Magic the Gathering

[hidden ermine]

But the PvE is apparently doing decently

[lusty trench]

It was the mode most people ended up playing iirc

[hidden ermine]

Also tbh the official statement was indeed that the monetisation was the primary problem

As in, the game never made back the costs, even when it was popular

[lusty trench]

I have a feeling the physical card game won't be much different

[golden plover]

Tbf they never fucking advertised it

[hidden ermine]

Eh, the physical card game actually makes money on the cards

[lusty trench]

Nah that's just not true

[hidden ermine]

So all it has to do is get popular

Will it?

Ehh

[lusty trench]

They got all the big etcg streamers to hop on it

[hidden ermine]

Though caveat: LoR was never released in China

This one will release first in china

[trail anvil]

I think the visuals were just mediocre tbh

[hidden ermine]

So odds of making money off of it are already way higher

[hidden ermine]

Thats a hot take and wrong

[trail anvil]

I bought a board but the styles never really appealed that much

[hidden ermine]

My primary concern rn is that it doesnt feel very inspired

And also it looks like its only 1v1v1v1?

[trail anvil]

I could also argue their f2p model was too good but that's a sore subject

tbh copying off the most popular format of the most popular game doesn't seem like a bad idea to me

[hidden ermine]

Sure, but having that be the only format?

[lusty trench]

It's also a format known to have issues with locals level tournaments even ignoring the power level debate

[golden plover]

They mentioned competitive 1v1 down the line

[pulsar talon]

The monetization was the least of the issues tbh

They had an obnouxious format every 2 to 3 formats (what knocked down digimon's popularity a lot)

They added rotation midway through (kills basically any game that attempts this) and did a poor job at it, functionally it didnt had any consistent pattern and just banned shit they felt like hitting

There was just not much incentive to play the game, and there was basically no events

Did the bare minimum for advertising, specially long term, the LoL launcher didnt even acknowledge that it existed until the shift to pve

[hidden ermine]

The problem is that I dont see how they do that if they have cards that work only in 1v1v1v1

LoR never had a tier 0 format

... well maybe TF/Fizz would've been if it was allowed to exist longer

No wait

Ez/Kennen not TF/Fizz

[pulsar talon]

Maybe t0 isnt the right term

But yea the format half of the time was unsufferable

Ezrael anything, sun disc, yordle tree, elder dragon spam

TF

[lusty trench]

Me who just played nautilus

I catch-a da fish

[twilit canyon]

it all feels like a mess in the making but who knows

lor sounded great and failed

maybe this sounds like a fail but succeeds

[trail anvil]

elusive being a huge problem for most of the game's lifespan didn't help

[pulsar talon]

"what if almost every deck had flying and traded positively with removal" was certainly a design choice

[trail anvil]

trading positively with removal is fine, that's what blue does. I think riot forgot the other side of the equation though with sideboards being able to answer aggro and flying creatures having worse statlines to compensate lmao

[pulsar talon]

Its one thing when (mostly) blue does it because it has inherent drawbacks

Giving it to everyone and everything complicates things tho

[trail anvil]

I still wanted to see more reach. they did like 1 reach creature until towards the end

[pulsar talon]

Yea

I think they thought that you would use your elusives to counter theirs so it would balance out

Which is uh

A very faulty logic process

[trail anvil]

I think most of all the game needed a sideboard and best of 3, but we also never got that

then you can run cards that are normally suboptimal

well we did get bo3 but it's just different decks instead of a sideboard which was even more questionable to me

[past socket]

Wonder if I should upgrade the moth deck with [[Raul, Trouble-Shooter]] in minf instead of [[The Wise Mothman]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/115/raul-trouble-shooter

Raul, Trouble Shooter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Mutant Rogue
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a spell from among cards in your graveyard that were milled this turn.
: Each player mills a card. (They each put the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
"Raul Alfonso Tejada, former gunslinger and sole survivor of Hidalgo Ranch, at your service."
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/4/the-wise-mothman

The Wise Mothman <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Insect Mutant
Flying
Whenever The Wise Mothman enters or attacks, each player gets a rad counter.
Whenever one or more nonland cards are milled, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures, where X is the number of nonland cards milled this way.
3/3

[trail anvil]

if you did you'd have to cut green

[past socket]

Yep

[trail anvil]

I'm not sure I'd call that an upgrade either

[past socket]

And Raul would be goated in the 99 if I went Moth at least

[trail anvil]

yeah it'd be decent

[atomic harness]

They should put the riot dev guy I see in YouTube shorts all the time in charge of this 1v1v1v1 thing

[trail anvil]

when are we getting [[saint elenda]] on paper, this card is so fun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yotj/4/saint-elenda

Saint Elenda <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Cleric
Lifelink
When Saint Elenda enters, conjure a card of your choice from Saint Elenda's spellbook into your hand. You may cast that card this turn without paying its mana cost.
At the beginning of your end step, if you gained life this turn, create an X/X white Avatar creature token, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
4/7

[past socket]

Saint Elenda sounds super funny for Zedruu, can even give the tokens for stuff like Role Reversal or Puca’s Mischief

But eh there’s a gifted Akroan Horse at least

[trail anvil]

not quite sure what gifting the tokens does here

[past socket]

Role Reversal and Puca’s Mischief exchange the token for a target creature

[trail anvil]

you'd want to give them a much smaller token than that, there are much better cards for that lol

[past socket]

Like the aforementioned Akroan Horse giving 1/1 Soldier tokens to those who don’t have the H o n s e

[copper pecan]

i saw a bunch of advertising for it when it was first released

[sudden lava]

I'm tempted to throw the thespian stage+dark depths combo into my grouphug deck

[twilit canyon]

ok

[twilit canyon]

it really is kinda goated

[golden plover]

I keep seeing this weird Golgari reanimator build

They run the survival card that dumps Atraxa or Valgavoth, and then use zombify to get them back

I see overlord in it too, so I assume they plan on using that to mana fix for Atraxa?

[gritty nest]

Your opponent casts this, what’s the one card you can think of that would make this backfire?

My vote is [[Aetherflux Reservoir]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir

Aetherflux Reservoir <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, you gain 1 life for each spell you've cast this turn.
Pay 50 life: Aetherflux Reservoir deals 50 damage to any target.
While most power is used for ordinary, everyday tasks, one shouldn't underestimate its potential for the extraordinary.

[trail anvil]

oh it's not "in addition to their other costs"

[[ashnod's altar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/368/ashnods-altar

Ashnod's Altar <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Add .
"If you work at sawing up carcasses, you notice how the joints fit, how the nerves are arrayed, and how the skin peels back." —Ashnod, to Tawnos

[golden plover]

That's just worse than sol ring still

[trail anvil]

my dude that's infinite mana lol

unless I'm understanding that wrong

[golden plover]

Nah it is

Oh you're right

Well sol ring would be too

Since it wouldn't have to tap now

I guess realistically you'd want [[Basalt Monolith]] then

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/232/basalt-monolith

Basalt Monolith <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Basalt Monolith doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Add .
: Untap Basalt Monolith.

[golden plover]

But also consider [[Door to Nothingness]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m13/203/door-to-nothingness

Door to Nothingness <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact
Door to Nothingness enters tapped.
, , Sacrifice Door to Nothingness: Target player loses the game.
Only a madman could create such a door. Only an imbecile would open it.

[trail anvil]

yeah true

[golden plover]

1 mana destroy target player

[last glen]

Played my first (sorta) commander game
played against bots on an autosim

I both see the appeal and drawbacks of the game rules

Game went 64 turns

(I should not have given one of my opponents an azorius stun deck)

[copper pecan]

the liberals make me sacrifice my creatures when they enter the battlefield, because of evoke

[past socket]

I love how the King of Jund is just King of Insurance Fraud

[past socket]

Harmless Offering is just the best art in the game

No discussion

[sudden lava]

I mean it is a solid art, but TARDIS showcase TARDIS is better

feels like you are stepping into said time and space machine ready to go on some crazy adventure with the doctor

[past socket]

True also shoutout to this version of Krenko. Krenko as a smug prick just works. Goblins lmao

Honestly would be my go to if I wanna mess with Goblin Tribal if I get tired of Mob Boss lööps

[past socket]

OG Krenko’ll probs be in the deck anyways but still it is hilarious high little the Command Zone choice matters for Goblin Tribal ir seems

[past socket]

EDH really tickles my brain in the most Yugis way sometimes

Old cards committing all sorts of crimes

[sudden lava]

True

[past socket]

Also what would be the funniest creature type to make a sort of Tribal strat out of via Morophon The Boundless

[last glen]

[[Monophon the Boundless]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless

Morophon, the Boundless <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon, the Boundless enters, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6

[past socket]

Honestly it seems more like it gets used for WUBRG as much as the WUBRG reduction seems mint for more diverse tribes

Seen people do Morophon stuff with Giants and Slivers and was curious

[last glen]

7 CMC means it's not exactly a ramp piece

[past socket]

Yep, poor boi’s existence is WUBRG

[steady onyx]

damn jin gataxis that u?

