Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

Some of us from here are also in it

[ornate cedar]

That would be great because I like all yall

[lusty trench]

I’d also like to join if possible

[sleek ferry]

I sent it to yall

[sudden lava]

had an insane turn (context an opponent had a rendmaw) where this got me nine 10th doctor triggers (technically prisoner zero with 10th doctor's ability)

[ornate cedar]

I didn’t get it, would you send again?

[lusty trench]

His opponent looking at his cards

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[ornate cedar]

Just the flavor text on this makes me laugh

If I love Dr Who, should I get the precons?

Especially Docs 9 and 10

[sudden lava]

absolutely

[lusty trench]

Just be prepared to spend a premium of the 10ths deck

[steady onyx]

i wouldn't mind joining aswell if possible

[twilit canyon]

dont let him in

[sleek ferry]

Areo is cool, man bullies low power tables

[steady onyx]

??

wdym

i get bullied

also i have no one to play with

i think i made my friends no longer have fun

[twilit canyon]

i get bullied
i think i made my friends no longer have fun

make it make sense

[steady onyx]

by dungeon combo them

no so at my ots i get slapped around

with my friends i slap my friends around

so i got my friend into yugooh mabye???

so i no longer slap him around in magic but yugioh

where i can just give him a better deck

and there's no stupid r0 discussions

[ornate cedar]

That sounds accurate, he’s the most popular doctor

So popular they made him Doctor twice :p

[ornate cedar]

I’ll look into it! Thank you, super excited!

[stark skiff]

You haven’t opened Duskmourn yet?

[meager isle]

No I only buy singles

[rigid scarab]

Can I come

[sudden lava]

love this

[stark skiff]

Weirdo

[meager isle]

Come join us

[meager isle]

Sigh sell me your full art enduring animals

[rigid scarab]

I did kid

Lets play edh

[meager isle]

I’m at work

[ornate cedar]

Picked up Jump Scare and Miracle Worker from Target

No Rakdos deck but that’s to be expected

The scalpers probably hit up Target this morning

[golden plover]

New MH4 card idea: Companion Ninjitsu

[glad peak]

Jojo’s secret lair, we have quad partner commanders

[golden plover]

Speaking of partner, I'm surprised we don't have a partner/background variant for artifacts yet

[lusty trench]

“Trinket” “keepsake” “momento”

[golden plover]

It's literally so easy

Could have a boros one where they're a red knight and they have a white sword, then a Simic one where it's a blue detective with a green magnifying glass

It's SO easy

[sleek ferry]

Next time we see companion it will be a heavily nerfed version ala CL2 “partners” becoming choose a background

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't think we'll ever see proper companions again

Which makes sense, considering it was the first mechanic to ever have to be nerfed for power level reasons

Companions were all around a design mistake in the original iteration

[sleek ferry]

Which is wrong tbh. Post nerf companions are perfectly fine

You just have to think about the restrictions more

And the impacts of making singleton companions lol

[golden plover]

Nah post nerf companions are fine

The issue was pre-nerf was ridiculous

Like I said, there's literally NEVER been an ENTIRE MECHANIC that had to be nerfed before

[twilit canyon]

there was

[lusty trench]

MA THERES A WEIRD CAT OUT SIDE, HES ASKING ABOUT THE DECKS MANA VALUES

[twilit canyon]

mana burn

[golden plover]

Also, even post nerf, Lurrus is still seeing Vintage play and is banned everywhere else

Mana burn was less of "nerfing a mechanic" and "these rules are stupid let's fix that"

[glad peak]

I have a feeling we’re soon going to see companions with the restriction being “you must have X as your commander” and eventually there’s that mechanic with a partner on the commander

[sleek ferry]

That’s what I’m saying post nerf. Companions are fine, but I dont think we’ll ever see wotc actually make interesting companions during their next iteration, because they’ll be so scared of making them broken

Just like partners

[golden plover]

Turns out every time they've introduced an extra deck to magic, it's a bad idea

I don't think we'll ever see more companions because that'd expand the extra deck

We MIGHT see companions in a straight to commander draft set

But I can't see another companion ever entering standard or modern

[sleek ferry]

Counterpoint; Learn was a fine mechanic and banning divide by zero is still one of the most controversial bans ever

[glad peak]

Commander legends commander set: each commander has a partner, companion, background, is a mdfc, and eminence

[golden plover]

It's also funny how people don't talk about companions as an issue of commander design breaking other shit

Because companions were 1000x designed to be "commanders" for other formats

[glad peak]

My proposal would give a player 6 commanders, 2-4 of which have eminence

It is no longer commander but instead a party

[lusty trench]

If they miss a trigger though, they get sent to the woods

[glad peak]

Actually this would make sense with any jrpg they’re looking to port lmao

Full party teams and all helming the deck

[golden plover]

FF commander precon

[gritty nest]

Hello

[stark skiff]

Want them? I think I have two Foil Showcases

[glad peak]

Hello

[sudden lava]

they should've done triple partner for doctor who, but they didnt

https://tenor.com/view/imdone-gif-5051453

[glad peak]

What no

[sudden lava]

[amy pond]

[[amy pond]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/75/amy-pond

Amy Pond <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human
Partner with Rory Williams (When this creature enters, target player may put Rory into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever Amy Pond deals combat damage to a player, choose a suspended card you own and remove that many time counters from it.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
2/2

[glad peak]

The companions should have been companions with restrictions of a doctor

I know that card and I reject

Also to emphasize your companion isn’t immortal

[sudden lava]

Amy Pond should've been an exception where she can partner with both a doctor and Rory if the doctor is specifically 11th doctor. But nah too complex so they just went you can do either

[glad peak]

You know my suggestion of more than 2 partners was a joke, right? I don’t think it’s a good idea to have partner much less multiple

[golden plover]

Yeah letting people have 3 commanders sounds dumb

[glad peak]

The only way I’d accept 3 partner commanders is if they’re mono colored and can only be played as mono color

With almost no abilities

[golden plover]

I'd be fine with all three being French vanillas in 1-2 colors

[trail anvil]

it's time to make triplets yamazaki

[meager isle]

Uhh depends on price and what colors

[meager isle]

Does cascade count?

[golden plover]

True there were ruling changes for cascade

But they came after

[copper pecan]

they bit off way more than they could chew with ikoria

[meager isle]

Oh you said before

Reading

[golden plover]

Yeah Ikoria wasn't really thought out

[copper pecan]

they should have cut either mutate or companion since they didn't have time to balance both

[golden plover]

Mutate is AWFUL to play in paper tbh

I'd genuinely be surprised if we ever see the mechanic in paper again

[copper pecan]

mutate is fine imo

it didn't feel any worse to me than bestow did

most of the weird corner cases almost never come up

[golden plover]

Its the whole "above or below" thing

There's a reason the digimon TCG only does above

[twilit canyon]

lets be real its bc if they did above or below the pinkertons would take their knees for infringing on hasbro owned stuff

[lusty trench]

Nah they have a mechanic that shoves your top card to the bottom of your digivolution pile

[golden plover]

Do they now?

[lusty trench]

It’s not a named mechanic but it’s something I remember happening

[trail anvil]

what makes it bad?

[copper pecan]

yeah i don't think i understand your reasoning here

[golden plover]

It can just get complicated in certain scenarios

[trail anvil]

just like digimon you can just tap/untap the top card of the pile, or tap the whole pile

[golden plover]

Its not the worst, but it has some tracking weirdness

I guess it could return tho

But it's INSANELY parasitic

Can't just have 1-2 mutate cards in the draft

Half the set has to be mutate cards

[sleek ferry]

Mutate was fun

[trail anvil]

I feel like you could, but they made every damn mutate card an on mutate trigger

gave it anti synergy with some of its biggest legends

[golden plover]

Oh true. I guess you could have it be a smaller theme

Didn't realize it was that just every mutate card is "whenever you mutate"

[trail anvil]

you notice really quick as a nethroi player lmao, none of the cards that mutate do anything when you revive

at least he has cool synergy with cards like escape polukranos

[golden plover]

I would like a return to Ikoria tho

[trail anvil]

I really would love a mutate set that has static effects, on attack, etb, etc

[golden plover]

But I think they should rebrand it to "the pokemon plane"

Because it's not a big monster place

It's weird monsters and bonders

[trail anvil]

or just shift it to duskmourn style

[copper pecan]

i don't think they should rebrand it

[trail anvil]

make shit terrifying

not nightmare wise but stat wise

[golden plover]

Kellan can be the champion, the Izzet lady can be the professor

Ohh could even bring back non-legendary "partner with"

[trail anvil]

but are you ready for kinnan 2, nadu's disciple?

