I'm more so commenting that it's a waste of the artist
#Magic the Gathering
lusty trench
lusty trench
Mark is best when he's doing landscapes
golden plover
Weird ass choice from the art director
Looks like a team yell grunt
Wait... Why is this guy a human actually??? Winter is supposed to be the only human on Duskmorn's team because he's forced to from Valgavoth
Avishkar was also right there to keep them in blue
sleek ferry
X
twilit canyon
this isnt as bad as i expected
trail anvil
prowess feels like a weird keyword to fit on here for me considering I imagine this wants to be blinked
golden plover
Honestly this feels pretty solid
A 2/5 double strike with prowess is pretty decent on it's one and it removes threats
Here's the set's "guys mill is real" card
lusty trench
A third from the top seems really annoying
Oh third from the top not a third
I wish I could read properly man
golden plover
Imo Riptide looks like the best one for limited so far
And I'm convinced the Dimir one is the best one in constructed rn
People are shitting on that card because they can't read, but it's good as hell
lusty trench
Only issue I have with the dimir one is cost but there's so much fixing in standard it doesn't seem like an issue
golden plover
The Dimir one either takes their best card and makes aggro lose or replaces your worst card, and again, makes aggro lose
Huh standard card with affinity
twilit canyon
A 2/5 double strike with prowess is pretty decent on it's one and it removes thr...
it was better than expected but i was expecting abyssmal dogshit so
twilit canyon
https://preview.redd.it/nv9pscwjzjfe1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=e87e2c96fce3754492f15f113...
this is kind of crazy
idk if modern affinity wants it but its not terribly far off
golden plover
It feels pretty costly unless you're doing crazy reductions but it's neat
Does modern affinity play white? I can't see them splashing for it
golden plover
I'm also not sure what voyage home does for you [[Thoughtcast]] doesn't
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Sorcery
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs 
less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Draw two cards.
Vedalken eyes don't see the beauty in things. They see only what those things can teach.
twilit canyon
Does modern affinity play white? I can't see them splashing for it
they can play wubrg at no cost
golden plover
Sure it's 1 more card and the lifegain, but it's an extra colored pip
2 mana is a lot more than 1
twilit canyon
you dont splash
you already play wubrg for no effort
the extra mana is the detriment
fallow citrus
idk if modern affinity wants it but its not terribly far off
I think now we have mopal it's playable
cause it's what 2 more than thoughtcast
which is fine now we have more 0 cost artifacts to shit out
twilit canyon
yea and affinity has always been able to reliably play wubrg for any splash for any meta calls
i think this card will be playable
fallow citrus
maybe like as thoughtcast 5 or even 6
glad peak
12cast let’s goooo
golden plover
He's definitely that
Still have yet to see anything that justifies me wanting to play speed ngl
If he had menace or trample maybe?
zinc shard
yea it can only go up by 1 per turn
gritty nest
when an opponent loses life, you get 1 speed that turn, it caps at 4
rigid scarab
Oh you know what
100% they were tossing the idea of you losing 1 speed on turns where an opponent doesnt lose life
Then one guy raised his hand and said
“We dont want another day/night”
lusty trench
Oh hey card that cares about your speed beyond it being max
gritty nest
@glad peak i added more details when it comes to 2 color and mono color themes, maybe not perfect but should help
sudden lava
Oh hey card that cares about your speed beyond it being max
we've seen others
Also huge flavor fail on this card
speed demon, but where is it's haste?
twilit canyon
Oh hey card that cares about your speed beyond it being max
max speed is 4
lusty trench
Yeah I didn't word that great
sudden lava
So at minimum this is a 5 mana 5/5 flying trample that SYEs and draws you 1 card+pings self for one at end step
blue artifact does blue thing
golden plover
This feels really underwhelming
zinc shard
oh nice Mario Kart reference
golden plover
This should've blown them up smh
sleek ferry
X
golden plover
This one really feels like it should've been a dwarf
Still wild to me there's no dwarves in the set
And we would have gotten less soulless art lol
Decent draft card I guess
lusty trench
Wild that I would've thought this was from a different game if not for the pyramids on the background
last glen
why is he so mario-looking
straight up thought he was holding a Koopa shell before I looked closer
trail anvil
reminds me of Freddie Mercury
zinc shard
trail anvil
speedbump
lmao
lusty trench
Dear lord this is gonna be annoying in limited
last glen
damn it curves into itself
zinc shard
went to LGS for commander night for the first time in yaers, had a blast.
Played the Caesar Legion precon and actually won a pod, that deck is solid
past socket
My first time at an LGS was with a Fallout precon too
Though it was the Mothman one
Didn’t win but came close
last glen
not dinosaur support
just big dinosaurs for the mana cost
unfortunate
on the plus side
another crocodile card
zinc shard
are we not getting a white or blue creature?
sudden lava
we dont know yet
"cycle" implies all 5 colors, so high chance we will get a blue and a white one
copper pecan
very interested to see if tyrus is good enough for constructed
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1333666791184011284...
wizards asking that "how big can we make the stats until vanilla creatures get played" question
that said why are they doing the green one dirty when there's a 5 mana 8/8 in this same set
zinc shard
need to see what 1 mana haste enablers are in standard, cuz I dont see this being able to swing in on turn 3
past socket
Didn’t that already get answered with Yargle and Multani?
trail anvil
yargle is high mana though, it's really just a voltron commander
past socket
Fair
trail anvil
we had a meta 3 mana 7/6 with downside before, but losing that much toughness is pretty oof
last glen
guess they don't want a three drop with that much attack that survives shock
trail anvil
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epic ball collision
3WW
Sorcery
All creatures and Vehicles lose indestructible until end of turn. Then destroy all creatures and Vehicles.
