But it feels wrong to not have a format where I don't have to play with or against advertisements
#Magic the Gathering
golden plover
steady onyx
so i think it will bring more players into formats without it already
subtle sierra
Idk, ik don't play this game much, but it just sounds like such a bad change to me
twilit canyon
i dont really care. i dont spend much money at all on magic anyways so i know im not even in a position where i am voting with my wallet either
subtle sierra
It might be good for others, but it just doesn't sound fun to me
copper pecan
i don't like this decision but the people complaining about it have been so annoying that i just can't bring myself to get upset at it
fallow citrus
I personally think UB should just have been commander sets only
twilit canyon
if it makes more ppl happy than unhappy then like super whatever
fallow citrus
but the ship has sailed so whatever
golden plover
Yeah UB should've stayed commander only
polar lake
yeah
fallow citrus
definitely getting some ff cards for tokens and field centers for ygo though
hidden ermine
Seems like the LotR set was them testing the waters
golden plover
It also feels super creatively dead
twilit canyon
thats been magic for the most part since like 2016
golden plover
Cutting the actual magic IP shit in half every year and filling the roster with fortnite
lusty trench
Since we know now that that bar for this stuff has been completely removed though it means anything can be a universes beyond now
So now I get to play 6 steps to ryu better
twilit canyon
what
copper pecan
Cutting the actual magic IP shit in half every year and filling the roster with ...
they're still doing the same amount of in universe stuff
twilit canyon
ryu is already in magic
copper pecan
they aren't cutting anything
fallow citrus
sure it could be "creatively dead" but does it not also mean that if they don't need to put in the effort for UB then they can put more effort to magic original stuff?
hidden ermine
My personal issue is that now they're kinda restricted in how they design sets based on what the base IP provides
lusty trench
ryu is already *in* magic
Yeah but the more things are in magic, the shorter number of steps it takes to get from a franchise to ryu
hidden ermine
Yeah but the more things are in magic, the shorter number of steps it takes to g...
Realistically Mahvel has you already covered there
- Smash Bros
twilit canyon
sure it could be "creatively dead" but does it not also mean that if they don't ...
the funny thing is that the past 2 magic sets have been absolute bangers in terms of flavor and art for magic
fallow citrus
from what I've seen I agree
twilit canyon
with some of the more unique new designs for cards
so the creatively dead angle is something as i said
fallow citrus
is the next set this spacey looking one?
twilit canyon
its been a thing since 2016
lusty trench
It's multi plane racing
hidden ermine
Next set should be redline iirc
sleek ferry
Misty, what do you think about the new gearhulk?
polar lake
tbh i feel like UB sets as core sets would make sense since UB sets attract new players and core sets are made for new players in mind
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hidden ermine
I will say, this feels like a very corporate decision though
copper pecan
i don't like harmless offering being in standard all the time
trail anvil
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849930159941640256?t=WA0sqBIeJlvnIIswtzmoAg&...
ah there's the combo
copper pecan
it limits what kind of downsides you can give to things
trail anvil
does it now? they literally released these two on purpose together
sleek ferry
Oh I like death mark
lusty trench
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hidden ermine
Should've made the green one veil smh
lusty trench
Sorcerers spyglass downshift?
twilit canyon
spell pierce lets goooooooooooooooooooo
copper pecan
spyglass forever and ever 
sleek ferry
Ngl, I was skeptical but let’s gooo, they’re approaching foundations correctly
copper pecan
mystical teachings is a very interesting choice for this
lusty trench
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polar lake
even tho ub sets hopefully they're still using competent game designers for the sets
subtle sierra
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849930828006162715?t=15KKnBYXSTGcdLKZ_uMijA&...
Where white
polar lake
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849931616388514074?t=sOWRDu0Dlwr6ZYFSlS7Eow&...
oh shit
sleek ferry
scry lands, very fitting though
trail anvil
temple cycle in this set is probably the best choice
lusty trench
Give me more 5p lands mtg I need more firewood
sleek ferry
I agree
polar lake
funnier move would be to make fixed versions of the og dual lands since foundations is a set about mtg
or they just reprint lotus petal
lusty trench
No lotus petal but
polar lake
wotc please reprint lotus petal why are they 80$ for a playset
polar lake
BALL LIGHTNING
lusty trench
copper pecan
darksteel colossus forever and ever...
sleek ferry
Darksteel colossus lmfao
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trail anvil
pyromancer's goggles are gonna be dank for brawl
polar lake
ok actually foundations is cooking
fallow citrus
if we have ball lightning where is our skelemental
polar lake
memory jar reprint
polar lake
didnt they reveal a nicol bolas card?
sleek ferry
Did they?
copper pecan
they revealed an ugin
sleek ferry
They’re probably giving us the ugin we always get
copper pecan
can't believe they put island in standard forever
sleek ferry
Holy…
copper pecan
format ruined
sleek ferry
Island and mountain are 2 of the strongest lands of all time
Forest? That shit is a joke
lusty trench
The theme for this art series is "lands you find in your lgs bulk bins that they don't care if you take'"
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Oh hello giada
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last glen
NUDE KAITO
lusty trench
That right island is gonna be expensive
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Hello loot
Twitter
Tinybones is a main stay now
Neat
Twitter
copper pecan
shivan dragon uncommon...
lusty trench
Shivan dragon uncommon...
copper pecan
wack
sleek ferry
I really like and hate that Tinybones
Mainly because it means I’ll see these discard decks more often on the ladder
sleek ferry
Would be a shame if I cracked a fetch land so I would go down to 9
gritty nest
Can’t wait for nicol bolas to appear in Tarkir
lusty trench
Next reveal is the non platinum angel I'm not posting it again
last glen
someone post it again I missed it
lusty trench
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last glen
grazie
sudden lava
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849931212292522015?t=6xeI1W8LySSHrQ4pbt7d6g&...
The roommates card reprint, nice
copper pecan
oh hey zul asher finally got a card
lusty trench
Oh they made this nivvy to go infinite with parun nivvy
past socket
Who doesn’t love some Liches
lusty trench
Twitter
past socket
Outside of the nerds who hate necromancy and those dumb dumb adventurers
Also hey giant cat for the cat lovers
Never enough cat to love
sudden lava
I know a player with a Niv mizzet deck who will love this
past socket
More incentive in having the conditioned reflex of being wary of any Blue player having untapped mana
last glen
okay but
how two niv mizzet
gritty nest
What do you mean?
last glen
don't they cancel each other out because legendary?
lusty trench
Twitter
gritty nest
Are they the same printed name?
lusty trench
So long as the exact name is different
sudden lava
don't they cancel each other out because legendary?