[golden plover]

Could be a draft archetype of bonders who partner with their beast

Also, considering they made a BIG "mistake" (it was on purpose) with the triomes, we kinda have to return to Ikoria and New Capenna every so often now

[copper pecan]

they probably aren't going to have a major mechanic of a set be just tutoring

[golden plover]

It's so fucked up they did that btw

They mentioned in the past how names like the shock lands were generic so they could put them on any plane

And then we get "Raugrin Triome" and "Xander's Lounge"

[trail anvil]

eh they could either reprint it with a different name or a slightly different effect

such as basic land cycle maybe

[golden plover]

They can't do another name, unless they pull out the =SNC text on non-UW cards

[golden plover]

What do you mean? The triomes have their respective land types

[trail anvil]

actually nvm that's useless

[copper pecan]

it's not like they're gonna want to have these in standard all the time

[trail anvil]

but either way some kind of parallel

[golden plover]

Yeah but the naming of them very intentionally limits the sets they can be in

And Ikoria and New Capenna both weren't popular planes

[trail anvil]

I feel like they could be on a revisit. both had one thing a lot of people were calling for, i.e. corrupt police on capenna

[sleek ferry]

I mean Eldraine was a popular plane, and wilds of Eldraine was pretty dogshit

[golden plover]

Yeah but they're more likely to have a bad revisit than an unpopular plane getting one at all

[trail anvil]

huh come to think of it I guess it was pretty boring. I feel like eriette was the biggest thing to come from that plane

maybe roles, but those barely make a splash in standard besides spellbook vendor and monstrous

[golden plover]

I was mostly upset Eldraine lost its draft identity

Not being mono-colored was sad

[gilded glade]

[sleek ferry]

I got you 5 new recruits captain

[ornate cedar]

I like the server so far! Really comfy

[gilded glade]

[burnt relic]

make it 6

[rigid scarab]

Dont call me a recruit

[stark skiff]

Congrats you own a Yugioh server now

[meager isle]

She always had lol

[golden plover]

Lmao I just saw the take that they should let commander players vote to determine EDH bans

Do you know how many people would vote to ban all interaction

Doom blade is now banned because my buddy Ted used it on my craterhoof one time

[twilit canyon]

edh players ruined edh fr

[lusty trench]

Chat I have a Nadu what should I do with it

[trail anvil]

burn it to sate the gods

[lusty trench]

I don't got matches

[waxen timber]

It sees play in legacy

[trail anvil]

or see if a legacy player picks it up or something

[lusty trench]

I think I'd rather eat it tbh

[waxen timber]

I've tasted a few yugioh cards including an ulti. I assume MTG cards are similar. Cards don't taste the best but, it is decent if you haven't eaten in a bit and want a snacm

[golden plover]

It's definitely seeing legacy play now

But yeah, burn it or eat it

[lusty trench]

I put it down the toilet :3

[fallow citrus]

I was just gonna say use it as a coaster

[ornate cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-weaving-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12671347

[stark skiff]

Complain about how much money you lost cause of the banlist

[lusty trench]

MY £2.50 HOW DARE WIZARDS DO THIS

[copper pecan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1fqvf50/shivams_statement_on_the_commander_situation_not/

honestly the way people have been acting about the bans makes me feel ashamed to be a magic player

i'm glad i quit paper magic a long time ago, so i don't have to deal with these lunatics in person

[twilit canyon]

dealing with these lunatics soo

soon

actually tho most ppl in my area have been normal

[sleek ferry]

Dealing with yourself? Crazy

[twilit canyon]

i deal w myself every single day yes

[modern minnow]

most lgs people ive met have been relatively normal but i only go during prereleases not commander night

[golden plover]

Most lgs people I've met have been decent-normal about it

But I don't go to the problematic LGS nearby

[sleek ferry]

Lgs mtg people are usually adults, so I find them much easier to deal with compared to other tcg’s

I think that’s part of why me and my advanced age went from ygo to mtg

[golden plover]

I think it's the chronically online ones who only go to an LGS to complain/pubstomp that are mad

And the investment bros

[ornate cedar]

It’s gonna be interesting going to my LGS tomorrow. I imagine a lot of people won’t care but I can’t say for sure

Gonna give my Hazel deck a whirl before trying out the Duskmourn decks I got in following weeks

[modern minnow]

what do you think of the hypothetical situation where instead of sol ring, jeweled lotus was 1 dollar and printed in every precon and expected to be played in every deck

do you think the format would be better if jeweled lotus was in sol rings position

[meager isle]

I wouldn’t think the format changes at all

The only ban out of the 4 that arguably changed the format is dockside because it nerfed an entire color

[steady onyx]

the only thing I could think of

if its cheap higher cost commanders would be more popular

[golden plover]

Hmm just saw [[High Noon]] as a phoenix out in pioneer

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/15/high-noon

High Noon <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
, Sacrifice High Noon: It deals 5 damage to any target.
They both knew only one of them would walk away.

[sleek ferry]

High noon is my jam

In standard

I enjoy doing the du port + high noon + avian interrupter lock

[sudden lava]

I should get a copy of high noon

[glad peak]

you should

[trail anvil]

ayyy my eluge deck shipped early let's get it

[sudden lava]

list?

[trail anvil]

oh gosh I haven't uploaded it anywhere digital lol

the big 3 things are:

• it's budget
• it has no gain control spells
• it has no extra turn spells

lots of big blue spells though

[trail anvil]

https://archidekt.com/decks/9388516/edh_eluge @sudden lava okay here it is

there are some cards missing for now and the land count is low while I try to work out what I'm cutting, but this is my start to try out the deck concept at my locals

I tried to make it as weird as possible, but it's kinda hard to do so in monoblue

[ornate cedar]

Casual Commander is sold out at my LGS 😭 time to look for other options

For today/this week I mean

I’ll gladly try again for next week

It’s the first time it’s been sold out in a while, so I wonder if it’s because of Duskmourn, or the banlist, or both

[golden plover]

Guys I got it. We replace Dockside with [[Cavern Hoard Dragon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/31/cavern-hoard-dragon

Cavern-Hoard Dragon <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest number of artifacts an opponent controls.
Flying, trample, haste
Whenever Cavern-Hoard Dragon deals combat damage to a player, you create a Treasure token for each artifact that player controls.
6/6

[golden plover]

They're clearly exactly the same card

[glad peak]

Well you know, in Magda

Nah actually though dockside hit helps her a lot

[golden plover]

Unironically cavern hoard isn't terrible

It doesn't accomplish the same role, but he's probably usually cheap and probably a decent tempo swing

[meager isle]

5 artifacts already pays for itself so I can see it being nice

I guess it isn't dirt cheap because it's decent

[ornate cedar]

Do you think a booster bundle provides enough cards for a cube?

