But she sucks UGH
#Magic the Gathering
clever sun
trail anvil
ilse gort has drawn ajani before, ez answer
golden plover
ilse gort has drawn ajani before, ez answer
I don't think she's drawn the answer to that question tho. You'd have to check her FA
trail anvil
time to commission her /s
golden plover
She is open for comms
stark skiff
its marvel this will be a lot of sets lol
btw when is the SLD gonna be available to buy?
golden plover
Or sell like shit because it's past the prime lol
trail anvil
She is open for comms
yeah but I can't imagine wizards would be too happy about one of their artists getting money for a naked ajani
golden plover
That's probably the case
glad peak
Hopefully one spiderman is cedh viable because that would be funny
Looks like it’s across the spiderverse themed?
lusty trench
Oh right we also need to note they're fine with breaking layouts for flavour now
Capcom didn't put up the fuck you money required for guile
Me staring at caps shield being war and peace (actual worst sword)
Honestly value wise though these lairs aren't bad
...except black panthers
Actually how much is heroic nowadays
gritty nest
what colors would Spider-Man be actually?
past socket
Red Blue like his costume?
sleek ferry
Spider-Man’s personality def screams blue
past socket
Also forgot to ask earlier when I was learning Standard was the best for newbie’s first format. What would be a good deck to learn with?
lusty trench
what colors would Spider-Man be actually?
You probably could make any colour work for Spider-Man
Blue for his intelligence and quick thinking, red for strong emotions, white for strong sense of personal responsibility, the hardest ones to make work are black, which you could symbiote for and green which he has his connection to the web of life and destiny and his connection to the people he saves (friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man)
If I had to pick colours for him though I'd go blue white
gritty nest
Spider-Man’s personality def screams blue
I feel like he would also potentially have white, just going by suit colors is not the entirely best route imo
gritty nest
If I had to pick colours for him though I'd go blue white
I was thinking that or Jeskai, give him red too
glad peak
Blue red just for suit color would be funny
But we’re expecting more than one spiderman to be here since they specified across the spiderverse
Grixis spiderman 2099 
golden plover
Also forgot to ask earlier when I was learning Standard was the best for newbie’...
I really like the Mono-White deck
It's pretty simple and it's very strong
subtle sierra
i second this
sleek ferry
Playing an abzan version of this, but due to the mana base this is considerably more consistent
trail anvil
abzan version of this
only shares green with this deck
sleek ferry
It’s the same idea. You max out on overlords, beans for max value
You can literally take any 3 colors with green and make an overlord deck
glad peak
Nah he’s gonna be green because his name says green 
past socket
Mono-White it is
past socket
very thicc tokens indeed
And it seems having bnuuy makes them the coolest type by default
ornate cedar
Nah he’s gonna be green because his name says green <:KEKW:622347587516628993>
Gruul Goblin beat down lessgo
Although Gobby would probably be more of a Golgari
He’s more calculating than emotional
copper pecan
imagine how mad people would be if a card with "green" in the name wasn't green
ornate cedar
I could see people being snarky, but would they be actually mad?
ornate cedar
Rakdos Legendary Rich Creep
I still think Black is a good match for Norman’s character too
I don’t think Norman has a moral code outside of what’s good for him, but I also don’t read Spider-Man comics
stark skiff
I could see people being snarky, but would they be actually mad?
riots worse than cedh banlist will happen
past socket
Magic art really goes hard like that Warhammer Sol Ring based on a C’tan Shard
zinc shard
... uhhhhh
trail anvil
ah yes the good ol omniscience draft FTK
this makes up for the game where I got hit by the only 2 viable counterspells in the format
that said, if they built their deck right they probably shouldn't scoop just yet lmao
trophy 
ornate cedar
riots worse than cedh banlist will happen
You know what? I could see Gobby being Jund. He had a monologue in Ultimate Spider-Man where he goes on about how life is made of “circles” (by which he meant cycles, like cycles of life and death), so he has some Green in him with that sort of deference to the natural order. Make him the Jund Goblin
glad peak
Schrodinger’s rabbit
glad peak
Wow storm is even worse the more I think about it, you have to storm off main 1 and then attack with her to get the storm payoff
sudden lava
twilit canyon
they are reprinting thoracle and consult 
sudden lava
shivan dragon appearance
twilit canyon
snapcaster is probably in this
sleek ferry
shark pirate...
copper pecan
idk i feel like they probably wouldn't want snapcaster in standard forever
sleek ferry
snapcaster is probably an appropriate power level for standard
copper pecan
i think the reprinted champ card is gonna be solemn simulacrum
twilit canyon
i could see bob
sleek ferry
what's the "top 10 card i sign"
twilit canyon
but simulacrum is a good call
sleek ferry
what are cards people would ask rosewater to sign
what cards do we associate with mark rosewater
twilit canyon
probably a card he designed
copper pecan
what cards do we associate with mark rosewater
the two cards i think of when i think of him are [[maro]] and [[doubling season]]
copper pecan
maro is named after him and doubling season is his favorite card
twilit canyon
2x season would be nice but honestly its probably maro
copper pecan
doubling season also matches up with one of the other teasers
sudden lava
not sure what these are
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golden plover
Maybe [[Meddling Mage]]
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twilit canyon
not sure what these are
i already said what they are
but theres an infinite amount of these
sleek ferry
oh yeah? name 45
golden plover
Yay they're giving us Kiki Jiki and Pestermite
Or Splinter Twin and Pestermite, Or Kiki Jiki and Felidar Guardian
You can literally do this all day
copper pecan
kiki jiki and restoration angel
golden plover
Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood
twilit canyon
channel + fireball
thoracle + consult
thoracle + pact
thoracle + leveler
leveler + jace
inverter + thoracle
inverter + jace
inverter + lab man
leveler + lab man
consult + lab man
pact + lab man
painter + grindstone
splinter twin + pestermite
kiki jiki + guardian
kiki jiki + town untapper forget the name
copper pecan
kiki jiki and 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 jiki
twilit canyon
i can literally keep going on the kiki + lab/jace/thoracle various lines
copper pecan
Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood
it's not this, they have to be different colors
sudden lava
I dont think its leveler, its colorless
golden plover
Oh right
Can't be them
But you can literally do this all day with 2 card combos
~~Its actually wrath and Biorhythm ~~
sudden lava
yeah
twilit canyon
necrotic ooze combos
devoted druid combos
heliod combos
they could go old school with panda burst
flash + hulk
sneak attack + emrakul
sleek ferry
can we get bowmasters in standard pls
golden plover
Absolutely not
twilit canyon
it'd be a glorified rally the troops
golden plover
It'd be a problem to put it into standard for 5+ years and pioneer forever
The issue is anything in foundations is in standard until 2030
sleek ferry
what's the top decks in pioneer?
