Magic the Gathering

[sudden lava]

in terms of blurb

Like wow the green deck ramps?

[lusty trench]

£100 preorder inbound

wait... What the fuck do you mean lost caverns of ixalan was over a year ago

[glad peak]

The inevitable march of time

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/0OIBHO1V4zo?si=mBpNWdRQ5voM8jcI

Speaking of Roots

[sudden lava]

oh the blurbs reveal the secondary commander

Hit Hard and Hit Often! Join the Jeskai spirit dragon, Shiko, and former planeswalker Narset and the Jeskai clan to cast extra spells and flurry spell effects with this Blue-Red-White Commander deck.

Let Your Shield Be Your Sword! Ally with the Abzan clan to play defenders and turn toughness into power with this White-Black-Green Commander deck. Command your army with Abzan’s Mythic Spirit Dragon, Betor, or Felothar, khan of the Abzan clan

Grow From Beyond! Ally with the Sultai to fill your graveyard and return with zombie druids with this Black-Green-Blue Commander deck. Command your army with the Mythic Spirit Dragon, Teval, or Kotis, leader of the Sultai clan

Strike While the Iron is Hot! Ally with the Mardu clan to make attacker tokens and sacrifice them for value with this Red-White-Black Commander deck. Command your army with the Mythic Spirit Dragon, Neriv, or Zurgo, leader of the new Mardu

Harness the Fury of Dragons! Join the Temur clan to ramp mana and summon dragons with this Green-Blue-Red Commander deck. Command your army with Ureni, spirit dragon of wisdom, or Eshki, leader of the Temur clan

[rigid scarab]

After thinking about it

I dont think the "My broken deck is technically a 1 lmao get owned" argument is very good actually

[glad peak]

obviously it isn't but it's funny and you still have to deal with rule 0 which people already are sour on

[sudden lava]

so I wonder when the magiccon reveals will be uploaded on their twitter

[rigid scarab]

Basically just take your deck to where you think it's appropriate

And if you've been playing for a while that should be pretty easy

[glad peak]

exactly, that's the thing that people don't like as is

[rigid scarab]

If you bring a low bracket deck you know for a fact is waaaaay stronger than where it technically belongs to a low bracket game

That isn't on the bracket my guy

That's on you

[glad peak]

which was the point of creating the brackets until they fumbled it that much

[rigid scarab]

I see the point of it being

Less so strict rules that everyone needs to follow

But recommendations for newer less franchised players

[glad peak]

also people taking brackets as gospel are the reason why people are going so far to find counterpoints, same reason why people didn't want to follow the 1-10 system and just wanted to play whatever

the big problem with just taking a deck to where you think it belongs is that there will always be other people who always think you're trying to screw them over for no reason which is why the power level system was made in the first place

[zinc shard]

[[Taigam, Ojutai Master]]

Found a commander I wanna build, but don't wanna play Approach. Thinking of doing a token beat down strategy, playing the creatures that make tokens when you cast instant/sorrceries

[lost widget]

No card found for “Taigam, Ojutais Hand”

[zinc shard]

[[Taigam, Ojutai Master]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/46/taigam-ojutai-master

Taigam, Ojutai Master <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Instant, sorcery, and Dragon spells you control can't be countered.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand, if Taigam attacked this turn, that spell gains rebound. (Exile the spell as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast that card from exile without paying its mana cost.)
3/4

[glad peak]

The classic way to build this is turn chaining with uncounterable stuff mixed with control

[zinc shard]

I'm in a league that discourages multiple extra turns so looking for another way to build it

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1342598681257312286/IMG_5332.jpg?ex=67ba37f5&is=67b8e675&hm=c3ab4ba0d42f18775111e582b4605c9a6fc19569f3c5af369007a967d356587e&=&format=webp&width=1029&height=579

welcome back siege rhino

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkVsIj1WAAADlpu?format=jpg&name=large

new keyword btw, behold

[last glen]

They've used this language before

Looks like they're codifying it into a keyword

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1342601266638884937/bafkreicwipi6qe3xpqq6pnorc7viumius3it3xjvuznzn3hnyexee474pu.jpg?ex=67ba3a5e&is=67b8e8de&hm=2cafec60382d4822daf417251a13a2c874da54b425db86c51167f4c6133ffc79&=&format=webp&width=1029&height=579

"Alesha lives on in the hearts and minds of the Mardu."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkVx9GOXcAAArAF?format=jpg&name=large

prerelease is getting themed kits?

[past socket]

How big a thing is Aristocrats in the grand scheme of Mardu, had a friend not react to well to the Mardu precon being Aristocrats

[twilit canyon]

basically always

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkV1U-oWAAAcSr-?format=jpg&name=large

[past socket]

Now that’s a big buggo

[sudden lava]

none of this is sparking joy

[glad peak]

since back when mardu started being a playable deck it's been aristocrats

[sudden lava]

HOLY FINALLY SUBSTANCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxQiMLeyhKM&ab_channel=Magic%3ATheGathering

[glad peak]

all i see is a fx demonstration with nothing else lol

[sudden lava]

they showed 2 mid looking sets and then bam the hype. ATLA is an insane set to announce

[golden plover]

Honestly Tarkir looks really exciting. The first set that's really felt thematically on point in a while

[past socket]

Also the dragons look so cool

[glad peak]

tarkir is always exciting

love the set

hopefully draft is good like the first time we were there

[past socket]

Sultai was part of my falling in love with the game at least given Mothman

[glad peak]

shiko is pretty mid

very mid actually

maybe would've seen play in standard but who knows

[golden plover]

Shiko seems... Fine

Mox Jasper is kinda shit but it's neat

[glad peak]

mox is neat

now to see if there's incidentally a dragon we can use to turn it on very consistently

[fallow citrus]

is there any small dragon to use

or are they all high mana

[past socket]

Very pretty at the very least

But ig that’s a general thing about the Moxen

[glad peak]

huh, sidisi looks weird

[golden plover]

There's [[Shivan Devastator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/143/shivan-devastator

Shivan Devastator <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon Hydra
Flying, haste
This creature enters with X +1/+1 counters on it.
There were many reasons why Shiv was not high on Sheoldred's list of places to conquer: big, fiery reasons.
0/0

[trail anvil]

that really just is sidisi

[golden plover]

But you're best off just using a random ass changeling 1 drop

[trail anvil]

gives an extra land but doesn't trigger on etb

[golden plover]

Still not great tho

The Siege cycle should be cool

[glad peak]

new siege cycle pogchamp

[zinc shard]

Can't wait for Seth's 40 rhinos deck

[past socket]

The art on Barrensteppe Siege damn

Guessing Zurgo’s the guy on the Mardu precon

[golden plover]

Zurgo was the original Khan of Tarkir

But then he got reset with the rest of the timeline

And it kinda looks like they're undoing the reset

[zinc shard]

For the Mox you could play [[Universal Automation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/235/universal-automaton

Universal Automaton <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
"Within minutes, the strange device was indistinguishable from the other upon my workbench." —Tocasia, journal entry
1/1

[glad peak]

he was meant to be incompetent after the reset but i guess sarkhan stopped being petty

[golden plover]

Yeah guess so

[trail anvil]

I don't think you want to run this mox unless you're already in dragons

[glad peak]

so teval has a usage outside of sidisi's function

[trail anvil]

trying to cheese out a 0 mana rock by running worse cards ain't it

[glad peak]

teval lets you play a 4 horseman deck while running a piece to advance the board state in your command zone

[past socket]

Apparently also there’s gonna be 2 versions of the Clan Dragons?

