Magic the Gathering

[lusty trench]

Yeah the demon deck cards both seem fine, they do what the deck wants to be doing

[lusty trench]

I'm very much not a fan of the reanimator cards all being ||beaters|| so far, ||combat|| isn't that important in commander unless you can side step the 40 life or blow it out in one turn

[lusty trench]

Okay listen I have no argument against this but I'm coping

[sudden lava]

oh ||demolisher spawn costs 5GG||

[lusty trench]

It's a mini ||hoof|| so sounds about tight

CRUSABLE OF YAWGMOTHS WILL??

[glad peak]

it's not that important in commander but people don't do it enough so any incentive to do so is a win in my book

[fallow citrus]

maybe this will encourage commander players to actually use the battle phase

[broken fjord]

Hope that marked as spoiler

[lusty trench]

It did not

[broken fjord]

I sure did click that option

[glad peak]

of course removing commander is the bigger win but eh

[lusty trench]

Unless I clicked that as soon as it appeared

[broken fjord]

Don't know why it didn't

[sudden lava]

get rotated

[lusty trench]

CRUSABLE OF YAWGMOTHS WILL BUT HORIZONTAL???

[rigid scarab]

get deleted

[golden plover]

Wait why is it called Seance Board?

Spirit Board is the generic term

And Hasbro owns Ouija Board

[glad peak]

at least it's not called luigi board

[lusty trench]

Likely to reference the card seance

[golden plover]

It doesn't do what Seance does tho

Spirit Board would have been the best fit

[lusty trench]

Yeah but they had to in order to make the seance guy have a heart attack thinking his card could be relevant

[sudden lava]

ok I might use|| walk-in closet/forgotten cellar|| for my mothman deck

[lusty trench]

Shit is gonna preorder for £30

Minimum

[sudden lava]

[lusty trench]

"OH BOY OH BOY OH BO- oh"

[golden plover]

I thought this guy was seance guy for a second

But it's the same bit

Did anyone ever actually get paid for the seances btw?

[lusty trench]

FELLAS A WAS RIGHT

||MANA FLARE BARBS||

[sudden lava]

LETS GOOOO

[lusty trench]

||into the pit funny||

[broken fjord]

It's super strong I feel

[lusty trench]

Ehh you still gotta pay for em

[broken fjord]

Oh yeah

But it's a decent rate for that effect

[lusty trench]

||lord of pain|| is funky, literally 1984

||demonic covenant|| is abysmal god damn

[golden plover]

Weird that's how they depicted him

Very different from his story appearance

[sudden lava]

||oh neat, another suspend thing that keeps going back on suspend||

||black color though so can't put in my 10th doctor deck, sadge||

[lusty trench]

Run him with Clara :3

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-doctor-davidtennant-doctorwho-doomsday-gif-4906440

Flavor Win cuz then cant run Rose

[golden plover]

Wait I just realized [[Marvin]] is 100% legacy playable

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/253/marvin-murderous-mimic

Marvin, Murderous Mimic <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Toy
Marvin, Murderous Mimic has all activated abilities of creatures you control that don't have the same name as this creature.
In a moment of bloodthirsty whimsy, a razorkin once picked up a ventriloquist's puppet and used it to terrorize a survivor. Now it hunts on its own, with no one pulling its strings.
2/2

[sudden lava]

but nah gonna keep it jeskai

[golden plover]

He's copies 5-8 of psychic Frog lmao

[sudden lava]

yeah probably taking DC out

its pretty 💩

[lusty trench]

Oh it's out officially now lmao

Card sucks though yeet

[sudden lava]

funny enough though, Clara is my Doctor's Companion for the list.

cuz 10th curves into Clara

https://tenor.com/view/win-clara-doctorwho-clara-oswald-ftw-gif-5199383

The greatest of all time! (Whatnot leak)

wait, its a cycle?

[glad peak]

I mean yeah

It says on the card

[modern minnow]

-2

[trail anvil]

+2

[sudden lava]

meant more so cuz we saw another cycling monocolor card in the set

so are all 5 colors getting one?

[glad peak]

It’d be very odd if only 1 or 2 of them got that very specific cycle

[golden plover]

Usually they always do a cycle of basic land cyclers if they're in a set

[sudden lava]

another commander leak, ya know which this one is in

[golden plover]

This is cute in theory

But in execution I can't see it doing much

They'll just remove it first

[lusty trench]

Undying tho

[sudden lava]

they have to kill it twice

[golden plover]

Yeah but they just won't combo off until they can kill it twice

[lusty trench]

That's good though

[golden plover]

Or non-kill removal

[lusty trench]

Makes it preventstive

And if they waste their non kill removal on this that's also good

[sudden lava]

thats totally fine

[golden plover]

It's probably fine, but I dunno how strong it'll be

[lusty trench]

I don't think it's good and I don't think it's bad

[sudden lava]

and it is a ping for valgavoth anyways even if the ping isnt large

[lusty trench]

It's perfectly fine

[golden plover]

Yeah same

It's like fine

[sudden lava]

Oh Jotlico, the rakdos alt commander with life link givers @lusty trench

[lusty trench]

Yeah that’d be neat

[golden plover]

I love when people live in an entirely different version of MTG

Like in what circumstances is this card anything better than a last pick in draft to have an extra creature

[modern minnow]

cant believe they made chandler evil

also can they elaborate on this

[golden plover]

I asked them to and no reply

[sleek ferry]

Is there gy synergies in this set? I’m guessing so

[modern minnow]

tbf its air elemental with upside

[sleek ferry]

I could see this being a middling pick in draft then if anything

[modern minnow]

you can turn off your opponents delirium but like

theres so much youd rather play

[rigid scarab]

GRENZO

[sudden lava]

There is

[golden plover]

This is a card you take in draft if you've got nothing else to take

Its about as good as the filler changelings in Bloomburrow

[rigid scarab]

Literally no harm in making it instant speed

[sudden lava]

the themes in the draft for duskmourn

but yeah this chandelier is weak

maybe they meant utterly disgusting in that nobody will wanna play that shit

[golden plover]

If it could tap instead maybe

[rigid scarab]

I personally find great enjoyment in going on 10 minute rants on bulk commons

[golden plover]

But 8 mana to shuffle a thing back is funny

[copper pecan]

i feel like this is slightly better than a last pick since it's a fairly large flier

[golden plover]

Yeah it's like second to last pick

[sleek ferry]

Oh wait activate only as a sorcery nvm

That makes this card significantly worse than I thought

[modern minnow]

are u not a barktooth harvester believer

[trail anvil]

I don't think it would ever be a first pick, but if I were grasping for straws it'll be nice to have as a colorless option

[gritty nest]

Apparently the jumpscare precon has an infinite in it

[sudden lava]

do tell

[gritty nest]

Commander + Steve + Yedora

[steady onyx]

[[yedora]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/197/yedora-grave-gardener

Yedora, Grave Gardener <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk Druid
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, you may return it to the battlefield face down under its owner's control. It's a Forest land. (It has no other types or abilities.)
"Even in death, we never stop growing."
5/5

[steady onyx]

hmm

fun

[gritty nest]

[[Zimone, Unraveler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/8/zimone-mystery-unraveler

Zimone, Mystery Unraveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, manifest dread if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may turn a permanent you control face up. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
3/3

[gritty nest]

