Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

[[mismoor]]

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No card found for “mismoor”

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[[mistmoor]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/23/overlord-of-the-mistmoors

Overlord of the Mistmoors <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment Creature — Avatar Horror
Impending 4— (If you cast this spell for its impending cost, it enters with four time counters and isn't a creature until the last is removed. At the beginning of your end step, remove a time counter from it.)
Whenever Overlord of the Mistmoors enters or attacks, create two 2/1 white Insect creature tokens with flying.
6/6

[sleek ferry]

Oh this works in a control shell yeah

[lusty trench]

With care takers out this also draws, crazy

People are hyping up the green one but I don’t see it

[twilit canyon]

domain enabler in 1 card

and its a 6/5 that ramps on etb and attack

t1 tap t2 up the beans, t3 overlord ramp + draw

you are at net neutral cards with a sunfall on the way t4

an upcoming 6/5 too

already drew a card + ramped

wyd

[subtle sierra]

once the counters are gone, does it have summoning sickness?

[twilit canyon]

nope

its been in play

so no reason for it to

[subtle sierra]

ic

[twilit canyon]

if you flicker it on the battlefield yes tho

they dont have haste baked in

something like [[touch the spirit realm]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/40/touch-the-spirit-realm

Touch the Spirit Realm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When Touch the Spirit Realm enters, exile up to one target artifact or creature until Touch the Spirit Realm leaves the battlefield.
Channel — , Discard Touch the Spirit Realm: Exile target artifact or creature. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.

[twilit canyon]

not this

i thought we had an enchantment flicker effect

idr what it was in standard

or if for some reason it enters with no counters on it, it would also not be able to attack. but otherwise yes they are all entering and the next turn, if the counters are all removed, they saw themselves enter since last turn so they can turn sideways

[lusty trench]

[[scrollshift]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/34/scrollshift

Scrollshift <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile up to one target artifact, creature, or enchantment you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
Draw a card.
Bim lashed out with the only weapon she'd never run out of: lecture notes.

[rigid scarab]

2-1 at prerelease

[lusty trench]

Marvel leaks

[golden plover]

Wow these are... Lazy

Kinda annoyed Iron Man is vaguely Cedh viable tho

[lusty trench]

I mean I don't even know if they're real

If they're not theyre really well done

[golden plover]

He's [[Oswald Fiddlebender]] in Izzet

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/28/oswald-fiddlebender

Oswald Fiddlebender <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2

[golden plover]

He does cost 5 as opposed to 1, but he doesn't have to tap for it

Also these are SLD prints, which is weird...

[sudden lava]

The leaks but I rotated them and didn't crop The Bald

[golden plover]

Wait... The color order is wrong

Cap is RWU as opposed to WUR

Same with Black Panther

[lusty trench]

Everything else though seems correct

[twilit canyon]

hope they arent real

these are lame and predictable af

[lusty trench]

Honestly if someone can read those artist names I can run a check

[golden plover]

Yeah the other wording is all correct but color order being wrong is... Interesting

[lusty trench]

For cap it makes sense

Not sure why for black panther

[golden plover]

Note that in the design article for [[Haunted Screen]] it states they weren't allowed to change the order to be RGU for the joke

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/250/haunted-screen

Haunted Screen <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add or .
, Pay 1 life: Add , , or .
: Put seven +1/+1 counters on Haunted Screen. It becomes a 0/0 Spirit creature in addition to its other types. Activate only once.

[lusty trench]

It's marvel money I'm certain they were able to break the rules for it

[golden plover]

So I don't know if theyd be allowed to break it for Cap

[[Guile, Sonic Soldier]] also doesn't get to break the rules

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https://scryfall.com/card/sld/434/immard-the-stormcleaver

Immard, the Stormcleaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever Immard, the Stormcleaver enters or attacks, put a charge counter on it or remove one from it. When you remove a counter this way, choose one —
• Immard deals 4 damage to any target.
• Immard gains lifelink and indestructible until end of turn.
4/4

[lusty trench]

It's strange because for how correct the rest of this is, getting those details wrong feels off

[golden plover]

Yeah, I dunno since it's a very off detail

[lusty trench]

Capcom would not pay extra to change guiles mana value

[golden plover]

It's a big bit with Guile tho that he's american

[lusty trench]

Worth noting though that this implies 5 individual lairs for these characters

[golden plover]

These could be NYCC promos

If they're real

[lusty trench]

They seem to be quite thick meaning a few cards in each too

[golden plover]

Yeah true, but could be multiple copies of each to hand out

Also, "Hero" feels wrong as a type line

Considering how annoying previous UB type lines are tho, I don't doubt it

Warhammer has typelines that only show up on 1-2 cards

[sudden lava]

Also surely these aren't the precon faces?

[golden plover]

And "Time Lord Doctor" directly breaking established typeline rules is annoying

[sudden lava]

I dont think these are real but if they are

I want to build Wolverine

[golden plover]

Oh wait, Black Panther's name box is Simic

They're either fake or there's a lot of QC errors for something they're handing out at a convention

[twilit canyon]

probs fake then

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[[helm of the host]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dom/217/helm-of-the-host

Helm of the Host <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a token that's a copy of equipped creature, except the token isn't legendary. That token gains haste.
Equip
Forged out of flowstone for the queen of Vesuva.

[sudden lava]

Prob fake, but wouldn't be surprised if it's a QC error

[sleek ferry]

I’m going to go with fake

[sudden lava]

As much as I want that Wolverine

[lusty trench]

Nah that's the lighting

The foiling on a white backdrop reflecting something blue

[golden plover]

Is it? It looks like a Simic crown to me

[lusty trench]

It's hard to tell tbh, iron man's blue is a lot darker than it despite being right next to it

I also don't know where this art is from

This is the closest I could find

Wait that black panther has Tyler Jacobson as a credit

[golden plover]

I could theoretically buy a set of these (the Facebook marketplace listing is $20)

Should I?

[lusty trench]

If you think it's worth the risk

[golden plover]

Imma message him and see, but I'm not too invested either way

Worst case scenario I lose $20

Best case scenario, the Pinkertons drop by my apartment

[sudden lava]

||btw the Iron Man can tutor sol ring using the treasure he makes :)||

[golden plover]

Oh these are real lol

The listing has the Chucky lairs

[lusty trench]

Can I get a link to the marketplace listing (I'm from the UK so I'm not gonna be able to get em but it'd be cool to look at)

[sudden lava]

Can anyone read the text?

[lusty trench]

Some sort of marketing materials with a copyright dating 2023

It's a company related to making marketing materials for restaurant and hospitality industries

Presumably that could be extended to convention materials

[sudden lava]

So could be a leak from Comic Con

[stark skiff]

The SLD makes me think they’re real. The actual Marvel stuff later will probably be better

[sudden lava]

yeah likely just comic con promos or something, we'll get even cooler versions in-set/precons

[waxen timber]

Anyone else's MTGA keep crashing? A few days ago MTGA started to freeze and crash for me on the start screen. Even deleting it and redownloading hasn't done anything

[golden plover]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1048143910013892

[gritty nest]

From left to right

Tyler ?
? Dura? (Take that with a grain of salt)

The last two I can’t make out

Also how good is [[Unstoppable Slasher]] ?

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/119/unstoppable-slasher

Unstoppable Slasher <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Assassin
Deathtouch
Whenever Unstoppable Slasher deals combat damage to a player, they lose half their life, rounded up.
When Unstoppable Slasher dies, if it had no counters on it, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control with two stun counters on it.
2/3

[copper pecan]

borderline unbeatable in limited, kinda mid in constructed

[glad peak]

People in my group are freaking out about it (for the wrong reason too)

[atomic harness]

True tummy ache

[stark skiff]

For something like Nightmare Shepherd, if you take someone's creature and it dies, do you get to exile it from opponent GY and create a token copy?