[sudden lava]

got a retro border dark depths at locals today, but didnt get into a position to pull off the combo.

[stark skiff]

How does Forgotten Creation work if I discard a card with Dredge? Could I use Dredge instead of drawing the cards off Forgotten Creation?

[twilit canyon]

[[forgotten creation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/721/forgotten-creation

Forgotten Creation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Zombie Horror
Skulk (This creature can't be blocked by creatures with greater power.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may discard all the cards in your hand. If you do, draw that many cards.
"My earliest work escapes me." —Stitcher Geralf
3/3

[twilit canyon]

you may dredge cards equal to the amount of cards you discarded

[stark skiff]

So if I discard Golgari Grave Troll due to Forgotten Creation with 5 in hand I could forego drawing 5 and dredge 6 instead for Troll?

[atomic harness]

Thank you kid
I will be exploring my dredge stratagem because of this

[twilit canyon]

you would go to draw 1, sub it for dredge 6, ggt goes to hand, draw your 2nd card, dredge for your other dredge card etc etc

oh wait

i read this card wrong

yeah you'd replace the whole draw with a single dredge

but yes

you can discard ggt

to the card

and then replace the draw

[stark skiff]

Okay thank you

[subtle sierra]

uhhh did the mono white token control thingy fall off in standard?

[atomic harness]

I lift the ping embargo

[stark skiff]

@rigid scarab @sleek ferry @meager isle check out the new Yeezys

[atomic harness]

Finally some good food

[lusty trench]

You better pet that dog

[meager isle]

Why aren’t you here?

But damn that yoshimaru

[stark skiff]

I wouldn’t make it on time for the 3v3

[trail anvil]

it's still around tbh. not nearly as prevalent as during bloomburrow but I'd say it's probably a solid tier 2, you should still win plenty of matches

if you haven't played it since duskmourn the biggest update is probably 4-of [[enduring innocence]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/6/enduring-innocence

Enduring Innocence <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment Creature — Sheep Glimmer
Lifelink
Whenever one or more other creatures you control with power 2 or less enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
When Enduring Innocence dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
2/1

[trail anvil]

[[authority of consuls]] is an important reprint vs aggro in the sideboard too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/137/authority-of-the-consuls

Authority of the Consuls <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls enters, you gain 1 life.
Citizens are free to do as they wish, within the confines of the Consulate's laws.

[golden plover]

I got to mythic with it last season

But I was running a more midrange shell

Innocence, the overlord, toby, the doll room, and ghostly dancers from Duskmorn all helped

[ornate cedar]

Consuls is a key victory piece in my Hongry Vamp deck

It’s a little jank, but I love setting up the infinite life drain

[golden plover]

I was toying with that a while back in standard

This was the list I was playing

@ornate cedar dunno if this helps you or not

[ornate cedar]

This is my ideal list haha I need some more pieces like Essence Channeler. Thank you!

[twilit canyon]

not tier 1 but the best decks are things ppl are obsessed with and new meta means new things to test

[ornate cedar]

Is token control better in mono white or Selesnya?

[twilit canyon]

no reason to splash

at best, you do red so u can play recruiter for haste

[golden plover]

I'm honestly not sold on essence channeler. And you can run [[Ajani's Pridemate]] in the meantime

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/135/ajanis-pridemate

Ajani's Pridemate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Soldier
Whenever you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Once rejected by his pride, Ajani is now revered by countless leonin as a healer and, more importantly, a friend.
2/2

[golden plover]

Channeler doesn't add a ton over it

[ornate cedar]

That works!

[urban crane]

[[the tenth doctor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor

The Tenth Doctor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
Allons-y! — Whenever you attack, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. Put three time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend.
Timey-Wimey — : Time travel three times. Activate only as a sorcery. (For each suspended card you own and each permanent you control with a time counter on it, you may add or remove a time counter. Then do it two more times.)
3/5

[urban crane]

[[Rose Tyler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/5/rose-tyler

Rose Tyler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human
Rose Tyler gets +1/+1 for each time counter on it.
Bad Wolf — Whenever Rose Tyler attacks, put a time counter on it for each suspended card you own and each other permanent you control with a time counter on it.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
2/2

[urban crane]

I didn’t expect these to be this good jeez

[past socket]

Suspend certainly seems like a strategy

[urban crane]

They actually surprised me with how good they were playing

[past socket]

I at least think this is a suspend strategy?

[urban crane]

Does help some suspend cards are busted yeah

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/timeywimey-dr-who-david-tennant-gif-7863239

Just some of this

[glad peak]

Busted is uhhh

Subjective

[urban crane]

Turns out turn 1 [[lotus bloom]] and turn 1 [[mox tantalites]] also really nice for it

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/270/lotus-bloom

Lotus Bloom

Artifact
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
, Sacrifice Lotus Bloom: Add three mana of any one color.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/226/mox-tantalite

Mox Tantalite

Artifact
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
: Add one mana of any color.

[past socket]

I’fe been messing with the fight mechanic with [[Strong, the Brutish Thespian]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/84/strong-the-brutish-thespian

Strong, the Brutish Thespian <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Mutant Berserker
Ward
Enrage — Whenever Strong is dealt damage, you get three rad counters and put three +1/+1 counters on Strong.
You gain life rather than lose life from radiation.
"Strong learn secret to human power from Mack Beth."
7/7

[glad peak]

Unrelated, the deck that turns all your creatures into ragavans and then ad naus is pretty fun

[past socket]

Oops! All Ragavans!

Like Strong just wants to fight (the mechanic and smacking folks around) things and even mill a bit

It’s kinda like Voltron without worrying about awkward hands of not enough equips or not enough peeps to put those equips and auras on

[craggy moss]

After searching on and off for like a month, ive found my next commander, mill frog 🙂

[past socket]

Frogge

Who be the humble mille frogge

[craggy moss]

Mb for late reply

An actually fun self mill deck thats cheap 🙏🏻

Altho i still cant understand what counts as a spell, not very knowledgeable on the rules of this game in that regard 😭

[glad peak]

For the purposes of this card you can play anything from exile with a croak counter

But due to how the second ability works it’s most likely just permanents and playing lands (naturally as a special game action, not as a spell)

[trail anvil]

basically set everything you mill while grolnok is on the field into a pile. when grolnok is on the field you can play stuff from that pile. if he's not on the field you can't

[past socket]

Simic moment

ironically am messing a out with a mono green self mill deck

Strong smash

[trail anvil]

flubs ❤️

[past socket]

A very foolish boi

[past socket]

Is Green jsut actively the most prone to war crimes of colours in Commander?

[sleek ferry]

Wdym by war crimes

[past socket]

That you see that colour and you know something terrible is about to happen to the pod

[sleek ferry]

Depends tbh

In casual pods, I would only get that feeling from simic

[past socket]

Yeah I get you could make the argument that green is more the enabler for something else

Given all their ramp from Nature’s Lore to Rampant Growth

But most Simic stuff is why Sygg is cooler than Kumena and Hakbal for Merfolk Legendaries

[trail anvil]

simic is usually the most dastardly color in casual but honestly I wouldn't judge off of color combo alone

usually it's more likely that certain commanders are a pain in the ass than certain colors

[past socket]

Fair enough

Sygg my beloved anyways

[zinc shard]

TIL I have an Ancient Tomb

[glad peak]

Nah, black and blue or, if the opponent has underworld breach, red

If you want funny war crimes, white, and if you want mid war crimes, green

[craggy moss]

ruling question, what takes priority the return to field effect if hedge shredder or the grolnok exile effect when i mill a land?

or is just whatevrr i choose

[zinc shard]

https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/product/1107223/the-fairest-drop-of-all-foil-edition

Secret Lair is only in foil

also its only $25, and limited to one per customer

[glad peak]

Damn those are beautiful

[ornate cedar]

You mean they’re learning?