twilit canyon
hey you wanted a way to nerf phoenix...
golden plover
Just take treasure cruise from them lol
twilit canyon
i actually cant believe they will give us llanowar elves for 5 years
golden plover
Omniscience is like fine, but it means there can't be a good way to cheat out enchantments for the next 5 years
twilit canyon
so theres no way that standard cares about it
golden plover
Anything better than Kona is a problem
golden plover
Kona probably gets better in the death race set, but not by much
twilit canyon
what else can you literally print better?
at that point you just recreate/reprint oath of druids or show and tell
sleek ferry
btw I was thinking this the other day
golden plover
But yeah, OBM can't be put in pioneer or standard
Especially considering they outright said the card was a design mistake
sleek ferry
but is this the first standard in a while where you need as many mythic wild cards as you do now?
sudden lava
new snack for Indominus maybe?
golden plover
Is that not just [[Akroma, Angel of Wrath]]?
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sudden lava
Could be
golden plover
Gotta have the dud mythics in there
sleek ferry
kinda weird that we're getting new cards in foundations
should I just treat these as the new core sets?
copper pecan
yeah the whole point of foundations is that it's a core set
trail anvil
Omniscience is like fine, but it means there can't be a good way to cheat out en...
don't we already have multiple decent ways
golden plover
None of them are good tho
trail anvil
reenact the crime was a ladder deck during MKM standard
also my guesses for the reprints are lab man + associated deck destroyer, sad robot and doubling season
while maro itself would be funny, I don't think it's really that interesting and doubling season is pretty expensive so what better place to reprint it
sleek ferry
why's he got to be sad though
trail anvil
he's killed so often for his draw 
copper pecan
foundations reprints
subtle sierra
among
twilit canyon
wasnt expecting dreadhorde general
golden plover
Dreadhorde was like the only expensive Liliana so that's good
Although this alt art feels more Of the Veil
Vivien's alt art is kinda nothing
Ajani's is fine
twilit canyon
caller is a decent walker but idt he makes it anywhere
golden plover
Yeah wish they had picked [[Ajani the Great-hearted]] or something
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golden plover
I also like Strength of the Pride for basic Ajanis
twilit canyon
gearthearted is worse tbh
golden plover
Greathearted is fun in draft
lusty trench
Happy they gave dreadhorde general the chain veil looks so cool
golden plover
It's also our second art of Lili actually wearing the veil
trail anvil
I'm guessing that ajani is usually used as a finisher?
twilit canyon
it jumps a creature for lethal with double strike yeah
its a 3 mana trick in 90% of scenarios
sorcery speed hurts it for sure
golden plover
Wait there's like 100 new cards
Assuming they're operating off the thing they did for Battlebond, Ajani's set ID is 134
He's A in White
So there's at least 120-130 cards coming before him
sleek ferry
man, standard feels so bad if you don't play a deck that natually runs gy hate
golden plover
Wait we can actually figure out how many cards are multicolor and new
[[Anthem of Champions]] is 116
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golden plover
So that means there's at most 18 new multicolor cards
trail anvil
man, standard feels so bad if you don't play a deck that natually runs gy hate
wym naturally
golden plover
I've had no issues with it, but I just side in RIP
But also, this standard doesn't seem that graveyard heavy imo
Outside of Oculus and the black Overlord, but he's like the 4th most played one
sleek ferry
maybe it's my luck, but I've ran into a million and 1 reanimator decks
I barely run into mono red anymore even
sleek ferry
domain, push/pull rakdos/ mono black reanimator/orzhov reanimator/ azorius reanimator
trail anvil
I tried reanimator but that deck feels a bit rough with azorius tempo being one of the top decks
past socket
Bnuuy my beloved
sudden lava
Pearl-Ear deck arrived today ❤️
Card Kingdom gave me this chibi vampire token as a bonus (has a QR code on the back for a survey, but this is much cooler then the white 1/1 lifelink vampire token I have)
trail anvil
got a product survey from wizards 👀
trail anvil
breach the multiverse into nantuko slicer into breach the multiverse into craterhoof is a good combo
past socket
Hahaha big animals go brrrrr
trail anvil
lol pet semetary in this bitch
past socket
So this is why sometimes dead is bettah
sudden lava
oh foundation reveal today?
trail anvil
average reminder that if you haven't seen arena award you wildcards for the ban, make sure to craft 4 of these for free cards
atomic harness
Thank you son
golden plover
No bans until January, looking at adjusting the banlist within brackets
Olivia and Josh stayed on
copper pecan
having josh be on is a terrible idea imo
he actively fanned the flames of the harassment that lead to this situation in the first place
and seems to be against having the panel actually do anything
lusty trench
Are these like
Just advisors
Or do they actually get to vote on things that happen
Because if it's the latter it's over
golden plover
They weren't clear on what they are really
lusty trench
I don't even like the idea of Josh being in the advisory pool, the man has abysmal takes
golden plover
I assume it's kinda just the CAG again tho
copper pecan
what does josh think the point of the rules committee was
like
if they don't ban anything then what do they actually do?
trail anvil
he actively fanned the flames of the harassment that lead to this situation in t...