Cycling 2
The first four collisions were accidents, then The End Riders joined in for some fun.
not exile removal like sunfall but cleanly answers the board in the unlikely event of a vehicle meta and cycling is really nice for mainboarding
subtle sierra
The english name is "Fuck it, we ball"
golden plover
They should ban This Town. I don't wanna play the Dimir Mirror anymore
Mirror doesn't feel like the better player wins. Feels like whoever drew This Town first wins it
copper pecan
[[this town]]
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Instant
This spell costs 
less to cast if it targets a permanent you control.
Return up to two target nonland permanents to their owners' hands.
"All that fancy footwork, and you can't even dodge one silly little rope? Cryin' shame, that is."
copper pecan
?
golden plover
?
Bounces your Stormchasers Talent, Hopeless Nightmare, or Nowhere to Run and their biggest card every turn
Well there's other routes with it too based on how much mana you've got up
It's too good with the cheap interaction enchantments Dimir is playing
copper pecan
if you don't want to play the mirror just don't play dimir
twilit canyon
there are more than enough good decks in standard to not have to play the mirror
golden plover
Dimir is by far the best deck in the format, has too many tools
I could swap, but it's the most consistently good deck and hence why it's kinda doing too much
twilit canyon
i dont agree by far
its probably not even best deck
you can make very reasonable arguements for a lot of other decks
sudden lava
zinc shard
copper pecan
wait didn't they have to ban a card that was this at 4 mana before?
zinc shard
[[Wilderness Reclamation]]
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trail anvil
[[wilderness reclamation]] is much different
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trail anvil
lands are important
subtle sierra
i shall untap my powestones...
trail anvil
this is a reference to [[dramatic reversal]] , even in art
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golden plover
Hey it's fringe EDH playable then
Dramatic Reversal is much better since you can imprint it on an isochron scepter and abuse that
trail anvil
is jace actually in this race
zinc shard
you could play [[Enduring Vitality]] to get a similar effect to Reclamation, but they're both 3 mana so not the best
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Enchantment Creature — Elk Glimmer
Vigilance
Creatures you control have "
: Add one mana of any color."
When Enduring Vitality dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
3/3
trail anvil
I mean if you wanna do that just play temur otters at that point
not only do they have a bunch of untapping but also a dramatic reversal style infinite combo
golden plover
Temur otters doesn't want to run this anyways tho
trail anvil
yeah of course not
golden plover
Since it's another brick for their combo
But hey, fringe EDH playable
Looking forward to the reddit threads about how counterspell tribal with this card is too good
trail anvil
I doubt it, this kind of effect has been printed many times before
[[drumbellower]] recently
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golden plover
But not in blue
trail anvil
if you want a more direct parallel to this then intruder alarm
but that also just has obvious combos
glad peak
Oh hey the bw god works in the critical mass of banishing lights deck
Just jam all of those and a bunch of rituals (plus maybe stax pieces), 1 combo and you got a deck
sudden lava
golden plover
It goes infinite stupid easy
But it's very much a commander card
Was hoping for black lotus, but for max speed
gritty nest
How does it go infinite?
golden plover
Not sure off the top of my head, but you just have to sacc 2 tokens to pay it back
This guy's stat line is HELLA PUSHED
Jesus
twilit canyon
thats kind of a vanilla 3 mana 5/4
we've had better before
[[steel-leaf champion]]
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golden plover
He's a side grade to steel leaf
Who was so pushed in his standard we didn't see the statline again for 7 years
Also, he's 1GG instead of GGG, making him easier to splash
copper pecan
wait i just realized this is almost word for word [[rev the extractor]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you attack, target creature gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token, then look at the top card of that player's library and exile it face down. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled. (A Treasure token is an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
3/3
copper pecan
i like that gonti has a consistent mechanical identity but this does feel a bit too similar to the first one
golden plover
Yeah, I like that Gonti always does the stealing thing
But... I wish they'd give them more unique effects too
Ehh close enough
Welcome back Baleful Strix
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1333859615712084039/...
everyone is ragavan, welcome to group theft
I kinda wanna run this as a commander
worth noting it doesn't say one or more lmao
trail anvil
that certainly is a green card
golden plover
Wow that's.... Nothing
twilit canyon
crew 4 is hilarious
last glen
https://preview.redd.it/aukifmkhzrfe1.png?auto=webp&s=bf6d3cf2e6ba2794e235dea020...
poggers
Dinosaur support
barren cairn
i'm probably gonna run it in poq
poqchamp
golden plover
Surprised this wasn't the white one
sleek ferry
The new lotus can sac itself
golden plover
Yeah but also notably it's not a mana ability
It can be stifled, hit with stuff like Karn or Collector Ouphe, or Tishana's Tidebinder
Funnily enough, it actually can be responded to with [[Deflecting Swat]]
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golden plover
Whoops, my 24 mana now
sleek ferry
I was going to say, the funnier thing is deflecting swat
golden plover
I'd love to pull that off. It'd be funny
Uh oh guys, they're gonna have to ban this one in commander
glad peak
To set expectations we will do nothing to help with expectations thank you
golden plover
Probably gonna be more of the bracket stuff
glad peak
Probably yeah, that was their major project from the last time
golden plover
I'm still not sold on the brackets tho
glad peak
But the wording “to set expectations” usually doesn’t come with “we’re going to do nothing” lol
golden plover
It feels like it's gonna go from "my deck is a 7" to "yeah my deck is bracket 3"
I guess more concrete cards will be in a specific bracket, but it feels like it's just gonna be the same "rule 0 talk" thing
copper pecan
past socket
H O N S E
copper pecan
this is probably too slow to be good but it's cool that white can just tutor anything onto the battlefield now as long as it costs 3 or less
trail anvil
saddle 4 is big but damn a search
lusty trench
Dear lord that card is gonna be annoying as shit in limited
glad peak
Now that I think about it, the banishing lights deck is going to be a casual menace but way too slow for cedh
It’s a 2 card necro with the commander but 9 mana to start it
golden plover
I'm gonna lose to that shit all the time in limited
golden plover
The more I think about this card the more I think it kinda sucks
Each artifact has to be the same color so you can't sacc 20 treasures and get 60 WUBRG
golden plover
If it didn't tap, could split the color, or had affinity maybe
fallow citrus
if it was a different card it would be better, I agree
lusty trench
golden plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1333919203421323398/...
