Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

No, that’s a given, I’m still more interested in the fact the people most upset are casual edh enjoyers

[lusty trench]

Live reaction when they saw the banlist

[sleek ferry]

And the big content creators at that

[golden plover]

I mean, the casuals can get over it

These were big expensive cards that added to the price disparity in commander too

[glad peak]

They very much will have heard that the RC will be banning crypt unless their contacts were afraid of leaks

[golden plover]

Ignoring proxies in stuff like cedh, there's a big disparity between power levels based on how much you spend for a deck

[glad peak]

Hell some lgs owners around here knew about it from their contacts

[golden plover]

The guy who spent $500 for a crypt, dockside, and jeweled lotus has a much stronger deck by default

[sleek ferry]

Like the play to win boys (cedh) had very mild reactions compared to a lot of the casual edh content creators https://youtube.com/shorts/xQ2f1D0cM6c?si=kRoEKMWTuf1WceOA

Only casual content creator I’ve seen actually be happy about the changes is literally prof

And prof is a generational hater, so idk if he’s being genuine or trolling

[glad peak]

I’m very interested to see ptw’s take on it because i remember how much they hated some of the cards that just got banned

For a while they hated lotus (or was it crypt) and dockside

[golden plover]

Literally all three of them are happy about this???

It's not just the Prof

But they also bring up a really good point

These are absolutely casual game ruiners

[glad peak]

I think a lot of people who actually play cedh are happy about this because the meta’s been shit for a while

[golden plover]

Outside of cedh (and honestly even in it) the guy who drops a t1 crypt or a lotus is 3-4 turns ahead of the table

[glad peak]

Dockside.dek vs midrange was getting very boring

[golden plover]

Sure, a t1 sol ring gets you like 2-3 turns ahead

[sleek ferry]

My biggest fear now is just are we back to, if you don’t play thoracle you’re trolling meta

[golden plover]

I mean, Thoracle is by far the grossest thing still legal

But it's not like dockside and crypt were combatting Thoracle

Decks that were playing Thoracle were also playing crypt and jeweled lotus

[glad peak]

Yeah thoracle is probably the biggest ban contender now, even though it was one before the list

On the bright side, blood moon is much much better so one of the thoracle lines actually has a cost (pact)

[golden plover]

True, dockside and crypt don't just invalidate blood moon now

[sleek ferry]

The crypt and thoracle bans are inconsequential. It’s more of the fact that dockside enabled these certain win cons to come as quick as thoracle. We still have decks that don’t need thoracle to win, like Kinnan and Magda, I’m more concerned for that next tier of decks

[glad peak]

I’m very scared of rogsi after the list though, they didn’t lose much

[sleek ferry]

Though it is fair that blood moon is now better

As is the merfolk one

[golden plover]

They unfortunately probably didn't hit Thoracle because it's a Cedh card and they're way slower on those

[glad peak]

Magda being good is pretty good tbh, very flexible deck but the weakness is it’s slower than other decks of its type

[golden plover]

Thoracle did need to go, but it's not like these cards should've stayed

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but Magda’s strength is also she can win on the stack

So her being slow is a small downside

[glad peak]

True and that’s why she’s a good top tier deck

What I’m saying is that she’s better now but I think overall that’s good for the format

[sleek ferry]

She was popping off pre Nadu tbf

Post nadu she fell way back to earth though

[golden plover]

Yeah I do think overall commander is gonna look a lot better tbh

[glad peak]

Biggest loser on the list is slicer

Magda losing dockside hurts too but I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as it seems

Well other than having to replace like 5 cards

[trail anvil]

didn't misty say magda actually likes dockside getting banned cause you'd just randomly lose games when you had a bunch of artifacts

[twilit canyon]

correct

this is a magda buff

[glad peak]

Oh wait how does ad naus change with crypt gone? It’s 1 less mana positive rock

Probably doesn’t change much, right?

[trail anvil]

I don't buy that this was casual alone, but I definitely enjoy these changes in casual. you always had the one person who thought these cards were fine for a casual table, get focused down and complain

thankfully the person who has this much money at my locals (that doesn't play in our designated cedh pod) is pretty bad at the game otherwise

[golden plover]

Fair, I don't think they were done just for cedh, but I think they likely did consider they'd be big there too

But yeah, there were a ton of people pulling these out at casual games and it was a HUGE advantage

[twilit canyon]

not much cus everything else is also slowing own

like all these changes really do is make things less super explosive

and more fair

i think the only ppl allowed to complain about this is korvold players and some of the fringe cedh decks

that were extremely cope

[trail anvil]

azami

[golden plover]

I'm allowed to be a little sad with Elsha

But not enough to really care

[zinc shard]

Oh I forgot to get the preorders on Arena

Damn

[twilit canyon]

this is the 1st set i got preorders for on arena in like 2 years i believe

maybe 3

i have been super hyped for dsk

[trail anvil]

it's got that early kamigawa vibe with the nightmares

the setting is cool as hell too

[stark skiff]

What really? Isn’t his girl in the RC?

[zinc shard]

yea set looks great, just thought it came ouyt on Thursday

First pack... must be a sign

[trail anvil]

well yeah but you don't mix work and relationships

[glad peak]

I was about to say something about spousal confidentiality but I forgot that was more for regulated markets and I don’t think they’re married

[zinc shard]

Huh not sure why they scooped /j

[zinc shard]

Beasties

[lusty trench]

Me at prerelease

[gritty nest]

The person I screenshot above said the RC is dead to them now

[copper pecan]

lol

lmao even

possibly even roflcopter

seriously though have these people never seen a banlist update before?

[gritty nest]

No

[zinc shard]

We want the RC to change things!

No, not like that!

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631288872814247968/1288199387138490449/20240924_140417.jpg?ex=66f450ab&is=66f2ff2b&hm=9d3c6f6860d9e5feb63cca3cb35322d2d61296b6327fcb27eecdc50d7c9b720e&=&format=webp&width=1440&height=397

[sleek ferry]

I would assume Olivia was against the banning given his Twitter takes https://x.com/bmkibler/status/1838253791730352600?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Brian Kibler (@bmkibler) on X

I feel like banning Crypt and Jeweled Lotus is a huge miss.

Some people like playing high powered Commander and these cards are part of that.

They are a rule zero issue, not a ban list issue, and to ban them and leave Sol Ring legal is just nonsensical.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 4:27 PM

[stark skiff]

What reasoning is this wtf

[copper pecan]

i see brian "don't call me brian "brian kibler" kibler" kibler isn't the one who showered

[sleek ferry]

I assume Josh and Jimmy are going to be saying the exact same thing when they drop their video tbh

Since command zone was like the biggest advocate of rule 0

[stark skiff]

Rule 0 is a load of shit irl.

[copper pecan]

if you still want to play with it then you can rule 0 it in

the banlist isn't targeted at people who like playing high powered commander

anyone who is familiar with the rules committee already knows this

[lusty trench]

He talks about this in the thread but his reasoning is legit "but I don't want to have that conversation"

BITCH THATS HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT RULE 0'ING THEM OUT

Except there it was you looking at someone in their face and going "please can you put your $350 dollars you spent away for this one"

[stark skiff]

This why I said rule 0 is a shit fallback

[zinc shard]

Went 7-1 in my first draft

[copper pecan]

i'm glad the rules committee is actually doing something about cards it considers to be a problem for once instead of just complaining about it and then doing nothing

[lusty trench]

If they buckle and reverse it I will legit never buy a magic card again

[sleek ferry]

I am too, but hopefully they stay consistent and this isn’t a 1 of and get scared of because of the reaction

[urban crane]

I think if they do that no one can ever actually take them serious again and wil become a bigger joke then they are already seen as

[golden plover]

Mystery Booster cube created

[sleek ferry]

Sir I can’t read it upside down

[lusty trench]

Damn they gave you the upside down edition?

