"no you should warn me in advance so i can rip off people who don't know about the article" - some people for some reason
#Magic the Gathering
copper pecan
golden plover
But if I go to a table at an LGS and go "can we all cut our sol rings" it's gonna be hard to make that argument
But if someone goes "Hey can I play my Rainbow Dash deck with Oracle of the Alpha" it's a lot more likely to be a "sure"
lusty trench
My friend has a Disney world deck that uses all the unfinity mechanics with some acorn cards
No one cares when they use it lmao
rigid scarab
Trinket Mage is quickly becoming one of my most watched EDH channels purely because he says some things I very much disagree with
stark skiff
Wow @atomic harness got plowed
rigid scarab
Sometimes he says stuff I agree with
sleek ferry
"no you should warn me in advance so i can rip off people who don't know about t...
This is an extreme take on it, but we act as if in Yugioh for example people don’t know when to sell their cards for max value. Taking two prominent people from this server as examples, half has stated they made thousands off selling decks at their peak price, and Lamb is another one that easily makes his money back off Yugioh cards
Are we going to shit on either of them for that?
rigid scarab
Sometimes he defaults to "play more removal" on more nuanced topics
lusty trench
Are we going to shit on either of them for that?
No cause they're not whining like babies about it
lusty trench
Game has a banlist and one that was update prior to it's inception
That's all the expectations one should need
twilit canyon
nothing has stopped ppl from playing their crypts and docksides in canlander
twilit canyon
card value is absolutely never a thing that stops bans
imagine if a card got too expensive to ban?
sleek ferry
Yeah like I said, you’re way too dense for this convo if you can’t see both sides of it
lusty trench
Yeah like I said, you’re way too dense for this convo if you can’t see both side...
Ad hominem
golden plover
Also Mana Crypt is still like $70
twilit canyon
i see the other side. i think its extremely dumb
stark skiff
I’m on the same side that the RC did nothing wrong and everyone is just parroting now cause of the backlash.
rigid scarab
I don't care they could be hypothetically worth money if you sold them
But if a man lost literal thousands to an extremely sudden banlist change
golden plover
rigid scarab
I think I have a right to at least be upset
golden plover
I can still sell them rn
lusty trench
Yeah you can be upset
golden plover
And still make a decent bit
lusty trench
But like
You're stupid for having spent that much when you know it'd have effected you had it of happened
It's a god damn game
golden plover
stark skiff
But if a man lost literal thousands to an extremely sudden banlist change
Welcome to stocks 101
golden plover
Dockside is less so but it's not like he's pennies
lusty trench
Dockside dropped by less than half here
golden plover
lusty trench
Same for lotus
rigid scarab
You're stupid for having spent that much when you know it'd have effected you ha...
Well people had the impression that the banlist was stagnating
twilit canyon
ultimately, yes, if you are treating this like an investment, you should know its an extremely unsafe market
rigid scarab
As well Crypt and Lotus had no warning whatsoever. No watchlist or anything
lusty trench
Well people had the impression that the banlist was stagnating
Then they're still stupid for investing money in the singles market for a game
twilit canyon
As well Crypt and Lotus had no warning whatsoever. No watchlist or anything
the rc had said they wanted it gone day 1
golden plover
Mana Crypt is also still a popular cube card
rigid scarab
It also may not even be particularly a finance bro
twilit canyon
but wotc said "dont"
rigid scarab
What if it was just a guy who owned multiple lotuses
golden plover
I do feel bad for the people who got festival in a box tho
Well I was happy opening MB2
lusty trench
It also may not even be particularly a finance bro
then they shouldnt've spent money on a game/kept money in the game if they knew it would affect them if anything happened to them
golden plover
But if you didn't care for it, Ixalan's selling point was the mana crypt
twilit canyon
if u own multiple of a +hundred dollar card, u arent affected at all. if u are, u shouldnt have been in that spot at all
lusty trench
But if you didn't care for it, Ixalan's selling point was the mana crypt
Even then it's still not like it's suddenly a dud hit
golden plover
Didn't Caster lose like $1k off the bans?
sleek ferry
Most LGS’ operate at a loss and only stay open for the sake of their communities and loss thousands of dollars in an already failing business
rigid scarab
*then they shouldnt've spent money on a game/kept money in the game if they knew...
When I say owned
twilit canyon
Didn't Caster lose like $1k off the bans?
closer to 6
rigid scarab
I meant they have them in decks
twilit canyon
she doesnt care
twilit canyon
i've seen her ruin a volcanic island for fun
rigid scarab
LGS' also lose a fair lot yeah
lusty trench
I meant they have them in decks
Why are they using money they need/would miss to put cards into a deck for a game
golden plover
I only lost $160 but I'm not phased by it
twilit canyon
if she wants to burn money and make magic players sad she has before
sleek ferry
Using Misty and Marisol as examples ain’t flying with me, they’re well off
rigid scarab
I only lost $160 but I'm not phased by it
Well good for you but unfortunately some people are
sleek ferry
Random person living in the Philippines is most likely not well off
golden plover
Most LGS’ operate at a loss and only stay open for the sake of their communities...
No LGS was gonna survive based on just mana crypts and docksides
twilit canyon
Using Misty and Marisol as examples ain’t flying with me, they’re well off
if u arent well off why tf are u playing a stupid investment market game with magic
lusty trench
Well good for you but unfortunately some people are
then they should've sold their apple before it went bad
golden plover
Using Misty and Marisol as examples ain’t flying with me, they’re well off
Which is also why I mentioned I lost my $160 on it
lusty trench
You can't hold onto it forever and pretend it won't some day lose value
Nothing works like that
golden plover
$160 for me isn't backbreaking, but it's not like a cheap loss lol
lusty trench
the dollar isn't that stable
stark skiff
if u arent well off why tf are u playing a stupid investment market game with ma...
lol we keep getting hit with “what about a guy who had 20 lotuses” “what if that guy wasn’t well off”
lusty trench
brb gonna activate my precognition to see when crypt is gonna be banned
LISTEN TO WHAT IM SAYING, IM SAYING IF YOU GOT THE CARD AND DIDNT MOVE TO SELL IT DAY ONE, YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS
golden plover
lol we keep getting hit with “what about a guy who had 20 lotuses” “what if that...
What about the guy who's entire mortage was paid in lotuses but he has no other assets
He's gonna have his house reclaimed
twilit canyon
if u were in a spot to say "if these cards lose value i will be in real financial trouble" you dont need to be concerned about the bans u need to be concerned about your gambling addiction
golden plover
if u were in a spot to say "if these cards lose value i will be in real financia...