No, they dont share a name
last glen
oh
that's how that works
lusty trench
STOP PRINTING THAT DAMN RHINO HE SUCKS
golden plover
The jumpstart sets also contain cards that are not standard legal
last glen
what rhino
gritty nest
What rhino?
last glen
yes but what's the card
gritty nest
What
What card is it?
past socket
I have no idea but I’m guessing it involves spears or pikes
lusty trench
I thought it was faith member but I can't see if that's a spear or a staff
last glen
is rhino tribal a deck
past socket
big boi
last glen
why did I think gigantosaurus was 15/15
last glen
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849937866929078395?t=QyzbCA4Uk-GieR5u8ZjECg&...
I know it would be a printing nightmare
but I feel like the foils should only have the relevant mana color symbols
golden plover
That Ajani's pride mate has visible feet lol
lusty trench
DAMN that temporal manipulation is gonna be expensive
last glen
That Ajani's pride mate has visible feet lol
why did you say this
past socket
I detect a bastard skelly
copper pecan
this is dueled masters
zinc shard
https://i.redd.it/opz71ecs4zwd1.jpeg
Cryptic Command was one thing, but how will anyone remember what Gigantosaurus does!? /j
copper pecan
case in point, serra angel
sudden lava
sudden lava
gritty nest
A GOOD PLEASANT KENOBI TAKE???
Is he usually trash?
sudden lava
Goblin in goblin sized car
copper pecan
Is he usually trash?
he usually constantly complains about everything
past socket
Good to see a Rare W ig
Feel free to criticise but let the people excited about it have their fun
lusty trench
His takes are either him complaining or just parroted from somewhere else
gritty nest
Ah
lusty trench
So this is surprising to see
gritty nest
It’s good to see a good take on it, tbh
golden plover
Yeah one of my friends is really excited for final fantasy and I'm glad for him
I just wish we could have kept standard or something UB free
gritty nest
Let people be happy about it, you may disagree with it but don’t make them feel like shit for it
trail anvil
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849938060068417574?t=eZ54GwMj3ZmVbVzRW35gRw&...
we did not need a second time warp on arena lmao. good reprint though
past socket
Also a random question. What is the worst possible deck to use Chaos Warp against?
lusty trench
1 mana more but better effect
gritty nest
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty trench
Also a random question. What is the worst possible deck to use Chaos Warp agains...
Infamous cruel claw
lusty trench
You are getting worldfired
gritty nest
Bolas’ citadel
lusty trench
... honestly yeah it's just equally shit to go against whatever
Unless it's spell slinger
trail anvil
If you count time stop there's 3 now
time stop exiles itself
gritty nest
Unless you mean hitting a permanent that helps spellslinger
trail anvil
there are multiple extra turn spells on arena
zinc shard
copper pecan
is that maro in the costume? it sounded like him in the commercial
sudden lava
wouldnt be surprised if it is
rigid scarab
Ig I can throw my 2 cents towards UB
I think it extending legality elsewhere was inevitable
But there really should have been like
ONE format left out
rigid scarab
UB extending legality also means that Pioneer has also just lost a selling point
Another hasbro-provided L to Pioneer
This decision definitely didn’t kill Magic, it’ll actually probably boost its sales. It serves the lowest common denominator
But imo this decision is probably going to kill Magic: The Gathering
trail anvil
I sincerely doubt it
worst case scenario it might shift an even bigger emphasis onto commander but that format seems like an eternal cash cow
rigid scarab
Regardless the WOTC-given reasoning of “Simplifying card legality” is bullshit
We all know it’s for money
Or if we’re being optimistic
It’s to get the people who got in through UB an avenue to get into 60 card
lusty trench
I just notice something
The aetherspark planeswalker is an equipment
Does Chandra want it to give nissa the ability to planeswalk with her?
rigid scarab
But I’m gonna be real that’s about the same thing as telling your kid there’s gonna be chocolate milk at the church
“Look Billy! That Magic game has Spider-Man in it! You love Spider-Man, don’t you?”
Someone brought up like
What if this happened for Pokemon
twilit canyon
we get to play 2 bad cards to kill your opponent
sudden lava
hmmmmm
lusty trench
The aetherspark planeswalker is an equipment
.
twilit canyon
stark skiff
https://tenor.com/view/doodlebob-spongebob-caveman-pencil-gif-5552309
Ancient Tomb
golden plover
What if this happened for Pokemon
That's a good point
People would be pissed if the next pokemon game added Eleven from Stranger Things and she was the best one
twilit canyon
thats totally different
golden plover
I don't see how ngl
twilit canyon
pokemon has had a bigger history with doing crossovers all over the place
in fact im p sure fans would be excited for crossovers to show up in the mainline games
last glen
I feel that's a little apples to oranges
First, Pokemon places way more weight on its brand
The pocket monsters are the selling point
Second, the Pokemon TCG exists to drive sales of the games and merch
Making PTCG cards of non-Pokemon IPs doesn't work to that goal
twilit canyon
just like how crossovers as a whole are exciting for... everyone
every franchise
yugioh wishes they could be doing crossovers with final fantasy
or lord of the rings
or marvel
golden plover
Yugioh very easily could
golden plover
They just choose not to
twilit canyon
they do not ahve the luxury appeal to do so anymore
ygo is so past its prime in the limelight
magic though, is
golden plover
Yugioh is the biggest TCG in Japan
golden plover
They could get any Japanese IP to crossover
last glen
They got the Hello Kitty crossover
twilit canyon
anime is going bigger overseas so their appeal is to get ppl from the americas and europe
last glen
It was what
a collaboration between Yu-Gi-Oh, Hello Kitty, and McDonalds
twilit canyon
the crossovers would be those ips
or those markets
this is why ryu street fighter loves showing up in every other game/franchise
golden plover
Only slightly related but I didn't even realize that this means standard gets 6 SETS NEXT YEAR
twilit canyon
and less workload for arena
golden plover
That's an insane amount of sets into standard wtf
twilit canyon
copper pecan
People would be pissed if the next pokemon game added Eleven from Stranger Thing...
doesn't pokemon literally have a post malone card
twilit canyon
i believe so
so does magic
crazy how that works
when popular franchise + popular artist crossover
rigid scarab
in fact im p sure fans would be excited for crossovers to show up in the mainlin...