Maybe we can get made-to-order back as well if there is still some kind of fuck up

hypothetically speaking that is

I don’t want there to be another fuck up like the Marvel SL

[golden plover]

Steely Resolve alone makes this worth the value

Honestly a really good lair

The other 3 cards are kinda pretty bulk tho

[rigid scarab]

+3 adds to the unreadable commander deck

[golden plover]

Wait Steely Resolve is a weird inclusion in the hypothetical Tsuvasa or Estrid deck, since shroud means you can't put auras on them

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-december-9-2024

[stark skiff]

Eww

[sleek ferry]

Alright chat

I have access to every single secret lair ever released

Under market price

But I can only buy 1

Which one should I get

[lusty trench]

Through the wormhole galaxy foil?

[sleek ferry]

So far I’m considering extra life 2020, Black is Magic, the Shocks secret lairs

[sleek ferry]

Oh which one is this one

[lusty trench]

I've seen these in person they're beautiful

[past socket]

Arcane Signet goes the hardest here tbh

[last glen]

oh
I got the Secret Lair resale email
not too interested in the ones in this wave

maybe the Thalia and Naya shocks one

[golden plover]

Can you get the space one? I'd literally pay for it if you could lol

[last glen]

which one is the space one?

also probably not
I actually don't know if I have somewhere I can receive them

[golden plover]

@last glen this one

[sleek ferry]

Space one isn’t in this batch. Each wave has different product

[golden plover]

Sad. That's the best one

[sleek ferry]

Wave 2 closes end of this week I think

So I can let you know

If it pops up in the shop

[golden plover]

Gotcha

[zinc shard]

Its too easy

[stark skiff]

guess i looked too late i only see 2 SLD and one is sold out lol I woulda bought the Purrfection one

[craggy moss]

if two trigers would happen at same time for one effect, do i choose which occurs?

[last glen]

Oh
Are Aetherdrift reveals happening

No
Just lore

[rigid scarab]

The CEO of the company owning Dragon Shield admitted to $2B fraud

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/planeswalkers-guide-to-aetherdrift-part-1

[past socket]

h o n s e

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/avishkar-why-we-changed-the-name-of-a-plane

TL;DR Kaladesh is now called Avishkar

[glad peak]

Nahhh that’s not why they changed it

They changed it so the new name can have car in the name

Need cars in a race after all

[last glen]

in short
"kala" was chosen because it can mean "tomorrow" or "art"
but it also can mean "black" and often has racist connotations when used to describe a person

[hidden ermine]

Bigger problem is that the pronunciation everyone leaned to is the racist one

KAH-la-desh, vs the intended Ka-LAH-desh

[glad peak]

Tbh idk why wotc thought people wouldn’t do the first pronunciation since most people who play the game only speak English

Actually brb let me check what the Korean translation of it is pronounced

Never mind it doesn’t help either side

[past socket]

Gotta ask, what is the most broken card on the Commander banlist?

Like I’m guessing the Mox Jewels?

[rigid scarab]

[[Time Vault]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/287/time-vault

Time Vault <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Time Vault enters tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault.
: Take an extra turn after this one.

[rigid scarab]

When you see games of no-banlist cEDH, this card is frequently the wincon

[glad peak]

Definitely time vault

It’s more of a frequent win condition than thoracle

[past socket]

Don’t doubt it at all

[rigid scarab]

Time Vault + Any untapper is a better wincon than thoracle consult

[glad peak]

And people say thoracle is too powerful as is

[past socket]

Taking an extra turn just sounds busted, especially if one can loop it

[glad peak]

You don’t really need moxen to guarantee time vault wins either since it’s so cheap but it’s nice to have

[rigid scarab]

[[Channel]] and [[Karakas]] as honorable mentions

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/157/channel

Channel <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Until end of turn, any time you could activate a mana ability, you may pay 1 life. If you do, add .
To some mages, the meaning of life is less important than how much is left.

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/244/karakas

Karakas

Legendary Land
: Add .
: Return target legendary creature to its owner's hand.

[past socket]

Maybe I’m over valuing the Mox Jewels here

With my guess I mean

[rigid scarab]

As broken as the moxen are

[glad peak]

Wouldn’t say karakas is too powerful but it does shut down commander focused decks

[rigid scarab]

We have other cards like them

The only card remotely similar to Time Vault is Time Sieve

And you need to jump through hoops to make it

[glad peak]

Among cards that would immediately break the game if unbanned it’s either tinker or time vault

And tinker is used most times to get time vault

[rigid scarab]

Karakas + Aeons Torn

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t consider that too powerful

If you can get that then you deserve it

[past socket]

Emrakul, the very lore accurate trouble maker

Though more used to Promised End

[rigid scarab]

But my top 3 in the banlist are

Time Vault

Channel

And [[Yawgmoth's Bargain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/147/yawgmoths-bargain

Yawgmoth's Bargain <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
Pay 1 life: Draw a card.
He craves only one commodity.

[rigid scarab]

Don't really care that it's 6 mana

Because you win instantly

[past socket]

Life only matters when you’re at 0 sort of thing

Especially in a Black deck

[glad peak]

Oh yeah I forgot about bargain

[past socket]

Yawgmoth’s Bargain certainly isn’t a Faustian bargain

[rigid scarab]

You could make the argument that Ad Naus is comparable to bargain

But I think that's a bad argument

Shouts out to [[Tinker]] too

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https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/45/tinker

Tinker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact.
Search your library for an artifact card, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"I wonder how it feels to be bored." —Jhoira, artificer

[rigid scarab]

That is also 3 mana essentially win the game

[glad peak]

Bargain is much better than ad naus

[rigid scarab]

Now here's a discussion

What's the most broken banned creature in commander

And why is it Griselbrand

[glad peak]

Grizzy b

By far

[past socket]

The main creature bans I’m familiar with (since I came into Magic around this time) are Nadu and Dockside Extortionist

[rigid scarab]

If I had to name a creature other than grizzy

[past socket]

Like people were even talking about Nadu in gen yugis

[rigid scarab]

I think Dockside is up there

[past socket]

Treasure Tokens my beloved

[rigid scarab]

But also Hullbreacher

[glad peak]

Nadu was in gen yugis because it was legal while the server was up

[rigid scarab]

Rofellos is up there

[glad peak]

The anti-wheelers probably are the best bets

[past socket]

What were the crimes of Golos

[glad peak]

Being too popular

[rigid scarab]

Basically better Kenrith

You just default to him if you want a 5 colour deck

But Golos you can definitely argue can be unbanned

[past socket]

Because I understand Dockside and Hullbreacher as “Treasure tokens good. Lot of treasure tokens very good. They can give all the treasure tokens.”

[glad peak]

Hullbreacher was for another reason

[rigid scarab]

It's less so with Hullbreacher

Hullbreacher denies card draw

Much much much harder than Tithe could dream of doing

[past socket]

And Tithe is imo a must include if you can play white

[rigid scarab]

If you play Hullbreacher

And a wheel

You have 21 treasures

And your opponents have 0 cards in hand

You win

[past socket]

Turning Wheel of Fortune into Me Wantee

[glad peak]

It’s better tithe and it hand loops

[rigid scarab]

And it has flash for some reason

[past socket]

But yay I got dockside right!

[rigid scarab]

Dockside is

An autoinclude if your playing red

And can be looped

It also is a card that retroactively punishes the game for progressing

[past socket]

Maybe I’m just being a bird brain with the treasure tokens thing

Fixating on the shinies that give me more mana

[glad peak]

It’s also a card that singlehandedly made a bunch of tier 2 cedh decks playable, much more than any in the ban list so far

[rigid scarab]

Yeah

If a single card can be pointed at as a reason to run a colour

Maybe that card is an outlier

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/Y6ILEKjy008

[copper pecan]

oh boy i can't wait to see grifters get upset about this because they can't comprehend the idea of people caring about something they don't

[sudden lava]

video on the aetherdrift worldbuilding

[past socket]

And a few of the banned creatures seem there for being extremely irritating/unfun

Like Iona or Erayo

[copper pecan]

yeah both of those are super obnoxious

they're not broken or anything but iona is just not fun gameplay

erayo is probably too weak for very many people to use it but it still isn't fun

[sudden lava]

Look at the absolute friend

[past socket]

Can’t race due to having plenty of eye on the prize

But honestly a Beholder being MC of or commentator on anything seems dope

Save a fucking mint on camera costs

[golden plover]

Pioneer Masters is easy

7-0

Also the Kaladesh name change is weird

[past socket]

STORMTIDE!

