Magic the Gathering

[rigid scarab]

Out

And I have zero excitement

None

[gritty nest]

im mainly in it for the saheeli precon and the new vehicles

thats about it

[past socket]

Zombles

[gritty nest]

not surprised

[golden plover]

Forgot how unfun MOM limited was. Was doing fine until my opponent got to drop Etali and it's gg

Super bomb heavy set

[gritty nest]

did they manage to flip it or just the front side resolving was enough?

[golden plover]

Resolving the front side was enough in limited

Cool you get my top deck (the green aura that gives +2/+2 and ward) and your own (the mountaincycling 5/5)

[gritty nest]

damn

[sudden lava]

In my collector booster sample packs I got extended art count on luck, 2 borderless burner rockets, and a borderless Oviya Automech Artisan

[steady onyx]

based

[past socket]

Aussie jumpscare

[ornate cedar]

Same. I don’t even care for the precons lol it’s ok though, I’ve been enjoying MD a little more

[steady onyx]

clean

this is cleab

[ornate cedar]

Ooh nice

Definitely seems like the better commander of the two

[gritty nest]

my living energy precon came out the box messed up

[sleek ferry]

how did that happen

shipping issues?

[gritty nest]

i got 2 copies of the same card

[sudden lava]

which card?

[gritty nest]

uh

draw 2 something 2 get 2 energy

something genius

[[Glimmer of Genius]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/49/glimmer-of-genius

Glimmer of Genius <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Scry 2, then draw two cards. You get (two energy counters).
Creators live for that moment of inspiration: precious, profound, perfect.

[sudden lava]

oof

[golden plover]

Currently 2-0 with Azorious in prerelease

[gritty nest]

nice

[steady onyx]

mine came with 98? cards

idk

i bought a pack of 100 sleeves

and i had 2 sleeves left over

[glad peak]

you should count the cards just to be sure, sleeve boxes sometimes give you extras

[trail anvil]

yeah 100 sleeve packs are usually 102 in my experience

[steady onyx]

ah ok

[gritty nest]

are they dragon shield sleeves?

[rigid scarab]

In case one of them snap or get really dirty

[steady onyx]

yeah

[gritty nest]

yea dragon shields give extras

[golden plover]

Lmao apparently I got the last Hashaton precon this afternoon

There were a ton of Living Energy left, but everyone wanted the zombie one

[past socket]

Amonkhet gaming

[zinc shard]

Think I found my next commander from a PleasantKenobi video no less

[gritty nest]

thinking about brewing [[Thantis, the warweaver]] again

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/46/thantis-the-warweaver

Thantis, the Warweaver <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Spider
Vigilance, reach
All creatures attack each combat if able.
Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, put a +1/+1 counter on Thantis, the Warweaver.
She spins a web few can resist. Its sweet aroma sparks chaos in every heart.
5/5

[gritty nest]

any of you have experience with it?

[trail anvil]

as far as I can see the actual energy precon is cheeks

the commanders seem cool enough but the deck seems kinda wonky

also who doesn't love zombies

[gritty nest]

its got some decent stuff

just wonky

[gritty nest]

do you guys think werewolves could work in 60 card value vintage? the majority of the wolves from INR dont use the day/night mechanic which is a big oof

[steady onyx]

im
happy

i have magic club on school monday

and last 2 meetings i rolled them with my decks

so i need to bring sometbing that wont conpletey roll them

[glad peak]

Have you considered 99 mountains and 1 ashling?

Or would that be too powerful for them too

[steady onyx]

its more the last 3 decks i brought urza shadowheart pirates, pirates has like 20 fucking ways to go infinite shadowheart dosent go infinite but its basically infinite when u stack like 90 dungeon triggers and urza is the weakest imo but ig they dont like 6 flying 20/20

the bigger issue

is they dont interact with other players

they just advance their own gameplan

so like meh

idk

ngl comander is annoying

i should get into cedh

[glad peak]

True

Much more interactive games there

[steady onyx]

but like
idt they are gonna want to play it

so no one to play it with

[glad peak]

You don’t have other groups?

Actually yeah if they don’t put any interaction in the first place they don’t want to play with interaction in cedh

[sleek ferry]

Playing with precons is usually the funner experience you’ll have vs randoms

[lusty trench]

Until someone brings out the Edgar markov one

[steady onyx]

edgar markov is someone ive always wanted to play

but ivrnver got around to actually dropping the monry

[steady onyx]

randoms? they are my friends 😭

[lusty trench]

Very good tribal deck for casuals, a lot of decks can't deal with the early game tempo free bodies give

[steady onyx]

its prob too strong tho no?

if they cant even deal wih liek urza

shiting out constructs every turn

🤷‍♂️

[lusty trench]

It doesn't help many decks don't run enough removal or boardwipes

[steady onyx]

fair ig

by the time thet dug to their 1-2 peices of removal

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHft_NvCANA&ab_channel=SurisMTG

for 20 bucks? ok half the budget is varina

[glad peak]

Tbh if urza is too strong then Edgar is much too strong for them

[golden plover]

Honestly it just sounds like you've gotta get them to interact

Also, why aren't people on [[Training Grounds]] in Hashaton?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/9/training-grounds

Training Grounds <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.

[golden plover]

Feels obvious

[sleek ferry]

Didn’t you just meet them like 2 weeks

Ago

[steady onyx]

no

i thoguht there wwould be more people

its just my friends

no one esle came

[glad peak]

[[hashaton]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/drc/1/hashaton-scarabs-fist

Hashaton, Scarab's Fist <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Whenever you discard a creature card, you may pay . If you do, create a tapped token that's a copy of that card, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie.
"I served the Scarab in an age long past, in another form, under another name. No matter their visage, I serve."
1/3

[glad peak]

It’s not an activated ability

[golden plover]

Oh you're right

[lusty trench]

Me watching tortured existence go from like 50p to £5 because it has a whatever combo with the new zombie commander

[glad peak]

Wait actually?

I bought a ton of those because I kept losing the pauper deck in my collection and it was cheaper to buy more than to search lol

[lusty trench]

Yeah it's... Idk I don't really think it's a good combo so I'm not sure it'll stay expensive

It's 4 mana every time you want to make a copy and if you've got the mana for that there's likely better stuff you could be doing

[glad peak]

It’s 4 mana get value for virtually no cards but seems meh

[golden plover]

I'm thinking about [[Occult Epiphany]] in Hashaton too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/14/occult-epiphany

Occult Epiphany <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying for each card type among cards discarded this way.
In a single unending moment, a hundred lifetimes of knowledge coursed through his unraveling mind.

[trail anvil]

I don't see the point, you don't have much synergy with the tokens that are created so why not just do a regular draw discard spell

[golden plover]

It's modular for it. I don't think it's amazing, but it's not bad either

[glad peak]

Careful study

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/fQzFyFi8VUOUOvaM6WfrYw im 2 cards short, what do you guys think I should add?

i added 2 ruby, daring trackers lol

[trail anvil]

https://youtu.be/aKUZBo2W9Uc?si=2TyQRk-mghTLdtJS

[golden plover]

Just ordered all my proxies for Hashaton Cedh and a new dumb deck (Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis)

I wanted to play Esper and Midrange with the combo and some reanimator stuff seems fun

Hashaton gets to abuse the timing on LED in a neat way

[glad peak]

yep, LED's probably the only thing that maybe gives Hashaton legs in cedh but I don't think it's enough

[golden plover]

Nah I fully agree

But I wanted to be different with my Esper deck so imma play him

[gritty nest]

thoughts on the aura curses in commander?