Notably this can get Oculus in standard
I'm... Not sure what deck would want to do that, but it gives oculus another playline
copper pecan
Notably this can get Oculus in standard
golden plover
Use one to get Oculus and use the manifested guys to saddle it?
copper pecan
i feel like this is probably a good card
idk if it has a home in standard but people will absolutely run this in commander at the very least
trail anvil
oh it doesn't say one or more cards too, so it triggers multiple times off mass discard 
copper pecan
new one with nothing payoff
zinc shard
this is... interesting
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golden plover
Also Special Guests, so it doesn't change format legality
trail anvil
the art is super unique but not my cup of tea
gritty nest
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1333859615712084039/...
[[!gonti, canny acquisitor]] moment
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gritty nest
https://i.redd.it/jsrsqoflbsfe1.jpeg
[[Alistair]] beckons it
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you cast a historic spell, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Whenever Alistair attacks, you may pay 
. If you do, creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of historic permanents you control.
3/3
sleek ferry
Gonti should have let you have the choice to exile the card or not
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Creature — Demon
Flying
Whenever you cycle or discard another card, put a -1/-1 counter on each creature your opponents control.
Cycling 
(, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
5/4
copper pecan
love archfiend of ifnir
sleek ferry
I wonder if Simic ramp has some legs in standard now
trail anvil
what cards make you wanna run it
man selesnya auras are fuckin nuts in the midweek magic event, gladecover scout is legitimately unremovable in the format
sleek ferry
[[skyserpent seeker]]
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trail anvil
if you mean the one that grabs a land on attack I don't think that vehicle is standard viable
sleek ferry
It’s enter or attacks
trail anvil
oh it is hm
my biggest problem with both of these is neither triggers outcaster trailblazer, vaultborn tyrant or beans
zinc shard
thats a reprint
should've clarified, was talking about the art
trail anvil
overcosted boseiju with a creature on the other side
obviously goes straight into insect commander decks but do you think more uncounterable removal will let this see play elsewhere?
glad peak
Wtf it’s a 2 mana 3/3 with a bunch of upside
last glen
also this one draws you a card and doesn't give your opponent a land
clever sun
The land part is not a real detriment to Boseiju given it would otherwise strip mine your opponent
This is very solid still
zinc shard
sudden lava
zinc shard
Strictly better unsummon
"Wax-Form Thief" - 3U
Creature - Shapeshifter (Rare)
Flash
You may have this enter as a copy of a creature or artifact you control.
Cycling 2
0/0
sudden lava
gyruda card ^
trail anvil
crew 6 is wild, but can't have it in the hands of greasefang players ig
lusty trench
Who would win
A skilled driver who has won hundreds of races proving himself time and time again
Or
One greasy girl
fallow citrus
isn't greasefang a she
trail anvil
one greasy girl
golden plover
I have no clue how to evaluate this card for limited. Obviously it's completely unplayable in constructed.
I feel like it's obviously dog shit but I feel like I'm also going to lose a game to it where a guy gets like four of them
last glen
brain check
once you have speed, Start Your Engines doesn't do anything, correct?
zinc shard
correct
trail anvil
in theory in commander you might be able to get to 3 speed to put this above rate but it just doesn't seem worth the struggle. is there a limited ramp archetype?
trail anvil
speed just seems too slow in every format outside of a few cards. I still think the demon is fine cause draw 1 lose 1 on its body is okay
golden plover
And Simic has a bit of ramp
But speed is... Not there
Funny how speed is such a slow ass mechanic
trail anvil
yeah limiting it to your turn only opt really slowed it down
golden plover
It probably was anyone's turn in testing and pings were too good in limited
But like, now it's just unplayable because 4 turns mininmum to get shit online is... Bad
trail anvil
yeah it just feels like many cards aren't even worth max speed
I think the good speed cards are the ones that function under max speed in general
golden plover
Yeah, they're the best ones
trail anvil
outside of ones like this one that just suck anyways
golden plover
But even then, it's tough to get them online
There's also not enough cards that do anything at 2-3 speed
It's all max speed outside of like 3 cards
trail anvil
I meant more like stuff that does stuff otherwise too
golden plover
And of them, only demon seems fine
trail anvil
the orzhov zombie is opt surveil but it's still sac + surveil
the demon is 100% gonna be used as a boring value commander
that wu artifact card seems decent too just cause it's a 2 drop that can draw a ton of removal
copper pecan
i'm gonna run it in mycotyrant
zinc shard
zinc shard
Artifact Creature - Construct
Menace, Deathtouch
When this creature enters the battlefield, put a creature card in a graveyard with mana value 4 or less onto the battlefield with a finality counter on it. That creature has menace, deathtouch and haste. At the beginning of your next end step, exile that creature.