Sack Steve Yedora revive it, Zimone flip Steve up

Repeat

[steady onyx]

yeah

that's cool

[twilit canyon]

this is infinite etbs sure

[gritty nest]

Any sack itself grab a land goes infinite with the two

[pulsar talon]

[[Steve]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Steve”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

[[sakura tribe elder]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/183/sakura-tribe-elder

Sakura-Tribe Elder <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake Shaman
Sacrifice Sakura-Tribe Elder: Search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
He'd chosen a sunlit clearing with open skies and an ample brook. All that remained was to find a worthy sapling.
1/1

[gritty nest]

Landfall triggers, death triggers

[steady onyx]

well no it's anything that sacs you can infinitely loop rigjt?

dosent need to grab a land

[twilit canyon]

steve kills itself

etbs facedown bc of yedora

[steady onyx]

if it sacs itself you can infinitely loop it

[gritty nest]

That’s true, but it can’t be a token creature otherwise Yedora can’t revive it

[twilit canyon]

zimone landfall then goes faceup

[steady onyx]

yeah

than repeat yeah

[gritty nest]

It’s just those three make it compact and easy

[steady onyx]

yeah

[gritty nest]

Out of the box it can’t win you the game but it’s still an interaction that can be learned by new players

[steady onyx]

you won't get any etb rigjt

cause flipping isn't considered entering?

[gritty nest]

It’s not

You get landfall and death triggers

I’m getting this precon, already preordered it and Miracle Worker

[steady onyx]

does anything in the deck ping for landfall?

[gritty nest]

I’m tearing apart Jump Scare the second I get it though

[gritty nest]

[[Spitfire Lagac]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/167/spitfire-lagac

Spitfire Lagac <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, Spitfire Lagac deals 1 damage to each opponent.
"If you hear a choking sort of cough, it's about to get really hot." —Raff Slugeater, goblin shortcutter
3/4

[gritty nest]

But don’t forget death triggers

[steady onyx]

in the deck

like pre on

[gritty nest]

Not to my knowledge

Every ping effect is usually red or black

For landfall/death

[steady onyx]

wait

this combo is also infinite mana

lmao

[gritty nest]

Infinite green

[steady onyx]

well infinite green

cause u can tap in response to zinoa

[gritty nest]

Yes

But I’m not gonna be using the precon

It’s getting turned into [[Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/45/kadena-slinking-sorcerer

Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Snake Wizard
The first face-down creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Whenever a face-down creature you control enters, draw a card.
"The only constant in life is the unknown."
3/3

[gritty nest]

Now I could theoretically run I don’t know

Bastion of remembrance, any other death trigger dude

But the goal of the deck was originally face down dot deck

Not turbo into a death trigger infinite

At least for what I’m planning

I ordered a [[Experiment Twelve]] and [[Printlifter ooze]] now because they’re gonna be good

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/37/experiment-twelve

Experiment Twelve <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Lizard Warrior
Trample
Whenever Experiment Twelve or another creature you control is turned face up, put +1/+1 counters on that creature equal to its power.
Disguise (You may cast this card face down for as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its disguise cost.)
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/40/printlifter-ooze

Printlifter Ooze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Ooze
Deathtouch
Whenever Printlifter Ooze or another creature you control is turned face up, create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample. The token enters with X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of other creatures you control.
Disguise
2/2

[twilit canyon]

wait lmfao this combo does fuck and all

its in simic

[broken fjord]

Infinite green and grabbing all your basics isn't nothing. Your draws are gonna be great and you can play all your green and colorless cards in hand.

It just won't win the game and will annoy everyone if you don't have a payoff.

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamer holy

[twilit canyon]

becoming a full blown commander hater

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

As everyone should be

It had a good run

[steady onyx]

I wanna play other formats but idk when I can irl

[glad peak]

does your lgs only play commander? can't be

[broken fjord]

Mine is like that

[stark skiff]

the snake goes hard in a Maha commander deck lol

[broken fjord]

Nothing else fires

[glad peak]

unfortunate

do you have any friends willing to play a non-fraudulent format?

[broken fjord]

No

Duel Commander is about it. It's 1v1 with different banlist and some modified rules. But it's still commander, technically.

[glad peak]

edge them in with canlander lol

[twilit canyon]

canlander is a nice transition

now im just a hater but i still play cedh

been increasingly convinced its the only valid way to play edh

[glad peak]

tbh based

cedh is pretty fun since all parties are just screwing around and there's no arguments about "power discrepency" like you see everywhere

[broken fjord]

Not a cedh enjoyer really. Duel is enough. It's competitive

[glad peak]

if you play rogue, you play rogue and you accept you'll lose more, just like every actual format

meanwhile in other edh, you play rogue and lose, so many times i see people coping about how they actually won because they're playing rogue

[broken fjord]

The moral victory

[sudden lava]

archenemy enjoyers 🙂

[broken fjord]

I do want to try out archenemy commander. Seems silly

[twilit canyon]

its absurdly boring

either the archenemy is be all end all or the opponents roll them

[broken fjord]

I'm fine with that

[glad peak]

supervillain seems fun

supervillain planechase

[sudden lava]

They nerfed the archenemy, but in exchange made the format more fun

Can no longer player eliminate

[sudden lava]

I'd try that, thought that is a lot of extra decks (assuming the standard 4 players thats 40 schemes total and 40 planechase cards)

[zinc shard]

what are people playing for Historic Pauper?

[modern minnow]

commander is just the thing of every multiplayer game where its fun if youre playing it with people you like

[golden plover]

Honestly the push for commander is probably the worst thing that's ever happened to the game

Made card design worse, made cohesion worse, made draft worse, ruined so many LGSes

Ruined the brains of like 80% of magic players

[glad peak]

made players worse, enforced bad habits, made design worse and more complex

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

I'd wager at least 50-70% of the current issues people have with MTG are because of the shift in focus to commander

[glad peak]

increased prices across the board too

[broken fjord]

Commander's great. It being the focus isn't.

The game is steadily getting faster and stronger, to its detriment. They keep printing cracked shit every few months

[glad peak]

what's even worse is that commander players tend to want more and more cracked stuff, we wouldn't be here if it weren't the focus

[modern minnow]

i think most commander players wouldnt have played magic without commander tbf

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KL6GGlEQ-95rCtxQTY3wITDCTqpkZw8Kr6D9L5OR2Tg/https/i.redd.it/26yq0dhv27od1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=417&height=582

who was phone

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nSV5wVnyFXe9CVR-UBCNTi0RfMws6SrXWiOl8JxUakg/https/i.redd.it/dd5205da08od1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=521&height=581

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q6XDYqkNush8M5kT4cmgLFnUtIE-8O2ZmKVJ7m9NVYo/https/i.redd.it/pi6xcjt0w9od1.jpeg?format=webp&width=417&height=582

[subtle sierra]

👁️

[subtle sierra]

Among

[gritty nest]

Hotdurger

[trail anvil]

very high risk high reward o ring. I'd want this with indestructible creatures if possible

[twilit canyon]

vs all the exile removal?

[trail anvil]

slap it on a rotpriest

[gritty nest]

Will they be able to pay the ward (ignoring the new card that tells Ward to fuck off)

[trail anvil]

ig not right now in standard lol

[gritty nest]

That anti ward removal is standard legal right?