100% this
If losing these cards moves you from financially stable to anywhere else, you've got MUCH bigger problems
lusty trench
ITS AN APPLE THAT CAN SPOIL WITHOUT WARNING AT ANY MOMENT
twilit canyon
if this is just a minor inconvenience its like yeah sure annoying
lusty trench
SELL IT IF YOU NEED IT
stark skiff
if u were in a spot to say "if these cards lose value i will be in real financia...
But I follow all the market watches! 
twilit canyon
in my case i was never selling
lusty trench
Jesus christ
golden plover
Like I said, I was bummed I lost the price of like 2 switch games, but I wasn't gonna sell my dockside or crypt anyways
golden plover
And I've got friends who opened a lotus or crypt in their MB2 packs and it sucks to lose out on the chase pull
But it happens
lusty trench
If you can't play with that fire then don't
rigid scarab
Literally my point is that being upset was justified
golden plover
Being annoyed is fine
lusty trench
Literally my point is that being upset was justified
You're allowed to be sad
golden plover
But acting like the RC did anything wrong is different
They can't just not ban cards because they're expensive
Because then the people who own them are at an advantage
lusty trench
But you're not allowed to whine and bitch about it like it's anyone but your own fault for keeping money in a game you can't afford to
sleek ferry
Like it’s so stupid to look at this as just “the bannings were correct therefore what are we arguing” WHEN NOBODY IS ARGUING THAT. Most of the drama is around how the RC handled the bans despite being warned by multiple people, and then not using the resources they had available to them to make said decisions
golden plover
They did use their resources tho
sleek ferry
They didn’t
golden plover
They just didn't use them to the way people expected
lusty trench
Like it’s so stupid to look at this as just “the bannings were correct therefore...
Let's extend that thinking
Why are people mad?
Because they lost "money"
golden plover
They could have told the Adivsory Comittee more ig
twilit canyon
pause because ultimately no matter how they handled it, the rc members and cag members had their lives threatened and doxxed over this
golden plover
But like they told wotc beforehand, they discussed it in the past
rigid scarab
The question is not "Are the people right to whine and bitch"
The question is "Could the RC have done anything better"
twilit canyon
at this point no other argument matters
golden plover
pause because ultimately no matter how they handled it, the rc members and cag m...
Yeah that too
There's no reason to fucking doxx and send death threats over cardboard
twilit canyon
bc of this action, it warrants that no matter how the rc did this, the community reaction would have been extremely ugly
lusty trench
Personally I would've expected it because I know how glue sniffing this community can be but like... It's not like just because you can anticipate it makes it right
sleek ferry
How can you say they used their resources when the CAG wasn’t even advised on it. When wizards literally told them not to approach it that way, and if you want to argue that it shouldn’t matter because the RC’s lives were threatened, the CAG literally had 0 time to prepare themselves for the threats they got
rigid scarab
If someone didn't look both ways before crossing and got hit by a drunk driver, yes the drunk driver was idiotic for driving drunk, but also the pedestrain should have looked both ways
lusty trench
How can you say they used their resources when the CAG wasn’t even advised on it...
The cag were literally asked over and over their thoughts on fast mana on the format
And they went "it's bad"
What else do they think that was refering to?
twilit canyon
response: is it ever in any reasonable capacity okay to dox and send death threats over a card game?
sleek ferry
They did a lot wrong. I pity both, but I pity the CAG way more for the RC’s actions
golden plover
I think a big thing to consider is that the CAG weren't advised EXPLICITLY on this decision
rigid scarab
What else do they think that was refering to?
Did they get "Hey. We're thinking about banning these four cards. What do you think?"
golden plover
That's VERY different than it literally never coming up
rigid scarab
Instead of this nebulous "Thoughts on fast mana"
golden plover
They talked with the CAG about fast mana prior
And they've mentioned these specific cards prior
rigid scarab
It could just as likely have been Crypt as it was Mox Diamond
lusty trench
Did they get "Hey. We're thinking about banning these four cards. What do you th...
That leads to concerns of insider trading
lusty trench
It could just as likely have been Crypt as it was Mox Diamond
AND PEOPLE STILL WOULDVE BEEN UPSET IF IT WAS MOX DIAMONd
sleek ferry
That's VERY different than it literally never coming up
JLK literally told us it never came up. To quote him even, he said “there was 0 indication of it”
rigid scarab
And that's the problem of not trusting literal figureheads of the community
golden plover
The RC doesn't have to say "Hey btw this is exactly what we're banning" because they probably don't want the CAG and all their friends to sell all their copies a bit before the ban
lusty trench
And that's the problem of not trusting literal figureheads of the community
That's not the issue
rigid scarab
AND PEOPLE STILL WOULDVE BEEN UPSET IF IT WAS MOX DIAMONd
My point is that saying "Thoughts on fast mana" isn't enough communication between RC and CAG
lusty trench
The issue is that the community doesn't trust anyone
twilit canyon
JLK literally told us it never came up. To quote him even, he said “there was 0 ...
kyle hill told us that "yeah, we knew it was coming and avoided doing any insider trading"
golden plover
JLK literally told us it never came up. To quote him even, he said “there was 0 ...
The CAG has mentioned fast mana coming up plenty of times prior
golden plover
They probably just didn't specify the EXACT cards
lusty trench
They don't trust the committe
So what fucking difference does it make when accusations threats and doxxing would fly regardless of the truth
rigid scarab
They probably just didn't specify the EXACT cards
I think not telling them on the basis of fears of insider trading is extremely silly
lusty trench
Olivia is the key god damn example
golden plover
I think not telling them on the basis of fears of insider trading is extremely s...
Oh I don't fully disagree
lusty trench
I think not telling them on the basis of fears of insider trading is extremely s...
People are already accusing the committee of insider trading this list
golden plover
But I also get them not going "hey btw these are the exact cards we're banning"
twilit canyon
there was no winning regardless
any argument about it is mostly pointless bc hindsight is 20/20
lusty trench
Olivia literally picked the side of the angry people and got thrown to the wolves for it regardless of the truth
rigid scarab
They weren't winning but there were definitely ways to "not win" less
A broken arm is much better than an amputated one
lusty trench
They weren't winning but there were definitely ways to "not win" less
But in doing so you prove you need to coddle your playbase
Which is shameful behaviour
rigid scarab
You are the most popular format of one of the most popular TCGs
twilit canyon
i think its reasonable to not expect the community to react the way they did
rigid scarab
More communication is not coddling
sleek ferry
Also, if Nadu wasn’t such an obvious ban target, does the RC even make any bans? Because I honestly highly doubt it.
twilit canyon
more or less communication doesnt matter here is my point
lusty trench
Also, if Nadu wasn’t such an obvious ban target, does the RC even make *any* ban...