[golden plover]

Actually there's a cute line of LED with Thoracle and Leveler in hand and some extra mana

[glad peak]

that's a problem though, you need 3 specific cards and 3 extra mana and your commander out

i think tortex stax+value is actually the best way to go about the deck since you can get essentially free card advantage and you can bypass cast restriction effects

[golden plover]

Oh I'm not saying it's a good line. I'm just gonna mostly play regular Esper shit with him and have room for reanimator stuff/midrange value stuff in the flex slots

There's also the line of double Serra Emissary which is cool

[glad peak]

i still find it sad that the best way to play so many commanders is to play stax just because they require attacking or have a lot of activated abilities

either speed issue or activated ability issues

[golden plover]

Yeah true. It's a lot of stax or combo for most commanders

[glad peak]

i know, i know, "just play what's fun"

but the point is that wotc's been pushing more and more commanders to want stax and they're giving more ways for stax to push through a win

and even then, stax is mid

speaking of, the w/b god is both combo and stax, with any rule of law effect and a banishing light effect on board, you get a removal and 1 time ad naus under rule of law

or you can remove the rule of law effect and try to combo off

[ornate cedar]

Ironic because the energy one looks like the better strategy out of the box

[trail anvil]

man there have been so many 3d printed speed counters that look like gear shifters ever since the mechanic has been previewed

[glad peak]

Damn it’s a shame I have no interest in the set

I can create a ratcheting speed counter that also sounds like gear shifters

[ornate cedar]

That sounds cool

[zinc shard]

omg, I was using a text book to flatten a couple cards, I found a foil Spectator Seating I completely forgot I had in there

[sudden lava]

one thing that was very disappointing about Aetherdrift

No new Huatli

[steady onyx]

@sleek ferry It has started

[gritty nest]

that face just

sends me

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P_89iPVkJMc

[golden plover]

Okay yeah Hashaton is real strong. I dunno if he's like Cedh viable, but he's STRONG

[glad peak]

he seems pretty high roll, how strong is he on worst case scenario while still being able to use his ability?

needs a lot of specific types of cards

[golden plover]

First game we played (modified precon with what I've got before my proxies get here) I opened ghostly Pilferer and had an oketra and a few other guys on board t4. But that wasn't a great start

And he died like 3 times that game and got stuck in the command zone

Won g2 but that was because I had psychic frog and made 3 archfiends of Ifnir

Turns out boardwiping and replinishing all your shit is nice

Also we came to the agreement that [[Tortured Existence]] is a trap

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/74/tortured-existence

Tortured Existence <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
, Discard a creature card: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
"There are terrors lurking in the unseen corners of us all." —Crovax

[golden plover]

I'd literally always want [[Ghostly Pilferer]] or Psychic Frog over it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/98/ghostly-pilferer

Ghostly Pilferer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit Rogue
Whenever Ghostly Pilferer becomes untapped, you may pay . If you do, draw a card.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell from anywhere other than their hand, draw a card.
Discard a card: Ghostly Pilferer can't be blocked this turn.
2/1

[glad peak]

I guess but are there easy ways to access a combo line or was it value mostly

[[psychic frog]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/199/psychic-frog

Psychic Frog <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Frog
Whenever Psychic Frog deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, draw a card.
Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on Psychic Frog.
Exile three cards from your graveyard: Psychic Frog gains flying until end of turn.
Some frogs poison the body. Some frogs poison the mind.
1/2

[glad peak]

tortex might be a trap but is there another card draw engine you can use?

[golden plover]

I think he's just a wacky value engine

I don't have my cedh pieces yet, missing my proxies

[glad peak]

i really think the best way to play him is reanimator + stax just because of costs and opponents are incentivized to kill him on sight since your deck can't function without him until the late late game

[golden plover]

But I'm eyeing some LED lines

I think he's a midrangey stax reanimator pile, yeah

You wanna outvalue them

[glad peak]

creatures that reanimate on etb are funny in the deck

discard that creature and then pay for cost to get a copy + the original + another reanimation

[golden plover]

Yeah, that's what I've been eyeing

There's a zombie in the precon that does it and I might keep him in there ngl

Because reanimating 6 guys is fucked up

[glad peak]

i really wanted to make a fun bw god deck but i can't make him fun

banishing lights.dek into adrian or helm combo is kinda mid

[golden plover]

Really torn on [[Rot Hulk]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/3/rot-hulk

Rot Hulk <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie
Menace
When Rot Hulk enters, return up to X target Zombie cards from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is the number of opponents you have.
5/5

[golden plover]

He feels like he'd be bad but he also feels like he's 6 reanimates

[glad peak]

it's really funny to get 6 reanimates but damn

[golden plover]

Yeah that's the thing

When he's 6 you win

[glad peak]

that's a lot of setup you have to do lol

[golden plover]

For sure

I'll play with him

[glad peak]

[[breakthrough]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/41/breakthrough

Breakthrough <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Draw four cards, then choose X cards in your hand and discard the rest.
The ideas came flooding in so fast that they couldn't all be contained.

[golden plover]

I'm running [[Occult Epiphany]] rn for similar reasons

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/voc/14/occult-epiphany

Occult Epiphany <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying for each card type among cards discarded this way.
In a single unending moment, a hundred lifetimes of knowledge coursed through his unraveling mind.

[glad peak]

breakthrough is much funnier

[golden plover]

For sure

I actually had some success with occult Epiphany

[glad peak]

it's the inverse of the x draw spells since you pay for only what you want to keep

[golden plover]

I think the card is good in Hashaton

[glad peak]

what's the amonkhet draw x discard 2 creature again?

[golden plover]

Umm

Not sure

Also [[On Wings of Gold]] felt pretty decent

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/drc/5/on-wings-of-gold

On Wings of Gold <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control that are Zombies and/or tokens get +1/+1 and have flying.
Whenever one or more cards leave your graveyard, create a 1/1 white Zombie creature token.
The edge of Naktamun was once protected by Kefnet. The honored mummies who patrol it now do so in his image.

[glad peak]

it was played in standard but i can't remember the name lol

[golden plover]

I think I'll leave it in the list

[sudden lava]

how you all feel about new Gonti?

[glad peak]

seems mid

[golden plover]

[[Renewed Solidarity]] is obviously good

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/drc/7/renewed-solidarity

Renewed Solidarity <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+0.
At the beginning of your end step, for each token you control of the chosen type that entered this turn, create a token that's a copy of it.

[sudden lava]

https://cardkingdom.imgix.net/aetherdrift-309627?ixlib=php-3.3.1&auto=format&q=35&fit=clip&usm=15&sharp=30&usmrad=1&width=297&blend-w=297

[glad peak]

solidarity might be too winmore

[golden plover]

I think so too

But I... Don't wanna play any other token doublers in this

[glad peak]

you don't really need to get another copy if you're already getting a huge bomb

[sudden lava]

Prof seems to like it

[glad peak]

i dont think you even need to run doublers

[golden plover]

Saw a lot of aspiring cedh lists running 3-4 token doublers

And I think that's a trap

I think solidarity is the only one we'd even consider

[glad peak]

yeah running token doublers is cope

[golden plover]

Solidarity did give me 3 archfiends of ifnir one game tho

[glad peak]

you either run it in stax as a faster clock (no need, 4/4s are big) or you run it for more value (again no need, you're already going over the top with very cheap bombs)

speaking of commanders wotc is aggressively pushing towards stax: the new gonti

[golden plover]

Also I think [[Waxen Shapethief]] is an auto-include in this

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/74/waxen-shapethief

Waxen Shapethief <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Shapeshifter
Flash
You may have this creature enter as a copy of an artifact or creature you control.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
0/0

[golden plover]

The cycle copies anything you need it to

[glad peak]

wotc pushing commanders to stax is so lame lol

but yeah i totally forgot about cycling

[golden plover]

Shapethief feels good

[glad peak]

you might want to play doomsday

[golden plover]

Sure it's 1 more mana to cycle it and get a copy

But the copy retains original stats

And draws you a card

[glad peak]

wait actually you have no way to break into the doomsday pile without extra pieces

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/comedianmtg/status/1888463258245271649?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

ComedIan 😎 cEDH Coach (@ComedIanMTG) on X

Made Top 4 today of the @SCGCON cEDH 5k playing Hashaton!!