trail anvil
I feel like you want to use this with cards that have effects on damage, do we have many good ones in this standard
I feel like most good creatures aren't like that
at least it pulls from any graveyard fwiw
twilit canyon
i'd pay 4 for this and i wouldnt be happy about it
steady onyx
is that new 6 card lotus thing good?
it seemed good to me but idk if its like bait or smt
esp in commander in smt like
my artifact urza spam
deck
fallow citrus
any lotus card printed recently that isn't lotus petal or jeweled lotus is probably bad
golden plover
Jeweled Lotus is bad because it doesn't work in any format tho
glad peak
It’s very very bad
Like impressively bad
If it was a mana ability and we didn’t have to tap it, then it’d be broken
fallow citrus
~~Jeweled Lotus is bad because it doesn't work in any format tho~~
it being banned in commander means it cannot be bad
copper pecan
i guess they didn't want people to use it with greasefang
trail anvil
I mean this just seems like a good goblin regardless, but do they really want a lategame mana source?
I'm surprised this card is only uncommon for a finisher
golden plover
Damn, if it was like 1-2 mana less greasefang might play 1
Just as a "sometimes greasefang is dead and this gets you all your parhelions at once"
Well, a parhelion, 1-2 banks busters, and a skysovereign
Wait... Limited finisher tech: Cycle 2-3 [[Clamorous Ironclad]] and gg
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Artifact — Vehicle
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Crew 3 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 3 or more: This Veh becomes an artifact creature end of turn.)
Cycling 
(, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
6/3
golden plover
Astral Drift is crunched out of Aetherdrift smh
trail anvil
its honestly really niche and kind of bad so
you think so? I figure with all the vehicles in this set it would be super easy to get a ton of them powered up at once for a game ending swing
turns every vehicle you control into a creature and brings back any that died for the turn, and doesn't even exile them
sleek ferry
I can’t believe they made salvation engine significantly worse because they didn’t want to give greasefang another tool, who doesn’t enjoy greasefang
glad peak
Astral Drift is crunched out of Aetherdrift smh
Nah that’s for aetherdrift 3: aether drift
zinc shard
copper pecan
is this not just [[bitter reunion]] but worse
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When Bitter Reunion enters, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.
, Sacrifice Bitter Reunion: Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn.
The peace summit proved the grudge between Urza and Mishra could end only in blood.
copper pecan
i guess it doesn't cost mana to do the haste thing but like
it's way easier to pay 1 mana than it is to get to 4 speed
golden plover
Made it out of my funk
Last match was RIDICULOUSLY close
Dude was on Boros anthem and hast enabler turbo
sleek ferry
Ukkima food chain catching strays @twilit canyon https://youtube.com/shorts/RQqVf2t7JSY?si=v0n6aok4zKk9vCnj
zinc shard
zinc shard
zinc shard
trail anvil
yeah I mean, obligatory reprints
that art doesn't really feel like a spell pierce though
trail anvil
did this rotate
twilit canyon
yes
trail anvil
didn't even realize lol
zinc shard
golden plover
They should print [[Choice of Damnations]] into standard again
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copper pecan
why would they ever not just pick 1
last glen
If they pick one, you choose for them to sacrifice down to one permanent.
If they pick a big number (like the number of permanents they have), then you choose the damage.
copper pecan
If they pick one, you choose for them to sacrifice down to one permanent.
oh i misread the card
i thought it was "they sacrifice that many permanents," not "they sacrifice all but that many permanents"
golden plover
Damn, this one didn't get pushed stats
We already had a 2 mana 3/3 in the form of [[Kalonian Tusker]]
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trail anvil
https://preview.redd.it/r0fc2wvbobge1.png?width=873&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f11c...
it is an artifact creature at least
clever sun
We already had a 2 mana 3/3 in the form of [[Kalonian Tusker]]
This one is just a one and a white though
Not good enough (any of the Vanillas really) but they have neat statlines.
copper pecan
to be fair this can crew almost every vehicle in the set for just 2 mana
that's pretty relevant for limited
clever sun
Yeah I mean for constructed
In limited I'd actually still be a bit hesitant to take a pure 3/3 for 2
golden plover
I still wish he was at least a 3/4
Artifact is a downside, especially in this limited
copper pecan
a 2 mana 3/4 at uncommon would be way too good in limited
also the azorius archetype is artifacts matter so that's not a downside
lusty trench
3/4 is the premier stat line
it's such a choke point in terms of bridging the gap between the early-mid to mid-late
sudden lava
I knew this would spike in price
lusty trench
Bro needs his iron
golden plover
Wonder if he'll be good this time around too
golden plover
Huh... So if you don't have max speed the ability... Doesn't exist?? Meaning max speed cards don't qualify for Zirda. That's... Weird
trail anvil
I knew this would spike in price
wasn't this card pennies before, jesus
trail anvil
https://x.com/mtgsecretlair/status/1885374265945448534?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOh...
wow that 3d effect is nice
sudden lava
was about a dollar before, but yeah that is a pretty nasty spike
lusty trench
The emphasis was moreso on the colourless dark ritual
last glen
brain check
is this better than sol ring in decks that don't have untaps
lusty trench
Depends on if the one extra mana helps lead into a combo but usually not
Still "worse than sol ring" is an insanely common prospect
It's literally mana vault
trail anvil
oops I forgot to play a ranked game this season
trail anvil
It's literally mana vault
it's not mana vault but if you can blink it, then you get more value out of it
last glen
what's the downside compared to sol ring
other than the exhaust SOPT
trail anvil
it's more similar to black lotus otherwise
last glen
[[Sol Ring]]
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Artifact
: Add 
.