also I see this take everywhere
dude disagreed with the bans I feel like it was a bit blown out of proportion. he may have gotten heated over it but legitimately released an apology video or two after
idk maybe I'm missing something
copper pecan
it's not that he disagreed with the bans, it's that the way he said it sounded a lot like he was saying that the harassment was their fault
like, he actively contributed to people's lives being put in danger
he shouldn't be on the advisory panel after that, even if he said he was sorry
golden plover
There's also at least 3 cedh reps on the new panel which is good
trail anvil
I don't remember this at all
golden plover
Means cards that actually need bans might get them
trail anvil
I remember him saying "it's understandable people would be mad at this because they lost money" or something to the effect
golden plover
Although I imagine cedh is probably getting relegated to bracket 4
trail anvil
not "death threats are justified keep making them"
golden plover
Yeah I didn't like the way he said his stuff on the banlist but it wasn't like he encouraged the harassment
lusty trench
I've read the descriptions for each of these people
lusty trench
This group sounds like they actually get to vote on decisions
A lot of them have history with being TOs or judges
golden plover
Yeah it's an overall pretty good group
lusty trench
We pray josh gets kicked off 🙏
trail anvil
I don't really agree with his takes on some stuff but eh I think he'll be fine enough
trail anvil
dude is definitely more on the spike side of things and an infamous control player but hey 
lusty trench
The issue with josh I have is he as others here have already said, is incredibly stubborn about change
If the change comes through new cards he's mostly fine with it
But when someone actually wants to act on the format
copper pecan
i don't think he understands the point of the panel in the first place if he just doesn't want anything to be banned
trail anvil
he is also 1 voice out of 17
copper pecan
formats without banlists suck ass
trail anvil
has he ever said he doesn't want anything to be banned
sudden lava
But pramikon vehicle equipment isn't rediculous, its cool ;p
trail anvil
even the most rule 0 centric and competitive of players probably want cards like hullbreacher banned etc
lusty trench
The issue is he doesn't like when old cards considered staples get banned
Which is something necessary for all formats
sleek ferry
We've had this argument before so I'll keep it short. Josh specifically said in response to the RC saying they were blind sided by the response from the community, to paraphrase he said "how were the RC blind sided by this reaction? We've all been in this community and have seen the dark side of it. You were also warned by people within Wizards..." etc.
lusty trench
Tbh I actually kind of agree with that, they should've 100% expected the backlash. Doesn't make the backlash itself right, but we have known for decades the kind of temper tantrums the players can have
trail anvil
I don't think that's exactly what he was saying jot lol
lusty trench
Oh am I not reading it right?
trail anvil
it's part of it but also like
I think a big part of it was still implementing it the way olivia suggested. a lot was dropped at once after not a lot of bans before
lusty trench
Personally I wouldn't of handled it differently (hell if I had my way more would've been hit), but that's just a perspective thing
I can easily say that considering I didn't personally face any backlash
sleek ferry
I think what Josh said toes the line of victim blaming, while not exactly being victim blaming tbh. As he said in his apology, he was channeling his frustrations for not being able to have input into the situation, and basically getting off the plane one day and seeing everything on fire. He admitted he should have chosen his words better, and prof did a good job of kinda getting a lot of honesty out of him
lusty trench
not being able to have an input
sleek ferry
And last thing I'll say is, everybody could have handled this situation better, from the RC, to Josh, to the community. The only person who I genuinely feel bad for as idt they did anything specifically wrong (and she probably shouldn't have been singled out) is Olivia
lusty trench
Oh yeah Olivia got shit on for no reason
Insane because she was in the people who were doing the harrassings corner
sleek ferry
wait, is our cedh representative just Rebell?
glad peak
Wasn’t it caused by someone tweeting that she didn’t want the bans to happen and then she got the spotlight?
sleek ferry
Wasn’t it caused by someone tweeting that she didn’t want the bans to happen and...
RC member tweeted this yes
glad peak
Also oof even Rebell states they don’t play cedh much
lusty trench
wait, is our cedh representative just Rebell?
One million years thassas oracle
sleek ferry
I'm saying in retrospect RC should have just gone down as a group, instead of trying to single out other's opinions
I get why they did it, but it just created extra drama
trail anvil
I'm surprised people didn't cut more slack, but then again she's hounded for past comments and being a woman, etc
glad peak
Roggy poggy one million years
copper pecan
>not being able to have an input
<:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078> well josh let's...
yeah like
they didn't ask his opinions on the bans because they already knew what his opinion on it was
lusty trench
He's acting like he personally should've been consulted on when how and what bans should happen
Like no, that's not your role my guy
You give general ideas, it's what they want from you
trail anvil
I think he just wanted any kind of back and forth, but again the rules committee very specifically wanted to keep it under wraps because it was such a big decision
he felt betrayed because he felt they didn't trust the CAG enough with that information. which honestly with hundreds of members I get, someone is bound to leak that info even in a trustworthy group
sleek ferry
I mean, the CAG shouldn't have been hundreds of members to begin with tbf. Idt consulting 1 of the main people who popularized the format is that farfetched though. Wasn't Rachel also a part of the CAG too?
twilit canyon
rebell is a cedh player
glad peak
Iirc they said they haven’t really played much recently but they might’ve started back up
gritty nest
Is Olivia the only one from the former RC?
atomic harness
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/mtg-arena-banned-and-restricted-...
@pulsar talon
pulsar talon
stark skiff
They also got Rebell Lily onto the team
oh so nothing changed wtf is this shit
zinc shard
Is anyone else not able to update Arena on Steam?
gritty nest
Is anyone else not able to update Arena on Steam?
I’ve had this happen with other games, completely close out steam and reopen
zinc shard
Thank you
gritty nest
Did it work?
copper pecan
accidentally did the [[mythweaver poq]] [[ashaya, soul of the wild]] infinite on myself
copper pecan
felt like shit
lusty trench
tie game due to unbreakable loop right?
copper pecan
yeah
i forgot that poq doesn't just count the first land of the turn, but the first land he sees
including himself if he is a land
trail anvil
oof we all learn the hard way
if it makes you feel better I've done that loop by accident 2, maybe 3 times
zinc shard
yes
past socket
Always good to have a snack on you at all times
past socket
Speaking of cards like Carrot Cake though
Would it be funny if like bananas in real life you could lose from using too many banana tokens in a single game?
golden plover
Why even bother playing this out smh
You were dead like 4 turns ago
Their best case scenario was drawing a sunfall (and immediately losing the token to my Loran and dying)
golden plover
Foundations Jumpstart isn't standard legal?
Cancels all pioneer events for a year
Refuses to finish putting the remaining like what, 20 cards on arena for pioneer?