X · Feb 9, 2025, 5:41 AM

And so it starts

List is in the comments

[gritty nest]

hashaton cedh moment?

[gritty nest]

@twilit canyon so i made a new VV deck

[twilit canyon]

yeah?

[gritty nest]

https://moxfield.com/decks/fQzFyFi8VUOUOvaM6WfrYw

[twilit canyon]

this way too cute for vv

[gritty nest]

no my coalition victory deck is

this was just a fun project that isnt meant to win on turn 3

[urban crane]

What do people think of the zombie deck?

[glad peak]

Huh

The hashaton deck is just slamming big stax-like creatures that gain you advantage other than fully prevent game actions and winning through that

But it’s also comedian so who knows

Man can top 4 with anything

[golden plover]

So turns out Hashaton not using the stack for his ability is big too

You can Thoracle win BEFORE split second

So they can't angel's Grace it

[lusty trench]

Can't you respond to thassas etb trigger?

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the idea is that you have a window before angels grace to win

Which is funky

So it basically forces 2 players to have it

[gritty nest]

wait what?

how does it not use the stack

[golden plover]

It's a triggered ability

Etbs and stuff will still use the stack, but you can put stuff before a split second card

[gritty nest]

thats what i thought, i was confused when they said hashaton doesn't use the stack

[golden plover]

His ability doesn't since it's triggered. Well not in any meaningful way to interact

[trail anvil]

I'm confused, are you saying you can put a triggered ability on the stack after a split second card is on the stack?

[zinc shard]

Sol Ring if you spend $150+ on Secret Lairs

[golden plover]

In the event of something like [[Lion's Eye Diamond]] into Thoracle, yeah

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/271/lions-eye-diamond

Lion's Eye Diamond <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
Discard your hand, Sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond: Add three mana of any one color. Activate only as an instant.
Held in the lion's eye —Zhalfirin saying meaning "caught in the moment of crisis"

[golden plover]

Split second doesn't turn off mana abilities

So your Thoracle will enter and etb before their angels grace

[trail anvil]

LED is still a mana ability despite its activation timing?

[golden plover]

Yup

[trail anvil]

ic

[golden plover]

Obviously there's not a ton of those you can work with

But the fact you can Thoracle faster than instant speed is crazy

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/introducing-achievements

They revealed some of the achievements

Reach Mythic in Limited and Constructed simultaneously

Man I got a job

[twilit canyon]

i've done that multiple times now

nice to be recognized for being goated

[steady onyx]

misty being goated @sleek ferry i will wait for you to get the mythic champion achivement untill then misty is just superior heh

[sleek ferry]

I don’t have money to be spending on limited

[twilit canyon]

money?

just go infinite

[zinc shard]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hank-scorpio-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that-gif-16665717301005834823

[steady onyx]

money?

isnt mtga a free game kiddo

lock in

get off master duel

get on mtgarena

[zinc shard]

they just added fiendsmith, perfect time to give Master Duel a break

[sudden lava]

this art is kinda meh imo

[steady onyx]

this deck just turned into thopter turbo

i also dont like [[rruik tharr the unblund]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “rruik tharr the unblund”

[steady onyx]

right now

[lusty trench]

Your fault for playing a deck with izzet in it tbh

[glad peak]

Your fault for trying to play on other people’s turns tbh

[steady onyx]

other peoples turns?

[glad peak]

Your fault for playing noncreature spells tbh

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1338655558491705447/eb4rowhd7eie1.png?ex=67abdfa4&is=67aa8e24&hm=c5dcdb20e8f31dc36b1385ac76885d5dfc9ce9b289df2d44c8378254401a97e1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Weekly MTG gonna have a stream tomorrow checking in on commander

No bans or unbans, but they have something to share

[trail anvil]

bracket system coming in hot

[sudden lava]

or the supposed commander digital game that was teased a while back

[sleek ferry]

That was never teased was it?

It was legit Hasbro saying that they would have to make a new platform

To support online commander

[sudden lava]

Something like that, there was talk about it

[copper pecan]

they said they were considering it, not that they were actually gonna make it

[golden plover]

It's honestly an awful idea

[copper pecan]

personally i really doubt they're gonna do it

[sudden lava]

We'll see whatever Gavin has cooking tomorrow anyways, so just gotta wait it out.

[golden plover]

Unironically it'd kill the new platform, arena, and hurt paper more

No one wants to divide their collection between 3 platforms

[sudden lava]

I dont want digital commander btw, awful idea.

[golden plover]

And unless it was something like spelltable, it'd be awful

[copper pecan]

commander in person with randos is bad enough, imagine that but online and instead of being roped by one opponent you get roped by three of them

[gritty nest]

and cant stop playing against them as easily

due to online management bullshit, making new accounts, etc.

[trail anvil]

3x "your go"

I do still unironically want 4p brawl even if it'll be slower and have disconnects

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/aetherdrift-vision-design-handoff-part-2

man some of the mechanics in this high-key kinda suck

[past socket]

Pit stop!

[copper pecan]

"racecar" is a horrible name for a keyword

pick a gear is way too specific of a name for a mechanic with that much design space

racer has the same issue

tour is boring and also doesn't really make a whole lot of sense in large numbers (which maro pointed out). it probably plays fine though since it doesn't seem that different from "seek a nonland card" which has been used in alchemy and plays well

encourage is good and i'm sure it will be used at some point

[past socket]

Could even encourage its use yourself

I will not apologise for this pun

[sleek ferry]

Well, mono red goblins made out good this set

I’ll be playing that to mythic in standard

[sudden lava]

I hate this actually

As much as I liked Outlaws (As far as Laughing Lizards are concerned), do not make "fast mechanic matters" a batch mechanic

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-hehe-creepy-lizard-laughing-lizard-biawak-gif-5464751

An accurate representation of Jasper gameplay

[gritty nest]

was this basically the stuff that didnt make the final cut?

[sudden lava]

yeah

Also https://www.twitch.tv/magic/clip/JazzyUglyHeronKlappa-4q2UDi--ZoHngE7t on the 18th we get pre-magiccon final fantasy reveals

[copper pecan]

yeah

if they had called racecar something else i would probably like it actually now that i think about it

[gritty nest]

speedy - meh
Encorage - its like Exalted but better
Traveling - no
Tour - i kinda like the idea but at the same time it could probably be too good in graveyard themed decks
Racer - neat, but kinda meh
Pick a Gear - complicated and not fun to remember
Racecar - have to track each token per exiled card, and that token will most likely never let the card be cast, still neat though

thats my overall thoughts

[gritty nest]

have any of you heard of or used Heavy Play CURV sleeves? I've been thinking of getting them and watched reviews, but hearing other first hand experience would be awesome.

[glad peak]

heard of them, heard the curved edge on the bottoms feel weird when shuffling

[gritty nest]

alright, thank you

also i rebuilt gonti, and did it better (i added tergrid)

[sleek ferry]

wait what happened

I thought arena got their sets on tuesdays

[golden plover]

Tuesday afternoon

God I love seeing the cope on [[Radiant Lotus]]. This card is unplayable

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/240/radiant-lotus

Radiant Lotus <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
, Sacrifice one or more artifacts: Choose a color. Target player adds three mana of the chosen color for each artifact sacrificed this way.
After devastation, hope bloomed.

[sleek ferry]

what time

I need my damn red cards now

[golden plover]

Like 1-2 EST?

I dunno

[twilit canyon]

im about to cycle so hard in a few hours

[golden plover]

The funniest Radiant Lotus cope has to be the "it replaces KCI in modern" one btw

Going "Oh I can sacc my 6 artifact lands to make 18 mana"... What

[steady onyx]

am i dumb or is radiant lotus not bad in like for example my urza artifact soam
deck?