[golden plover]

Ramp into him gg

[past socket]

Me but exile him off Mimeoplasm with a different big guy gg

[sudden lava]

Coincidence Im sure (joking)

Products available including the 2 precons

Living Energy: "Stockpile Energy"/"Charge up Artifact Creatures"
Eternal Might: "Burn through cards"/ "Grow your Mummy Army"

[zinc shard]

Mummies

Um, I think you guys are lost..Ahmonkhet is 3 planes down the block

[sudden lava]

The race is partially on Amonkhet

As for the Amazon bundle and single decks (though not a good source as people had issues with them in the past) the bundle is going for 180 dollars which is the same amount if you bought each deck at 45 dollars individually

[ornate cedar]

I really couldn’t care less about Aetherdrift

The concept is just so dull

Hopefully the cards can turn me around

[past socket]

Oh cool Mummies, haven’t seen those before (probably already a thing but haven’t seen em yet given Amonkhet)

[barren cairn]

Why is it another energy deck

I was hoping vehicles tbh

[ornate cedar]

Vehicles do seem like a no brainer

Maybe if they had some mad max type of racers I could get into it

[barren cairn]

Ah well I'll stick to shorikai

[ornate cedar]

But all I can think of is Nascar

That’s my bias though

[past socket]

A simplistic aggro vehicle deck would be the funniest way to have NASCAR.dek

[sudden lava]

energy and artifacts

[past socket]

Already encroaching on Dr Li’s turf smh

[sudden lava]

very likely we will get a vehicle or few in there

[barren cairn]

So like every other energy precon

[past socket]

Or at least how Science! works

[ornate cedar]

Dale Erenhardt Jr Jeskai commander or I riot

[past socket]

Dr Madison Li’s probably more an artifacts matter deck

[sudden lava]

"Charge up artifact creatures", maybe we can use energy to throw the cars?

[past socket]

Now that’s funny

[ornate cedar]

Ooh, turn the cars into flying cars

[past socket]

Throw the cars at your enemies

[ornate cedar]

We better be able to throw a cybertruck

Into the trash

Hahahaha

[sudden lava]

Bello enters the chat

[past socket]

Also on a random note

Fight is a really funny mechanic

[barren cairn]

i guess i can supplement my temur gimbal deck

[past socket]

I’m very curious about Mummies due to the image of that mummy precon

[ornate cedar]

Bello is really coming into his own lol

[barren cairn]

i guess my options for vehicles are

[past socket]

When was the last time Mummies were supported actually

[sudden lava]

If we're lucky, Living Energy will have big vehicles in green/red for Bello to throw

[ornate cedar]

It has the colors, right?

Being Temur

[sudden lava]

temur so yes

[past socket]

blue black white is Esper, right?

[ornate cedar]

Ok, maybe a little hype then

[ornate cedar]

Yes

[sudden lava]

yes esper is WUB

[sudden lava]

It's gonna be amass zombies

[past socket]

But yeah being UB, Eternal Might sounds like my cup of tea

[sudden lava]

and mill

[ornate cedar]

Those are the only two we know, right?

[past socket]

I really like Dimir

[sudden lava]

The only two

there is no third or 4th

[past socket]

Though my focus recently has been Sultai

[ornate cedar]

Ah, my bad, I thought there were four for some reason

[past socket]

Mimeoplasm and Mothman my beloved

[sudden lava]

yeah this set is going with 2 precons instead of 4

[ornate cedar]

That’s interesting

I wonder why

[past socket]

So Mummies aren’t actually a creature type

[sudden lava]

they are zombies

[past socket]

Fair fair

Mummies in most fantasy being Zombies with an aesthetic

[sudden lava]

it's so clear the deck is gonna be mill+amass matters

[past socket]

Token stuff it seems

[sudden lava]

"burn through cards" (Mill) and "mummy army"

[past socket]

OH YEAH BABY ITS SCARAB GOD TIME

[sudden lava]

Add in the set takes a third of on amonkhet

[past socket]

Scarab God is so cool

If it works with Eternal Might I am so using it

[lusty trench]

Worth noting the finish line bundle mentions a box topper

[ornate cedar]

Is the Finish Line bundle like the Nightmare bundle from Duskmourn?

Where it has 6 play boosters and 2 deluxe boosters?

[golden plover]

Oh we know who won the race, or at least has the aetherspark

It's ||Vraska||

So I assume masked racer is Jace?

[lusty trench]

||her and Jace picking up plot mcguffins to assemble the infinity gauntlet?||

[ornate cedar]

The Masked Racer is Elon Musk

[past socket]

The Infinity Macguffin?

[golden plover]

||Seems like it.. I assume someone else wins the race and Jace swoops in to steal it/get Loot back||

[past socket]

Also memo to self, get more acquainted with Zombies

the new Mummy guy looks really cool too on the Eternal Might box

[sudden lava]

yeah they mentioned box toppers will in in this for a couple products

[copper pecan]

||that doesn't look like vraska in the picture||

[sudden lava]

I want Chandra to win.

[past socket]

Also wondering who this fellow on my deckbox is. I think he’s from Bloomburrow but can’t remember

[sudden lava]

Thats the family matters guy

cant remember name

[past socket]

Urkel?

[sudden lava]

Zinnia

https://blog.cardkingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/zinnia.png

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4AjZ6CuKF9h8Pek9a3YSjNHg-HG-a4M0dpg&s

[past socket]

Bird up

Also what would be some cool Zombie Commanders in the meantime?

Already familiar with Wilhelt, the Rotcleaver

Ooo Jeskai

Friend is obsessed with the colour combo

[past socket]

Sounds like a chill strategy

[sudden lava]

or

[past socket]

Might try Nevinyrral

Get used to Esper Zombies

As hard as Narfi goes

Zombie Wizard sounds so badass

Also how do you pronounce Nevinyrral?

Neh-vin-ih-ral, right?

Also could go the route of Varina, Lich Queen ig for Esper Zombies?

[ornate cedar]

Just unlocked the mastery pack

Holy shit I feel spoiled

So many orbs

How is Pioneer so far for those doing the draft?

[golden plover]

Draft seemed good from the two I did

[ornate cedar]

I might try it since I got a draft coin

[zinc shard]

wow Cat Oven sucks in Explorer

[zinc shard]

im cooking

saw 3 oaths but no planeswalkers

[past socket]

I need some tips in getting as jacked as Hero of Iroas

[zinc shard]

all it takes is some [[Conviction]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/uma/12/conviction

Conviction <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+3.
: Return Conviction to its owner's hand.
"There is no greater coward than one who believes in nothing."

[past socket]

Not a creature, sad

[zinc shard]

Started with 2 straight losses

[lusty trench]

We take those, good job

[trail anvil]

somehow this was the only deck I'm winning with in this event

when in doubt with pioneer just stick in good standard cards /s

this isn't actually a good deck vs some of the best decks but it's doing okay vs all the random stuff people are playing

[golden plover]

The more I use [[Kaito, Cunning Infiltrator]] the more I'm convinced everyone is sleeping on him. He's so strong

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/44/kaito-cunning-infiltrator

Kaito, Cunning Infiltrator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Kaito
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a loyalty counter on Kaito.
+1: Up to one target creature you control can't be blocked this turn. Draw a card, then discard a card.
−2: Create a 2/1 blue Ninja creature token.
−9: You get an emblem with "Whenever a player casts a spell, you create a 2/1 blue Ninja creature token."
Loyalty: 3

[golden plover]

He guarantees preacher/slasher connects, gets 2-3 loyalty a turn because of all your fliers sticking around, comes with at least 1 free body, and the ult is game winning

[golden plover]

Why can't I target [[Eddymurk Crab]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/48/eddymurk-crab

Eddymurk Crab <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental Crab
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Eddymurk Crab enters tapped if it's not your turn.
When Eddymurk Crab enters, tap up to two target creatures.
5/5

[last glen]

Was there anything relevant in the GY?