[sudden lava]

Tarkir has me sleeping, sorry but its the truth

[glad peak]

yep, that's why i was looking for incidental dragons but not seeing anything universally usable

[trail anvil]

I feel like you'd need a good amount to justify this

[sudden lava]

I will still watch the reveals as closely as any other set, but damn is this line up of sets a combination of absolutely sleep and caffeine injected into my veins

[glad peak]

we have different priorities, Tarkir is a lot more interesting than the universes beyond stuff and therefore more exciting to me

[golden plover]

The only thing that looks bad on Tarkir rn is the Abzan armor

[sudden lava]

its not even UB vs non, spiderman is a mid set

[golden plover]

Everything else looks like actual classical MTG and looks really good

[glad peak]

also i'm more into draft and cube than most people here while being much more against commander lol

[golden plover]

Getting design consultants from the cultures it's based on helps a ton too

[trail anvil]

the abzan armor looks cool to me

[glad peak]

abzan armor looks like an interesting evolution of the scales

[past socket]

The big excite

[sudden lava]

Im just not interested in dragons or space, unless the space one just happens to give me what I need to make this one girl work as a typal deck

[fallow citrus]

whats abzan armor

[glad peak]

typal decks are so boring tho

the new abzan armor looks different from what abzan looked like in the past, they're meant to be dragon scales

[golden plover]

The Abzan armor is just a bit weird because I'm used to the dragon scale stuff

[past socket]

Big Arcades under threat

[sudden lava]

Its alien typal but with paradox trigger focus

to get more aliens

[glad peak]

it really looks like they figured out how to harness more of the dragon in their armor, i like it a lot

[sudden lava]

also new space mountains for the land base

[fallow citrus]

oh its a commander deck I thought it was a card

[past socket]

Just the Abzan precon ye

[trail anvil]

it will be a card

[glad peak]

suggests that the design of abzan is going to be different than before

but it might also just be that specific character

the commander decks having both a human leader (unclear if narset is clan leader) and a dragon leader is pretty cool

[golden plover]

It is weird Zurgo is the leader of Mardu again tho

[glad peak]

yeah but i think a lot of time past since dragons of tarkir so it might make sense

narset being the leader might be happening

and we already know what happened with anafenza

i think sidisi's dead?

[golden plover]

Also Edge of Eternities looks good? At least so far they didn't just show us random characters we knew in space

[golden plover]

Sidisi had an art revealed. She's undead

[glad peak]

and for the life of me i can't remember who the khan for temur was before the timeline reset

[golden plover]

Surrak

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778

[glad peak]

oh wait bear guy

it's probably his daughter or something who took over the clan

i wonder if anafenza's spirit and tasigur's bodies are used somewhere in the new clan leaders though

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1342627120874127411/image.png?ex=67ba5272&is=67b900f2&hm=5bea465ebe2b0387e91ce7ad8897e5773b918af888c41707ced20ed7d6deca9b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1342627203950579783/image.png?ex=67ba5286&is=67b90106&hm=2469f5334692cd733100776bf2bcac9a0f031baa12e8e2018c18224c0207e603&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1342627349132214282/image.png?ex=67ba52a8&is=67b90128&hm=b7c6dadbe7763814e7ced902a8aa022d383ac7ba26e718ddeabd5e9d72750821&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

perfection

[golden plover]

Ooof that art looks... Uncanny

[ornate cedar]

AVATAR AS MAGIC

I will get this for sure. I like FF, but I LOVE Avatar

[sudden lava]

one of two sets that actually excite me of what we have left of the year

[golden plover]

I kinda hope it's just those two cards that look bad but trying to blend the MTG art with the Avatar art looks BAD Jesus

[sudden lava]

and they said it comes out in November 21st

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1342610699309940826/tempFileForShare_20250221-163456.png?ex=67ba4327&is=67b8f1a7&hm=eee918e2e471a1efd078ef8ce82756e535fa9a3a34c3b17f005a8eafc061c186&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=513&height=579

[zinc shard]

Dont think this got posted

[stark skiff]

LETS GO AVATAR!

[twilit canyon]

wow thats ass

[sudden lava]

I really hope we get a cactus juice card

also a mono green cabbage merchant

[trail anvil]

that's hilarious to me

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-edge-of-eternities edge of eternities art looks insane so far

those new basic land arts go crazy hard

[past socket]

[hidden ermine]

... wait why is MTG in space now

[past socket]

Can we get more Heliod type art from this

[fallow citrus]

tezzers really moved up in the world from just being "master of the bridge"

[[tezzeret master of the bridge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/275/tezzeret-master-of-the-bridge

Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tezzeret
Creature and planeswalker spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost less to cast for each artifact you control.)
+2: Tezzeret deals X damage to each opponent, where X is the number of artifacts you control. You gain X life.
−3: Return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
−8: Exile the top ten cards of your library. Put all artifact cards from among them onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 5

[fallow citrus]

bro's master of the star now

[golden plover]

Oh did they finally decide Tezzeret is white?

[copper pecan]

wow they were not lying in the title of the set

[copper pecan]

no, the other art of his card makes him look way less white than this

[twilit canyon]

blind eternities is finally being explored more properly. nothing deep from what we know, but we know there are multiple planes that have always been able to cross the blind eternities/had planet-cross capabilities

oops did i leave ping?

w/e

[hidden ermine]

You did, but its whatever

Also, hm

Feels odd, but I do like space themes

[stark skiff]

Because MtG is just going through all the tropes: murder mystery, cowboys, racing, now space.

[rigid scarab]

Everyone, peak is back

[glad peak]

Damn, pioneer isn’t that old, right?

[golden plover]

Lmao they have no clue what race Tezzeret is supposed to be still

[last glen]

new lore
he appears as whatever race he wants to at the time

[golden plover]

True

[copper pecan]

we need tezzeret to fight kellan for the title of most inconsistently drawn character

[golden plover]

Honestly

I think Tezzeret is worse ngl

Because he swaps races back and forth in the same set

[zinc shard]

7-1

[golden plover]

Like how are these the same guy

Older black guy here

Seattle hipster here

We'll just split the difference. Tezzeret is Italian now

[sleek ferry]

Javi took Golgari Obliterator to Chicago lol @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

ik lmao

mfer lol

its not even bad cus of the scope of the meta at chicago

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but if you saw his draft round he kinda fumbled there

[twilit canyon]

draft can be rough

some top tier drafters showed up

doesnt help

[sleek ferry]

David Frischer is having an insane run so far

He beat some top tier players on his way to an undefeated day

[twilit canyon]

i heard but didnt see the run

[past socket]

I have just fallen in love with boulder deckboxes

[gritty nest]

So like, how good is this?

[twilit canyon]

pretty garbage

[past socket]

???

[twilit canyon]

why are u confused

what 0 mana dragons/changelings u got in standard rn?

or in commander?

[[mox amber]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/224/mox-amber

Mox Amber <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Legendary Artifact
: Add one mana of any color among legendary creatures and planeswalkers you control.
A moment in time made tangible, it has the power to realize epic visions.

[past socket]

Oh I didn’t see the Concordia message, Discord’s being a little fucky for me atm

[twilit canyon]

this card is nearly unplayable in 60 card formats

and its way less restrictive than the new mox

[gritty nest]

I like them but I have one issue with them

I can’t really use double sleeved decks

I can see the mox in commander just for that bit of extra mana

But other than that nothing else

[twilit canyon]

its not good

dont bother unless you are super heavy into dragons/changelings and at that point, u have stronger options

[gritty nest]

I mean, let’s say I’m playing ur dragon

Besides telling me to use someone else

What’s better?

[twilit canyon]

mox opal, chrome mox, mox amber, lotus petal, mox diamond, sol ring, talismans, signets

you are wubrg, so you also have:

[gritty nest]

Let’s see

[twilit canyon]

drs, bop, delightful halfling, noble/ignoble hierarch, fyndhorn/llanowar, arbor, boreal druid even

[gritty nest]

$60
$50
$40
$20 (one time)
$500
Duh
Duh
Duh

[twilit canyon]

price isnt a factor here

if you add budget to the mix (of an unreleased mythic at that), then we can rule out infinite number of cards

[gritty nest]

All I have to say is it sounds like

You’re getting super pressed

About a meh mox that can really only be used in tribal

[twilit canyon]

?

