i mean you know how easy it is to go infinite in a blue artifact deck?
#Magic the Gathering
proud shore
glad peak
yep but in the setup turns you're more likely to lose those pieces than to use it
also usually the infinites are infinite mana, cards are a lot harder to come by without an outlet commander
proud shore
yep but in the setup turns you're more likely to lose those pieces than to use i...
i never had that issue with emrikal, unstable portal, infinate mana, battlethopter commander that gives colorless flash, and unwinding clock
except when an eldrazi casually banishes half my deck
glad peak
Unstable portal?
Also none of those cards are recursion for when you discard any of those cards to the deck you described as a wheels deck
proud shore
Also none of those cards are recursion for when you discard any of those cards t...
wheels?
im not playing mindrazer
glad peak
Huh I thought you said it was a wheels deck, never mind
Wheels doesn’t mean mindrazer, blue and red have more than enough
proud shore
this is a "give my opponent stuff they don't want" deck
glad peak
Do you have any cards that are actively detrimental to the person holding them?
proud shore
Do you have any cards that are actively detrimental to the person holding them?
i'm gonna figure that out
glad peak
But still losing or not seeing any of the 4 combo cards that don’t do anything outside the combo is a big problem
You got a more compact way to draw your deck?
proud shore
i could figure out something
glad peak
That’s one way to do it and then you need infinite mana which isn’t that hard to come by but you’re gonna need more bricks
proud shore
That’s one way to do it and then you need infinite mana which isn’t that hard to...
yeah, i just wanna find a few ways to get this done so if my cards get outed i'm all good, but also so i'm not tryingto get 6 specific one ofs
so like, i'll prolly be doing this AND some way of generating infinate mana, infinate food, giving the food, and drawing off commander?
like uhh
glad peak
You won’t need infinite food since you’re not going the route of taking your opponent’s turn and making them lose life from eating the food
golden plover
This feels like you wanna build Elsha ngl
proud shore
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glad peak
You have some tutors and recursion from underworld breech but now you’re playing combo without a combo commander
proud shore
This feels like you wanna build Elsha ngl
i mean i'm just hashing out an endgame
golden plover
Elsha + Top + [[Helm of Awakening]] is basically doing what you'd wanna be doing
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Artifact
Spells cost 
less to cast.
"This little prize will cover your head, your spells, your bets, and your behind!" —Pashad ibn Asim, Suq'Ata trader
glad peak
With this many cards to facilitate the endgame combo, you might as well be building a pure combo deck
proud shore
my midgame is gonna be dumping cards with drawbacks onto opponents
proud shore
With this many cards to facilitate the endgame combo, you might as well be build...
i mean i'm, still trying to find ideas
none of these combos are garenteed to be in said deck
glad peak
You would either be looking to compact the combo to fewer cards and be a completely different win condition or going to build around the combo itself
proud shore
You would either be looking to compact the combo to fewer cards and be a complet...
SMH why is it so hard to force my opponent to pull a squidward? (the krabby paddy episode where he explodes)
glad peak
You can do whatever you want in magic, it’s just a lot harder in a singleton format with interactions and 4 players 
proud shore
oh i do a lot of 1v1s
proud shore
You’re playing zedruu in 1v1 commander? <:334:1222883693832704011>
LOOK, i legit played a deck where i took someone's turn INFINATE TIMES
i'm building a blue white stax deck
if i don't self nerf trying to force a concept my decks would be super unfun to play against
glad peak
I mean, that’s really not that hard 
proud shore
playing mystic mine, trickstars, and chain burn has severely effected my deckbuilding tastes
glad peak
Also you don’t have to play an arbitrarily bad combo to “self nerf”, there are similar win conditions in precons like the abzan food one where you eat food to drain your opponent to death
- is it really fun to go against if the point is to lock the game until you have a 6 piece combo or try to turbo into a combo to prevent your opponent from playing?
proud shore
Also you don’t have to play an arbitrarily bad combo to “self nerf”, there are s...
it's not intentionally bad, moreso trying to get a concept to work
proud shore
+ is it really fun to go against if the point is to lock the game until you have...
MAYBE i could go group hug?
glad peak
In… 1v1?
Also if you feel playing stax is boring for you and/or your opponent, group hug is even worse
trail anvil
.
Private Office
2WW
Enchantment - Room
When you unlock this door, destroy all creatures with power 3 or greater.
//
Lecture Hall
5UU
Enchantment - Room
All other permanents you control have hexproof.
this is certainly an interesting one
subtle sierra
interesting
trail anvil
shame doors enter locked if rooms are blinked, imagine this in blink 
fill a board with weenies then destroy all blockers
maybe you can afford the mana
subtle sierra
wait how do rooms work then, i might not get them
you pay the mana for a room and it enters unlocked?
then you can sorc pay mana unlock the other room?
trail anvil
ye
subtle sierra
why wouldn't the currently unlocked room unlock when blinked?
subtle sierra
no like
trail anvil
sorry I misunderstood lmao I mean
subtle sierra
if i have private office unlocked
i blink the enchantment
does it not return with private office unlocked and proc the on enter?
trail anvil
If a Room card enters without being cast—say, because it's returned to the battlefield from your graveyard or put onto the battlefield some other way—both doors will start locked. None of its abilities will be active to begin with, but you can unlock any locked door by paying its mana cost as a sorcery (meaning during your main phase when there are no spells or abilities on the stack).
this is why, apparently
subtle sierra
this is incredibly cringe
trail anvil
shit dude imagine just paying 3 mana for a room then blinking in the 7 mana side lol
that'd be fun
subtle sierra
nah blink in the thing you had
but yeah if it enters from gy, ig it makes sense
i understand why it's like that rulling wise, but holy blinking the unlocked room back just makes sense to me
stark skiff
How does the gift mechanic work with Narset? Can I gift a card to an opponent who has drawn already and still get the full effect of the card?
stark skiff
trail anvil
How does the gift mechanic work with Narset? Can I gift a card to an opponent wh...
apparently so, as long as it's promised it's good
trail anvil
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yTmzG9oV0S30XidBtM3hSga6NHFKBDrx1Eu...
damn dude this could go hard as a commander lmao. either way that's some big burn in go-wide
I think this is constructed playable with how hard you can race with it
stark skiff
apparently so, as long as it's promised it's good
huh neat. In a semi-related note can Ms. Bumbleflower give a card to someone under Narset?
trail anvil
you can target someone and afaik you should still be able to give the +1 counter no matter what
golden plover
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yTmzG9oV0S30XidBtM3hSga6NHFKBDrx1Eu...