That's... A take
twilit canyon
my point is that the fact they got death threats is unacceptable baseline
lusty trench
I think I'm gonna check out here because noone here is budging
We aren't changing anyones minds here
rigid scarab
There was no way of stopping a burst of threats, but I think there were ways of preventing an explosion
lusty trench
We aren't arguing in good faith
twilit canyon
There was no way of stopping a burst of threats, but I think there were ways of ...
i highly doubt it
sleek ferry
There definitely was
lusty trench
Again these people are unreasonable to begin with
sleek ferry
But those ways would literally have to have been fixed years back
lusty trench
You cannot hindsight a solution for unreasonable people
sleek ferry
Not in the moment
golden plover
There's no justification to doxx and send death threats over a card game
rigid scarab
There's no justification to doxx and send death threats over a card game
That was never the point
twilit canyon
But those ways would literally have to have been fixed years back
thats with hindsight
lusty trench
Anyway I'm out, enjoy whatever this is I got a birthday to enjoy
golden plover
Happy Birthday
twilit canyon
though this is also assuming the community dont just still act out the way they did anyways to even 1 of these bans
lusty trench
Happy Birthday
ty
sleek ferry
Anyways, I highly recommend watching the command zone podcast, since they’re people that actually talked to people in the know. They gave a lot of info that wasn’t known
sleek ferry
Anyway I'm out, enjoy whatever this is I got a birthday to enjoy
Happy birthday, sorry if I came off a certain way
lusty trench
Nah it's cool I can get heated too sometimes I don't take things said in arguments seriously
Ty
twilit canyon
same (i dont like you) /jk
lusty trench
Ty both of you
rigid scarab
same (i dont like you) /jk
Who's this directed at
(for reals tho Ty)
twilit canyon
Who's this directed at
everyone its a joke
rigid scarab
aw
rigid scarab
ew
sleek ferry
iw
rigid scarab
No Im not finishing this
twilit canyon
uw
rigid scarab
Blue White Tap?
lusty trench
(next letters an e)
lusty trench
UW Te
fallow citrus
teferi?
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fallow citrus
my other guess would have been tron
sleek ferry
Mono Blue Tron?! The famous Yugituber?!
zinc shard
Has anyone ever tried a EDH format where you're only allowed to play creatures with the same color identity AND creature types as your commander?
glad peak
I don’t think so but that sounds very much like the yugioh equivalent some people tried to make
trail anvil
so you're just playing tribal decks or low creature count decks?
also what if you have a planeswalker as commander
zinc shard
Probably would assign creature types to those cards.
Like Ajani would be a cat (and probably Warrior)
trail anvil
time to make the argument that my mage planeswalker just happens to be a wizard, warlock and shaman 
gritty nest
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LzjNcdWvREeD3Y5NBqFy0w What do you guys think I could cut for [[Reluctant Role Model]]?
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urban crane
anyone have a good tenth doctor and rose tyler deck wanne try upgrading the precon
golden plover
I hate when people are shitty about losing and rage/run their timer out
Come on man, you lose either way, just take the 27
golden plover
No shot any of it gets in standard
You'll probably get:
-Shock
-Negate
-Llanowar Elves
-Murder
-Stroke of Midnight
-Memory Deluge
-Maybe? Probably not
-Some shitty goblin lord
And whatever else
sleek ferry
I mean the guy made a good point, standard should be an intro to mtg, and excluding iconic cards from the game shouldn’t be a thing
golden plover
The thing is these are all way too strong for standard
sleek ferry
Also, the standard power level has been up there for the last year +
golden plover
Shock and Negate are iconic "fixed" counterspell and bolt
Bolt is NEVER seeing standard again
Counterspell is very likely not either
sleek ferry
Bolt I agree with never putting in, due to the game design implications
But everything else is fair game
golden plover
Absolutely not
Remember anything added there goes to pioneer too
They want all the formats to feel different too
sleek ferry
Bloodbraid elf in pioneer would be sick
golden plover
They're not gonna print cascade into pioneer
They already had "fixed" cascade and still had to ban a card
golden plover
Of these, I could MAYBE see Doom Blade, Fact or Fiction, Specter being new to pioneer
Impulse is fine, it's currently in standard
Siege Gang, Baneslayer, and Cultivate are in pioneer too
sleek ferry
Why not wild nacatl? We have way better 1 drops
golden plover
Wild Nacatl is a hard maybe
It's probably too good for standard
Anything banned in modern is not happening
So Ponder is off the table
glad peak
Brainstorm
golden plover
Sucks to suck ig
They threw g2 by trying to torch the tower my Ygra (at 2 toughness) and not realizing he'd get +2 from them saccing the token
stark skiff
twilit canyon
But everything else is fair game
counterspell is not coming to standard either if it does i'd be shocked
trail anvil
with the token overlord?
lusty trench
...is path to exile really fair game for standard?
trail anvil
I wouldn't say so at all lol
lusty trench
I was about to say cause it was in the list and no one mentioned it
trail anvil
that's a lot with that list
twilit canyon
bop is not happening when we know llanowar is. neither is ponder.
lusty trench
Imagine bolt the bop being a thing again in standard
trail anvil
bop feels weird to me when we got goose in eldraine and that was already great
even if it did have food synergies
golden plover
The goose is a lot slower
It's 1 per 2 mana
And comes with 1 free
The goose is, imo, one of the safest dorks to put into standard
The other being [[Paradise Druid]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
Paradise Druid has hexproof as long as it's untapped. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
: Add one mana of any color.
"There are many kinds of duty, and mine is to see our world grow and endure."