[lusty trench]

I know I will, I'm gonna be proxying everything

[lusty trench]

Well anything that's not pennies

[zinc shard]

there ya go

[copper pecan]

if they reverse course now then nobody will ever take them seriously again

it's too late for them to change their minds

[lusty trench]

I just don't like the feeling that I have there's a possibility they will buckle to influencers and finance bros

[ornate cedar]

How many of these guys are sitting on cardboard jeez

[copper pecan]

i mean, they've never done that before

i don't think they're gonna start now

[lusty trench]

I legit had to read "wotc removed millions in cardboard equity" on twitter today

[ornate cedar]

I’m convinced anyone that is against this ban are speculators including competitive players

[sleek ferry]

In Josh and Jimmy’s case I’m like 90% sure they get sent product early by wotc themselves

[copper pecan]

i'm gonna be real with you, if your equity is in cardboard you never had it in the first place

[sleek ferry]

So idk how much they actually buy other than restricted list stuff

[lusty trench]

The secret lair system now says otherwise, they buckled to the scalpers because they make them money

[ornate cedar]

I have some tulips to sell them if they think cardboard is a good investment

[golden plover]

What's the p1p1

Here's a sample pack

[copper pecan]

the rules committee doesn't have anything to do with secret lairs

[lusty trench]

That's fair enough

[lusty trench]

Dear lord I have decision paralysis here

It's either dreadmaw or kitten for me

Probably kitten

[sleek ferry]

Uh I suck at drafting so don’t take my word for it, but I would archaeomancer’s map, spirited companion or kitten

[ornate cedar]

“Will some one PLEASE think of the scalpers!”

[lusty trench]

Me who managed to get a karlach lair

😎

[urban crane]

Il think of scalpers and how much I don’t care how much they get screwed over by the banlist

[lusty trench]

I care

Because it's funny when it happens

[urban crane]

Also fair

[ornate cedar]

Where is talks of ban reversals? I want to read some delirium

r/EDH?

[lusty trench]

R/mtgfinance or r/mtg

[zinc shard]

Shout-out to these legends

[trail anvil]

damn that's how you build a loyal customer base

[trail anvil]

that's wild. not to mention if you're having trouble getting people to rule 0 them back in, that's probably a sign they were good bans lmao

[lusty trench]

Honestly that's crazy

Good on them

That's 3x the actual refund limit date in the eu

(you can refund any purchase in the EU within 30days so long as the item is in the same condition it was sent in)

[ornate cedar]

Has anyone asked MBT what he thinks about the bans?!

Where’s Jo?

[lusty trench]

MBT is laughing at people complaining on twitter

[ornate cedar]

My man

[lusty trench]

He retweeted this

https://x.com/Oritart/status/1838597964501033416

Elaine (@Oritart) on X

Sorry, not sorry, not going to care about Commander bans because I grew up with a whimsical, nonsense ban philosophy in constant state of anxiety about the future.

Seeing the playset of Splinter Twin on my desk was my own "Jeweled Lotus" for almost 20 years.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 3:14 PM

Tfw you're playing a format with a banlist and cards get banned

[ornate cedar]

Couldn’t be me

hides SE deck

[ornate cedar]

Appropriate response to one of YT’s biggest clowns

[lusty trench]

You can tell who has played formats other than commander by their response to this list

[ornate cedar]

Or just other card games

Lorcana has yet to have a banlist yet

They’ve errata’d a card but not banned yet

[lusty trench]

It needs one but it's surprisingly not too bad

[ornate cedar]

I hope they take that better

[lusty trench]

Fox Mim needs to go

[ornate cedar]

Yeah, it’s just too meta warping for purple by this point

Like, most purple decks run the same exact engine

And part of it is because nothing as good has come along, but at the same time

Yeah, it’s a bit ridiculous that so many decks are still mainly sets 1 and 2 in purple at least

Either Lorcana needs rotation or a list or else their product will continue to clog shelves

[steady onyx]

no

i love my mim merlin engine

plus some of the bulshit red cards

lets just ban swords

and big tink

:)

[twilit canyon]

sometimes u have to flex on wotc staff

[lusty trench]

Bloody hell

[steady onyx]

wait

nbm

[ornate cedar]

Bucky did nothing wrong :p

[rigid scarab]

[[Cynical Loner]] on Jund Sac?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/89/cynical-loner

Cynical Loner <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Survivor
Cynical Loner can't be blocked by Glimmers.
Survival — At the beginning of your second main phase, if Cynical Loner is tapped, you may search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
"Thanks, but no thanks. I'm done with hope."
3/1

[rigid scarab]

Now they have to reverse the commander banlist

They have to force RC

[twilit canyon]

no

now they have to ban sol ring

ez though

[ornate cedar]

0 deaths!

[ornate cedar]

Congrats

[twilit canyon]

the deck was stupid as fuck

i wasnt even lacking playables

i could have done way better during the draft portion if i hadnt let some things walk

still, ppl were kind enough and i had cut off black so much that i got the spiders handed to me

and the weaver

[gritty nest]

So I have 4, maybe 5 decks I want to get rid of

[stark skiff]

Yeah I like Kibler so this shit take hurts

[trail anvil]

yeah I think a lot of us do, oof

a number of people I follow have been making shit takes

[lusty trench]

How do I see pins

[sudden lava]

top right corner you can see the pins

[lusty trench]

I'm on mobile

[sudden lava]

oh then I don't know how

[twilit canyon]

click the thread name go to settings

[lusty trench]

Ty chief

[fallow citrus]

someone having a bad take is whatever

[twilit canyon]

a good player having a bad take is excused

[golden plover]

Kibler has consistently had bad takes tbh

He's said stuff about how they should expand the reserve list prior

Dude is investment bro brained now

[copper pecan]

wh

what does he think should be on the reserve list

[gritty nest]

[lusty trench]

Seance should be on the reserve list

[copper pecan]

the reserve list has completely killed two of the three formats that allow cards from it, and the only one it hasn't killed is a casual format

[lusty trench]

[gritty nest]

Reserve list is comedy gold

[golden plover]

I think it's moreso "Expensive cards I own should stay expensive"

[gritty nest]

Can’t wait for duals to get banned and their price slash in half

[golden plover]

Probably partially why he's so upset they banned Crypt

[gritty nest]

[lusty trench]

I want there to be enough dual lands that are good enough to the point where the huge price increase to grab a dual isn't worth i- oh wait that's already the case lmao

[copper pecan]

wasn't a huge part of why modern was created was because they wanted to have a non-rotating format that didn't have reserve list cards in it

[twilit canyon]

it was

[copper pecan]

putting more stuff on the reserve list would make this current outrage look like a joke

[twilit canyon]

there is zero reason to when its largely agreed to be a mistake

[copper pecan]

but think of the scalpers

[sleek ferry]

I think you guys are taking it to the other extreme tbh. There’s nothing wrong with wanting your cards to have some semblance of value, pokemon juggles this extremely well, mtg is also good at this. Finance bros is a completely different monster than wanting your cards to not be worthless - yugioh style

[ornate cedar]

I think there’s a difference in mocking the people who are upset at losing potential value (not speculating, just normal players) and mocking people who are mocking casuals for wanting these cards banned, and I’m all for mocking the latter group

Like the people who are calling casual players “brats” or “babies” or whatever while ironically throwing a hissy fit

And Tim Pool just deserves to be mocked for the last seven or so years of content he has put out. The ridiculousness of his comment is just icing on the cake

[last glen]

I want cards to be worthless so I can get them for less worth

[gritty nest]

I don’t care if cards hold value

I only cared about their availability in the long run

It’s not fun looking at a turn 1 koma because your opponent shelled out for a crypt and grim monolith

[lusty trench]

I disagree with this mainly because people need to understand that once you turn your money into a game piece, that money doesn't exist anymore until you sell it

You don't have a card worth x amount, you have a card. A game piece. One who's price tag it fetches only matters when you move to realise it

You cannot be upset that your game piece lost its potential value due to the rules of the game it exists around

[zinc shard]

Busted

[golden plover]

This

[lusty trench]

To always assume you can just cash out your pieces is stupid

[zinc shard]

Went 7-2 second draft

[sleek ferry]

You literally can and it’s the biggest complain for Yugioh currently. Trading card games were created and were successful for 3 different factors; collectibility, playability and tradeability. Two of these whether you like it or not are based on value, two of these are currently completely absent from Yugioh, the #1 tcg in the world does all 3 of these well, and there’s a reason why it’s #1

[sleek ferry]

Double enduring ability is crazy tbh

You got them both as first pick in packs?