[golden plover]

Nah it's bad

[steady onyx]

ok

[golden plover]

You don't wanna start ramping on 6 mana

[steady onyx]

fair enough

[golden plover]

And anything you're using it for is better off with [[Kark-Clan Ironworks]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/134/krark-clan-ironworks

Krark-Clan Ironworks <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Sacrifice an artifact: Add .
All the junk, refuse, and offal of the Krark Clan is diligently collected, melted down, and made into more junk, refuse, and offal.

[steady onyx]

by that time there is possibilties ive dug to lord high tbf

which is already most of the mana i would need

[golden plover]

KCI also doesn't have to tap to do it

[steady onyx]

hmm

[ornate cedar]

I think it’ll be ok in artifact heavy decks and that’s about it. Still 6 mana to get on board

[glad peak]

It’s incredibly bad in urza even

The best part about the card is that you can stack triggers with the sac

But even then it’s very mid because it’s 6 mana

[sudden lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125148508920479744/1338935372054396928/image.png?ex=67ace43c&is=67ab92bc&hm=71d37cb1b0fd70bf92a92a7bd34c9d848859d712e314a0a5efea7038c120624e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125148508920479744/1338936657700716676/image.png?ex=67ace56f&is=67ab93ef&hm=bf1a54b86c8172817df422d775d919f45a6d6fb86ab084da2110306636288285&

[lusty trench]

That's it?

Also what is the difference between optimized and cedh here

[glad peak]

3 game changes? What does that even mean

[sudden lava]

Optimized is not necessarily cedh, you can have an optimized deck that doesn't neccessarily cedh level

[sudden lava]

3 of the game changer cards

they forgot the r in changers

your rhystic studies, thassa's oracles, the one ring

[lusty trench]

I get that but like if you're gonna define the differences for everything else

[sudden lava]

"Late game is turn 7-9-ish"

[trail anvil]

eh do you really need to, these are meant to be guidelines and the people at those power levels should understand the difference

[lusty trench]

Should is the operative word but they often times don't

[trail anvil]

it doesn't really matter if they do because both levels are no holds barred basically, the difference is viability in cedh

[glad peak]

Also I like how they put themselves in a corner with precons so they had to make a distinctions between 1 and 2 lol

[lusty trench]

I get that but at that point there should be one level between the two because at that point you're just kinda doing it yourself anyway

[glad peak]

Also wouldn’t some precons be illegal in rank 2 because they tutor cards on their commander? Or is there actually no precon that does that

[trail anvil]

nah because there is a difference, it's just easier to police

[sudden lava]

Living energy isnt in b2

cuz it has a few 2 card infinites

[lusty trench]

Rank 2 allows some tutors

[glad peak]

Damn I didn’t know they sold upgraded precon precons

[lusty trench]

Commander masters precons crying in the corner

[past socket]

You get a little tutelage

As a treat

[glad peak]

Sure but there’s a difference between 1 card tutors and 1 card that can tutor multiple times

[trail anvil]

does stella lee have infinites included, cause ik she has a ton otherwise

[lusty trench]

Not out of the box iirc

[past socket]

Don’t believe she does

Really easy to get some though for upgrading

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272400235171282985/1338277918077485117/image.png?ex=67ac7a2f&is=67ab28af&hm=af9f8731d13dcefb8b4b948ada96f81dcc3b0294fb99202a840edb6684b44bce&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1347&height=579

Late game infinite

[past socket]

Twisted Fealty for example is super cheap iirc

[glad peak]

Unless they specify that 1 card tutoring multiple times = only 1 card is card tutoring

[trail anvil]

if people genuinely complain about that infinite then idk

[glad peak]

For example, is any deck with Magda automatically 3+?

[sudden lava]

of course this is just to help with rule zero

[trail anvil]

I don't see why it would be

[lusty trench]

Nah I do think they mean each card is 1 tutor regardless of repeat ability

Because you can recycle traditional tutors as well

[glad peak]

Then in that case, Magda here we go

[lusty trench]

Some of these game changers are questionable includes

[lusty trench]

Expropriate especially

[trail anvil]

I think expropriate is there for the same reason mld is on the list

[glad peak]

1 tutor, no mld, no extra turns, no game changers (jeska and breach are both maybeboard cards in Magda) and there’s 1 two card combo but you can easily transition it into a 3 card combo

[steady onyx]

wait finally

[trail anvil]

it's just under the annoying category

[steady onyx]

i need to read this

[glad peak]

Magda cedh (with a small change) is bracket 1

[hidden ermine]

It is funny how the list really showcases the power of each colour in non-CEDH EDH

[steady onyx]

MY BABY they call lord high a game changer

sad

that means my urza deci is bracket 3

[lusty trench]

I mean

[steady onyx]

wait all my decks are bracket 3 or 4

[twilit canyon]

the 2 red cards added are better than almost everything in blue, black, and all of green

[steady onyx]

fuck

[twilit canyon]

💀

[sudden lava]

"Precons can maybe in the future say what bracket they are"

[steady onyx]

well shadowheart is tecnally bracket 2

because no infinites

i have a near infinite but not an i finite

[lusty trench]

Kinda odd how swat isn't on here despite it often being a guardianship

[sudden lava]

repeated tutors count as 1

[twilit canyon]

the lower your power is, the weaker swat gets

if you are at a cedh level, swat becomes way stronger

but at lower tables

what

you're swatting a mana drain?

thats p powerful ig

[sudden lava]

its about density of tutors

[twilit canyon]

maybe you swat what

arcane denial?

thats meh

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1338938971505295381/image.png?ex=67ace797&is=67ab9617&hm=a6309344ecd13f7376e54e9ee53a306bb39d9c908d0aba89e29de4719e7f590a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[glad peak]

You swat a direct damage ability for 20 lol

But if you get to that point then why

[lusty trench]

personal tutor isn't on the list
Bro escaped because he was too slow

[glad peak]

Wait hold on, full power Magda’s actually bracket 1 since clock combo is a 3 card combo as are the rest of her kill combos

[trail anvil]

most of the value of swat is the mana you don't have to pay, the lower power you are the less that matters

[glad peak]

And only 1 tutor

[steady onyx]

time to terrorize ppl with magda now

[glad peak]

I lose moxes, tomb, and the one ring but I can just play the mishra’s variant

[sudden lava]

"Land ramp/fetches are not tutors"

[trail anvil]

wait

[[jin-gitaxias, core augur]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/62/jin-gitaxias-core-augur

Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Flash
At the beginning of your end step, draw seven cards.
Each opponent's maximum hand size is reduced by seven.
"It is not a goal, but a process—the process of creating the perfect Phyrexia."
5/4

[trail anvil]

what?

[glad peak]

“I can’t believe you’re playing a precon bracket 2 deck against my bracket 1 Magda deck, you should be ashamed of yourself”
Proceeds to stax the table turn 2-3 and win the next turn

[lusty trench]

Esper sentinel sliding on by

[sudden lava]

the new zombie precon unedited is a bracket 1

(idk if there is any 2 card infinites, I doubt it does)

[glad peak]

Magda stay winning

[sudden lava]

Magda get any new cars she wants?

[glad peak]

Not really

There’s the artifact dwarf vehicle but that’s mid at best

Might be fine in the mishra’s variant?

[sudden lava]

"Sol ring isnt on the game changers cuz its sol ring"

[glad peak]

If they did that, wouldn’t some precons be going into brackets 4 and 5?