[gritty nest]

You sound so…passionate? I think would be the best term

About this mox

[twilit canyon]

im not lol

i just call detritus where i see it

[gritty nest]

All I really care for is using it in commander

Because ur-dragon

It’s a free 1 mana if I have a dragon

[copper pecan]

i feel like i'd rather just run another land than run mox jasper

[twilit canyon]

yeah but thats still quite a condition when u could have had another ramp card to get to that dragon faster

[copper pecan]

most dragons cost a lot of mana

you need the ramp before you get the dragons, not after

[twilit canyon]

math does not tilt favorably if adding in the cheapest changelings available

cus they arent like magda

where they become the mana with your 2 mana commander

[gritty nest]

I’m not really expecting good from a 9 mana 5 color commander who’s only gimmick is shit reduction

[twilit canyon]

you need the 1 of mox + a super cheap dragon + it need to not be removed all to do what a talisman does

well if you dont care about good and just wanted a thematic card for your dragon deck its fine?

theres way more playable cards you can include

but if theme is what you are going for sure ig

[gritty nest]

Also there’s technically a shit ton of MV 3 or less dragons

More if we say 4 is the peak

[twilit canyon]

thats still 2 cards and 4 mana for +1 mana

[gritty nest]

And 1 step closer to casting an ur-dragon

[past socket]

Honestly as funny as whipping out Ur-Dragon is, I’d rather play Miirym if I wanted my Dragon Commander out there even if it isn’t WUBRG like Ur-Dragon

[copper pecan]

i really like ur dragon but i agree that miirym is probably better

[past socket]

Love Miirym’s copying

Even if it’s just the Temur selection of Dragons

[trail anvil]

lmao are they telling me to kill myself

[urban crane]

Honestly really of you think about that is more than good enough with what’s available in temur dragon wise

[past socket]

Like the Red Dragon pool alone, Blue’s selection of copy stuff, Green beinf green in the ramp department and Old Gnawbone (my beloved)

[glad peak]

You realistically only need red and green, the blue protection is nice nice though

[past socket]

Even Izzet Dragon can be a bit of a thing given stuff like Firkraag or Sivitri

Firkraag especially if you like your shenanigans with Goad

Red is really the big lynchpin

But yeah White and Black especially are just gravy in regards to the WUBRG Dragon options like Ur-Dragon or Tiamat

[gritty nest]

Trust me, I know ur-dragon isn’t good. Running Tiamat or Scion would be better, but I have reasons for choosing ur-dragon

[urban crane]

I wouldn’t say ur dragon is bad

[glad peak]

Ur dragon’s pretty bad at higher level but yeah everywhere else it’s fine

Scion is probably better at a higher level

[[Tiamat]] isn’t one I’ve seen in a while

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/235/tiamat

Tiamat <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon God
Flying
When Tiamat enters, if you cast it, search your library for up to five Dragon cards not named Tiamat that each have different names, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"My children will rule over all!"
7/7

[lusty trench]

Ur dragon has the eminence issue where sitting down with it signals you as the threat otherwise you can just amass fliers in casual games

[glad peak]

That’s just dragons in general tbh they’re super swingy

[lusty trench]

Yeah Ur dragon gets a bit more heat in my experience due to the reduction

[gritty nest]

The funniest thing is it’s not the best eminence ability

Also

Got this today

[sudden lava]

puppy

[gritty nest]

Ye

[sudden lava]

also means you got another copy of 1 of the best sol ring arts 😄

10/10

[gritty nest]

It’s alright

i love this art personally

[past socket]

Eyyy the good boye

[gritty nest]

I have it in foods because it felt very thematic for Sam and Frodo

[sleek ferry]

All this talk about ur dragon, but what about my dragon

[past socket]

They say what about my dragon but never how about my dragon

[sleek ferry]

I have 1 dragon edh deck, and it’s for casual and it’s arguably my favorite commander deck I own, even moreso than my cedh decks

It’s gruul

[past socket]

Oh Klauth?

[sleek ferry]

Damn, how’d you know

[past socket]

Such a mystery. Izzet Dragon can be pretty fun too be it Firkraag or Sivitri

[fallow citrus]

this get posted yet?

[golden plover]

Wow this is...

[fallow citrus]

an abzan card

maybe the abzan card

[golden plover]

Literally the most Abzan card

[lusty trench]

More like Bator abzans voice amirightoramiright

[gritty nest]

it said it was abzanin' time, then proceeded to abzan everywhere

[golden plover]

@glad peak according to MaRo... There's no Dragonlords in the set

The wrapped up the Khans v Dragons conflict offscreen

Wait then why is Dragonhawk a Kolgahan brood?

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/saffronolive/status/1893447346660290682?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive) on X

Zevin Faust locks in a top eight a Pro Tour Aetherdrift in his first Pro Tour which he qualified for by playing his first RC with Golgari Beanstalk. Pretty sweet.

X · Feb 22, 2025, 11:46 PM

[gritty nest]

what basics should I get for [[!rhys the redeemed]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/213/rhys-the-redeemed

Rhys the Redeemed

[sudden lava]

oh?!

we have it now?

[gritty nest]

?

[sudden lava]

the Betor

[sleek ferry]

Top 8 for Chicago

[twilit canyon]

zevin 👀

[urban crane]

I just hope we see the remaining dragon commanders quickly

[sleek ferry]

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

Domain up vs mono red

[twilit canyon]

did domain survive

[sleek ferry]

Yep. Mice vs domain right now in semis

Both domains in quarters survived vs mono red and jeskai oculus

Won vs mono red in 4

Jeskai in 5

[twilit canyon]

sick

[sleek ferry]

The mono red game was crazy because domain player got down to 6 in g4, and the mono red player literally had like 10 outs to just win

[twilit canyon]

i expect the next event to be even more varied with more than a week of practice

[sleek ferry]

But then he drew 4 straight lands

[twilit canyon]

thats the red life sometimes

esp in events have to play to outs

and variance can and will catch up

red mana base is also not super well built to grind in such a spot

[sleek ferry]

Im now realizing the power of maxing out on sunspine lynx in the side

[twilit canyon]

yeah lynx is a very good card in red rn

however good ppl see nemesis, lynx is stronger coming off the side

the card sees modern play occasionally

also i think red needed to incorporate a lot more speed into the mix

the speed lands are goated

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I like them a lot

I just always forget to fucking use them

[twilit canyon]

imagine if the red player had the loot land when they were flooding

[sleek ferry]

G1 won by domain

Mice player flooded

[twilit canyon]

as mice tend to do

if they dont hit their stride, they are so much worse than pure red

deck was only really popular cus new event and we had very little time to practice for it

aggro pilots are doing god's work for this event

[sleek ferry]

I assumed as much

Gruul mice and esper pixie felt like “safe” choices

[twilit canyon]

esper should have been dimir tbh

the white splash was so impulsive imo

ik it originally started esper

but dimir was way more proven

[sleek ferry]

G2 won by mice on t4

[twilit canyon]

the occasional upside of mice

a more consistent t4

which tbf, could have been checkmated by the domain player on curve with removal

[sleek ferry]

Guy put down double nemesis to play around lockdown

So unless he had ride’s end it was over

[twilit canyon]

tough

[sleek ferry]

Using monstrous rage on Mickey Mouse as a bolt lmao

[twilit canyon]

lol

world's worst bolt

[sleek ferry]

Sunspine lynx off the top, immediately met by the leyline binding

[twilit canyon]

oh so its over

[sleek ferry]

I think he has access to pop the leyline and get the lynx back

I think mice has this. Popped the leyline on the end of domain players turn, burned for 8, he’s down to 3 and he has rage in hand

Idk how domain survives this

Yeah mice won g3

[twilit canyon]

yoo

[sleek ferry]

I think domain player is cooked

[twilit canyon]

didnt come in ready to beat lynx?