This is genuinely very good for Boros convoke, yeah?
She probably does about 4 on ETB, then you can turn her into 3 1/1s
Also wow they changed 1 letter
Oh wait 2 letters
Still too obvious
golden plover
Fear of Abduction 4WW
Enchantment Creature - Nightmare (U)
As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile a creature you control.
Flying.
When ~ enters, exile target creature an opponent controls.
When ~ leaves the battlefield, return each card exiled with it to their owners’ hands.
5/5
——-
Charred Foyer 3R
Enchantment - Room (I think it’s either Rare or Mythic, hard to tell at that resolution)
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
///
Curving Room(?) 4RR
Once per turn, you may pay 0 rather than the mana cost of a spell you cast from exile.
Seeing a regular ass grey alien on a card looks... Very wrong
Should've been a phyrexian or something
sleek ferry
Bo1 decks should be built to combat red aggro, otherwise you’re wasting your time
golden plover
No singular mountain?
fallow citrus
not one
golden plover
Interesting. I know a lot of Belcher builds run a 1-off mountain to guarantee the kill
But I guess you run risk of hitting it like 4 cards deep and just losing
fallow citrus
exactly
fallow citrus
https://preview.redd.it/8st0qz4pbrnd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=1ad871817d27198f88ae26d6f...
wait I didn't see this art lmaoo
bogos binted lookin ass
golden plover
Really should've been a phyrexian lmao
fallow citrus
nahh I love it being an alien
I hope an omenpath leads to a plane that's just stereotypical aliens now
sudden lava
Fear of Abduction 4WW
Enchantment Creature - Nightmare (U)
As an additional co...
Not an Alien 
Commander hints time
copper pecan
i like the alien
fallow citrus
me when I spend mana to cast 👽
lusty trench
commander hints
a deck has already been posted
sudden lava
13 Hints (ooh spooky)
Only for new cards (None for the UG cards cuz was already revealed)
- There is a legend that grants all your enchantments a specific keyword
- There is a card with miracle that mirrors a seven-mana sorcery
- There is a card with an ability that begins, "You may cast spells from the top of your library by...."
- There is a card that makes you choose between the modes "Believe" or "Doubt"
- There is a black creature with miracle.
- There is a card that has an ability which begins "Whenever you cast a spell, if the amount of mana spent to cast it was less then its mana value...."
- There is a card called Sadistic Shell Game that begins, "Starting with the next opponent in turn order..."
- There is a new kindred card that has changeling.
- There is a card named "Seance Board"
- There is a card that begins with "All creatures get -x/-x until end of turn where x is..."
- There is a new room that has a similar effect to a popular hybrid enchantment.
- There is a card with the ability, "Each spell you cast that's a Demon, Horror, or Nightmare costs 1 less to cast".
- There is a card that combines two Alpha enchantments together!
sudden lava
>commander hints
>a deck has already been posted
the hints exclude Jumpscare
lusty trench
Ahhh good good
a legend that grants all your enchantments a keyword
… I know it’s not aminatou but it sounds like aminatou lmao
sudden lava
secondary commander of Aminatou's precon easy
lusty trench
new room with effect of popular hybrid enchantment
…we already have a privileged position like effect on a room
So im struggling to think of what it could be
sudden lava
New Kindred changeling surely is Valgavoth deck
especially with hint 12 suggesting his deck may include more demons/horrors/nightmares
golden plover
lusty trench
Oh that’s cute
golden plover
Nice art for murder
lusty trench
Nice psycho reference
lusty trench
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1282724966911180892/...
This reminds me of that one shadows over innistrad cards
golden plover
But it gets the vibe across
golden plover
This reminds me of that one shadows over innistrad cards
It's actually [[Unending Nightmare]] and they unban my BOY LETS GO
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lusty trench
sudden lava
golden plover
[[Recurring Nightmare]]
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sudden lava
Kinda wanna build Arabelia
golden plover
It's absolutely not recurring nightmare but it'd be funny if it was
fallow citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1282724966911180892/...
this is thoughtseize no?
golden plover
Arabella is still like the laziest name in the set ngl
golden plover
this is thoughtseize no?
It does look like Thoughtseize
But would they put Thoughtseize in a precon?
fallow citrus
oh it could be uh
sudden lava
New rat
fallow citrus
whats bootleg thoughtseize again
golden plover
Thoughtseize is like $10, and ngl, kinda bad in commander
golden plover
whats bootleg thoughtseize again
Duress?
Duress has also never been in a precon, but I'd believe it over Thoughtseize
I think they avoid putting hand rip cards in precons
sudden lava
https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Friendly-Teddy-Duskmourn-Spoiler-400x559.png
New bear
twilit canyon
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GKEi8eW-Dx1UTirSuZHFenUnNsx8wPXZbnP...
this card is also very good
golden plover
In formats with fetches the cost isn't non-existent, but it's easier
I think in standard and pioneer, it enters on t4-5 with 2-3 mana open and cards in hand to protect it
The biggest issue is RIP and LoTV everywhere
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Creature — Ogre Warrior
Whenever another creature you control enters, that creature gets +2/+0 and gains haste until end of turn. (It can attack and 
this turn.)