Im not saying like
Spiderman would be a trainer you can fight in the game
Like
Spiderman is a pokemon you can catch
twilit canyon
that'd be weird and would make no sense
the comparison would be like spider-man would be a trainer you could play as
cus the rules of magic are unchanged
rigid scarab
Or like
Spiderman is printed as a legal supporter card
That's probably less egregious
twilit canyon
so a trainer card?
thats... fine
like sure
i think most of the ppl would want that to be the case?
last glen
Do NOT tell Sicko about how many Pokemon crossover fanfiction there are
rigid scarab
Eh I honestly think more people are purist for their IPs than you think
twilit canyon
people absolutely love crossovers
fortnite has proven that in fact
its optimal for both parties
copper pecan
Spiderman is printed as a legal supporter card
i feel like very few people would be upset by this
rigid scarab
Fortnite's crossover stuff works because it's the appeal for their target audience and has pretty much become its identity
Fortnite didn't need community figureheads having entire discussions about its crossovers
twilit canyon
we can take a look at how every once in a while overwatch gets a surge in popularity when they announce a new crossover
hidden ermine
that market is way smaller
It uh rather isnt
twilit canyon
like the recent one with my hero academia
hidden ermine
The asian market for card games is far larger than the entire western card game market combined
rigid scarab
we can take a look at how every once in a while overwatch gets a surge in popula...
I feel like this is a different thing
twilit canyon
The asian market for card games is far larger than the entire western card game ...
i dont mean for card games
rigid scarab
Overwatch's thing is pretty much like Magic having re-skinned cards
hidden ermine
(Granted thats not just japan but japan is a big part of it)
rigid scarab
If Overwatch just made Deku as a new Hero it would defo be more controversial
twilit canyon
since the appeal of crossovers for card games is to crossover with non-card game ip's
trail anvil
like the recent one with my hero academia
those skins are still kinda off for me
twilit canyon
Overwatch's thing is pretty much like Magic having re-skinned cards
so then its quite literally the same way magic is doing it and it gets more attention than without it
trail anvil
especially I think it was all might reinhart
hidden ermine
Also nah YGO could easily cross over, hell they could just actually have used Konami IPs when they were large, they just had no interest
For one reason or another
twilit canyon
the big one is that konami mismanages their ip's
rigid scarab
I'm saying Overwatch's crossovers are much less egregious and intrusive
hidden ermine
Shadowverse is much smaller and it's crossed over with a few things
(And its basically japan-only)
trail anvil
I don't get the impression yugioh is into crossovers beyond their already present normal monsters
twilit canyon
yeah
trail anvil
they already print enough anime girls to make a profit
fallow citrus
there's no opportunity really
twilit canyon
cus again i think konami has absolutely wrecked their large-scale market
fallow citrus
and the cost for it isn't worth it
twilit canyon
so they may as well not even bother at this point
fallow citrus
meanwhile you look at mtg and like
twilit canyon
they absolutely roll in dough for every crossover
despite all the bitching and whining
fallow citrus
the idea is that the same kind of nerds that play card games also like marvel, or final fantasy etc
twilit canyon
cus that bitching and whining is way way way smaller than they think they are
hidden ermine
I think it's also a matter of competition
For YGOs main market there already are card games that do a lot of crossovers
lusty trench
Bruh
twilit canyon
the .avif file
lusty trench
Tf is an avif file
twilit canyon
incredible
hidden ermine
Weiss Schwartz in particular
For magics, not so much, since the west just doesnt have a lot of successful card games
rigid scarab
I've said that this definitely helps Magic's lowest common denominator
But Magic: The Gathering I think is finally dead with UB going to all formats
twilit canyon
gives it leverage to be in this spot
twilit canyon
I've said that this definitely helps Magic's lowest common denominator
But Magi...
magic's been dead since 2016
hidden ermine
magic being the biggest card game in the world as a whole
Are we talking median or average?
golden plover
I do think this is the slow start of a market crash or the game dying
hidden ermine
Average its Pokemon or YGO depending on the year, but I could see median
last glen
I've said that this definitely helps Magic's lowest common denominator
But Magi...
counterpoint: Magic is literally more "The Gathering" now
golden plover
This is a BIG change
golden plover
And it's gonna hurt the game in the long run
lusty trench
I heard talk about these cards, to be clear these weren’t actually released
rigid scarab
I don't think this is killing the game by any means
twilit canyon
i think its going to make it bigger
hidden ermine
Its going to change the game forever
rigid scarab
But what it does is make it even more of a brand than it already is
golden plover
I think it helps in the short term, but losing what makes magic magic is gonna hurt in the long term
hidden ermine
What the outcome is, that will have to be seen
twilit canyon
sure
twilit canyon
I think it helps in the short term, but losing what makes magic magic is gonna h...
what makes magic magic is the core rules/gameplay
hidden ermine
Like its kinda going the Fortnite route, and Fortnite definitely got bigger after all its crossovers
So there's good odds it will succeed
rigid scarab
Like Magic hasn't been a narrative or world you immerse yourself in since WAR
golden plover
It'll probably get bigger for a bit, but the bubble will likely burst when they run out of good crossover ips
twilit canyon
nah
golden plover
Especially if half the sets every year are crossovers now
twilit canyon
they will retain their new customers
copper pecan
Also nah YGO could easily cross over, hell they could just actually have used Ko...
yugioh has done crossovers with konami's stuff multiple times
hidden ermine
As official cards?
copper pecan
yes?
hidden ermine
... has it?
copper pecan
there's over a dozen gradius cards
lusty trench
Yeah mainly in the older days but they did it
rigid scarab
Like its kinda going the Fortnite route, and Fortnite definitely got bigger afte...