[sleek ferry]

Nah hold up, mice player fucked up

He had lynx in hand and opted to go manifold + Mickey Mouse instead of going lynx to get him down to 3

[twilit canyon]

greed

it may still be enough

[sleek ferry]

We’re going to g5 I think

Fucked game state

Lynx is on top of Liu’s library

James top decked Zur

Gg

Wonder if we might see beanstalk eat it lol

[twilit canyon]

lol

nah idt so

but its very fucked how good zur is in the overlords

i think aggro finding success despite the high amount of anti-aggro cards is good

[sleek ferry]

Domain vs Domain in the other semis

Guaranteed domain mirror finals

[twilit canyon]

domain sweep

domain can always beat up on the aggro decks

just need a zur

[sleek ferry]

Getting ride’s end really helped imo

[twilit canyon]

its basically a better elspeth's smite for the deck in some ways

[fallow citrus]

what in the fuck
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1iwjewt/last_commander_standing_tiebreaker_rules_created/

[twilit canyon]

this is an immediate dq what lol

[fallow citrus]

yeah seemingly not

or this guy has just made up a story

[twilit canyon]

gotta be bs

[fallow citrus]

I woulda thought so

has insane "and then everyone clapped" energy

[past socket]

Yeah this feels Karma farmy as fuck

[glad peak]

Yeah that’s just a DQ, even in casual shop events

[fallow citrus]

oh big news too

one of my friends says a local they go to is starting pauper events

so I finally have a good magic event to go to for once

[glad peak]

I know in one of my lgs events the owner let us go through with it because the person who said it meant something completely different but said it like that lmao

My friend really said we colluded to split in the final round and both me and the shop owner looked at him weird

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[golden plover]

Honestly I'd be cool with Zur eating it too

I want This Town to die, but I think Zur is kinda too much

[fallow citrus]

probably going to play affinity like a degen

[glad peak]

Nice, very fun deck

Even if they banned the reason why I liked the deck

[gritty nest]

i'm debating on upgrading Dogmeat or not, the deck is fun as hell

[urban crane]

You can always just do better aura and equipment

[past socket]

Reminds me to look into the Science! cards for Satya

Creative Energy was an absolute blast

[urban crane]

Could also upgrade mana/landbase

[gritty nest]

decks already pretty decent, and upgrading it will just make it way stronger

[golden plover]

Wait Beanstalk doesn't rotate until 2027??? No shot that shit isn't banned soon

I think the standard banlist from here should be this town, beanstalk, and maybe Zur or monstrous rage?

But yeah, Beanstalk just gets better every set with stuff like [[Rides End]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/25/rides-end

Ride's End <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a tapped permanent.
Exile target creature or Vehicle.
Their race ended much the same way it began, walking through a sandstorm on a world that ended long ago.

[twilit canyon]

way too early for a list

no need to ban anything rn

[golden plover]

I dunno, Beans has been a standard issue forever and so has this town

I think the two going next list would be for the best

[twilit canyon]

its not an issue

[gritty nest]

Up the Beanstalk?

[twilit canyon]

its a viable deck

doesnt mean its an issue

[sleek ferry]

I do agree that beanstalk has only gotten better though. And for domain to do so well when over 100 of the decks in the PT were aggro decks is a bit concerning

[twilit canyon]

domain isnt weak to aggro truly

[sleek ferry]

Also, it’s not as if domain just topped, out of the 50+ people that took domain, the deck managed a 56% win rate throughout the 3 days

[twilit canyon]

and any deck can destroy aggro

[sleek ferry]

That’s alarming

[golden plover]

I think the issue with Beanstalk is that it gives you an obscene amount of value for just playing the game

[twilit canyon]

they gave us a ton of anti-aggro tools in this format

[golden plover]

Because all your shit costs less than 5 realistically

This town and Rides End are both 2 mana cards

And The Overlords are 3-4

And the overlords are all cards that come with value of their own

[twilit canyon]

we have [[authority of the consuls]] in the meta rn

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/137/authority-of-the-consuls

Authority of the Consuls <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls enters, you gain 1 life.
Citizens are free to do as they wish, within the confines of the Consulate's laws.

[twilit canyon]

if someone wants aggro to lose, aggro will lose

[golden plover]

So beanstalk stapliing a draw onto all this value stuff is kinda not ideal

Also, Authority is nice, but it's not enough all the time

I'm still finding myself siding in authority AND Elspeth's Smite/Split Up only because aggro has a ton of good tools

[twilit canyon]

well yes but its a tool here for 5 years

the good aggro cards wont be there for that long

we have great anti-aggro and aggro still has game vs the format

aggro is so strong and yet the format still has game against it

this is good

idt beans is a problem in standard atm and i think that the deck managed to do well in a combination of good pilots and it being a strong call into the pt meta rn since we had very very little testing for new stuff

aggro and domain were especially nice as a result

[golden plover]

The good aggro cards don't rotate until 2028

[twilit canyon]

and 2 years after that, we still have consuls

[golden plover]

They lose Swiftspear and Rage before then

But 3 years of aggro being REALLY good is a LONG time in standard

[twilit canyon]

and yet its super beatable

so whats the problem

same with domain

its very good

and very beatable

[golden plover]

I mean they're good, but Domain is kinda overbearing and really unfun to play/play against

Aggro feels like a coin toss on whether it can just run you over t3 or not too

I think a small hit to aggro (rage or the mouse) and hitting beanstalk opens the format up a lot more

[twilit canyon]

it cant consistently t3 you unless you are bad

[golden plover]

I mean sometimes you just don't open the answers

I've been trying a lot of stuff in mythic

[twilit canyon]

sure but this also nukes the format into a new era and this is something they have not wanted to do thats the whole point of extending the format to run so long as it is rn

[golden plover]

And no matter what I'm trying, sometimes aggro just games you before you see shit

[twilit canyon]

like the new point in standard is that its actually stable for a longer time

[golden plover]

I dunno, I think it'll get real stale if aggro and domain are the same decks to beat until 2027 at the earliest

[twilit canyon]

if what you are trying isnt tooled to beat aggro it should be tooled to beat domain or other midrange/long decks

with sb tools to beat aggro

we have plenty

[golden plover]

I've been boarding for matchups. I just think the format feels a bit stale rn and a shakeup would be nice

[twilit canyon]

they made alchemy for this

[golden plover]

And no way Beanstalk doesn't stay good until 2027/ only get more new tools

[twilit canyon]

beanstalk domain is very beatable

idt its even that overbearing it is very safe though

[golden plover]

Yeah but the issue is that beanstalk as a card is kind inherently not great design

[twilit canyon]

super easy to hit a good stride with the deck

[golden plover]

And it only gets better the more cards are in the format

There's a reason it's banned in modern, and if theyre gonna keep printing 5+ mana cards with big discounts for the next 2 years, it likely will need the standard ban too

[twilit canyon]

yeah it was banned in modern cus we have solitude (and fury at the time)

like yeah

those are actually 0 mana

[golden plover]

I don't think we need an emergency ban in standard rn

But I think beanstalks inherently limits what cards can go into the format

[twilit canyon]

idt we need any bans at all unless the meta becomes only domain

[golden plover]

I still think This Town has bad play patterns too

[gritty nest]

whats the oldest set legal in standard rn?