[sudden lava]

that is to say, its core to commander identity

[trail anvil]

it's also in every precon

[glad peak]

So every precon would be too powerful for the precon tier

[past socket]

Sol Ring’s just Sol Ring, it’s just there for the ride for being a lovely little rock

[sudden lava]

you can nudge up if you feel your deck despite technically being in one bracket should really count as one up

[glad peak]

They’ve gotta come up with something better

Nah my Magda cedh list gonna be bracket 1

[sudden lava]

Mudkip bullying the crab b1 players

[trail anvil]

they are taking suggestions for game changers btw

[glad peak]

My suggestion? Go back to the drawing board

[sudden lava]

Magda for game changers

[trail anvil]

of course it is lol

[past socket]

Speaking of someone mentioning Esper dodging, ig Mystic Remora too?

[glad peak]

They said they were making a database for the bracket system, do that instead of whatever this is

[sudden lava]

the article is either out or will be out soon

[trail anvil]

mystic remora is another one of those cards where it punishes powerful decks more than non powerful decks

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

here is your bracket article

[glad peak]

If the commander rc was a company they would’ve gotten fired

[sudden lava]

Next week Final Fantasy

on weeklymtg

with Zakeel (idk if I spelled that right)

and Gavin

Yeah Zakeel Gordon

[past socket]

[[Winter Orb]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ema/234/winter-orb

Winter Orb <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
"How could anyone survive this? There is some force at work that stifles even the will to go on." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[past socket]

Oh

For a second I thought it was Blood Moon but blue or something

[rigid scarab]

I've said my piece on

Early sol rings not being that egregious in casual edh

If it's your only fast mana option

That said

This game changers list feels

Arbitrary

It gets a lot of the iconic troublemakers

But leaves a lot out for some reason?

[gritty nest]

so

what exactly are game changers bracket wise

5.5?

[rigid scarab]

Like ok we dont like stax so dont bring Grand Arbiter Drannith and Trinnisphere

But Stasis Winter Orb and Blood Moon are A OK

[rigid scarab]

It's a diet banlist

You are allowed 3 of them in brackets 3 onwards

[gritty nest]

eh

[rigid scarab]

Maybe Winter Orb falls under "Mass land denial" for them?

But for some reason Vorinclex doesn't?

It's a beta it's bound to be rough

But I'd love to see some consistency

[gritty nest]

yes winter orb is considered MLD

[past socket]

According to the article it does

[gritty nest]

mass land denial

[rigid scarab]

Also they said to consider game-changers to be on banlist watch

So ig sell your KINNANS while you still can??

[trail anvil]

stasis too

[rigid scarab]

Also like

They consider Thoracle a game changer

But not lab man or jace

Even though literally the reason Thoracle is on here is because of its 2 card combos

Which are

Banned in the brackets where it would be a problem anyways

But I also just have fundamental problems with the bracket system in terms of

As Mudkip has already done

Metagaming decks to be the highest power level possible in accordance to those brackets

Which is exactly what they don't want happening

[glad peak]

I mean, people were already planning on metagaming the bracket system when they announced they might be doing events with those brackets

And even back then people were talking about how much of a problem Magda would be

[rigid scarab]

I don't think this is gonna stop power level mismatches nearly as much as WOTC hopes

Hell it might even make more

When you introduce limitations to people they naturally will try to find ways to circumvent them

[glad peak]

Now I can have justification for playing Magda against precons because it’s a worse deck according to wotc

But yeah idk

[rigid scarab]

Like hell maybe they put magda in game changers

But obviously magda isn't the only deck that's hyper strong in bracket 1

[glad peak]

It’s human nature to try and circumvent limits and they keep trying to impose them

Magda’s only the most obvious one, there’s probably other cedh decks in bracket 1

[rigid scarab]

Slicer immediately comes to mind

[glad peak]

Slicer is a bit different because you lose a lot of power in the mana and he’s a lot better in empty board states cedh has more of

[rigid scarab]

White still has like

[past socket]

Me when I’m in a not communicating challenge and my opponent is the average Commander player

[rigid scarab]

A lot of stax pieces

[glad peak]

Magda straight up doesn’t need the moxes

[rigid scarab]

All the rule of laws are still legal for example

Humility is still legal

[glad peak]

I wonder if conditional mld is legal

[rigid scarab]

The bracket system is specifically designed to minimise long pregame discussions and to make matchmaking easy

[glad peak]

Like the card where if people taps on turns not their own, they lose that land

Since it’s not the player who’s denying the lands, it’s the player whose lands are being destroyed

[rigid scarab]

I find it very strange that WOTC is promoting bracket 2 to be precon level when

[golden plover]

Wow the bracket system does... Nothing

[rigid scarab]

You can easily

easily

Make a bracket 1 deck leagues stronger than any precon

[sudden lava]

River Song is now B4

[rigid scarab]

And then this naturally could lead into extremely uncomfortable conversations on

[sudden lava]

The average River Song deck

[rigid scarab]

"Yeah the game changer list says I can't play Drannith..."

[glad peak]

You can make sythis and variants of sisay cedh in bracket 1 lmao

[rigid scarab]

"Does Archon of Emeria resolve?"

"No no no I'm not denying you lands! You just get punished a little for using them!"

(Manabarbs Ojer Axonil)

[past socket]

Though hey it can only improve at the very least

[golden plover]

Wait [[Trouble in Pairs]] is a game changer???

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[golden plover]

Why

[glad peak]

I sure hope they improve it

[rigid scarab]

Too much card draw!!!!!!!!!!!!

[golden plover]

Also, I feel like the duals should be game changers

Maybe the fetches too if they really wanna make 2-3 "casual"

[ornate cedar]

Yeah idk how mtggoldfish pod said it was gonna be a good card

Maybe I’m misremembering what they said

I feel like I agree with Richard more over time

[rigid scarab]

Ok so I just learned that

The bracket system is completely optional

But still some people are gonna follow it religiously

Some won't at all

[trail anvil]

it's not intended to be a hard and fast system

it's just guidelines

[golden plover]

You can destroy 3 lands a turn before going to bracket 4

Time to make land destruction bracket 2

[ornate cedar]

I feel like saying the bracket system is optional will cause some problems down the line with precisely the two camps you’re talking about, but nothing dramatic. It just seems like much ado about nothing

Like why even bother then? That was the whole point of Rule 0 to begin with, and it’s not like people didn’t know how to power scale their own cards per se.

But again, it’s not a big deal

[rigid scarab]

Oh no, lots of people for sure misjudge power levels of decks

Both theirs and their opponents

[golden plover]

Brackets are at least a bit better than rule 0

But it's still not gonna clear up all conflicts

Also lol the Boros precon from MKM is a 4 because it's got Jeska's Will and Trouble in Pairs in it

[ornate cedar]

Hmm, I’ll need to see it in action before I can say if it will work then. It’s hard for me to predict with what I know

[glad peak]

Tbh I’m probably just gonna do malicious compliance

[golden plover]

Why isn't blood moon on the game changers, actually

[glad peak]

If you force me to play with brackets rather than whatever silly deck I want to try, then here comes bracket 1 Magda cedh

[golden plover]

I'm just gonna stay cedh and have decks for bracket 3 (like I do now, modified precons and coin flip SL)

I have 0 interest in a bracket 2 game

[glad peak]

I really wish bracket 1 was for hella weak decks

But nah

[fallow citrus]

oh so only 4 and 5 are worth playing

[golden plover]

Just like commander already was

But yeah, 2-3 seem weird

[ornate cedar]

Yeah 4 and 5 seem best. I don’t pull punches, I don’t expect others to

[sleek ferry]

I'm feeling the goblin power

goblin crashout is my guy

[ornate cedar]

Does Arena have Aetherdrift yet? I want to see how bad this is

[sleek ferry]

yes

[ornate cedar]

Cool thanks

[sleek ferry]

It's not bad for standard

[past socket]

Thought Thugs was secretly Muxus this whole time

[sleek ferry]

shhh, don't tell anybody

[rigid scarab]

Ig they count it as mass land denial

[golden plover]

Hmm... Actually thinking about it in the spirit of these rules, I don't think I agree about game changer commanders only counting as the one. There's a big difference between a game changer like yuriko in the command zone and 3 in the 99 with limited tutors

[rigid scarab]

But apparently Voriclex doesn't?

