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#Magic the Gathering
twilit canyon
golden plover
Oh exhaust is also weirdly unintuitive. It's not once per turn per game piece, it's one per turn per player
Gonna be a lot of players double exhasuting in limited
Oh wait what it's per object but blinking/multiple copies doesn't reset??? What?
Ah they misspoke. Exhaust resets on blinks
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Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Exile target nonland permanent you don't control until In the Trenches leaves the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery and only once.
The battlefield became so pockmarked with craters and trenches that casualties were regularly attributed to "fell in a hole."
stark skiff
wtf lol
golden plover
4 fingers and his trim is off
It's also not super consistent with the artist's style
Compare to Prismatic Ending
Looks very AI
lusty trench
He has all his fingers
golden plover
He has all his fingers
Not the prismatic ending art, Kolodin's borderless
He's only got 4
lusty trench
golden plover
Oh I see it now yeah
lusty trench
The index is just positioned kinda odd
golden plover
Art still looks really off to me tho
glad peak
Might just be a weird art style choice like with the strix faithless looting
golden plover
Especially the trim being off
golden plover
Might just be a weird art style choice like with the strix faithless looting
I thought that too, but it's inconsistent with the artist's usual style
lusty trench
He's a long time artist I doubt he'd just use ai
lusty trench
I think they wanted him to do like a painted portrait style he's just not as good at
golden plover
Could be but his armor trim not lining up is really weird
glad peak
If he used ai and he’s an established artist he would’ve found better ways to hide it
golden plover
Yeah true
It's probably just a style he's not good at
Also, what fucking plane is that guy from
He's like HARD sci-fi and that's not a plane we're used to
lusty trench
We have a sci fi set upcoming don't we, maybe from there
golden plover
Yeah I guess he could be
trail anvil
I was thinking of this too but it also has lifelink and ward 1
also burn them for 2 with shelly /s
kolodin looks nuts, seems like it could be the center of a vehicle or mount deck
start your engines as a mechanic looks really simple to track but actually just anti-commander cause 4 turn cycles is an enormous ask considering everything needs to be max speed to have any value
I feel like I'm missing the niche that basri is supposed to fit into considering you have to exert him for his field effect
I actually like chandra's art and design, creating vehicle tokens is fun
temmet looked super mid at first to me, but being able to do a massive pump on a go wide zombie board by drawing heavy sounds fun
bulwark ox seems nice doing double duty between protection and ramping threat
rocketeer boostbuggy looks like it would be meta in a different meta
last ride sounds fun as a draw engine vs slower decks into a lategame finisher
glad peak
Nah last ride is a decent modern piece with incidental card draw that’s slightly worse than death’s shadow 
I miss that deck
lusty trench
X
glad peak
If you can get max speed on the turn you play her then yes she’s busted
The problem is, we don’t know if we can do that and even if we could that would require extra steps
glad peak
We don’t know yet
There could be cards that say you have max speed for all we know, full set’s not out
glad peak
Wait hold on, speed is linked to the player, not the card
lusty trench
There could be cards that say you have max speed for all we know, full set’s not...
I'm willing to bet if that was the case it's gonna be overcosted to where it doesn't matter
Yeah
glad peak
I'm willing to bet if that was the case it's gonna be overcosted to where it doe...
Yep, that was the point, mechanic’s way too aggressively nerfed unless we see some busted things locked behind it
fallow citrus
birthing pod for artifacts hello
trail anvil
wait quag feast is nuts, mill + pop for 2 mana
lusty trench
trail anvil
it plays harder into graveyard hate but the versatility is so good
trail anvil
this looks crazy as an Indestructible body + huge resource generator
if you have ways to reliably put counters on it then you get the best of both worlds
sudden lava
Yes, Winter was allowed to compete in the race (with Loot as a hostage) by Valgavoth and under the deal that if he wins he gets freed otherwise back to the house he goes.
sudden lava
There could be cards that say you have max speed for all we know, full set’s not...
we do know actually
Weekly MTG said there is no speed up cards in the set
at most you can get two (play your first start your engine to go to one, then hit someone for a 2nd counter) but otherwise 1 turn at a time
golden plover
https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1881771139934122432?t=2RhvR1HoQbIMT55EkRavgg&s...
Speed seems too slow for constructed
Aggro doesn't wanna take 3-4 turns to come online
And nothing else wants to do a thing where they don't get the payoff for 3+ turns
twilit canyon
this looks crazy as an Indestructible body + huge resource generator
beginning of main phase kinda fucks the card
there are way cheaper engines
twilit canyon
somewhat funny how indestructible is such a nonissue nowdays
the bounce decks dont give a shit and nowhere to run has eliminated ward and hexproof
sleek ferry
Tbf, nowhere to run was a much needed card
twilit canyon
i dont disagree
in the same set we got sheltered by ghosts
that card is also ridiculous
but kept heavily in check by gftt and nowhere to run
trail anvil
beginning of main phase kinda fucks the card
oh yeah I don't think this is actually seeing play in constructed. it seems really fun though
twilit canyon
valor's flagship feels like a mistake for the greasefang decks
trail anvil
my hot take is oildeep is gonna be meta for sure in standard
trail anvil
ward 1 , just enough toughness to dodge nowhere, good etb
twilit canyon
good synergy in the bounce deck and against it
trail anvil
and lifelink in a meta that's nice for it
twilit canyon
my reservations is that it can possibly be hard to want it
trail anvil
the fact that you can use it to loot like clique too
I don't think you run 4 but I think it's plenty justifiable at the top end
trail anvil
the versatility just seems too good to me
twilit canyon
cus thats competing with sheoldred, kaito, and enduring
sleek ferry
Oil deep is nice, issue is what Misty just said
lusty trench
Funky art
trail anvil
if the meta is still bounce heavy I think it'll slot in better
sleek ferry
They’ll give people just enough to try to make a death’s shadow deck at home for standard
twilit canyon
and kaito can be a 3
which is a number the deck really lacks
i think its worth trying but idk if it has the slots for it
trail anvil
yeah curiosity is just nuts
twilit canyon
They’ll give people just enough to try to make a death’s shadow deck at home for...