[urban crane]

I think so

[golden plover]

Listing got deleted, guess I'm not getting an iron man set

[golden plover]

Love when Arena asks me if I had fun in the match because it's never a good back and forth game. It's only ever on shit where I got mana flooded all match or they had every counterspell in the world

[gritty nest]

Understandable

I was originally looking at building a gruul deck for standard but might change it with dusk mourn out

[modern minnow]

commander rc actually did something wtf

[fallow citrus]

excuse me

https://x.com/mtgcommander/status/1838247466241544667

Commander Rules Committee (@mtgcommander) on X

UPDATE: Changes to the banned list:

Dockside Extortionist is banned
Jeweled Lotus is banned
Mana Crypt is banned
Nadu is banned.

Additional details: https://t.co/i85CTuZnLQ. or https://t.co/SYxWO31w8r

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 4:02 PM

[twilit canyon]

holy

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-announcement-september-23-2024

YOOO

Nadu is confusing

But the others are HUGE

[subtle sierra]

undefined

[golden plover]

Thoracle should've gone too ngl

Fuck I've gotta edit literally every deck I own lol

Fuck what does Cedh Elsha look like now?

We ran all those cards and multiple blink effects for Dockside

[sudden lava]

begone dumb pirate monkey

[copper pecan]

holy shit, the rules committee actually made good decisions?

[golden plover]

Yeah this is huge

Honestly all of Cedh is looking very different now

[rigid scarab]

They hope for "quieter updates" in the future

mf the past 2 years was silence

[lusty trench]

Me who sold my mana crypt and my jeweled lotus earlier this year

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-agatha-harkness-agatha-stand-up-gif-25367995

And my dockside too lmao

[twilit canyon]

yes

the only thing they missed was thoracle

[rigid scarab]

"Lotus and crypt bans I think are exclusively bad for the format."

what

[golden plover]

Honestly Thoracle is probably gonna be an egregious issue in cedh now

[rigid scarab]

"No, I think 5 mana turn 1 is good actually"

"Just play removal!"

[golden plover]

Since these 3 bans (and Nadu) slow everything down a lot

So Thoracle still getting a T2 (it's much harder to Thoracle Consult t1 now, but not impossible) win is a lot more egregious

[sudden lava]

they fried the bird, perfect

[copper pecan]

i wish they banned sol ring but i get why they didn't

[lusty trench]

Too iconic at this point

Lost caverns stock is plummeting now

[rigid scarab]

cEDH subreddit is fuming rn lmao

These guys HATE this list

[sudden lava]

good

[rigid scarab]

Talking about separate lists again

[twilit canyon]

nope

[gritty nest]

My friend is pissed that crypt is banned

[twilit canyon]

they are super split

its the biggest change to cedh in forever

and there's a lot of ppl who love it and those who hate it

its really funny to watch though

[gritty nest]

And someone else said the band are dumb because they’re self correcting issues

I outright said the self corrected by monetary boundaries

[sudden lava]

oh new SUAP episode is out

[rigid scarab]

Complaining about hits geared towards casual who apparently already rule 0 it out

Which no one did btw

[modern minnow]

i think the only bans that are self correcting in edh that matters are the bans that are effectively "banned as commander"

[lusty trench]

Aw fuck I just realised I have a Nadu commander deck...

Oh well hello tatyova

[modern minnow]

dont know enough about cedh nadu to say if it deserved a ban there

[lusty trench]

Nadu ban was very

[sudden lava]

who was the user on here that had Nadu as a profile pic?

[rigid scarab]

As far as I know

Almost all casual edh players will accept legal cards as is

[lusty trench]

I get non deterministic combos and all that but like if you're gonna hit that please also hit krark

[golden plover]

Honestly I just wanted thoracle to die too

[lusty trench]

Because that has the thing of having to wait for coin flips/dice rolls

[rigid scarab]

Its good for the lists to force regulation on pickup games which are getting more and more common

[modern minnow]

would be down for a thoracle hit

[twilit canyon]

remove thoracle's knees

[lusty trench]

Remove her fins

[gritty nest]

MLD
Other kitchen table rules

[sudden lava]

because that user deserves a hug, must be devestating for their birb to be hit (as much as the birb deserves it)

[rigid scarab]

Dunk her in oil and chicken feathers

[rigid scarab]

Choccy

[twilit canyon]

true

[lusty trench]

Commander committee got too pressed by us making fun of them for doing nothing

bully them more

[rigid scarab]

Its also

Really funny

How they built Nadu for commander

[copper pecan]

it's kind of ridiculous that mana crypt was ever legal, it's literally free ramp

[rigid scarab]

Only to ban him immediately

In commander

[modern minnow]

ye mld is another one

[copper pecan]

like it's such an egregiously broken design

[modern minnow]

i will say i think theres only like 2~3 unbans in commander that would actually make the format more fun

[lusty trench]

Woke up and went "shit did we not ban dockside already?!"

[copper pecan]

the only card that is currently banned in commander that i think should be unbanned is [[sylvan primordial]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/136/sylvan-primordial

Sylvan Primordial <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Avatar
Reach
When Sylvan Primordial enters, for each opponent, destroy target noncreature permanent that player controls. For each permanent destroyed this way, search your library for a Forest card and put that card onto the battlefield tapped. Then shuffle.
6/8

[lusty trench]

This is banned?

[copper pecan]

yes

[lusty trench]

I get it's like a bit of a bitch if they reanimate it but like

[copper pecan]

presumably for blink reasons

[lusty trench]

Ah

[modern minnow]

i would like recurring nightmare back might be too over the line

[lusty trench]

I mean there's easier things to flicker for more outcome and it still gives them a board

[modern minnow]

kinda want gifts too tbh

good emrakul would be nice too tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah nightmare and gifts are fine

There's a couple others too

Prophet is okay

I personal want Paradox Engine back, but it's not gonna happen

[rigid scarab]

Wait

[golden plover]

Wait right [[Braids Cabal Minion]] is still banned for some reason

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/273/braids-cabal-minion

Braids, Cabal Minion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Minion
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player sacrifices an artifact, creature, or land.
"Home is where you can find a decent graveyard and strangers can disappear without awkward questions."
2/2

[golden plover]

Braids is totally fair

[rigid scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020928983883325522/1267867861922091008/Screenshot_2024-07-30_at_11.33.37_PM.png?ex=66f2dbf6&is=66f18a76&hm=5b62055378f46005d4c75457ef29e97016880c582532595ab61501446f2a7d32&

Here

This is my list

[modern minnow]

braids is so fair but i think it doesnt improve the format

library im not into solely for price

[rigid scarab]

Half these cards are a trillion dollars

[lusty trench]

Reserved list probably should just go tbh

[golden plover]

[[Biorhythm]], [[Sway of the Stars]], and [[Coalition Victory]] are like totally fine too ngl

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https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/231/biorhythm

Biorhythm <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Each player's life total becomes the number of creatures they control.
"I have seen life's purpose, and now it is my own." —Kamahl, druid acolyte

https://scryfall.com/card/bok/54/sway-of-the-stars

Sway of the Stars <:mana8:292901508830330880><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Each player shuffles their hand, graveyard, and all permanents they own into their library, then draws seven cards. Each player's life total becomes 7.

https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/91/coalition-victory

Coalition Victory <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
You win the game if you control a land of each basic land type and a creature of each color.
"You can build a perfect machine out of imperfect parts." —Urza

[lusty trench]

I don't like even led being legal

[modern minnow]

yeah if rl explodes then library is fine

[modern minnow]

ye but i would argue none of these make the format better

[golden plover]