Ogres are driven by passion, rage, and another ogre standing behind them with a whip.
3/3
lusty trench
sudden lava
More commander removal enchantments yay
lusty trench
subtle sierra
black enchantment removal 👁️
broken fjord
Unironically good in mono black. I think?
golden plover
Is this not the best we've ever gotten?
It's instant speed
And it's comparable to [[Feed the Swarm]]
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broken fjord
That color really is starved for enchantment removal.
trail anvil
it's supposed to be lol
golden plover
1 mana more for less life loss sometimes and instant speed (the bigger upside)
trail anvil
ah yes, the rare/mythic that's just a green spell with x and the set mechanic
twilit canyon
its basically the same as the green invoke except you get to mill 2 cards of your choice and manifest 2 of your choice
sudden lava
the scaling btw
golden plover
sudden lava
plus selective mill each token of course
golden plover
This is the least fitting art in the set holy shit
Looks like a HS card they randomly put the sword on
On the bright side, he actually looks like how the story describes survivor outfits
stark skiff
https://preview.redd.it/tdr5tq457tnd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=10c75212b764f531d58b97b60...
What’s the point of haste on second main phase
golden plover
What’s the point of haste on second main phase
Wait lmao you're right
It comes up in niche situations where you've got an extra combat
But true
golden plover
What’s the point of haste on second main phase
Wait it lets it still tap if it entered that turn
sudden lava
What’s the point of haste on second main phase
extra combat steps or if your opponent has [run for your life]
lusty trench
Extra combat, let's you still tap the land for mana etc
last glen
https://preview.redd.it/5ljxig833tnd1.png?width=700&format=png&auto=webp&s=329d2...
This is almost a strict upgrade to Ogre Battledriver, ain't it?
zinc shard
https://youtu.be/odmBYZFgCJ8?si=1GHYqd1hFPhWdvSl
Was not expecting James of all people to be on the show
last glen
Only additional weakness is that it's weak to enchantment removal
and you lose out on some synergies
But you gain other synergies
trail anvil
has he not been on the show before? I could've sworn I saw a short of him on this show earlier this week
zinc shard
not sure
gritty nest
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mgg7-NZLra61ujm7nkyJHccLm8ouCm4pbvE...
I see every single Boros gremlin generator and get sad
[[Gimbal, Gremlin Prodigy]]
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sudden lava
has he not been on the show before? I could've sworn I saw a short of him on thi...
He was in the preview for this episode
It's also his first time playing magic for youtube
gritty nest
I preordered a couple sealed duskmorn things
stark skiff
Wait it lets it still tap if it entered that turn
I thought you could always tap them
golden plover
I thought you could always tap them
Not if it becomes a creature
stark skiff
Oh okay not as weird then lol
steady onyx
Bo1 decks should be built to combat red aggro, otherwise you’re wasting your tim...
so thanprobaly dont play simic cookies if im insta losing to red aggro?
sleek ferry
so thanprobaly dont play simic cookies if im insta losing to red aggro?
Just adjust it for bo3, you’ll perform better there
lusty trench
I make fun of it sometimes, but man I love my lgs
polar lake
is it even modern playable
steady onyx
Just adjust it for bo3, you’ll perform better there
I dont wanna play bo3
that sounds like too much time
lusty trench
is it even modern playable
I think modern has better options?
zinc shard
its competing with [[Relic of Progenitus]] and [[Tormod's Crypt]]
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Artifact
: Target player exiles a card from their graveyard.
, Exile Relic of Progenitus: Exile all graveyards. Draw a card.
Elves believe the hydra-god Progenitus sleeps beneath Naya, feeding on forgotten magics.
Artifact
, Sacrifice Tormod's Crypt: Exile target player's graveyard.
Dominaria's most extravagant crypt nevertheless holds an empty grave.
trail anvil
I think you're using it more for its "reanimation" than anything else
polar lake
i can see it played in standard for a weird vacuum control list
sudden lava
Anyone gonna go to the trick or treat event?
twilit canyon
is it even modern playable
of course
modern has strong options but this is playable
sleek ferry
@twilit canyon should I build goryo’s irl ?
Want to start hitting my modern circuit by November
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Artifact Creature — Myr
: Add 
.
The myr are like the Glimmervoid: blank canvases on which to build grand creations.
2/2
Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Flying
, 
: Add one mana of any color. ( is the untap symbol.)
It wasn't really expected to fly. Then again, it wasn't expected to move, either.
1/1
stark skiff
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1282844502922629242/...
oh look its ultron
zinc shard
[[Sleep Cursed Faerie]] [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]]
This is infinite mana in Standard if you can put a +1/+1 counter on the mimic
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying, ward
Sleep-Cursed Faerie enters tapped with three stun counters on it. (If it would become untapped, remove a stun counter from it instead.)
: Untap Sleep-Cursed Faerie.
3/3
Creature — Spirit
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a permanent you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that permanent instead.
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is Kami of Whispered Hopes's power.
Nashi knelt reverently before the kami and envisioned his family reunited.
1/1
zinc shard
or boost its power in some way
lusty trench
Man manabarbs is such a feels bad card id be surprised if they did it
But I’d support it cause it’d be funny
sudden lava
Pestilence Barbs
2BR
Whenever a land is tapped for mana, deal 1 damage to all players and creatures
???