I have one from BLB and MH3 and I was curious

Actually nvm, it’s not enough

[lusty trench]

You’d generally need a box’s worth of cards

[urban crane]

Pulled a razorkin from Valgavoth

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/dackfayden07/status/1839804185522360652?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

DackFayden07 (@DackFayden07) on X

After some testing i`m pretty sure Oculus is best card from Duskmourne! This deck is now really good, and Oculus is insane upgrade to this strategy! 🤯
In addition i think it is also going to be great in existing Dimir Frog builds! 😍😍😍

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 11:07 PM

[twilit canyon]

slightly different list to what magic aids ran

magic aids ran sultai for grist and birthing ritual to sack the manifested cards

but yeah holy shit if u havent played with it

play it

oculus is fucking gas

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/avilessure/status/1839893685116289050?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Avi Lessure (@AviLessure) on X

10-0 to take 1st in the Pioneer challenge today!! I love this deck <3
(First Challenge on MTGO btw)

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 5:03 AM

[twilit canyon]

oh this is neat

i saw a mono-white version but i thought it lacked something

i guess lacking red is pretty much what it was

[sleek ferry]

Yeah this looks cute

[last glen]

[[Kaheera]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/224/kaheera-the-orphanguard

Kaheera, the Orphanguard <:mana1:292901508373282827><:managw:292901508977000448><:managw:292901508977000448>

Legendary Creature — Cat Beast
Companion — Each creature card in your starting deck is a Cat, Elemental, Nightmare, Dinosaur, or Beast card. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Vigilance
Each other creature you control that's a Cat, Elemental, Nightmare, Dinosaur, or Beast gets +1/+1 and has vigilance.
3/2

[last glen]

[[Carrot Cake]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/7/carrot-cake

Carrot Cake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Food
When Carrot Cake enters and when you sacrifice it, create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token and scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
, , Sacrifice Carrot Cake: You gain 3 life.
"Secret ingredient? What do you think?" —Ms. Bumbleflower

[last glen]

What's the application of Kaheera here

[trail anvil]

free creature

[trail anvil]

I was gonna say this looks like a standard deck but this just has a lot of recently rotated stuff lmao

[last glen]

damn y'all really said it's okay to pay 3 to have a guaranteed creature in hand

[glad peak]

Well it’s true that’s the only real win con and it works lol

[golden plover]

I lost to this last night on arena, but it was an Orzhov build

Boros feels like the best option

The list I lost to ran [[Virtue of Loyalty]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/38/virtue-of-loyalty-ardenvale-fealty

Virtue of Loyalty <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control. Untap those creatures.

Ardenvale Fealty
Instant — Adventure
Create a 2/2 white Knight creature token with vigilance. (Then exile this card. You may cast the enchantment later from exile.)

[golden plover]

And I do think Virtue is correct in this list

They also sided in [[Ghost Vacuum]] on me (I was on Phoenix)

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/248/ghost-vacuum

Ghost Vacuum <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
, , Sacrifice Ghost Vacuum: Put each creature card exiled with Ghost Vacuum onto the battlefield under your control with a flying counter on it. Each of them is a 1/1 Spirit in addition to its other types. Activate only as a sorcery.

[ornate cedar]

Eyeball looks super fucking cool

[last glen]

what are the top decks in Pioneer rn
gonna update my dino list

[twilit canyon]

phoenix

rakdos aggro

blue/white control

jund sac

angels are creeping back up

and then nykthos and strings combo

[last glen]

strings combo?

[twilit canyon]

lotus field

[[hidden strings]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/12/hidden-strings

Hidden Strings <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
You may tap or untap target permanent, then you may tap or untap another target permanent.
Cipher (Then you may exile this spell card encoded on a creature you control. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player, its controller may cast a copy of the encoded card without paying its mana cost.)

[last glen]

ahh

oh
Got a bunch of wildcards for the banning of Amalia and Sorin

[trail anvil]

if there is literally no downside to having a free creature then yes, even if it's overcosted it's always available. helps a lot when you're flooded

[trail anvil]

"only real win con" is a stretch when you make multiple tokens

[last glen]

Did they ban good sheoldred

where did she go

[golden plover]

Wait why is that talent list not on [[Urabrask's Forge]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/153/urabrasks-forge

Urabrask's Forge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put an oil counter on Urabrask's Forge, then create an X/1 red Phyrexian Horror creature token with trample and haste, where X is the number of oil counters on Urabrask's Forge. Sacrifice that token at the beginning of the next end step.

[stark skiff]

https://x.com/WarChildUK/status/1839705953052045697

War Child UK (@WarChildUK) on X

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Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:37 PM

[twilit canyon]

is there match ups where yo dont grind already well?

you have fountainports, fables, and wedding announcements

emperor too

[lusty trench]

More doctor who cards?

[gritty nest]

Was reading up earlier, should I buy the [[Abhorrent Oculus]] I need now or later?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/42/abhorrent-oculus

Abhorrent Oculus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Eye
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile six cards from your graveyard.
Flying
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, manifest dread. (Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
5/5

[ornate cedar]

Is it Blue Peter or something?

[lusty trench]

What are you playing it in

[stark skiff]

Some are guessing Ruby or Captain Jack

[ornate cedar]

Ooh, a Captain Jack commander would be funny, but I think there are more worthy characters. Unfortunately I don’t know Ruby

Well, I guess Captain Jack would be a well liked card just because of how popular he is

[last glen]

can anyone spot check this list for me
big thanks
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cETVW9nrUUeM2gUe2nWwGw

[trail anvil]

I would buy it now personally, it seems like it's picking up steam in multiple formats

in standard it seems nice in sultai mill and azorius tempo

[sleek ferry]

I always do this after we get a new set

And play the decks I was playing last format without upgrading them first

And I’ve been winning crazy with lizards

https://youtu.be/fdVRZLd7YCk?si=M6bOw0_ZrD7bpvW2

[golden plover]

Sucks to suck

This deck just DEMOLISHES phoenix

[golden plover]

I'm sold on this deck now

[twilit canyon]

i gave it a test irl actually

it can struggle a lot against greedier decks

but into meta its great

[golden plover]

Yeah I imagine it's mostly a meta call

But it just dominates the current meta

Phoenix cannot win under High Noon

[trail anvil]

makes sense, removal midrange weak into a deck that doesn't get checked by that

[twilit canyon]

they can

but its not pretty

[copper pecan]

https://x.com/peachypop_cos/status/1840114490370884033

peachypop, wild mage 🍑 🔜 TwitchCon! 👾 (@peachypop_cos) on X

poor dude had to get a new job after the ban announcement

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 7:40 PM

[twilit canyon]

me

[gritty nest]

Thank you

[trail anvil]

ye

[trail anvil]

oof that's gonna be expensive

[sudden lava]

This was basically the game I won today with triskaidekaphile

[ornate cedar]

Haha Trash Panda noises

[last glen]

Played one Explorer ranked game tonight
Won

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-raccoon-gif-25549012

[zinc shard]

Game really wants me to play Marina

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1840237926967296482?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes) on X

Top 8 decklists for the Brazil Regional Championship (212 players) #mtg #mtgPioneer

Full decklists:
https://t.co/nbrVQ4K7Nz

1st @KaramVinicius - Azorius Control 🏆

2nd @InsideMTG - Enigmatic Incarnation

3rd-4th
@MarcosHBF7 - Rakdos Prowess
@lalauwba_mtg - Rakdos Prowess

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 3:51 AM

[trail anvil]

man these verge lands are everywhere

check lands that enter untapped unconditionally as one color is strong ig. I really underestimate how much surveil lands would facilitate them in standard though

also was rakdos aggro always good? one of the decks has turn inside out but the other literally has no duskmourn cards

[sleek ferry]

I uh, can only make assumptions based off what I’ve seen so far, but the streak of good standard metas might be over. It’s still early though so we’ll see how the meta shakes out

[zinc shard]

Verge Lands are just basic lands with upside, but cant be fetched.

[trail anvil]

I think we've seen bo1 torched but bo3 seems like it could be pretty decent?

[twilit canyon]

no not really

its like

fine

and yea bo1 is cooked but bo3 has been good

[trail anvil]

I want to try some newer stuff in ranked but I'm out of mythic wildcards all the cool stuff in this set is mythic

[sleek ferry]

Bo1 was cooked post blb

[twilit canyon]

bo1 been cooked

[sleek ferry]

Btw chainsaw was everything my boros equipment list was missing

[trail anvil]

yeah card looks nuts

[twilit canyon]

dissection tools too

insane fucking card lol

its almost better than batterskull

[sleek ferry]

I’m trying dissection tools at 1 for now, and I keep going back and forth between 3 or 4 chainsaws

[twilit canyon]

chainsaw is 4 of

its removal

they also all chain off each other

[atomic harness]

Thank you fuwisty

Dissection is the goat

[stark skiff]

does a code help?

[stark skiff]

glad i bought mine already. just missing the dimir one lol

[trail anvil]

I took one already but thank you very much lol

[twilit canyon]

i believe u can use multiple for dsk?