[golden plover]

I think in bracket 3 a game changer commander should probably count as all 3

[sleek ferry]

I need a mono red board wipe

what are my options

[rigid scarab]

Blas act

Seeya

[steady onyx]

be prepard

kinda nice board wipe nlg

needs to get hit

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/HPuzzleYT/status/1889395258292838733?t=wExOFf3FyU3I5q05lrAS7Q

H Puzzle (@HPuzzleYT) on X

Hey guys, is your pod looking for a 4th? I wanted to sit down and play some Bracket 3, just for fun.

Yeah, I hate early 2 card infinite combos, too! I just wanna keep things casual. I think I'll be a great fit for this pod!

Anyways, here's my list! Good luck, have fun! ^-^

X · Feb 11, 2025, 7:25 PM

[sleek ferry]

for standard*

[sleek ferry]

holy this is broken

[steady onyx]

yes

[sleek ferry]

man, is brotherhood's end still the most efficient red wipe

[steady onyx]

is this just rogsi

[fallow citrus]

it's a bracket 3 deck :)

[steady onyx]

well i understand

but was anything cut

i cant fully tell

[sleek ferry]

fwiw, aren't the brackets supposed to have their own ban lists?

[rigid scarab]

No

[past socket]

They do just be guidelines

[rigid scarab]

But also there's just confusion regarding them

I was confused for sure

[steady onyx]

thugs

[rigid scarab]

Its not like its splitting into 5 formats

[steady onyx]

theres the thing that pings everything for 1

[rigid scarab]

They are supposed to be

[steady onyx]

but its nor rly a boardwipe

[rigid scarab]

Deckbuilding guidelines

[sleek ferry]

1 isn't super relevant in standard rn

[rigid scarab]

For people wanting to know their deck's power level

And if you're an established player

In their words

[sleek ferry]

I need 3 probably, so brotherhood's end is probbably best

[rigid scarab]

The bracket system is kinda useless

Yeah I was gonna bring that up

It's rotating soon tho

[sleek ferry]

I have 2 already crafted, and then I guess I switch to [[slagstorm]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/207/slagstorm

Slagstorm <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Slagstorm deals 3 damage to each creature.
• Slagstorm deals 3 damage to each player.
"As long as we have the will to fight, we are never without weapons." —Koth of the Hammer

[past socket]

Ngl I hope Mana Crypt and Dockside stay just out of pure spite

I’d say “act like a child and get treated like one” but I don’t think the average child threatens people over the internet over cardboard

[rigid scarab]

Why specifically 3

[sleek ferry]

3 and 2 are relevant toughness in standard

[rigid scarab]

Pyroclasm is legal rn

[sleek ferry]

[[pyroclasm]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/149/pyroclasm

Pyroclasm <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Pyroclasm deals 2 damage to each creature.
"In my younger days, I would meticulously catalog all the terrors I encountered. These days, I mostly just kill them with fire." —Rip, spawn hunter

[sleek ferry]

hmmm

@twilit canyon best board wipe for mono red? is it still brotherhood's end?

[twilit canyon]

its the most flexible

though i think you can make an argument for the foundations one if you are aggressive enough

where its a 3 mana deal 3

clasm is great for non mono-red red decks

[sleek ferry]

oh right, bloodghast is in this set

[[howlsquad heavy]] is a unit

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/134/howlsquad-heavy

Howlsquad Heavy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Mercenary
Start your engines!
Other Goblins you control have haste.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. That token attacks this combat if able.
Max speed — : Add for each Goblin you control.
2/3

[twilit canyon]

goblins seem to have potential

[last glen]

https://youtu.be/qNu18Quax7Q

[sudden lava]

Next week we start the peak set reveals

[sleek ferry]

Deck is genuinely fun

[steady onyx]

is it better then the hearfire hero shit

cause i love the heartfire hero stuff so much

i know its like stupid dumb

but i really enjoy playing it

[past socket]

Goblin Mode Standard woo

[last glen]

Looks like Moxfield already pushed functionality to automatically bracket classify commander decks

[twilit canyon]

i was a bit hesitant on monument of endurance but when this card goes it fucking goes

[past socket]

Mono-Red also just seems like Old Faithful when it comes to Arena

[steady onyx]

thats fun

[past socket]

Neat

[merry owl]

is there a way to update the bracket value after i modify the decks

[twilit canyon]

yeaht his card kinda fucks

[steady onyx]

[[monument to endurance]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/237/monument-to-endurance

Monument to Endurance <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, choose one that hasn't been chosen this turn —
• Draw a card.
• Create a Treasure token.
• Each opponent loses 3 life.
Loss is not the end of the journey.

[steady onyx]

thats col

cool

rly cool

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/Mengu09/status/1889222916669362525

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09) on X

Scepter + Orim Chant still lives in Modern! A true old style Prison deck exists and I’m going to play it today! Thanks @WUCtrl for the list 🤗
Live @ https://t.co/86Ikczp4SF

X · Feb 11, 2025, 8:00 AM

[sleek ferry]

[[burnout brashanaut]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “burnout brashanaut”

[sleek ferry]

I opened 50 packs of aerherdrift

And opened 0 gas guzzlers

[last glen]

I'm looking for one, but I don't see anywhere.

[last glen]

found it:
you have to go into the deck's settings
and then you can either manually set an intended bracket (the system will use the higher bracket between the intended and calculated bracket)
or you can tell it to auto adjust

don't know why they calculated brackets and then locked them in rather than setting every deck to autocalc
but

[sleek ferry]

Start your engines is high key better than I expected

[gritty nest]

in 60 card?

[sleek ferry]

Yes

There’s a rakdos speed list I wanted to try but I pulled 0 gas guzzlers so that dream is dead

[trail anvil]

the most common one I saw during prerelease was boros or azorius at least

ketramose in brawl feels as nicely as expected, but not with blink sadly

[golden plover]

I feel like start your engines isn't constructed playable still tbh

But Rakdos and Boros feel good in draft

[gritty nest]

i had played dimir control during prerelease and drew nothing of note each game

[stark skiff]

So are brackets official now?

[last glen]

yeah
sorta

they're in beta

[sudden lava]

they are in beta at the moment

but yeah

[stark skiff]

Oh okay. When do they become official?

[sleek ferry]

Alright, idk why I thought [[draconautics engineer]] was mid the first time I read it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/121/draconautics-engineer

Draconautics Engineer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Artificer
Exhaust — : Other creatures you control gain haste until end of turn. Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)
Exhaust — : Create a 4/4 red Dinosaur Dragon creature token with flying.
2/2

[sleek ferry]

Card is crazy

[sudden lava]

No set date for when the beta ends, but its pretty much official now

like we're officially in the beta of this system

[sleek ferry]

Needless to say, I’m having fun

[stark skiff]

Thanks

Likely selling my stuff but just wanted to be informed just in case

[sleek ferry]

It was a nice run while it lasted kid

Any non expensive cards you want to donate to me, I’ll take them

[stark skiff]

yeah playing slowed down around me. i'll still keep like a deck or two

but too much other stuff that I'll just likely sell.