(and sac if no creatures in play at end of turn)
lusty trench
“Blighted lands” might be a more thematic name choice, like the lands themselves festering in disease
sudden lava
Whatever they do for it, cant wait to see the rest of the precon reveals
especially the valgavoth deck
lusty trench
The UKs most popular most popular magic the gathering seller sold out of the valgavoth deck for pre order… they were selling it for £60
sudden lava
glad I managed to order it before it ran out
stark skiff
The UKs most popular most popular magic the gathering seller sold out of the val...
wow have they not heard of Ob Nix
lusty trench
Valgavoth also has the benefit of being raw af
sleek ferry
That’s disgusting
lusty trench
sleek ferry
That’s cute
lusty trench
I’d take this over “demon sits in chair stuck in the 1920s” any day
sudden lava
wait, it could be power surge
steady onyx
@sleek ferry golgari or rakados duskmourn precon
stark skiff
https://youtu.be/odmBYZFgCJ8?si=1GHYqd1hFPhWdvSl
Was not expecting James of all...
forgot Arin was gonna be playing Wick. love that deck.
rigid scarab
Not too off from his other art
I do wanna ask where tf the light source is coming from though
golden plover
Fuck whatever YouTuber came up with that [[Enigmatic Incarnation]] Keruga deck
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golden plover
Feels like shit to lose to, but it's also really bad
fallow citrus
is this not just a fires deck
golden plover
It is, but they're not always on fires
It's an "Oops all O-Rings" deck at this point
T2 Leyline binding, T3 Lockdown, t4 Atraxa
It's not as good as say something like Mono-G devotion but it's annoying for it to eat my board every turn
zinc shard
Body Tracker - 2U
Creature - Human Scout (Rare)
Flash
Eerie - Whenever an enchantment you control enters and whenever you fully unlock a Room, draw a card.
2/3
"The readings are off the charts! Whatever it is, it seems to be nearby."
New Enchantress just dropped
golden plover
Enchantress in blue?
subtle sierra
Manifest dread
burnt relic
manifest dread
fallow citrus
Manifest dread
twilit canyon
manifest dread
lusty trench
Manifest dread
glad peak
Manifest bread
barren cairn
Manifest dread
golden plover
Manifest dread
subtle sierra
ok i'm this close to adding 32 lands to my deck
i literally see no lands with 30
this is riddiculous
card that does exactly as it's name says 
twilit canyon
sudden lava
terrible
subtle sierra
This was posted before
twilit canyon
yesterday yup
sudden lava
oh is this just the english upload of the reveal? ah ok
rigid scarab
Bro
sudden lava
twilit canyon
twilit canyon
She's kill on sight
fortunately, the formats are both plagued with extremely efficient removal
golden plover
Wait standard has a show and tell deck come foundations
golden plover
If she connects you drop [[Omniscience]]
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twilit canyon
[[builder's talent]]
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Builder's Talent enters, create a 0/4 white Wall creature token with defender.
: Level 2
Whenever one or more noncreature, nonland permanents you control enter, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, return target noncreature, nonland permanent card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
golden plover
This is a lot cheaper, I think there's merit to trying both
twilit canyon
we have already been cheating in portal to phyrexia and other huge things by turn 4-5
nah
creature is not a viable creature type without an etb or significant value
sudden lava
new spider
twilit canyon
and foundations is giving us day of judgment
i can only imagine we are getting even better removal
sudden lava
why does it make insects and not spiders?
are the flies busting out of their stomach?
golden plover
T1: Forest Llanowar, T2 another llanowar if you can, but this one doesn't matter as much, then you can t3-4 into omniscience
twilit canyon
turn 5
golden plover
There's probably a standard "show and tell" deck come foundations
twilit canyon
at the earliest
golden plover
Yeah, I mean this will fold to removal
twilit canyon
t2 llanowar llanowar one dies minimum
t3 beast dead
t4 maybe you can cast a second
t5 swing
golden plover
But the idea of a theoretical show and tell-adjacent deck is a bit spooky
golden plover
Ngl I didn't like the idea of omniscience coming back to standard for his kinda reason as is
golden plover
I figure this deck is probably in Bant and runs both options
twilit canyon
and in a much better and safer way
nah
just play jeskai
ignore the beast
the beast is unplayable
maybe if we had a springleaf drum
golden plover
I mean, the beast is worse case "your opponent has to remove this card on sight"
twilit canyon
but thats not hard
like this is a completely trivial thing to do
and running the beast means u arent running discard or your own board wipes/removal options
golden plover
This is all hypothetical and really does depend on what foundations offers
If they get something like [[Heroic Intervention]] which is likely, this becomes a lot more real
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golden plover
I guess you can run [[Snakeskin Veil]] already tbh
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twilit canyon
i just dont see it
u need a haste enabler
cus we are getting day of judgment
and the most popular boardwipe is sunfall
golden plover
Oh wait I'm stupid you can do it t3
twilit canyon
or something to tap it early
golden plover
T1 llanowar, T2 vehicle, t3 beast
twilit canyon
or saddler
golden plover
Yeah true
twilit canyon
but its still super prone to removal
golden plover
Could use bronco then?
twilit canyon
at that point u are just playing a worse version of innkeeper's vraska
cus ur 1-2 is not going to be stronger than that
golden plover
Puts the deck in black and you're probably running a ton of huge cards for omniscience cheating
twilit canyon
u run less dead cards outside the combo
omni is a dead card outside of it being cheated in
you dont want it in your hand you want it in play or in the gy to get it into play
golden plover
I mean, off bronco it's 1/2 their life
The bronco deck already runs all the tutors and stacking stuff in standard
I dunno if this is a great idea, but it's something I can see people trying
lusty trench
https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Kona-Rescue-Beastie-400x...
permanent not creature
golden plover
But ngl, my whole thing with this isn't the beast
lusty trench
Casual 4 mana portal to phyrexia
golden plover
My issue is that imo, Omniscience shouldn't be in foundations
sudden lava
https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046
gif fail
golden plover
Sure the beast is also gonna enable t3 portal to Phyrexia or Atraxa
lusty trench
my embeds always fail me
golden plover
But omniscience is not a card they should have put in a non-rotating standard set
golden plover
Oh llanowar was a mistake too
Llanowar elves historically warps standards it's in
Should've been something like Gilded Goose or Paradise Druid
sudden lava
birb
glad peak
Nice, another dramascepter winning commander with necro access
Probably want a way to remove necro before milling though lol
lusty trench
They need to stop doing these reveals on live stream I can’t skip ahead to see all the cards > : (
clever sun
Commander cards 😴
lusty trench
reads second line of text
Oh this card is pretty ba
reads third line
…I mean it’s still bad but damn that’s annoying
glad peak
Damn at least give us the non-commander playable ones like that glimmer to us
sudden lava
so room esper is not totally out there
golden plover
>reads second line of text
Oh this card is pretty ba
>reads third line
…I mean i...