Oh for sure, but there's more annoying wincons than any of them

[modern minnow]

theres a bunch of unbans that make sense by barely impacting the format

ye not disagreeing with that

[rigid scarab]

But why do we need more is the question

[modern minnow]

sway is kinda funny tbh

[twilit canyon]

rofellos cannot come off. everything in probs shouldnt besides golos cannot come back. prime time and primordial are also probably shouldnt come off

[rigid scarab]

Dockside and Jeweled Lotus marks 2 more cards joining Hullbreacher as cards made for Commander banned for Commander

3 if you count Nadu

[golden plover]

Wild that Nadu was a mistake because it was designed for commander and then it got banned there ASAP

[modern minnow]

random question but is prime time > dockside

[golden plover]

Nadu's 2/2 baby

[golden plover]

Nah, Prime is a lot costlier upfront and flickering it isn't as impactful

[modern minnow]

fair i remember dockside being legal being the main reason people defended prime

[golden plover]

Prime could come back ngl

But it's not because of dockside

[gritty nest]

What do you guys think of the bans

[golden plover]

1 land per flicker is a lot less than 6+ treasures

I think overall the bans are good, but it's gonna require a lot of rebuilding cedh decks

[modern minnow]

overal positive

i do not seriously play cedh though

[rigid scarab]

I saw cedh as "Taking current EDH as far as possible"

So Im not really pepped up over "This is bad for cedh"

[twilit canyon]

this is a net positive for cedh and some of them are crying about it

lol

[golden plover]

Yeah, I think it's a good change for cedh

Will slow down game wins overall

But it's also a change that's gonna take a lot of getting used to

[gritty nest]

My friend is pissed that crypt is banned, still

They don’t play cEDH I think, but they play with crypt/duals against people who can’t afford them

[golden plover]

Yeah that sucks for them lol

Hmm are we playing [[Artificer's Intuition]] in cedh Elsha now?

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https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/23/artificers-intuition

Artificer's Intuition <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
, Discard an artifact card: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value 1 or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.

[twilit canyon]

urza's saga

[rigid scarab]

God some of the cedh community is entitled as shit aren't they

I don't see how you can ever be mad at this

Let alone this level of pissed

[last glen]

poggers
are there overreacting discourse videos out yet

[golden plover]

We're already on Urza's Saga

We've gotta replace like 7 slots

(Dockside, Crypt, Lotus, and 4 blinks)

[gritty nest]

“I’m going to send the rules committee an invoice for the amount they made me lose”

[golden plover]

Elsha probably runs a lot more artifact tutors
Ghen just throws in 2 new stax pieces
Roghark Yoshimaru runs 2 more swords of or whatever
And I guess Thrasios Jeska is dead?

[twilit canyon]

elsha stax

i think

[golden plover]

Temur's Food Chain Combo is probably non-existent now

I think Elsha can just run a little bit more removal in the main and some tutors and live

Everything else is slower now too

Elsha isn't struggling too hard

But I do think Temur Food Chain doesn't make it now

[twilit canyon]

good

remove ppl from cope

the only viable food chain was sultai

4c and 5c

[golden plover]

Yeah, I did enjoy Temur Food Chain tho

But I'll probably guy Thrasios/Jeska for parts until I know 100% what my replacements in Elsha/Ghen are

Ghen just runs 2 new stax pieces

Ghen doesn't care a ton

[atomic harness]

Holy

[golden plover]

Am I seriously considering [[Tezzeret the Seeker]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/62/tezzeret-the-seeker

Tezzeret the Seeker <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tezzeret
+1: Untap up to two target artifacts.
−X: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
−5: Artifacts you control become artifact creatures with base power and toughness 5/5 until end of turn.
Loyalty: 4

[meager isle]

He’s a decent artifact tutor

[golden plover]

He's 5 mana tho

[meager isle]

For 4 mana artifact

[modern minnow]

Have seen at least one deck play it as a worse 5 mana ring

[meager isle]

Can even grab one ring

[golden plover]

He's either ring or top or helm ig

[lusty trench]

damn

[ornate cedar]

What Duskmourn precons are you all getting?

If any

[gritty nest]

I got jump scare and miracle worker on the way

[ornate cedar]

Nice! Miracle Worker looks like a lot of fun and it’s the one I’m considering

[gritty nest]

It’s apparently mediocre out of the box according to my friend, but they also played it poorly their first go around

[sudden lava]

Never punished

[ornate cedar]

Nice I heard that one has a lot of value

[ornate cedar]

The Professor from Tolarian said it’s pretty decent out of the box, but I haven’t seen any practice games yet. I was gonna put on some of those in the background to make a better decision

[gritty nest]

I’m taking Jump Scare and turning it into Sultai with [[Kadena, Slinking]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c19/45/kadena-slinking-sorcerer

Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Snake Wizard
The first face-down creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Whenever a face-down creature you control enters, draw a card.
"The only constant in life is the unknown."
3/3

[ornate cedar]

Ooh interesting

[sudden lava]

The markups on endless punishment were insane when we got info on it, so me preordering it on Amazon early (so they only charge the 50) ended up working out for me

[ornate cedar]

One of the few times Amazon may work out

I’ve heard a couple examples of bad luck on Amazon so I’ve been avoiding ordering stuff on there, even sealed product

[sudden lava]

and getting it only 3 days (unless Amazon delivers it slightly earlier) after release date means I wont have to wait that long to get some games in ❤️

[gritty nest]

My friend preordered 6 months in advance on Amazon and got her order cancelled

[ornate cedar]

Ouch

[gritty nest]

Because they were on back order

[lusty trench]

There’s also people who order a deck, swap out the cards repack and then return it

[ornate cedar]

I still need to bring my Squirrel deck to locals

Haven’t gotten to play it yet

[sudden lava]

red marks= days after release where I can play commander

[ornate cedar]

Ah nice you have two days a week

[sudden lava]

yup thursdays and saturdays

[ornate cedar]

I need to find an additional LGS that hosts Magic nights, their casual EDH is the middle of the day on Saturday before YuGiOh

CEDH is Tuesday night probably because it’s faster lol

[sudden lava]

I do need to pick up a razorkin needlehead for the deck, otherwise I have my upgrades ready

[ornate cedar]

Do you have a specific group you follow for upgrade guides or do you just use your own Magic knowledge?

I’m not nearly nearly nearly familiar enough to use my own knowledge and I’m looking for guidance

[sudden lava]

bit of both, I watch stuff like command zone but I also look at every card as they are being revealed and apply my own magic knowledge to assess if the card could fit into a deck I have/plan to build

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc73b963-23c0-46d2-853a-34a8b463994e.jpg?1726286422

[lusty trench]

Razorkin is such a dumb card in the deck

[ornate cedar]

Damn this is cool

There should be something like that in YGO where drawing causes you to lose life

[ornate cedar]

Ok, I’ll check out command zone as a starter

Thank you!

[sudden lava]

You're welcome

https://youtu.be/RfnOeHj9c7w

[ornate cedar]

Ohhh I’ve seen these before then!

I watched their Bloomburrow videos

[lusty trench]

No mention of eidolon of the greatrevel? the ixalan god?

[sudden lava]

loved this reprint, cant wait to cast them in a match

[copper pecan]

when the

when the god is of slaughter

amogis

[gritty nest]

Anyone want to help me make a cEDH deck

[golden plover]

Lmao I love seeing all the investment bros complaining they're down thousands now

[copper pecan]

i simply would not spend thousands on cardboard

there's this thing called "the stock market"

[twilit canyon]

i owned a jlo and a crypt and dockside

who fucking cares

that money was wasted money anyways

[lusty trench]

My friend is malding about it

[twilit canyon]

maybe not a good idea to spend non-disposable income on cardboard

[broken fjord]

Have all the cards that were just banned, too. Good riddance to them.