[zinc shard]

I believe so

Idk how I got so many bombs

It helps that Overlord of the Mistmoons was glued to my opening hand for most games lol

[lusty trench]

You can consolidate trading into the first two, as it’s an aspect inherent to physical property, you can trade basically anything for anything, as for the other two, playability is the vector that matters most when determining the value of magic the gathering cards. The exception to this is the reserve list, and that’s explicitly because wotc treated cards as though they were investments (which they and the majority of the people who play the game consider a mistake), the secondary vector is rarity/scarcity, mostly this is in very rare or exclusive treatments but generally the prettier the card board is the more value it has to collectors. Prettiness/rareness of a card can alone drive the prices of cards up regardless of if the card can actually sees play (see hidetsugu neons). When you buy a card that has its price affected by its playability, and the gameplay has a list of cards that that cannot be played and it’s known that list is up for alterations, it is the height of stupidity to expect your cards to not have the risk of being banned. Will it feel bad? Yes, but that’s how it is and it’s exactly what these players signed up for

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who bought these expensive cards and didn’t have the chance to play them before the list dropped

[glad peak]

I only feel bad for people who saved up months to get it and then it’s worthless now

For most other people I have no sympathy

[gritty nest]

This

[glad peak]

And I know a few people like that and their only response is “eh had it coming”

[lusty trench]

When I say “can’t be upset” I mean you’re allowed to be disappointed you can’t play your cards, but to act like wotc has personally ripped £100 out of your wallet is insane

[gritty nest]

Also

Yugioh is actually affordable now?

[lusty trench]

Yugioh is also an interesting point to bring up because they have bans like this that nuke value all the time

And the player bases reaction for the most part? “Yeah that makes sense cards were dumb”

(Unless it’s Konami hitting the wrong thing but that’s a separate issue)

[gritty nest]

I remember being a kid losing a $100 card in a week

Taught me to just be prepared essentially

[sleek ferry]

In WOTC’s defense, when the reserved list was created in 1996, trading cards literally only existed as investments. Sports trading cards have no playability and were solely collected for their rarity/value, this was their only baseline to look at.

There is literally no collectible hobby where people look at their stuff and are openly okay with their collectibles going to 0. Also Using Yugioh banlist as an example is dumb, as Yugioh uses their banlist as a “forced” rotation and to push product, no other tcg bans as often as Yugioh.

If you go out to shop for a household appliance, you don’t buy it, and when it breaks down within a year go like “oh well it was going to break down eventually”. When you go out to eat, you have sub conscious idea of what certain food is worth, you don’t think “yeah I’ll pay 10-20 dollars for a slice of pizza” and think that’s okay. Everything has a price, and everything is always judged on “did I get my money’s worth?”.

Also, I’m not even defending the finance bros mad about this, and as I already said, it’s not even the cedh players that are outraged by this, it’s literally the casual players, the ones who buy the actual product, WOTC’s actual bottom line. I’m not even saying reverse the bans, I’m saying learn from how this was handled, and handle it better next time, and as has already been said, make the list make more sense (dockside hit but no thoracle hit, crypt hit but then defending sol ring for being a staple of the format)

[twilit canyon]

how do you handle this better next time

[lusty trench]

My rebuttal to this is that once money has changed into anything else you must accept that you run the risk of losing value

A game piece that has its price determined by its ability to be played and especially how overpowered it is in a game that allows bans is one of the worst ways to expect to keep your initial money in

[gritty nest]

This

You got the card, regardless of if you plan to play it, or invest it

Knowing it can become worthless next day

If you’re upset about losing your investment, then I don’t know what to tell you

[lusty trench]

It’s not even like the cards are worthless

[gritty nest]

“Worthless”

[lusty trench]

Jewelleds are still selling for reasonable amounts

As are crypts

They’re lower sure but they’re not suddenly bulk

[gritty nest]

Their value slashed in half but yea they’re still valuable

And if you had the neon ixalan ones it didn’t matter to you

[sleek ferry]

Literally not drop an article a month ago that gave 0 indication you were even looking at fast mana bans

[twilit canyon]

so you want them to give heads up about bans

[sleek ferry]

Jeweled lotus’ were selling for $15 this morning, that’s pretty worthless

[lusty trench]

that’s a pretty good price for a card that can’t be played anywhere

[twilit canyon]

gotta understand that this is likely the 1st commander bans a lot of the player base has experienced

[lusty trench]

And my partners brother literally just sold theirs for £35

Post list

[sleek ferry]

Heads up? It’s just normal communication that WOTC literally gives us during their monthly banlists even when they don’t ban anything

[twilit canyon]

wotc doesnt run the commander banlist

the rc is not at all affiliated with wotc

[lusty trench]

A heads up about what they're looking at with intent to ban would also make cards lose value

[twilit canyon]

and then if they chickenshit around it and not ban it like they had for years, ppl would complain

[sleek ferry]

They’re still a representation of wotc since they represent the rules committee of the biggest format and biggest moneymaker wotc has

[twilit canyon]

theres no winning here and its worse for both

[gritty nest]

It’s a lose lose either way

[twilit canyon]

and the fact that wotc is so hands off is a good thing

[gritty nest]

I’m fine with the no call out bans

This chaotic energy is golden

[twilit canyon]

its not even chaotic

its the correct move

if you announce a ban announcement

[gritty nest]

It is but I mean the reaction everyone had to this ban

[twilit canyon]

you get ppl fearmongering and causing actual panic over the market

this would cause so much more harm than just announcing it

[gritty nest]

Yugioh 2 weeks before the ban date:

[twilit canyon]

• this is a totally casual format where you can rule 0 cards n

*in

like

if this was a competitive format

sure

[gritty nest]

And if the argument was

[sleek ferry]

If the market speculates off a simple line that says “we will be looking at limiting current fast mana options” and all fast mana crashes, that is also a good thing.

[gritty nest]

“It targets cEDH players!”

[golden plover]

Literally the only thing that would have changed if they announced it was players in the know would have sold off their copies

[twilit canyon]

but theres like, actual argument if you want, to rule 0 include cards bc doing that is so much easier

[gritty nest]

My response is

That’s crazy

[golden plover]

And players who wouldn't would have been scammed

[twilit canyon]

true

[golden plover]

Sidenote, it's crazy [[Altanak, Thrice Called]] is an uncommon

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/166/altanak-the-thrice-called

Altanak, the Thrice-Called <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Insect Beast
Trample
Whenever Altanak, the Thrice-Called becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, draw a card.
, Discard Altanak, the Thrice-Called: Return target land card from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
9/9

[golden plover]

That's a fucking rare

[gritty nest]

It’s easier for me to ask if I can use a card than me telling someone not to use a card

[lusty trench]

Imagine catching an insider trading charge over a card game that'd be wild

[gritty nest]

Unless I Counterspell it mid game

[twilit canyon]

kyle hill was telling us that none of the commander rc members were sad bc they had an idea of the ban but were not selling their stuff

[lusty trench]

That's such a nothing statement though

[twilit canyon]

so it is nice confirmation that they actively go against their own monetary interest

[gritty nest]

True

[lusty trench]

Especially when the committee gives specific examples of cards they're looking at

[gritty nest]

Can’t wait for duals to get chopped next so someone I know quits the game

I know they won’t get banned though

At least that’s what I’m thinking

[golden plover]

I'll buy their duals when that happens tho

Then I can play legacy

[lusty trench]

Ehh they're reserve list and played in legacy they'll live

[gritty nest]

They’ll maybe drop like $100 at max

[golden plover]

I think in the long run, most people will get over the banlist

[twilit canyon]

its better for the format

ppl are being such babies about it

[gritty nest]

I’ll be honest

[golden plover]

Oh 100%

[twilit canyon]

i myself lost like 300-400ish?