I mean it's 6 mana
It's like cute, but I dunno what you'd want it in
clever sun
Nothing
glad peak
It’s a commander exclusive card, literally doesn’t matter
clever sun
Frankly I'm getting SO tired of WotC printing cards for commander that enable the set mechanic without enabling it properly in Standard 
lusty trench
EVERYONES ELVES
sudden lava
definitely needs Aminatou to help cheat it out
glad peak
Bruh another commander exclusive card that’s actually interesting to play in standard
Also it’s Bambi lol
lusty trench
Bruh another commander exclusive card that’s actually interesting to play in sta...
Nah that ones main set
glad peak
Or Bambi’s mom, depends on how you see it
clever sun
This one IS in the main set
glad peak
Ok good, I was gonna say lol
glad peak
They do commander exclusive stuff with these sorts of cards so much that it’s hard to tell sometimes
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clever sun
Yep
sudden lava
OH
clever sun
AGAIN
lusty trench
DAMN
clever sun
AWFUL
lusty trench
Force of will pings for 5 god damn
sudden lava
I was not expecting this in the Miracle Worker deck
clever sun
Five whole damage in Commander
golden plover
Honestly that'd be a fun card to go through standard
golden plover
Eternal formats and stuff would like it and it'd be very fair in standard
glad peak
Tons of commander exclusive cards are
golden plover
True
clever sun
More garbage
golden plover
Could've been cute for this hypothetical omniscience bronco deck too tbh
lusty trench
Budget replenish is… a thing ig
glad peak
So much wasted potential just for the worst format in the game (yes I’m including basic lands only format)
clever sun
[[$Replenish]]
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golden plover
Why would I want a [[Control Magic]] that turns off the creature
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golden plover
And to pay 2 more mana for it
glad peak
Oh hey a card designed for commander that isn’t commander exclusive
clever sun
Control Magic is not generally printed cheap
lusty trench
I would pick a basic land over this in draft
golden plover
[[Kitnap]] literally came out last set
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clever sun
At rare, and worse
lusty trench
Oh damn nice card
glad peak
Bruh
golden plover
Fanatic is probably okay in the legacy miracle deck, right?
glad peak
Nice card, too bad it’s for commander
glad peak
Would be fun in Modern but nope
clever sun
It'd be fun in Standard if that maybe Modern
lusty trench
This set has been so wild in art quality
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glad peak
Bug busters 
sudden lava
damn this deck is so sleep
twilit canyon
i love a lot of the art here but a lot of it is insanely boring
yea too many "just people" art
sudden lava
the backup commander was kinda cool but the rest so far is meh
clever sun
Kinda
glad peak
Who thought it was a good idea to swap so many commander exclusive cards and built for commander cards in the main set?
clever sun
I think the fact that there's a lot of John Does is just whatever
clever sun
Who thought it was a good idea to swap so many commander exclusive cards and bui...
Commander brainrot
golden plover
Unironically, this set should've swapped concepts with OTJ
clever sun
100% convinced commander has done the most harm to Magic
golden plover
Have all the random legends be stuck in Duskmorn
sudden lava
GAMER
golden plover
Would've been more impactful if characters people sorta cared about were getting killed off
lusty trench
Is this the first time the more expensive room is on the left?
twilit canyon
or in actual harm's way
golden plover
And the survivors really should've been dressed from random planes like new Capenna, Kamigawa, and stuff
Would've still allowed the tech, but it wouldn't have looked all cheap and plasticy
twilit canyon
100% convinced commander has done the most harm to Magic
based
lusty trench
Imagine if the desparked walkers were sucked into duskmourn because of the rupturing and the set was them trying to escape
golden plover
Yeah that would have been really interesting
glad peak
Nah an escape room concept is too much work for them, pump more of the budget into commander design
All that money going into copypasta commander design
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lusty trench
Abysmal card
glad peak
Hold on these aren’t even for the main set
golden plover
And then it's "oh shit they just killed off Bruce and Riku is lost in the secret mines" instead of "Oh wow a survivor I don't care about is getting attacked by a monster"
glad peak
If these are for a theme commander then why not make them better
golden plover
True. All these rooms they're showing off definitely could have been main set cards
glad peak
No one else is going to use them anyways
glad peak
This set is a tragedy but a mix of dusk and dusk commander cube would be so good
golden plover
We're not gonna see a room deck in standard or anything because all the decent rooms are in commander
And all the decent rooms are too bad for commander
That and the weird jarring tone is gonna make it super hard to know who this set is for
glad peak
Commander was a mistake
golden plover
See this art FUCKS
Card is okay, but art FUCKS
If the main set was consistently this time, it'd be great t
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reprint time
glad peak
Also in standard since we have the land type duals
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golden plover
But then for every good art like that we get... This
I get what they were going for but damn
lusty trench
Dude got into the googly eyes
golden plover
And hey, this is one of the rare art misses that isn't because the humans look stupid out of place
Like I get that it's supposed to be "this looks silly from a distance but spooky up close"
But the googly eyes really kill the mood
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golden plover
That and I'm sure it's gonna be a random pet in MTGA
Augury getting a non-Mckinnon art is nice
lusty trench
Aw man that animatous augury art isn’t as good as its previous
Sucks cause mckinnon sucks
golden plover
It's good that it exists, but yeah it's not great
golden plover
Wouldn't be a recent set of one of the best arts in the set wasn't on a garbage common
lusty trench
Wow that might be the worst arcane signet art
sudden lava
for real
golden plover
Yeah that signet art is not good at all
lusty trench
Also utter end? In the year of our lord 2024? At rare??