its not enough
we'd need fetches + shocks
no amount of unholy annex and painlands will do it
copper pecan
He's like HARD sci-fi and that's not a plane we're used to
he's from kylem
trail anvil
what if you use it as a blocker + value engine in black control
sleek ferry
My issue is the cost tbh. If I have 4 mana, would I rather play oil deep or ninjitsu in Kaito, or play bats and still have 2 mana up they have to worry about
trail anvil
so lategame the toughness grows bigger and bigger
twilit canyon
My issue is the cost tbh. If I have 4 mana, would I rather play oil deep or ninj...
if its hard casting kaito vs oildeep im casting the gearhulk
sleek ferry
Well yeah, if you’re hard casting Kaito you’re probably losing
twilit canyon
bats are unplayable atm thanks to a lot of reasons so i'd probs save the deck slot and play the oildeeps
the gruul gearhulk is unfort bad so im guessing
azorius hulk will be mid, dimir is solid, gruul is bad, selesnya bad
trail anvil
gruul gearhulk is just craterhoof for commander players that want to find some other synergy tbh
wait what was the azorius hulk
twilit canyon
im guessing the rakdos one will be the one that somewhat pops off in the sac deck
but is kind of mediocre
like the deck getting ghast + this may be makes it make a tiny splash again only to disappear as quickly
since they dont fix the deck
trail anvil
what are your thoughts on quag
sorcery speed but mills and has versatile hits, also more powerful on the off chance we get a lot of good vehicles
twilit canyon
solid but bad vs any sort of gy hate which is plentiful and strong
golden plover
valor's flagship feels like a mistake for the greasefang decks
Mistake as in too good or too bad? Because imo it's worse than parhelion
The only upside it has over parhelion is cycling so it sets itself up
copper pecan
Kylem did not look like that last time
a lot of the other characters who are on the same team look like that
golden plover
Fair, but Kylem wasn't as hard sci-fi
copper pecan
chandra's bike has the same aesthetic
glad peak
Tbh the set would be much better without chandra and if we were able to speculate on the winner lol
copper pecan
chandra didn't win the race though
glad peak
I know but what I meant was more so making it a multi set event and without big names attached
Just a goofy race that’s in the background of every other story
golden plover
Imo I think the set should've done the same thing they should've done on OTJ
Set it on a new plane, no recurring characters
Maybe Chandra or whatever
lusty trench
can someone tell me who won the race and if they matter
golden plover
But it just feels shitty to Amonkhet to have it's story stuff be about overcoming the generations of trauma caused by Bolas and then "haha Hazoret has Start your Engines and Dareeti is in a racecar"
golden plover
can someone tell me who won the race and if they matter
Basri and the new lion guy, but the aetherspark is being used as a plot point to bring back Bolas symbol of progress on Amonkhet
lusty trench
it hasn't even been ten years
golden plover
We can't have a new villain, people don't know who they are
Gotta hop between the established 3
So after Bolas comes back we'll go back to the Eldrazi for a bit, then bring the Phyrexians back somehow
glad peak
Somehow, bolas returned
lusty trench
didn't they salt his name from reality severing his tie to the ur-dragon as an elder dragon, banish him in an inaccessable realm and leave him a fraction of a shadow of his former self
twilit canyon
Mistake as in too good or too bad? Because imo it's worse than parhelion
mistake as in stupid because its not as good as parhelion but it being able to set itself up can create some really stupid situations and it generates bodies meaning now you have a long term grind game while not being dependent on the combo
golden plover
I can see it as a 1-off for grindier matches, but I can't see it being more than a 1-off/sideboard card
copper pecan
We can't have a new villain, people don't know who they are
literally what are you talking about, they just introduced a new recurring villain like two sets ago
golden plover
Greasefang doesn't care about the aggro for the long game
They've got a t3 "kill" usually
golden plover
literally what are you talking about, they just introduced a new recurring villa...
Forgot about Valgavoth, he's a good new addition
sudden lava
Nobody tell wotc there is still a typo on the site
golden plover
But yeah, greasefang doesn't care about the lifegain in aggro for the most part but I can see them running one if needed
fallow citrus
is the typo thing a joke
last glen
did they reveal
no dinosaur cards
sleek ferry
How would you put a Dino in a race skipper
fallow citrus
carefully
last glen
literally one of the species in the race is dinosaur humanoids
copper pecan
did they reveal
no dinosaur cards
they did
can't believe they would powercreep colossal dreadmaw like this
lusty trench
Wdym collosal dreadmaw is pauper legal
last glen
hmm
5 cmc 8/8 is tempting
competing with haste enablers and bonehoard for that slot, though
copper pecan
i don't think it's good enough for standard unfortunately
it doesn't do anything on the turn it enters and it doesn't have any protection either
and 3 mana is a lot for a combat trick like that
past socket
Pit stop!
golden plover
Why'd they make the preacher of the schism real hot
past socket
why not?
sudden lava
is the typo thing a joke
No it's not a joke
That's an actual typo on the where to find previews page for aetherdrift
fallow citrus
I don't see any typo
fallow citrus
oh sure
past socket
We drawing and discarding cards with this one!
golden plover
Neither commander does amass stuff
The boring one sucks and the other one gives cards you discard psueso-eternalize
sudden lava
I mean in the 99, which is why I say "maybe". More likely eternalize/embalm
cuz the pseudo-eternalize keeps the cards in the bin
pulsar talon
So
The cards that require max speed dont actually reduce the counter right?