2/1
golden plover
Honestly I feel like llanowar in foundations should've been paradise druid
She's very strong for a dork, but 1 mana dorks shape their standard hard
trail anvil
I feel like last time it was around it boosted monogreen at least which is nice
sleek ferry
There’s no better time to put 1 mana dorks into standard than now imo
Green is absolute dog shit
And has been for the better part of 2+ years
trail anvil
green on its own
sleek ferry
Even green splashed
twilit canyon
golgari is shaping to be deck to beat in worlds
golden plover
The thing is that foundations is in standard for 5+ years
trail anvil
how do you think it should be built? I've been thinking regular build with black overlord
twilit canyon
why get cute? just add black overlord
golden plover
If they put something that's format warping like llanowar or Omniscience in it and it becomes too good, it becomes a problem for a LOT longer than if it was in a regular set
sleek ferry
Domain just abuses up the beanstalk, golgari is value city with cards that can only be played in specifically golgari (or abzan, but abzan isn’t even a repped deck in the format), and gruul is just red playing questing druid and other utility for safer kills
golden plover
They probably don't wanna ban a card from foundations
So imo, they should play it a little safer
twilit canyon
golgari is a combo deck ultimately but u cant say "green has been total dogshit" when it has a meta deck with actual green cards
gruul is fake green as is domain but golgari actually plays green
trail anvil
the infamous one turn kill combo has a green card from last set lol
golden plover
Isn't that Innkeeper's deck green too?
twilit canyon
thats golgari yes
sleek ferry
Oh we’re talking about the instant kill golgari deck mb, I was thinking of the value one
Yeah I completely forgot about innkeepers existing
golden plover
There's both in standard iirc
trail anvil
that one has freestrider lookout
sleek ferry
Both play moss knight no?
trail anvil
I'd also say nissa is just a super solid sideboard card
sleek ferry
You max out on mossknight and preacher on both iirc
trail anvil
don't you cut back on preacher now with how removal heavy the format is
stg this card comes down and it's a throat magnet
sleek ferry
I mean, idk how you guys view it, but I view any card that demands removal (and isn’t a key part of any said combo) as a positive
golden plover
I don't play enough standard to know, but goldfish lists "Golgari Midrange" and "Innkeeper's Talent" as 2 separate decks
sleek ferry
I want my opponents to waste all their answers
twilit canyon
theres no pure value golgari
theres no reason not to play the combo
2 mana to pump your creatures, 1 more to give them ward 1, 4 more to later win the game immediately all while making your sticky threats even harder to kill
sleek ferry
Btw Misty, anything you would change here
sleek ferry
Hmm as in 4?
golden plover
[[Kembha, Kha Enduring]]
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Legendary Creature — Cat Cleric
Whenever Kemba, Kha Enduring or another Cat you control enters, attach up to one target Equipment you control to that creature.
Equipped creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Create a 2/2 white Cat creature token.
2/2
golden plover
What's the point of kemba as a 1 off?
twilit canyon
you should play heartfire hero too
golden plover
I get she's sometimes a lord, but she seems like she's not doing enough here
sleek ferry
Usually eats removal, and if it sticks it can snowball a game
golden plover
And Mabel is already a mouse lord if you add heartfires
Or speaking of decks, with some testing of Jund Vore, the Say its Name Package feels correct
Sure it's more graveyard reliance but it sets you up faster and it sometimes gets you a t4 Altanak into t5 Ygra
twilit canyon
with say its name u can cut down to 2 ygra
golden plover
I'm thinking about it, but I'm not sure what I'd wanna run in the slot
twilit canyon
3rd harvester
golden plover
True
twilit canyon
removal + threat. its good
golden plover
I'm also thinking 4th scav
twilit canyon
nah
golden plover
Sometimes only running the 3 comes up
twilit canyon
honestly could go to 2
golden plover
Say it's Name can't grab Scav tho
fallow citrus
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golden plover
And Talent is a wincon
twilit canyon
it sucks to suck /s
golden plover
But yeah, Say it's Name is VERY fun here
And good for getting a milled mayhem devil back or whatever
The only downside to the Say Its Name Package is that it gets Say the Name by clipping stuck in my head
Literally a song about Candyman where the hook goes "Say the Name, Say the Name, Say it"
Fun detail: The beat changes to reference the Candyman beat on the fifth "Say the name" (Candyman is 5 times)
sleek ferry
Man, this deck feels so much better than it did last standard
Idk if it’s because of chainsaw
But it genuinely actually feels like a real deck
Which it didn’t during blb
sleek ferry
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trail anvil
it's funny to me to see enigmatic incarnation again
the things a good enchantment set will do
last glen
[[Paradise Druid]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
Paradise Druid has hexproof as long as it's untapped. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
: Add one mana of any color.
"There are many kinds of duty, and mine is to see our world grow and endure."
2/1
gritty nest
anyone have a good tenth doctor and rose tyler deck wanne try upgrading the prec...
I have a list of stuff I was planning on adding to mine
golden plover
I think Paradise Druid and [[Adanto Vanguard]] are cards I'd love always being in standard
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golden plover
Adanto is one of my favorite cards
rigid scarab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51o5tSy1C70&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege
16:30 Prof got doxxed and received phone calls that threatened his family, and says what the RC experienced was "hundred-fold"
He fully believes WOTC takeover was not orchestrated
gritty nest
To an extent it probably was
But I’m more like “it happened, unfortunately, regardless of what events lead to it, it happened.”
rigid scarab
To an extent it probably was
The most it could be imo was "Hey here's a possiblity"
Then the community sent death threats
"Alright we should probably do this now"
stark skiff
sudden lava
:/
ornate cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51o5tSy1C70&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege
...
Anyone who would threaten the Prof is a real piece of shit
That’s like threatening Paul of Team APS. They’re both just wholesome fans of their respective games
That said I’m going to be playing commander tomorrow at my LGS, my first one since the bannings! Hopefully people aren’t dickheads about it
I doubt they will be, people tend to be bigger assholes when anonymous than in real life
glad peak
Idk ive had some bad experiences
Like one guy who wanted to fight after I told him I wouldn’t cast a board wipe spell while pointing to a nev’s disk already on my field tapped and then got mad when I blew up the board after he dumped his hand including a rec sage that killed a mana rock
sleek ferry
Is this real or an alter?
copper pecan
real
twilit canyon
glad peak
Sooo cedh tournament coming up around me, debating between talion, rogsi, Magda, tnt, or sisay
No idea what the field is going to be
Haven’t had practice with sisay after the bans so probably not that one
lusty trench
Talion is they them btw
golden plover
Speaking of the faeries, it's funny how different Kellan looks on every card
Literally none of these are the same guy
lusty trench
Bro aged 30 years since wilds
trail anvil
Talion is they them btw
o mb
golden plover
There is an in-universe small gap between wilds and OTJ
But it's like 5 months lol
lusty trench
Being fatherless ages you that bad huh
trail anvil
kellan looks the same to me, just with different outfits
golden plover
How did Kellan go from like 18 to 35 in 5 months
The faces and hairstyles are entirely different too
lusty trench
Honestly he looks like 15 in the first art
golden plover
I also like how he learned how to fly for MKM then immediately forgot it in OTJ
This Kellan is a different guy also
I can see Eldraine and Ixalan Kellan bring the same guy
But the rest all look too different
glad peak
Talion is hurt by the bans but can still manage
last glen
Will the foundations cards be pioneer legal
last glen
Are there going to be any new cards in the set
or all reprints from older sets
golden plover
There's new cards too
last glen
hmm
perhaps there will be dinosaur support
(there will not be)
trail anvil
ah first time huh? lol
urban crane
Yeah
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twilit canyon
this deck was so bad against t3 vein ripper
i wonder if we can kill it again by playing a kona deck
fallow citrus
[[vein ripper]]
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fallow citrus
yeah makes sense
atomic harness
Hypnotic specter is washed enough right
you kids can have it in standard you'd be dead before you can cast it
or uh it eats a removal
atomic harness
https://x.com/Mengu09/status/1842325802781937798?t=z2t1ZZGc87rPd0wCT1kz1A&s=19
Jund... Holy
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
i like legenvd bc he somehow manages to make what amounts to prototype versions of solid/good decks
but yea
this list itself
isnt good
atomic harness
any like quick ideas to fix it
twilit canyon
he somehow has missed [[collector's vault]] lmao
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Beluna makes a habit of "liberating" valuables from the world below, from priceless artifacts to historic buildings.