sudden lava
staples be staples
golden plover
At least the art is nice
sudden lava
I'm not a fan of the command tower
golden plover
I don't love that command tower either
lusty trench
The Sol ring feels like it was art for something else first
sudden lava
reprint without new art time
golden plover
That expanse art is spectacular tho
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lusty trench
Love that brain stone
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lusty trench
Looks like a yugioh pot if it just didn’t give a shit
golden plover
The mindstone art is also great
lusty trench
Oh god don’t tell me ondu spirit dancer was the big money reprint
sudden lava
arvinox was original a secret lair card
golden plover
Technically yes
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golden plover
But Avrinox is not the SL one
lusty trench
Feels strange to have a universes beyond card in a commander deck
sudden lava
yeah
lusty trench
I don’t mind it but reprint good ones next time
golden plover
I mean, it's the Universes Within version
But it is weird
Also, lmao there's like nothing in this list
I know they wouldn't give us Smothering Tithe
lusty trench
Hopefully this is the short end of it
golden plover
But could we have gotten a [[Rhystic Study]] or maybe even [[Land Tax]]?
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Enchantment
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lusty trench
Nah those are chase cards
lusty trench
Smugglers share maybe?
lusty trench
It’s a mythic in a masters set
sudden lava
Also Final Fantasy leak from Ultra Pro:
||4 commander decks as well as a fuckload of accessories
28 playmats, for example||
more reprints now onto instants
sorceries
lands
not representative of how many basics
just the 2 arts ^
Archenemy time
lusty trench
inkshield
Well there we go that’s something
sudden lava
reprint
golden plover
Actually that landbase is fucking terrible
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golden plover
It's honestly impressive how shitty that mana base is
lusty trench
AND STOP STARING AT ME WITH EM BIG OL EYES
sudden lava
design philosophy they are making the schemes able to be used regardless if board state not good
(IE the scarecrow making)
golden plover
How much you wanna bet that was a smothering tithe art at first
Because that's the guy from the original art on it
lusty trench
Honestly idk what it is but the new cards in these recent commander decks have been very ass
sudden lava
previously shown new card
lusty trench
Pollywog prodigy not withstanding
golden plover
Yeah I think they're afraid of having another dockside situation so they're definitely been undertuning commander cards
golden plover
The issue with that tho is that there's already so many commander cards that when you do this with them, it makes it kinda suck
sudden lava
final scheme for miracle worker
lusty trench
Bruh they can’t just show us shy guy like this
sudden lava
So if they get to less then 30 this goes away
lusty trench
Something something 4 pixels
sudden lava
(or 20 if playing the supervillain commander variant)
Aminatou losing her spark is canon
she still powerful, just desparked
"she might get her spark back one day"
golden plover
That makes no fucking sense tho
She can just wish it back
That's literally how she got it the first time
Just saw she was gonna one day get a spark and manipulated the future to have it
atomic harness
Honestly idk what it is but the new cards in these recent commander decks have b...
Maybe it's so decks can finally be power level 4 
last glen
so uh
what's a scheme
lusty trench
Archenemy
If you’re the archenemy you get a scheme deck
You start with a scheme in motion, and whenever that scheme is discarded you enact a new scheme
Basically a 1v3 format
sudden lava
so uh
what's a scheme
In archenemy the villain gets a deck of cards to even the odds
last glen
Ahh
So not for standard play
sudden lava
correct
sleek ferry
Maybe it's so decks can finally be power level 4 <:jigglypog:1201887108768211024...
4? There’s only 2 power levels, 7 or cedh
sudden lava
its just a side variant
lusty trench
Barely anyone plays it but it’s there
Me when someone says a 4 is a precon and I pull out the Ixalan merfolk precon (I will win turn 6)
sudden lava
the archenemy gets a deck of 10+ unique scheme cards that get revealed during their upkeep and does their "set into motion" effect
1 per upkeep
sudden lava
Both the archenemy (villain) and heroes have 60 life with the heroes sharing their life pool with each other
Heroes take their turns together, dont share resources, but they block and attack together.
lusty trench
The zombie precon would body any other precon
Have you played against the merfolk precon
sleek ferry
I have not, but is it as well built as the dimir zombie one?
lusty trench
It is ridiculous
sudden lava
and the archenemy/villain can attack any player/damage players individually
for cards where that makes a difference
lusty trench
[[hakbal surging]]
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lusty trench
Card does everything
lusty trench
My lgs watching me cancel the deck if it turns out to be dogshit
zinc shard
Wasn't this Number 2?
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sudden lava
Wasn't this Number 2?
which seven mana sorcery?