[gritty nest]

I want an ixalan crypt is all tbh

[broken fjord]

Way more affordable now at least

[pulsar talon]

WE POPPING A CHAMPAGNE TO CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF THE COLOR RED

[broken fjord]

Underworld Breach is still really good

But fuck dockside. Glad it's gone.

[fallow citrus]

is all you do hate red

[lusty trench]

Generational hater I respect it

[golden plover]

Yeah I sold my lotus before this

And I still had a dockside and a crypt

But this is why I proxy shit lol

Also, at least in my case, I wasn't planning on selling my dockside or crypt

So it's money I wouldn't have gotten back either

[ornate cedar]

Did a banlist release for EDH?

[pulsar talon]

Yes

[ornate cedar]

Saw a game with the DSC precons and Miracle Worker was dead the whole time. Gonna see a few more before deciding, but I may got for the Simic deck instead

[pulsar talon]

Not all i do

[ornate cedar]

Ooh, nice! Did Dockside get banned?

[pulsar talon]

But it is most of what i do

Yes

[ornate cedar]

HOLY SHIT

[ornate cedar]

DAMN

Mana Crypt too

Nadu makes absolute sense

[fallow citrus]

it just brings the same energy as people hating blue for being blue

when does duskmourne drop? this week?

[glad peak]

Woo good banlist

[rigid scarab]

But mudkip I thought it was an attack on cedh players

[glad peak]

So? Good banlist is good banlist

Be like good cedh players and adapt

[rigid scarab]

Nope

I will propose a format split

Bc I dont wanna

[glad peak]

Ok and we have cedh in 2 formats now

Cedh and ccedh

[fallow citrus]

nah we call it scedh

super competitive edh

[glad peak]

Nah the second one was competitive casual edh

[fallow citrus]

[lusty trench]

Legit I encourage members of the cedh community who dislike this to, if they feel these bans are egregious enough, branch off and make their own format

[glad peak]

Now if only the rest of the edh banlist was as good

[gritty nest]

Genuinely thinking about selling my collection

[glad peak]

Wait wut

[golden plover]

But they didn't even hit Thoracle

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYLOM05aYAAAWvw?format=png&name=small

[golden plover]

How can it be a good cedh banlist without it lol

[sudden lava]

Bird= Nadu players

[gritty nest]

Toxic local community

There was talk of undermining the banlist in the local group

[golden plover]

I doubt it'll actually last tbh

[glad peak]

People will adapt

They always do

[gritty nest]

The banlist or the undermining?

[trail anvil]

when was the last crypt reprint, the ink treatment?

I feel kinda sorry for people that dumped a ton of money into cards like that and jeweled lotus oof lol

especially after a drought of banlists like this

[gritty nest]

Lost caverns of ixalan for Crypt

Commander Masters for Lotus

[glad peak]

Yeah they’re the ones I have some sympathy for

[gritty nest]

And 2XM? For Dockside

[ornate cedar]

At least Nadu was only $2

[gritty nest]

I feel bad for people who need money, friend of mine had a crypt they’ve been saving in the event they needed money in an emergency

[glad peak]

But what has to be done had been done (not all of it of course) and it’s a good step

[gritty nest]

I don’t feel bad for investment bros/pub stompers

[trail anvil]

I expected and welcomed the nadu ban, and the dockside ban made huge sense to me too. crypt and lotus felt a bit more wide reaching and unfortunate, crypt especially

[gritty nest]

If the long and short was accessibility issues for crypt and lotus, I can see why if people can’t self regulate

[golden plover]

There's someone out there who bought festival in a box and pulled a crypt and a lotus

I know this because 2 of my friends pulled lotus, 1 pulled a crypt, and 1 pulled both

[trail anvil]

oof

also wait how did thoracle dodge the banhammer

[golden plover]

Yeah Thoracle should've died

[sleek ferry]

Imma be honest

Why the fuck did we ban mana crypt or jeweled lotus before thoracle

[lusty trench]

It’s kinda fucked they waited till after commander masters and lost caverns to do the ban

[trail anvil]

come to think of it was jeweled lotus the problem? I thought it favored more expensive commanders/ones with more monocolor pips

[trail anvil]

maybe they were told by wizards?

[lusty trench]

It’s possible

[golden plover]

Jeweled Lotus is a fucked card

So is Crypt

I get their logic

But Thoracle needed to go too

[golden plover]

You could do shit like t2 a 5 mana commander as long as they're in 2-3 colors

Or t1 a 4-5 mana commander in 1-2 colors

[trail anvil]

ye I understand that much

[golden plover]

It's not the most egregious thing, but it could be a lot

[lusty trench]

There's also the fact that a lot of things in the format finds them

[copper pecan]

can't believe nadu players are gonna have to switch to tiny leaders

[trail anvil]

that's probably why I've seen people say this ban will hurt decks like niv

I'm sure dockside didn't help either but that one seems much different lmao

[glad peak]

Yep niv is heavily affected but they didn’t play crypt so they’re less affected by this than some decks

[trail anvil]

I'm sure this list helps all the people saying "no fast mana" in their regular edh pods

[sleek ferry]

dockside + jeweled lotus + many crypt ban all hurt high cmc commanders

which is why I question the last 2 getting banned

do we just want the meta to be roksai/blood pod etc

[golden plover]

They don't want the "meta"

That's the whole point

Fast mana has sped up the game too much and shut out a lot of games

[fallow citrus]

thugs has a point cause now it just sucks to play a high cmc commander

so it'll homogenise the meta even more

[twilit canyon]

as opposed to the meta homogenizing more around the cheap commanders cheated out even faster through crypt and jlo

i semi-understand the argument but its so easy to ignore because of the problem being that a lot of cheap commanders abused the hell out of these cards way better than any expensive commanders ever did

and if the meta slows down, they didnt end up caring bc if they were reasonable cards, they would be playable afterwards

[fallow citrus]

I mean also valid, it goes both ways

[lusty trench]

Shit now I need another problem card to point and complain the committee sn't doing it's job

[fallow citrus]

thoracle

[lusty trench]

Can't just be thoracle I can't live in a world where the commander committee is one ban away from a much healthier format

[fallow citrus]

don't worry that one ban will happen in 5 years

[lusty trench]

thank god I need to be able to complain at all times

Honestly considering taking a step back from magic for a while because of how sweeped into the negativity I get, still gonna play it just won't get invested in new sets and such

[gritty nest]

What’s the best way to categorize your collection digitally?

[lusty trench]

Categorise? As in logging or do you want actual catagories

For logging you can use basically any deck building website, because they let you save whilst over deck limits, only downside is doing it manually

There are some apps that let you scan your cards but idk how reliable they are

As for catagories

Sub types in colour order

[gritty nest]

Logging, to sell

[lusty trench]

Might be able to list them on tcg player while having a moxfield log of your cards

[gritty nest]

I don’t want to do TCGplayer

I just want them gone

I’ll use Facebook groups or the mass mtg server im in

[lusty trench]

Aight fair enough

[sleek ferry]

Yes, this was a trade off for making said commanders playable

Now, I have a hard time justifying anything above 4 cmc in cedh

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ziBxeLqiSUuruSlg7QZLQg

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RoiJ2aK9tEyK-pkS8q4Tjg

These are two decks getting torn apart or sold by the end of the week

[golden plover]

Made my cedh cuts

I just didn't bother with Thrasios Jeska because dockside dying does kill Temur Food Chain

[twilit canyon]

why?

if it was a good card, it would have seen play anyways

ie: kenrith

kraum

they will both still see a lot of play because they were both insanely good commanders

you now no longer can t1 jeska and storm off that same turn

woe

or t1 sisay

and snowball

same with najeela

this is good

for the format

[golden plover]

Yeah, overall this is a good change

[polar lake]

im just here to see the fireworks

[golden plover]

Although now my proxies are mismatched

So I'm clearly mad

[trail anvil]

does red fall a bunch in value with dockside ban?