[stark skiff]

if you guys want just lmk

[twilit canyon]

sure send it my way

i heard multiple codes can be used

if it doesnt work u can just give it to anyone else

[stark skiff]

Sent lmk if it works or ill just sent it here

[twilit canyon]

dont think i see the msg

just go ahead and drop it here

[urban crane]

Played Valgavoth yesterday was fun but feel bit slow could also be the thing that other players had pretty strong decks and I didn’t open crazy

[stark skiff]

Rakdos? yeah it always seems slow in vids ive seen

[stark skiff]

well multiples work apparently lol

[twilit canyon]

yerm

i believe that they messed up with duskmourn like they had on a few sets before

i think the amount of redeems is 5

[ornate cedar]

How does one get those codes?

I didn’t see any in Jump Scare or Miracle worker

[ornate cedar]

After play testing the decks I have, I definitely think control is more my style. I also want to add white because I like the board wipes that come with it. Do you all have any good Jeskai commanders to recommend?

I want the control of Azorius with the speed of Izzet and Boros

[glad peak]

[[pramikon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/47/pramikon-sky-rampart

Pramikon, Sky Rampart <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Wall
Flying, defender
As Pramikon, Sky Rampart enters, choose left or right.
Each player may attack only the nearest opponent in the chosen direction and planeswalkers controlled by that opponent.
Its colors entrance aggressors, directing their violence.
1/5

[hidden ermine]

https://x.com/peachypop_cos/status/1840114490370884033

peachypop, wild mage 🍑 🔜 TwitchCon! 👾 (@peachypop_cos) on X

poor dude had to get a new job after the ban announcement

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 7:40 PM

[ornate cedar]

Oh my god this is great! This is the kind of stuff I like haha

[twilit canyon]

repost smh

but again

me

[golden plover]

@twilit canyon seeing a lot of [[Transmogrify]] and Creativity lists that we struggle into. What're your thoughts on [[Graffdigger's Cage]] for the matchup?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/167/transmogrify

Transmogrify <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile target creature. That creature's controller reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a creature card. That player puts that card onto the battlefield, then shuffles the rest into their library.
"I'd like to introduce you to the new and improved me."

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/227/grafdiggers-cage

Grafdigger's Cage <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can't enter the battlefield.
Players can't cast spells from graveyards or libraries.
"Best bury them right. We don't want any gruesome encores." —Constable Trosk

[golden plover]

We're not playing creatures at all and our spells only come from the hand

This probably keeps us alive there

It also hits incarnation, or at least forces them to use an o-ring on a less than ideal target

[twilit canyon]

[[hallowed moonlight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/16/hallowed-moonlight

Hallowed Moonlight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Until end of turn, if a creature would enter and it wasn't cast, exile it instead.
Draw a card.
Creatures of darkness instinctively hide from the light.

[golden plover]

True, once they put that on arena it's the better option

[twilit canyon]

and its decent vs phoenix

[golden plover]

Both are

Although High Noon already means Phoenix is playing an uphill battle

[twilit canyon]

cage is kind of meh

[golden plover]

I don't think we'd board cage in on phoenix

[twilit canyon]

bc theres an issue with the fact that its face up

[golden plover]

We board in the RIPs for Phoenix

[twilit canyon]

and sack

[golden plover]

Cage comes in against Creativity, Incarnation, and the Rakdos Transmogrify deck

[twilit canyon]

but point is, cage face up and its vs red

the one color that wrecks artis

[golden plover]

Anything where their gameplan is to drop 1 big card from their deck

Rn my side is:
4 RIP
3 Cages
2 Pyroclasm
2 Settle the Wreckage
2 Chandra, Awakened Inferno
And 1 Ghost Vacuum

Ghost Vaccuum might go up to 2, not sure on that

I'm not sure how relevant it is, but it gives us a long game option against graveyard decks that can enable caretakers

Here's my main

Forge is a placeholder for another wedding announcement

And the gusts are placeholders for get lost

I think I'll replace legion's with another virtue in the future, but I kinda wanna be on 3 March theoretically

[twilit canyon]

u do want more lands and sunfalls here

[golden plover]

Hmm, I could go up to 3 sunfalls

[twilit canyon]

yea legion -> march
4 sunfalls

[golden plover]

I think Virtue feels correct in this deck

[twilit canyon]

parting gust is super whatever imo

[golden plover]

But I have no clue if I wanna be on 2+ or not

[twilit canyon]

1 virtue sure but i also would add more lands

[golden plover]

Gust is just because I don't have any get losts

[twilit canyon]

ur missing fountainports for the token synergy

[golden plover]

I've got 3 in there, screenshot doesn't show it

I'm on 25 lands, should I be on more?

[twilit canyon]

oh the field has a number

barely see it

[golden plover]

4 fields, 3 fountainport

[twilit canyon]

okay if u wanna replace get losts do u have fateful absence?

[golden plover]

That'll likely swap to 4 fountainport, 3 field once I get rare wcs

Nah, missing those too

[twilit canyon]

helix then

[golden plover]

I guess [[Stroke of Midnight]] also exists

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/33/stroke-of-midnight

Stroke of Midnight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target nonland permanent. Its controller creates a 1/1 white Human creature token.
The assembled partygoers fell silent and stared. As the helmet came to a clattering stop, the only sound was Ash's distant footsteps.

[golden plover]

My issue with helix is that if they're dropping something big like Valgavoth or Atraxa it won't kill it

[twilit canyon]

if they are dropping this you are losing anyways

[golden plover]

I was able to beat Rakdos Transmogrify last night with parting gust

G1 and 3 they dropped Valgavoth and I just sacced 3 random tokens to turn him into a 1/1 fish

[twilit canyon]

might be because the deck itself (rakdos transmog) is weak but valgavoth/atraxa is super punishing for this deck

even if removed

[golden plover]

Oh for sure

Still backbreaking to deal with, but I guess that's probably why I wanna side cages for now

Rakdos Transmog runs abrade but likely won't side it in G2

And I dunno if Incarnation runs Haywire Mite or not

They def run Boseiju but they don't wanna waste Boseiju on that

[twilit canyon]

idts

boseiju yes

[golden plover]

I don't think creativity runs either

Why are you posting a SL that's been revealed for 3 weeks and on sale for 1 randomly?

[sudden lava]

wait it has, mb

[golden plover]

It's even discounted because of the Koma

Same thing

We've known the whole drop for 3 weeks

[twilit canyon]

we have known this yea

[twilit canyon]

tho they usually do play a shatter

[golden plover]

The Miku lair is the only one we didn't see all of until this week

Why Shatter over Abrade?

[twilit canyon]

a shatter not actual shatter

could be abrade or wear//tear

[golden plover]

Oh gotcha

Yeah was confused because Abrade is usually almost always just better

[sudden lava]

on another note

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1289984054883778631/image.png?ex=66facec5&is=66f97d45&hm=38567101fa16e2785d4b25d75af3eb841229de5d3c99f067e4816a571556cac8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=595&height=294

Beyond excited to finally get this in the mail tomorrow

[fallow citrus]

mtg making a commander product called punishment when playing that format is the real punishment

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1840398716361998513?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes) on X

Standard Challenge Top 8 decklists for Saturday, Sept 28 (42 players) #mtg #mtgStandard
https://t.co/wHVY5UdK6f

👁️🏆

Zur Overlord Domain in the finals🌶️

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 2:30 PM

[golden plover]

If only there was a way to play a 4 player game with friends that uses cards and/or game pieces

[sleek ferry]

I’ve played that Azorius list on the ladder

And it seemed fragile

[golden plover]

Everdell, the Slay The Spire Board Game, Dominion, and 1000s of other games

[rigid scarab]

Is chat having a piss on edh session again

[fallow citrus]

one comment was made you don't have to white knight the format

[rigid scarab]

Yes I will

[fallow citrus]

cool

[rigid scarab]

Edh became the most popular format for a reason (Probably social media idk)

[fallow citrus]

because it's a party game

[twilit canyon]

this

[twilit canyon]

it is

but its leveraging that most ppl arent on rip and leyline rn

[sleek ferry]

I figured as much

Still, it’s interesting to see how the format develops

Soul partition feels better than it ever has this format

Mainly due to the leylines running around

[twilit canyon]

its just red leyline tho

the others are mid to bad (besides void)

and red leyline is good only in bo1

[golden plover]

How do we feel about Say it's Name in Jund Vore btw?