[golden plover]

Nah, lost the match to a bug

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/trEYPdjYlS8

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/planeswalkers-guide-to-aetherdrift-part-2

i'm really liking the lore of this set so far

[golden plover]

I had a really bad idea

I wanted her 2nd 0 to be "if you payed 5 or more E this way, she deals that much damage to each opponent and each creature instead" but artificer sucks

[sudden lava]

surprised you came up with a whole other name when we have the one in the set's name already

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaw523xbUAAw2as.jpg:large

[golden plover]

Is that not how it's spelled?

Oh nah, this wouldn't be for Aetherdrift Chandra

[sudden lava]

Ah ok

[golden plover]

This is for a Chandra in a future standard set with energy

I think the 2nd 0 should be a -2 or -3

[sleek ferry]

He’s kinda mediocre bro, not even going to lie to you

Especially when we have a better Kaito in standard

[golden plover]

I mean, I'm on 3 of the better one and 1 of him

He usually makes a free blocker and draws a few cards worse case scenario

[copper pecan]

bruh people are gonna go wild for this character

[sleek ferry]

Would

[rigid scarab]

No salt I think its just you

[copper pecan]

i'm not gonna waifu a froge

i'm saying that other people will waifu the froge

[past socket]

Friend the frogge

like with a certain fool

[sudden lava]

GIANT FROG GODDESS

[last glen]

Saurids
"humanoid dinosaurs"
Dinosaur support? Poggers?

[sudden lava]

Yeah we getting some dinos this set

and oozes

[ornate cedar]

Gives me Egyptian vibes

[last glen]

She is from the Egyptian-inspired plane

[sudden lava]

Amonkhet is egyptian themed plane so yes

Hoping we get a new Huatli in the precon

[golden plover]

Version 2.0 for the Chandra idea

-2 should be a -4

[lusty trench]

Loyalty becomes equal to energy just makes this a 5 mana win

It's incredibly easy to get energy

5 mana nuke your opponents board and their face for like 10 and have it stick around is crazy

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/ALUxJPWwGUE?si=tXzk2O0JNlFT-QGz

[golden plover]

Yeah I realize that I don't think there's salvaging that idea because of the MH3 stuff

I don't think there's a way to do loyalty = energy, even without the ult

[past socket]

God I love Kenrith’s art so much

[golden plover]

Because soul guide alone makes this really hard to kill

I like the idea of loyalty = energy a lot, but energy is kinda impossible to balance now

[past socket]

Though last I saw Kenrith was someone making a theme of using every “You lose the game” card to create a Mission Failed Successfully.dek. Yes I’m aware Kenrith, the Returned King is Golos 2.

[glad peak]

You can still balance it if you make it extremely expensive (or at least more expensive than modern energy wants to play) and give it maybe only a nuke

So turns out commander is a whole lot more interesting when the game is to be in second place rather than first

[golden plover]

I did go with 3RR so modern can't play both it and Jegantha, but I think they'd probably just play this over Jegantha

[glad peak]

But the problem is 5 is still doable for them

[golden plover]

Yeah that's the other issue

[glad peak]

So maybe 6? 6 might be the threshold where I’d be iffy to play it

[golden plover]

Honestly I don't think there's a way to do energy cards that would theoretically enter modern without them being VERY weak now

[golden plover]

6 would work, but it'd feel like shit in standard

[glad peak]

6 but you get some energy when using any of her abilities and one of her abilities is a board wipe

[golden plover]

Yeah, but even in standard 6 is a HUGE ask for something that's not putting you on the winning track

[sudden lava]

btw a clarification on the "full legal name" wording on the audition for SUP fan episode, Prof clarified to use the name you use day to day (Don't send deadname)

[golden plover]

MAYBE 1RRRR? But that just feels wrong

[glad peak]

True but that’s the point, it’s a pretty meh card but if you build around her she’s a great finisher

[golden plover]

I think there's just not a way to easily salvage it since... Balancing around energy now after MH3 seems impossible

[glad peak]

Or a stabilizer depending on what abilities you give her

[past socket]

Love Prof so much. Outside of a rec from some mates upon starting to learn Magic, Shuffle Up and Play was what really shoved me down the Commander rabbit hole

[glad peak]

It would depend a lot on the cards around her

[golden plover]

If they ever put energy back in a standard she's likely fine there

But the issue is that the MH3 energy cards are just too much

She cannot exist in a world with Guide of Souls or Galvanic Discharge

[past socket]

Counters are so fun sometimes

Though more used to +1/+1’s

[stark skiff]

It got me addicted too ngl

[zinc shard]

Don't agree with all his takes but he's a good person

[past socket]

Dude’s just quite the entertainer

Also I wonder how much a “Secret Commander” sort of thing has been explored. Where sure you have a Commander in the Command Zone but the main lynchpin of your deck is the 99 instead.

Like Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer being there for getting out Norin the Wary

Rocco just being the tutor to getting the Norin advantage engine online

[trail anvil]

pretty explored, but it's usually pretty fun

one person at my locals did that with venerated rotpriest for combo wins

[past socket]

The first one I ever saw was one around Throne of The Grim Captain

which iirc used Thrasios and Francisco for the colours for the Dinos, Merfolks, Pirates and Vampires for Throne

[[The Grim Captain]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/266/throne-of-the-grim-captain-the-grim-captain

Throne of the Grim Captain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
: Mill two cards.
Craft with a Dinosaur, a Merfolk, a Pirate, and a Vampire (, Exile this artifact, Exile the four from among permanents you control and/or cards in your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

The Grim Captain
Legendary Creature — Skeleton Spirit Pirate
Menace, trample, lifelink, hexproof
Whenever The Grim Captain attacks, each opponent sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice. Then you may put an exiled creature card used to craft The Grim Captain onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.
7/7

[past socket]

Though could prob go other partner combinations with Malcolm as the partner though will need a Green Black Partner if one doesn’t want to use Thrasios|Francisco

[trail anvil]

||I saw josh with the kenrith deck and for a second I thought some shit was about to go down, but man that deck was rough lmao||

[past socket]

I do love the whole Monarch theme

As much as my brain ends up devolving to making jokes about THE MIGHTY MONARCH

The Orthion deck was hilarious imo

[zinc shard]

there's only one true monarch

[past socket]

||At least from seeing the copying Smaug play||

Any particular cool cards around Monarchy?

Though I will say having Starscream as a Monarch strategy is objectively hilarious

[trail anvil]

[[jared carthalion, true heir]] is probably the other one

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/281/jared-carthalion-true-heir

Jared Carthalion, True Heir <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
When Jared Carthalion, True Heir enters, target opponent becomes the monarch. You can't become the monarch this turn.
If damage would be dealt to Jared Carthalion while you're the monarch, prevent that damage and put that many +1/+1 counters on it.
"I'm here for what's mine."
3/3

[zinc shard]

ah yes ty game, thats the ability i wasnt clear on

[past socket]

You can exile it from grave for a cost, 3+Golgari here, to give +1/+1 counters to a target creature equal to this creature’s power though you can only play it as you woulf a sorcery

Golgari cards go so hard artwise fr

[trail anvil]

there's currently a bug with scavenge where it doesn't show the tooltip, they're aware but it might be a few more days

[past socket]

Though it’s probably me just liking Magic’s Zombies

Zombies and Liches are the shit

[rigid scarab]

||These decks were not infact unique||

[rigid scarab]

||I was seeing his wheels spin for awhile and thought "Wait... that's it?"||

[trail anvil]

||for jimmy or josh||

[rigid scarab]

||Josh, but what Jimmy got looks like an ultra highroll||

[trail anvil]

||jimmy got an ultra highroll into an unfortunate stop lol||

[rigid scarab]

||Also Josh has not won a GK this year||

[past socket]

Also what are some other Secret Commanders around outside of the likes of Norin the Wary and The Grim Captain

[golden plover]

Easy

Rank up match was some form of Temur rotpriest meme

[golden plover]

1 game in and I'm already numbered

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mkVE1iVAE

[stark skiff]

could i get some feedback for this Wolverine deck? Not sure if I'm missing anything obvious or need a better balance of stuff

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10429028/wolverine

[sudden lava]

No double strike?