[golden plover]

Yeah, honestly

[rigid scarab]

A lot

[golden plover]

Red was hard carried by Dockside, Jeska's Will, and Breach

[lusty trench]

Swat wasn't bad either

Not worth the colour dip by it's own though

[twilit canyon]

breach and j will are still legal

losing dockside sucks but it means you are no longer playing so far behind because you arent on red

[trail anvil]

ic

[sleek ferry]

Thoracle decks also just got way better

Getting to that 7-9 mana threshold for certain win cons dockside enabled just became so much harder

Maybe we cope on Vivien now

Or worse, worldgorger

[stark skiff]

me who was going to buy those two

https://tenor.com/view/genius-shit-snoop-dogg-phat-tuesdays-thats-genius-its-genius-gif-24914106

[lusty trench]

Hell I think I also sold my dockside too

Funniest shit is it was barely over 30 days ago too so they can't refund it on me either

[stark skiff]

Jump Scare, Golgari, and maybe Rakdos if i find it for cheap.

[lusty trench]

It's funny how miracle worker has the most expensive new card yet barely anyone wants it

[twilit canyon]

yea that wasnt healthy tho

surely u cant be suggesting that it was okay for ppl to consistently fire off pita with protection turn 3?

[sleek ferry]

No def not

I’m just saying non thoracle decks are going to have growing pains

[twilit canyon]

idts

i think ppl have to get used to it again

but there was a time before dockside

and without jlo

and expensive commanders were viable without them

[sleek ferry]

There’s certain decks that don’t care about this list, and those decks were already some of the best in the format; Najeela, Kinnan, Codie

I was going to say Magda, but this is probably a decent Magda nerf

[twilit canyon]

buff

imagine ur magda

u shit out a ton of artis

and ur opp docksides you

its game ending

and magda didnt care about jlo or crypt a ton

[ornate cedar]

From the videos I’ve seen, Miracle Worker is just too slow compared to Simic which just stomps the competition

Granted I may need to see more videos, and Simic precon also has the least amount of removal/interaction

I may just get both Miracle Worker and Jump Scare at the end of the day

[clever sun]

This is the happiest I've been to lose over six thousand dollars

What a GOATED banlist

[gritty nest]

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm

[clever sun]

If only they took Sol Ring and Thoracle too

It would have been PERFECT

[clever sun]

No sarcasm

[gritty nest]

~~you should send RC an invoice for the amount you lost like someone else I know is doing ~~

[clever sun]

The amount of money I have in my MtG Collection makes the Lotus and Crypts and Docksides I lost pennies

I could lose another six or seven thousand and not care

If it means removing the cancer that is Thoracle and Sol Ring

[gritty nest]

I’m dead ass with this btw someone actually is doing this

[clever sun]

Clown

[gritty nest]

[trail anvil]

can't do sol ring sadly

every precon ever

[gritty nest]

Hey can you hook me up then with some banned cards

[clever sun]

I read it yep

Stupid

[gritty nest]

[clever sun]

BUT

[ornate cedar]

I’m sure they are but it won’t result in anything

[clever sun]

We can bully them into it

[gritty nest]

They’ll never budge on ring

[trail anvil]

I'd be fine with losing it

[ornate cedar]

Ban Sol Ring, replace with One Ring

Problem solved

/s

[gritty nest]

Makes Sol Ring 2

[lusty trench]

Man is going to get the most politely worded "fuck off" the world has ever seen

[gritty nest]

Seriously though what’s your plans with all the banned cards now?

[ornate cedar]

Now this is thinking with portals

[clever sun]

I'm burning them later in the week

[gritty nest]

2 mana taps for 3

[lusty trench]

Sol ring 2, 2 mana taps for 4 colourless

[gritty nest]

do you have an ixalan crypt?

[clever sun]

Uhhh

Maybe one

[gritty nest]

That’s the only art I want of the crypts

Tbh

[clever sun]

I have a Kaladesh one that one I'm keeping

[gritty nest]

Understandable

[lusty trench]

Just realised how cheap this makes making a Dominik mayer deck

[trail anvil]

ixalan crypt is some goated art

[gritty nest]

Right?

[lusty trench]

Never mind I just remembered the price card expressive iteration

[gritty nest]

Seriously though, if I end up liquidating I’ll either get back into yugioh or nothing

[lusty trench]

Show wotc the real super power of teamwork (a collaboration of an epson printer, the four ink cartridges, and the electricity needed to power it)

[trail anvil]

so mana vault and grim monolith are the other colorless fast mana options left ig, and they both have clear downsides

[rigid scarab]

Seeing the reaction of people who literally have never been faced with a banlist in their life is hilarious

[gritty nest]

True

What was mana crypts downside?

[lusty trench]

Flip a coin if you lose the call you take 3

[sudden lava]

The Proxy Megazord

[trail anvil]

which is negligible in edh

much less cedh

[lusty trench]

Does nothing to you turn it comes down too as it's an upkeep trigger

[gritty nest]

So pretty much

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty trench]

Pretty much

[twilit canyon]

the specific math of crypt vs ring is actually fun

cus t1 crypt leads to infinitely more games won than t1 ring

but from t6 onward, ring is better

[ornate cedar]

Where can I salt mine while cooking? YouTube?

[gritty nest]

r/mtg r/mtgfinance

[ornate cedar]

Ah the usual suspects

[lusty trench]

I go on mtg finance to laugh at failed specs

[trail anvil]

wait why, is it cause life totals matter when the game goes that long?

[twilit canyon]

yep

more likely to lose flips over the course of the game

[trail anvil]

oh

[ornate cedar]

Imagine using a card game to speculate

[trail anvil]

yeah that makes sense lol

does blood moon et al go up in value with dockside ban?

[twilit canyon]

100%

magus of the moon and harbinger of the tides too

[ornate cedar]

Should I buy the dip?

[lusty trench]

If you're doing it because you want copies to play then it's up to you to decide if you think they'll only go up from here

But if you're doing it to earn money, that is speculating and incredibly dumb of a move to make on a card game

[ornate cedar]

Yeah it would be for the errant chance that they may get unbanned one day

Speculating is not for me

So I would buy one of each for commander specifically

[gritty nest]

I summarized todays events in one meme

[ornate cedar]

Basically

You can’t please everyone

[twilit canyon]

you need to save magic players from themselves

[golden plover]

Tbf the players who are bitching about this is an entirely different group than the "RC doesn't do anything" group

I was in the "RC doesn't do shit" group after the most recent "we're keeping an eye on Thoracle" for 3 years in a row

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/joshleekwai/status/1838372707538473469?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Josh Lee Kwai (@JoshLeeKwai) on X

It goes without saying (well, maybe not because I feel the need to say it) but:

I don't like the bans. I think it's a bad call. If you've watched our content over the years then I'm sure that doesn't surprise you. We're working on a video about it all now. It'll be posted asap.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2024, 12:19 AM

Even the casuals are bitching about it

[golden plover]

But I'm VERY happy to see them hit cards that lead to non-games and huge leads

Reminder I play Elsha in CEDH

[trail anvil]

why is josh up in arms about it

[golden plover]

About 1/5th of my list was dedicated to flickering my Dockside

It's gonna take some adapting now but it frees up a lot of slots

[sleek ferry]

I’m going to assume it’s for the jeweled lotus ban, which is the same one that’s tripping me up tbh

[golden plover]

This is hilarious. All the twitter replies are "just rule 0 them out"

Nah girl shut up, we've talked circles about how "just rule 0 them out" doesn't work