"pioneer isn't dead"
ornate cedar
The pioneers will rise again!
ornate cedar
Pulled a $10 card that I didn’t know was $10
I already pulled another copy before that
Time to get a Roth IRA
golden plover
Why are Caretaker's Decks in Standard on [[Archangel Elspeth]]? This card is DOGSHIT
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golden plover
Love taking a turn off from the game and losing me the game
4 mana is the same as Overlord and he says "You win the game if he makes it through impending" on him
twilit canyon
thats the thing: you dont always make it through impending on overlord. elspeth has more immediate impact in the -2
golden plover
I dunno, worst case scenario my overlord gets me 2 2/1s and probably draws me 1-3 cards
Worst case scenario for Elspeth she makes a 1/1 and dies in the air
This list is already tight af
I can't imagine where I'd fit her
sleek ferry
Like Misty said it’s the -2
It applies necessary pressure
You don’t mind trading a token + elspeth for 2 of their cards
That’s you trading up if anything
golden plover
I guess that's fair, but I still think she's just worse than Overlord in the slot
golden plover
Toby wins a ton of games
past socket
For he is the Beastie Befriender
golden plover
You go wide and Toby makes your board 11 11/11 fliers
past socket
Love that name lmao
sleek ferry
I’ve never seen Toby get to do anything ngl
golden plover
He's insane
twilit canyon
toby is not good
past socket
Almost as funny as something like Bristly Bill
twilit canyon
in my worlds testing team (im not going) toby was destroyed completely
as a viable card or as a synergy piece
golden plover
Nah, he's either a removal magnet (that usually leaves a 1/1 behind) or he just blows them out
sleek ferry
If you’re going to be on Toby, I would at the very least cut him to 2
golden plover
I think Toby is really solid rn
I could go down on an innocence or two, but I think having 5 copies of caretakers is correct also
sleek ferry
There’s no reason you should be playing him at 4
twilit canyon
same with innocence. 2-3 is the most i'd do
sanguine evangelist is strong
helps close games out much quicker than expected for this kind of deck
golden plover
I'd rather Toby over evangelist
Toby forces them to waste removal and they almost always waste it on the wrong place
If they're smart, they kill Toby (especially on an empty board)
sleek ferry
Why no uh white virtue? Instant speed token that eventually turns into a must answer piece is something I would play over Toby
golden plover
But a lot of time they kill the token
twilit canyon
toby doesnt do that
golden plover
Why no uh white virtue? Instant speed token that eventually turns into a must an...
I could play a virtue or two
sleek ferry
Also caretake getting to copy a 2/2 vigilance knight is better than most things it can copy
Also, it’s probably not relevant in mono white, but I always like 1 white sun’s twilight
But idt this deck gets to 7 mana often
And if it does, you probably lost to a control deck would be my guess
twilit canyon
you do get to 7. you are control too. still wouldnt play twilight
golden plover
On 7 you just hard cast overlord
Or even better, ghostly dancers and another doll room
sleek ferry
I’m biased towards twilight as its won me a lot of games
But I also win games in very fucky ways if they go long enough
Poison counters, mill them with robbery, outresource them
golden plover
Nah dancers is insane
It either gets you a lost caretaker's back or it opens doll room and your board become 11 11/11s
And the eerie trigger is FREQUENT
twilit canyon
you dont need it. ever. doll room also loses out hard to carrot cake
a comment testing team and i had made called carrot cake the 2 drop mythic vs doll room the 2 drop uncommon
from a power perspective
golden plover
I dunno, doll room isn't your immediate 2 drop if you've got both
golden plover
But Doll Room into Innocence is either a draw and stabilizing or it forces removal
twilit canyon
the amount of incidental life in the format means that it isnt true
it also leaves you soft to spot removal on the open room
golden plover
I think the difference is that I'm playing this deck midrange
And a lot of lists are playing this deck into control
golden plover
I think playing this deck more midrange feels better rn in mythic tho
sleek ferry
[[doll room]]
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sleek ferry
[[dollmaker’s shop]]
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Enchantment — Room
Whenever one or more non-Toy creatures you control attack a player, create a 1/1 white Toy artifact creature token.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Porcelain Gallery 
Enchantment — Room
Creatures you control have base power and toughness each equal to the number of creatures you control.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
trail anvil
jesus christ autotapper lmao
used anzrag mana off enduring vitality to tap for anzrag ability
I scooped because that's a feels bad moment
gritty nest
Have any of you built ur-dragon?
past socket
Is Krarkashima the Magic deck equivalent of friendships being broken from a game of Mario Party
trail anvil
krarkashima is firewall gouki
actually maybe dark world would be a better comparison, but dark world if it was good
subtle sierra
so firewall danger ftk?
past socket
Cursed
Also reminded myself of the first time I had my interest piqued by Magic ages through a curiosity of what Burn decks were like in Magic
Which I have learned a bit
golden plover
Imagine playing Leyline Red in mythic
And losing because you can't keep shit on the board
sleek ferry
Gruul isn’t shocking
Green helps sure up a lot of the weaknesses red had
Dimir demons is my pick to make top 4
golden plover
I'm thinking the Golgari build is way better
The midrange build that splashes for a minor demon package
trail anvil
I forgot, they're not on the most recent banlist right?
trail anvil
oh duh right lmao
was gonna say they're still running resonance in the main board to my knowledge
twilit canyon
just one is on leyline yup
as prediccted
the gruul deck with leyline is bad
the innkeepers is p solid
the testing team i was in didnt truly believe in the deck but 1 person brought gruul anyways
trail anvil
huh I guess that one big japanese event was people farming early set standard
lusty trench
trail anvil
that japanese event was *bad*
oof, I had too much faith in numbers
twilit canyon
not ur fault everyone who is good paid attention to the recent jp events in general cus good players participated but it was full of unoptimized/bad decklists
trail anvil
also damn there's no caretaker's talent among the top decks?
golden plover
also damn there's no caretaker's talent among the top decks?