atomic harness
Real
twilit canyon
and atraxa
anyways reanimate is decent but standard has really good grave hate so
its not taking off
atomic harness
nod
uhh why do ppl play solo rdw if gruul is better? Or is it just bc its cheaper to make in arenuh
twilit canyon
cheaper yes
even boros is better
but then again if u are jamming bo1 red, u probs dont care about optimizing anyways
atomic harness
Real
twilit canyon
nor are u good enough to have enough wc's for a better deck
atomic harness
The annoint removal spell is kinda cool
stops the dies trigger from burning you for 10 zillion
How does azorius (the goat) usually stabilize early against gruul/boros is it elspeth smite and pray ?
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twilit canyon
gruul can only hope to keep drawing enough creatures + spell combos
atomic harness
Goated
what does a list look like rn
is it similar to what Mr Dario was doing looping a counterspell or was that just his own brew
lusty trench
When the temporary lockdown lasts the entire game (they did not draw the out) ((this is just like real life))
twilit canyon
is it similar to what Mr Dario was doing looping a counterspell or was that just...
his own brew really
standard control is on 4 beza
2-3 sometims 4 overlords
3-4 smites
2-3 three steps ahead
4 deduce
4 split up now too
and/or lockdowns
2 seasons
4 cakes
4 talents
it takes skill to lose vs rdw with a list like this
some configs go deep
and run lay down arms
and spellgyre
others are on a planeswalker or 2
like elspeth/jace/teferi
twilit canyon
that said
there are 2 new popular blue/white lists
tempo and enchantress
tempo is easy
it plays cheap spells and then combos out abhorrent oculus
enchantress is enchantress
gritty nest
No kellan in a hot while?
zinc shard
Kellan looked at Duskbourne and went "naw, I'm good"
sleek ferry
Shocked by black being my favorite color tbh
But considering I went hard on lizards during early blb
I guess it makes sense
stark skiff
im probably tired but how does Skybind work with Niko Light of Hope if i decide to blink him and he creates 2 more shards
fallow citrus
[[niko light of hope]] [[skybind]]
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When Niko, Light of Hope enters, create two Shard tokens. (They're enchantments with ", Sacrifice this enchantment: Scry 1, then draw a card.")
, : Exile target nonlegendary creature you control. Shards you control become copies of it until the beginning of the next end step. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
3/4
fallow citrus
so are you playing skybind or your opponent
to my understanding if you control skybind and blink niko you get to exile 2 more permanents because you get 2 shards
stark skiff
Yeah i own both Niko and Skybind
so on cast I would pick Niko, he comes back and makes 2 on end step, can I pick Niko again and would he come back again or until my opponents end step?
and i forgot about the 2 permanents I'm guessing I couldnt just pick Niko only?
ornate cedar
Today I’m going to casual EDH for the first time since the bans and I feel nervous that people may fly off the handle if the topic comes up. Is this anxiety founded or can I relax?
I’m probably just catastrophizing, I have some social anxiety
golden plover
Elsha feels more or less the same without the banned cards. Got to play her last night and she seemed a little slower, but everyone was so it's fine
ornate cedar
That’s comforting, thank you
I’ll journal some too as that’s my best coping mechanism for anxiety
golden plover
Today I’m going to casual EDH for the first time since the bans and I feel nervo...
I think a lot of people in real life probably won't care btw
There might be some people who are a lot annoyed
But it's not gonna be a shit show of people angry
golden plover
No problem. I think the assholes about it are a lot more vocal online
ornate cedar
That would make sense. Anonymity makes cowards brave
glad peak
I know some people who are annoyed but nothing too bad
A lot of people hold the same opinion as me: it was about time this happened
golden plover
I love watching the opponent waste a Dovin's Veto on [[Chandra Awakened Inferno]]
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golden plover
Oop
ornate cedar
Today I learned about blood moon lol
twilit canyon
ornate cedar
And then I misread that as basic lands are mountains lol so I sat there for two turns not playing any of the basic lands I have lol
But now I know to keep most of my lands basic except for fetch lands
Well no
I shouldn’t necessarily nerf my deck because of one potential card, but I should keep in mind how many basics and nonbasics I have. I may cut lands that provide colorless or colored mana for basic lands though
twilit canyon
actually plenty of ppl pack the appropriate amount of basics
to cast their spells through blood moon
ornate cedar
Ok so I was on the right line of thinking there
And artifacts and skills that mana ramp will help too. Thankfully green has plenty of mana ramp
twilit canyon
mhm
glad peak
Tbh it seems pretty good in the current format
Probably going to retool my 2c red decks to have a lot of non-red basics + blood moon
ornate cedar
If I were running a red deck I would include it
I think I’m gonna keep retooling my Squirrel deck, and also work on rebuilding the Zimone deck I got recently. That one won’t be done until my Abhorrent Oculus comes in the mail though
I’m glad I added those removal spells from Duskmourn since I didn’t have a lot from just BLB
fallow citrus
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golden plover
I should just steal Jim Davis' list lol
golden plover
It looks fun as hell
trail anvil
man this looks way less vulnerable to graveyard hate compared to the standard build
also consider actually being in the format sounds big
golden plover
Yeah this looks really fun. Imma have to try it
trail anvil
dang how's flytrap doin it for ya?
trail anvil
wow that's mostly paper cards in the main board too
trail anvil
was also surprised to see patchwork beastie in here
trail anvil
[[patchwork beastie]]
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trail anvil
ig was used to people underrating this
twilit canyon
8 artifacts, 8 enchantments, 10 instants, 6 sorceries, 22 creatures and 20 lands with 4 of them dying and 2 of them surveiling
this is very consistent at enabling delirium
copper pecan
i always misread patchwork beastie as patchwork bestie
copper pecan
so true beastie
trail anvil
patchwork bestie was that poor girl who was shoved aside in that black eerie/survival creature art
[[popular egotist]]
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, Sacrifice another creature or enchantment: Popular Egotist gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
"I know you'd want me to live, bestie!"