[twilit canyon]

theres more than a few yea

[gritty nest]

I see

I only knew of the black one from Duskmorn

[twilit canyon]

[[long goodbye]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/92/long-goodbye

Long Goodbye <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
This spell can't be countered. (This includes by the ward ability.)
Destroy target creature or planeswalker with mana value 3 or less.
As the days grew longer, so did the list of missing persons.

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon gamer is it true that baggro just kills you on t3 nowadays in btandard if you didnt see the 1 mana removal spell

I'm seeing a lot of threads complain that bo3 where ppl hide from aggro is now also being flooded w it

[twilit canyon]

yea

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

its not good

its total jank to run a t2/3 kill

[atomic harness]

naruhodo

do you have an azorius or orzhov list by any chance

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

not on hand rn

gimme like 10 mins

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-girlscout-cookies-girl-scout-gif-13360660

[twilit canyon]

@atomic harness

[atomic harness]

tyty

[golden plover]

Can't believe my draft was ended by the only person who ever got to make otters work in draft

I'm honestly embarrassed but they opened like 4 rares and a mythic so I guess I just lost to better luck

Here I was thinking drafting Finneas, Caretaker's Talent, and Sylvan Tutor was gonna save me (Sylvan Tutor is shit in draft, we literally only used it to search Finneas)

[atomic harness]

Oh did ppl see the new card from queer phyrexia

[subtle sierra]

[golden plover]

Been losing to that Rakdos Aggro deck in Explorer a lot rn. That deck feels kinda crazy

Like it just beats you down so fast

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/gs7f3z5e9eod1.png?auto=webp&s=d60fb18f7f266c21f3f19568d2b986342b3d4fbd

This looks like a card from a completely different set

I know there was an illusion of a dragon in the story for a few minutes

[trail anvil]

I get the feeling that they've always done this to a degree, but more specific set themes have exacerbated it

[golden plover]

But this looks like it shouldn't have been in the set

[trail anvil]

I can't even think of what set would simultaneously have dragons and kaito

[golden plover]

Dunno why they didn't make a functional reprint called like "Boilerbridge Burst" or whatever

[golden plover]

If he ends up on Tarkir in a few sets

[lusty trench]

DEMON DECK IS STACKED

Mogis and vial smasher?????

Rampaging ferocodon?? Kederekt parasite?? lightning greaves cause why not??

command zone still hasn’t published their list

you were listed before pleasant kinobi you had one job

Wait it also has witches clinic???

[twilit canyon]

potential blow out limited removal

[glad peak]

I mean the demon deck eh tbh

Pinging doesn’t really matter unless you can gain insurmountable advantage like with ob nix and otherwise just puts a target on your back for no reason

[trail anvil]

man this jeremy wilson dude really likes using a lot of white in his arts

between this and showcase embreth shieldbreaker

pretty cool style tho

https://scryfall.com/search?q=artist%3A"Jeremy+Wilson"&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

[sudden lava]

Oh Kenobi's video is out?!

[lusty trench]

Ye ye

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBL_vHBMBCw

watching now

Ooh I like this new art

kaervek the merciless is in the deck to

[zinc shard]

I have a friend who plays a Mogis deck, he's gonna love this

[lusty trench]

The final deck is out

Verdict of value
Valgavoth > zimone > winter > animatou

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZY_rkEpTcQ

[lusty trench]

Winters deck is likely to hold up the least in value

Mainly because his reprints are niche af

[sudden lava]

Command Zone posted their reveal for Death Toll

[lusty trench]

Professor onyx? Whip of erebos? Bruh

Cringe ahh reprints

[sudden lava]

good that this trash card isnt in the rakdos deck

would've replaced it instantly

Smug vampire and thee Rakdos though ^-^ love that

[trail anvil]

6 mana and it sacrifices itself?? why lmao

[sudden lava]

at the very least it's an easy card to justify immediately replacing it with something functional

[golden plover]

I get the idea, but I feel like it should have been like 4 mana if it's gonna sac itself

On the bright side, it's not very likely since they have to share all card types

So an artifact and an artifact creature won't proc it

[trail anvil]

can't you just mill 2 lands

[golden plover]

Yeah you can

But if one is an artifact or enchantment you're safe

https://preview.redd.it/nbz07uj3heod1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=944fbabca75719bc4c9dcbc9f718d384a0a767dc

Also this art FUCKS

Too bad it's on a scheme

https://preview.redd.it/a3thypn3heod1.png?width=730&format=png&auto=webp&s=672bb16810c44b394be25b15f3f1063be6d38104

@trail anvil more Jeremy Wilson white space

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/when-will-you-learn-action-consequences-gif-11144812

the final boss, sammyclassicsonicfan

[trail anvil]

he knows how to rock it

looking at this golgari precon, it seems like something that you take apart lol

[golden plover]

It really does fuck

Also, fun fact, he's got a single Amonkhet card

And it's before he got very stylized

Looking at the sand, that's definitely the same artist

[trail anvil]

ye, I posted his scryfall in here

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/BStwEICkLB8

[trail anvil]

oh shit glad to see a whip of erebos reprint in here

[stark skiff]

Boo bought a foil one for Maha

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s7IRXqcy5gY8jM7VxM87CrYm8bggn1QYdaDCCOft_hQ/https/i.redd.it/k3fnyt284fod1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=424&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lNTqsKUz3RQDBJkXb_P7qB-Sq9RwI9k3EL0guQDxg3E/https/i.imgur.com/6DxPMTs.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=424&height=582

[gritty nest]

I didn’t realize miracle worker has inkshield in it until today

[golden plover]

Guys what do you think about my new combo

[lusty trench]

Death

[golden plover]

Fair

[gritty nest]

I don’t get it

[lusty trench]

Hauk twah reference

[sleek ferry]

I would have never gotten that

[twilit canyon]

hua tuo spit thing

[atomic harness]

oh the comments were roasting the guy in the art 😭 but I do like the white yeah

[trail anvil]

probably cause of the fonzi haircut

[atomic harness]

Yee

[trail anvil]

I feel like the general consensus of this set is that the art would be awesome if not for the way they designed the humans

the nightmares are really cool, the setting is really cool

[glad peak]

how does it feel in terms of standard?

[sleek ferry]

I stopped judging sets before playing them

[glad peak]

any outliers so far? everything seems just meh

[twilit canyon]

potential for a delirium aggro deck exists but

meh

[trail anvil]

are you looking for new decks, additions to existing decks, or both?

[glad peak]

both

couple standard friends of mine are freaking out but i don't see it

[atomic harness]

Agreed boss

do ppl like manifest dread so far?

[glad peak]

i like manifest dread

more choices is always good and the other card goes into grave so that's nice

[atomic harness]

What about the stuff that makes your opp manifest dread

[trail anvil]

that 1 mana destruction spell is definitely something to look at, but I think you're giving your opponent too much

I think meathook 2 is going in midrange cause that seems potent for the mirror. wandering rescuer looks like it has a ton but I'm not sure where you put it, orzhov midrange?

enduring tenacity is likely going in orzhov lifegain but that deck is still pretty eh

hedge shredder is going in something meta, maybe it finally boosts golgari landfall?

roaring furnace is potentially decent since it's a removal spell and draw spell in one, but sorcery speed can fuck a card up

[sleek ferry]

Orzhov midrange is obnoxious

But yeah, no use in speculating, I do think the set def has usable cards, but white and black seem to be getting the most constructed playable stuff for like the 5th time in the last 7 sets

[trail anvil]

unidentified hovership is 100% going in something

[trail anvil]

I think it's fun to guess

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQY54Y0ftt4

Commander at Home with the precons for the set placed in a house.