zinc shard
i dont rememebr the name
zinc shard
oh i may be thinking of [[Open the Vaults]] but that's only 6
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zinc shard
i swear there was a card that did this for only you
sudden lava
[[nexus of fate]]
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sudden lava
So yeah not picking up the destiny drawesque precon, looks bad
2 down, 2 to go
dont mess up devouring father
lusty trench
I wonder what death toll will even have a reanimation targets
Cause it’s not getting archon of cruelty
lusty trench
Goes crazy in limited
Also why does the wanderer look like she’s never held a sword in her life here
sudden lava
oh secret arcade is 11
lusty trench
People are really afraid of women having muscles huh
sudden lava
orange = endless punishment
trail anvil
jesus christ that's a lot of reveals
trail anvil
backup commander
anikthea who tbh
lusty trench
The commander masters enchantment precon gonna be worth £20 now
trail anvil
a lot of its money cards are in green
I'm still amazed dryad of ilysian grove is that much lol
trail anvil
not making your opponent make the choice with stronger modes is a flavor fail
that said, getting delirium with this sounds kinda funny. -1/-1 is pretty low but it is a modal spell
trail anvil
shit that's just [[wretched confluence]]
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fallow citrus
for one mana more this seems wayyy better
although ig it's just 1 creature not multiple
trail anvil
well ye this is a rare
fallow citrus
rarity is never a factor when I think about cards but ig it should be
trail anvil
fwiw I'd go so far as to say that play a game isn't even really good until you reach delirium. I could be wrong but I feel like everyone's gonna be manifesting dread rather than pumping out 1 toughness creatures lol
fallow citrus
I think at 4 mana it's unplayable without delirium
trail anvil
tbh I'd even just think of it as a 4 mana discard 2 with alternative modes lol
you're probably not using the last one unless it's the very last life you need to win the game, or you need an emergency life boost (in which case this card is horrendous)
trail anvil
usually they're less explosive in general and less powerful
trail anvil
also wait this is an uncommon? jesus
golden plover
It's been more prominent since the play booster change, but commons and uncommons have been more complex lately
And the power level of them went up
I do think it kinda peaked at SNC, then went back down, and now it's sneaking back up
The [[Glamorous Outlaw]] cycle was really weird mechanically to be at common
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When Glamorous Outlaw enters, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and you scry 2.
, Exile Glamorous Outlaw from your hand: Target land gains ": Add , 
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" until Glamorous Outlaw is cast from exile. You may cast Glamorous Outlaw for as long as it remains exiled.
4/5
trail anvil
were they intent on pushing 3c draft archetypes that set?
golden plover
Yeah, but fun fact, you were worse off doing it
Azorious and Orzhov were BY FAR the best things to draft in SNC
And any of the 3c drafts felt miserable
glad peak
Tbh sheoldred is simple enough to have been a common
They don’t really follow the complexity rule that they claim
twilit canyon
yea
but u couldnt shelly at common
4 mana 4/5 gain 2 on draw lose 2 on opp draw and deathtouch
trail anvil
I'd argue based on power they couldn't print her at uncommon or common. if it were gain 1 deal 1 then sure, but I feel like 2 is a big difference
glad peak
Sure but rarities aren’t determined by power by their own statement
So shelly being non-complex should’ve put her in common
golden plover
Yeah the rarity complexity thing doesn't really hold weight like they claim
Also, mythics were supposed to be big splashy cards for specific decks
But they end up being good constructed cards usually
last glen
well, clearly not
Guess it didn't build enough momentum
"I'm not sure. I did do a voice for it. As far as I understand, nobody's put out a press release about it, but apparently it's not happening. That's kind of old news. I'm not sure why it's surfacing again."
guess it's been buried for a while
golden plover
I mean, they fired all the staff and tried.to bring on new people and then just gave up
zinc shard
F
golden plover
Apparently at one point the Russo Brothers were gonna showrun it... Lmao
zinc shard
Yo wtf
golden plover
Their flavor text literally says "she"
twilit canyon
what the fuck? magic players not reading?
say it aint so
also kona is such an unfortunate name
lol
lusty trench
https://collider.com/magic-the-gathering-netflix-series-cancelled/
How would this even work
lusty trench
Magic lore is at best mid
golden plover
Also, with [[Witch's Cottage]] in legacy, you can play the reanimator guy from the commander decks
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Witch's Cottage enters tapped unless you control three or more other Swamps.
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twilit canyon
guess not
golden plover
[[Citanul Stalwart]]
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Creature — Elf Druid Soldier
, Tap an untapped artifact or creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
The endless grind of the Brothers' War had fouled Terisiare's land and blackened its skies. Argoth's defenders were determined to protect their isle from the same fate.
1/1
golden plover
They're a creature
twilit canyon
thats so much worse unfoet
golden plover
But they'd work for the idea of it
Oh 100%
Not being an artifact is a big asking cost
But it does exist for this theoretical combo
There's also [[Scene of the Crime]]
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Scene of the Crime enters tapped.
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, Sacrifice Scene of the Crime: Draw a card.
twilit canyon
i think this is jumping through too many hoops to do what builder's talent does for less effort
golden plover
Yeah, I'm thinking if this deck exists it's a Golgari bronco deck that maybe splashes Atraxa
You can use it to cheat out 9 mana Valgavoth too
Which is.... Cute
twilit canyon
drafting b/g valgavoth turbo
golden plover
Honestly if someone gets both in draft, you probably win with it
But yeah there's a Golgari/Sultai deck here
golden plover
I kinda hope they do lmao
Because Elves and Omniscience are cards that probably shouldn't be going into standard
And Foundation's longer shelf life means balancing standard for as long as it's around is a lot harder
sudden lava
Their flavor text literally says "she"
Then a good girl
Puppy going to go fetch the vorinclexes of the world 😄
out of hand and onto the battlefield
No errata for creepy doll
last glen
Were we expecting one?
last glen
ahh
trail anvil
monogreen slime against humanity is a nice quick to build but good deck for the historic pauper event
trail anvil
so worse [[despark]]
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lusty trench
Nah they’re not comparable
twilit canyon
thats right
despark only hits mv 4 or higher
this hits all artifacts and enchantments
and creatures with power 4 or greater
irregardless of their mv
lusty trench
spore infection
spreads to one other guy and no one else
the spores didn’t even try
trail anvil
facilitate the spores with some aura reanimation
trail anvil
[[kutzil malamet examplar]]
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stark skiff
yeah im actually trying to win with group hug. thanks. im trying to figure out what to cut. also not sure on the mana base if i need more or not
trail anvil
wym by winning with group hug, just ascendancy?
stark skiff
oh just mean i dont wanna play usual group hug stuff where everyone can spam lands and creatures lol
trail anvil
oh so you're not playing group hug as much
or you're saying you're doing group hug but not the pieces that give more resources?
stark skiff
or you're saying you're doing group hug but not the pieces that give more resour...