It's seeing Legacy play in Dredge

And I think the idea is cute

[twilit canyon]

it is quite cute lol

its like

able to grab anything not just whats milled

so it sets up and always grabs

[golden plover]

Yeah that's a big upside

And sometimes you mill 3 off Scavenger's Talent and have a 9/9

I think it's probably worth trying

[twilit canyon]

mhm

i think it can be worth a test

but, it is more gy reliance

[golden plover]

Yeah, unfortunately I don't think the deck can avoid that tho

[fallow citrus]

jund... vore?

[rigid scarab]

It wouldnt incentivise running more green lands no

[golden plover]

Rakdos Sac but we splash Green for Ygra

[golden plover]

Don't need to. We're fine with the pathways and shocks

[rigid scarab]

I think its moreso the calling it vore part

[fallow citrus]

ahh sure

[golden plover]

That's how the combo wins

Ygra turns all creatures into food, and we loop 2 cats

[rigid scarab]

Ygra is also sometimes good to just

Plop down

Yeah I got a 7/6 that gets bigger when I breathe that you need to sac a creature to interact with

Deal with it loser

[lusty trench]

R/competitiveedh held a poll of what cards they want banned or unbanned

Griselbrand got a 55% unban percentage

Over half these people wanted the words draw 35 unbanned

(20% also wanted the OG mox unbanned)

[twilit canyon]

u need to get off reddit

u get exposed to so many shit opinions

[lusty trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/s/8IfSzf1Rmn

Here's the post if you want a laugh

[fallow citrus]

no I just had no idea what the vore represented in the deck

[rigid scarab]

Alr

[glad peak]

At this point the only people who want dockside back are people playing the already super niche decks that were carried by dockside loops

[polar lake]

its so weird that yugioh players love reprints and when you mention reprints in mtg all the boomers clutch their purses and pearls

[ornate cedar]

I wonder how the two commanders stack up in cEDH, especially Lord of Pain

[lusty trench]

I don’t think they’re good enough

[modern minnow]

arent they just worse ob and worse vial

[fallow citrus]

I haven't even read those cards

[lusty trench]

Valgavoth is a worse ob Nixilis and yeah lord of pain is like a worse vial smasher

Vial smasher having partner is huge

[ornate cedar]

Ah, so those two are still low powered enough for casual?

[lusty trench]

Yeah, they’re not made for competitive stuffs

[ornate cedar]

Interesting, what’s a good standard for a cEDH commander? I’m sure the deck matters too, but just so I can get better at judging that

[lusty trench]

Lord of pain working for your opponent when you’re down to a 1v1 sucks too

[lusty trench]

Generally speaking, effect strong for its cost, good colour options (black and blue very gud), and some form of mana acceleration, card advantage or mana sink, more of those he better. If the deck has enough of those in the deck it’s just how easily can it get you the win

Like tivit doesn’t read like he’d be a big cedh card but he has colours that give him options until he’s able to come down with time sieve

[golden plover]

So turns out [[Metamorphosis Fanatic]] is stupid good in legacy

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/21/metamorphosis-fanatic

Metamorphosis Fanatic <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Cleric
Lifelink
When Metamorphosis Fanatic enters, return up to one target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a lifelink counter on it.
Miracle (You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)
4/4

[golden plover]

The fact that you can chain them on other copies of themselves is also crazy

[twilit canyon]

ye its being tested

its pretty damn solid

tho it can end up doing little vs the big opposition u run into

[golden plover]

True, seems kinda crazy tho

[twilit canyon]

the thing is that lands is your worst match up

and lands already beats the shit out of the reanimator plan

[gritty nest]

Thoughts on group hug?

[modern minnow]

https://youtu.be/GJ9qNfjM31c

Mtg jon bois is back

[modern minnow]

Have essentially only had bad experiences when a group hug deck is in the pod but that's only partially bc of the actual deck and mostly the people i find who like playing group hug

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/mtgmoniz/status/1840424520366096836?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Moniz0801 (@MtgMoniz) on X

Testing going smoothly

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 4:12 PM

Man brought a dog shit deck

And was shocked he got smacked by mono red

[golden plover]

Double Leyline is also rare

[sudden lava]

Depends on the version

[gritty nest]

Group hug 1/1 counters to make my shit chunky while “helping” the table with Bumbleflower

[sudden lava]

based

[gritty nest]

I’ve already got a branching evolution, Hardened scales, and plan to add champion of lambholt

[waxen timber]

Excited to test out my new deck when it all comes in the mail. Hopefully at my LGS, there are people who let me Rule 0 it in: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Tfs73naOhEeyHG498_e22w

[golden plover]

I don't know about that one lol

Lots of banned cards + Nadu is probably not very likelty

[trail anvil]

what's with this deck lol

[waxen timber]

Would have fit more banned cards in it but, stuff like Rofellos is like $30

Also Nadu without Lightning Grieves or Shuko is actually a pretty cool commander

[glad peak]

turns out nadu without a bunch of the cards that are good with him isn't banworthy

[golden plover]

God I hate it when people play out a losing game for like 5-6 turns. It's such a waste of time when you can just... Concede

[trail anvil]

do they have absolutely zero way to come back into the game

[gritty nest]

[[Illusionist's Gambit]] or [[Perplexing Test]]

which should I keep in Bumbleflower?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c13/47/illusionists-gambit

Illusionist's Gambit <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Cast this spell only during the declare blockers step on an opponent's turn.
Remove all attacking creatures from combat and untap them. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase. Each of those creatures attacks that combat if able. They can't attack you or planeswalkers you control that combat.

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/229/perplexing-test

Perplexing Test <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Return all creature tokens to their owners' hands.
• Return all nontoken creatures to their owners' hands.
"Your proofs were a bit nontraditional, but effective nonetheless. Full marks."

[stark skiff]

Gambit

[trail anvil]

gambit serves as a fog and general redirection of damage when you're the biggest threat

while perplexing test has its moments, gambit can really help you go for game

[gritty nest]

Yea both are good.

I’ve made a few changes to the deck, I’ve added smothering tithe and rhystic study, added hardened scales and branching evolution, teferis protection

generic additions I know but needed I felt, especially rhystic study

[golden plover]

Man I hate that this deck loses to greedy decks

Lost a game where they had 1 minute on the clock in G2

But they were able to just out value us

[sudden lava]

Gambit for when someone deems you have outlived your usefulness and proceeds to attempt to take you out.

[sleek ferry]

msn, [[glimmerlight]] has been great for me so far

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/249/glimmerlight

Glimmerlight <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
When Glimmerlight enters, create a 1/1 white Glimmer enchantment creature token.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Hope and reliable lighting are in short supply in the House. Glimmers provide both.

[sleek ferry]

Playing it at 2 currently, but sometimes I feel like I should up it

[sleek ferry]

Anything you guys would change here?

[sleek ferry]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/on-the-future-of-commander

So it starts

[rigid scarab]

Let's see how long this lasts

I give it 8 months

[sleek ferry]

Wdym

Wotc is not giving the power back to a separate entity

That much is there to stay

The 4 power bracket thing is probably a failure waiting to happen though

[copper pecan]

can't say i'm surprised, if i was the rules committee i'd probably not want to have to deal with the playerbase anymore either

[golden plover]

This was expected, but it's sad

[rigid scarab]

RC isn't dissolving

Just WOTC is working much more closely

And is making more decisions

[sleek ferry]

RC are the ones that asked WOTC to take over btw. RC is still involved, they just want WOTC tot take the heat basically

Overall, it’s a good change

https://x.com/mtgcommander/status/1840783614294069286?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Commander Rules Committee (@mtgcommander) on X

As a result of the threats last week against RC members, it has become impossible for us to continue operating as an independent entity. Given that, we have asked WotC to assume responsibility for Commander and they will be making decisions and announcements going forward.

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 3:59 PM

[rigid scarab]

We will also be evaluating the current banned card list alongside both the Commander Rules Committee and the community.