[trail anvil]

I feel like it's even less applicable for a content creator channel

[copper pecan]

if the rc undoes the ban because of backlash then they're cowards

[sleek ferry]

Also it should be noted that crypt and jeweled lotus were still played in high powered casual, so maybe that’s a contributing factor as to why Josh doesn’t agree with it

[golden plover]

Yeah these bans were absolutely the right move

Jeweled Lotus was just not an inherently healthy card

"Black Lotus for the creature you wanna cast the most" was a bad idea

The only gripe I have with the banlist is that Thoracle and Sol Ring are still legal

[twilit canyon]

literally

[twilit canyon]

shouldnt have been printed at all

[copper pecan]

i remember seeing people say jeweled lotus should be banned the moment it was revealed

[golden plover]

Being able to t2 a 5 mana 2-3 color commander because you opened a single 0 mana artifact is fair and good

I remember the "it'll only be good in 1 color commander decks" cope

[trail anvil]

I feel like it's even less applicable for a content creator channel

[golden plover]

Yeah as a YouTuber you can just play "no banlist commander" or whatever

[gritty nest]

So the foil three tree city I ordered on Friday had its tracking number canceled in Sunday, I messaged the seller to ask what was up with that

“Added by mistake, apologies. We sent this out to you this morning.”

[trail anvil]

I feel like that's not really interesting unless you're doing something specific like "what if we played all the banned cards"

[gritty nest]

$50 card
No tracking from the sounds of it

Is it just me or does this sound off

[glad peak]

Inb4 they unban the cards they just banned and the reason why is just so they could tank the price

[gritty nest]

Lmfao

[glad peak]

Would be the funniest way to do it

[trail anvil]

I imagine unbanning would stir up more shit than banning at this point. imagine people tearing up their crypts and lotuses only for the rules committee to go "jk actually"

[glad peak]

More scarcity for the plan

[twilit canyon]

yeah

its literally not something u can do

[ornate cedar]

If they get unbanned it will be a while from now I think

Or maybe CEDH will actually make its own format and committee, and then they can play those cards

But I don’t think they’ll just unban them tomorrow

[copper pecan]

remember captain format

[ornate cedar]

I don’t because I only recently started playing

[copper pecan]

i don't think the cedh community is capable of forming a rules committee that won't collapse immediately

okay so captain was a format that was made in response to crossover cards being a thing

which would have been edh but without crossover cards

it died almost immediately because its rules committee had tons of infighting and a lot of people involved got exposed for being shitheads

i feel like this would happen again if the cedh community tried to split off from regular edh

[ornate cedar]

Ah, but that’s an issue with egos. Is there not enough people without big heads to run such a format in the CEDH community?

[copper pecan]

nobody has enough respect from the community to get the community to actually listen to them

[ornate cedar]

I genuinely don’t know so I’m asking nonrhetorically

So CEDH doesn’t respect the group enough to form a committee that caters to the health of the group?

That sounds like a Red pairing philosophically lolol

Maybe Red and Black

Rakdos?

[sleek ferry]

It’s moreso that for the good of the game

Cedh players should abide by the RC’s decisions

Whether we like the bans or not, it’s dumb to start our own rules committee

Just because we don’t like some bans

[gritty nest]

I’m happy with the bans personally

[copper pecan]

i think the bans are great

those cards all needed to go

[glad peak]

dockside leaving fundamentally changes cedh, i'm excited to see where it goes

either answers (or clones), combos, or decks specifically built around it

[gritty nest]

I’m happy with it because of the monetary bar of entry

For the cards

[meager isle]

red suddenly worst cedh color again

jkjk

[glad peak]

Red is still good but not absolutely bonkers lol

[sleek ferry]

Still green

Red still has j will and breach

[twilit canyon]

less so this and moreso that the cedh community wants to play edh

not another format

[zinc shard]

is JLK still on the Rules Committee?

[golden plover]

Fellas I have begun making a cube

[glad peak]

will it be a commander cube with black lotus and jeweled lotus?

[golden plover]

Nah, but it does have black lotus in the "common" slot

Just the 1 tho

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168011460614574090/1287973980342587411/Screenshot_20240923_225412_X.png?ex=66f37ebe&is=66f22d3e&hm=1bd890058609a4f8667fb7a58b3eed2054cd399cb73356e36f827af7f3839886&

[glad peak]

since when did he play magic?

[twilit canyon]

since being mad about something was profitable

[gritty nest]

Damn that’s crazy

Go play the stock market or monopoly

[glad peak]

if you can't eat a $500 loss then you shouldn't be playing the magic stock market

[trail anvil]

wait I thought this was a photoshopped magic the circlejerking post, he doesn't just consider this game "woke"?

[last glen]

Does this change the Arena fake commander format

[gritty nest]

Oathbreaker?

[zinc shard]

Brawl? No

[ornate cedar]

“Lmao even”

[ornate cedar]

Is this legit?

[twilit canyon]

yep lol

[ornate cedar]

Oh my god that makes me laugh so hard thank you for that

[sudden lava]

It's legit XD

[ornate cedar]

The banlist is worth it just for making Tim Pool lose money lol

[zinc shard]

4 cards get banned

Card shops: "I will never financially recover from this"

[ornate cedar]

A lot of card shop owners are like the Tiger King if you think about it

[glad peak]

tbh yes

commander needs to start banning more things

[twilit canyon]

commander rc

ban sol ring and thoracle

and my life is yours

[glad peak]

tbh i dont get why they didn't ban sol ring, icon be damned

[ornate cedar]

I think it’s because it’s in upcoming product but idk really

[glad peak]

that suggests that they made this banlist on a whim without talking with wotc

[gritty nest]

I thought some RC members were wotc employees?

[glad peak]

yep, i'm just talking about if it were true that the only reason why they didn't ban sol ring was because of that

[zinc shard]

Sue them for what?

how much money could you possibly be losing

[glad peak]

for "financial damages" probably lol

$400 or so, small claims court if they really want to pursue

[zinc shard]

Something something Trading Cards are not an investment

Ban Sol Ring unless you are playing one of the precons with no changes.

[glad peak]

yep the courts can throw it out by just saying "the rules committee never promised to not ban the use of these cards"

[gritty nest]

On my way to sue them to ban more cards

(I want island banned)

[glad peak]

i want all basics banned

[gritty nest]

Only wastes allowed

[zinc shard]

I want all lands banned

Double sided cards incluced

[glad peak]

blood moon superiority

[gritty nest]

Ban everything but unban lutri

“Lutri is legal stfu now”

[glad peak]

alt: everything banned except basic wastes

whoever goes first loses in the order of first, second, and third

[sudden lava]

based

[gritty nest]

Apparently I have brain worms because I called out a counterpoint to someone’s point

[glad peak]

We all have brain worms

What else do you think those ridges are

[gritty nest]

I mean fair

[atomic harness]

Interesting

[twilit canyon]

they actually took steps to fix commander ren

[gritty nest]

“If they’re banning crypt for being a 0 mana artifact, Ornithopter is right there” is one of the funniest takes I’ve read

[zinc shard]

Ornithopter hidden ability, taps for 2 mana

[modern minnow]

saw this on twitter but it is kinda wild that rc didnt say smth like "we're looking at ubiquitous fast mana in the format and may be moving on to bans for certain cards" or smth like they did for dockside before the list

bc they have functionally infinite time to do anything

[lusty trench]

The people complaining that they've lost money would never survive a yugioh banlist

[urban crane]

Maybe it’s cause I come from yugioh but I’m like yeah big bans happen

[ornate cedar]

Same here

Although the TCG side tends to at least keep high rarity cards around for a few years