[golden plover]

The format is better now and people are being shitty

[gritty nest]

I’m taking a break from magic after this ban, not because I lost value or playability

[twilit canyon]

idr how much the lotus and crypt i had was

[gritty nest]

But because shitty lgs players

[twilit canyon]

and the dockside was around 90

[golden plover]

I lost like 200 but ehh

[lusty trench]

Game health should always be more important than people losing their monopoly money value

[gritty nest]

I mean

[twilit canyon]

i dont give a fuck tho lol

my sister legit lost like $6

[gritty nest]

I’ll take a crypt and lotus

[twilit canyon]

$6k

or so

[gritty nest]

I want one of each

[golden plover]

I wasn't gonna sell my dockside or crypt anyways

[twilit canyon]

she doesnt care

[gritty nest]

And I’ll trade staples or some shit

[twilit canyon]

i think anyone who cares was not in a financial spot to have been buying these cards or were idiots hoarding a ton of copies for no reason

[gritty nest]

Hoarding thinking they’d go up

[lusty trench]

These poor festival in a box openers is another party I feel bad for

Like damn they just got them

[golden plover]

Yeah, I feel bad for the people who opened a crypt or lotus

[lusty trench]

Oh well I'm sure border less/textured lotus and special guest mana crypt will keep a decent amount of value

[golden plover]

But ultimately, it's fine

[lusty trench]

They probably should've sent out thunder junction and modern horizon collector packs since they knew about this ban a year ahead

But ig they wanted to offload stock

[twilit canyon]

they only knew some bans were coming and honestly, if you got a years worth of playtime out of a crypt, ur fine

[copper pecan]

uncommons are allowed to be good

[golden plover]

Yeah but he's got a rare statline and effect tho

I know he's an uncommon for the beetlejuice dream tho

[copper pecan]

altanak isn't even that good in limited

[twilit canyon]

hes actually quite solid in this set

[copper pecan]

he's good but not like

busted good

[twilit canyon]

okay fair yea

[glad peak]

Altanek is what nadu should’ve been

[twilit canyon]

hes not p1p1

but im happy taking him pick 4-5

[golden plover]

Honestly pre-change Nadu is what Nadu should have been

[lusty trench]

That discard effect is surprisingly relevant too

[golden plover]

Especially if you can reanimate him

The real question now is: Would pre-change Nadu have eaten an EDH ban?

The answer is probably no?

[lusty trench]

What was it pre ban again

[golden plover]

It only did it's explore effect if the opponent targeted your guy

[lusty trench]

Oh yeah that would've been fine lmao

[twilit canyon]

and it flashed your permanents

i think it gets banned

[golden plover]

Nah, I think the flash isn't enough

There's plenty of ways to give permanents flash

[glad peak]

Flash in the command zone with more than 1 color is VERY powerful

But I think he stays

[stark skiff]

Can your sister take care of my Magic card buying addiction

[twilit canyon]

unlikely given she has her own + her wife's addictions

[trail anvil]

damn having an SO with an mtg addiction is goals

[lusty trench]

I got one with a optc addition, it's somehow more expensive

[twilit canyon]

my sister in law doesnt even play that much traditional formats

shes a nbl + canlander playe

*player

[trail anvil]

I'm guessing this is half in jest but duals are not worth hitting tbh

[twilit canyon]

actually she has my gaea's cradle actually

i havent gotten that back yet

[stark skiff]

lol I’ve heard how stupid it’s gotten

[lusty trench]

next set has 5 chase cards

[gritty nest]

It’s joking

[trail anvil]

all in all I actually think this banlist sets a good precedent

I feel like less people are gonna sit on fast mana as an investment because we've been shown it's bannable

[stark skiff]

I agree with whoever said that commander has gotten larger since the last list so many people this is their first commander bans lol

[twilit canyon]

that was me

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-7671266944006879250

[trail anvil]

when was the last list, lutri?

[twilit canyon]

hullbreacher

like 3 years ago

[sudden lava]

Gifs you can hear

[trail anvil]

jesus christ ikoria was released during the pandemic

time flies

[sleek ferry]

Still the best precons ever imo

[rigid scarab]

I said it too

[twilit canyon]

i said it louder

[rigid scarab]

wtf

[trail anvil]

lmao

https://x.com/JimTSF/status/1838696768676274473 was this posted here

Jim Lapage (@JimTSF) on X

Commander Rules Committee decisions are rarely unanimous. We don't normally disclose who voted which way, but we are making an exception.

Olivia pushed back against yesterday's change. None of us are above criticism but if you hate the bans, she was your voice in the room.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 9:47 PM

cause whoever said Olivia was probably against it was on the money

[sudden lava]

pretty sure was posted yeah

[rigid scarab]

Now I know why Brian was mad

Olivia probably told him that she was against it

iirc they're dating

[trail anvil]

ye

[broken fjord]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1838746559682679087?t=RKhIarlU3_QeJ9LXebSScA&s=19

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes) on X

New Modern combo! #mtg #mtgDuskmourn

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 1:05 AM

[trail anvil]

if you can make the opponent's altanak indestructible then you can make them deck out 👀

oh wait you don't even need to lmao, I just realized how that stack actually works

[twilit canyon]

yup lol

[gritty nest]

This was the first reply to that meme

[trail anvil]

but I like bumbleflower

and perch protection, and communal brewing, and tempt with bunnies, which also has one of the best card names in the game

[sudden lava]

tempt with bunnies is fun

[trail anvil]

it's even more fun when you get to ask the table "okay who wants bunnies"

[gritty nest]

[[tempt with bunnies]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/13/tempt-with-bunnies

Tempt with Bunnies <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Tempting offer — Draw a card and create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token. Then each opponent may draw a card and create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token. For each opponent who does, you draw a card and you create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token.

[twilit canyon]

things u can say at a furcon, an animal shelter, and an mtg table for 500

[trail anvil]

omg

damn revive goes hard as hell as a jump in theme

[stark skiff]

Honestly seeing her play Magic makes me think the opposite of what she thinks is the correct move

[broken fjord]

I don't like judging based on casual games. I know it's easy, but she's mostly there to entertain.

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B95XSFwMw0aGtP8gWl7QoA

Is there any decent Minotaurs I’ve missed in recent sets?

[golden plover]

Manifest dread was a mistake for the slow play that's already bad on arena lol. Now I have to wait for my opponent to review their 2 cards for 3 minutes

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/florkofcows/status/1838587890806169952?s=46

Flork (@FlorkOfCows) on X

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 2:34 PM

Might’ve already been posted but what the hell it deserves a second

[copper pecan]

now nadu can join uro and oko in the 3 mana banned simic card club

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/jfwong/status/1838597462791196933?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jimmy Wong (@jfwong) on X

Serious question, what’s the actual point of creating a Commander Advisory Group if they were blindsided by the ban announcements from the Rules Committee? Is it just an honorary title with no actual input on stuff that actually matters like the biggest ban announcement in YEARS?

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 3:12 PM

[lusty trench]

Bro wants to be on the committee so bad

You don’t get input jimmothy you’re an advisor, you get to suggest things but it’s up to the actual committee to make decisions and they can do things without telling you

[fallow citrus]

I kind of agree cause like

they don't know if anything they're giving suggestions on is even taken into account if there's no feedback, also would you not go "We're thinking of these bans, what do you guys think is it too harsh etc" as a second pair of eyes?

does seem pretty pointless to have an advisory group if they don't really contribute anything

[lusty trench]

Issue is we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, it could be they’re giving advice to the committee that they consider not worth actioning on consistently to the point where they consider their opinions valuable, just keeping them in the title because it improves company relations. It also could be that they were worried as content creators they could signal to their viewer base even unintentionally

[fallow citrus]

if they're worried that content creators might let it slip then again there's just no reason to keep them around

from what I'm hearing it just sounds like they exist for the sake of it

[lusty trench]

It very well could also justve always been an empty title as they’ve said yeah

[ornate cedar]

Do they get paid for being on the CAG?

Or is it volunteer?