Yeah just relying on Bumble targeted draws to gain favor lol
sudden lava
Sergeant Punchy to smack some people?
trail anvil
I imagine you're winning with battle damage most of the time, so I still think kutzil would be a good addition. maybe even over abolisher
sudden lava
[[sergeant john benton]]
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trail anvil
glad that you're running evolution witness tho 
gritty nest
Manifest Dreadmaw
stark skiff
glad that you're running evolution witness tho <:PoyoyoThumbsUp:9022368313981255...
Dude the synergy is so good 
And yeah didn’t know about that Kutzil
trail anvil
ye you just return your entire gy as long as it's permanents
stark skiff
Just gotta find some stuff to cut. Thinking of a Ghostly Prison or Propa
trail anvil
does your locals have strong enough decks to not focus you down?
or rather to distract from you drawing 8 cards a turn cycle lol
stark skiff
My locals is pretty casual thankfully. But they think I’m a good builder or some shit so they think I’m a threat with like one card on the field 😂
stark skiff
ye you just return your entire gy ~~as long as it's permanents~~
let me just get my counterspells bro
trail anvil
My locals is pretty casual thankfully. But they think I’m a good builder or some...
that's why I was wondering if you'd want prison/prop for how much people will see through the draws lol
stark skiff
Yeah usually one is enough to make them go elsewhere.
trail anvil
well ye but I usually mean more for redundancy than anything, albeit I guess you'll have some giant blockers lol
trail anvil
this has been pretty fun for mwm edit: holy fuck I should've been running gingerbrute instead of epicure from the start. the unblockable on this is genuinely insane
broken fjord
Nothing quite like reanimating someone's Pyrogoyf and making my commander perpetually become it. The Master Formed Anew is so fun.
Especially with Thassa out.
golden plover
Marina Vendrell - WUBRG
Legendary Creature - Human Warlock (Rare)
When ~ enters, reveal the top seven cards of your library. Put all enchantment cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
T: Choose target Room you control. Lock or unlock one of its doors. Activate only as sorcery.
Give it up for Marina being a boring 5c commander
subtle sierra
enchantment atraxa 👁️
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https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jEUt7_TjEU2PfyJR4Hr0iQ Suris dropped another new budget build, 20 dollar Arabella
Another manifest and attach
zinc shard
sudden lava
so like every Marina deck is gonna play this
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twilit canyon
holy
golden plover
Ehh close enough. Welcome back Skyclave Apparition
golden plover
Also literal actual UFOs is a weird flavor thing
copper pecan
i was fine with the alien but having a ufo is weird when this set takes place entirely indoors
trail anvil
can't hit noncreatures but can hit 95% of creatures in standard. seems like a decent trade
twilit canyon
Also literal actual UFOs is a weird flavor thing
part of the whole art + story got kinda lost from each other
trail anvil
This was nerfed during playtesting I feel it
rip or dissection tools?
twilit canyon
ufo would make way more sense if it was the house being located in a remote plane
subtle sierra
rip or dissection tools?
Rip is such an unfortunate name
trail anvil
rip
subtle sierra
Rip
trail anvil
they do look fun to build a dumb combat trick deck around
or more likely something like backup
lusty trench
rip or dissection tools?
Dissection
trail anvil
hm you think so? [[batterskull]] seems like a decent comparison with being able to turn the dread into an actual creature over being able to return it to hand
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Living weapon (When this Equipment enters, create a 0/0 black Phyrexian Germ creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +4/+4 and has vigilance and lifelink.
: Return Batterskull to its owner's hand.
Equip 
trail anvil
on second thought actually vigilance is a super strong keyword. either way I think they intended to print it like that
lusty trench
The issue is with the equip cost, battleskulls is a lot but it’s something you can do easily when behind
Plus you have the option of bouncing it to refresh just in case you run out of creatures
But manifest dread also has its upsides
trail anvil
I imagine they want you to run it in some deck with disposable creatures
sleek ferry
5 for it is a lot ngl, but it does have deathtouch ig
Maybe I’ll try it in boros equipment
trail anvil
what are you gonna sac in boros
sleek ferry
1 of the tokens
lusty trench
Sac your urabrask forge token
trail anvil
the right side looks solid enough for go wide aggro, the left side being a nice hand refill later on
then again you're competing with the likes of gateway express
sudden lava
Leaks happened
if there is anymore, I am unaware
though seems all these are from the Death Tolls precon
twilit canyon
commander 💤
last glen
smh where is the dinosaur support on this totally non-dinosaur plane
twilit canyon
inb4 they print dinos but only in the commander decks
lusty trench
though seems all these are from the Death Tolls precon
Constrictor is from the demon one at minimum, it ||pings them so you get the draw from valgavoth||
glad peak
finally some actual relevant (not commander) cards
sudden lava
Constrictor is from the demon one at minimum, it ||pings them so you get the dra...
I can see it, but most the other cards leaked were death toll precon stuff so not sure
lusty trench
Also all those cards suck
||Dazzling theatre/prop room|| is a card for commander idc what it actually says
||seance board is also from valgavoth, the spirit and demon types are too specific||
sudden lava
Kinda like that|| Rendmaw,|| although not sure about it in the death toll deck?
lusty trench
It's fine, it's entirely too slow and fair to actually matter but it'd be a neat build around
The issue with them is only one person is going to realistically keep the tokens and that person is the person who's turn is before yours/the one before that depends on who the person after you chooses to attack
sudden lava
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I'm hoping, though Ancient Cellarspawn's hint was also "Surely in the valgavoth deck".
broken fjord
||seance board is also from valgavoth, the spirit and demon types are too specif...
This card is very decent, actually. But for more control playstyles.