Baronne, Borreload, and Apollousa are prominent examples I can think of

I don’t expect Engraver to get banned for a couple years either

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/lodestonecg/status/1838310601946193930?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Lodestone Coffee and Games (@LodestoneCG) on X

Introducing our newest milkshake, The Rules Committee.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 8:12 PM

[urban crane]

Got cool stuff

[sleek ferry]

It’s so funny, how the majority of the casual community gave 0 fucks about cedh, now the talks are “what about cedh?”. Example: https://youtu.be/B2x7TYVYjxg?si=9CTIMXcU9K6rYxt0

[lusty trench]

“Biggest betrayal of consumer trust”
YOU LITERALLY SIGNED UP FOR THIS

[sleek ferry]

I’ll say this, part of it is the player’s fault, part of it is the RC’s fault for never setting a precedent and making edh seem like an untouchable format for investments

Before yesterday nobody saw the RC as anything more than a joke

[copper pecan]

have these people never seen a banlist before or what

[ornate cedar]

These people don’t play card games do they?

there is a whole other format called CEDH
Funny, I thought CEDH was just a version of EDH, not another format altogether

[copper pecan]

it's not a format

[ornate cedar]

I know

I’m being facetious

[copper pecan]

ah i see

[ornate cedar]

”I like to buy product just to sit on them”
Ah that’s why they’re pissed. They’re idiots that spec’d on cardboard

The dragons lost some of their horde

My feelings don’t apply to LGSes just running a business, that genuinely sucks

More so to individuals buying tons of product to flip it

[copper pecan]

scalpers are a plague on society

[ornate cedar]

Yep, scalpers provide no value

[golden plover]

This is absolutely casual commander brain to the extreme

[copper pecan]

just rule zero it in if you really want to play with it so bad

[golden plover]

People who have never played another card game/format are upset they lost $100s because commander hasn't had a ban in 3 years

[ornate cedar]

Ironically they call themselves competitive too

[golden plover]

In regular card games/magic people know you can lose a bit of - a full deck's value in a single banlist 2 months after you buy it

[ornate cedar]

If they were really competitive they’d go “bet” and make a new deck

Which a lot of CEDH players are doing

I don’t want to give the impression that I think all CEDH players are behaving like Jake and Joel

Just the irrational ones are

but the irrational ones are also the ones I like to pick on lol

[golden plover]

Most cedh players are like "yeah dockside and jeweled lotus had it coming"

[ornate cedar]

Yeah, that’s what I mostly see too

[golden plover]

There's surprise at the crypt ban

But it's not like out of the question

[ornate cedar]

If Sol Ring gets banned that’s just 1 more card out of the 99 that can be replaced

If they came out with like a murder list of 50 cards that would be different

Even then it would depend on what cards they are since EDH is an eternal format

[urban crane]

The thing with soul ring ban would be wich wouldn’t be ideal every commander precon released right now would be illegal

[golden plover]

My hot take is that sol ring, Arcane Signet, and Command Tower can all go for the health of the format

I know they never would

[ornate cedar]

Never say never

Unless it’s to say “one never knows”

They could ban those in a couple years for all we know

[golden plover]

But all 3 are a slot you don't have to account for in deckbuilding

Arcane Signet and Tower aren't as strong as Ring or Crypt

But you actively cannot avoid running them in literally any deck unless you're trying to make it worse

[lusty trench]

It’s crazy how people are like “this really hurts lgs’”

[golden plover]

Or you're trying to run [[Umori, the Collector]] as a companion, which is making it worse

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/231/umori-the-collector

Umori, the Collector <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manabg:292901508863754241><:manabg:292901508863754241>

Legendary Creature — Ooze
Companion — Each nonland card in your starting deck shares a card type. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
As Umori, the Collector enters, choose a card type.
Spells you cast of the chosen type cost less to cast.
4/5

[lusty trench]

If your lgs was sitting on product because it had chase cards and would go up you shouldn’t be supporting them anyway lmao

[golden plover]

True, and there's more than enough expensive cards this won't kill an LGS

Like sure they can't sell their crypts, lotus, or dockside now

But they can still sell any of the other 100s of cards worth $50+

[lusty trench]

Plus like it’s not like the ixalan crypts will be affected much

Look at hidetsugu

[golden plover]

I mean the Ixalan crypts will probably all drop about 25-50%

[lusty trench]

Card is garbage and not played anywhere but it’s neons are money

Yeah but it’s not gonna be end of the world is what I mean

[golden plover]

But the higher rarity colors won't become $10 overnight

Jeweled Lotus tho? Lol lmao

[[$Jeweled Lotus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/396/jeweled-lotus

Prices for Jeweled Lotus

Commander Masters

$47.56 • €82.11 • 15.27 TIX

Commander Masters

$91.07 • 9.57 TIX

Commander Masters

$73.23 • €124.76 • 13.22 TIX

Commander Masters

$352.22 • €447.37

Magic Online Promos

7.91 TIX

Commander Legends

$40.65 • €90.66 • 11.13 TIX

Commander Legends

$73.89 • €111.84

[copper pecan]

command tower and arcane signet bother me so much

like, why are we printing cards that go in every deck ever

that just lowers the space for creative deckbuilding

[stark skiff]

theres always generic staples for most colors

idg the irrational hate for command tower and signet shrug

[sleek ferry]

This in itself is part of the issue. RC has done no favors to itself to be seen as anything more than a joke committee up until yesterday. People got complacent, LGS' got complacent. But also faulting LGS' for having product/singles on the shelves that had those cards is stupid. Especially when 95% of LGS' operate at a loss.

[copper pecan]

its that signet is in every single deck, regardless of color

and command tower is in every multicolor deck

[golden plover]

I mean literally the only decks that command tower isn't just good in are mono-colored decks

And there's not a ton of popular mono-color commanders

Hell, it wouldn't even hurt to run it in them

[golden plover]

I mean yeah, the RC should just ban more cards more frequently lol

[sleek ferry]

Correct, or at the very least actually communicate more. Before their last 2 articles, I literally hadn't heard from them since the hullbreacher ban

[golden plover]

I mean they have quarterly articles. They've all been "were keeping an eye on dockside and Thoracle" for 3 years

[sleek ferry]

which is fine, i don't think anybody is shocked by the dockside ban

it's the other 2 bans that we had 0 indication were coming. And if nothing else, WOTC is very good at letting us know what to expect from a banlist

if they had said "we're looking at ways to hit fast mana to slow the meta down" in their last article, nobody would be blinking an eye

you wouldn't have even had to say the specific cards, people would have speculated about jeweled lotus and sol ring immediately

[meager isle]

well there was a sheldon article saying there's too many fast mana a few years back

[sleek ferry]

yeah, and then sheldon passed

point is, it's not as if RC has been beating the drum about fast mana in their articles

I think part of the reason the casual community is more outraged is A. CEDH community is usually proxying, while casuals are mostly the ones that buy product and B. There was 0 indication these hits were even possible. Also C. Years of talking about Thoracle, dropping a big banlist and leaving it untouched

[golden plover]

I mean, for point B, you also don't wanna just go "hey btw we're banning these cards in 2 weeks" because then everyone in the know sells off their stock and everyone who doesn't and buys them feels like shit

[copper pecan]

yeah also like

how is going "we're banning these in 2 weeks" any different from just banning it immediately

the price is still gonna go down

[golden plover]

True, price changes would happen

Only difference is some people would buy them not knowing the change

[copper pecan]

i feel like that's worse

[golden plover]

100%

Like I lost $160ish on this banlist but I bought the cards over years with the intent to play them

I'm not too phased

[copper pecan]

i think the only time i've ever been actually upset about a banlist was when cyber dragon got semi limited in yugioh

and that was like 15 years ago

and i was in middle school

[golden plover]

Banlists happen

People are overreacting

[ornate cedar]

Because then you can trick a sucker :3

Such is the way of speculators. That’s really why they want a warning, so they can offload onto some bag holders.