[golden plover]

[[Gonti, Night Minister]] is bullshit in limited. If they've got any fliers you just lose

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/87/gonti-night-minister

Gonti, Night Minister <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Aetherborn Rogue
Whenever a player casts a spell they don't own, that player creates a Treasure token.
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, its controller looks at the top card of that opponent's library and exiles it face down. They may play that card for as long as it remains exiled. Mana of any type can be spent to cast a spell this way.
3/4

[golden plover]

Wow you really deserve the win because your 4 drop takes all my best cards and fixed your mana

[sleek ferry]

this is how I feel when I vs heartfire hero and have game on board, but the burn finishes me off on first strike damage

[golden plover]

True, hate that mouse

[copper pecan]

it's kinda wild that gonti triggers for each individual creature that hits

usually these effects just trigger once regardless of how many creatures are getting in

[golden plover]

Yeah I kinda feel like it should've just been one

If they've got 3 1/1 thopters (not uncommon in Dimir) they get to rip 3 off the top

[copper pecan]

it's too strong at rare imo

should probably be mythic

[golden plover]

Yeah, I went 5-3 and 2/3 losses in my most recent draft were to Gonti in Dimir

3rd loss was my Internet acting up

But I feel like if I saw Gonti less, they wouldn't be as annoying to lose to

One of them used haunt the network into Gonti and managed to rip both my Chandra and Klonodin

I was probably losing that one anyways because t6, but damn, feels like shit

[golden plover]

Fuck I wanna make [[The Last Ride]] work in standard but I don't think there's a way to burn myself enough

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/94/the-last-ride

The Last Ride <:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
The Last Ride gets -X/-X, where X is your life total.
, Pay 2 life: Draw a card.
Crew 2
The rearview mirror showed Winter what awaited him should he fail.
13/13

[sleek ferry]

even if you do, heartfire hero exists

[ornate cedar]

I’m considering using my quick draft token for Aetherdrift since apparently draft is good. What are some good rules of thumb for making a deck in draft?

[sleek ferry]

well, I managed to go from silver to diamond in 24 hours

goblins are like right there

idk if they're actually good though

like

[ornate cedar]

Is black still the move?

In standard I mean

[sleek ferry]

opening hands where you see [[burnout bashtronaut]] you win like 85% of the time

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/115/burnout-bashtronaut

Burnout Bashtronaut <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Menace
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Max speed — This creature has double strike.
1/1

[sleek ferry]

the issue is, it feels like a yugioh format

in the sense that

whoever goes first, wins

[ornate cedar]

Oh

Welp, I guess I’ll play my mono black discard demon deck and see how rough it is

[sleek ferry]

start your engines is actually a snowball mechanic, in that whoever gets it first probably wins that game

[ornate cedar]

Interesting, so a grind game isn’t a good idea

[sleek ferry]

if you're esper it's fine

nurturing pixie loops still feel degen to vs

[ornate cedar]

Maybe I’ll try it

[steady onyx]

and screaming nemesis my favorite

[golden plover]

Actually found the standard move

Izzet discard

[twilit canyon]

its good until its dogshit

[sudden lava]

oops wrong copy paste

https://youtu.be/fCS2vmhB3zI

ironically the wrong copy paste was also car themed

But yeah new Game Knight episode

[sleek ferry]

vsed it a few times, seems weak vs aggro tbh

@twilit canyon this is what I’ve settled on for now, could do a 4th engineer but ran out of wild cards

[twilit canyon]

dont play three tree

cards kind of ass

play all 4 krenko

you have a haste goblin enabler and impact tremors btw

4 hasters just for existing and 4 that can pay a red to haste

goblin firebrand is better than the first strike haster

cus firebrand is always able to be ping 1

your mana base is lacking speed

play the haste land

that starts your engine

[sleek ferry]

The thing I don’t like about the firebrand is the lack of versatility tbh. The draw + treasure has come up for me a decent amount of games in the 69 games I’ve played with the deck

I can def replace tree with the start your engines land though

[twilit canyon]

with engine lands, firebrand becomes way better

cus if u draw later, it can always speed you up

[sleek ferry]

That’s a fair point. But I would also say lackey like burnout guarantees you an attack for searslicer

[twilit canyon]

eh

idt its as guaranteed as you think tbh

theres plenty of removal and a lot of stuff will eat it still

i'd also defer to jim davis

hes a goblin expert

may be worth asking him on twitch or bluesky

[sleek ferry]

oh yeah for sure, but I'm feeling pretty damn good about trading my 1 drop for removal tbh

unless it's burnout

that one feels bad

[twilit canyon]

i think with the new artifact that gives -2/-2 its def a lot worse

[sleek ferry]

Nowhere to run is the bane of this deck sadly

That's why I'm putting more emphasis on early hordemasters if possible

[twilit canyon]

hordemaster is the best card in the deck behind krenko yeah

if the bounce deck truly gets popular again its over for goblins

[sleek ferry]

yeah, see I think krenko is in a weird spot for me, just because you'll have a lot of these games where you're trading 1 for 1

and krenko is just there

[twilit canyon]

and games where you stick him, haste him, and automatically win

also 100% on impact tremors

especially with speed stuff

[steady onyx]

is this expensive?

i habe 2 mr 1 r wild card

cna i play it?

[golden plover]

Yeah Izzet cycling feels very 50/50

When it goes off it's crazy

But when it doesn't it sucks

Honestly maybe we don't play the aggro shit and do cycling burn?

The issue is that Howler feels really good tho

[sleek ferry]

I lost to mono blue discard

[golden plover]

Mono-blue discard?

I lost a game to Golgari bandits talents and it CANNOT win vs mono red

So I think this deck might not be the move

[sleek ferry]

yeah it used [[duelist of the mind]] [[malcolm, alluring scoundrel]] [[steamcore scholar]] [[prof's elderic memory]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/45/duelist-of-the-mind

Duelist of the Mind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Advisor
Flying, vigilance
Duelist of the Mind's power is equal to the number of cards you've drawn this turn.
Whenever you commit a crime, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Nathan Steuer, World Champion XXVIII
*/3

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/63/malcolm-alluring-scoundrel

Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Siren Pirate
Flash
Flying
Whenever Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel deals combat damage to a player, put a chorus counter on it. Draw a card, then discard a card. If there are four or more chorus counters on Malcolm, you may cast the discarded card without paying its mana cost.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/71/steamcore-scholar

Steamcore Scholar <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Weird Detective
Flying, vigilance
When Steamcore Scholar enters, draw two cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard an instant or sorcery card or a creature card with flying.
"Hm. That's weird."
2/2

No card found for “prof's elderic memory”

[sleek ferry]

with the new monument

[golden plover]

Oh weird

[sleek ferry]

[[prof's eidetic memory]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[sleek ferry]

it was a cute deck

[trail anvil]

wow that was a game of board wipes

||damn that was a really good game actually, everyone got eliminated one by one||

[zinc shard]

tryin to find a infinite combo for my Hakbal deck that doesnt involve Wanderwine Profits, because the league im in punishes you for chaining extra turns

I've got Intruder Alert + Deeproot Pilgrims + Any merfolk that taps

[copper pecan]

i was looking at random cards on scryfall and came across [[polar kraken]] and it got me thinking about cards with downsides

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/44/polar-kraken

Polar Kraken <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken
Trample
Polar Kraken enters tapped.
Cumulative upkeep—Sacrifice a land. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
"It was big. Really, really, big. No, bigger than that. It was big!" —Arna Kennerüd, skyknight
11/11

[copper pecan]

like

why did it take so long for them to realize that they didn't need to give big creatures downside effects

costing tons of mana is already a downside

you don't need to make the card even worse

[zinc shard]

early on in MTG creature's were just bad

[rigid scarab]

https://youtu.be/0mlKg0PRnNc?si=vvjEA8jcE7nG86lK

Trinket is one of the MTG creators I respect the most

He has so many takes that I and many others disagree with

I don’t agree with his hyper-metagamed perspective on casual EDH

But he’s someone willing to discuss and willing to hear people out

I also like video essayists that I can both agree and disagree with

[golden plover]

Emery officially has "Affinity for artifacts" now, and a few other cards were erattaed to be affinity. Stuff like [[Gate Colossus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/675/gate-colossus

Gate Colossus <:mana8:292901508830330880>

Artifact Creature — Construct
This spell costs less to cast for each Gate you control.
This creature can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
Whenever a Gate you control enters, you may put this card from your graveyard on top of your library.
8/8

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/Mengu09/status/1890032404930478090?t=1gIMPGILYcCw05IAEt1WtA&s=19

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09) on X

It finally happened! I comboed someone with the Ketramose Frog Darkblast combo! 🥳 #MTGModern

X · Feb 13, 2025, 1:36 PM

what exactly is this combo

[glad peak]

Darkblast, draw with frog, dredge instead, exile with frog, draw with ketra is my guess

[fallow citrus]

sure but how does it kill

[glad peak]

You kill the board, attack with a huge frog, and mill a bunch

[fallow citrus]

oh sure

makes sense

[glad peak]

Actually that’s pretty sick

You can discard with frog too

Sewer frog

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t25MoEyAGfY

[soft light]

I will need to look into this "ur-dragon" deck...