3/2
trail anvil
I was wrong on both counts
twilit canyon
i dont blame u the card is somewhat whelming in rb
trail anvil
what I remember it for most is how everyone talked about the flavor text saying bestie
and everyone looking forward to her death on another card, did that ever come btw?
stark skiff
Doubt it. The Beasties are like monster pets that hide their faces so humans accept them as friends
glad peak
They sure are besties
stark skiff
They put on a bunch of stuff that’s normal to humans (sofas masks etc) so humans aren’t scared of them lol
copper pecan
and everyone looking forward to her death on another card, did that ever come bt...
i don't think she appears on any other cards
i'm sure it'll happen if we ever go back to duskmourn though
stark skiff
i'm sure it'll happen if we ever go back to duskmourn though
Niv war on Duskmorn lfg
copper pecan
valgavoth vs jason
lusty trench
We talking Jason voorhees? Just imagining Jason stabbing random floorboards and valgavoth is like "for fucks sake I just had that room made!"
stark skiff
Todays foil pick ups @sleek ferry @atomic harness
ornate cedar
Today I learned about Winter moon after looking through my collection and now I want to include it but I’m not sure if it’s a casual card or not
Actually, I don’t think I’ll run it, it requires people to run nonbasic lands, and if blood moon is popular enough to be considered when people deck build, I figure that winter moon will also fall under that umbrella
At least not in my squirrel deck. Maybe in a different one, but in that one I want to focus on food and squirrel token generation, life gain, and ramp.
Plus removal of course
lusty trench
Actually, I don’t think I’ll run it, it requires people to run nonbasic lands, a...
It requires people to run basics you mean
ornate cedar
Yes
lusty trench
Id generally try to keep away from the moons during casual
lusty trench
It falls under the level of stax where it can just shut people out of the game
ornate cedar
I’ve heard of Stax a lot but I don’t know what it is
sleek ferry
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ornate cedar
Outside of it being an engine
lusty trench
Stax was originally a deck made in order to counter the meta, originally called $T4KS
Or the 4 thousand dollar solution
As the name implies it was very expensive
And smokestacks was the original stacks card the name references
ornate cedar
I see, they were just expensive and good, and I imagine they weren’t played much before proxying was approved of
lusty trench
But basically, it's the idea of locking your opponent out of game actions, be it what lands they can use, what cards they can play, how many cards of a type they can have, or by making the action give your opponent something to deter you from doing it
lusty trench
I see, they were just expensive and good, and I imagine they weren’t played much...
Yeah proxying in official magic tournaments isn't a thing
ornate cedar
Ah, got it, so this was a Standard engine when it was legal, and then Legacy?
Legacy/Commander
lusty trench
It was standard but it became the name for the deck idea
Just locking your opponent out while you wait to gather the win
It's different to control as instead of it having the same bluff game that counterspells and removal have/the ability to squeeze something through if your opponent doesn't want to counter it or doesn't have the counter, it straight up clear as day stops you from performing actions (or let's you with a downside)
lusty trench
I'm gonna be real with you chief, you're likely gonna have this keep happening for like a month or two if it does actually ship
sudden lava
For real, deck is so popular they are having supply issues
twilit canyon
ppl ordering mid 💤
stark skiff
delayed again
nice endless punishment
sudden lava
The wait is my punishment 😅
golden plover
@twilit canyon what do you think about [[Overlord of the Mistmoors]] in Boros Caretakers
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Impending 4— (If you cast this spell for its impending cost, it enters with four time counters and isn't a creature until the last is removed. At the beginning of your end step, remove a time counter from it.)
Whenever Overlord of the Mistmoors enters or attacks, create two 2/1 white Insect creature tokens with flying.
6/6
twilit canyon
very playable
golden plover
We'd lose out on Kaheera, but I don't think that's a noticeable loss
golden plover
Kaheera is fine but we rarely if ever play her
She's kinda just "sometimes we pitch her to march"
Thinking maybe something like this then?
Wedding announcement isn't amazing here, but it's not bad either
Might swap it for sunfall #3 and side in another sphere or something?
golden plover
I like virtue, but it is kinda win-more
golden plover
There's times where it's very strong
But I could cut it
What should I main then?
Sunfall #3 and?
golden plover
Temp Lockdown hurts us a lot tho
twilit canyon
yea but it wrecks the other decks
golden plover
Yeah but we're looking for sunfall, torch, and high noon to do that
golden plover
I'mma try this for now
And replace the Gust with sunfall #4 later
Looks like some of the lists from DC this weekend were on a [[Heliod's Intervention]] in the side
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golden plover
Yeah fuck that deck
I'm also running Grafdigger's for that and the Rakdos Transmogirify one
twilit canyon
goes completely over the top of this
golden plover
And it's bonus graveyard hate
I just dunno how we answer the Rakdos Aggro deck
We have to hope to see removal every turn I guess
ornate cedar
Removal is a double edged sword unfortunately
Although that being said, I rarely regret it when I see it
waxen timber
Had a really brutal interaction come up today playing EDH. My opponent is on Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund. When it enters, it takes control of all dragons
I had an instant speed clone so, I cloned Karrthus when I was being attacked. My clone to steal all his dragons, clone dies to legend rule and now I have his command for the rest of the game
lusty trench
Wouldn’t his karrthus trigger give him back all of the dragons because the ability triggered under his control?
Ohhhh nvm I can’t read
gritty nest
The oculus I ordered for $10 arrived
sleek ferry
We? 
ornate cedar
The oculus I ordered for $10 arrived
Cool shit! I’m still waiting for mine
copper pecan
trail anvil
oh okay so we're just generating infinite value now
copper pecan
we doing backwards long jumps in alchemy
golden plover
Wait what the fuck, it does that for 2 AND gives you first strike?
Insane
Also "solitary study" affects all creatures
trail anvil
yes but it only gives one creature first strike, which is worth less than one mana
copper pecan
the first strike thing isn't really the relevant part of the effect
twilit canyon
the relevant part is the lord effect
+1/+0 on a permanent is cute
it later becomes first strike + a copy
which is very neat
granted it probs doesnt save it
sleek ferry
Alright
I found the new deck I’m building https://x.com/ashlizzlle_/status/1843052083580412089?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A
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golden plover
This looks like it's really greedy into stuff like Phoenix, Rakdos Aggro, and Devotion, no?