Just look at crypto

And NFTs

[sleek ferry]

That’s fine, because at that point it’s all speculation. WOTC has made it a point to always communicate with the playerbase as to what they’re looking at, it’s literally what separates them from Konami and other tcg’s

If I wanted a tcg company that didn’t communicate with me, I would stay my ass in Yugioh

[golden plover]

I mean, they communicated why they banned the cards

And they've talked about for a long time about how fast mana and dockside were issues forever

[sleek ferry]

Read the explanation for mana crypt being banned, then read the explanation for not banning sol ring

[golden plover]

No I fully agree Sol Ring needed a ban too

But that's definitely not happening

[modern minnow]

this looks gross

[golden plover]

Yeah that looks bad

[ornate cedar]

Sad but true

I respect WOTC a lot more than Konami in the little time I’ve played MTG

Not to even speak of how Konami handles its video games division

[copper pecan]

U3U

[ornate cedar]

I can’t unsee it now hahaha

[copper pecan]

the uwu mana cost could have been a reality if wotc wasn't cowards

[twilit canyon]

i already got all 4 kaitos just from opening packs wao

[sleek ferry]

since when do you open packs wtf

[ornate cedar]

If I randomly pulled a One Ring from a Best Buy blister, am I obligated to include it in my Bello deck?

I feel like I am

[gritty nest]

Up to you

I’m selling my Bello deck personally

[ornate cedar]

Fair, it’s not that good

It’s fun

But it’s very slow too

Then again I’m used to YuGiOh so maybe it’s average speed

[gritty nest]

In my experience it’s dumb and fast, but people dogpile it too quickly even if you aren’t doing much

[ornate cedar]

Fair and Bello having low health doesn’t help

How does Squirrels tend to do? I would think it would also be a huge target because of that one squirrel with Myriad Myriad

[gritty nest]

Out of the box it’s mediocre but modified it’s dumb

[ornate cedar]

Does dumb mean straightforward?

[gritty nest]

Hazel is a great commander

[ornate cedar]

I need to look at the Squirrel deck again, I haven’t looked at it since I sleeved it

My place is proxy friendly so at least I can print out what I may need

[twilit canyon]

mga

*mtga

[sleek ferry]

Oh okay

[trail anvil]

was the mtga update super fast for anyone else?

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/rudeism/status/1838291994680136010

Rudeism (@rudeism) on X

I built a new deckbox for Duskmourn!

It's a little TV, complete with life tracker screen (my phone) that you can control with the dials on the box

#MTGDuskmourn @wizards_magic

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 6:59 PM

this goes hard ngl

[sleek ferry]

I didn’t even realize set came out today tbh

[sudden lava]

It doesn't, it releases on the 27th

[modern minnow]

is new kaito any good

[gritty nest]

The commander ban changes won’t be reversed

[twilit canyon]

hes solid

[glad peak]

the bans won't be reversed but it'll be funny if it does right when all of the finance guys sell at a huge loss

[modern minnow]

was p nasty at prerelease idk if it slots into anything good

[trail anvil]

it would be a terrible idea lol

time is a flat circle and valgavoth is an extremely fun reanimator target

[twilit canyon]

2nd best target of all time

its atraxa > valgavoth rn

everything else is just not as powerful

[sleek ferry]

shout out to my boy [[worldgorger]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/148/worldgorger-dragon

Worldgorger Dragon <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Nightmare Dragon
Flying, trample
When Worldgorger Dragon enters, exile all other permanents you control.
When Worldgorger Dragon leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owners' control.
7/7

[trail anvil]

ye makes sense. if I had blue I'd definitely throw her in too

ward sacrifice 3 nonland permanents is crazy hard for some decks to handle too lmao

[sleek ferry]

im ngl komi, I'm always amazed at you playing brawl. Mainly because of the sheer amount of wild cards you need to invest to play the format

If that wasn't the case I would also play it

[trail anvil]

that's where all my wildcards go lol

it isn't as bad as you think though since everything is a 1-of and there's no sideboard

[sleek ferry]

yeah, I'm just thinking of it from a min maxing pov as a f2p player

[trail anvil]

do you have fetch lands?

[sleek ferry]

nope

[trail anvil]

o then that's a big one lol. what do you usually play, standard?

[sleek ferry]

my main comp format is standard yeah

if the meta is bad I'll play explorer

but standard has been pretty good for a year+

so i havent touched explorer since

[trail anvil]

ye

what decks do you have?

[sleek ferry]

For standard? I rotate between abzan control and azorius control. I also have gruul aggro, lizards and rakdos midrange

[golden plover]

Explorer is the peak for wildcards imo

[sleek ferry]

fuck I didn't clear my quests yesterday

so much for min maxing

[golden plover]

No fetches, landbases are already mostly solid, and format is GOOD rn

[trail anvil]

fetches in brawl are mostly for consistency, but if you're playing dual color you'll still probably be fine

but I gotta say, as someone whose primary format is brawl I'm able to make a ton of full power decks while also having enough cards leftover for standard stuff

[golden plover]

Wait... Do we just replace Dockside in Cedh Elsha with Mind Goblin???

[twilit canyon]

no

hm

actually

in elsha...

[gritty nest]

So people in the RC discord have decided to hate and dox one of the RC members

[twilit canyon]

yeah unfortunately not

i dont wanna say

its

expected behavior

basically

[lusty trench]

It’d be delusionary goblin right

Cause it has all 6 vowels?

[glad peak]

Bruhhh are people really that pissed over a proxy format

Also nah it’s mind goblin because mind goblin these -

But yes it’ll be the list of stickers with 5-6 vowels

[lusty trench]

The people: I DONT WANT BANS ON THE PROBLEM CARDS

The RC

https://tenor.com/view/then-why-did-you-ask-for-it-spongebob-pistachio-gif-26878541

[subtle sierra]

no it's mind castlin now

[glad peak]

But yeah there were people who bought the thing, sure, but proxy format

[lusty trench]

Once again the epson printer proves supreme

[glad peak]

You only buy those if you have the means and if you’re bankrupt after losing that then you didn’t have the means

[lusty trench]

I haven’t done the math on how much an epson has saved my family compared to our old hp printer

But it has easily paid off itself in the savings

[fallow citrus]

just had war flashbacks

we support epson printers at work and seeing those two words outside of a support ticket made my head go funny

[trail anvil]

ah yes, the brutal colonization by crackers is why mana crypt got banned

[lusty trench]

How are people struggling with them they’re literally the easiest to use printer I’ve ever had

[trail anvil]

there's no such thing as idiot proof

[fallow citrus]

also talking about ones used to print receipts

[lusty trench]

Yup nope just forgot how tech illiterate the average person is

Ahhhhh

[golden plover]

Actually wait, forgot that sticker sheets are worse in commander than legacy/whatever

Since you only submit 3

[fallow citrus]

when they get used hundreds of times a day every day every year they do in fact break

[lusty trench]

Is the sheet you get random or can you pick?

[glad peak]

The fact that I have multiple “techy” business/econ/finance majors at work who have no idea how to write an excel formula…

I think you can pick which ones you bring in but using them is random

[trail anvil]

that makes sense to me. their opinion is seen as valuable but they just aren't full fledged members

[glad peak]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-mace-windu-you-are-on-this-council-but-we-do-not-grant-you-the-rank-of-master-gif-2748715303523393717

[golden plover]

3 at random

[sleek ferry]

Wonder if this is going to turn into a CAG vs RC beef

I saw Kiebler also voicing his displeasure

[golden plover]

Again, if they told a bunch of people ahead of time, they'd sell off shit considering these were all very expensive cards