So you reach 4 and all effects are online for the rest of the game?
sudden lava
So you reach 4 and all effects are online for the rest of the game?
correct, cant lose speed outside of like 1 exception
pulsar talon
Whats the exception?
sudden lava
we dont know the exception, they just mentioned "1 exception exists" in the set
trail anvil
So you reach 4 and all effects are online for the rest of the game?
yes but it's still like 3/4 turn cycles
sudden lava
From the Maro Teasers, huh I wonder what this might do
pulsar talon
Btw
If they remove all cards with start your engines from the field, but you deal damage
Does the counter still go up?
rigid scarab
So after Bolas comes back we'll go back to the Eldrazi for a bit, then bring the...
Maybe Tivit for an extra bit of spice!
golden plover
Hmm, is Hashaton Cedh viable?
There's a lot of ways to go infinite with him with stuff like [[Peregrine Drake]]
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glad peak
probably not
i don't really see a 1 card win con and there's no card advantage as plan b
glad peak
loot is probably playable tbh
sudden lava
wait whats the combo?
glad peak
i'm not sure how good temur is anymore but just being able to draw 3 every time you play him is great
glad peak
wait whats the combo?
you exile loot in grave and then give something on your field +1/+1 and the ability to use any of loot's abilities
now each creature you have gives you insane advantage
golden plover
That turns off her ever attacking or blocking tho
glad peak
card advantage > all 
trail anvil
any +1/+1 doubler lets you draw 2 a turn which is funny
well 2 per your turn
a graffiti style feels weird here but so do a lot of styles in this set ig
zinc shard
I love the reference to Bounty of the Luxa
past socket
Even if not on the Command Zone, Hashaton and Temmet could be fun for Esper Zombies
Varina my beloved
past socket
I’m serious, play Varina if you haven’t, fun as fuck Zombie commander
copper pecan
he looks like a duel masters card with a typeline like "creature - armored scrimblo / scrunkly command dragon"
ornate cedar
Just saw the gold borders
Gyatt damn
I may have to buy a couple packs
Or at least wait to see which ones are cheap on release
trail anvil
finally something that doesn't need max speed to do anything
zinc shard
trail anvil
oh that's nice right there
trail anvil
hot damn the draw effect isn't once per turn
zinc shard
I wish it had a way to exile cards by itself but card's still good
trail anvil
I wish it had a way to exile cards by itself but card's still good
an overcosted gy exile would've gone a long way, but I think this card can just be gas already. especially with cards like ghost vacuum
although ig you're typically saving those to use on the opponent's turn
trail anvil
also just noticed, since she has first strike if you connect with her then all your non-first strike creatures in that combat get +2/+0
jesus ketramose works with blink
sudden lava
Lesbian Pirate Shark deck keeps winning!
lusty trench
Aetherdrift prints worst tutor, asked to leave the diabolic studies https://x.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1882090976128196856?t=ajUiROIUgw0Y6e_Jve9dSQ&s=19
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twilit canyon
Aetherdrift prints worst tutor, asked to leave the diabolic studies https://x.co...
this is a 3 mana 2/2 that turns into a 2 mana tutor after 4 turns
glad peak
At the worst case scenario, that’s the case
Best case scenario this is 5 mana split for both effects
trail anvil
it also starts your engines :^)
glad peak
Still pretty bad
sudden lava
The flavor on it is nice
trail anvil
speaking of which, cards with this keyword don't actually increase speed themselves right?
glad peak
I’m pretty glad they didn’t make the mechanic too parasitic like they could have done (some cards just having start engines but no payoff or cards that pay off max speed but no start engines)
glad peak
speaking of which, cards with this keyword don't actually increase speed themsel...
Only the first speed bump; the other increases are mechanic based
trail anvil
oof that's... really not good lmao
sudden lava
Start the race self explanatory, then the 2/2 is an amonkhet racer, and when you max speed "win the race" then you can tutor the prize aetherspark
trail anvil
I might've even preferred that it did increase and max speed was 6, cause that keyword sucks even more
glad peak
Mechanic definitely sucks on first reading but seeing speed attached to the player might change things
Especially for grindier decks the good speed cards just become undercosted cards
trail anvil
well it has to be a grindier deck and also inflict damage on each turn yeah? which makes it narrower
glad peak
True but the hope is to get incidental damage somewhere
Which is probably the hardest part
trail anvil
the black/red one makes the most sense to me. either that or you run one of the start your engines lands but then you realistically just go with monored, and hazoret does not seem worth the payoff
glad peak
Gonna be easier in modern where people are going to fetch on your turn but there aren’t any speed cards that are good on their own
glad peak
Hazoret might be fine, 5 damage out of nowhere’s pretty good and she enables damage to be unblockable
A turn too late for the optimal mono red deck but might be worth for another deck
lusty trench
lusty trench
this is an old card right?
Yeah
lusty trench
Bro is less liberated they made him put on swim trunks
I can't imagine the conversation between him and whoever told him to put on trunks
lusty trench
copper pecan
he craves violence
past socket
Just doing their best to help snarf snarf
golden plover
The Kylem Tron outfits look really bad
glad peak
Oh nice finally a cheaper version of this effect without some drawback
Probably missed a couple though
sudden lava
Or mf amonkhet
It's on Avishkar, Amonkhet, and Muraganda
sudden lava
represented by the raceway cycle
copper pecan
i'm reading the muraganda side story and i really like how they describe cars from the perspective of the muragandans
it took me a little bit to realize that the "strange beast" they were talking about was just a car
gritty nest
Unsure how I feel about Saheeli
past socket
Metal cocoons kind of vibe
past socket
H O N S E
Been learning card combinations that exists for war crimes
like Mycosynth Lattice and a Overloaded Vandalblast
sudden lava
There is no more eternal night, and living energy has been swapped to the thursday slot
Originally this said "Command Zone Eternal Night"
trail anvil
like Mycosynth Lattice and a Overloaded Vandalblast
war karn is more effective for this imo
[[karn, the great creator]]
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past socket
Karn really sounds like top 5 for Commanders to be insta-Archenemy
Alongside Korvold or any Infect Commander
sudden lava
Karn the great creator cant be the commander
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glad peak
Karn really sounds like top 5 for Commanders to be insta-Archenemy
I assure you, it is not
Even if it can be your commander (especially even, since colorless)
golden plover
Ya know, I'm betting [[Oildeep Gearhulk]] is great. Does a lot but isn't immediately obviously strong
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Lifelink, ward 
When this creature enters, look at target player's hand. You may choose a card from it. If you do, that player discards that card, then draws a card.