I think Fortnite got help from making crossovers its whole identity now
hidden ermine
I was thinking more Metal Gear or Castlevania
rigid scarab
Like they literally have the crossovers in its main plot
hidden ermine
Less ... Gradius
rigid scarab
And its setting is already not supposed to be taken seriously
golden plover
I heard talk about these cards, to be clear these weren’t actually released
Weren't these only ever given to the celebrities
lusty trench
I was thinking more Metal Gear or Castlevania
lusty trench
Weren't these only ever given to the celebrities
Yup
twilit canyon
and yet they do make sure to give characterization/care to their original characters enough where people know who jonesy is
golden plover
All the Konami crossovers are either vague or gradius
twilit canyon
because i guarantee u in like
2-3 years in the future
ppl will introduce fortnite characters
to sell
golden plover
Honestly? No one follows the fortnite lore
twilit canyon
you'd be surprised
golden plover
And they don't know any of the characters outside of who's hot
No one goes "Oh that was the villain for this season"
golden plover
Like the lore is there, but I've got plenty of friends who play fortnite and only care about who's hot
twilit canyon
you just arent in the fortnite community. im not either but i 100% know there are ppl who are and they will always have an audience talking about it
in the same way
the current magic audience doesnt give a flying fuck about the magic story
rigid scarab
Last outcry about magic's story was MOM
twilit canyon
the magic story has lost its appeal since like 8 years ago
and its been on a slow death for a while
nothing has worked to really revive it
rigid scarab
And since then WOTC made it abundantly clear that they don't care about the setting anymore
I do think that that's
Not a good thing
To be clear
copper pecan
And since then WOTC made it abundantly clear that they don't care about the sett...
have you looked at either of the last two sets?
twilit canyon
they do care about the setting
it just hasnt worked for the larger whole/larger picture
copper pecan
if they didn't care about the setting they would have just stopped doing in universe sets all together
fallow citrus
ig magic is approaching the "exists as a setting for stories to take place" instead of being an overarching narrative
twilit canyon
they are going back to what they always wanted to be
rigid scarab
if they didn't care about the setting they would have just stopped doing in univ...
They don't care about the setting in terms of it being a setting you take seriously
hidden ermine
I mean its not like a single universe all stories take place in is something card games need
rigid scarab
I did look at their last two sets
Their last 3 infact
And most of them are on-the-nose pop culture references
twilit canyon
thats just duskmourn
twilit canyon
which thats just the paint the actual story/worldbuilding of duskmourn is insanely well done?
no one cared otherwise though
copper pecan
i'm so tired of seeing people complain all the time
golden plover
I'm a little less doomer on this now than earlier but I'm still mega bummed
twilit canyon
magic players will be like "god the story of duskmourn and bloomburrow and outlaws was bad" and then complain when wotc says "fine, we'll just not focus on it and give you guys things you do like."
golden plover
This is the slippery slope that was mentioned from the start "but we were just overreacting" and I wish they left at least standard safe
fallow citrus
i'm so tired of seeing people complain all the time
why do you think I'm not in here as much
golden plover
I've really been enjoying standard and pioneer rn
rigid scarab
i'm so tired of seeing people complain all the time
I'm trying to have a neutral outlook here and point out what I think will come from this
twilit canyon
not my sister not participating in this chat at all for months at a time to avoid the complaining icant
rigid scarab
I mean this stuff is just gonna come when WOTC does big announcements like this
golden plover
It'll dampen my enjoyment a bit for sure to see me forced to play stuff like Spiderman in them
rigid scarab
The chat explodes
sleek ferry
People need to accept all tcg’s actually have some of the most god awful lore
fallow citrus
it comes when wotc announces literally anything
rigid scarab
Most days the chat is arena highlights and draft picks
sleek ferry
Mtg’s lore is bad, yugioh’s lore is some of the most generic 80s anime bs
twilit canyon
it comes when wotc announces literally anything
wotc: exists
players: and i took that personally
golden plover
MTG's lore is bad, but it's worldbuilding has been consistently very good lately
copper pecan
It'll dampen my enjoyment a bit for sure to see me forced to play stuff like Spi...
you aren't being forced to play anything
standard is a dead format
golden plover
you aren't being forced to play anything
I would be if I wanna play competitive decks tho
twilit canyon
if you care about competitive play you do not care the art on the card
golden plover
I can't play optimized phoenix or whatever without UB cards if that requires me playing 4 Doctor Strange or Peppa Pig
That's definitely not true
rigid scarab
if you care about competitive play you do not care the art on the card
Eh? A competitive player isn't automatically all-in on hyper optimization
golden plover
It's not the primary factor, but art and flavor helps a lot for picking decks and stuff
twilit canyon
you arent as optimal as you could be
rigid scarab
Frequently competitive players are drawn to a game's aesthetics and style
twilit canyon
thats already a losing battle from the get-go in a competitive environment
golden plover
I like looking at the art of my cards and stuff, even if I don't play cards in a competitive deck just for the art
trail anvil
I heard talk about these cards, to be clear these weren’t actually released
yo I actually fuck with these though? it'd be awkward saying celebrities' full names but they really made an effort to draw them in their style
it fits pretty well in the Pokemon universe
twilit canyon
so was post malone's secret lair
rigid scarab
Being a "competitive" player doesn't mean you literally only care about game mechanics and nothing else
lusty trench
I’ve been reading this convo for 15 minutes and no one’s budged on any talking point
rigid scarab
That's just extreme hyperbole
lusty trench
Wild
golden plover
Yeah it's not worth it
trail anvil
so was post malone's secret lair
that secret lair was pretty cool iirc
twilit canyon
Being a "competitive" player doesn't mean you literally only care about game mec...
then you're losing out on optimization points
golden plover
I'mma go paint my nails and build legos
trail anvil
careful not to chip one
golden plover
They're already chipped as hell
twilit canyon
that secret lair was pretty cool iirc
the art in magic is consistently good
lusty trench
There’s been a few ehh ones but it’s like drop in the bucket
As a whole game looks nice
trail anvil
my biggest gripe was actually still within the universe with duskmourn humans
rigid scarab
then you're losing out on optimization points
Lots of competitive players are less "competitive" than you think then
A bunch of competitive legacy players I'd imagine were quite happy when Stickers were banned there
golden plover
But yeah my big takeaway is that for 4 years, I was told "Hey if you don't wanna play with advertisements for other IPs, you can play standard or pioneer" and now I can't even do that
rigid scarab
Even though they should have not cared unless Goblins were crazy broken
twilit canyon
Lots of competitive players are less "competitive" than you think then
A bunch ...