[sudden lava]

odd, moxfield isnt letting me import deck lists from urls

[golden plover]

So you can draw the game in Duskmorn draft

[lusty trench]

I thought you could only get the face commanders in play boosters

[fallow citrus]

okay yeah

my azorious enchantments deck is more real now

[golden plover]

Is it only face commanders? It's so confusing because I could've sworn you could get other cards in them too

I literally have no clue what's in boosters anymore because they constantly change

[lusty trench]

I've never seen a commander deck only card in a draft outside of the faces

[golden plover]

I saw someone get one of the alt commanders from Bloomburrow

But it might just be face + alt?

Okay apparently it is any commander card

It's in the "list slot" that can be any commander card or Special Guest card

So you can theoretically cause a draw in Duskmorn limited

[lusty trench]

The scenario is niche enough that I don't really mind

[golden plover]

True. If I ever see it I'm doing it tho

Because it's funny

[lusty trench]

do a draft sim of mystery booster 2 cause I'll never get to do it irl
Pack 1 pick one is urzas saga
Next set of cards has sol ring
Draft sim recommends I pick a 4 mana removal spell

[golden plover]

Nah you take that sol ring and win every game

[glad peak]

yeah sol ring is insane

[golden plover]

Lmao they did the [[Henry Wu]] thing again because they didn't wanna pay for likenesses

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rex/12/henry-wu-ingen-geneticist

Henry Wu, InGen Geneticist <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Scientist
Henry Wu, InGen Geneticist and other Human creatures you control have exploit. (When a creature with exploit enters, you may sacrifice a creature.)
Whenever a creature you control exploits a non-Human creature, draw a card. If the exploited creature had power 3 or greater, create a Treasure token.
1/4

[golden plover]

I still can't get over that they just have the legendary creature facing away from the "camera" because they didn't wanna pay BD Wong

[trail anvil]

I mean this time paying Tom Hanks for his likeness sounds expensive

[golden plover]

Bill Murray, but true

And it's done better by being on an instant and not a legendary creature

[trail anvil]

oop

[fallow citrus]

oh this is good no?

[twilit canyon]

its fine

[rigid scarab]

TIL Jace is in duskmourn???

[copper pecan]

he was in the story

[golden plover]

Yeah the house has Loot

Weird this is the only art he's in tho

[gritty nest]

I picked up a ripple foil borderless Ulalek today

And also the second eldrazi titan for my deck. I’m one short now of the three I want to run

[lusty trench]

I’m surprised you’re using ulalek, I’ve always found them a bit win more

[gritty nest]

I find the gimmick of cast, make copy, fun

Azlask is much better suited for the base precon, since you can easily churn out tokens to generate experience counters

Optimus prime in purple and Eowyn in yellow?

[lusty trench]

Seems good

I think you're the first person I've seen that actually run eowyn

Props

[gritty nest]

She’s

Dumb

Like

Holy shit dumb

“Cast a human make 2 more chonky humans draw a card?”

[lusty trench]

I mean for 5 mana she better be but I can see what you mean

[gritty nest]

Mines heavily modified. Once I put Ur Dragon in the binder I’ll show you the list if you want

[sleek ferry]

Remember kids, your life is a resource

[lusty trench]

Sure just don’t be offended if I don’t reply it’s late for me

[gritty nest]

nah its fine, i usually fall asleep randomly

Rate the deck name

[lusty trench]

If this is for eowyn it’s peak

[gritty nest]

it is

[modern minnow]

has arena been super unstable for people recently

[twilit canyon]

some ppl are reporting yes. make sure to check if u did the 8 gb update

if u are unstable afterwards, send a report ticket

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JltV4QNHD0Ck8Cy8PTsNMQ

[modern minnow]

did the update ill just send a ticket

[gritty nest]

[[!Three Tree City|BLB|0388]]

[lost widget]

No card found with with collector number “0388” in Bloomburrow

[gritty nest]

[[!Three Tree City|BLB|0338]]

[lost widget]

No card found with with collector number “0338” in Bloomburrow

[gritty nest]

im going to castrate this bot

[[!Three Tree City|BLB|388]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/388/charmed-sleep

Charmed Sleep

[gritty nest]

[[!Three Tree City|BLB|338]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/338/three-tree-city

Three Tree City

[gritty nest]

Should I order this version of three tree city in foil while its under $50

[lusty trench]

I’m gonna be real with you if you are in a position where three tree city is useful to you, you should’ve already won

[gritty nest]

its not necessarily for me, at least not the spring? version

my friend bought a foil autumn one, the blood red tree. Offered it to me if I buy them a foil Spring one, the one above

autumn is $63 atm while that one is $43

[lusty trench]

I mean if you want the money ig

[gritty nest]

its for Minotaur tribal

not just resold

[lusty trench]

I mean sure ig? If you think it’ll be a meaningful upgrade to it

I’m sure there’s a better way to spend $43 to make the deck better though

[gritty nest]

like?

not trying to be rude just genuienly curious

at most the deck needs a [[Roaming Throne]] and its pretty much finalized

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/258/roaming-throne

Roaming Throne <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As Roaming Throne enters, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4

[lusty trench]

Can I see your list?

[gritty nest]

yea, im updating it on moxfield right now actually

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B95XSFwMw0aGtP8gWl7QoA @lusty trench

I found the Patchwork Banner i needed to add to it

[glad peak]

wow that's a throwback

love that vid

[lusty trench]

Shame what happened to tobuscus

[gritty nest]

but yea thats the deck card for card

the autumn three tree is to bling the deck basically

[lusty trench]

Jeskas will? Og purpherous?

[gritty nest]

have yet to find another jeska's will

and [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/246/purphoros-god-of-the-forge

Purphoros, God of the Forge <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five, Purphoros isn't a creature.
Whenever another creature you control enters, Purphoros deals 2 damage to each opponent.
: Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
6/5

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[gritty nest]

not really wanting to add him

[lusty trench]

That’s fair enough

[gritty nest]

i get why though, good for pinging

Taurean Mauler is there because even though its not "technically" a minotaur

taurean mauler

[golden plover]

DMed minors, drug addiction

[gritty nest]

Mogis is a given, and Purphoros was just good for haste enabling

[golden plover]

Right wing grifter

[lusty trench]

Oh I only knew about the grifting

[glad peak]

Wait huh?

[lusty trench]

Jesus

[glad peak]

Bruh so many youtubers

[golden plover]

Yeah...

[lusty trench]

Another good thing to add could be black market connections

[golden plover]

Dude has gone off the deep end

[lusty trench]

Cause the shapeshifter

[gritty nest]

[[Black Market Connections]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/181/black-market-connections

Black Market Connections <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your first main phase, choose one or more —
• Sell Contraband — Create a Treasure token. You lose 1 life.
• Buy Information — Draw a card. You lose 2 life.
• Hire a Mercenary — Create a 3/2 colorless Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. You lose 3 life. (It has every creature type.)