[golden plover]

It's probably the most ban deserving card rn

[twilit canyon]

not at all

[golden plover]

But I think beanstalk is an issue in the long run too

[twilit canyon]

banning this town is banning interaction and thats

yeah bad

[gritty nest]

interaction is key in magic and part of the game

[twilit canyon]

all is one p sure

phyrexia

oh wait

[gritty nest]

i remember someone saying counterspells should be banned in commander because it defeats the point of commander

[twilit canyon]

its dominaria united

[gritty nest]

DMU??

damn

[twilit canyon]

yep

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1893767801933898159

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic) on X

The Showcase stage lets fans experience more Magic gameplay than ever before at #MCChicago.

Turns out it also showcases the coolest hair in Magic.

X · Feb 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

wait they got Kyle Hill at Magiccon Chicago?

[gritty nest]

i need that hair

seriously though

sorry btw for the pressed comment the other day Misty

[twilit canyon]

idc about that dw

[sleek ferry]

Word, fuck Misty

Dw about that

[twilit canyon]

please, my so is monogamous. i cant

[gritty nest]

LMAO

[trail anvil]

major respect to this person sitting through craterhoof +254 power, nykthos +254 devotion and reaching the power cap on my creatures with counters

I had to give them the win cause so few people do that nowadays

[past socket]

Loud Lumra right there

[trail anvil]

lumra is the best brawl deck I have and I've just been stuck on it. beat out a no-wincon narset player cause I could just drop a game-ending beater every turn then finish them off with land creatures

[subtle sierra]

Meanwhile the first time i tried anything but standard in mtga, they did some infinite loop that crashed my pc

I'm not touching non standard

[past socket]

Timeless from what I’ve seen just seems like war crime central

[trail anvil]

lol this combo might've crashed some PCs but infinite combos are pretty rare

timeless is an ultra efficient format more than anything, but it definitely has warcrimes

[golden plover]

Hmm.... I'm really hoping Tarkir gives us a 3 mana "Destroy all enchantmnents" at this point

[gritty nest]

4 mana instant

[glad peak]

They should’ve printed that spooky white card that destroys all enchantments for free

[golden plover]

Actually could reprint [[Back to Nature]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m15/169/back-to-nature

Back to Nature <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Destroy all enchantments.
There will always be those who presume to improve nature, or dare to befoul it. And nature will always have a response.

[copper pecan]

iirc they consider back to nature a mistake

it made enchantment decks completely unplayable

and is a big part of why they don't do strong archetype hosers anymore

[golden plover]

Yeah, I guess 3 mana would be a better solution

There's too many good enchants rn

[zinc shard]

make it 5+ mana, similar to oher board wipes

[golden plover]

Nah, 5+ is unplayable

The enchant decks would be super online by then

Unless it's 5+ and "destroy all creatures and enchantments"

[zinc shard]

Its also an Instant

[golden plover]

2 mana at sorcery speed would be fine

3 mana at instant would also be fine

[trail anvil]

do we not have any mass enchantment removal in standard rn at all

[trail anvil]

we do, [[fade from history]] exists alongside cease//desist

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/177/fade-from-history

Fade from History <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Each player who controls an artifact or enchantment creates a 2/2 green Bear creature token. Then destroy all artifacts and enchantments.
After a long hibernation, Argoth began slowly recovering from the ravages of war.

[golden plover]

Fade does see a bit of sideboard play but the double green pip kills it

And Cease//Desist costs a lot

[golden plover]

Wow.. they really tuned down the Sultai

@glad peak this is hardly the same faction

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/planeswalkers-guide-to-tarkir-dragonstorm-part-2

Yeah the undead are honored now instead of being servants. And they're traders. Weird

I get why they changed the Sultai but they feel really different

[glad peak]

Wtf what happened to them

What happened to my edgy evil clan for evils sake

Why did they take the gimmick of the abzan

[golden plover]

They don't want to have a clan that's pro-slavery anymore

So they got completely reworked

I would've liked to see a bit more of "well we had to change how we approached the undead during the war and maybe we're gonna stop doing the slavery stuff" but it was two years in universe and feels weird to go from "oops zombie slaves doing all the labor" to "actually the zombies are the revered clan leaders now"

[glad peak]

I guess that’s true but would that mean they’re going to change the Orzhov completely later down the line?

[golden plover]

I'm wondering the same thing myself. Because we're 2/3 on that change happening to clans that use undead labor now

[glad peak]

Would’ve worked if they said “we learned that working with the undead rather than forcing them to do our bidding is more beneficial to our goals”

[golden plover]

I get that having slavery in the card game is... Not ideal

[glad peak]

Works with blue and black

[golden plover]

But like, there's better ways to handle this change than having it be in the two years of wartime going from "guys zombie slaves are cool" to "actually zombies are only available for the highly respected leaders and we're farmers now"

Maybe if it had been like 100 years, but it's been 2 and I feel like they wouldn't fully flip their opinion on zombies in 2 years

Honestly the more we see about this set, the more I feel like it should've been Khans united vs Dragonlords instead of having the rebellion happen off screen two years ago

[golden plover]

Honestly I do like new Sultai tho. Should've been a bigger timeskip is all

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyg9L6eS53M

[trail anvil]

I don't think we have any word on support skyforge's spellbook yet, but I imagine it's full of vehicles

[twilit canyon]

5 mana for 8/8 worth of stats across 4 bodies and a vehicle and it draws a creature on attack is crazy value

[sleek ferry]

isn't that saga crazy value in that orzhov 2cmc deck that's running around?

[twilit canyon]

ye

but its honestly a little tame

[past socket]

til Monty Python Secret Lair was a thing

[copper pecan]

the saga seems pretty great imo

[zinc shard]

Trying to make decks for standard, thoughts on this? still need to fine tune the mana base

Basically just an enchantments matters deck

[sleek ferry]

I’m going to make selesnya cats as my next project

Surely I can have white carry this deck with 12 removal spells and 4 board wipes

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/millthat/status/1894074107102105761?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Shaf A.K.A. ThatMillGuy (@MillThat) on X

Is this what good deckbuilding looks like?

X · Feb 24, 2025, 5:17 PM

Affinity be like:

[twilit canyon]

affinity players have more self-respect than-

okay

i cant say that

[zinc shard]

Commander league Im part of has Flash, Primeval Titan, and Lutri unbanned. Trying to find a deck that can use all 3 for the lols

[golden plover]

4 and 5 should be swapped tbh

Kaiba is absolutely a pub stomping 4 and not 5

[twilit canyon]

as opposed to heart of the cards jank deck yugi

[golden plover]

Yeah but Yugi played "strategies"

[twilit canyon]

idr enough about the original series

but i thought kaiba did too

or more

but was just not as lucky

[pulsar talon]

I think kaiba in 5 makes sense

He's the "sweat" of the group

[past socket]

Nearly kill himself over a card game level

[zinc shard]

They said the difference between 4 and 5 is a mindset mostly

[pulsar talon]

Dude was literally doing dimesion fusion combos with stuff like ced and xyz

Not even mentioning dsod

[zinc shard]

4 is building the best deck you can, but still sticking to a theme. 5 is "I'm only going to play the best cards and im going to curbstomp you"

[past socket]

Reminds me of the dude that faced D in that pro duel with the DFissure, Graceful Charity Dimension Fusion Combo

Making a Valkyria Lock, Cosmic Queen and Ebon Magician Curran

[pulsar talon]

tbf it was more than that but everyone knows the details, so an explanation isnt necessary

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1343792074197041162/IMG_4194.png?ex=67be8f64&is=67bd3de4&hm=02c137ee653ffafeebf5dadf9f490eb8095ef0d2fbd4911858a456f09ec4bef4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=473&height=663

@golden plover new elsha just dropped

[glad peak]

huh interesting

army in a can but only if you can pump it up

but requires a combat step which suggests a need for stax, which is against what the commander wants

[sleek ferry]

She should have had a way to put +1/+1 counters

On herself

[glad peak]

Nah this makes sense for jeskai

[golden plover]

She's neat but I can't see myself replacing regular Elsha with her

[stark skiff]

Oh it all makes sense now

[golden plover]

Might build non-cedh Elsha and put all the cards I cut from old Elsha in there

[clever sun]

I was hoping for haste this is tragic

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QzzT79v3E&ab_channel=TaunaMTG

the other leaked commander

[gritty nest]

ran into a turbo sweat on friday

won on turn 5 with an exsanguinate for 40

[glad peak]

turbo sweat
exsanguinate
Choose one

Nah it depends on the rest of the table lol

[gritty nest]

temmet precon

$100 budget deck

another kinda meh deck

vs t5 infinite

[glad peak]

[[temme]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “temme”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

[[temmet]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “temmet”, can you be more specific?