[stark skiff]

oh what should i include for it

[past socket]

Not entirely sure though I wish you the best in turning opponent’s into SWISS CHEESE

[twilit canyon]

a million 2x strike equips and u pick dogshit

incredible

twice

wow

[twilit canyon]

idt u need a double strik enabler but if u do theres embercleave and leyline axe

anything else is kinda shit tbh

super slight edge to running a double strike creature that is quality to slap stuff onto but meh

[sudden lava]

embercleave also costs 6 mana, 9 after equip. Leyline 4 (7 after) equip.

[lusty trench]

Honourable mention to [[two handed axe]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/203/two-handed-axe-sweeping-cleave

Two-Handed Axe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, double its power until end of turn.
Equip

Sweeping Cleave
Instant — Adventure
Target creature you control gains double strike until end of turn. (Then exile this card. You may cast the artifact later from exile.)

[sudden lava]

and can run the others in same deck anyway

[twilit canyon]

not worth deck space for rather mid cards

cleave and axe give the only thing that matters to 2x strike which is evasion and a bit of power

[sudden lava]

dont remember if you have them in, but other damage multipliers

to make the opponents extra swiss cheese

[last glen]

rough day on the pioneer ladder

lost to counter planeswalker proliferate mass
and then monored aggro

[stark skiff]

yeah not a fan of using up mana for it. figured id want wolverine fighting more anyways and trampling

[twilit canyon]

trample is your friend indeed

double strike is basically overkill in too many spots

but trample double strike from smth like cleave or axe is actually quite solid as a result cus it has the built-in evasion

usually first strike trample is enough tho

[stark skiff]

yeah guess ill go with this build for now. just feels like i want more creatures even though i know wolverine is the main usage guy lol

[twilit canyon]

ye

playing quality creatures can help tbf

slapping good stuff on them is usually a good plan since wolverine in your opponent's ideal world never attacks

[past socket]

Titanoth Rex my beloved

[past socket]

Also wpuld Strong, the Brutish Thespian be close to the way The Incredible Hulk would be designed if he was in the Marvel stuff?

[last glen]

this is true magic the gathering

[past socket]

Strong, the Brutish Thespian my beloved

[urban crane]

Came in earlier this week

[trail anvil]

40 chips x 4 mult

[past socket]

That innocence is very much enduring

[gritty nest]

dumb question, but does anyone know of a card that's a one time version of Krenko, Mob Boss' ability?

[trail anvil]

hare apparent

[gritty nest]

no

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/j1y86dssTkSL8toPOnTvlg

I made Krenko deck #481157118447722241

[trail anvil]

why does it need to be one time

[gritty nest]

i remember my friend having a Krenko deck, not casting Krenko and still killing everyone

[golden plover]

Hate losing to that non-red Overlord deck. It's just so greedy

[past socket]

Lot of nasty stuff in Mono-Red even if you can’t Krenko combo people into being smothered by a billion gobbos

[trail anvil]

so.. domain?

if you hate losing to it I imagine aggro would match up well

[golden plover]

Yeah domain

I'm on Dimir mid and it's been fine everywhere but that

[past socket]

Truly a person of taste

[trail anvil]

maybe it's not that greedy

[twilit canyon]

its not

its meant to be efficient

thats why its non-red

[gritty nest]

I just saw the aetherdrift precons and I have to buy the temur one

[glad peak]

What are they?

[past socket]

iirc one Temur and one Esper

I need more
zombo in my life

[copper pecan]

they're temur energy and esper zombies

[gritty nest]

Saheeli temur energy and esper zombies with a dude from
Amonkhet

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lesbians-gif-13879235

[stark skiff]

hope the mummy one is cool

[sudden lava]

Im excited for the temur energy one

[sudden lava]

Got your amass stuff ready?

[stark skiff]

idk what that is

[sudden lava]

Amass is a keyword action introduced in War of the Spark that creates and grows an Army

reminder text: Amass [subtype] N (Put N +1/+1 counters on an Army you control. It’s also a [subtype]. If you don’t control an Army, create a 0/0 black [subtype] Army creature token first.)

The keyword of note was mainly used for amonkhet zombies IE mummies

The fact they use mummy army as the wording is clearly pointing it to be an amass deck

example of such

so yeah @stark skiff, that's the mechanic expected of the mummy precon

[trail anvil]

the mummy art looks underwhelming sadly

[stark skiff]

Oh yeah I forgot about that from Bowmasters lmao

Not a big fan of it but never played a dedicated build of it lol

[sudden lava]

well maybe the mummy precon could be a good start, unless they make it cringe and "mummy army" just refers to go wide.

Instead of actual army mechanic

[stark skiff]

I was expecting go wide tbh lol

[past socket]

All I know is energy got some cool stuff in MH3, right?

[stark skiff]

Yes they’ve been pushing it for a while now

[sudden lava]

thats the other precon

[glad peak]

Energy got some absurd things in mh3

[gritty nest]

ive modified the deck since earlier tbh

[past socket]

Ooo cool

[urban crane]

What do people think is worse to play against slivers or ur dragon

[rigid scarab]

Slivers

Not close

[gritty nest]

people have a somewhat unreasonable fear of eldrazi and slivers

just like

run an actual removal package and be smart about it

[lusty trench]

Slivers I get because once they get indestructible games probably over

Eldrazi however give you all the time in the world to deal with them

[last glen]

Just gotta run under them

[glad peak]

Slivers

It’s difficult to keep track of especially when people don’t pay attention and people have to ask over and over again

But neither are particularly strong

[urban crane]

Wdym both are pretty decent if you build it well ur dragon and slivers I mean

[glad peak]

they're decent but i wouldn't say you should really be scared of them

[fallow citrus]

the only thing I remember is people hated me playing the cascade sliver because the triggers were slow on cockatrice

[past socket]

haha sliver go cascade

[copper pecan]

people hating ur dragon is crazy

it's literally 9 mana

if your games are lasting so long that your opponent can reliably get to 9 mana then your deck is way too slow

[past socket]

Ig it’s more part of some people’s….distaste?….of Eminence?

And tbf Ur-Dragon is far less egregious than other Eminence Commanders

[barren cairn]

Something I thought would be interesting is like

A negative eminence ability put on a really powerful for low mana legend

[lusty trench]

I could reliably get Ur dragon like turn 6 when I played but even then she has no protection

It's usually just better to not even cast her/run miiryn

[past socket]

Only thing I can think that can get it in real quick is like

[[Hellkite Courser]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/183/hellkite-courser

Hellkite Courser <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
When Hellkite Courser enters, you may put a commander you own from the command zone onto the battlefield. It gains haste. Return it to the command zone at the beginning of the next end step.
The charge was heralded not by horns, but by the dragon's echoing roar.
6/5

[trail anvil]

that's companion

[lusty trench]

real quick
5 mana

[trail anvil]

instead of being low mana you get a second commander without the color benefits

[past socket]

Well real quick for well

Wanting to get out the goddamn Ur-Dragon

But I think Miirym’s funnier as well

Copying Dragons has to have a lot of funny applications

[lusty trench]

Making copies of miirym is fun

And then you make copies of terror of the peaks

And then cast earthquake dragon for 1

[past socket]

And then death

[lusty trench]

Unironically how I won with Ur dragon a lot of the time

[past socket]

I just embrace her being there for (slightly) cheaper Dragons

[lusty trench]

Yeah she definitely has her purpose but people make the mistake of actually casting her

Goldspan for 3 mana is crazy

Also this is good

[past socket]

Definitely nice for 1 + Red for sure

And besides the ultimate WUBRG Dragon to actually cast is clearly Tiamat for the sheer laughs and a bunch of dragons

[lusty trench]

My list of cards to play in Ur dragon to make your opponent really concerned that your deck has an early/mid game

(invasion of tarkir has won me games)

[past socket]

Love a chance to play a Siege

[[Invasion of Amonkhet]] my beloved

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/231/invasion-of-amonkhet-lazotep-convert

Invasion of Amonkhet <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Amonkhet enters, each player mills three cards, then each opponent discards a card and you draw a card. (To mill three cards, a player puts the top three cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Defense: 4

Lazotep Convert
Creature — Zombie
You may have Lazotep Convert enter as a copy of any creature card in a graveyard, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
As the lazotep covered his body, he heard Norn's voice fade from a deafening clarion to a distant whisper.
4/4

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTTW1Sw2IYY&ab_channel=PleasantKenobi

About sneaky worldplay in EDH politics

[glad peak]

yapping is a good strat yep

[past socket]

Reminds me of a Polish folk tale about a deal with the devil

With the use of sneaky wording

[rigid scarab]

Less about how it increases odds of winning and moreso how it affects expectations and experiences at the table

[past socket]

I mean competitive gaslighting is a Commander strategy

[rigid scarab]

Yeah but like

In the scenario itself

The competitive gaslighting was done to a casual player who had her bf with her

Not everyone comes to an edh table to play werewolf

If the table is down for that then yeah perfectly good

[past socket]

Oh I was just meaning group hug

[lusty trench]

Yeah this just feels like why do this

You could've said nothing and the scenario would've largely stayed the same

The only thing this did do was slightly optimise your own play and absolutely crush the morale of your opponent in a casual setting

All for what two packs of foundations?