NO

THIS IS A BAD IDEA

[sleek ferry]

I mean the banlist should have been re-evaluated before the new banlist dropped

99% of the cards on the banlist can be unbanned

[glad peak]

The community should be re evaluated before making any decisions

[rigid scarab]

I agree on this though

This is just 1-10 power levels with extra steps

[glad peak]

The pauper community could be somewhat trusted with balance

[gilded glade]

SALT SCORE ON EDHREC WILL DECIDE BANS

[sleek ferry]

Actually, I was just reading their ideas, it could work

Or at least, it will stop everybody from saying their deck is a 7

[copper pecan]

isn't it fewer steps

not more

[rigid scarab]

If the power level of your deck is determined by its highest bracket card

And high bracket cards are generally expensive super staples

[sleek ferry]

The only real issue I see is, this is going to be easy to separate casual and cedh (which was already pretty easy), but how do you draw a line between cedh vs high powered

[rigid scarab]

Does my precon fit in basically high power because I put a mox diamond in it

People immediately saying that WOTC is going to reverse the bans

That would be

An even greater financial disaster

[lusty trench]

Me rocking up with zada hedron grinder (it doesn't use staples so it's a 2)

[rigid scarab]

Yeah

I definitely see a world where nerds try to game the bracket system

[rigid scarab]

Also it would reward the people who harassed RC

[sleek ferry]

There’s a stream tomorrow that should answer some questions hopefully

I’ll withhold all judgment until the stream

[urban crane]

Yes it would just undermine any future banlist ever aswell

[golden plover]

I can't see the power bracket thing working

Lol they also revealed the player liked scores for recent sets. Aftermath was liked by 5% of players

[broken fjord]

Were brackets what the RC was referring to when talking about new tools? Because this isn't it. What a silly idea.

[stark skiff]

Yes

It’s a trash idea. Commander playerbase just needs to accept a banlist.

[lusty trench]

But that would mean they'd have to accept that their cardbo- I mean investments have lost value!!!

[sleek ferry]

This suggests that playing pickup commander at an LGS isn't an issue, banlist or no banlist

the bracket thing could make the LGS experience infinitely better

if you play within a specific group it's w.e, this isn't for you then

[lusty trench]

what on earth are you talking about my guy I did not say that

I'm making fun of finance bros

[sleek ferry]

mb, I meant to reply to Adam

@stark skiff

[lusty trench]

To be fair they do just need to accept a banlist, regardless of what future tools they might use

[stark skiff]

I mean I need to see it in action but the way it reads is you still have to discuss things beforehand which is what is the point? We already do that.

[sleek ferry]

I mean sure, and there's no sign of the banlist going away as a whole, just a re-evaluation of it + separation of power

the difference between rule 0 vs a definite written bracket system is night and day

you can argue rule 0

[stark skiff]

You’ll still argue over a bracket system

[sleek ferry]

you can''t argue if somebody says "hey we're playing bracket 2" and you pull up with a bracket 4 deck

[stark skiff]

It’s still literally trying to justify decks still at LGS.

[lusty trench]

Having your decks strength defined solely by one card is a horrendous idea

Kid pulls a tutor and puts it in his precon deck, his deck is now a bracket 3 instead of a bracket 1

[merry owl]

im eternally thankful that i have a good stable playgroup

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but this is still infinitely better than people trying to justify their deck as a power level 7 when they don't even know how to evaluate cards

you can easily just be like "we're playing bracket 2, no exceptions"

[stark skiff]

Agreed

[stark skiff]

This is ass if the only reason my deck jumped up to 4 from 1 was an Ancient Tomb

It just creates dumb arguments that doesn’t resolve the initial problem

[sleek ferry]

For the record, Ancient Tomb shouldn't be a bracket 4 card

[lusty trench]

Ideally you'd take the top 5-10 highest bracket cards and average them

[stark skiff]

I mean I agree but then this is also the other issue. Where cards end up being placed will be a huge issue.

[steady onyx]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/on-the-future-of-commander

this is fun

[steady onyx]

how do you evaluate cards

that's something i'm really bad at

[sleek ferry]

Realistically, I think 4 brackets is 1-2 too many, and you should have just drawn the line at 2, maybe 3 brackets, and separated it into 1 - precons 2- constructed commander decks with no fast mana besides sol ring among other bans 3- cedh

[gritty nest]

Everything banned:

New card comes out

Turns a bracket 1 commander into bracket 4

[stark skiff]

Also expect WotC to monetize the hell out of this “solution”

They will just print a bracket 4 card with a slight limitation, and call it power 2

[sleek ferry]

I mean, this isn't any different from what the market currently is, considering the market itself is already 90% dictated by commander usability

[fallow citrus]

surely there will be no issues with this

[merry owl]

as someone with little investment in the format yep

[rigid scarab]

Another thing regarding brackets

Im sure someone can make a bracket 1 deck that's hyper efficient and consistent

Nothing's stopping the 4 brackets from going through their own arms race into competitive

I dont think this system will do that great of a job in giving casual players a nice place to play

But they themelves said that this system won't guarantee perfect games ig

[broken fjord]

"Oh you have an ancient tomb in your kithkin deck? That's a bracket 4 deck. This here's a bracket 3 pod. Get out or change out the card."

[rigid scarab]

"Can't wait to play with all these low power bracket 1 decks! I'm playing Zada!"

[trail anvil]

couldn't you run a removal-heavy pile in bracket 1 since they mentioned it would contain staples like path and swords

[rigid scarab]

Absolutely

[sleek ferry]

Could also do something like bracket 1: pauper commander

[ornate cedar]

I figured out a fun and frustrating deck just using the cards I have: Golgari Squirrel Life Matters

[broken fjord]

Anyone in the mtg discord looking at their new commander channel? Curious to see how it's going.

[ornate cedar]

Thank god LOTR had so many life gain cards lol

The goal is to continuously make food and Squirrel tokens to beef up my life and my squirrel army

[sleek ferry]

btw

[ornate cedar]

Money screams :<

[golden plover]

Yeah you can totally go against the spirit of the brackets and have super optimized decks in each

Also, still crazy this is all because people sent death threats over having their $100 cards banned

[ornate cedar]

I wonder how many people in WOTC were speculating on Jeweled Lotus

[sleek ferry]

Jim also mentioned that WOTC has told anybody from the RC and CAG, that they would still want to work with them, but only if they want to

[sleek ferry]

I mean none? If WOTC sees this as the worst possible outcome (as in them taking over overseeing the format), then this is a failure on the community as a whole

It's the equivalent of your parents letting you go out as long as you come back by your curfew, and then you decide to come back home at 7AM one day

[ornate cedar]

Sorry I misunderstood what Jim was saying out of context. Going to read the thread now

I thought he was saying WOTC is looking to take over commander when that isn’t what he was saying

And my cynicism about WOTC employees speculating was based in the assumption that they were looking to do that because some executives speculated and lost money

Well, that’s kind of circular thinking

[sleek ferry]

We should hear more as the days go by, but as far as we know, it does look as if the RC initiated the talks with WOTC for them to take over

[ornate cedar]

Well, I’m sure that will make the people that sent death threats happy

It’s so ridiculous that this is happening

[twilit canyon]

indeed

absolutely embarrasing for mtg as a whole to have been sending death threats and doxxing rc members and cag members over this

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[modern minnow]

cannot believe mtg now has a worse reputation than no shower buttcrack game

[ornate cedar]

Over fucking cardboard no less

Apparently WOTC is talking about separating decks by bracket?

And you can only play others in that bracket?

[twilit canyon]

not quite

its far from finalized

[copper pecan]

i'm so glad i stopped playing paper magic years ago. i'd be embarrassed to play this game in public

[twilit canyon]

but its a way to organize ppl better

[ornate cedar]

I hope not, it sounds like a nightmare for anyone not in the know

From, what I saw, each bracket is graded by the cards included

?

[sleek ferry]

Don't panic, it's literally still in talks, we also don't know what a finalized version will look like

Like I said in another server, the worse thing WOTC did in that article, was give an actual example

because now people are panicking

[fallow citrus]

can't wait for them to start releasing bracket 3 precons

because you know they'll market them with a little sticker on the front that says like "Perfect for playing Bracket 2 EDH!"