"I'm not saying I'm sure it's a trap. I'm just saying it wasn't there yesterday and I'm pretty sure I heard it whisper my name. If you're so curious, you touch it." —Angus, survivor scout
trail anvil
exhaust isn't once per turn, it's once per game
lusty trench
it's not mana vault but if you can blink it, then you get more value out of it
Paying the 4 for mana vault is uncommon, mainly just an infinite mana creator, and that's not why most use it
trail anvil
fair enough
zinc shard
4 mana is quite a lot, but it doesn't let your opponent replace copies exiled from their hand
golden plover
They should print force of will into historic
trail anvil
daily "they don't want free spells in historic" reminder
golden plover
But I wanna protect my combo
zinc shard
Wizards really loves these "When you draw your second card each turn, make a token" cards
trail anvil
🤔
gritty nest
Picked up a card
sudden lava
glad peak
Oh sweet they’re doing pretty interesting 3c stuff
sudden lava
2c you mean?
gritty nest
Jeskai can work theoretically
glad peak
i mean 3c
trail anvil
3c more like :3c
polar lake
https://preview.redd.it/olohwaqprcge1.png?auto=webp&s=ba33ba5f4e6afa4661e02a32c1...
damn huge for a stupid pauper affinity deck
twilit canyon
unfortunate username given the latest events
also damn testing historic elves this deck is so fucking feast or famine
its miserable
trail anvil
isn't that just how elves are, pray the opp doesn't have board wipes
twilit canyon
its way worse in historic rn
zinc shard
Idk if this got posted but it seems pretty good
It gets you to 2 speed on turn 2 and helps the Lizard deck
gritty nest
Thoughts on start your engines/max speed for commander?
golden plover
also damn testing historic elves this deck is so fucking feast or famine
You preparing for the opens this month?
I'm not sure what historic looks like, but I'm thinking of playing both
I've got my deck picked out, but I don't know what my answers in the side need to be
glad peak
Speed looks decent in stax but only as a way to win faster
Even then, not great
Unless there are some really undercosted speed cards that help with locking avenues of play
twilit canyon
You preparing for the opens this month?
retesting historic stuff in general
golden plover
Fair. Wasn't sure if you were considering the open at all
twilit canyon
open is something i try and play no matter what anyways so testing for it specifically kinda wastes time to me
sudden lava
Thoughts on start your engines/max speed for commander?
if you have a consistent way to start it early, its good
golden plover
Disagree
Speed is actually worse in commander than 1v1
Because you've gotta go a full turn roation each time
So 4 whole turn roations, or 16 turns at the earliest to get speed alive... is BAD
golden plover
Oh my bad 12 turns
Still a stupidly long time to have to play cards to get very little payoffs
sudden lava
Best speed commander is Samut with vehicles
sleek ferry
Building this in standard https://x.com/saffronolive/status/1884981343215362416?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
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Been a while since I’ve wanted to play a mono red deck
glad peak
Best speed commander is going to be stax
golden plover
Best speed commander is gonna be none
Samut is playable as a stax piece because she discounts your stax cards
But she's in Naya
last glen
The speed payoffs are not impactful enough for a four turn clock
and not from game start
from starting ur engine
twilit canyon
if we started speed from pre-game sure
golden plover
Even then I feel like they'd suck
Speed should have been any turn so you can ping opponents in their turns to get speed up
twilit canyon
any turn?
maybe thats too fast
though i guess
meh
u can easily edit the max speed reqs for some cards as a result
golden plover
Yeah could've bumped speed up to 5-6 and made it any turn
Since as is, 4 of your turns is a big ask
twilit canyon
nah i meant like some of the stronger cards with max speed would have increased speed asks
others an stay at 4
golden plover
Fair. I just think speed looks terrible, probably even in limited too
It looks like Selesnya and Boros are the colors you're gonna wanna be in, maybe Dimir or Izzet
pulsar talon
I think it would be nice if some cards became online at like
2-3 speed
Just so you have something to do before 4
trail anvil
yeah the decision to put 95% of the speed cards only at max speed is weird to me
golden plover
There's a few, but one is mythic and the rest suck
Actually there's only two
And the other is that green ramp one you don't wanna be playing
trail anvil
I feel like this mechanic should've been mostly rakdos tbh, feels weird in other colors that don't do damage as reliably
maybe blue/white gets through with flyer damage but it still sounds slow to me
golden plover
Three, forgot [[Momentum Breaker]]
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Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
When this enchantment enters, each opponent sacrifices a creature or Vehicle of their choice. Each opponent who can't discards a card.
, Sacrifice this enchantment: You gain life equal to your speed.
trail anvil
I think using this over tithing blade is justifiable
gritty nest
https://moxfield.com/decks/iULFcX0tL0OYeRa10_GCRA Do you guys think counterspells would be a dumb idea in Zethi? I'm trying to find cards to cut and a bit stumped on what to cut
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AUGUSTIIIIIIN
gritty nest
what plains and islands do you guys think I could use for [[!Chun-Li, Countless Kicks]]?
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ornate cedar
I just watched CGB’s and Rarran’s covering of Aetherdrift
This set is really boring
Not even bad just kind of …. Eh
golden plover
I feel like it's gonna be this years MKM
Worst selling set, with like 5 cards that see play in various formats
ornate cedar
I feel like it's gonna be this years MKM
I agree with this. Watch the FF7 set be the biggest meta shakeup of the year
clever sun
There's more than five good cards here but yeah it does seem low impact overall. It's fine just unexciting and no story beats or art really pops.
sleek ferry
There's more than five good cards here but yeah it does seem low impact overall....