yeah for sure and thats why they most likely arent playing and/or participating in testing for worlds
and thats fine but then they cant be pretending to care as much about the game competitively as they think they do
twilit canyon
not a big one
rigid scarab
Petdeckers tend to like it when their petdeck is good
twilit canyon
they sell horizons sets for that
rigid scarab
And UB likely pushes their petdecks out of the format way faster
twilit canyon
modern horizons has created some of the most notable versions of affinity, scales, bogles,
eldrazi
merfolk
delirium
rigid scarab
I don't feel like attacked by it bc I'm pretty much a commander player who told myself "Yeah I don't jive with UB I'm not putting them in my decks"
But I see the frustration and I do think people are right to be at least a little peeved
golden plover
Also for commander you could rule 0 out UB cards btw
I can't rule 0 them out of standard
rigid scarab
Also for commander you could rule 0 out UB cards btw
I think rule 0ing out UB is big silly tbf
golden plover
I think rule 0ing out UB is big silly tbf
Oh I fully agree
But commander is silly, so they're fine there
twilit canyon
i think its totally overblown and i agree with aeri and salt that the people complaining about ub have lost literally all sympathy
like at this point, this was the expected course for magic
copper pecan
i'd be way more sympathetic if the community didn't act like this every single time wotc announced a set
rigid scarab
It's overblown to an extent like it's not killing the game
But I think there is a line of reasoning of "Man I wanna engage with the Magic IP not the Marvel IP"
And those people might like
golden plover
Yeah I wanted magic to stay its own IP in standard and some other formats tbh
twilit canyon
if there was an actual market that wanted to engage with the magic ip, there would be
golden plover
I don't mind this stuff going to commander
twilit canyon
but there really isnt
or else we wouldnt be at a point where ub sets were popular and selling well
golden plover
But if I wanted to play a marvel card game, I'd play snap
rigid scarab
or else we wouldnt be at a point where ub sets were popular and selling well
A market can be bigger than the other with said other still existing
copper pecan
that's like saying yugioh is a gradius card game
golden plover
There's like 20 gradius cards
golden plover
There's 3 marvel sets coming
twilit canyon
the weakest one is assassin's creed (lol)
golden plover
That's minimum 600 cards
And since all 600 are going through standard, standard up until 2027 is gonna be a lot of marvel ip
twilit canyon
lotr, marvel, stranger things, fallout, warhammer are constantly getting in new magic players
sleek ferry
Also, like think of all the cool cards in lotr that have no home because modern is too fast for them
twilit canyon
at my lgs the most popular commanders for casual are all universe beyond
in the official magic discord, the most frequently asked questions about commander include universe beyond cards
rigid scarab
at my lgs the most popular commanders for casual are all universe beyond
That's wild to me
I've seen like
One UB commander at all the LGS' I've been in
past socket
Still gotta try to make a Commander deck at some point around one of the Fallout cards
twilit canyon
only in cedh tables do we not see ub commanders and even then, my resident wb stax friend has played the esper warhammer commander
and the master and wise mothman have been popular cedh commanders
trail anvil
most ub commanders I see are fallout cause that was very popular
dogmeat and the jeskai energy deck are the first ones that come to mind
past socket
Seen stuff around Mr House and Three Dog for sure and hear good things about Wise Mothman
rigid scarab
I think Magic has a lot of different markets, but WOTC here just decided to appeal to the largest one
trail anvil
three dog just seems really fun
twilit canyon
I think Magic has a lot of different markets, but WOTC here just decided to appe...
which is correct
and this market is only growing for now so no reason not to feed it
zinc shard
idk if this was shared yet, didnt see it anywhere
past socket
Iirc Wise Mothman is a mill strategy around the Rad Counter mechanic, Three Dog does stuff around Auras and Mr House likes Dice Rolls and making Tokens
last glen
idk if this was shared yet, didnt see it anywhere
seven mana is steep
zinc shard
yea she seems abit weak, but the +2 could make good in control decks
twilit canyon
it is not
rigid scarab
Um
twilit canyon
thats a midrange card
rigid scarab
7 mana ponder goes crazy
last glen
feels like you'd need some green to ramp into that much mana
twilit canyon
worse ponder
zinc shard
fair
last glen
but also
Mirror Breaker
copper pecan
i hope they make more rad counter cards at some point, it's a pretty neat mechanic
rigid scarab
A lot of really neat mechanics are locked behind 1 set
I honestly think Suspect has merit
copper pecan
I honestly think Suspect has merit
can't wait for amogus universes beyond
past socket
I wonder what the Fallout Sol Ring art is like
twilit canyon
theres 2 iirc
zinc shard
This is one of the fastest reprints ive ever seen lol
rigid scarab
This is one of the fastest reprints ive ever seen lol
It's the lightshell duo
There needs to be 2 of em
Although ofc this card will now never be reprinted ever again
Sorry!
zinc shard
copper pecan
we need them to print colossal dreadmaw
past socket
Like the first one more out of the Fallout Sol Rings
twilit canyon
we need them to print colossal dreadmaw
for the memes yes but i'd rather the elk
from blb
past socket
Nuka-Cola Quantum do be quite the rabbit hole
twilit canyon
colossal elkmaw
past socket
That’s THE Colossal Dreadmaw to you lol
copper pecan
That’s THE Colossal Dreadmaw to you lol
we need this in canon magic
zinc shard
Give us this
twilit canyon
you already have this
we need a unifying dreadmaw
a card that unites all 4 double mana 6/6 tramplers
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past socket
All roads lead to Dreadmaw
twilit canyon
i was wasting time at work on arena the other day and i cast fear of change and i landed on colossal dreadmaw
twilit canyon
its peak magic
sleek ferry
Fear of change is a dialogue on the part of the mtg community holding it back
haughty otter
Has this been posted here? Just want to mention it
MTG Final Fantasy and they put this friggin moment in
(Also is that Indonesian artist name I see 👀 )
sleek ferry
Yeah, the art is super peak
And it couldn’t have came for a better person
Kefka did nothing wrong
copper pecan
my favorite part of ff6 was when kefka turned into a giant bug
twilit canyon
we love insects
past socket
Bringing some utter buggery
sudden lava
I wonder what the Fallout Sol Ring art is like
The nuka cola sol ring is perfection
past socket
Saw it and the Vault Boy one thanks to Misty, definitely like the Nuka Cola one
Would it be weird to suggest I’d try a Nuka Cola Quantum out of curiosity?
stark skiff
we can take a look at how every once in a while overwatch gets a surge in popula...