If this was a more competitive environment with stuff actually on the line, whatever, yap all you want it can and will be disregarded unless either your opponent is stupid and believes what you say about private info or you reveal it and they get free hand knowledge and the ability to play around it

A .2% chance at a foil twinflame tyrant is not worth me nuking someone's enjoyment of the evening

[trail anvil]

honestly I have trouble doing this during competitive games even, which is why I probably one reason why I won't realistically top anything lol

during commander though is just ridiculous imo

[lusty trench]

There's a big difference between politics in commander and strategic bluffing in competitive

Strategic bluffing usually requires no talking whatsoever

[gritty nest]

my commander is krenko, do you hold your removal for krenko because i can turbo that bastard out?

[past socket]

I doubt it’s that hard from Krenko to rebound from removal, it’s probably either avoiding the Krenko player looping Krenko or avoiding Krenko getting haste?

[gritty nest]

maybe

but i have a funnier idea

t1 land [[Goblin Lackey]]
t2 land [[Goblin Recruiter]] stack 6 goblins
hit someone with lackey on turn 2 because most likely not gonna have a blocker
drop a free [[Muxus]] and casually go +6

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/167/goblin-lackey

Goblin Lackey <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
Whenever Goblin Lackey deals damage to a player, you may put a Goblin permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.
At the first sign of enemy scouts, Jula grinned and strapped on his diplomacy helmet.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/186/goblin-recruiter

Goblin Recruiter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
When Goblin Recruiter enters, search your library for any number of Goblin cards, reveal them, then shuffle and put those cards on top in any order.
"Next!"
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/24/muxus-goblin-grandee

Muxus, Goblin Grandee <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Noble
When Muxus, Goblin Grandee enters, reveal the top six cards of your library. Put all Goblin creature cards with mana value 5 or less from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Whenever Muxus attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each other Goblin you control.
4/4

[past socket]

Goblin Tribal gaming

[gritty nest]

basically grab all the goblin lords, t3 kill someone

or [[Blood moon]] kill the 5c player

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon

Blood Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Heavy light flooded across the landscape, cloaking everything in deep crimson.

[gritty nest]

(one of the goblin lords gives 1/1 and mountainwalk)

[past socket]

[[Goblin Warchief]] my beloved

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/130/goblin-warchief

Goblin Warchief <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Goblin spells you cast cost less to cast.
Goblins you control have haste.
Not since the days of Pashalik Mons have the Rundvelt goblins been so united or effective.
2/2

[gritty nest]

[[Goblin King]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/10e/207/goblin-king

Goblin King <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
Other Goblins get +1/+1 and have mountainwalk.
To be king, Numsgil did in Blog, who did in Unkful, who did in Viddle, who did in Loll, who did in Alrok. . . .
2/2

[gritty nest]

peak goblin gaming

my friend is letting me use their unglued goblin tokens for this deck

[sudden lava]

Oh Concordia you ready for the upcoming goblins?

[gritty nest]

no because i didnt read them

[past socket]

Though as much as Mono-Red Gobbos are simple yet effective, I’ve always wanted to try Rakdos Goblins

Is there other Commanders for that other than [[Wort, Boggart Auntie]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/252/wort-boggart-auntie

Wort, Boggart Auntie <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Shaman
Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return target Goblin card from your graveyard to your hand.
Auntie always knows which berries to lick, which kithkin to trick, and what to do when either goes wrong.
3/3

[sudden lava]

None got revealed besides new Daretti

[gritty nest]

now hear me out

[sudden lava]

But like, they are gonna be one of the dual color themes of the set

[gritty nest]

[[Ovika, Enigma Goliath]] phyrexian goblin storm

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/663/ovika-enigma-goliath

Ovika, Enigma Goliath <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Nightmare
Flying
Ward—, Pay 3 life.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create X 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature tokens, where X is the mana value of that spell. They gain haste until end of turn.
6/6

[lusty trench]

Yeah krenko is a bully out of the game commander

[gritty nest]

casually kills the table without casting Krenko

thats what im intending this krenko deck to do

[lusty trench]

At that point then why have krenko

Why not use a different commander

[sudden lava]

We dont know what plane they are from, and they worship BOOSTGOD

[gritty nest]

because everyone hyper focuses krenko to the point they never remove anything

[lusty trench]

Just playing goblins will get you targeted early though

[gritty nest]

in my area at least

[sudden lava]

and is gonna be an all goblin team

[past socket]

Honestly I’ve always understood Goblin Tribal to not really care for the command zone unless it’s Krenko combos in mond

[gritty nest]

optimally id want [[General Kreat]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/j25/48/general-kreat-the-boltbringer

General Kreat, the Boltbringer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Soldier
Whenever one or more Goblins you control attack, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token that's tapped and attacking.
Whenever another creature you control enters, General Kreat, the Boltbringer deals 1 damage to each opponent.
To cross swords with her is a shockingly bad idea.
2/2

[gritty nest]

because goblin impact tremors

[lusty trench]

Honestly if I see you have a goblin commander deck I'm removing you from the table rather than what you play

Easier

[past socket]

[[Krenko, Baron of Tin Street]] is pretty neat at least

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/135/krenko-baron-of-tin-street

Krenko, Baron of Tin Street <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin
Haste
, Sacrifice an artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Goblin you control.
Whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. It gains haste until end of turn.
3/3

[gritty nest]

thats the smart thing

because I dont think anyone wants to deal with t2 muxus and go +6

[lusty trench]

Yeah, ultimately it will just be you present the deck to the table and either they correctly determine they need to gang up on you or bust

[glad peak]

goblins have enough must kills that the plan is moreso overload their removal or die to a wipe

[gritty nest]

yea

my locals just

hyper focuses krenko and doesnt remove other threats

[glad peak]

but also they're just 1 ofs so it's not too consistent

[lusty trench]

Casuals also just don't run the required removal to effectively prevent a goblin horde

[glad peak]

if you want a similar experience then go slivers

[past socket]

I do see the thought process on targeting Krenko

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/j1y86dssTkSL8toPOnTvlg

i added deck out to this

with [[Crime Novelist]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/121/crime-novelist

Crime Novelist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Bard
Whenever you sacrifice an artifact, put a +1/+1 counter on Crime Novelist and add .
"But then he peeled off the mask, revealing a sight that made Groja's blood run cold—Brulu was actually Vogos in disguise!"
1/3

[glad peak]

uh so someone's gonna call you a cedh tryhard now

[lusty trench]

I understand it as well it just misses the fact that krenko needs goblins to krenko and those goblins usually do stuff

[past socket]

Krenko players tend to do loads of looping him, therefore keep Krenko off the field

[gritty nest]

[gritty nest]

all my good decks run a decent removal package

my goblin deck im trying out is just trying to win asap and not give a shit about removal

[lusty trench]

I looked through a casual players deck and no joke the only removal I saw was like that 6 cost modal white boardwipe

[past socket]

I’d make a joke about Magda Dwarf Tribal but like

[glad peak]

i know, i'm referring to how whenever i say that i'm called that lmao

[gritty nest]

[[Farewell]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell

Farewell <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one or more —
• Exile all artifacts.
• Exile all creatures.
• Exile all enchantments.
• Exile all graveyards.

[lusty trench]

Nah

The bad one

[past socket]

Pretty sure that’s already a CEDH thing, or at least Magda is

[gritty nest]

[[Austere Command]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command

Austere Command <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose two —
• Destroy all artifacts.
• Destroy all enchantments.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 3 or less.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 4 or greater.