I think this set is significantly better than release MKM tbh
sleek ferry
Release mkm was people coping on the most dogshit cards
clever sun
It has provided some decent cards right now but that set was ass
copper pecan
[[a killer among us]] is the greatest card of all time wym
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sleek ferry
I think aetherdrift will have a surprising amount of cards being used with others aging well into the format
I’m particularly interested in the impact for green ramp decks, can we actually make mono green usable again
twilit canyon
okay testing historic is kinda fucked
im p sure im settled on a couple of decks but its very hard to truly test the format
too many low ladder trash players
im like 604 mythic and i still pair into plat
😭
gotta refine this. still debating on ring/no ring. emrakul/no emrakul. newlamog/oldlamog, committing to temur or cutting blue
i think ring is a trap in historic for this deck
everything else tho im still debating on
golden plover
I've seen this a couple times so far in diamond. It's good but I'm not sold on it
Although I guess I'm interacting on an axis it doesn't play into. Haven't lost to it yet
I will say it's one of the few decks I've seen that does have the chance to stop us tbh
twilit canyon
its very able to be tuned to whatever and has infinite tools to interact
golden plover
Why [[Soulless Jailer]] over Graffdiggers
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golden plover
Surely graffdiggers is better, right?
1 cheaper and harder to remove
Although I guess Jailer hits plotted cards?
trail anvil
[[grafdigger's cage]]
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trail anvil
also prevents reanimating noncreature permanents, idk how relevant that is
trail anvil
Although I guess Jailer hits plotted cards?
only noncreature ones
golden plover
How relevant is that in historic? I've only seen the Mono-Green card get plotted and a few auras
twilit canyon
jailer as a blocker is underrated vs energy as well as hurting raptor or amulet if they are on that too
golden plover
Oh I guess that's where the exile matters, yeah
Huh, I can see it now, but still don't know if I love it over cage
twilit canyon
keep in mind this deck is also nutting out mana
the difference between 1 or 2 is irrelevant in most scenarios
and it forces prismatic ending to spend 2 mana over 1
golden plover
That's fair
gritty nest
I was teasing a $30 vintage deck I made and I could theoretically kill my opponent on turn 2
ornate cedar
https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/167/a-killer-among-us
Wow this is so easy to cheat with
glad peak
Nah you’re supposed to write it down elsewhere before revealing it
ornate cedar
That’s a better idea haha
I could see people just being like “nah trust me bro, I definitely chose merfolk”
glad peak
It’s how stuff like [[goblin game]] gets resolved nowadays
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rigid scarab
It’s how stuff like [[goblin game]] gets resolved nowadays
They just write a number or
glad peak
Yep
glad peak
It’s a pretty good idea of the infinite prisoner’s dilemma if you can somehow copy it a bunch
rigid scarab
Rayo's number copied 12 times
golden plover
So according to the draft pros who are testing the set in draftsim and tabletop already... Speed is largely unplayable
trail anvil
if they do actually encourage alternate playstyles with achievements then I'm down for it
copper pecan
i hope they ban it in brawl too
twilit canyon
they had already told us that chrome mox was dead immediately in historic
twilit canyon
i hope they ban it in brawl too
100%
i should double check the special guests for timeless/historic actually
zinc shard
zinc shard
Nice pulls today
steady onyx
yoo thats a cool cardo
trail anvil
oh boy, another must run card this time in every deck
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That Throne be Roaming
copper pecan
glad peak
what a terrible day to know how to read
golden plover
Lame the snapcaster Miku is a super rare bonus card and not the winter bonus
Cool that art is $6k now
This is the winter bonus
Gross art and unplayable card (Throne of Eldraine draft common? Really?)
Also they fucked with the order of the collectors numbers to specifically cause whales to chase it. The last drop was 806, Snapcaster is 807. This is 804
lusty trench
Bruh
golden plover
God forbid a $20 card be a bonus card in a lair
gritty nest
Reprint equity or some bullshit excuse to say try and hide the fact they glare at the secondary market sometimes
zinc shard
Midweek magic is fun
golden plover
Historic is not a real format
There's like 0 actual decks people are playing here lol
trail anvil
isn't it more popular than explorer too
sleek ferry
Historic’s popularity peaked in 2023
Standard is realistically the only “real” format mtga has
If you’re looking strictly for competitive games
golden plover
Yeah for sure. I'm only on historic rn because the next qualifier is historic
Wanted to learn the format, but it seems like it'll just be a free event?
There's a pod deck that's like... Kinda real but it's way slower than what I'm doing
sleek ferry
Funnily enough, Brawl is close to passing Historic
And as we all know, brawl is a Komi format
golden plover
I'll take my free qualifier in historic and move back to standard next month
But this has been really telling how bad the decks are in historic rn
Surely there's good decks that can be made with the card pool
twilit canyon
Funnily enough, Brawl is close to passing Historic
commander ruined magic
golden plover
Weird ass Secret Lair
Hard as hell to read. And I kinda hate that the vehicles don't look like their regular versions at all
Like why make it mechtitan if it's just gonna be a random thing
I'm 99% sure this was gonna be the showcase treatment for Aetherdrift but then they gave up on it and so all the slush art got given to random vehicles for the secret lair
sudden lava
the mech titan looks so bad
zinc shard
So wait does it actually come with the toys or is it just pictures?
sudden lava
So wait does it actually come with the toys or is it just pictures?