Overwatch is dead no matter what it tries
trail anvil
dead is such an overused word with games
last glen
would you say it's a
dead term
trail anvil
brightglass gearhulk just has to be nuts btw yeah?
searching 3 different card types and being a good body on its own just seems nuts to me
twilit canyon
its fine
trail anvil
someone suggested hammer + sigarda's aid lol
trail anvil
its fine
you don't feel like this is really solid? it even searches lands in a pinch
plus white enchantments got notably better last set for standard
in commander this seems obvious
sleek ferry
Twitter
copper pecan
i feel like this is a net improvement tbh
trail anvil
wait so how is damage assigned now?
copper pecan
you assign it when the damage goes through instead of when the blockers are declared
trail anvil
ohh so they can't wait until you declare it then buff accordingly
copper pecan
also you don't have to assign lethal damage to a creature before moving on to damaging the next creature
glad peak
Wouldn’t it functionally be the same in almost every case?
sudden lava
so you can spread the damage
copper pecan
Wouldn’t it functionally be the same in almost every case?
yes which is probably why they changed it
glad peak
Oh nice you can choose to let all blockers live sometimes too
sudden lava
in case that matters for aoe purposes
copper pecan
it's more intuitive this way i think
trail anvil
Wouldn’t it functionally be the same in almost every case?
depends on how often you're dealing with multiple blockers
twilit canyon
this is a better change overall yes
sudden lava
wait is this the first non-token saproling?
Outside of changlings, Shroofus is the first legendary saproling and first non-token saproling
gritty nest
What is usual wincons for [[Kalamax]]
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glad peak
This is just (find a way to tap him) then eldritch evolution into the line the storm players are looking at, right?
glad peak
Finale or evo into ewit and spell seeker, seeker get snap
gritty nest
Snap?
glad peak
Not exactly the best way to win since you need a land that taps for more than 1 mana but this would be infinite mana
Snap bringing back ewit and untapping the mana positive land
And then ewit to grab finale or seeker to get finale and then whatever really
gritty nest
I see
I wanted to do non infinite but I wanted to basically make him big to kill with him
That’s all
trail anvil
you can do that pretty easily in temur too tbh
glad peak
Probably
But the double finale or evo was the one that’s fresh in my head so there’s that
sudden lava
"Hardcore, rock n roll magic" in reference to spongeboob squirepants
What if, Goofy Goober themed?
stark skiff
What if, Goofy Goober themed?
I’m out
sudden lava
I’m out
If we're lucky we will instead get Mr. Krabs in gruul with treasure+food synergy 
stark skiff
If we're lucky we will instead get Mr. Krabs in gruul with treasure+food synergy...
Oh I was thinking Izzet/treasures and SpongeBob could be the food creator
Sandy in Green and Patrick idk.
sudden lava
But will Krab's creature type reference the fact he was in the Navy 
twilit canyon
twilit canyon
alchemy is a better format than standard rn which is impressive given standard
so i'd be excited to see alchemy under a more tuned and focused lead
sudden lava
I have a strong feeling someone I know (who has a Niv-mizzet deck) is gonna throw this in. Because this is crazy with the older one that pings when you draw
specifically Parun
past socket
Dragon Wizard sounds badass as fuck tbh
twilit canyon
niv is cool
his lore is pretty cool as well
the last dragon of ravnica
why? he hunted down and killed all other intelligent dragons until he was the last one left
atomic harness
Alright so spongebob I;m in @twilit canyon @sleek ferry
past socket
Speaking of UB (fuck Wizards if true regarding this) I hope if they ever do Warhammer again I would love a deck around the Boyz or Orks. There might be already so forgive my ignorance but who wouldn’t want to krump some gitz at the Commander table
lusty trench
There’s an orks secret lair but not a full deck
past socket
Also because he is the goodest boy, I have to play Dogmeat, Ever Loyal at some point
Just a very good dog with very good artwork
lusty trench
Twitter
sudden lava
Just a very good dog with very good artwork
if you want another good doggo with good artwork, Kona is about to get plenty of support
lusty trench
Twitter
stark skiff
https://x.com/PainterlyPip/status/1850036282027622524?t=4i3K5v_n_Ccpt02C2Cu2SA&s...
Holy shit what lol
last glen
only a 4/4
zinc shard
Still, that's not bad for turn 3
*in standard
Valkyrie's Call 3WW
Enchantment
Mythic
Whenever a nontoken, non-Angel creature you control dies, return it to its owner's battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it. It has flying and is an Angel in addition to its other types.
last glen
Finally
An enabler for my Dinosaur Angel deck
polar lake
WOTC
REPRINT SIEGE RHINO IN TARKIR DRAGONSTORM
AND MY BANK ACCOUNT IS YOURS
sudden lava
copper pecan
https://x.com/jeriafterdark/status/1849961131881763235?s=46
oh fuck off with this "any imperfection must be because of ai", come on man
looking up the artist for this, they've been making art in this style since at least 2011 so i find it really hard to believe that they pivoted to ai but somehow managed to keep the exact same style
i'm sick of people saying this shit any time a piece isn't absolutely perfect
fallow citrus
convinced AI brings out the worst in people
both in people who hate AI and people who defend it
polar lake
so... basically wotc is conceding to the idea that their own IP isn't strong enough
twilit canyon
this has been true since like 2016
copper pecan
mtg's ip has never been strong at any point in the game's history tbh
wotc has consistently failed to use it for anything other than card games
the only non-card game mtg works that were successful are magic puzzle quest and destroy all humans, they can't be regenerated
polar lake
and partially part of duel masters
copper pecan
yeah that too
sleek ferry
both in people who hate AI and people who defend it
Like one of the commenters stated, you can look at any hand drawn piece of art and find AI qualities if you want to find AI qualities
It’s so sad that people literally dissect every tcg art to try to find something to bitch about
twilit canyon
the panic around ai is getting crazy bc ppl assume worst case scenario
copper pecan
putting the art in mcarthyism
polar lake
just pick up the pencil
ornate cedar
Y’all excited for what WOTC has cooking?