[lusty trench]

There’s also the fact that if they had known, and they kept recommending cards or mentioning the stronger cards they might face backlash from their fanbase for knowing while still bringing them up

And if they stop brining them up it could signal what actions the committee are taking

I honestly just don’t think it’s a good idea to have content creators as advisors because of this

[ornate cedar]

Plus even more accusations of conspiracy and insider “trading”

[zinc shard]

https://x.com/PeepsYGO/status/1838918590927343839

Peeps (@PeepsYGO) on X

Regarding the MTG discourse:

If you care about the value of a card more than it’s negative impact on the game for the people who actually play it, you’re an investment bro. Lose your money and get fucked. The health of the game should always take precedent.

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 12:28 PM

[copper pecan]

based

[gritty nest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOQ9zb6tR7gfFueqY9bjoXz6sOvv34wIZXpl4u8DcDw/edit#heading=h.brylgls4ubsw

This was made by the RC yesterday to help answer some questions

[lusty trench]

"we wanted to make sure no leaks was paramount"

Yep there it is

[fallow citrus]

yeah no reason for that advisory team to exist then

if you can't talk about any real decisions with them because they might be leaked then there's no point them being there other than for them to look good

[lusty trench]

Good document overall

Incredibly well written

[golden plover]

This sure is a deck

[lusty trench]

Kona coming to bless everyone's draft pools

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[golden plover]

I was willing to throw the whole white core out for Valgavoth if I saw him

Tbf Kona reads "Your opponent either makes a bad trade or wastes a removal spell"

[sudden lava]

True!

[sleek ferry]

Agreed. Theres 0 point in a CAG if the RC doesn’t feel as if they can have open discussions in regards to possible bans without leaks. Or if you feel leaks are possible, than maybe you appointed the wrong people to the CAG

[urban crane]

Got cool pools

[lusty trench]

Solphim my beloved

[urban crane]

Yeah also really happy with the mondrak

[trail anvil]

pog those are huge

[urban crane]

Yeah cost me a lot though 14 packs

[trail anvil]

I'm getting the impression that the CAG is mostly there as a group to poll more than anything. they did get the group's opinion in a more roundabout way

[trail anvil]

well at least you made a good chunk of money back and got some good cards for it

[urban crane]

Also got elish norn yesterday

That was in 3 packs

[ornate cedar]

How expensive is Magic Standard format compared to YGO? With the announcement of Fuwa, I’m looking to switch to a game that isn’t as expensive to play competitively, and I know Magic has so many formats that there has to be one I can enjoy without burning through my savings

[urban crane]

Pauper

[atomic harness]

Hm the problem is standard paper play is really deadge

most ppl just play it on arena

Also I would just bite the bullet and play w/o fuwa, that's what I'm planning to do

[ornate cedar]

Is Arena more expensive than YuGiOh TCG?

For sure

[trail anvil]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper if you can find a locals that does it though here are some decks

arena can be done 100% f2p

[ornate cedar]

But I’m just waiting for the moment where I get pubstomped with it at locals

[atomic harness]

Hm yeah still quite pricey for locals irl wise. If you do wanna try standard I do recommend arena

f2p but you do have to grind for it

[ornate cedar]

You guys rock thank you

How is drafting?

Seems like a good way to get games and also keep some cards

[trail anvil]

in paper commander is the most common format, which can also be done super cheap

[ornate cedar]

As we have been discussing since Monday :p

[trail anvil]

drafting is fun but it takes game knowledge. I'd recommend doing it on arena first

[ornate cedar]

Ok that makes more sense

Thank you for the pointers, I’ll play Arena and see how I like standard

[trail anvil]

I'm ngl I wouldn't remember either way lol, I've been busy this week

[atomic harness]

did you like the bans kommers

[ornate cedar]

I already have a commander deck, so there is that at least

The Golgari Squirrel deck from Bloomburrow

[trail anvil]

ya

[ornate cedar]

And Bello but I’m a little bored of him

[rigid scarab]

I jumped to explorer instead of standard

[ornate cedar]

What’s explorer?

[last glen]

It's the digital version of Pioneer

[trail anvil]

another format

more cards in it

[rigid scarab]

Non-rotating

[last glen]

The two formats aren't exactly one-to-one, but are functionally the same

Pioneer is the less powerful nonrotating format
I don't remember the cutoff, but it's more recent than Modern
and (currently) only the Standard legal sets count for Pioneer

Although allegedly the first direct-to-Pioneer set is on its way this year, so....

[trail anvil]

it's not a direct to pioneer set, it's an anthology to catch up between the two formats

[last glen]

Isn't there scuttlebutt about a pioneer masters coming to paper?

[trail anvil]

pioneer masters is a digital reprint only set (first time on arena cards)

[last glen]

ahh

saved

[ornate cedar]

Oh yeah, isn’t pioneer a legacy version of Standard?

[rigid scarab]

Not really

Pioneer is its own alien of a format

[ornate cedar]

I heard that some people like it, I wouldn’t be opposed to trying it one day

[rigid scarab]

Pioneer is quite well liked by the community

Just a good 'ol nonrotating budget-ish format

[ornate cedar]

Ay that’s always nice

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/GLV798HGMKs?si=twDch3hYBoqEr1dV

[sleek ferry]

Pioneer is like the middle point of standard and modern

Unlike modern it doesn’t get any format specific cards, and like standard it is heavily affected by standard sets

[sudden lava]

New person on a doggo

[ornate cedar]

I hope Miracle Worker gets to pop off

[sudden lava]

and has vehicles ooh

[ornate cedar]

In the videos I’ve seen it’s just kinda there

[sudden lava]

Wait this is Iffy's first episode on Game Knights to, nice

[rigid scarab]

How does this work with Changelings?

[lusty trench]

It gets one instance of these effects

[rigid scarab]

Ah

So I scry 1 and it gets +1/+1

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[rigid scarab]

1984

[gritty nest]

[[Longhorn Sharpshooter]] [[Labrynth Adversary]] [[Hellspur Brute]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/132/longhorn-sharpshooter

Longhorn Sharpshooter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Minotaur Rogue
Reach
When Longhorn Sharpshooter becomes plotted, it deals 2 damage to any target.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/290/labyrinth-adversary

Labyrinth Adversary <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Minotaur
Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player it's attacking.)
Whenever you attack, you may pay . When you do, target creature can't block this turn.
It had claimed many lives in the Labyrinth before it met its end by Kassandra's hand.
4/3

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/127/hellspur-brute

Hellspur Brute <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Minotaur Mercenary
Affinity for outlaws (This spell costs less to cast for each Assassin, Mercenary, Pirate, Rogue, and/or Warlock you control.)
Trample
The last fool who called him "cowboy" earned a free ride to the bottom of Blacksnag Bog.
5/4

[gritty nest]

Thoughts on these cards for Minotaur tribal?

[glad peak]

Only thing I’d add is probably adversary

[sudden lava]

One instance of both because it is a singular creature

Same if its something like brave-kin duo

[gritty nest]

I technically have 2 outlaws in the deck for sharpshooter

[glad peak]

Sharpshooter might be fine just for the plot

Brute isn’t

[rigid scarab]

||Ok but Jimmy was clearly the threat tho||

[stark skiff]

Wow I’m so shocked that the joke title everyone in magic has (just by being semi popular mind you) is a joke.

[sudden lava]

Was a crazy epsiode

[stark skiff]

Ify in all the commander gameplays now

[sudden lava]

||That block deal though, always read the fine print when making deals folks||

[modern minnow]

intro to this ep is very cute

[sudden lava]

Magiccon Vegas October 25-27th

gonna have some game knights live

[gritty nest]

I tore apart 4 decks today. Got $300 worth of cards according to TCGplayer market price

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[gritty nest]

I’m going to use it for non magic stuff

[golden plover]

So did everyone get the wedding sleeves or was it random

[gritty nest]

What?