[ornate cedar]

Yep I could see that happening. I hope it doesn’t

[golden plover]

You know the bracket 3 precons will be like $40 more than the bracket 2 ones

[ornate cedar]

I’ll try not to worry, I’ll keep my head down and just play test and attend locals, it’s just hard not to think about now that they gave an example, as you said

[golden plover]

And they'll have like 1-3 $20-$30 "Bracket 3" cards

[sleek ferry]

Unironically, this wouldn't be the worst thing

[ornate cedar]

Konami: “lemme show you how to milk these cows like a pro”

[sleek ferry]

it would give them an excuse to reprint better shit

[fallow citrus]

you don't all need to ping me

[golden plover]

Oh whoops

I thought my ping was off

[sleek ferry]

Sorry Aeri, you're loved enough to be pinged

[golden plover]

I try not to ping my bad

[fallow citrus]

bigger news than the edh restructure

[ornate cedar]

I’m sorry, I don’t know how to turn ping off permanently because Discord sucks

On mobile

[golden plover]

We say that, but remember the MH3 precons? And the commander masters ones?

[fallow citrus]

not necessarily but like it's going to be on a big cringey sticker and they're going to not reaally reprint enough to make it a real difference

[ornate cedar]

I feel bad because it’s not only you that doesn’t like pings and I hate annoying people

[sleek ferry]

Anyways, who’s going to tell me how to improve this deck smh

[fallow citrus]

idm too much it's just when it's 3 at once lmao

[ornate cedar]

Fair

[fallow citrus]

what format is this

[sleek ferry]

Stand-art

[twilit canyon]

couldnt tell u anymore. this latest round of edh drama and continual crying over the bans has totally turned me off paper magic as a whole and any constructed formats. i am now going to terrorize limited in mtga

[glad peak]

Time to ban cards in limited

[twilit canyon]

hasnt that happened already?

[sleek ferry]

time to ban misty

[glad peak]

It happened once I think but I can’t remember everything

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274899034917834752/1274899035144196126/glorpNOTED.gif

my rise as the limited overlord is going to be much quicker than i expected

[golden plover]

There was talk of it for Chrysalis and Oko in both drafts he's in

Iirc no card has ever been banned in limited tho

[sleek ferry]

can people stop playing this mono blue deck, this shit sucks holy

[golden plover]

Pack Rat was also discussed for it

[sleek ferry]

[[pack rat]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/73/pack-rat

Pack Rat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Rat
Pack Rat's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Rats you control.
, Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of Pack Rat.
*/*

[twilit canyon]

literally

ppl are on some insane copium over it

[burnt relic]

imposter amogus

[sleek ferry]

I must have pleased the mtg gods with my service, I went from 1 cope deck to another, hello mono red resonance decks

nvm I got high rolled g1

[fallow citrus]

the gods test us

[sleek ferry]

yeah, def not my match to win

I play 20 equipments

astor saw none twice

[golden plover]

First game of the new season and my opponent is on... Dimir Phoenix?

[steady onyx]

what does phoenix mean

in a deck?

[glad peak]

Usually arclight phoenix

[trail anvil]

are you sure it's not grixis with really unlucky draws?

[golden plover]

It was grixis

[steady onyx]

ooh that seems cool

what format is that for?

i kinda wanna get into a 60 card format for magic but idk which

[golden plover]

Lost to it because of the stupid sideboard not working bug deciding to give them the game

Such a fun bug

[glad peak]

Nowadays pioneer is the most likely home for it

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's the deck to beat in pioneer

[trail anvil]

standard is probably the easiest to get into first

[golden plover]

Although I wouldn't recommend grixis

[glad peak]

Modern does see it sometimes in jeskai and dimir phoenix was a deck in old old standard

[golden plover]

They were playing bad cards like [[Springleaf Drum]] and the one black survivor to set up plays

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/291/springleaf-drum

Springleaf Drum <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, Tap an untapped creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"The music is in the drum. I simply coax it out to be heard."

[golden plover]

The only advantage they got was... Sheoldred

Who I'm starting to hate way more in pioneer btw

Card shouldn't punish you for looking for answers

[last glen]

It's a massive pain

5 toughness pushes it into the really annoying costs to remove

it trades really well
and demands removal or takes over the game

[golden plover]

It does way too much for stabilizing too

You can be like 10 down and just draw 2 and you're almost caught up

[sleek ferry]

[[arclight phoenix]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/100/arclight-phoenix

Arclight Phoenix <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phoenix
Flying, haste
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've cast three or more instant and sorcery spells this turn, return Arclight Phoenix from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Some storms never blow over.
3/2

[sleek ferry]

What card are you guys talking about

[golden plover]

The opponent is also doesn't have to do anything to enable Sheoldred to do 4+ to you

Don't immediately have an answer?

Cool, looks like the tempo is in their favor now

[sleek ferry]

Oh sheoldred

[golden plover]

Can't answer it in combat usually either

I'm not sure she's banworthy in Pioneer but I'm sick of her

[trail anvil]

to me she's annoying when you're behind, but if I have an answer I'm fine with her

but I'm more used to seeing removal resistant creatures in standard

[golden plover]

Yeah, she's not removal resistant which is good, but I hate playing against her

If I don't have a kill spell for her on the spot she drains 4-6 off me just by breathing

[trail anvil]

yeah she definitely deserves her pricetag

[golden plover]

Yeah 100%

I just don't wanna deal with her anymore

[copper pecan]

i remember when sheoldred was revealed people were complaining that she was too weak

how the turntables

[golden plover]

I dunno how, anyone who knew what she actually could do immediately went "what the fuck that's not okay"

Although people are historically bad at evaluating cards

Also, I just realized the bracket system could theoretically be done as Smogon's Tiers

[copper pecan]

i remember thinking that she would be the most impactful card in the new praetor cycle

[golden plover]

That'd be ideal, but I'm not sure WoTC would officially make them work that way

[copper pecan]

they should put lando-t in tier 3 of edh

[golden plover]

Bracket 4 is Ubers, Bracket 3 is OU, Bracket 2 is UU, and Bracket 1 is NU?

Although I'm not sure how bracket 1 is gonna work? It's either gonna be OU because of stuff like sol ring and swords to plowshares (mentioned to be bracket 1) or it's gonna be nothing if precons are aimed at bracket 2

It's gonna be so weird when Sol Ring gets the Sol Ring exception and is Bracket 1 despite being a Bracket 4 card

Oh the article says precons are bracket 1

Meaning Sol Ring is 1

Cant wait to play my Sevinne precon in Bracket 1. Banned?

[modern minnow]

cant wait for bracket 0 and bracket -1

[golden plover]

AG time bby

Wait, if precons are all Bracket 1, then any cards put in a higher tier (3-4, I imagine sometimes a 2 will show up in a precon) effectively becomes a list of cards we know we can never see in a precon

[sudden lava]

thats a good point

[golden plover]

Unless they start releasing "super precons" and they're like $100 more lol

[modern minnow]

they already did this

[lusty trench]

I thought of a good way they could flavour the one ring for universes within

"King Macars treasure hoard"

"My friend please take all that you need, but try not to let your eyes get too big for your head, I'll be expecting it back and then some."

(flavour being he turns you into gold which is why you lose life)

[modern minnow]

i thought the cleanest one ring reskin was just having it be the mirari

[golden plover]

They should go fucking crazy with it and let you run Griselbrand or whatever if the rest of the deck is bracket 1

[lusty trench]

The issue then is how does it give protection

The one ring gives it because of invisibility, the mirari however just has the longing effect the one ring has without the protection

[glad peak]

it could be reskinned as some sort of strongstone too

[sudden lava]

I think for death race we will get partner with vehicles

[twilit canyon]

never cook again

[sudden lava]

but like a specific vehicle for balance reasons

[glad peak]

Vehicle with partners with vehicles

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/super-sentai-zenkaiger-mecha-megazord-power-rangers-gif-21250054

[trail anvil]

lightning McQueen and the Porsche girl

[sudden lava]

thats the secret lair

[fallow citrus]

this is turn 3 mengu just typed wrong
https://x.com/Mengu09/status/1840738368478478463?t=ax7-b0DFQK0ZYTkn0-PFnQ&s=19

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09) on X

Turn2 one Frog and two Oculus let's go! #MTGModern

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 1:00 PM

[steady onyx]

why is it so expensive to make new decks on arena?

[fallow citrus]

how else do they get you to buy packs

[steady onyx]

fair enougb ig

[fallow citrus]

every online tcg should have trading imo but they just dont

[stark skiff]

holy shit Abhorrent Oculus shot up to 35

[zinc shard]

H E L P

They timed out, its my turn, and they're STILL GOING

And I won lol

[steady onyx]

how do I know whats good in my collection

to build decks with?