There's 4 lists, but they're split among colors so it's "Other"
3 Mono-White, 1 Azorious
trail anvil
ye
I mean more the archetypes that are listed by name, I figured this card would have more sticking power
golden plover
I think it's just that lists haven't adapted to play under domain
The field looks like it's mostly domain and Gruul, so Dimir and Gruul were the safer bets
I do think Caretaker's is strong in standard rn, I'm not having many issues with it in mythic
But I think the lists will have to adapt to answer Domain, and that's not something pros probably had time to lab before worlds
I'm interested to see what the 4 lists look like tho, because the deck is fun
I'm really curious if Oculus can survive format shifts tho
Everything in the format rn can run either ghost vaccuum, RIP, or both
And I don't think Oculus can play when everything that's not Gruul outs it
Also, there's 0 copies of the black Overlord in ANY deck
Not surprising, but that guy got overhyped so hard
trail anvil
I feel like oculus has been prevalent for a very long time because the deck already existed in a lesser capacity with the prowess dude instead of eye
at this point the meta has adapted to it and I think it's settling
golden plover
Yeah, I think it can survive, but it's gonna have tough matchups post SB for certain decks
trail anvil
Also, there's 0 copies of the black Overlord in ANY deck
this is a shame but I feel like it's bad into the top two decks. domain is all about exile removal and a 2 mana dig isn't exactly where you wanna be at vs aggro
golden plover
Yeah black Overlord is taking a turn off early game
trail anvil
you need gy synergy otherwise and RIP/vacuum is already there for oculus
golden plover
And you don't wanna do that against Gruul
Also, he can't grab your other overlords
He specifically says non-Avatar
So if he mills your Hauntwoods, it's gone
trail anvil
all the overlords were hyped up at the start cause they're really damn good into other midrange normally
golden plover
I mean, most of them are VERY good
trail anvil
yeah
golden plover
I think the meta has settled on the green and white ones being the best
trail anvil
well the green one is obvious cause it auto turns on domain and ramps you
golden plover
Red and Blue are playable, but don't make the cut
And Black is proving worse over time
trail anvil
blue actually seems like the worst to me tbh, but I could be underrating it
golden plover
Looting every turn on a flying 5/3 is pretty solid
Issue is they're probably the least likely one to play at impending
trail anvil
that's if it sticks lol
trail anvil
I'd argue looking at the top 5 and grabbing a creature or planeswalker is good too
golden plover
Unfortunately it mills them
They can RIP and it does nothing
Or vacuum up whatever you want
trail anvil
more people are on vacuum than RIP to my knowledge though
golden plover
We don't know the full stats there
trail anvil
vacuum can only be used pre-emptively
golden plover
There's 120 vacuums in the SB, 1 in the main
But they didn't post full lists
We don't know the number of RIPs
trail anvil
well you could go on color alone tbh. you know eye can't run it
golden plover
Although only Domain, Oculus (which won't play it), Jeskai, and Caretaker's can play RIP
Yeah, there's way more non-white decks that can play vaccuum so it's definitely seeing way more play
There's only 3 Red Overlord and no Blue either
trail anvil
I think the big thing is that you need gy synergies to justify it
golden plover
Twitter
trail anvil
while the meta was still being figured out it was nice because if you could afford to take that turn off then you just played a 2 mana dig that turns into a body later
golden plover
Interestingly, there's a Grixis Stormsplitter list
It's using [[Cursed Recording]] and [[Beseech the Mirror]] to win the game
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Artifact
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a time counter on Cursed Recording. Then if there are seven or more time counters on it, remove those counters and it deals 20 damage to you.
: When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
zinc shard
MTGGoldfish did a video on this deck a few days ago
trail anvil
that's funny
gritty nest
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/P8GwLXDPj0G2DgEh-iHf9g
I built this a long time ago when I had less skill with deck building, how does it look?
trail anvil
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/P8GwLXDPj0G2DgEh-iHf9g
I built this a long time ...
it's certainly an ur dragon deck. the jodah/fist of suns stuff seems weird when it's not discounting much
past socket
Should I be scared of the keyword Eminence on something
gritty nest
it's certainly an ur dragon deck. the jodah/fist of suns stuff seems weird when ...
It was meant to go with Morophon to make everything free
gritty nest
Should I be scared of the keyword Eminence on something
Depends on the commander
There’s 5 eminence commander and one that doesn’t have it but essentially has eminence
past socket
Like I’m gonna guess “Absolutely” for something like The Ur-Dragon
gritty nest
It’s okay
copper pecan
ur dragon is actually the most balanced emenence commander
gritty nest
His on field effect is more broken
past socket
Oh…
copper pecan
the one to really look out for is edgar
past socket
Oh no
gritty nest
But [[Edgar Markov]]
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glad peak
It’s meh on some and literally the only reason why you play the deck for others
past socket
Oh yeah a friend showed me Edgar Markov
glad peak
[[inalla]] is easily the best one
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Eminence — Whenever another nontoken Wizard you control enters, if Inalla, Archmage Ritualist is in the command zone or on the battlefield, you may pay 
. If you do, create a token that's a copy of that Wizard. The token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
Tap five untapped Wizards you control: Target player loses 7 life.
4/5
past socket
That according to her Edgar is so broken he basically overshadows any other choice for a Commander for a Vampire strategy outside of just not wanting to play Edgar
gritty nest
There’s
Edgar Markov
The Ur-Dragon
Inalla, Archmage Ritualist
Arahbo, Roar of the World
The Zhalfir dude from MOM
Oloro*
Markov is very consistent in what he does imo for mardu aristocrats or vampire tribal
Ur-Dragon is good for dragons since the cost reduction, but his main value comes from existing on the table
past socket
So it’s more about snowballing into Ur-Dragon and just dragon these cards across their faces
gritty nest
In a sense
past socket
I deserve to be shot for that joke though
gritty nest
Arahbo is a buff
The zhalfir dude says draw a card then discard, but his main value comes from himself attacking
glad peak
Arahbo’s the weakest and the esper ones are alright
gritty nest
Oloro gains you two life
glad peak
Actually oloro’s probably the weakest
gritty nest
Oloro is good for life gain
The issue is life gain
golden plover
Oloro is good for small value without needing to do anything
gritty nest
True
past socket
“It’s not you Oloro, it’s me” - Life gain decks probably
gritty nest
No it’s the fact that life gain is good but not end all be all the best
Because someone can just come along and smack you with a [[Light-Paws]] and you die on the spot
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golden plover
Imo the Eminence tier list goes:
-Inalla
-Edgar
-Sidar
-Arahbo
-Ur-Dragon
gritty nest
Honestly I find inalla weaker, but I haven’t seen her properly used
golden plover
Inalla is cedh viable
gritty nest
Only time I’ve seen her used was the pride event in which she was paired with uh
Funny esper wizard commander that grabs necropotence from your deck
glad peak
Inalla is 1 card 20 step win combo
gritty nest
Zur the enchanter, had to google it
gritty nest
Inalla is 1 card 20 step win combo
So yugioh?
past socket
Inalla must be even more nasty if Edgar kinda just is seen as THE Vampire guy with how strong he is
past socket
I’m just learning it on the side thanks to my friend as fun as Standard has been
gritty nest
One of my best decks personally is my Sam and Frodo food token deck, but it’s not the actual best thing to exist
past socket
Making loads of snacks, the ultimate gameplan
gritty nest
I mean the main goal is to kill the table with tokens
Or exquisite blood sanguine bond infinite
past socket
Cramming food down their throats, even better!