Oil-actuated inventions raised eyebrows after the Invasion, but no one could argue against the efficacy of the design.
4/4
golden plover
The biggest thing people are overlooking is that it's "target player" and not "target opponent"
copper pecan
sleek ferry
Whoever wrote that song didn’t love themselves
Calling West Virginia home is nasty work
sudden lava
glad peak
Is it nissa? Would be hella boring if it was
gritty nest
Waiting for the Saheeli decklist to be available
Apparently command zone is revealing it today
sudden lava
sudden lava
Apparently command zone is revealing it today
they are revealing it today yes
gritty nest
~~still waiting for it ~~
sudden lava
Im surprised we didnt get a Commander Hint video from Gavin Verhey
gritty nest
Idk who that is
zinc shard
Gavin?
sudden lava
Idk who that is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQw0meBJIQM&ab_channel=GoodMorningMagic One of the main guys that works on the sets, comparable to Mark Rosewater
gritty nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQw0meBJIQM&ab_channel=GoodMorningMagic One of t...
Ah, I’ve seen his shorts
sleek ferry
holy, I love it
golden plover
It's solid, but I'm not sure it's got a home
gritty nest
I need that
golden plover
Imo it's probably a commander card
Better options in every other format
But it can be cute in some form of roots deck or something
sleek ferry
oh i misread LMAO
I thought the exile was from either gy
I was about to say this shit is busted
sleek ferry
it's still good though
golden plover
Either GY would've made it really good
It's fine tbh
I just can't see it finding a home anywhere
sleek ferry
would have to do some testing, but maybe pioneer/explorer
golden plover
Ehh, there's better options there
Deathrite Shaman is pioneer legal and sees no play there
It's too slow on its own for modern probably
twilit canyon
no
golden plover
And I'm not sure there's a deck in standard that'd want this over elves
And Elves is kinda washed in standard rn too
It's a cute card that could potentially be better in the future
But rn, I'm just not seeing it
On the other hand, this is pretty solid
Probably doesn't have a home either
But it's a neat punisher for green
This one is REALLY good tho
golden plover
Defend the Rider is definitely seeing play
Worst mode is a 1/1 for 1 with flash in green
golden plover
Oh shit wait Rider guarantees you're safe from everything that's not Sheoldred's Edict or the black board wipe
If they wanna kill your guy, hexproof
Wanna make you sacc a guy, make the token
sudden lava
golden plover
Wait he's a 1/1
This card sucks
Also reddit is freaking out about him so I know he's bad
twilit canyon
freaking out over it is stupid but this card is literally insane
in any format with fetches its absolutely one of the best mana dorks
mills you too
glad peak
Card’s pretty good
twilit canyon
so its never not able to contribute
golden plover
It's worse goose
twilit canyon
goose is infinitely worse than this
zinc shard
it definitely has a home somewhere
glad peak
Worse bop is pretty good still
golden plover
Giose is a better blocker and guarantees you get the 2nd color on t2-3
Without another card getting into your graveyard, this guy isn't live until t3
twilit canyon
so does this in any format with fetches
zinc shard
ur putting way too much value in stats
twilit canyon
this is the best non-restricted dork in the game outside of bop/drs if you are not on heavy gy synergy
golden plover
Deathrite being a 1/2 is relevant for formats he's good in
twilit canyon
bop and drs are better
golden plover
And again, this guy isn't live on his own until t3
twilit canyon
but this one will absolutely be more than playable for any deck that cares about dorks
glad peak
It’s just a pretty good dork that usually would have cost 2
twilit canyon
its not live turn 3
golden plover
But in standard he's worse than llanowar
twilit canyon
its live turn 2 in any good deck
golden plover
On his own
sudden lava
still none of the legend cycle revealed
golden plover
I'm aware a fetch gets him live t2
But when you open him without a fetch he's dead
twilit canyon
well yeah on his own in standard he has little synergy
even there im willing to bet theres more than 1 deck he fits
glad peak
One thing that drs does much better is that it can hit any grave
golden plover
That too
twilit canyon
this also doesnt has to eat a land btw
golden plover
Shaman can hit the opponent's grave too and can survive a ping
twilit canyon
its any card
golden plover
I'm aware it can exile a creature or whatever for it
But I still just can't see this being worthwhile
twilit canyon
opp t1 thoughtseizes you otd, you can use that to fuel it not just lands
glad peak
But that would be the biggest hindrance to this new card seeing play
golden plover
It's a fine dork
twilit canyon
baubles fuel it too
golden plover
But it's too fair
glad peak
It’s decent, usually these cards would be 2 mana
twilit canyon
this card is currently going to be a cedh auto-include in gb+ decks
unless you are going hard into breach
glad peak
It’s an auto include even with breach tbh
golden plover
I think I would have liked it a lot better as a 2 mana 1/3 or 2/2 tbh
twilit canyon
breach may be the only thing that holds it back a bit cus u dont wanna have to rely on this being your only dork in hand if you are on a breach list
but otherwise its auto
twilit canyon
I think I would have liked it a lot better as a 2 mana 1/3 or 2/2 tbh
then it'd be unplayable lol
1 mana is a very different price to 2
trail anvil
why are you so against it being a 1/1 lol
golden plover
It'd be a more relevant blocker which matters when it's not tapping as frequently
trail anvil
it's not a blocker but anything that can kill a 1/1 can kill up to 3 toughness in this standard
twilit canyon
its tapping every turn in almost every format
golden plover
Im just comparing it to goose
twilit canyon
standard/pioneer not included
even then i believe standard has enough to get it going consistently
golden plover
And I can't see it winning out against goose ever in pioneer
trail anvil
goose is a one-time mana dork but this is a sidegrade and even an upgrade in decks that want to self mill
golden plover
Like I said, I can maybe see it being okay in modern
But I don't see it being real rn
trail anvil
isn't goose only really relevant because of its food synergy anyways
golden plover
Goose is guaranteed to tap for your other color on t2
This isn't guaranteed in pioneer
twilit canyon
cus food synergy is the only reason it can function as a card
trail anvil
so this has mill synergy
twilit canyon
and synergy against/with discard, and of course, fetch lands, baubles
it also fuels itself off the spells you cast
ie: t1 molt -> t2 cut down -> 2 drop
sleek ferry
Would Eldrazi play this in modern? Grinding station?