[gritty nest]

maybe

im pretty comfortable with the deck as is, but it mainly needs the jeskas will like you pointed out and a roaming throne because roaming throne

[lusty trench]

Roaming throne do just be the most ridiculous card printed recently

It did not need ward 2 lmao

[gritty nest]

lmao

but yea, minotaur is going to be blinged out

[lusty trench]

I can respect that

[gritty nest]

-# why is foil extended Jeskas Will $100

[lusty trench]

Meanwhile I’m running different language cards because they’re cheaper

Cause it staple

[gritty nest]

on my way to use my Epson Printer

(Fuck HP)

debating

[lusty trench]

All hail the Epson printer for allowing third party cartridges and splitting the colours so you can just buy the one you need

[gritty nest]

do I order the three tree and Roaming throne (Foil Borderless), or three tree and jeska's will (a regular one and not that fucking extended foil)

[[!Roaming Throne|LCI|344]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/344/roaming-throne

Roaming Throne

[gritty nest]

looks ugly as fuck

[lusty trench]

Tbh just get an extended regular art foil

This art sucks

[gritty nest]

theres no extended

also

both from verified sellers

buying the borderless foil would just make more sense

i hate everything currently

my bank denied the charge but the money still got withdrawn

[twilit canyon]

man i saw this card and had to double take

cus i didnt see the 3

[trail anvil]

shame cause the fresno nightcrawler cryptid is really cool

I like this though, very terrifying

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/l_HOa4TMuDEaQIAjZnOsM1Rp9j9ILTJowwR2q0fPoeU/https/i.redd.it/czdrepazflod1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=813&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DfnPV_QGlqEkUdlX2IM9SUQ4BcS_VuI9wT7mtu0ZUKE/https/i.redd.it/lzy1j63pflod1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=813&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ftOKdy4JuT6VPyiHoOXGe22pTtxTXaLMe8frAGO0tkc/https/i.redd.it/4arn5qgaflod1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=417&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mc4PC1VQHUhebLRRAtNjsnBpst2xRN2qqkKJ2gXIGYg/https/i.redd.it/wvrh3vf01mod1.jpeg?format=webp&width=417&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5cLQQb8vzk56T43Oh2vxIO5O2jfj9w8B2sP9F6WLOdw/https/i.redd.it/csuzspr7flod1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=406&height=581

[rigid scarab]

Pick for me chat

[trail anvil]

toluz because I have a soft spot for dies triggers commanders

[rigid scarab]

Anyone else

[steady onyx]

toluz

[stark skiff]

Wow Rakdos sucks. Magic players buying out the wrong precon like usual. Simic being Simic like always.

[lusty trench]

Rakdos is actually cracked, issue is in casual pods you’re playing archenemy

People aren’t used to being punished for popping off

My order for beating these decks should be prioritize zimone, aminatou, valgavoth and then winter

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon @fallow citrus Holy

seath's dhadow real???

[fallow citrus]

holy based

[sleek ferry]

[[detective’s phoenix]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/116/detectives-phoenix

Detective's Phoenix <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Phoenix
Bestow—, Collect evidence 6. (To pay this bestow cost, pay and exile cards with total mana value 6 or greater from your graveyard.)
Flying, haste
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and has flying and haste.
You may cast Detective's Phoenix from your graveyard using its bestow ability.
2/2

[atomic harness]

[[seneschal of the sun]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/156/inti-seneschal-of-the-sun

Inti, Seneschal of the Sun <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Whenever you attack, you may discard a card. When you do, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature. It gains trample until end of turn.
Whenever you discard one or more cards, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card until your next end step.
2/2

[sleek ferry]

Inti is broken

[golden plover]

I wish [[Dualcaster Mage]] was pioneer legal

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/165/dualcaster-mage

Dualcaster Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When Dualcaster Mage enters, copy target instant or sorcery spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"It has been my experience that disasters like to strike in pairs."
2/2

[golden plover]

They should put him back in standard

I wanna play neoform combo again

[twilit canyon]

and someone won a few days ago with green black rock too

[twilit canyon]

so is detective's phoenix

its just an actual good card if u are aggro and thats a v aggro list

[golden plover]

Hmm is there a way to make this deck timeless playable?

It'd theoretically have the kill before energy and show and tell

[twilit canyon]

survive energy and kill before snt

so idts

we do have bop

and drs though

8 1 mana dorks

tap for wubrg

[atomic harness]

[[nethergoyf]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/103/nethergoyf

Nethergoyf <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Lhurgoyf
Nethergoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in your graveyard and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1.
Escape—, Exile any number of other cards from your graveyard with four or more card types among them. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
*/1+*

[golden plover]

The 1 mana dorks don't actually matter as much

[atomic harness]

oo is this good? it's a 4 of in the list

[golden plover]

But DRS or BOP could be good

[atomic harness]

2 more copies than bromasters

[golden plover]

This deck ran 2 mana dorks as a way to have something to kill to start the combo if you didn't see Sea Gate

[twilit canyon]

nethergoyf has crept shadow usually

[twilit canyon]

you need them

[golden plover]

Oh for sure

[twilit canyon]

without them u dont have the speed

[golden plover]

We ran gilded goose in the past

And goose is probably still fine in this

[atomic harness]

Oh how does phoenix work btw misty
Does it enchant itself?

Im noob

[twilit canyon]

nah u enchant a shadow or nethergoyf and go stupid

[golden plover]

But the combo can be done from most boardstates provided it's got a single neoform in hand and a way to get to Dualcaster on t3

[twilit canyon]

inti lords trample too

[twilit canyon]

i think the worst part is that u dont have black

[golden plover]

I don't like [[Tuktuk Rubblefort]] at all btw. But I don't think there's another haste lord in the format?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/173/tuktuk-rubblefort

Tuktuk Rubblefort <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Wall
Defender, reach
Creatures you control have haste.
As with everything else, goblins believe fortifications benefit from as many spiky bits as possible.
0/3

[atomic harness]

so if it's in the gy I can pay red and exile cmc 6 to play it as an enchantment to buff goyf or shadow

[twilit canyon]

theres a kamigawa guy

that pays a red

to give haste

2 drop

actually

[atomic harness]

I'm gonna bot a few more cards if u don't mind

[twilit canyon]

we get pimage in dsk iirc

[twilit canyon]

yep

[golden plover]

There's Samut and Purphoros but both are bad

[twilit canyon]

yea no point for that

[atomic harness]

[[tarfire]] [[boggart traveler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/55/tarfire

Tarfire <:manar:292901508796645397>

Kindred Instant — Goblin
Tarfire deals 2 damage to any target.
"After Auntie brushed the soot from her eyes, she discovered something wonderful: the fire had turned the goat into something that smelled delicious." —A tale of Auntie Grub

No card found for “boggart traveler”

[golden plover]

And we can't be paying extra mana because we're tapped out by sea gate into neoform

[twilit canyon]

pimage can maybe make this work?

[golden plover]

I think it's gotta be tuktuk

[atomic harness]

Kindred

[twilit canyon]

since you are copying mv2

[[boggart trawler]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/243/boggart-trawler-boggart-bog

Boggart Trawler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Goblin
When Boggart Trawler enters, exile target player's graveyard.
"Look what I found, and it's only been dead for a week!"
3/1

Boggart Bog
Land
As Boggart Bog enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
A boggart warren is usually located in a place rich with sensations... good and bad.