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
im excited when my opponent thoughtseizes me on 1. it means they are down 2 life and 1 card when i know i'll draw the same card they discarded
one of my funniest irl concession stories was an opp mulls to 6 thoughtseizes me, sees 3 expressive iterations, a bolt, 2 lands, and drc and they conceded the match
fallow citrus
lmfao
gritty nest
Nice
copper pecan
the goat 
sleek ferry
That Kefka is so sick
stark skiff
Meh
sudden lava
oh right tomorrow is magiccon vegas
past socket
He’s looking to be clowning on people (hopefully)
stark skiff
Put some respect on the greatest FF villain kid
Final Fantasy talk about washed franchise 
gritty nest
Digimon on the other hand
polar lake
Final Fantasy talk about washed franchise <:334:1222883693832704011>
is the Final Fantasy TCG still being made?
sudden lava
Final Fantasy reveals happening very soon
Twitter
Along with Foundations
Note 1 PM pst is 8 minutes after this discord message
sudden lava
golden plover
RIP to anyone who thought the player card was gonna be Snapcaster. No shit he wasn't coming to standard
Ehh, it's fine
Twitter
Set rotation wull be back to January in 2027
Twitter
@lusty trench LMAOOOO
IMAGINE HAVING TO DO THAT
Funniest fucking announcement
lusty trench
HAHAHAHA
sudden lava
Ha!
golden plover
"We're bringing back NOT FUCKING YOU OVER!! (on select products)"
OH NEVER FUCKING MIND
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY A SHIT ASS DECISION
trail anvil
I use Thomas the tank engine to counter your iron man
lusty trench
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY A SHIT ASS DECISION
UB SETS CARDS GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE
polar lake
wait is ths in the foundation set or is it a guest card
cause sad robo in standard might be crazy
sudden lava
wait is ths in the foundation set or is it a guest card
buy a box promo
golden plover
polar lake
ok what the actual fuck
golden plover
AND ITS WORSE!!!
trail anvil
we had sad robot in a recent standard
golden plover
Cool glad to see the game identity is just gonna actually die
trail anvil
it's not crazy
golden plover
What the fuck hasbro
This is genuinely worst case scenario for UB products
"But they won't affect standard or the premier set releases"
Eww not Remy. Dude's on Stephen Crowder's podcast
But yeah, what the fuck
I'm so mad at the 50/50 decision
sudden lava
wait seriously? eww
golden plover
Rent is the song parody guy right?
sudden lava
yeah
trail anvil
wait so same number of sets but half turn into universes beyond?
golden plover
He's been on Stephen Crowder's podcast a couple times
golden plover
wait so same number of sets but half turn into universes beyond?
Yup
And Standard and Pioneer aren't safe from UB now
trail anvil
welp
last glen
Does this retroactively make UB sets Pioneer legal
golden plover
Does this retroactively make UB sets Pioneer legal
Only the new ones
This is not Daretti
What the fuck did they do to him
polar lake
what the fuck what did they do to daretti's legs
sudden lava
deathrace time
polar lake
wait when did he get desparked?
golden plover
polar lake
first Phyrexian war?
golden plover
Like that's not the same dude
golden plover
first Phyrexian war?
A bunch of walkers randomly got despakred
last glen
He got a mohawk
sudden lava
Ugin is back
polar lake
A bunch of walkers randomly got despakred
is that what happened to animatu?
golden plover
is that what happened to animatu?
Yup
golden plover
Bowmasters could've already been put in standard and never was gonna
This is just gonna ruin the game identity and sucks lmao
golden plover
It's becoming an IP crossover
sudden lava
dog vehicle getting some new toys
last glen
they've decided that the MTG brand does not sell
golden plover
Genuinely terrible decision
last glen
nah I gotta see if Weiss has any IPs I like
sudden lava
who wants to learn cardfight vanguard?
lusty trench
Twitter
last glen
hey guys what if we switched to yugioh
polar lake
hey guys what if we switched to yugioh
never again no
golden plover
God I really hope they walk back the UB standard/Pioneer legality thing
sleek ferry
hey guys what if we switched to yugioh
Terrible idea
polar lake
dont worry guys the shareholders knows whats best for the players
golden plover
they let the cat outta the bag
They could just go "actually backlash means we won't" but shareholder money comes first
I love how they were like "Foundations Era is going back to basics and exploring what makes magic great.... And crossover sets in all formats"
lusty trench
Twitter
golden plover
They knew that shit wasn't gonna fly too when they put the MSRP announcement right before it
last glen
unfortunately as someone who spent money on Arena basically only because of the Jurassic Park crossover
I am actually the problem
lusty trench
the edge of the blind eternities
Hello new eldrazi titans
golden plover
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849915119163277426?t=ty7OR5l486-Xop3ijBQSlw&...
What does that even mean?
last glen
science fantasy
golden plover
How do you sit outside the multiverse
last glen
starwars
two
but not really
lusty trench
Twitter
last glen
How do you sit outside the multiverse
just be outside it
more seriously, given how they define planes and stuff
I guess it makes sense
even if it's wack
last glen
poggers is that endless space
lusty trench
Twitter
trail anvil
They could just go "actually backlash means we won't" but shareholder money come...
I think everything depends on actual response to this, and not just reddit's response
lusty trench
HES GONNA BE A RESPECTABLE VILLAIN AGAIN??
last glen
no promises
golden plover
I think everything depends on actual response to this, and not just reddit's res...