twilit canyon
eldrazi is moving too fast for a turn 1 mana dork
they are trying to deploy 50% of their hand turn 1 off temple and/or lab
trail anvil
it's okay you don't need to play any spell to get a card in the gy, because they're going to remove one of your things anyways in this standard /s
twilit canyon
true lol
also
compared to goose
it just taps to mill
which means that it isnt wasting mana to make more food
to make the mana later
it can just fuel itself with a simple tap if you are that empty in grave
trail anvil
realistically I don't think you're using either of these unless you synergize with some other aspect of the card. food for goose, self-mill for this
twilit canyon
for sure
trail anvil
and in any aspect where you're self milling this isn't totally dead in lategame which is very nice
twilit canyon
if you had reliable fetch lands (passage isnt)
sleek ferry
Hmm does amulet titan play this?
trail anvil
surely this is the card that will make roots viable 
sleek ferry
Also why is Amulet Titan just the deck that never dies lol
dragon players in ygo would be jealous at amutitans longevity
golden plover
surely this is the card that will make roots viable <:copium:901139245056528444>
I love that there's at least one roots cope card every set now
trail anvil
everything that has to do with the gy in bg is a roots cope card
fallow citrus
Also why is Amulet Titan just the deck that never dies lol
cause people can't play it
deck is really good but people don't know how to play it
especially if your opponent has interaction
glad peak
Deck’s good and has been getting easier and easier so hopefully soon lol
fallow citrus
feel like the reputation just stops people playing the deck
everyone knows it as the hard deck
sleek ferry
8 power for 6 mana isn't bad, saddle 5 is kinda steep though
golden plover
Straight up mythic uncommon
golden plover
8 power for 6 mana isn't bad, saddle 5 is kinda steep though
You probably have a guy just chilling and the token
Then each swing after it pays for itself
I don't think it's first pick, but it is if you get a bad rare
And any other time in green
golden plover
Hmm really hoping they errata the Kamigawa pilots
trail anvil
ah yes another kill-on-sight cheat-everything-from-hand monogreen commander
zinc shard
trail anvil
nissa in saheeli's commander deck is kinda weird though
zinc shard
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/aetherdrift-commander-decklists
Link to the full decklist
trail anvil
damn nice reprints
"pay 50 energy" is a funny sentence but I feel like there's not much to comment on here, that sure is an energy deck
zinc shard
it is missing a couple of the cards i'd expect (seriously, no [[Izzet Generatorium]] ?) but those cards are pretty cheap to add
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sudden lava
had a feeling about this being in, cool I dont gotta pick one up
sleek ferry
I might actually buy this
past socket
One more day until Eternal Might reveals. Very excite
zinc shard
zinc shard
The balls on the guy who brought a sloth to a race
trail anvil
you know what they say about being slow and steady
golden plover
Tbf that's literally how Amonkhet won
All the fast racers got caught up in shit, and they were steady
Ohh... One issue with this deck
It's SUPER clicky when you assemble the combo
(Although they should've scooped when they saw I had it)
past socket
Heard Amalia was really fun for Orzhov
golden plover
Deck is real cool
past socket
Ixalan just has really cool lore in general
golden plover
You set up the graveyard and then go [[Raise the Past]] and just play 1000 guys at once
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From what I know anyways
golden plover
And they'll die off your Lifegain triggers
Or hopefully scoop before
Because you've got 180+ triggers on stack
sudden lava
copper pecan
neat
zinc shard
Oh that's the card I thought was a Lotus
golden plover
The lotus is totally gonna be max speed isn't it
gritty nest
should i add [[tergrid, god of fright]] to Gonti?
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Menace
Whenever an opponent sacrifices a nontoken permanent or discards a permanent card, you may put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Fear is her one true companion.
4/5
Tergrid's Lantern 
Legendary Artifact
: Target player loses 3 life unless they sacrifice a nonland permanent of their choice or discard a card.
: Untap Tergrid's Lantern.
When Tergrid was a child, her shadow tried to kill her. Only her lantern keeps it at bay.
glad peak
i don't see why
gritty nest
Like why should I?
glad peak
yep
gritty nest
Because I do have some discard and sac cards in the deck
And she’ll be a hate magnet instead of actual important things
past socket
But yeah No idea if Temmet or Hashaton are going the command zone for some precon games with the bois
trail anvil
uh... okay
I wonder if Olivia goebert hicks is gonna put this in her omenkeel deck lol
past socket
Nothing screams “perfect Commander deck” like vehicular homicide
lusty trench
Arguably comparable to fof, it doesn't dump to grave which is a huge blow but it's one less and guarantees two of your choices with 0 knowledge gained by your opponent
golden plover
Yeah, unironically I think this is a great card
Probably a mythic uncommon in draft, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it elsewhere
lusty trench
I'm not sure how to compare it to [[brain surge]]
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lusty trench
golden plover
I'm not sure how to compare it to [[brain surge]]
Imo it's marginally better because you can absolutely brainstorm screw yourself but brain surge is instant speed
I think brain surge is the strongest version of this effect, but this one is VERY good
sleek ferry
So this is just a 6/5, potential for 1-2 mana
sudden lava
I wonder if Olivia goebert hicks is gonna put this in her omenkeel deck lol
This entire set is so her
Wouldn't be surprised if after aetherdrift comes out we see her play multiple new variants of car decks
sudden lava
glad peak
The best card in this set so far for modern is probably ketramose
Especially with bw blink already being a playable deck
sleek ferry
[[ketramose]]
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sudden lava
hi maskwood nexus
lusty trench
relentless dead missing
Doesn't get a reprint in innistrad remastered, doesn't get one here
Corporate plant ass mythic
zinc shard
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125148508920479744/1332382772177801276...