[modern minnow]

mtg goldfish has standard decks

so you can see what decks are good

[steady onyx]

and just comp[are to what mythic and rarte?

anmd try to build a dekc

[trail anvil]

I have no idea what you just asked

[twilit canyon]

no one knows wtf areo means

[steady onyx]

i look at good decks
i see what myrhic and rare they have
if i have same
good and i build that deck?

anyways i build a arabella aggro deck

its rly fun

and 0 rares needed

[trail anvil]

sure

[steady onyx]

i alreadyu had pulled 1 delenyt

so i didnt need to craft

and now i just need to draw :0

its so cool

[atomic harness]

🔥

[zinc shard]

https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/en/product/1018539/secret-lair-hatchet

Damn we got robbed

[stark skiff]

https://x.com/mengu09/status/1840981047393083761?s=46

Andrea Mengucci (@Mengu09) on X

I re-downloaded MTGArena on my phone. People in the Bronze tier watch out, I’m coming for you! 💪

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 5:04 AM

@atomic harness time to square up kid

[subtle sierra]

Who's that

[rigid scarab]

Do you watch CardMarket Magic

[subtle sierra]

No

[rigid scarab]

Well that was our only shot

Content creator

Won a mythic invitational

[stark skiff]

Ren’s GOAT

[trail anvil]

bruh this mouse is getting banned stg

gruul is some cancer

[atomic harness]

Thank you son

im not sure how little thugerino keeps avoiding dying turn 2 to mickey mousethy

with his control stratagem

[trail anvil]

the t2 kill doesn't even need to happen as a gimmick when turn inside out does heavy damage and/or floats up to twice too

post board you can turn into a more typical resilient to removal gruul cause that's what gruul's already been doing

[atomic harness]

Yeah I heard ppl surviving t2 but still losing out because they ran out of removal

sorry for double pingus

[golden plover]

What the fuck auto-tapper

I guess it was so that I could field of ruin that turn, but I clearly wanted Kaheera over field

Also, I swear when I play something like Phoenix I only run into Talent and other decks that beat me, but when I switch to Talent I run into shit like Mono-Black Control and Greedy Piles that beat it

[twilit canyon]

u got fucked damn lol

[golden plover]

I see why it did it

But in no circumstance was that the play that makes the most sense

It saw that I had an untapped field of ruin and left them open in case I intended to use field

[sleek ferry]

Oh look double resonance

(I still won)

[golden plover]

Ya know, with all these experimental plane we've been getting lately, I want the Victorian future sight plane

[[Grinning Ignus]] was one from it but got retconned to be Strixhaven

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/104/grinning-ignus

Grinning Ignus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental
, Return Grinning Ignus to its owner's hand: Add . Activate only as a sorcery.
On rare occasions, a Prismari student will summon an elemental that shows such promise that it's permitted to stay and enroll.
2/2

[golden plover]

And [[Street Wraith]] was retconned to be Dominara, which is... Wrong

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/102/street-wraith

Street Wraith <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Wraith
Swampwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.)
Cycling—Pay 2 life. (Pay 2 life, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
The lamps on Wyndmoor Street snuff themselves at midnight and refuse to relight, afraid to illuminate what lies in the darkness.
3/4

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1841143696147824959?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥🔜RC DC🔜CubeCon🔜MC Vegas (@fireshoes) on X

Here are the eight players that qualified for Vintage Cube Live in Las Vegas. They're all being flown to Vegas to draft a real, physical Vintage Cube with the Power Nine and will keep the cards they draft. Someone is taking home a Black Lotus! 🪷 #mtg #MCVegas

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 3:50 PM

[glad peak]

So turns out cavern dragon is actually good in Magda lol

Just because you can tutor it out and it beats the mirror

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvf-pXrSu9s&ab_channel=TheTrinketMage

Online casual edh moment

[glad peak]

If wotc actually enforces brackets in edh, doesn’t that just make 4 cedh formats

[golden plover]

LMAO WHAT

How is swords in 1 when Thalia is in 2

[rigid scarab]

It makes 4 separate formats that can individually have optimized pods

[copper pecan]

swords is probably in 1 because they put it in every precon

[golden plover]

Good to see the brackets are based on vibes and not actual card strength lol

[rigid scarab]

Yeah 1 is probably the bracket for super ubiquitous and super budget cards

Wont be surprised to see Sol Ring in 1

[golden plover]

They already said Sol Ring is in 1 lol

Also Armageddon and Drannith should be swapped

[twilit canyon]

they actively said that

[glad peak]

Yep sol ring for sure will be in 1 even if it’s pretty much one of the best cards

[rigid scarab]

I mean it makes sense

[twilit canyon]

they came into this telling us that it would not be based on power

[rigid scarab]

They dont wanna force every precon into high power games

[copper pecan]

armageddon should be in the top tier, not even because it's good but because it's super unfun

[golden plover]

And Drannith is less so?

Drannith is a 2 mana "your opponents can't play their commander + a bunch of other shit"

[copper pecan]

drannith you can at least remove

[glad peak]

Bracket 1 cedh about to be interaction Heaven

Inb4 they say all counterspells are bracket 2+

[rigid scarab]

Nah

[golden plover]

Craterhoof is 3 clearly

[rigid scarab]

Bracket 1 is ubiquitous cards

[golden plover]

Also how are they gonna do this for literally every card

[rigid scarab]

Althought bracket 1 cedh is likely just storm piles

[lusty trench]

I’m going to have a fucking aneurism

[rigid scarab]

I'd imagine a ton of red cantrips are bracket 1 so

Zada

[golden plover]

There's no way they can make Smogon tiers for literally every card

[rigid scarab]

They probably just make a general list and tell the community to figure it out based on their deck

[golden plover]

That'll lead to a lot of questions tho lol

Where does an extra turn spell become bracket 3

Temporal Manipulation? Alrund's Epiphany? Retreat to Coralheim

[rigid scarab]

So did our current system

[glad peak]

Eh I’m glad they’re putting concrete numbers for cards

[rigid scarab]

There's no chance they make a complete smogon list that everyone would agree with

[lusty trench]

The reality of a kid opening dominaria remastered, pulling a vampiric tutor and putting it in a precon is end of days

[copper pecan]

the current system leads to endless arguing anyways, i really doubt this will make it worse

[golden plover]

I don't think it'll be worse, but it won't be much better

[lusty trench]

It’s a lot of effort for

Not much if any difference?

[golden plover]

Really casuals either have to learn to deal with powerful cards or they ban WAY more cards

[glad peak]

So apparently they’re thinking of adding specific combos to brackets too?

[lusty trench]

Put thassas consultation in tier 5

[glad peak]

Eh it’s based on vibes so that makes their jobs a lot easier

[broken fjord]

Brackets aren't replacing a banlist. They're supposed to replace power level discussions. Not that they're much better

[glad peak]

People may not like whatever decision they make but now they have to follow it

[golden plover]

This feels like if Smogon randomly decided the tiers based on reddit threads and not usage stats

[glad peak]

It’s not saying brackets are replacing a banlist but rather expanding a banlist on lower brackets

At least that’s what I’m getting from it

Bracket 3 (OU) about to be the best gameplay

[golden plover]

Reminder Brawl already works like this on Arena but it's wildly wrong

For example, this is the highest card score your brawl deck can have

This is by far, not the best deck in the format

[twilit canyon]

how do you know it is

we dont know how they publically score these

[copper pecan]

this is how it used to be. they've changed the weightings since that time the weights got leaked

[golden plover]

At the time of posting, that was the highest score a deck could have

[steady onyx]

does drannith being 3 mean like esper/ rhystic / remora / tithe would also be 3?

[golden plover]

I guess we'll see

[glad peak]

In game like arena it’s pretty easy to see how they went about it (machine learning, no not the genAI kind, the elo calculator kind) and how it could skew information

[steady onyx]

ok

[golden plover]

But it's likely stax pieces are all 3-4

[steady onyx]

that checks i guess

this is interesting anyways

i really need to get into cedh anyways

[glad peak]

Rhystic mystic and tithe all deserve to not be in 1 or 2