It'll make enough money it'll stay a permanent decision tbh
Because UB sets sell for collectors who only care about the IP
trail anvil
I mean UB itself was very popular
golden plover
It's gonna suck tho
Also this shuts down the "If you dont wanna play with UB cards play standard or pioneer" defense for the game identity falling apart
sleek ferry
I mean like I said, I would have loved to have had Lotr in standard. And this also fixes my biggest issue with UB sets which was a long drought of leaving standard out to dry during the UB sets release, like standard legitly was so ass waiting for the new standard set to drop post lotr
trail anvil
lotr was still magic-adjacent
sudden lava
So final fantasy comes out about a month before my birthday, hmm
sleek ferry
FF is also magic adjacent
trail anvil
but is marvel
sleek ferry
I mean are we talking about the UB stuff that’s actually going to be turned into sets, or the secret lair stuff
Because idm the actual sets
The secret lair stuff is a whole other story
copper pecan
Twitter
last glen
another year of no dinosaur support
tragic
trail anvil
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaw4u2HaAAELQBo?format=jpg&name=large
I mean you can see Spider-Man on this timeline
sleek ferry
another year of no dinosaur support
tragic
You got a whole set dedicated to it brother
last glen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaw4u2HaAAELQBo?format=jpg&name=large
UUB
DBZ CROSSOVER CONFIRMED
GOKU IS COMING TO MAGIC
sudden lava
sleek ferry
Wait is Spider-Man just getting its own set?
sudden lava
yes Fuw
sleek ferry
Lmao, alright that one might be a bit much
golden plover
Yeah, and now you can't even avoid them in standard
trail anvil
like if these were just all magic adjacent universes I'm sure people would have no issue with it
lusty trench
I think if you showed this to a boomer magic player they'd have a heart attack
These arts are just force of will cards
last glen
finally
waifu mana dorks
polar lake
they also pushed back the lorwyn set
trail anvil
also new kaito?
last glen
this is what I've been waiting for
sleek ferry
These cards are fire
polar lake
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaw5inObcAA52PR?format=jpg&name=large
holy please let this be a evergreen alt frame
lusty trench
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaw523xbUAAw2as?format=jpg&name=large
The perspective on this is killing me
sudden lava
for Inistrad remastered
last glen
unironically might grab a full playset of those mana dorks
are those arts coming to arena?
copper pecan
Twitter
twilit canyon
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849916401437605930
the haters and doomers can finally shut up
sleek ferry
Facts Misty
last glen
explorer is dead
long live pioneer
sleek ferry
Tell the haters of UB in standard to go home
polar lake
explorer is dead
long live pioneer
pioneer is getting ub sets in 2025
every format is cooked now
last glen
I will pivot my opinion on UB in Pioneer as soon as an IP I like becomes pioneer legal
polar lake
i mean the only UB in Pio set i care about is Final Fantasy
sudden lava
https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1849918530197782862?t=-m2gcaM8Nmke3pHdQdzgHw&...
Wick to Spongebob and Gary: "Yes, our battle will be legendary"
last glen
okay but actually are those anime elves coming to Arena
lusty trench
I don't see why they wouldnt
sleek ferry
I will pivot my opinion on UB in Pioneer as soon as an IP I like becomes pioneer...
Jurassic park?
copper pecan
okay but actually are those anime elves coming to Arena
almost definitely. the duskmourn anime cards did so idk why these wouldn't
sleek ferry
There was duskmourn anime cards?
polar lake
yup
lusty trench
They're not really all anime style just done by Japanese artists
sleek ferry
Yeah that’s what I figured
lusty trench
sleek ferry
Bloomburrow had anime style
stark skiff
This is cool
lusty trench
https://x.com/FiredrinkrSatyr/status/1849919603410964907?t=9AtrmfUvGU3D524HP36o7Q&s=19 We're 2/6 now
Twitter
golden plover
I think the biggest issue I have with UB in standard/pioneer is there's nowhere to avoid it now
sleek ferry
Bright glass gearhulk is broken, it’s just in literally the worse color combination for modern
golden plover
In commander I can choose to not run them
But if I wanna play a competitive format, I've gotta play the broken UB cards
And I hate the idea of having to play cards for an IP I don't like because they're necessary for a deck
I don't care about them if they're optional, they make people happy
But it sucks to lose the formats where you can avoid them
They're killing the identity of the game for a quick buck
sleek ferry
Sounds like you just don’t want change tbh.
golden plover
I'm fine with change
I don't wanna be forced to play advertisements and IPs I don't like
sleek ferry
Well, lucky for you that in standard there’s usually 10+ viable decks at a time, so there’s a very high chance you’ll be able to find a deck that doesn’t play these cards
copper pecan
I'm fine with change
not gonna lie i don't think this is true. you react like this to almost every announcement wotc makes regardless of what it is
last glen
Cloud Strife?
fallow citrus
strife, cloud
glad peak
I don’t like this change because of the potential of even more modern horizons sets coming to modern even faster
But that was going to happen regardless now I guess 
sleek ferry
I don’t like this change because of the potential of even more modern horizons s...
This shouldn’t be a fear of the sets are standard/pioneer legal tbh
past socket
Explains why I’ve heard the term “Fortnite-ification” thrown around
sleek ferry
This means the power level of these isn’t going to be lotr level
glad peak
Hopefully not
sleek ferry
Also, man if we don’t get Zidane, Kuja and Vivi from ff9 in this set…
fallow citrus
no way we don't
glad peak
Nahhh only ff7
past socket
Thugs will go to HQ himself if he has to
sleek ferry
Also my boys Ramza and Delita from FFT pls
glad peak
And for the Italian release you give tifa the infamous art
fallow citrus
Nahhh only ff7 <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
I mean we already have ffxiv, ff10, ff13
sleek ferry
All I ask for is FF9 and FFT representation
sleek ferry
I mean we already have ffxiv, ff10, ff13
You forgot 6
fallow citrus
it's very clearly going to be a wide spread
fallow citrus
You forgot 6
I did
past socket
The collab course thing reminds I’ve defo gotta try a deck around some of the fallout cards
Love the art on those from what I’ve seen
sleek ferry
Fallout cards are cool. I think my favorite art they’ve done for these UB sets has been warhammer
fallow citrus
the chaos cards fit pretty well with the rest of mtg
past socket
The Necron art fucks hard
sleek ferry
I’m also liking how they’re doing the FF cards so far, it doesn’t feel too off base
(Next is Kingdom Hearts set)
Make Keyblade the next TOR
glad peak
Do we have the actual cards yet?
glad peak
Oh eh as long as it’s not miku level I’m fine with anything
sleek ferry
Sephiroth in his iconic “imma kill this bitch” pose is cool
glad peak
The way they play is what I’m more concerned about
golden plover
Also they moved lorwyn back a year to fit in this
sleek ferry
That’s fine tbh, we’re getting tarkir
Which lines up. We usually only go back to an old plane once a year
trail anvil
wait the spongebob UB was serious??
past socket
I have to legally play one as a Commander don’t I?
polar lake
maybe the ub sets being standard legal may mean theres hope that every set isnt going to have a commander deck attached to it ig
trail anvil
It’s a secret lair
okay at least as a secret lair that's fine
glad peak
Wait so to allow UB to being standard legal does that mean they’re going to be actual draft sets or just secret lairs UB?
trail anvil
jesus christ if they did a spongebob set
polar lake
prolly means they're going to be actual draft sets
sleek ferry
I’m assuming they meant the actual draft sets mud
polar lake
i hope
trail anvil
but even still kinda wondering who this is aimed at
sleek ferry
I mean, who was the ASS set aimed at
lusty trench
I would've thought that they'd do this for a charity thing
golden plover
Wait so to allow UB to being standard legal does that mean they’re going to be a...