Who's riding the Puppy?
sudden lava
Who's riding the Puppy?
The selesnya team
lusty trench
Honestly the zombie decks amonkhet arts are peak
gritty nest
right
ornate cedar
Defo gonna get the zombie deck when I get the money
gritty nest
have any of you built Selesnya tokens?
glad peak
I have before but it’s boring
lusty trench
All token decks play similarly
past socket
Common Esper Zombies W
glad peak
also very boring
past socket
Just generally liked Esper more than Dimir, and honestly Varina is less boring than Wilhelt
Or whatever the fuck people use for Dimir Zombie that isn’t Scarab GOAT
golden plover
Apparently varina is from Amonkhet now?
glad peak
regardless, in terms of gameplay they're so close to other token decks that they all feel the same
past socket
I imagine all creature token decks are super similar. More used to Treasure Tokens
ig it depends on how you want to use those creature tokens in terms of variation?
Like do you want them nice and chunky?
Or do you want to use them as cannon and sac fodder?
golden plover
This Esper token deck is really cool tho
gritty nest
Is the craterhoof print from Innistrad remastered only in collectors boosters?
golden plover
Yup
glad peak
brb forcing green in innistrad if i open spider swarm
past socket
I wish you the best 
glad peak
inb4 i don't open it
zinc shard
Mu Yangling pulls up to registration
"What model of vehicle will you be racing today?"
"Boat"
past socket
Love the Wacky Races reboot that is Aetherdrift lore
zinc shard
trail anvil
mu probably has one of the less weird vehicles tbh
past socket
Loot being prepared for the soup
sudden lava
I just spent 2 hours at locals looking through boxes just for a [[varina lich queen]]
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, Exile two cards from your graveyard: Create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
4/4
trail anvil
sounds like a lot of effort for a card that costs pennies
sudden lava
eh its nearly a dollar now
and I like knew there was one copy there (and I kinda need it for a deck)
past socket
Varina my beloved
sudden lava
Varina my beloved
Varina's getting plenty of attention now that new Esper Zombie Kindred support has arrived (and still kinda being revealed, there is new zombie stuff in the set) so I'm glad I picked one up now. She is so cool
past socket
Yeah saw some of the stuff in structure and damn
golden plover
Huh apparently there's 0 dwarves in Aetherdrift (but there's room for Loxodon, Merfolk, and Kor?)
sudden lava
Huh apparently there's 0 dwarves in Aetherdrift (but there's room for Loxodon, M...
There is at least 1 
sudden lava
also we have like 6 more days of reveals left
sudden lava
Oh damn
golden plover
Actually have we seen an aetherborn racer yet?
sudden lava
Well at least Depala and Magda are both getting support in this set
sudden lava
Actually have we seen an aetherborn racer yet?
Not that I know of, but Gonti is in
golden plover
Yeah other than gonti
It's weird how much they're ignoring the Avishkar native types for sharks and merfolk and Kor????
sudden lava
oh right you said specifically racer, yeah cant recall if any got shown
golden plover
Fucking kor???
sudden lava
I'm still waiting for that legendary cycle to be revealed, have only like 1 dinosaur been revealed so far?
past socket
Several gobbos but tbf there’s a whole racing team of the little shits
sudden lava
This reveal cannot come soon enough, I wanna see what dino (oozes?) stat sticks they are. Yeah they probably aren't gonna be OP, but I've seen people make Yargle decks
gritty nest
I have before but it’s boring
fair
i built selesnya tokens for my partner, and it just feels like a mixed bag
zinc shard
idk if anyone can help, im trying to find details on a product MTG released a while ago, it had 4 old precon commander decks. 1 was Atraxa and 1 was the Mimeoplasam
nvm i found it, Commander Anthology
wish Wizards would make another one
rigid scarab
https://x.com/mtg_malone/status/1882743717158900203?t=g-g4kMcnmtHCpXfST_LBBw&s=1...
This is one of the funniest arts MTG has put out in the last 5 years
Fuck realism this shit slaps
rigid scarab
This is one of the funniest arts MTG has put out in the last 5 years
Wait this isnt real
Nvm this game is dead
last glen
did somebody tell him
fallow citrus
wait there's no way you thought it was real
rigid scarab
wait there's no way you thought it was real
MTG has done tongue and cheek arts before leave me alone
fallow citrus
past socket
I personally wish it was
trail anvil
last glen
brain check
does the card remain a creature indefinitely after the exhaust effect resolves
glad peak
This one? Yes
gritty nest
theres a couple others that are similiar with the exhaust ability
also
i saw a card I gotta buy every copy of
zinc shard
gritty nest
Have you guys ever played a cube
trail anvil
you say limited card when it's an enchantment with an etb
this is going into simic tempo just cause you can bounce it with town /s
trail anvil
actually this will unironically be really nice in anikthea even though it doesn't hit enchantments
copper pecan
i'll probably run this in mycotyrant brawl
glad peak
Have you guys ever played a cube
Yep, why?