[golden plover]

There's a sleeve on arena that's a guy and his wife

[gritty nest]

Oh

[trail anvil]

this is why I'm very specific with mine

[golden plover]

https://fxtwitter.com/_pg8_/status/1839006250643730928

[glad peak]

Nooooo

The goat, printer paper

[lusty trench]

Not going to let this hide in the replies

[glad peak]

Well now that you mention it

[trail anvil]

hey the price of ink is pretty expensive nowadays

[lusty trench]

Should just get one jump ahead, you'll see how far you'll go, something something Mickey mouse detective

[golden plover]

Terrible deck idea

We [[Harmless Offering]] Altanak to them

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/emn/131/harmless-offering

Harmless Offering <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Target opponent gains control of target permanent you control.
"Such an adorable face!"

[golden plover]

So we can ping it with OBM

[twilit canyon]

verlisify was saved by tim pool

he no longer had the most shit take when in the face of tim pool

[golden plover]

What was versilify's take

[gritty nest]

What do you guys think of [[ulamog, the defiler]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/15/ulamog-the-defiler

Ulamog, the Defiler <:mana10:292901508851302400>

Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, target opponent exiles the top half of their library, rounded up.
Ward—Sacrifice two permanents.
Ulamog, the Defiler enters with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the greatest mana value among cards in exile.
Ulamog has annihilator X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
7/7

[gritty nest]

Yes

[twilit canyon]

as you can expect

[gritty nest]

What are some cards I can add to the tenth doctor precon?

[ornate cedar]

I like to call him Dim Fool :3

[sudden lava]

Wait, Verlisify did a take?
💀

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[lusty trench]

I’m listening to wubby talk about the banlist

He’s so fuckin stupid

Man actually called Sol ring an almost strictly better crypt

[twilit canyon]

it is... in super long games

[lusty trench]

That’s not why it’s being hit though

He’s now rambling about conspiracy theories

Dude threw out “I want to see the sales of the rules committee”

[golden plover]

I mean, sol ring should have gone too

But it's too iconic now

[lusty trench]

I don't disagree, but his takes were wild

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/uwL6w63kuv

Yeah that tracks

[copper pecan]

man, if i was the rules committee i would never communicate with the playerbase at all after this

the amount of death threats people are throwing at them is just horrible

[lusty trench]

And the doxxing

[copper pecan]

yeah that too

this behavior is going to cause way more damage to the game than the bans did

[ornate cedar]

Konami moment

Seriously though I had no clue people were sending death threats

That’s so fucked up

[copper pecan]

yeah

if i were a new player and this was one of the first things i saw out of the community, i'd probably quit the game right away

i wouldn't feel safe playing the game

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/mbtyugioh/status/1838819467452637664?s=46

MBT (@MBTYuGiOh) on X

here's a visual

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 5:54 AM

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/TeamAPS/status/1838966151281299494

Paul | Team APS (@TeamAPS) on X

I fundamentally believe that card games are meant to be played, not used as tools for investment and profits.

Twitter · Sep 25, 2024, 3:37 PM

[copper pecan]

based

[rigid scarab]

Seems like the expected response from the ygo community

Much more used to lists killing value in cards

[sleek ferry]

Considering the only thing Yugioh has is gameplay, it’s not shocking

[gritty nest]

Do I send this on the server with the dude who said RC should reimburse him?

[sudden lava]

do it

[sleek ferry]

Damn Azorius didn’t really get anything this set

[rigid scarab]

Deserved

[trail anvil]

[[exorcise]] is gas, trust

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/8/exorcise

Exorcise <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile target artifact, enchantment, or creature with power 4 or greater.
"Strictly speaking, you can't kill what's already dead, but trapping and disintegrating it is pretty close." —Garden, survivor technologist

[trail anvil]

I also feel like [[twist reality]] is at least worth trying

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/77/twist-reality

Twist Reality <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Choose one —
• Counter target spell.
• Manifest dread. (Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)

[sleek ferry]

Idt I want another 3 mana counterspell as long as 3 steps ahead is around

[trail anvil]

oh right

my boomer brain is taking so long to acclimate to big standard

[trail anvil]

man at locals tonight some dude was malding that his niv mizzet deck lost mana crypt cause he said that he built around it?

for some reason dude built a super artifact heavy niv mizzet deck, ran fabricate and everything

[broken fjord]

Fear of Imposters seems like a good rate for a counter on a body, tbh.

[trail anvil]

lmao yeah

[ornate cedar]

Ok guys, but with all due respect. How are you not prepared for bans at this point. It's a little ridiculous to not have a well thought out plan when reading a banlist.

[golden plover]

@lusty trench nah I take it back, Dissection Tools was 100% supposed to be a rare in limited

That shit is a bomb and it's SO HARD to answer it

[lusty trench]

My genius shows itself once again

[golden plover]

Fr tho, you can't win against it if they can start making chumps

It's [[Basilisk Collar]] that comes with a body and makes your guys big

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/241/basilisk-collar

Basilisk Collar <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch and lifelink.
Equip
During their endless travels, the mages of the Goma Fada caravan have learned ways to harness both life and death.

[sleek ferry]

[[dissection tools]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/245/dissection-tools

Dissection Tools <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact — Equipment
When Dissection Tools enters, manifest dread, then attach Dissection Tools to that creature.
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has deathtouch and lifelink.
Equip—Sacrifice a creature.

[sleek ferry]

I mean yeah, 5 mana 4/4 that trades up

[golden plover]

There's all of 2 cards that can destroy it in the set

1 rare uncommon, 1 green common

[modern minnow]

i mean theres several disenchants in the set but i think a lot are uncommons

[golden plover]

Oh wait the white one exiles

There's 3 total then

[modern minnow]

fungus too

[golden plover]

He's the green common

[modern minnow]

the tamiyo and nashi one

[golden plover]

Yeah it shuffles it

4 then

There's also 2 O-Rings I guess

So 6 if you count those

Still a scary card for limited

I was playing a very solid deck too

But went 6-3 because of it

[lusty trench]

I’m honestly surprised enduring curiosity is so cheap given similar effects at same cost are like £8 and it can come back

[golden plover]

Having 2 and 2 twitching dolls was fun btw

Sometimes I'd be drawing like 6 cards a turn

But [[Valgavoth's Onslaught]] is a real BOMB in limited

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/204/valgavoths-onslaught

Valgavoth's Onslaught <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Manifest dread X times, then put X +1/+1 counters on each of those creatures. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library, then put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
Tyvar and the Wanderer were done running.

[modern minnow]

i hate this card its so good

[golden plover]

I got to cast it for x = 7 once and that was funny

It's insane in limited

Even X = 3 is pretty back breaking

[modern minnow]

x=2 is nuts

even

[golden plover]

X = 2 is good, and X = 3 probably wins you the game

If you can get to X = 4+ you've won

[modern minnow]

its like hyper cracked doppelgang

[golden plover]

4 6/6s is gg

Hmm I guess we're in blue

4 mythics lol

I like this in theory

[urban crane]

Which of these would be good in Valgavoth

[urban crane]

No to sheoldred?

[twilit canyon]

removing counsel but adding rise ofthe dark realms is peak commander player right there

and yea its not the good sheoldred so shes not super worth tbh

[lusty trench]

The issue is the low/non existent amount of demons the deck actually runs, and because I don't know if hed actually get delirium often enough to make it not dead

Rise is a maybe just as a finisher if the game goes long but I doubt it's needed

[glad peak]

But very much yes to the good sheoldred, drawing a card with your opponent is

[urban crane]

We say bad sheoldred but wouldn’t call this one bad just less good tbh

[urban crane]

Yeah would love her but 💰

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/2ki0ayxd56rd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=747bae95908957dff7a4651c15df574930cf9803

Bonus card for the new Miku lair

That art is..
Not good

And again it's really not on the artist

She has a ton of good art

[lusty trench]

Honestly it's not too bad

It's just a bit eh

[golden plover]

Also, Flamecaller is a GODAWFUL choice

That's like a $0.20 card

Could it not have been ToD or Dressed to Kill?