[twilit canyon]

its a land creature that bolts you for shadow

[golden plover]

Wait what card?

[atomic harness]

oh that's pog

[twilit canyon]

kindred instant means you are at 2 for delirium/goyf

[atomic harness]

so tarfire is shock that also pumps goyf/shadow

[twilit canyon]

gorou gorou or whatevs his name is

[twilit canyon]

just goyf

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

u can cheat the escape cost in a pinch if u exile tarfire + urza's saga for instance

[golden plover]

Yeah we can't use Goro Goro since we'd be tapped out when doing the combo

[twilit canyon]

thats 4 card types

[sleek ferry]

Oh kindred counts as a type? Tdil

[twilit canyon]

always has

[atomic harness]

Yh this deck is heat I'm in

you think it's gonna catch on?

[twilit canyon]

creature, land, instant, sorcery, enchantment, artifact, planeswalker, battle, kindred

[twilit canyon]

if u can aggro out energy yes

see

a thing ppl dont talk about a lot

is that energy is kinda shit against goyf

both goyfs

[atomic harness]

Holy...

[twilit canyon]

they fucking hate the two cards

they are just way too thick

[atomic harness]

is it just like too fat

goated

[twilit canyon]

and reliably killing them with galvanic is doable but annoying

it means reckless energy spending hurts thsm

so u need premium removal like static prison (sorcery, vulnerable to removal itsefl)

[golden plover]

@twilit canyon what if non-white? Splashes for Thoughtseize and Assemble the Team

[twilit canyon]

and dem tutor

but theres nothing else for u there

[golden plover]

It'd let us sideboard better too, but I don't know how much we'd even wanna be siding

This combo is very all-in

[twilit canyon]

and i think just too slow

t1 bop, t2 set up, t3 kill if they have no interaction

i think u keep this combo to historic

u also have bop there and the combo competition is less fierce

[golden plover]

OH WAIT

[[Imodane's Recruiter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/229/imodanes-recruiter-train-troops

Imodane's Recruiter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Knight
When Imodane's Recruiter enters, creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
2/2

Train Troops
Sorcery — Adventure
Create two 2/2 white Knight creature tokens with vigilance. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)

[golden plover]

Same MV as Tuktuk, but it actually wins you the game

[twilit canyon]

not soft vs removal

true

[golden plover]

Much better card for what we'd wanna do

Hmm

Incredibly rough list

But the idea is something like this

Turns out I don't have any bop and if it's going into historic, there's no reason to play deathrite Shaman

Really hoping they put Dualcaster in Foundations so I can play this in pioneer

[twilit canyon]

mana confluence

dont leave home without it

[golden plover]

Oh true, I have like 2 of those

This is working

I don't think people remember this combo, so they're not prepared for it

[twilit canyon]

tbf theres too many decks in historic to plan vs all of them

[golden plover]

True, I am also only doing Bo1 until I figure out a sideboard for it

But it's a fun combo and I'm glad it's working somewhere

I'm begging them to put Dualcaster into Foundations so this deck can get banned in pioneer

Tbf it's also a lot easier to interrupt in Bo3 (although iirc the build we made a few years back won the first couple historic tournaments)

Imodane's Recruiter is actually huge for this deck tho

[atomic harness]

Ok screw shadow we're playing the rock now baby

[golden plover]

Means they can't just out you with a fatal push now

[atomic harness]

tarmogoyf my beloved

[twilit canyon]

based

are u buying in for paper?

[atomic harness]

not yet but it's tempting for sure

[twilit canyon]

a list like that gb list is honestly pretty cheap i imagine

they have reprinted a ton of the cards all over the place except for urza's saga

but that card is worth owning?

[[$tarmogoyf]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/235/tarmogoyf

Prices for Tarmogoyf

Fallout

$23.83

30th Anniversary Play Promos

$44.21

The List

$17.33 • €14.57

Time Spiral Remastered

$13.39 • €10.93 • 1.25 TIX

Ultimate Box Topper

$32.52 • €32.26 • 2.96 TIX

Ultimate Masters

$14.64 • €11.40 • 1.66 TIX

Modern Masters 2017

$16.45 • €12.50 • 1.05 TIX

Modern Masters 2015

$15.90 • €11.80 • 0.93 TIX

Modern Masters

$16.13 • €12.55 • 1.57 TIX

[atomic harness]

I did keep a saga or two from the bad format

[twilit canyon]

basically 10 for a playset this is solid

[atomic harness]

Which print?

[twilit canyon]

time spiral remaster u can probs find multiple at 10

with some use

the big stickler creature may actually be nethergoyf

[[$nethergoyf]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/103/nethergoyf

Prices for Nethergoyf

Modern Horizons 3

$19.14 • €22.72 • 13.93 TIX

Modern Horizons 3

$20.00 • 16.11 TIX

[twilit canyon]

oh not too bad

[[$orcish bowmaster]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/103/orcish-bowmasters

Prices for Orcish Bowmasters

The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth

$62.63 • 39.34 TIX

The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth

$43.93 • €44.66 • 38.31 TIX

Tales of Middle-earth Promos

$52.19

The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth

$50.36 • €47.80 • 35.04 TIX

[twilit canyon]

kinda bad

that being said

if u watch the mengu video

he can convince u obm isnt very good in modern

[atomic harness]

hmm what can we put in over this fellow

bc yeah I'm fine w getting both goyfs but obm is kek

[twilit canyon]

get 2 obm its still great for sb

but

theres a ton of tech card options u can play

[[wight of the reliquary]] can be fun

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/207/wight-of-the-reliquary

Wight of the Reliquary <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Zombie Knight
Vigilance
Wight of the Reliquary gets +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard.
, Sacrifice another creature: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Her new demonic overlords prized her knowledge of Bant's landscape.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

finds saga

[atomic harness]

not bad. Uhh would maining dauthi be troll?

[twilit canyon]

nope

dauthi is good

just be mindful of how you fetch

dauthi is decent this format but it can end up lining up awkwardly into energy

same problem with [[empeoror of bones]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/90/emperor-of-bones

Emperor of Bones <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Skeleton Noble
At the beginning of combat on your turn, exile up to one target card from a graveyard.
: Adapt 2.
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Emperor of Bones, put a creature card exiled with Emperor of Bones onto the battlefield under your control with a finality counter on it. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

good card

lines up weird into energy

[atomic harness]

oh that reads rly good

[twilit canyon]

there's also the new scooze

[[keen-eyed curator]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/181/keen-eyed-curator

Keen-Eyed Curator <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Raccoon Scout
As long as there are four or more card types among cards exiled with Keen-Eyed Curator, it gets +4/+4 and has trample.
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
"Now this one's a real collector's item. They say Lily Emberseed herself drank from this mug when she was still Lily of Valley."
3/3

[twilit canyon]

oh you know what

2 obm

and 2 [[endurance]] is not a bad call

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/157/endurance

Endurance <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
Flash
Reach
When Endurance enters, up to one target player puts all the cards from their graveyard on the bottom of their library in a random order.
Evoke—Exile a green card from your hand.
3/4

[twilit canyon]

endurance still kinda goated

with the sauce

[atomic harness]

[[break the ice]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/77/break-the-ice

Break the Ice <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy target land that is snow or could produce .
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[golden plover]

Okay Neoform fees kinda real rn

Winning the majority of my games because you get online way faster than the opponent can

Nothing can take 46 on t3 and survive

[sleek ferry]

[[death’s shadow]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/82/deaths-shadow

Death's Shadow <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Avatar
Death's Shadow gets -X/-X, where X is your life total.
The shadow of the candle looms tall even as its light grows dim.
13/13

[sleek ferry]

Question, is [[the end]] not worth in a death’s shadow deck?