Its a card with a 3D effect (like the below Chucky card)
trail anvil
And as we all know, brawl is a Komi format
ngl brawl has been feeling a lot worse as of late
everything's been cut out for efficiency despite there being no ranked queue, so some strategies are just impossible because they're not well supported enough on arena and you get matched into something like nashi or tasigur
copper pecan
i've been matched up against tasigur a lot lately and i still don't know what the deck's win condition is because they usually end up scooping before they can do it lmao
glad peak
Depends but in cedh it’s usually eldritch evo tasigur into nezahal
Then just beat them down and maybe stumble into a combo
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the funny blue dino!
trail anvil
they usually just do sultai value pile in brawl. removal, counters, etc into extra turn spells
sleek ferry
Just give us mtga 2 so we can do away with brawl and give us actual commander
trail anvil
eh, brawl means you can play any degree of degenerate shit you want and nobody complains but commander allows for a wider array of strategies
glad peak
commander's more like you can play any degree of degenerate shit you want and everybody complains no matter what
sleek ferry
Well if they implement this tier shit, they can easily just divide commander like that
Also if we’re going to do 1 on 1 commander, Canadian highlander is the farly superior 1v1 singleton format
glad peak
i wish more people played canlander
zinc shard
copper pecan
commander's more like you can play any degree of degenerate shit you want and ev...
it's not about people complaining, it's about roping
a 4 player format where people can rope sounds terrible
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Doing something of the Dimir guild for a limit of Ravnica guild Commanders. Unsure between [[Lazav, the Multifarious]] and [[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind]]
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When Lazav, the Multifarious enters, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
: Lazav, the Multifarious becomes a copy of target creature card in your graveyard with mana value X, except its name is Lazav, the Multifarious, it's legendary in addition to its other types, and it has this ability.
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zinc shard
I'd say Multifarious, want more control over what im copying
sleek ferry
goblins being playable in standard is pretty fun ngl
I can see why there's a small portion of the community that be goblin
stark skiff
https://www.ign.com/articles/exclusive-legendary-pokemon-tcg-artist-returns-to-m...
Yo those all slap
steady onyx
Im back to ask again about standard magic 😭 is there a cool budget or like whats new with duskmourne and aetherdrift idk, i kinda wanna try it but idk
trail anvil
just play mtg arena, it's free
steady onyx
i tried but its rly hard to build a deck
cause i wanna like test diff things
abd each deck is super expensive
🤷♂️
and each colour needs diff stuff
is there no other way to test out stuff?
zinc shard
Bruh
twilit canyon
is it gonna be part of the monsterverse
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God forbid I make an albeit flawed joke
glad peak
Legendary + mtg + hasbro?
Loot becomes a giant and drunk and the planeswalkers have to team up with talking cars in a race to save him
All as an ad for aetherdrift but they messed up the timing
gritty nest
i am stumped on what to build for value vintage
gritty nest
is there any cards that basically say "whenever you draw a card, deal damage to your opponent"
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Artifact
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
, : Draw a card.
Max speed — Whenever you draw a card, each opponent mills two cards. (Each opponent puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
trail anvil
[[improbable alliance]] creates small fliers when you draw a card
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Enchantment
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 1/1 blue Faerie creature token with flying.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
"I agreed to light his way as long as he always had my back." —Squill, Mistford pixie
trail anvil
which can connect for damage
gritty nest
also the wizard dude from Foundations
this is what I made
im going to wait a week or two for aetherdrift release especially because of the aetherdrift cards
the exhaust ability is pretty swole
not the greatest deck probably, but hopefully it works
gritty nest
how good do you guys think start your engines will be in 60 card?
steady onyx
whats a dumb easy and cheap way to get to diamond on mtga?
twilit canyon
why diamond specifically?
lol
atp just go to mythic
its really not that hard
being remotely competent gets you there
gritty nest
misty rate my shitty vintage deck please
gritty nest
no
twilit canyon
jeskai affinity is great
gritty nest
i already have basically simic affinity
twilit canyon
i think its the superior build atm cus you get [[galvanic blast]]
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twilit canyon
that 4 reach is enough to steal games
sleek ferry
why diamond specifically?
I bet him $30 in tcgplayer credit he couldn’t reach diamond this season
twilit canyon
it is but its still enough to put you in the range of the budget for vv
as for why jeskai
[[banish to another universe]]
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Enchantment
Affinity for historic permanents (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact, legendary, and/or Saga permanent you control.)
When Banish to Another Universe enters, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Banish to Another Universe leaves the battlefield.
twilit canyon
and [[ethersworn sphinx]]
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Artifact Creature — Sphinx
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Flying
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card with lesser mana value. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom in a random order.)
4/4
gritty nest
[[$ehersworn sphinx]]
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sleek ferry
Areo is too Yugioh brained to make the necessary adjustments to think about the game at a high level within a season
twilit canyon
but these carry enough weight and surprisingly, a jeskai mana base is cheaper than a mono-blue or 2x base
*2c
gritty nest
youve seen my current affinity list right?
twilit canyon
no i havent
gritty nest
twilit canyon
but i dont think simic is the way to go here
gritty nest
i went simic purely because i based it off another list that had shit like channel in the main
twilit canyon
where's sol ring?
gritty nest
forgot about it
twilit canyon
oh lol
gritty nest
lmao
twilit canyon
i thought it was a conscious choice
a wrong one yes
but a conscious one
no yeah go jeskai
atog is a goat
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twilit canyon
literal atog
gritty nest
lmfao
twilit canyon
yeah
twilit canyon
graaz is good but
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twilit canyon
you can skip it
zinc shard
whats the easiest way to flatten a curved foil? close it in a book?
twilit canyon
going kappa is a mono-blue affinity privelege
twilit canyon
Areo is too Yugioh brained to make the necessary adjustments to think about the ...
i believe that actually
gritty nest
so pretty much jeskai affinity wont run it
gritty nest
4 springleaf drums obviously?
gritty nest
i dont think?
twilit canyon
for atog purposes
gritty nest
[[chromatic star]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice Chromatic Star: Add one mana of any color.