[lusty trench]

I mean it fits because according to my partner who loves miku, no one likes meiko

[golden plover]

Both are sub $5

I'm honestly surprised ToD doesn't have a SL printing

[urban crane]

Heck could even been awakened inferno now that it has some use for Valgavoth

[ornate cedar]

Any chance they would make an RE universes beyond? I want a Leon S Kennedy commander deck

[glad peak]

No talks about it so probably not in the next 5 years

[ornate cedar]

:< I guess I can dream lol

[glad peak]

Also RE would be random but TWD got one so

[ornate cedar]

Ah, I guess a SL would be more likely

[lusty trench]

They usually talk about big collabs a few years in advance

[ornate cedar]

If they ever did that franchise

Yeah, I guess not then, oh well

[glad peak]

What were the leaks about final fantasy’s merch in magic again?

All I remember was something like 20+ playmats

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/KeGLxOf4D48

[stark skiff]

nice comander lineup

[ornate cedar]

How is Duskmourn compared to BB?

Is it being received well so far?

[trail anvil]

the draft seems nice and the overlord cards seem fun and potent

[ornate cedar]

Nice, isn’t there a draft mode on Arena? How long does a round take usually?

[trail anvil]

like for a whole draft? in my experience usually a couple of hours

[ornate cedar]

Dang so that’s probably best saved for an evening

[golden plover]

Draft seems very good

[sudden lava]

The precons are pretty nice

[golden plover]

I'm not sure about the full balance yet, but it's better than most play booster drafts so far

Green feels INSANE tho

[trail anvil]

you can stop playing between games and pick it up later

as long as the actual draft is finished you should be fine

[trail anvil]

honestly while I was playing I felt like I wanted exile effects the most given how many graveyard synergies and floats are in the format

[lusty trench]

There is a time limit though so don't leave it like weeks

[twilit canyon]

honestly every color and pair seems decent compared to each other

white and maybe red are a bit stronger than the rest

but every color pair/color has strong cards

[sleek ferry]

They did a good job not making the special guests too insane this set imo

Which is going to be the hardest challenge of play boosters going forward

[golden plover]

I'm only like 5 drafts in, but all three Naya colors feel good

And Simic feels strong with the right cards

[lusty trench]

I got a damnation at prerelease but couldn't play it because my black pool was a grand total of 4 cards

And I did not have the fixing

[ornate cedar]

https://youtu.be/de1eHAZsMYk?si=geNbaOChqMKgz76M

[golden plover]

Damnation would be great I. This draft tho

[ornate cedar]

Cimo has come to smack some sense into hysterical EDH players

[ornate cedar]

Oh that’s so cool! That would be great because I know my gf would be wondering wtf I’m going for hours on end instead of cooking dinner lol

[glad peak]

“Sol ring shouldn’t be banned because it’s iconic” is the same argument as “black lotus shouldn’t be banned because it’s iconic”

Unban black lotus you cowards

[ornate cedar]

Maxx C shouldn’t be banned because it’s iconic :p

*Pot Of Greed

Fixed

[trail anvil]

"iconic" isn't a real argument, "printed in every single precon besides 1" is an argument though

[ornate cedar]

Yeah, that’s true I’m just goofing

[glad peak]

True but the reasoning they gave that I remembered (they could’ve pointed out the precons, idk) means that black lotus, the most iconic card of magic, should be unbanned

[trail anvil]

[glad peak]

Also I’m kind of confused about JLK leaving CAG, the format’s closer to what he plays on his shows now, wouldn’t he be the first to be happy for the format?

[ornate cedar]

I heard he’s getting a lot of grief from crazy people like death threats or something

[sleek ferry]

JLK doesn’t actually support specific power levels, he’ll, if anything he prefer high power if you’ve been watching command zone long enough

Also, from what I heard yeah, the CAG is getting the blunt of the criticism

Despite them literally not having been consulted at all

In regards to the changes

And since most CAG people are some of the biggest content creators in the community

They’re easy targets

[glad peak]

I really hope no one actually follows through on it

Especially since I work very near where some of them live (not disclosing who or where)

[ornate cedar]

People are fucking nuts

[sleek ferry]

Nobody’s going to do anything, but getting constantly flamed due to a decision that wasn’t even yours to make, surely takes its toll on you

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zm0mqPz2Io

[zinc shard]

Bonus card for Miku secret lair

[sudden lava]

Jpop Gorillaz (See Prof's video) secret lair got a chandra reprint, neat

[trail anvil]

was posted already, but was this a starter deck card? 6 mana seems steep lmao

[golden plover]

Somehow no. This was an actual mythic you could pull in Oath of Gatewatch

[trail anvil]

oof

[golden plover]

This card came out in the same year as Torch of Defiance btw

This card got the comic-con slot OVER torch of defiance that year

This whole set of promos were godawful cards lol

[trail anvil]

why is she like that

[golden plover]

The theme was zombies

[trail anvil]

ah I see

[golden plover]

They got one of them right at least

The Last Hope is a very playable card

[trail anvil]

isn't nissa used sometimes

[golden plover]

She was a bit

The Jace was Unraveler of Secrets lol

And the Gideon was Ally of Zendikar

But back to Chandra, what's really funny is that they realized that Torch of Defiance was so good after 2016 that she was the promo for 2017 AND 2018

[trail anvil]

she stole all the power from flamecaller

[golden plover]

2017 was Egypt themed

So they're all hieroglyphics

[trail anvil]

side note, the "zombies with immense magic power" theme is really cool

[golden plover]

The Nissa was Steward of the Elements, Jace was still Unraveler of Secrets, Liliana was Death's Majesty, and Gideon was Of the Trials

Bonus promo was God Pharaoh Bolas

This art is SICK

Since he's actively destroying the hieroglyphics

2018's theme was stained glass I guess?

I dunno what the con theme was for that year then

Oh the general con theme was statues

And 2018 would have been Dominara

These promos are the best of the comic-com promos (and the most expensive) but they're also... Terese Nielsen

The stained glass character for each was the original Titan they're associated with. Jace is Urza, Gideon is Serra, and Nissa is Freyalise

Liliana is Bolas tho

[sudden lava]

13 bucks right now, ahhhh

[lusty trench]

Card be good

[sudden lava]

it do be good

card kingdom has it at nearly 5 bucks

[golden plover]

2019 was the last year for comiccon promos and they're the god eternals + war bolas

These are really pretty too tho

[ornate cedar]

I started looking at my squirrel EDH deck again and I’m surprised how much synergy there is out of the box

[lusty trench]

Woe, 17 squirrels upon ye

[ornate cedar]

Gonna look at what cards to cut later tonight

Definitely the planeswalker since it doesn’t really do anything.

In terms of making Squirrels, Foods, Treasures, etc

Definitely going to add more Squirrels and Rats

I’ll consider if Bat support in the deck is good enough to run it

Plus three tree city because it just has great synergies for the BLB types in general

[trail anvil]

the WAR styles were really nice

[golden plover]

I want a complete set but I don't wanna pay $20 for each of the shitty god eternals

And it's a shame Ilharg didn't get one

[trail anvil]

apparently everyone did get this btw, it was based on an arena team member with terminal cancer

[golden plover]

Ah gotcha. It's a nice sleeve and a good tribute to him

Her? I'm assuming it's the guy but it could be the girl in the sleeve too. Didn't know the specifics

[trail anvil]

yeah

[golden plover]

I'll use the sleeves next draft, they're nice

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1839385687457775796?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes) on X

Judge document updates for the IPG, MTR, and JAR. #mtg

Twitter · Sep 26, 2024, 7:24 PM

[stark skiff]

Worth watching or more qq

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zMA2Va5Wck6ZfbdH6RffYw

What could I cut for Demonic and Vampiric Tutor, and maybe Worldly Tutor?

I was thinking Harmonize as one of the cards

[stark skiff]

He's got good lawyers

[ornate cedar]

General Chatterfang is insane

I’m considering making him the commander instead of my squirrel deck

Just for the Forestwalk ability

Then again Hazel is a decent mana rock

What do you guys think?

Do you think one is more valuable than the other?