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/87/the-end

The End <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
This spell costs less to cast if your life total is 5 or less.
Exile target creature or planeswalker. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that permanent and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way.

[twilit canyon]

nah

u dont actually wanna go down to sub 6 life unless its lethal

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but wouldn’t you naturally get down to 5 or less, unless your opponent is literally not pressuring you?

Especially if it’s aggro vs aggro

[golden plover]

The End is pretty decent in pioneer

But in every format with Death's Shadow you have [[Surgical Extraction]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/94/surgical-extraction

Surgical Extraction <:manabp:292901508922474496>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Choose target card in a graveyard other than a basic land card. Search its owner's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that card and exile them. Then that player shuffles.

[golden plover]

Which pings you on the spot

[sleek ferry]

Oh right, I forgot this existed

[golden plover]

It's not necessarily the same thing but it basically is

[twilit canyon]

no you dont want to

bolt is extremely popular and so is phlage

going below 6 life is lethal in modern

in an aggro mirror, maybe you can still play the end

[atomic harness]

hmm misty would the deck play jegantha if not for fulmi?

[twilit canyon]

but as saint said

[twilit canyon]

noh

fulminator is goated

dont sleep on it

fulminator + agatha's soul cauldron + grist is infinite land nuke

[atomic harness]

ooo real

that's messed up

[twilit canyon]

not the most common play

but fulminator mage as a whole

is a very strong card

[sleek ferry]

[[fulminator]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/196/fulminator-mage

Fulminator Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabr:292901508939382784><:manabr:292901508939382784>

Creature — Elemental Shaman
Sacrifice Fulminator Mage: Destroy target nonbasic land.
"Burn, suffer, and trouble me no more."
2/2

[atomic harness]

[[Agatha's soul cauldron]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/242/agathas-soul-cauldron

Agatha's Soul Cauldron <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.

[twilit canyon]

[[grist the hunger tide]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/220/grist-the-hunger-tide

Grist, the Hunger Tide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Grist
As long as Grist, the Hunger Tide isn't on the battlefield, it's a 1/1 Insect creature in addition to its other types.
+1: Create a 1/1 black and green Insect creature token, then mill a card. If an Insect card was milled this way, put a loyalty counter on Grist and repeat this process.
−2: You may sacrifice a creature. When you do, destroy target creature or planeswalker.
−5: Each opponent loses life equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard.
Loyalty: 3

[twilit canyon]

make a dude

put a counter on the dude with an exiled fulminator

sack the dude

eat a (non basic) land

you can continue to do this until your opponent is out of them

or when u wanna stop bullying them

[atomic harness]

I blinked and witherbloom command popped off here

pump like crazy, get a free land and out the amulet? Holy

okay yeah fulmi was great there this game was actually just bulli

[twilit canyon]

its usually the opposite

the rock normally has a bad mu vs titan

[atomic harness]

oo interesting

witherbloom outing the amulet was really good there

[gritty nest]

Got this for foods today

[twilit canyon]

command beats a fair bit of cards in the format rn

[golden plover]

How the fuck did I win this

[fallow citrus]

got to play some games of Dandan yesterday

actually more fun than it looks in videos

[gritty nest]

Make that two cards for foods

[lusty trench]

I wish oil slicks weren't quite as faded

[golden plover]

@twilit canyon done playing for the day (been done for like 4 hours lol) but I've got a 75% wr on Neoform. Maybe this is the move?

I dunno what changes to make to the list (other than replacing the geese with BoP down the line)

But Imodane's Recruiter really revitalizes the deck

[fallow citrus]

neoform...

what a cursed deck

[twilit canyon]

idk actually

i think yea bop is a great call

but

past that idk how u optimize the list more

[golden plover]

There's the golgari assemble the team alternative from OTJ

But I dunno. I have yet to see a historic deck that can stop us if they don't thoughtseize us/have a counter for neoform

[twilit canyon]

the plot one?

[golden plover]

Yeah

If they print Dualcaster Mage into foundations, we'd have to play it instead of Assemble

[trail anvil]

is dimir still in the meta?

[golden plover]

Yeah the control decks can stop us if they know what we're doing

[copper pecan]

big if true

[glad peak]

Inb4 more death means 2 deaths (1 more than usual) and both are the new pov characters

[golden plover]

Did literally anyone die in Duskmorn?

Tamiyo "died" for the third time

[copper pecan]

the people who bullied marina died

a bunch of people died in the first side story

[golden plover]

Yeah but they don't count

A bunch of randoms died in a bunch of arts in the set too

It's just surpising no one relvant died in the horror plane

[glad peak]

Sure but counts toward death count

Speaking of, loot should be dead

[copper pecan]

don't kill the scrimblo

[glad peak]

Then give us a cute loot card

[golden plover]

They introduced the gross macguffin baby like 2 sets ago

But yeah, I'm fine with Loot going

[trail anvil]

he's probably important in the future

[gritty nest]

give us a 5c loot instead

[glad peak]

Cringe commander

Restrict the colors, mono color loot

[gritty nest]

colorless loot

[copper pecan]

man they really reprinted [[cavern of souls]] in lci and didn't errata it to be a cave even though caves matter in the set

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/269/cavern-of-souls

Cavern of Souls

Land
As Cavern of Souls enters, choose a creature type.
: Add .
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell of the chosen type, and that spell can't be countered.

[trail anvil]

ye a number of people were complaining about that lol

the style's on sale today tho, that's cool

[gritty nest]

Question for you guys. If someone was building a deck for every color combination, would you allow an Ulalek deck that uses 11 or so colored pips be classified as a colorless deck?

“5” from Ulalek itself
30 pips in the 99

[golden plover]

I wouldn't consider Ulalek colorless

[gritty nest]

I call him 5 colorless as a joke

[trail anvil]

wouldn't the friend group you do it with/pod's opinion matter the most

I generally wouldn't consider it colorless either even if the cards are all devoid

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon I watched the detailed vid some more. He did call obm rather weak most of the time and there were times where it was hard for him to stick a chungus (like dead drawing/not getting any)

also one game where blue magus hosed him (scary)

[twilit canyon]

harbinger is such a funny card

but he could have played around it (he got greedy)

[atomic harness]

aye he talked abt that. Also would you run more than 1 surveil land?

[twilit canyon]

tough to say

see part of me thinks

this list would be fucking sick as sultai with frog

and [[stubborn denial]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial

Stubborn Denial <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays .
Ferocious — If you control a creature with power 4 or greater, counter that spell instead.
The Temur have no patience for subtlety.