Secret lairs won't be standard legal
sleek ferry
ASS surely has less than 1/10th of the fanbase spongebob has
lusty trench
Like the mlp stuff
glad peak
ASS was very clearly aimed at commander and flopped
trail anvil
I can see a venn diagram between console gamers and card gamers at least
golden plover
But anything that's a full draft set (50% of which will be UB going forward) will be standard legal
lusty trench
ASS was very clearly aimed at commander and flopped <:KEKW:622347587516628993>
"met our internal goals" apparently
So they knew it wouldn't sell much ig
glad peak
Pick any franchise with iconic characters and say they can be your commander and shove the rest of the IP into the game
sleek ferry
Tbf wasn’t ASS a replacement for aftermath sets after aftermath flopped?
glad peak
Next in line is kratos as an iconic character
sleek ferry
My boy Kratos would automatically be the strongest character in universe
glad peak
Tbh I don’t mind ASS very much since it had little to no impact
sleek ferry
Tbh I don’t mind ASS very much since it had little to no impact
It gave us better slicer for cedh
past socket
Like The Wise Mothman being ready for lömps and Rad counters
lusty trench
My boy Kratos would automatically be the strongest character in universe
listen I'm all for saying kratos is strong but we're literally getting a marvel set
glad peak
The deck that was already dying
Also isn’t slicer better since it comes down a turn early?
twilit canyon
It gave us better slicer for cedh
its worse
sleek ferry
It’s like very flip floppy from the people I’ve talked to. Post lotus ban it’s probably worse
glad peak
Yeah, I was gonna say even before the bans slicer is just better
twilit canyon
current consensus is that slicer was always better
post-bans slicer is even better
trail anvil
as misty pointed out double strike > trample
coming down a turn earlier is important too
past socket
hehe trample
lusty trench
So... Speculations on the final universes beyond set?
glad peak
Spiderman but again
lusty trench
golden plover
I mean the joke is there
lusty trench
We'll call it Spiderman... 2
twilit canyon
ub will never give us [[fear of change]] in paper so who cares
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glad peak
Maybe even a Peter Parker one
golden plover
So... Speculations on the final universes beyond set?
When they make a P5 set we know the game is dying
I mean, we're already going downhill from a creative standpoint
But the joke is "haha P5 crossover killed this"
lusty trench
past socket
The curse
golden plover
Hey maybe we'll get one that's bad enough they'll walk this decision back
That's my hope now
polar lake
isnt there a FF TCG?
sleek ferry
Yes
lusty trench
There is yeah but idk how good it's doing
golden plover
"Whoops guys Persona 5 Set super broke standard, no more UB sets in standard or pioneer"
twilit canyon
its not doing thats the thing
lusty trench
Me trying to find the link between FF and Spider-Man 
Last I checked it had a collectors market but that's bout it
past socket
To answer that, we’ll need to talk about parallel universes
twilit canyon
honestly though if u dont like ub's in magic, you should have been voting with your wallet against the many, many, many, people who either dont care, are happy about it, or actively want the ub's in standard/pioneer
aka it was a losing battle from the get-go
golden plover
I mean the thing was, there was no way to vote with your wallet, and I already wasn't buying anything for formats that weren't pioneer/proxies
copper pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/ydsk/21/fear-of-change
love this card
golden plover
There was no way for anyone to say "hey don't do this"
twilit canyon
cool then they didnt care about you or your opinions
lusty trench
That's what misty is saying pope
twilit canyon
you were not an important customer
lusty trench
There was no way of winning against them
polar lake
Super Smash Bros the Gathering
golden plover
It's like a monkey's paw, people wanted less straight to modern sets
So now they're straight to everywhere
steady onyx
why is it such bad?
it seems cool
u get cool fancy ub stuff in standard
brings more players to standard /pipneer
that like the UV
twilit canyon
i personally dont care
golden plover
The issue is there's no format to avoid playing them now
steady onyx
i think this is a good change ngl
twilit canyon
but some ppl are very unhappy that magic crosses over. at all.
golden plover
That's my biggest thing.
lusty trench
People who grew up on the magic IP alone are unhappy with its lore and cohesion being split
twilit canyon
cus there was a big love for the magic ip baseline
subtle sierra
I don't really want to play spongebob in my standard deck, but i might have to if he's broken
twilit canyon
a sentiment that has largely died anyways
golden plover
I'm in the same boat
polar lake
It's like a monkey's paw, people wanted less straight to modern sets
i basically monkey pawed myself, i wanted pio to be big and standard to be big like it once was... my wish was granted but at what cost
lusty trench
Me personally I don't mind too much cause like I play weiss
sudden lava
Do we have the actual cards yet?
we know what one of the cards does
golden plover
If something stupid from real housewives breaks standard I've gotta play real housewives cards
sudden lava
cuz reprint
lusty trench
But if I sit across from a player running SpongeBob jellyfishing aggro I might start questioning what I'm doing
copper pecan
imo the people complaining about ub have been way more annoying to me than playing against ub cards has been
polar lake
ngl if the UB sets were treated like core sets rather than full on might power creep sets, i would've been fine
sudden lava
copper pecan
and i'm saying this as someone who hates marvel
sudden lava
[together forever]
polar lake
also it would make sense core sets are for new playerd
golden plover
I'm fine playing against UB cards in formats like commander
sudden lava
[[together forever]]
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steady onyx
imo the people complaining about ub have been way more annoying to me than playi...
^ this is what it seems like to be
me
personally UB stuff brought me into magic