[glad peak]

ah screw it i'll look on scryfall lol

what was the t5 infinite deck? very likely a fluke

[gritty nest]

zaxara

[[zaxara, the exemplary]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/176/zaxara-the-exemplary

Zaxara, the Exemplary <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Nightmare Hydra
Deathtouch
: Add two mana of any one color.
Whenever you cast a spell with in its mana cost, create a 0/0 green Hydra creature token, then put X +1/+1 counters on it.
2/3

[gritty nest]

aetherdrift zombie precon

[glad peak]

That’s just a high roll lmao

[gritty nest]

it was t3 cradle into t4 ramp into t5 nyxthos, x = 17 finale of revelation, with more untap abilities to exsanguinate

and no, found out the dude just always plays this high power shit

one of the people he normally plays with is co-owner of the LGS

one had an urtet deck that kills on t5-6 and they said it was too slow

[golden plover]

Proxies came in so now I'm ready for cedh this weekend

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1344087512293052527/image-151.png?ex=67bfa28a&is=67be510a&hm=d4f442176db884221f845922fe8ee6ecb602bcc4839ac91f29b31744f1170eb4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=665&height=386

[past socket]

Ooze friend!

[trail anvil]

that x less to cast text goes hardest

mini ghalta that floats

[copper pecan]

yeah this card is probably good

[golden plover]

Huh, MH3 made this one paper printable I know about the niche hand and reanimator interactions

If it made tokens of the slime instead it would've been paper printable with the new tech

We love turn 2 tivit

[sleek ferry]

This is a mulligan

[golden plover]

Nah that's an insane keep

T1 Gravecrawler, T2 Hashaton, LED, into Tivit

[sleek ferry]

Nah. You got t2 tivit and not much else. Let’s set up a hypothetical pod for you, let’s say you’re in seat 3

Seat 1 is Malcolm/tymna

[golden plover]

Yeah you are down an entire hand true

[sleek ferry]

Seat 2 is rog sai

[golden plover]

Hmm

[sleek ferry]

Seat 4 is Magda

[golden plover]

Yeah, might not be a keep then

T2 Tivit is cute tho

[trail anvil]

I feel like mh2 with garth one-eye made this printable already

[golden plover]

Yeah but it wasn't coded into rules into mh3

[trail anvil]

I'm no good at ratios, but this monoblack artifact deck actually feels pretty nice for mwm

[sleek ferry]

[[etched familiar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/101/etched-familiar

Etched Familiar <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Fox
When this creature dies, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
"No refunds." —Chammi, curio vendor
3/2

[sleek ferry]

No idea what it’s supposed to do

[copper pecan]

i saw someone play a pretty strong looking orzhov deck with pactdoll terror

there are a bunch of white cards that make artifact tokens

[trail anvil]

makes sense with all the sac effects ig

[trail anvil]

familiar or the deck in general? familiar is in there to put pressure on the opponent mostly because poison is running rampant besides monored in this queue

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/io3s6_AaikiF-rl9zzoEMg What could I cut for Marit Lages Slumber and Icebreaker kraken? i was thinking Oracle of Mul Daya and Kiora planeswalker maybe

[glad peak]

I might just make the ketramose deck, card’s cool

But the more I look at it the more I see issues like why this instead of zur

[gritty nest]

zur the enchanter or eternal schemer?

[glad peak]

Enchanter

[gritty nest]

ah okay

[sleek ferry]

Pulled this baby back out because I’m tired of vsing raise the past decks

[past socket]

“Raise deez nuts” if you will

[gritty nest]

I was told azusa, explore and burgeoning should be game changers

[trail anvil]

[gritty nest]

“Because playing 2 lands a turn is a game changer”

[trail anvil]

I guess the entire color of green is a game changer then

[clever sun]

Green is banned

As are all lands

[past socket]

The Motherlode time

[urban crane]

Imagine playing green couldn’t be me yet

[trail anvil]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/celebrate-your-local-game-stores-community-at-magic-presents-pride

[sudden lava]

a bit early, but so gonna be there

[sudden lava]

Gonna bring my fox voltron deck

[zinc shard]

Oh snap, gotta make a deck

Nicol Bolas and Elesh Norn would be funny

[past socket]

Ultimate politics deck it sounds like. mostly due to being reminded of Rebell’s Nicol Bolas deck

[twilit canyon]

still dont know if they are shit or not

sometimes yes sometimes now

*no

[gritty nest]

https://archidekt.com/decks/11621413/muldrotha_umori_shenanigans I need to cut 10 cards. Anyone mind giving me their thoughts on it please?

[haughty otter]

But I thought Enthralling Victor is not werewolf

[urban crane]

Some stuff I acquired

[gritty nest]

sick

[gritty nest]

which art of [[Sovereign Okinec Ahau]] should I pick up?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/240/sovereign-okinec-ahau

Sovereign Okinec Ahau <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Noble
Ward
Whenever Sovereign Okinec Ahau attacks, for each creature you control with power greater than that creature's base power, put a number of +1/+1 counters on that creature equal to the difference.
As surface empires send their explorers down, his hungry eyes look upward.
3/4

[glad peak]

Full art

[gritty nest]

thank

[zinc shard]

This could've been a real card

[trail anvil]

yeah shame, but wow that's a lot of value

[lusty trench]

I feel bad for Raymond man his artstyle is the exact type that got ripped for AI models to train on

Namely the lighting

[trail anvil]

yeah no kidding

[past socket]

Bloomburrow Treasure token my beloved

[trail anvil]

you think they made this digital only because they were scared of the strength and wanted to test it out in an environment where they could nerf it?

or maybe cause it takes so many tokens that they thought it was annoying to play on paper

[gritty nest]

Academy manufactor exists

[trail anvil]

hey that only creates 2 tokens at a time :^)

[sleek ferry]

Alright, cats are done (they’re mid)

Next standard deck to be made is Naya vehicles

[golden plover]

3 tokens for 2 is silly yeah

And not sure why it makes a food thematically

[last glen]

Girl's gotta eat

[golden plover]

But yeah, definitely justifying digital only design space with that one

[copper pecan]

if they want to do it in paper later then they can do it in paper later

[trail anvil]

yeah

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1344860071452086333/image.png?ex=67c2720b&is=67c1208b&hm=c3772e657685022f7485e05cb68df3cb4bcde497e2e78b498ba75759b840611a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=610&height=876

can't believe wotc would steal a design from hellscube

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1344860260208218153/Kari_Zev_Skyship_Raider.jpg?ex=67c27238&is=67c120b8&hm=63cb0ba2368916524c6a2c1fcae10541dd6ffbba00b56e517313fd6212765875&=&format=webp&width=579&height=929

probably a coincidence but still very wacky

[past socket]

So Arena has Ragavan’s master?