[twilit canyon]

as in trading urza's saga for blue lands frogs and stubs

which does make

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

surveil lands better

but

it makes your mana more awk

id stick to 1

[atomic harness]

ya some of the folks I know said even the current base was whack

[twilit canyon]

saga is such a weird card

[atomic harness]

boots were cute in the one game made a newly deployed goyf punch the opp in the face with the quickness

[twilit canyon]

its broken yes

but it can make casting spells weird

its not like legacy with wasteland

thats a spell land not a land land

[atomic harness]

yeah I can kinda see it

think there's defo room for improvement in the list

also I'm not sure if mtgo hates him or that it's just that unlikely to open a goyf in 7

[twilit canyon]

quite

its the nature of decks like that

sometimes, saga is your only real threat

[atomic harness]

think that's why I wanted to try out emperor or dauthi mained

[twilit canyon]

grist is good but its also a fickle beast

dauthi can suck vs energy

but solid vs everything else

emperor of boners is nice tho

[atomic harness]

he was on 4 obm right? could probably move 2 to side to test out emperor and/or dauthi

[twilit canyon]

for sure

if u wanna try saga-less

u di revamp the deck a lil bit

[atomic harness]

also hmm yeah grist is kinda tough to use sometimes
He mentioned that 3 mana is too slow for modern which was the argument against lotv

[twilit canyon]

*do

if u try dauthi

u cant try saga

saga can make it uncastable

[atomic harness]

Real

I kinda wanna explore sagaless even tho that sounds mad

[twilit canyon]

i could see adding lili

lol

4 baubles

[atomic harness]

kinda funny how his threat half of the games was just thoughtseize

[twilit canyon]

2 cauldrons

[atomic harness]

or how the bauble topdeck was terrible so it's a fetch asap

[twilit canyon]

the artifacts are traded for lotv

experience true boomer magic

casting lili and goyf in 2024 moderb

*modern

[atomic harness]

Real

also wow u belcher was kinda scary there

[twilit canyon]

could try a handy dandy [[mosswood knight]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/231/mosswood-dreadknight-dread-whispers

Mosswood Dreadknight <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Knight
Trample
When Mosswood Dreadknight dies, you may cast it from your graveyard as an Adventure until the end of your next turn.
3/2

Dread Whispers
Sorcery — Adventure
You draw a card and you lose 1 life. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)

[atomic harness]

yooo I was just thinking Abt this

I wanted to ask you what you thought of it

[twilit canyon]

"im really struggling to find a card for my golgari midrange deck"
the humble dreadknight:

hes absolutely filler

but that can win games sometimes

tbqh

[atomic harness]

wonder if we can also play abrupt decay in sagaless or if there's other better slots

think I wanna side endurance for sure

[twilit canyon]

decay can come in

but decay is also weird

can be great or unplayable

[atomic harness]

time to play dismember (jk the card is probably washed )

[twilit canyon]

no need

we have a lot of good removal already

dismember is for tron

even then

[atomic harness]

yeye there's gotta be some cool golgari utility card we're missing

we have thoughtseize, witherbloom command and lots of removal

[twilit canyon]

could do [[innkeeper's talent]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[twilit canyon]

last line of text + lili

instant ults

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

its slow tho

and isnt a threat itself

unfort drs is banned

[atomic harness]

[[grist, the hunger tide]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/220/grist-the-hunger-tide

Grist, the Hunger Tide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Grist
As long as Grist, the Hunger Tide isn't on the battlefield, it's a 1/1 Insect creature in addition to its other types.
+1: Create a 1/1 black and green Insect creature token, then mill a card. If an Insect card was milled this way, put a loyalty counter on Grist and repeat this process.
−2: You may sacrifice a creature. When you do, destroy target creature or planeswalker.
−5: Each opponent loses life equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard.
Loyalty: 3

[atomic harness]

deathrite would actually be so hype

[twilit canyon]

ult isnt important for grist

[atomic harness]

hm yeah

[twilit canyon]

u run grist as a 3 mana removal or creature generator

hm

[atomic harness]

oh someone said necrodominance might be a tough MU, not sure what to do about that aside from obm and pray

[twilit canyon]

i dont hate lili tho fr

[atomic harness]

her removal is slightly more affordable than grist

[twilit canyon]

u lose and go to next lol

sometimes in modern, u just do that

it happens

[atomic harness]

understandable

[twilit canyon]

of course

[atomic harness]

think I like the decks matchup spread still

[twilit canyon]

as reiderrabbit says

never concede

no actually tho necreo's match up can be angled for

[atomic harness]

ooh

[twilit canyon]

decay actually helps there lol

[atomic harness]

finally the goat...

[twilit canyon]

dominance is end step trigger

means that they have a window to shoot it

fuliminator and break the ice are good vs tron/eldrazi

deluge good vs energy as is goyfs

adding lotv would help vs control

[glad peak]

btw as expected leyline of transformation is presaling at a high price

[twilit canyon]

when will they learn...

[atomic harness]

Nice troll card

oh cavern declaring lhurgoyf is too narrow right

[twilit canyon]

wait shit losing saga loses us enchantment

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[atomic harness]

yep stuck w saga

let's pull up the list again rq

[twilit canyon]

i actually think obm can be replaced anyways

[[nowhere to run]] next set is interesting

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/111/nowhere-to-run

Nowhere to Run <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Flash
When Nowhere to Run enters, target creature an opponent controls gets -3/-3 until end of turn.
Creatures your opponents control can be the targets of spells and abilities as though they didn't have hexproof. Ward abilities of those creatures don't trigger.

[atomic harness]

oh that's rly cool

does it out troublesome stuff in particular? also gives us enchantments

[twilit canyon]

its an enchantment that stays on field but anything that'd protect itself with some form of hex or ward doesnt

meaning your kills are sacred

[[drag to the roots]] will be a trap tho

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/213/drag-to-the-roots

Drag to the Roots <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Delirium — This spell costs less to cast as long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard.
Destroy target nonland permanent.
"Valgavoth commands us to feed the trees. Let our blood be their mulch, our flesh their soil." —Victor, Valgavoth's seneschal

[twilit canyon]

if u ever face any incidental grave hate, u will hate this card

[atomic harness]

hmm I don't like this one ja

abrupt decay is right there grr

[lusty trench]

Is it strange that I’m not super feeling any excitement for duskmorn

[atomic harness]

Me too jot, me too

I'm taking over this thread, it's now goyf city

commander is over (kidding, affectionate)

[twilit canyon]

actually

[[overlord of the balemurk]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/113/overlord-of-the-balemurk

Overlord of the Balemurk <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment Creature — Avatar Horror
Impending 5— (If you cast this spell for its impending cost, it enters with five time counters and isn't a creature until the last is removed. At the beginning of your end step, remove a time counter from it.)
Whenever Overlord of the Balemurk enters or attacks, mill four cards, then you may return a non-Avatar creature card or a planeswalker card from your graveyard to your hand.
5/5

[lusty trench]

I mean we’re commander players we get everything we’ll live

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/PaWTZKZ3U2w

[twilit canyon]

commander is over

[copper pecan]

i love overlord of the balemurk

[twilit canyon]

if i dont ever see a commander again, it'll be too soon still

[sudden lava]

Chatterfang Inclusion Syndrome -gender

[copper pecan]

i know it's probably bad but i like it

[twilit canyon]

nah i was just

[lusty trench]

I initially thought balemurk was ass and then I saw the impending cost and I was like… maybe someone can cook

[twilit canyon]

thinking about adding it to the rock with ren rn

yall these are the titan cycle all over again

[atomic harness]

ya I just wanna see the goyfs tbh the deck is fiending for it

[lusty trench]

Cause 2 mana is hella reasonable