golden plover
@trail anvil hey look it's the other "roots is a real deck now" cope card for the set
glad peak
I don’t usually like 3c set cubes, maybe if you add a lot of fixing
And I mean a lot, even more outside of the set cards
glad peak
Tbh id recommend 2c enemy colored 2-3 mana rocks and enemy duals
copper pecan
ikoria was a 3 color set but it didn't lean into it super hard
golden plover
SNC had the fun thing where it was just objectively correct to draft 2c most of the time
Gruul, Dimir, Orzhov, and Boros were all just better than trying to force 3c
glad peak
Color screw feels bad which is why you need a lot of fixing
But then you incentivize a ton of ramp for all colors
Especially 5c soup
There’s some theory about not doing full cycles of mana rocks to incentivize low to the ground aggro in some color combos but that’s harder to figure out
The good thing about SNC is that treasures are always available
gritty nest
I don’t usually like 3c set cubes, maybe if you add a lot of fixing
i know, thats part of the issue i know ill have to fix. I was mainly thinking of making it similar to SNC draft. Would it be a dumb idea to include commander only cards since those also came in packs at the time?
glad peak
It’s a cube, there are no stupid ideas
Especially if you go for a plane cube instead of a set cube, you can get cards where the plane is referenced
For example, people made an ornithopter cube and it’s very very fun
gritty nest
i see
i want it to be based around New Capenna, thats the main thing
so a plane cube means i could theoretically add the cards from like March of the Machines, or other flavor fitting cards like Chromatic Lantern, The Talismans, etc?
glad peak
Yep, any card that references the plane or has art of that plane
gritty nest
i could let everyone get a free chromatic lantern to help encourage 3 color strategies too
glad peak
Yeah, don’t do that, you’re giving everyone a perfect opportunity to go 5c greed no matter what
gritty nest
lantern i dont think has a art for new capenna
but new capenna is basically mafia era modern day, high end fashion, etc. lantern could still work thematically
glad peak
Or if you do give everyone a chromatic lantern, add a lot of artifact removal to deal with that issue
There’s the prohibition cube which is very interesting
gritty nest
whats that about?
glad peak
No blue cards
But you can “buy” blue cards with cards that learn or are errata’d to learn and they all have been errata’d to be busted
gritty nest
because theyre blue "illegal" cards
and incentivizes you to buy them
i like that
also i wont give everyone the lanterns, but ill probably run more of it than normal to help make sure its passed around
maybe a full playset or 6 of them
does that sound fair you think?
glad peak
I still don’t think so
glad peak
Color fixing is very powerful so I wouldn’t give them 5c mana rocks
The jumpstart isles are very good in that you have 1 color and can choose the other
gritty nest
[[thriving isle]]?
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Thriving Isle enters tapped. As it enters, choose a color other than blue.
: Add 
or one mana of the chosen color.
All the wonders of the natural world in one breathtaking microcosm.
gritty nest
new capenna does have dual lands and tri lands as well
it especially has the tri lands for the main color trios it cares about
glad peak
If you go the traditional route then just do the tapped lands with the enemy color talismans and stuff
But if you add extra or side rules it’s a bit more complicated
What if you give each player a free brass’s bounty
gritty nest
someone mentioned a land pack, guessing thats just a pack you open at the end with bonus lands to help with building
glad peak
A land pack could work but doesn’t really do anything since people pick those late anyways
gritty nest
yea, meaning its just min max the pack
glad peak
Maybe you add an extra dual instead of a basic to every pack? But then you’re not really cubing with random packs
Yeah it’s a hard balance to hit
You need lots of testing
gritty nest
i know im gonna run multiple of the dual lands the set has
since theyre commons iirc
glad peak
Or you give everyone a bootlegger’s stash on the field
gritty nest
lmfao
no
the cycling lands could maybe work, since the ones in the set already do similar
the mh3 tri lands that pay the colors, sack themselves to find a basic
capenna also has their tri basic fetches
fast lands could also thematically match
or the artifact bridge lands
glad peak
If you want to use only capenna art even in lands I don’t think any of those work
gritty nest
fair
glad peak
The hideouts and tri lands work but I don’t know any other dual type land which has capenna art
gritty nest
ill test it with the base new capenna stuff, see how that goes
gritty nest
i was thinking 4/3/1/1 most likely
if that even works
but i could add extras of like the tri lands, just to make sure theyre more often to pull up
glad peak
Yeah I’d definitely curate some of the mythics too
Bootlegger’s stash in particular is trash
gritty nest
yea I want to include almost every mythic/rare
unless theyre bad
like the one you just said lmao
maybe 2 of something like [[Sanctuary Warden]] for stuff like Angels, Counters, and Citizens
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gritty nest
since [[Elspeth Resplendant]] and [[giada, font of hope]] exists in the set
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Legendary Creature — Angel
Flying, vigilance
Each other Angel you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it for each Angel you already control.
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast an Angel spell.
Now she is New Capenna's greatest hope.
2/2
past socket
More like Giada, Font of Flight or Fight responses
gritty nest
Giada is specifically angel centric, having extras of cards that work in multiple themes sounds better imo
glad peak
Yep I would urge against giada
gritty nest
also Mudkip
These were the only NCC cards that appeared in set boosters
meaning no commander cards
gritty nest
Probably collectors boosters like the gilded foil?
glad peak
Those should count too
gritty nest
whys that?
glad peak
Just so we can get as much art from new capenna as possible
And to have more cards we can choose from
gritty nest
Should we be concerned about the power of the commander only cards though?
glad peak
Unless they don’t have art from snc so maybe not
glad peak
Should we be concerned about the power of the commander only cards though?