When Chromatic Star is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
"This item is not from ... now. It reflects a sky no longer ours and gleams with hope that does not exist." —Tavalus, acolyte of Korlis
twilit canyon
and [[prophetic prism]] is enough fixing
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When Prophetic Prism enters, draw a card.
, : Add one mana of any color.
"Most dreams reveal but fragments of what you could be. Only nightmares can show you who you truly are." —Ashiok
twilit canyon
because etb draw
twilit canyon
you are going to be on the sphinx
gritty nest
[[$atog]]
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zinc shard
unfortunately the card in question was only printed in foil
ill probably just proxy it
twilit canyon
galvanic and fling provide easy 4 damage or atog kills
if you have 3 mana and sufficient artifacts
you can cast galv
sack your board
fling
if you connect with an 11 power atog thats also lethal
(most cases)
galv also helps atog become lethal at just 17 power
twilit canyon
not quite
just 4 seats and 4 furnace
as i said it can end up being easier/cheaper
cus then you want silverbluffs
and rustvale bridges
and razortides
so that you have the fixing
steady onyx
why diamond specifically?
thugs said i couldnt do it and bet me
twilit canyon
1 sec
i have a jeskai list my sister was brainstorming around with
Deck
4 Atog
4 Chromatic Star
2 Ethersworn Sphinx
4 Fling
4 Galvanic Blast
4 Great Furnace
1 Mountain
1 Myr Enforcer
2 Prophetic Prism
4 Razortide Bridge
3 Rustvale Bridge
2 Sanctum of Ugin
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Silverbluff Bridge
4 Sojourner's Companion
1 Sol Ring
4 Thought Monitor
4 Thoughtcast
4 Witching Well
Sideboard
3 Banish to Another Universe
1 Dispel
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Negate
4 Somber Hoverguard
pog
sleek ferry
I don’t think you understand how hard it is to turn off Yugioh brain Areo
steady onyx
I don’t think you understand how hard it is to turn off Yugioh brain Areo
ill try
we will see
sleek ferry
You can’t play mtg like ygo
twilit canyon
thugs is right
you lost this bet from the get-go
unless you are willing to put in the effort, you'll get hard stuck gold maybe plat
sleek ferry
The best advice I ever got when I started playing mtg was “force your opponent to have the answer”, something that you would almost never do in ygo
rigid scarab
Wasnt the last time areo played
He was loyal to RDW
Yeah yugioh is affixed to him
twilit canyon
a good chunk of rdw decks have way more thought process to them than ygo decks tbh
just from the nature of how ppl play against it
and meta favorability
gritty nest
dumb question but why witching well
twilit canyon
dumb question but why witching well
scry 2
you are looking for atog
and/or fling
can also set up nasty sphinx cascade turns
sleek ferry
And mashing burn spells
This is how you lose
rigid scarab
Im talking like
twilit canyon
And mashing burn spells
this gets you to gold
rigid scarab
bo1 silver
This is like
Most rdw players in low ranks
And it won't get them past gold
sleek ferry
If you actually think about the game, the starter decks can get you to high gold before the card quality catches up to your game knowledge
twilit canyon
met with the harsh reality of the depth that red can have
gritty nest
twilit canyon
idt u need ragers but this is a good enough start
gritty nest
ragers?
twilit canyon
lol the phyrexian walkers
gritty nest
oh
twilit canyon
i said ragers i was fixing up another deck
twilit canyon
my sister plays actual vintage and value vintage
gritty nest
does she proxy for actual vintage?
twilit canyon
i dont play too often but im proficient in all formats basically and this one has been picking up steam recently
twilit canyon
~~does she proxy for actual vintage?~~
no lol
twilit canyon
realistically u dont need the 0 drops
but if you feel like u need them (for the budget or the consistency) they are fine but dont play more than 5
imo
gritty nest
won't it help with some of the affinity stuff?
and can also be atog fotter technically
twilit canyon
they do but they provide little else
the list i sent has a ton of synergy and flows into itself and honestly has little dead cards
gritty nest
the moonsnares are probably pointless
twilit canyon
a 0/2 and a 0/3 do little
gritty nest
i was thinking use the mana from moonsnares to filter into chromatic star or prophetic prism
twilit canyon
theres no shame in doing so
netdecking is good if you arent the most familiar with the format
p sure thats not a totally original list too
100% adapted from pauper affinity of the past
gritty nest
do you know why myr enforcer is used over something like frogmite?
twilit canyon
fitting into the budget i believe
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Affinity for artifacts
Artifact landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for an artifact land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
Before Phyrexia's corruption, many of Mirrodin's creatures were more curious than cruel.
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gritty nest
and can tutor an artifact land
twilit canyon
then its just preference if you can find cheaper companion or frogmites
gritty nest
fair
i might cut a couple razortide bridges due to basically running no white
actually nvm
i think this will be fine
thanks for the advice, i'm still going to look at other decks that aren't affinity though
i built a meme coalition victory deck
twilit canyon
initiative is p fun though i dont have a list on hand
gritty nest
didnt think about that tbh
i saw an abzan greasefang deck today
it was nasty
oh yea
mono blue affinity is something else im working on
not affinity
devotion
i could do nadu landfall
gritty nest
have you guys seen the first place foils in person yet?