Maybe a big ol’ Krabby Patty yum 🤤 you know that’s gonna be a legendary artifact
twilit canyon
i dont particularly care for the mcu anymore but everything else seems cool
ornate cedar
Oh did you hear about the SpongeBob secret lair?
twilit canyon
cautiously optimistic about aetherdrift because i fear it could be very close to how outlaws was
twilit canyon
Oh did you hear about the SpongeBob secret lair?
yeah
i liked spongebob before but its a lair
impossible to get ahold of
ornate cedar
That one just seems so ridiculous in concept to me
copper pecan
if it's mechanically unique cards then that's wack as fuck, if it's just reskins then i don't care
ornate cedar
It’s like if there were Bluey MTG cards
I’m probably most excited for the Space Opera set just because I like space
Gimme a black hole skinned Damnation lol
twilit canyon
bluey is... very different to spongebob
ornate cedar
bluey is... very different to spongebob
For sure, it just seems equally separate from Magic as an IP
copper pecan
we need them to have gary the snail be gray merchant of asphodel
twilit canyon
meh but again i dont really care tho
ppl have gotten alts done on their cards commanders of super out there shit
twilit canyon
we need them to have gary the snail be gray merchant of asphodel
would be the proper way to do that
just call it gary, merchant of asphodel and change nothing else
no other context given
ornate cedar
They could lol
I’m not angry or upset
More entertained than anything
Chuffed
Tickled pink or however you describe it
Ooh Grothama as Alaskan Bull Worm would be funny
polar lake
Hash sling slasher
ornate cedar
Mr Krabs as Dockside Extortionist would be perfect haha
polar lake
in all honestly i dont like the direction that mtg is going
im prolly gonna pull the ol' yugioh move
and "quit"
sudden lava
Give us a map token based off the treasure map
from the episode the above gif is from
or this as a treasure token
golden plover
in all honestly i dont like the direction that mtg is going
Same, might start working on that TCG concept I had again
ornate cedar
Same, might start working on that TCG concept I had again
I say go for it
polar lake
im sticking with FaB and Grand Archive now
golden plover
I just want a mtg competitor that isn't just investors hell
ornate cedar
I’m working on an electronic card game as a pet project and it’s a lot of fun
ornate cedar
That said I’ll still play Magic as long as it’s fun to play, but I feel bad for older fans that feel alienated
twilit canyon
i dont really feel bad about older fans
fallow citrus
isn't f&b just investment banking the card game
twilit canyon
it is
lusty trench
reminds me of when they had tons of promos of an expensive card left over after an event
what'd they do?
shred em
fallow citrus
ik that in the UK f&b is super small and expensive
not sure if it's different in the US
trail anvil
https://x.com/jeriafterdark/status/1849961131881763235?s=46
this seems like a big reach to me
is this a circle jerk
lusty trench
I have absolutely no clue nor stake in it
fallow citrus
I just don't want anything to do with AI discussions man
lusty trench
I just shared it to keep an eye on it
ah it was spring tunic promos they shredded, they're £120 each
fallow citrus
it's such a no mercy zone for people who hate it because anything that could be even 1% ai should immediately be removed from the internet and the artist should be banned from posting forever
trail anvil
I think it's a lot more likely that the artist omitted certain details, especially on a time crunch
fallow citrus
and if you try to say "I don't think it's AI" you automatically hate commissioned art and artists
trail anvil
on top of just poising random background details as bait like
even if it turns out to be AI I don't think this dude is justified lmao
lusty trench
my main issue with the art is the face looks too narrow to be sephiroth but squeenix doesn't mind making sephiroth bishi
golden plover
Holy shit standard 2026 is gonna be miserable
Completely ignoring the decision, theres 19 sets before rotation
That's fucking massive
golden plover
Didn't they tho
lusty trench
apologies, before I said these cards were £120... Theyre 40k
trail anvil
what am I looking at
lusty trench
flesh and blood staples being shredded so theyre more exclusive
golden plover
FAB is a fun game that's ruined by being investor hell
lusty trench
these were extras made for an event they had, instead of making them more avaliable, having more events with a chance to win one, or just extending the prize support, they went "eh fuck em they'll hold value if we destroy em"
legit it would'nt of even been an issue had they of not shown this
but theyre acting like theyre doing a service to the community by recording it and posting it
ornate cedar
it's such a no mercy zone for people who hate it because anything that could be ...
I don’t mind generative AI, especially if it isn’t being used surreptitiously. I feel that being secretive about it is worse than using it and owning that
polar lake
these were one time prize cards they still have printed versions you can get in packs
the only difference is that they're just gold foiling
lusty trench
these were one time prize cards they still have printed versions you can get in ...
I am aware, but they’re expensive staples that the community needed and they’re destroying them so they have value
ornate cedar
Ultimately though I think the cat is out of the bag with generative AI. It’s here and people are going to use and abuse it just like every tool.
polar lake
they're just prize cards version of the regular thing i dont see an issue
lusty trench
Because the regular thing is a chase card, one you’re not guaranteed per case
Not even through multiple cases
polar lake
where did you find that box pull rate from
i will say Welcome to Rathe did have snobby pull rates
polar lake
fyendal spring tunic has been reprinted 3 times now
actually 4
once in white border for historic packs
lusty trench
This is moving away from mtg a lot but this was at the time
polar lake
fab is far from a investor scheme
if anything the Reserved list makes mtg more of a investors scheme
lusty trench
Oh right as an aside mtg is removing damage assignment order
polar lake
i still dont get how that works
golden plover
Yeah I don't get it
polar lake
and i played when damage used to go on the stack
golden plover
Also [[Mother of Runes]] nerf?
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Creature — Human Cleric
: Target creature you control gains protection from the color of your choice until end of turn.
"My family protects all families."
1/1
fallow citrus
Oh right as an aside mtg is removing damage assignment order
wait that sucks
trail anvil
I feel like they phrased it wrong, you still choose how to assign damage, it's just done as the damage is dealt instead of after declaring blockers
fallow citrus
oh sure
glad peak
Good to see he settled down but I wonder how their home life is
twilit canyon
this is a pretty sick pauper edh commander
polar lake
is ajani pridemate downshifted yet?
copper pecan
nope
polar lake
bummer
copper pecan
it has been uncommon in all of its printings
golden plover
Really good article about this
He's totally right
There's some things he talks about like booster fun being personal preference
But everything else is spot on
Also big ups to him writing this when it's literally his job and he can lose his sponsorships over it
glad peak
I like how tarkir dragonstorm has the font in the dragonstorm band logo
trail anvil
is this the same rhystic study as the youtube guy or nah
golden plover
is this the same rhystic study as the youtube guy or nah
Same guy yeah
He's been officially sponsored by Wotc for a bit now
So him writing this out is wild
trail anvil
yeah dude seemed pretty chill on shuffle up and play too
golden plover
He's always been level headed
trail anvil
that title is very vitriolic, that's when you know it's bad lol
golden plover
His chapter headings are very vitriolic too
But I feel like he's mostly right
I don’t need Wanderer on a Magic card to validate how much Shadow of the Colossus meant to me. Wasted is time spent pointing at the facsimile in my command zone and repeatedly nudging the player next to me, wondering if they, too, were once moved by art.