Oh wait is this standard
Forgot RIP was in standard and thought this was pioneer lol
sleek ferry
I’m sure you could tweak this for pioneer
I remember people in modern experimenting with Helga
golden plover
Pioneer would be too fast for it
You'd also probably need to be on [[Torch the Tower]] rn
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golden plover
If you're not on something like High Noon
sleek ferry
I mean you could def play high noon in this
golden plover
I'm not sure it's worth it if you're not in red tho
sleek ferry
[[helga skittish seer]]
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Legendary Creature — Frog Druid
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 4 or greater, you draw a card, gain 1 life, and put a +1/+1 counter on Helga, Skittish Seer.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Helga, Skittish Seer's power. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells with mana value 4 or greater or creature spells with 
in their mana costs.
1/3
sleek ferry
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sleek ferry
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golden plover
Hmm what do we think of the [[Marvin, Murderous Puppet]] and [[Tree of Perdition]] deck?
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Defender
: Exchange target opponent's life total with Tree of Perdition's toughness.
There will be no absolution.
0/13
gritty nest
[[marvin, puppet]]
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[[marvin, murderous mimic]]
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modern minnow
is this better than cauldron
sleek ferry
No
atomic harness
Thank you fuwhugs
trail anvil
sounds cheesy unless there's another part to it
and yeah I can't help but feel like cauldron would work better since it doubles as gy disruption
trail anvil
do you not want more dual typed cards to easily trigger delirium here?
golden plover
and yeah I can't help but feel like cauldron would work better since it doubles ...
It is a cauldron list
This was the full list
trail anvil
I see
atomic harness
@twilit canyon @trail anvil holy...
modern minnow
can u really call cloak a mechanic tbh
modern minnow
its on like 5 cards
atomic harness
undo the set
yeah 
trail anvil
cloak was on a ton but they were all bad 
one of the best cloak cards was more commonly played face up, and it was a liability anyways for dying to cut down
sleek ferry
<@480437470870110209> <@166336091941634048> holy...
Sigh can we get Konami to say 80% of the sets in the last 3 years were trash also son?
atomic harness
Nice troll son
burnt parcel
<@430667447692034059> the bane of shiny hunting in the water in magic form <:mon...
I got one, when I was flying to top-left most area and its just there
Same way I got the poison sea dragon
trail anvil
wait I never actually looked at valgavoth's art carefully, jesus
this dude literally is the house
burnt parcel
<@430667447692034059> the bane of shiny hunting in the water in magic form <:mon...
Wait as in, When hunting other mon and it interrupt or hunting IT?
sleek ferry
[[valgavoth]]
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Enchantment Land
Hexproof
Valgavoth's Lair enters tapped. As it enters, choose a color.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
It is the one chamber whose location never changes, the rotten, rancorous heart of Duskmourn itself.
trail anvil
[[valgavoth, terror eater]]
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sudden lava
Wait as in, When hunting other mon and it interrupt or hunting IT?
it moves way too fast
stark skiff
do you not want more dual typed cards to easily trigger delirium here?
really just for Winter's effect yeah. any double typal things you think i missed?
trail anvil
dryad arbor is one
vile mutilator also seems like an interesting choice out of anything
is arasta a meta call for your locals? cause the card seems underwhelming to me in edh
stark skiff
is arasta a meta call for your locals? cause the card seems underwhelming to me ...
dual typing + cheap bodies to block with
only reason tbh havent playtested with allthis yet
trail anvil
I just feel like arasta doesn't do much personally
stark skiff
hey im open to suggestions lol. anything else you think can fit in there
stark skiff
vile mutilator also seems like an interesting choice out of anything
oh and for this just felt like i need removal since most instant/sorcery likely end up in my gy
was thinking maybe Sheoldred and Ulamog the Defiler to be added
trail anvil
which shelly?
defiler is probably one of the best reanimation targets in your colors
stark skiff
the dual sided one
stark skiff
defiler is probably one of the best reanimation targets in your colors
and yeah i forgot how it worked. i just reread it again
atomic harness
burnt parcel
Oh wow this place actually has a lot of messages
golden plover
The more I test Altanak in Jund Vore, the more he feels correct. Worse case scenario is you go +2 in them removing him
sleek ferry
Altanak is crazy
sudden lava
I'm gonna be real with you chief, you're likely gonna have this keep happening f...
Now it's not even giving me a day :/ yeah at this point Im gonna head to locals to buy it
barren cairn
🤔
copper pecan
love when black and green is less than seven
golden plover
It's a good thing I can still have 6 black and green though
I like that Sly One High works within the rules and is kind of a coherent design
It just actively hurts you
ornate cedar
Now it's not even giving me a day :/ yeah at this point Im gonna head to locals ...
If it’s even at locals
Is there anything worth getting from the Rakdos deck sealed that can’t be bought as singles besides the collector pack?
At this point that may be my plan, just getting the stuff I want as singles
They stock new decks at my Target every Friday and they’re always bought out by scalpers by the time I get there
sudden lava
Is there anything worth getting from the Rakdos deck sealed that can’t be bought...
lots of good reprints for the price
glad peak
Valgavoth has been a bit better in testing than thought
ornate cedar
lots of good reprints for the price
Could I get those reprints as singles now that it’s released?
glad peak
But to be fair it was under the assumption of ob nix vs valg when we had access to lotus and crypt
sudden lava
Could I get those reprints as singles now that it’s released?
You could, but it would cost more to buy them individually
sudden lava
yeah
ornate cedar
Well shit, may as well buy it on TCGPlayer then
sudden lava
at this point I may as well just netdeck some budget deck up to what I would've spent (51 dollars) and just call that the lost precon cuz Amazon is bad
ornate cedar
I’m sorry to hear that 😦
sudden lava
Maybe I could order the legolas voltron deck so I can have the same feeling of being the archenemy 😅 but I'll look around SurisMTG builds to see if I find a non 3 color commander to build for cheap.
glad peak
wait why is delayed blast $14 now?