[copper pecan]

yea

[clever sun]

Always had her

Also can't believe it's "Crew of Two" and yet it crews for three

My immersion is ruined

[glad peak]

Kari zev isn’t an issue but what is that design lol

[trail anvil]

it was inevitable tbh

classic kari zev creates the ragavan token, so might as well do this alchemy design

[sudden lava]

just got back from giving my Neera deck a spin
didnt win first game (though held my own, wasnt first out)
Second game very chaotic, got third cuz I had to walk home and was nearly time to head out (But my last move was two instances of inevitable betrayal ^-^)

[gritty nest]

Neera?

[gritty nest]

Wait

How does she work

[sudden lava]

For the first spell you cast while she's out you either
A. Tuck it to bottom of deck (all "on cast" triggers go off) and reveal from top till you get any nonland card and you may cast that nonland card. Shuffle the ones you didnt cast and place on bottom of deck.
Or B. You dont do A, and you missed your shot at gambling until she gets blinked

at least for that turn

[gritty nest]

So does like

The first spell not resolve?

[sudden lava]

correct

[gritty nest]

That’s cringe

I want to cheat like a filthy green player

[sudden lava]

Oh you do get to cheat, you could cast an idk gutshot and then spit out an eldrazzi

because the one you get from deck is free

[gritty nest]

[[gutshot]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/117/gut-shot

Gut Shot <:manarp:292901509023137792>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Gut Shot deals 1 damage to any target.
"Down here, we have a more pointed version of the scriptures." —Urabrask's enforcer

[gritty nest]

but then I wont get to ping with gut shot

[sudden lava]

I dont have this, but you can use the top to even cheat at gambling

[gritty nest]

just put a beyblade on the table and say you got top

[sudden lava]

I use flbth lost on the range though :3 lets me look at the top at any time and plot non-lands

so during my turn I can plot something not useful at the moment, and at any other time I have a partial vision of my future gambles (only time I don't is when a land is on top and inside I go "Gee Flbth, that information isnt that helpful")

[gritty nest]

oh

[past socket]

Finally upgraded my Satya deck. Energy my beloved

[golden plover]

This deck is silly

Actually feels insane tho

[golden plover]

Love to outvalue overlord piles

[zinc shard]

Fun commander that also could have been a real card

[trail anvil]

honestly I think I would've loved this a lot more in commander

[trail anvil]

why ride's end?

[sleek ferry]

One of the more efficient removals

[trail anvil]

oof

[zinc shard]

All the alchemy cards are revealed btw, trying to find a source that has them all

[trail anvil]

I imagine the gallery? unless it hasn't updated yet

[trail anvil]

intensifies by x, where x is that creature's power
you what now

close enough, welcome back production surge @golden plover

[golden plover]

Ride's End is great at 2 mana as removal and 5 mana need be lategame. And with authority it kills threats the turn they enter

Ride's End is actually the most played card from Aetherdrift

https://preview.redd.it/lixzr8cnwwle1.png?auto=webp&s=c8ed73e8fd76ad6944d995e149d7159dd4515783

It bothers me this guy doesn't have an occupation

Is that normal for alchemy cards?

Why doesn't he have a job

[sleek ferry]

Maybe he’s too young for a job

[golden plover]

It's just weird he's jobless

https://preview.redd.it/n8j2koa6ywle1.png?width=949&format=png&auto=webp&s=85f34e5b21d7a20fb785bf2a78371cab300a65b2

Also this is a stupid design thing

It makes some of the Kaladesh masterpieces

So they're coded into arena... But they're not craftable

Seems like a waste of time to code in all those cards like that then and have them only exist in this card's spellbook

Why not just put [[Sword of Body and Mind]] or whatever into the game then

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/295/sword-of-body-and-mind

Sword of Body and Mind <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from green and from blue.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token and that player mills ten cards.
Equip

[golden plover]

Oh sword already is

I guess Champion's Helm then?

Seems weird to spend dev time putting the Kaladesh Masterpieces into arena but only for this card to randomly make them

[gritty nest]

should I get an alter of Dogmeat, Ever Loyal as Sif from Dark Souls and run the swords of X and Y?

[glad peak]

if you want

it's fitting somewhat

[twilit canyon]

[[champion's helm]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/375/champions-helm

Champion's Helm <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
As long as equipped creature is legendary, it has hexproof. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
Equip

[trail anvil]

we really need greaves tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah it puts greaves in arena

Why spend dev time on that when it's not craftable

I get they've said they dont want cards to only be craftable before but the anthologies and Bloomburrow walkers are exactly that

[copper pecan]

i don't want greaves in arena

it's not a fun card

[gritty nest]

ive been thinking of building [[Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar]], [[Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion]] (superfriends with her potentially), or [[Durnan of the Yawning Portal]]. What Backgrounds could I use with them? 2 color is preferred but not mandatory.

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/146/shadowheart-dark-justiciar

Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
, , Sacrifice another creature: Draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"Shar's will shall be done. As sure as night will fall."
3/4

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/29/laezel-vlaakiths-champion

Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gith Warrior
If you would put one or more counters on a creature or planeswalker you control or on yourself, put that many plus one of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/657/durnan-of-the-yawning-portal

Durnan of the Yawning Portal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever Durnan attacks, look at the top four cards of your library. You may exile a creature card from among them. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. For as long as that card remains exiled, you may cast it. That spell has undaunted. (It costs less to cast for each opponent.)
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

[ornate cedar]

Didnt play in so long that im back in silver

I feel bad pubstomping people who just have structure decks with my vampire drain deck

I made a Dimir Ressurrection deck to give them more of a chance

That eyeball guy is kinda fun to play. Even if he doesn’t get to max speed, no max hand size is always nice

What are the good uncommons from Aetherdrift? Is there a list somewhere?

[rigid scarab]

squints
rubs eyes
squints
rubs eyes

Did they just blatantly say that they upcharged half of standard

[broken fjord]

Was that ever really a question?

[ornate cedar]

Gotta pay for those IP somehow

[golden plover]

We knew this shit was gonna happen

But really cool to "revitalize" standards with a bunch of one time players who won't stick around and doubling it's price

Legitimately this might kill any efforts to keep paper standard around

It's already not cheap

[sleek ferry]

I mean standard has been revitalized for a while

[golden plover]

I mentioned this in another discord too, but I also don't think people who come for one IP are gonna stay when they inevitably have to change up their deck and cut IP cards. Or worse, when it rotates

[sleek ferry]

This is just the icing on the cake

[golden plover]

Is someone coming for Final Fantasy gonna stick with the game when they need to run Rick and Morty cards in their deck?

Legitimately between the price and that, I think UB into Standard is gonna actively REALLY hurt standard but it'll make WoTC a shit ton of money so who's to say if it's a good thing or bad thing for the long term health of the game

[sleek ferry]

I mean the FF set is def getting people interested

But I would say certain UB’s would be more of flops, like I can’t see the Spider-Man UB doing well tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah and when half of standard is expensive flops... That's an issue

[gritty nest]

picked up almost everything for 2 decks today, 30 cards short

[gritty nest]

i want to hear opinions on this meme deck

[[!Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar]] + [[!Dragon Cultist]] using [[!Act of Treason]] effects to steal creatures, crack them at people, then sacs them to draw cards

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/146/shadowheart-dark-justiciar

Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/170/dragon-cultist

Dragon Cultist

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/99/act-of-treason

Act of Treason

[trail anvil]

isn't that just a typical aristocrat strategy

[gritty nest]

i figured regular aristocrats used recursion and recycling more than a paper mill

and not petty theft

[trail anvil]

it's pretty common for commanders that can sac cause treason effects turn into better removal spells

[glad peak]

Welp spiderman unplayable in cedh confirmed (unless they give us a better win con in blue white)

[lusty trench]

There’s gonna be a ton of Spider-Men probably

[glad peak]

Hopefully

[lusty trench]

Goblin seems fun

[glad peak]

I want Gwen or miles to get a cedh viable one because I love their suits

[lusty trench]

I’d be incredibly surprised if miles gwen and ohara don’t get one

Venom is really boring, Spider-Man’s okay but not much of anything, doc ock is boring, pumpkin bombs are funny but bad and grasping tentacles is… honestly I like

[golden plover]

Oh good all these cards suck

Helps my "UB shit fails in standard so hard they stop doing it" goal if every card sucks

[copper pecan]

idk i think some of them look fun

i like pumpkin bomb

kinda fucked that the card literally named "the green goblin" isn't green though

[sudden lava]

gwen is in the welcome deck and collector booster so she is definitely getting 2 cards

[sleek ferry]

Spider-Man is a modern set no?