This bit is good
stark skiff
I’m not surprised he’s mad. He’s a huge lore nerd of mtg
golden plover
Yeah, he does really love the flavor and lore
trail anvil
vorthoses really do get affected by this the most huh
golden plover
Yeah, but I also think people aren't fully 1 type
Like I'm closest to a Spike or Johnny, but I want all my cards to feel coherent so I guess I'm a bit Vorthos
copper pecan
i don't think magic cards have ever really felt coherent to me at any point during the time i've been playing
like
sleek ferry
This is such a bad faith argument lol “Pokémon, by the way, surpassed Mickey Mouse and became the most valuable media franchise in the history of the world without compromising an ounce of its identity. There are no Space Marines to be found with yellow borders.”
The magic lore and world had 30 years to peak
copper pecan
magic is never going to be as popular as pokemon and never had a shot at doing that
sleek ferry
And guess what, it peaked where most franchises peak
Trying to compare it to pokemon is extremely bad faith
Why is Yugioh not as big as Pokemon?
copper pecan
also people constantly talk about how pokemon has compromised its identity
the number one complaint that i see about pokemon is that it keeps doing the same stuff over and over again instead of doing anything new
people constantly talk about pokemon running out of ideas
copper pecan
do you remember when x and y came out and people were mad about there being a keychain pokemon
trail anvil
man we had a Pokemon that was a pokeball this ain't new
golden plover
I mean the modern pokemon games aren't amazingly designed, but every pokemon is a pokemon
trail anvil
the most popular designs are and always will be furry bait
copper pecan
i highly doubt that the reason pokemon is popular is because it doesn't do crossovers
golden plover
If they had a dlc for Pokemon and added Paw Patrol because they have a new movie coming out, people would be pissed
Especially if you had to use the paw patrol for VGC or lose
copper pecan
they could stop doing vgc entirely and it would barely make a dent in their profits
golden plover
I mean, yeah
copper pecan
competitive play isn't what sustains pokemon
trail anvil
I don't think any game doing crossovers actually makes it lose players. this decision might not make them lose players. what people take an issue with is how much the crossover has gotten into the game
golden plover
But I think even the average pokemon fan would notice something was up if the next game had the paw patrol and Pitbull in it
trail anvil
Pitbull as a trainer even would be fine, I still stand by that
copper pecan
But I think even the average pokemon fan would notice something was up if the ne...
nobody gave a shit when they put imakuni in the card game
trail anvil
now if you had a paw patrol character as a pokemon I'm sure people would complain lol
golden plover
nobody gave a shit when they put imakuni in the card game
That's entirely different lol
trail anvil
there are easy tasteful ways to do crossovers
golden plover
The game freak devs have always cameoed
It'd be way different if there was an "Ed Sheeran's Lucario" card
(I know about the celebrity cards, they don't count. They're not legal anywhere and they're only given to the celebs)
trail anvil
again even if they were, I feel like self inserting yourself into a Pokemon game as a trainer is really far from controversial.
the game is set in the modern world and I feel like that's even how you're designed to engage with it
golden plover
Yeah, the feedback would be a lot worse if it was a new pokemon game with Paw Patrol, Hello Kitty as pokemon
But I also saw the point that it'd be really jarring if Warhammer had a new set that was SpongeBob
Alters are one thing, but an official stat block for SpongeBob army would be gross
past socket
He is not the Møthman, into the mines he goes
ornate cedar
I found out it’s fake but goddamn I half believed it
past socket
Spongledorp renovations would’ve listened if Handsome Squidward asked for no Meso-American
copper pecan
the collector's number is a giveaway
zinc shard
twilit canyon
yeah i'd say this tracks
zinc shard
I liked Day/Night but I also understand it's hard to track
Surprised Cleave is on there
twilit canyon
that wasnt really the issue the problem was the mechanic just didnt do much in most games
twilit canyon
Surprised Cleave is on there
same reason as day/night
it just didnt really add much
sleek ferry
Cleave is just kicker
Day/night was good after the changes they made to it when they brought it back
trail anvil
what's unmemorable?
glad peak
who knows, we forgot
i'm surprised fateful hour is on their
it's a pretty interesting mechanic but i guess there isn't too much you can do and it's way too easy to manipulate
rigid scarab
https://x.com/TCGplayer/status/1850356068511318338?t=QAaeCbKXMIKlFCiWQGwKUg&s=19
Honestly name one other TCG that will blatantly and outwardly call of some their game design choices mistakes
Surprised companion is so low though
I’d have it #10
rigid scarab
Day/night was good after the changes they made to it when they brought it back
Didn’t the change to it make it worse
Also I’m pretty sure the reason they call Cleave bad is literally because it was just kicker
past socket
From what I heard about Stickers I’d imagine they’d be higher
Sounds like a massive pain
lusty trench
Stickers and attractions are just annoying gameplay wise especially because they used to force you to bring a sticker deck even if you weren’t using cards that had it otherwise you’d signal what you’re playing
trail anvil
I've never played with stickers, but did you actually have to peel them off every time too? would the stickers not lose adhesive really quickly?
lusty trench
They use a special adhesive
You can peel and restick them thousands of times
It doesn’t leave residue behind either
trail anvil
TIL that exists, I guess I'm just too used to cheap stickers
lusty trench
Downside is, they don’t stick down that well
past socket
At least that isn’t an issue for a silver lining
gritty nest
apparently theyre changing how combat works slightly?
trail anvil
it's nothing big. basically when you declared multiple blockers before the attacker could choose the order during which they were assigning damage immediately after declare blockers step. now you just choose how the damage is distributed as it's dealt so the blocker can't respond with a combat trick or something in response to ordering blockers
zinc shard
you also dont have to deal lethal damage to a blocker to deal damage to the next blocker.
rigid scarab
it's nothing big. basically when you declared multiple blockers before the attac...
That's.... huge, no?
Like that fundamentally changes blocking decision making
trail anvil
how so
rigid scarab
Well when damage is assigned you could cast a combat trick on the first creature being blocked
Now the attacker can just ignore it
trail anvil
not necessarily, they still have to deal with the damage, but the blocking person has to cast the spell pre-emptively now
rather than waiting for block order then using it in response to take advantage
trail anvil
not if you think about it. if you're assuming both players are playing the best way they can you should know how they're going to assign damage anyways
rigid scarab
Or like heck in commander
trail anvil
the biggest thing this does afaik is just prevent people from making a mistake into combat tricks with multiple blockers, which is already a niche situation