golden plover
It gets the bonus damage if played from anything that exiles it (ie: [[Prosper]]) and in Legacy it's seen play with effects like [[Reckless Impulse]]
golden plover
[[Prosper, Tome Bond]]
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stark skiff
lol this is pretty neat
trail anvil
yo these are cool as hell
golden plover
There's also Pixel Art Ajani mats available
And in Arena, a pixel art Ajani skin
lusty trench
Yo that mat is fire
trail anvil
they can always count on the furries to pitch in a ton of money for extra life
stark skiff
Oh nice this will be a print to demand Secret Lair
twilit canyon
should be all
but ppl complained about that too much since it means the hoarders cant hoard lairs that much
also complaints about time to ship
golden plover
Wasn't the complaint that they said they were adjusting "it takes too long for the product to arrive"
Which wasn't a big deal outside of the coin flip deck (1+ year was ridiculous)
But they def get to make money off the scalpers and FOMO now
ornate cedar
Scalpers are rampant in my area
They buy anything with the hint of having something good like it’s made of gold
Not related to SLs since those are online only
But it still sucks that one has to order most good products online in my area or risk not getting it
trail anvil
thank god they didn't draw cyc rift
sudden lava
rigid scarab
Fierce Guardianship definitely carrying the value here
lusty trench
Nah delayed is £15
gritty nest
So I’m going to retire gonti and just not play it. I don’t think I’ll tear it apart, but it’ll just be a deck I don’t touch
lusty trench
People not liking getting thefted or is it online play issues
gritty nest
Theft
One of the people used to play Brago and blink agent of treachery but complain about me playing gonti because “it’s worse since it’s a whole deck based around theft”
zinc shard
Cowards
gritty nest
I’m just done with the bickering about it
I was also told about another thing with the Kadena deck I’m working on, which to be fair I didn’t realize at first but at the same time it’s like bruh
[[!Etrata, Deadly Fugitive]] [[!Roshan, Hidden Magister]]
trail anvil
One of the people used to play Brago and blink agent of treachery but complain a...
nah that's some stupid shit
stealing from library is the fairest form of stealing and people need to get over it
gritty nest
I told them I could have been worse about it when I first built Tasha forever ago
[[Xanathar, Guild Kingpin]] + infinite mana + chaos wand
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atomic harness
Finally a good lair
rigid scarab
Ooooh
idk if Void Winnower is iconic enough of an effect for the textless treatment
glad peak
I can’t even
stark skiff
idk if Void Winnower is iconic enough of an effect for the textless treatment
idk just say something about even and your good
ornate cedar
My ugly eyeball arrived in the mail
golden plover
Decided to play Kaito for the midweek magic event and kept forgetting he doesn't have commander Ninjitsu lol
ornate cedar
Noice! I need to find a mid week Magic LGS
golden plover
This was on arena
golden plover
99% of stores do midweek magic as just regular ass commander
But the arena event was brawl with Duskmorn legends only
ornate cedar
Ah I see
Still, pretty cool
I can see how Kaito wouldn’t be good there though
Were there any other ninjas released in Duskmourn?
golden plover
Nah, but there's plenty of good ninjas on arena
Your commander just has to be a Duskmorn legend, the rest can be whatever
ornate cedar
Ahhh, that makes way more sense then
golden plover
Although I did notice they banned [[Persistent Petitioners]]
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1/3
golden plover
I assume for [[The Mindskimmer]]?
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ornate cedar
I can only figure so
ornate cedar
I don’t have enough magic knowledge to know a lot of synergies besides the few I’ve seen in commander games and videos
Oh yeah I could see that though
golden plover
Hell, mill has rarely been viable in 60 card decks
ornate cedar
At least not milling them out
And even then, it could help them
If they have a black mana deck
golden plover
Yeah like in pioneer rn, two of the best decks wanna set up their graveyard
Mill helps Jund Vore and Phoenix
ornate cedar
Jund Vore 🤣 I’m dead
Just a funny name
Pioneer seems fun, like a “cheaper” version of Modern
Probably way cheaper than standard without rotation
golden plover
That's kinda the idea tbh
Pioneer is "fixed" modern in a sense
Way cheaper for the most part, decks are weaker, no fetches
Decks can still be plenty strong
Pioneer games usually only get to t6ish unless someone is on control
ornate cedar
Ooh, no fetches sounds nice
golden plover
Fetches create an issue in every format they're in in that it becomes too easy to play more colors
3+ color manabases in pioneer aren't ideal
ornate cedar
Yeah I could see that
golden plover
Doable, but much harder
ornate cedar
3+ colors are really best in a deck with 100 cards more than 60 cards
Especially if you’re including nonbasics
golden plover
3+ colors really needs you to have legal fetches
There's a huge difference in fixing from a Triome than a t1 fetch into Triome in their end phase
ornate cedar
When I get further into Arena I want to try out Pioneer
Still doing the different two color starter deck challenges
Are there certain cards that are staples that aren’t cycled out, like Counterspell and Unsummon?
In standard I mean
Pioneer probably doesn’t have that issue as much
gritty nest
I want soul shredder in paper
Also have any of you ever built [[Saheeli, the Gifted]]?
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Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
+1: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
+1: The next spell you cast this turn costs less to cast for each artifact you control as you cast it.
−7: For each artifact you control, create a token that's a copy of it. Those tokens gain haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step.
Saheeli, the Gifted can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4
trail anvil
soul shredder seems cool as a card but that art is kinda ridiculous lol
subtle sierra
sigh it doesn't let you kill yourself
ornate cedar
Soul Shredder is tight
golden plover
Welcome the Darkness is paper printable
I'm glad Soul Shredder was slush art
That shits goofy as hell
ornate cedar
What’s a slush art? I tried google and I didn’t get a definitive answer
gritty nest
Slush art is something I’ve never heard
copper pecan
slush art is when they commission art for a card and the card gets cut from the set so they end up using it for something else
gritty nest
Oh
sleek ferry
I am here to tell you guys that Abzan control is broken, and the overlords are some of the funnest cards we've gotten in recent memory
that is all
gritty nest
I thought about adding them to tenth doctor Rose Tyler
sleek ferry
I might have to put tear asunder back to 4
just after i just finished cutting it to 2
ornate cedar
I am here to tell you guys that Abzan control is broken, and the overlords are s...
Funny good or funny bad
Oh funnest
I thought you said funniest
ornate cedar
slush art is when they commission art for a card and the card gets cut from the ...
Ah I see, I’m surprised it wasn’t reused for the racing set, unless it’s cut from the racing set
twilit canyon
Welcome the Darkness is paper printable
yes but people would cheat in paper with this type of effect hence why its digital only
golden plover
We literally got a card with that exact effect this set
[[Screaming Nemesis]] does the exact same thing
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twilit canyon
no
golden plover
Only difference is that the opponent is the one who gets it via nemesis
twilit canyon
you draw x cards, you make the x/x black demon with flying, you rlife total becomes x
golden plover
Yeah I know
twilit canyon
and then ppl will very easily convince u that the alst line of text is flavor text
golden plover
The difference between giving your opponent the effect and yourself the effect isn't that much extra to track
twilit canyon
ppl will try and cheat around sulf vortex a lot