[copper pecan]

yes

we need to have morbius be in the set. this will save magic the gathering

i really dislike marvel but i can tolerate the rest of the set as long as morbius is there

[sleek ferry]

Thank fucking god, last thing we need is another reanimator card in standard

I was legit reading grasping tentacles freaking out

[copper pecan]

oh wait no it is in standard

grasping tentacles only hits your opponent's stuff though so it seems pretty match up dependent

[stark skiff]

Cant wait for $500+ Spider Gwen

[sleek ferry]

I would pay $500 for Peter Porker

[zinc shard]

I'm hoping we get interesting Symbiote stuff, Venoms one of my favorite characters

[stark skiff]

Spidey Ham fucks

[lusty trench]

Fun fact randomly about spider-ham: he’s likely immune to the symbiotes spider sense blocking as he doesn’t get his powers from the same source as other spider people, he was a spider that was bitten by a radioactive pig

[hidden ermine]

Spidey being white/blue doesn't feel right

Surely he should have red in his colour identity

[glad peak]

Yeah, he’s also a chaotic mad scientist so idk why he doesn’t

I wouldn’t be surprised if the set was made by interns with a meh grasp of the color pie and defaults white to good and black to bad though

Timelines match up

[copper pecan]

i'm sure there's gonna be more than one spidey card

[glad peak]

Probably but something about these designs screams “we had these limitations so we had to make it this way”

I wouldn’t be surprised if they dedicated specific villains only to dual colors with all of their support cards in specifically their colors

Tbh though I like these cards, pretty cool stuff so far

[copper pecan]

never mind, apparently the specific cards in that image won't be in standard

[hidden ermine]

Its not even the mad scientist part

But Peter is impulsive

[trail anvil]

doc ock is such an overly simple card for 7 mana, I'm surprised they didn't give him ward 2 or something at least

[fallow citrus]

the mill card should let you choose a player instead of opponent

then it might actually be cool

[trail anvil]

3 mana artifact revival sounds a tad busted

[glad peak]

I think it’s another litmus test card

Bad players will say the card’s busted because it mills 8

[sudden lava]

You only use it for the 2nd half really

[glad peak]

But but for only 3 mana you can mill 1/10 of someone’s deck

[ornate cedar]

We’re already getting spooder man spoilers the fuck?

[sudden lava]

yeah this is way to early for spider man

we still have Tarkir, Final Fantasy, and Edges of Eternities before spiderman

[glad peak]

As for cards we NEED, it’s Paul with parter with Mary Jane

[sudden lava]

I love the parter mechanic

[golden plover]

This feels suspicious

As bad as the UB frame is, it really should stick around to show what is and isn't regular ass magic cards

[lusty trench]

They are regular ass magic cards now

[golden plover]

Unfortunately so

The "reducing complexity" excuse is weird tho

This is totally if nothing else to try and get less people to say that UB shit isn't real magic

This is basically the silver border -> Acorn stamp change again to "make it harder to call something not a real magic card"

[steady onyx]

guys am i being stupid or is mono blue fairies fine to get for pauper deck?

/ did i waste money

picked up the deep hours counterspells and spellstutters

[twilit canyon]

u wasted money

jk

pauper faeries are decent

though mono-blue/dimir often doesnt stick to faeries entirely nowdays

[steady onyx]

ngl i just really wanted to play the deep hours hacker shit

that is fun to me

i was gonna pick up like jund glee anyways

just to have a "meta" deck

for now

but i wanna try out this faires

cause ninjas are cool

[fallow citrus]

I mean if you just look at purely results mono blue is the third best aggro deck in pauper

[steady onyx]

sure

but also more revently hasnt jund glee been pretty good? im n out looking too deep into meta

but i just wanna play a 60 card format wi tho my friend

and he said he was ok to pick up paper

he said standard was too much

which i understand

[fallow citrus]

glee is good but it's more of a "combo"

[steady onyx]

yeah

i alao wanna try a combo deck

just to ee what i like

[fallow citrus]

deck isn't doing anything unless it sees glee whereas rdw and mono blue are good regardless

[steady onyx]

yeah

[fallow citrus]

fun combo deck is walls

[steady onyx]

yeah ive seen that

im prob just gonna grab mono blue farirws for now

and see

anyone here play pauper btw

and have a list

or is stealing a winning list fine

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6954686#paper

i was going off this f or now

[fallow citrus]

stealing a winning list should be fine

if you look at a lot of mono blue lists they're all basically the same anyway

sideboards aside

[steady onyx]

yeah

the first list i looked at

had no snaps

which seemed weird

[glad peak]

mono blue faeries are pretty good

i miss red blue skred faeries, that dropped off hard

[glad peak]

oh interesting, boros bully turned into golgari gardens?

[trail anvil]

oops I forgot to do ranked this season, RIP dog style

[steady onyx]

i just like the whole ninja gameplay ngl

esp with fairies

the deck just seems rly fun

[glad peak]

it was very fun with delver but then the other ninjas came out lol

[steady onyx]

wdym

i mean more like the fairie ninja stuff

spamming ur etbs and cycling a nevatr

i also did try delver terror mono blue

i did like ninjas a bit more

[glad peak]

i know but delver on its own was just really fun

the extra ninjas made it hard to justify playing delver since they're a nonbo

[past socket]

Satya Energy my beloved

[gritty nest]

funny dude

[past socket]

Still have yet to fully look at the Aetherdrift energy but I imagine some could be pretty nice

Outside of Aetherdrift Nissa sounding super funny in her own right as a Commander but can’t play her in Satya

[trail anvil]

nissa feels weird to me, 8 energy is doable but you better be cheating out some insane stuff at that point

I'm so glad I picked slogurk back up, this guy is like wet golgari

[stark skiff]

Finally opened my Black Panther Secret Lair and had this @sleek ferry

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1j1n4g2/rc_china_results/

breach cannot be contained

[glad peak]

Breach has breached

[ornate cedar]

Just found out Spider-Man will have no precons

Welp, there goes any interest I had in the set lol

I don’t see myself ordering the cards for insane markup on TCGplayer

[copper pecan]

it has standard precons but not edh ones

[glad peak]

On one hand, good, might mean cards aren’t designed for commander

On the other hand, bad because it might mean everything in the set’s designed for commander

[ornate cedar]

The Welcome Deck?

[golden plover]

But hey, that's a good thing. Means the set can bomb and be unplayable everywhere

If all the cards are bad commander cards, don't have to worry about having to play any in standard

[ornate cedar]

Well they certainly look like bad commander cards so far

[golden plover]

Hopefully they all suck and then they roll back UB going into standard (they won't)

[ornate cedar]

Which is impressive considering how universally known and beloved Spider-Man is

[golden plover]

But I just want the UB sets going into standard to fail so I don't have to run advertisements to keep up

And they're $7 boosters, so if this shit sucks it's expensive and bad

[ornate cedar]

I didn’t think about the pricing issue until recently myself

Including secondary market prices

Because these cards will get scalped

[golden plover]

It's gonna be so much more expensive to actually wanna play paper standard if any of these cards are good

Unironically that'd likely kill paper standard too

[ornate cedar]

Yeah, after all the good will they built with foundations too