That’s the main reason why we’re looking at those cards
There’s a lot of trash in the main set and a lot of broken stuff in the main set we want to remove
gritty nest
Bad broken or too good broken?
glad peak
Both
gritty nest
Dang no [[Ledger Shredder]] then
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glad peak
Ledger shredder can stay but only as a maybe
We have to look at how the rest of the cube pans out
past socket
Yes she’s an Assassin not a Rogue but she supports Rogues so shush
gritty nest
I’m currently going through the main set to see what themes the deck centers around
So far tokens and citizens (tokens and non tokens)
Set not deck
glad peak
RG’s theme is easily the most broken because treasures easily make splashes easy
past socket
But yeah the name of the game with the Rogue Tribal I had in mind starring Marchesa, Dealer of Death was chipping away with different kinds of either unblockables or stuff they’d prefer not to block
glad peak
I just don’t like tribal decks in general
gritty nest
[[ramses, assassin lord]]
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glad peak
Super boring playstyle tbh, just dump stuff on field, do something
past socket
and getting value off that via stuff like Mari, Anowon, Sygg or Laughing Jasper Flint
gritty nest
What about krenko deck out
glad peak
Including that
It’s funny the first couple times then it’s just dump a bunch of stuff on the field for menial bonuses (yes including mill)
past socket
Tend to be a bit of a hipster about Typal stuff, trying to avoid the more popular commanders of that tribe
past socket
Like playing Firkraag instead of Miirym or The Ur-Dragon for Dragons for example
glad peak
The problem is that you can’t really be a hipster about tribal decks because most cases it’s literally just search scryfall for the type then port all the best ones
gritty nest
In my defense
I made Sethron without edhrec
But seriously though
Should I use all of the commander only cards available, or only the 8 that was in set boosters?
I could also just use the 8 main ones and the extended art/gilded ones from collector boosters
glad peak
I’d say keep your options open
gritty nest
fair
maybe a few key cards like uh
[[Skyway Robber]] or [[Sinister Concierge]] for blue for example
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Escape—, Exile five other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
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glad peak
Yeah stuff like that’s perfect
gritty nest
like a couple cards from each color that could help with certain strategies
glad peak
Just more stuff you can consider adding while removing outlier cards
gritty nest
i didnt think of [[aven courier]] because uh
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gritty nest
that just makes counters pretty stupid
glad peak
Maybe, there’s an autobalance mechanic so maybe not
gritty nest
Maybe
glad peak
Maybe it’s a fun way to bridge +1/+1counters and shields
gritty nest
We’ll see once I get the themes organized
gritty nest
Maybe it’s a fun way to bridge +1/+1counters and shields
Yea 100%, shield counters could work for like bant aggro
Bant tokens, bant aggro, bant counters
All in one color set
I don’t know if Angel tribal would be uh
Possible
But it would be funny to see it be tried
You know what I mean?
glad peak
Maybe, but I wouldn’t add cards specifically meant for Angel tribal, let the individual angels do something on their own and maybe have a tribal buff
glad peak
I can’t remember if Angels have these but I know zombies have a lot
gritty nest
But like the one Angel above I mentioned, would be nice to have multiple of for multiple themes
glad peak
Yeah giada is too far into that
gritty nest
And if someone gets both magically, they’re closer to Angel tribal if they uh
Decide on that
Hell scape
glad peak
say an there’s an Angel with flash gives a shield counter to anything you have and coincidentally if you have a counter on it then angels you control have lifelink
Something like that would be great
golden plover
Are you gonna add cards where the art is on New Capenna but not originally from the set
The commander masters fierce guardianship for example (although if this isn't a commander cube that'd be a bad choice)
All that Glitters is also on NC
Ohh and Jumpstart blood artist
And this bloom tender from foundations
This adds a couple cube staples
past socket
[[Gold Token]]
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Trying to remember if like
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Trying to figure if the Gold Tokens from Curse of Opulence were Artifacts like Treasures
for All That Glitters
golden plover
They are
gritty nest
The commander masters fierce guardianship for example (although if this isn't a ...
It’s not commander cube no
golden plover
Yeah
I was wrong on the card
It's counterspell, which is a much better cube pick
gritty nest
That looks more like archavios tbh
gritty nest
Just all that glitters and Counterspell is it?
gritty nest
That’s a lot of cards
We’ll see about adding outside set cards, I don’t want to make it too complicated with various sets
glad peak
That way you can have more options if something doesn’t work out
gritty nest
Fair
Right now the set is mainly centered around casualty, tokens, and counters
Casually being sacrifice stuff like blitz as well
golden plover
Henzie is fun as hell tho
past socket
The fun of insurance fraud and putting the fear of god in people by giving things haste that really should not have haste
Pure dopamine to blitz an Old Gnawbone
gritty nest
And how will henzie be in 1v1 40 card?
glad peak
Wouldn’t be too good tbh
You get a lot of card draw and if you outgrind them with a bunch of 1 for 1s then of course you win
glad peak
Pure dopamine to blitz an Old Gnawbone
I sure love blitzing in an Old Gnawbone in a new capenna theme cube 
past socket
Just gushing about my own experiences talking about Henzie in general
gritty nest
I sure love blitzing in an Old Gnawbone in a new capenna theme cube <:icant:1310...
no
zinc shard
was bro really expecting me not to block?
past socket
Holy shit The Marneus Calgar?
Still reminded that I can never escape the Ultramarines
gritty nest
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19k5FdTHKFFgBfMstqzOTErbZObuw7s6a_UoO4q0eqqM/edit?usp=sharing @glad peak
glad peak
I’ll take a look tomorrow, gotta sleep for the night
gritty nest
goodnight my dude
glad peak
Night night
glad peak
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Had a little bit of time to look over it, and first thing I’d address is that you’re going to want to balance off of 2 color ally themes and 2 enemy color niche (so the 3c) themes
Just to make the process of going into 3 colors smoother than just having 3c themes throughout
Let me check what the official themes were, I think it was something like treasures for gr, citizens for gw, etc
golden plover
I didn't read the whole thing but I saw you have Xander (and to a lesser extent Errant) in the maybe slot?
I wouldn't not put the faction leaders in the cube
They're kinda representative of their faction and it'd be a really odd exclusion
golden plover
This is the art for the Trinket Mage for 4 or 5??
Hope he gets a less silly art soon
copper pecan
nah this rules
golden plover
Duskmorn humans continue to have the worst arts in the multiverse