[sleek ferry]

Probably just keep hazel tbh

Chatterfang is better if you have a faster table

[ornate cedar]

Ah, that makes sense

If anything, maybe Chatterfang can be used to clean up

[sleek ferry]

Yeah. And as far as the funner commander goes, it’s def hazel

[ornate cedar]

This is so much fun just building a deck

“Building” lol

[lusty trench]

Fang is the stronger commander but hazel isn't bad either

[ornate cedar]

More like swapping out some unrelated cards

[lusty trench]

Fang doesn't really care if you're building squirrels is the thing though

If you're shitting out tokens that's good enough for him

[sleek ferry]

Being a sac outlet in mtg is just historically busted, hence why chatterfang is good

[lusty trench]

It's not even just that, the ability to add on to any token gen a creature is insane

Chatterfang has access to l00ps

[ornate cedar]

I see, so maybe Hazel for getting used to the deck/casual play, and then Chatterfang for more competitive environments

[lusty trench]

Could have it so you have a sideboard like package, so play hazel for casual and then swap out the more cute but not amazing cards for cards that'll help you in more powerful games and swap to chatterfang

[ornate cedar]

You can have a sideboard in EDH? I thought it was BO1

[lusty trench]

It is, but what I mean is instead of just swapping the commander you can have some cards set aside you can swap out with as well

[ornate cedar]

Ohhh, I see!

That makes a ton of sense

And it’s a good idea depending on the pod

[golden plover]

Ya know, with how shit a lot of recent drafts have been, I think it's really good how much overlap Duskmorn draft archetypes and mechanics have

Manifest Dread is perfect to pair with Delirium since it feels your graveyard and you can work on getting types in there

A lot of creatures also just being enchantments or artifacts helps too

[twilit canyon]

yea

and artifact creatures/enchantment creatures help that out

and theres a lot of cheap enough instants and sorceries worth grabbing

[golden plover]

Yeah, all the archetypes feel like they play well so far

[twilit canyon]

nothing stands out too hard

i have seen all deck colors so far really pop off

might be a bit early but...

best draft format in a hot minute?

[zinc shard]

Finding the little synergies between cards has been amazing this set

[golden plover]

I think Boros feels the weakest rn

But so far, everything seems playable

First in a long time

[twilit canyon]

only a little bit bc the deck is complicated and a lot of red and white cards are good everywhere

[sudden lava]

Watch the Jimmy Segment at 1:14 or so

cuz it's funny

[copper pecan]

i was expecting the izzet rooms archetype to be a lot weaker than it ended up being

[sudden lava]

thats really all I watched, up to the end of the Jimmy Segment

[trail anvil]

I feel like rooms are underrated on a bunch of draft tier lists, but I'm also not the most experienced drafter. pairing them with fear of isolation goes hard as hell

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon @trail anvil think I'm sticking w my funny goyfs... what's going on here

[twilit canyon]

ppl are bad

aka no removal

[trail anvil]

best of 1 has turned into either rakdos/monored or anti-rakdos

supposedly

[atomic harness]

Oh I see but some of them say they do run it but if they don't see it they lose

[glad peak]

I played a silly Magda deck with no stax pieces or tappers but only dragons

Turn 1 Magda turned sideways 5 times… bruh

No interaction from the table lmao

[gritty nest]

I want your guys opinion

I suspend [[worldfire]] in my tenth doctor deck

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m13/158/worldfire

Worldfire <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile all permanents. Exile all cards from all hands and graveyards. Each player's life total becomes 1.
Even the smallest spark may set a world ablaze.

[gritty nest]

How do you react

[sudden lava]

is there an arc blade suspended?

[trail anvil]

I kill you

[twilit canyon]

cast food chain and ask the table if they have an answer

[gritty nest]

Yea I cast [[all of history, all at once]] when it resolves

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/34/all-of-history-all-at-once

All of History, All at Once <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Time travel. (For each suspended card you own and each permanent you control with a time counter on it, you may add or remove a time counter.)
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)

[gritty nest]

Wait fuck

[[wibbley-wobbley, Timey-Wimey]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/62/wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey

Wibbly-wobbly, Timey-wimey <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Time travel. (For each suspended card you own and each permanent you control with a time counter on it, you may add or remove a time counter.)
Draw a card.
"People assume time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff."

[gritty nest]

Bruh

[[clockspinning]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/53/clockspinning

Clockspinning <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Buyback (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)
Choose a counter on target permanent or suspended card. Remove that counter from that permanent or card or put another of those counters on it.

[twilit canyon]

thats a dispel target

[gritty nest]

I cry

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

watching the video I actually can see their POV. the bans were good overall, it's just the fact that they dropped all these bans at once that makes it so controversial

[sudden lava]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxGB7qr_s0spg3iafxM5wG-aoiC91lP2ss?si=a21WPB1v4WCXvc6m

[stark skiff]

Rachel was fine. Josh though yuck

Here’s a code for y’all

[trail anvil]

eh I thought he was fine

[sleek ferry]

Josh was just speaking his truth

He sounded more hurt than anything tbh

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kvKQgCDkmUmkQ1kjpJwAPg

[stark skiff]

Forgot I had one more

Bless me @atomic harness @sleek ferry

[gritty nest]

Pull 3 fractures

[atomic harness]

Enjoy son

[glad peak]

Pull all the commons you need

[trail anvil]

pull all the overlords in anime style

man I want to talk to the wizards employee who thought the strongest color in brawl really needed mana drain

[atomic harness]

It's good kid

[trail anvil]

we don't need it, ban pls

[stark skiff]

No one asked for textured foils

[gritty nest]

Eat it

[stark skiff]

@atomic harness @sleek ferry @meager isle

[atomic harness]

interesting

[stark skiff]

These were all the foil pulls (and nonfoil Overlord of Hauntwoods)

[trail anvil]

that balemurk style goes hard

[stark skiff]

yeah its pretty good

but damn 2 collector boxes and no Valgavoth or MM2 lol

also no damn Niko (latest Command Zone episode made me wanna build it)

[trail anvil]

the one where ||josh got shut out for a lot of the game due to that demon?|| lol

[stark skiff]

yea lol

[atomic harness]

Nice troll kid @stark skiff

meanwhile ppl getting ftkd by [[leyline of resonance]] or losing by turn 2

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/143/leyline-of-resonance

Leyline of Resonance <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Resonance is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single creature you control, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.

[glad peak]

Wait how does the ftk work?

[atomic harness]

ppl in arena just straight up scooping the moment they see the card

Holy sickle-chan spotted

Oh dont show choccy this by the way he hates red

[trail anvil]

it doesn't actually ftk, but you do [[heartfire hero]] with leyline t1, t2 you do a pump spell to get it to 7 power. swing in, use [[burn together]] and finally ping them in the face with heartfire

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/138/heartfire-hero

Heartfire Hero <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Mouse Soldier
Valiant — Whenever Heartfire Hero becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
When Heartfire Hero dies, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/221/callous-sell-sword-burn-together

Callous Sell-Sword <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Soldier
Callous Sell-Sword enters with a +1/+1 counter on it for each creature that died under your control this turn.
2/2

Burn Together
Sorcery — Adventure
Target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to any other target. Then sacrifice it.

[trail anvil]

so 3x7 = 21 all done on turn 2

obviously you can't get that combo each game but there are 2 pump spells this works with, and you're just playing monored aggro anyways

[atomic harness]

Thank you komi

[meager isle]

Oh wow they all look so nice wtf

[urban crane]

What do people think of mondrak in knights tribal?

[golden plover]

This is the weirdest deck I've ever drafted

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1839511131955593662?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Robert Taylor🔥 (@fireshoes) on X

I went 5-2 with Mono-Red Ojer in the Pioneer Challenge tonight, for a Top 16 finish! 🔥

Main deck was from @WillErker's Duskmourn brews. Sideboard was hastily thrown together at the last minute, as is tradition. #mtg #mtgPioneer

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 3:43 AM

@atomic harness

I actually think most of this deck is explorer legal too

[atomic harness]

[golden plover]

It fully is

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/V61Qxo6c-Xo?si=ah-L8Sja2mkaVdkd

[ornate cedar]

I’ve decided to take a break from YuGiOh for MTG for now

Is there a discord for MTG you recommend?

[sleek ferry]

Hmm, I’m going to be completely honest, @gilded glade edh server is the nicest one I’ve seen