[glad peak]

magda's very good but the common knowledge is that if she dies 2-3 times you're out of the game

[lusty trench]

That's the one

[gritty nest]

oof

[lusty trench]

My main deck rn is karlach extra combats

People just do not read karlach

[gritty nest]

my human deck only runs 5 pieces of interaction

Vandalblast, Counterspell, Swords/Path and Unbreakable Formation

[past socket]

Honestly considering messing with a Rocco/Norin deck

[lusty trench]

Tribal decks tend to be light on removal packages mainly because they need to be greedy

[gritty nest]

it does run Tithe/Rhystic tho

fair

i could run more removal theoretically

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JltV4QNHD0Ck8Cy8PTsNMQ

i want to add a [[Sun Quan]] but my friends wont let me

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/123/sun-quan-lord-of-wu

Sun Quan, Lord of Wu <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Creatures you control have horsemanship. (They can't be blocked except by creatures with horsemanship.)
"One score and four he reigned, the Southland king: / A dragon coiled, a tiger poised below the mighty Yangtze."
4/4

[past socket]

Using [[Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer]] to tutor [[Norin the Wary]] to take advantage of Norin for certain effects

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/218/rocco-cabaretti-caterer

Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
When Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer enters, if you cast it, you may search your library for a creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
They wouldn't admit it, but some people join the Cabaretti just for the food.
3/1

https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/171/norin-the-wary

Norin the Wary <:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
When a player casts a spell or a creature attacks, exile Norin the Wary. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
"I have a bad feeling about this."
2/1

[lusty trench]

If they can't deal with a 6 cost with no protection that's on them

[past socket]

Confusion in the Ranks is extremely funny

[gritty nest]

yea ngl i thought sun was a 4 drop not a 6

[glad peak]

I remember someone talking about having to take apart their Rocco norin $100 cedh budget deck because otherwise the play group they had would ban it for power reasons lol

[gritty nest]

he's technically too slow even for my human deck

[sudden lava]

I hope the commander precons have partner with vehicle 🙏

[glad peak]

It was some YouTube video somewhere

[past socket]

Honestly was how I learned about Rocco/Norin

Hidden Commanders are really cool

[glad peak]

[[confusion in the ranks]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/87/confusion-in-the-ranks

Confusion in the Ranks <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment enters, its controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares a card type with it. Exchange control of those permanents.

[gritty nest]

i think ive shown the interaction my food deck runs

[lusty trench]

Being real it's been so long since I've played commander ive forgotten the decks I have

[gritty nest]

(too much)

[lusty trench]

I think it's like

Karlach
Eldrazi
Cats and dogs
Tatyova

[lusty trench]

Probably another one?

[past socket]

Though the only other Hidden Commander strat I know is The Grim Captain

[gritty nest]

whos the eldrazi commander if you remember?

im banned from playing my eldrazi deck because my former judge friend doesn't understand how the stack works

and was trying to say the cascade cast triggers dont get copied by [[Ulalek]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/4/ulalek-fused-atrocity

Ulalek, Fused Atrocity <:manacw:1242710127522484306><:manacu:1242710125576454194><:manacb:1242710122304770078><:manacr:1242710123999264800><:manacg:1242710123210870824>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, you may pay . If you do, copy all spells you control, then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control. You may choose new targets for the copies. (Mana abilities can't be copied.)
2/5

[glad peak]

Oh right what other Sus rulings did he make

Because I remember you told us one from a couple months back

[gritty nest]

(zhulodok granting 7 drop or greater spells "cascade, cascade" which are considered on cast triggered abilities)

its to the point i correct them on rulings

and answer rulings for them now

[past socket]

Slivers and Eldrazi. cascading a billion times

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[glad peak]

Slivers more so

[gritty nest]

i also still get annoyed with them over the whole benthic anomaly situation

[glad peak]

Because food chain is a funny card

[lusty trench]

In my extensive testing

[gritty nest]

[[Benthic Anomaly]] btw

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/46/benthic-anomaly

Benthic Anomaly <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eldrazi Serpent
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, for each opponent, choose a creature that player controls. Create a token that's a copy of one of those creatures, except its power is equal to the total power of those creatures, its toughness is equal to the total toughness of those creatures, and it's a colorless Eldrazi creature.
7/8

[lusty trench]

Ulalek sucks ass

[gritty nest]

he's relatively easy to cast, but requires a lot of setup for you to start copying stuff

[glad peak]

I mean, every eldrazi commander is ass

Yes including the banned one

[gritty nest]

and if you let ulalek player get that far youve just given them a free W basically

[lusty trench]

If you are able to pay for his copying you should've already been popping off with zhuldock

[past socket]

Is Ulalek the best of a bad lot?

[lusty trench]

No

[past socket]

When it comes to Eldrazi Tribal commanders I mean

[lusty trench]

Best is either zhuldock or the Scion one

[gritty nest]

i'd argue zhulodok goes harder for eldrazi specific

azlask leans more into generic 5c experience counter shenanigans than eldrazi tribal

[past socket]

Scion of Ulamog, right?

[lusty trench]

People are physically unable to read the Scion one

[gritty nest]

[[Azlask]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/5/azlask-the-swelling-scourge

Azlask, the Swelling Scourge <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
Whenever Azlask, the Swelling Scourge or another colorless creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of experience counters you have. Scions and Spawns you control gain indestructible and annihilator 1 until end of turn.
2/2

[gritty nest]

this dude?

[lusty trench]

That's the one

They look at the text box and their eyes glaze over

[sudden lava]

thats one small eldrazi

[lusty trench]

Until you're swinging with 30 scions with annihilator 1

[gritty nest]

but yea, imo Ulalek isnt amazing

but i like him for my 5 colorless eldrazi deck

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3d-5ATWO7UKIKyYex_o5UA

[lusty trench]

It doesn't help that a lot of the coloured eldrazi are just not worth using

[sudden lava]

small but violent eldritch horror

[lusty trench]

So you're absolutely devastating your manabase for no reason

[gritty nest]

youll cringe at my manabase

or you'll think it makes sense

no inbetween

[past socket]

Emrakul out there in the lore turning a place from gothic horror to eldritch horror in a matter of seconds

[lusty trench]

Play more titans my person of alternative gender

It's fun

[gritty nest]

im planning on adding all 3 kozileks and potentially The Defiler

[lusty trench]

Be greedy, brick your hands to high heaven

[past socket]

Giant Tribal it is for that Sun Titan

[gritty nest]

im missing Butcher of Truth and Defiler

My plan was trying to make the deck work and not just be titan spam

because copying a titan only for the on cast trigger only gets you so far

[lusty trench]

I'm just missing new ulamog but he's just not good for a multiplayer format

One mo I'll see if I can find my eldrazi list

[glad peak]

Funny story on how I knew phlage was gonna be good

Played sun titan, misread it, and recurred lightning bolt every time it attacked

[gritty nest]

Promised End will just get my deck hated more
World Anew, sure
Ceaseless Hunger, good but will draw hate
Defiler, Fuck assholes, lose 3/4s of your deck
Infinite Gyre, good but expensive money wise

[glad peak]

Felt good until I realized that was wrong

And then they printed a better version

[past socket]

Aeons Torn: Silly billy that one’s banned lmao

[glad peak]

Should be unbanned

But that’s a long list of things

[past socket]

Like is it actually broken or is it more the one’s that are banned for not being fun to deal with like at all

[gritty nest]

[[Emrakul, Aeon's Torn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/1/emrakul-the-aeons-torn

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn <:mana15:1013559311055732826>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
This spell can't be countered.
When you cast this spell, take an extra turn after this one.
Flying, protection from spells that are one or more colors, annihilator 6
When Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
15/15

[past socket]

Like that one angel that just bans a mana type from being played on cast

[glad peak]

It was a remnant of banned for commander iirc but tbh I’m not sure why

[gritty nest]

can't cuck it
free turn
protection from basically targeted removal if im reading it right
one of the highest Annihilator triggers that isnt X

downside

15 mana
Farewell

or 15 squirrels

[past socket]

Aeons torn with Isshin, Two Heavens as one sounds extremely hilarious

As unlikely as that is to occur simultaneously

Annhilator 12 sort of deal

[glad peak]

And as unneeded as It is