[twilit canyon]

no you dont

[soft light]

is it bad?

[twilit canyon]

mid

but also boring tbh

there are better dragon(s) and commander(s)

[soft light]

areo put me onto it so that checks out

[twilit canyon]

lol

[glad peak]

Mid and boring is the best way to put it

It’s also strong enough that your casual friends will gang up on you for it

[golden plover]

Too strong for casual groups, too weak for real groups

[soft light]

aesthetically I was just hoping for a deck that looks like dragon rulers because something I'm not a fan of in MTG is the art

[twilit canyon]

meh

idt theres a true aesthetic that follows them

[golden plover]

You'd struggle to really make a deck that looks yugioh-art in mtg ngl

Sure there's a decent bit of anime alt arts but not realistically enough for a coherent deck

[soft light]

well dragon rulers are just badass dragons so I was hoping I could find something like that

[glad peak]

Well. The ur-dragon isn’t badass and you don’t get badass dragons with it so there you go

[golden plover]

There's plenty of dragons

[soft light]

sigh

areo will be put into the meat grinder for a week for this

[glad peak]

Scion of ur dragon though

He’s based

[golden plover]

I dunno who you'd wanna run for dragon commander stuff?

They're all just kinda "play big guys and swing"

[glad peak]

Scion toolbox combos are fun

Scion is less of that

[past socket]

I believe in Firkraag supremacy

[copper pecan]

i think ur dragon is pretty fun

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/bunnyjoburton/status/1889744290475037179?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Bedlam Reveler Caster (@BunnyJoBurton) on X

Solitude is going to die for this card's sins like Bridge From Below died for Hogaak's, isn't it?

Pitch elemental sc@m is going to purged from this format😔

X · Feb 12, 2025, 6:32 PM

Stay woke

[steady onyx]

bro i just gave u the standard drapgn asthetic

maybe im wrong tho

but ur dragon feels like clasical dragon

maybe shiva

shivan

i found this on my yo it ube shorts

this looks funnto

[trail anvil]

am I missing something, wouldn't that just burn yourself

[zinc shard]

Lotus gives mana to target player

[[Radiant Lotus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/240/radiant-lotus

Radiant Lotus <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
, Sacrifice one or more artifacts: Choose a color. Target player adds three mana of the chosen color for each artifact sacrificed this way.
After devastation, hope bloomed.

[glad peak]

I sure love saccing my entire board that I painstakingly set up for a couple turns to kill 1 person for no reason

[golden plover]

I love how much people are coping on Radiant Lotus

I'm yet to see anything they're doing with this card that isn't shit lol

I don't even know why people are coping so hard. Is it because it has the word "Lotus" in its name?

[gritty nest]

Yes

[golden plover]

I wonder what it'll stabilize at

Bad commander players will be keeping it over $20 I think

But it's like a $5 card at best realistically

[gritty nest]

“It’s a lotus it must be good right”

I’d run it in my saheeli deck purely because I can cheat it out and sacrifice tokens for some extra mana

Other than that I see no use for it

[trail anvil]

ah

[golden plover]

Yeah cheating it in is okay, but I still feel like there's nothing it does KCI doesn't

[gritty nest]

KCI?

KrarkClan Ironworks

[golden plover]

[[Kark Clan Ironworks]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/134/krark-clan-ironworks

Krark-Clan Ironworks <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Sacrifice an artifact: Add .
All the junk, refuse, and offal of the Krark Clan is diligently collected, melted down, and made into more junk, refuse, and offal.

[gritty nest]

Yea

The only upside is it adds 1 additional per artifact and the mana is colored to begin with, no filtering or anything

[golden plover]

Yeah but it has to tap to do it

[gritty nest]

True, it’s not that great still either way

[steady onyx]

but its funny

[glad peak]

you know what else is funny

goblin charbelcher turbo

heck, that's much more funny

[golden plover]

Wait Japanese Foil Archive Faithless Lootings are $50 a pop? I've got a playset of them I bought for $10 each

[sleek ferry]

Still 0 gas guzzlers 80 packs in

[twilit canyon]

have you thought about just buying the gas guzzlers atp

[golden plover]

Fuck I didn't wanna play Mr Foxglove CEDH but his edhrec number is funny and I have to

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/capitalism-colbert-stephen-gif-20468169

[glad peak]

[[mr foxglove]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/6/mr-foxglove

Mr. Foxglove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Fox Rogue
Lifelink
Whenever Mr. Foxglove attacks, draw cards equal to the number of cards in defending player's hand minus the number of cards in your hand. If you didn't draw cards this way, you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
3/5

[glad peak]

Isn’t this just big stuff tribal?

[past socket]

Everybody gangsta until Mr Foxglove whips out the Jin-Gitaxias

[sleek ferry]

I have 20 different deck ideas right now, it shouldn’t be this hard to pull a rare

[gritty nest]

Do you guys think token doublers should have been on the game changers list?

[steady onyx]

no

[gritty nest]

whys that

[glad peak]

not good enough tbh

[gritty nest]

they generically just say token decks get twice as much of what theyre doing though?

[golden plover]

He's stax, draw shit and drop bigger guys for free

[glad peak]

yeah, and they're token decks

[twilit canyon]

2x0 = 0

[zinc shard]

it is literally .30 cents

[gritty nest]

yes

[golden plover]

Honestly half the game changers shouldn't be on the game changers

Grand Arbiter Augustin? Jin Gitaxias?

[steady onyx]

and some cards that arent should be on

[steady onyx]

lord high

like comeon

this feels targeted

😭

[gritty nest]

what

[golden plover]

Augustin is a 4 mana do nothing

Also, Jeska's Will deserves it, but it's kinda the only way red can keep up

[gritty nest]

i dont understand why lord high artificer shouldnt be on the game changers

[steady onyx]

sorry

i was meming

ill stop now

[gritty nest]

im going to shit yourself

[glad peak]

sounds about right, fits in with the thing that wotc keeps printing stax commanders

[golden plover]

Yeah unfortunately

[glad peak]

commander really is just a battle of stax vs "not" stax (cards that give you advantage whenever someone does something)

[sudden lava]

God that first game with upgraded living energy was amazing

Managed to win via the power of gearhulk and thopters

[gritty nest]

how'd you upgrade it? like the route you took

[sudden lava]

https://moxfield.com/decks/hEMm4w2lBkWGFsnc72eiFQ/history

added better ramp for one, a good protective spell (heroic intervention), a few of my favorite artificers

even an octomancer and synth eradicator

[trail anvil]

idk augustin just feels cancer

[glad peak]

trust me, it's not lol

he's annoying but after you get rid of him (and yes eventually you'll get rid of him, he takes forever to do anything) then you can run all over him

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1339793275963576370/relevant-xkcd-v0-9rlcaimynyie1.webp?ex=67b00339&is=67aeb1b9&hm=2690102c84a79ec86f007edb7718dc382bcef2b0934f9e7b2cc373c91dfece39&=&format=webp&width=902&height=352

[twilit canyon]

lol

[gritty nest]

why ageless innovator? favorite or a specific purpose?

[sudden lava]

favorite

[gritty nest]

[[!amped raptor]]