Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

And you're at least giving the store money to enter

Stores didn't have a $200 buy-in to compete for [[Vengevine]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/185/vengevine

Vengevine <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
Haste
Whenever you cast a spell, if it's the second creature spell you cast this turn, you may return Vengevine from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Leave but a shred of root and it will return, bursting with vigor.
4/3

[golden plover]

Also, what determines "regular status"?

[gritty nest]

Fair, maybe there’s a check-in system similar to what companion has you do for their events? But overall we don’t know their system

[golden plover]

I think at the end of the day, my issue is with the "regular discount" thing

I think that part shouldn't be allowed

[gritty nest]

But yea when it came to the ossification I’m a bit annoyed by that, I get what you’re saying now

[golden plover]

If you wanna price spikes out of the event so your regulars can play for it, the regulars should have to pay $300 to play too

[gritty nest]

I still disagree with people showing up just to scalp a saga but at least be consistent

Or at the very least make all attendees regardless of status pay a flat fee of like $50

Regardless of what the promo is

Idk

I get what you’re saying, I’m just saying what annoys me about it in the end

[golden plover]

Nah I get where you're coming from but I think the double standard loophole is annoying

Because basically you can just make the event prohibitively expensive to everyone but the select few you want to win the Urza's Saga

[gritty nest]

Yea I disagree with double standards with the promos, I agree with pricing out irregulars

But that’s a gray line determining what is a regular

[golden plover]

Yeah, surely someone who comes every week is a regular. But what about once a month? Three times a year?

[glad peak]

i dont like how it works because it's manipulating tournaments but if wotc's ok with it... welp time to use it

[golden plover]

But guys the hypothetical spike who doesn't spend any money at the store and drives to every LGS in a 300 mile radius and has 32 Urza's Sagas is gonna feel really dumb now

[waxen timber]

I don't like the idea of pricing people out of tournaments but, I don't think it is always bad to try to let your regulars participate

[glad peak]

i think they should let regulars participate so maybe give them priority but manipulating entry amounts and prices to guarantee only they have a chance to get the prize is pretty bad

[waxen timber]

Like for One Piece tournaments, sign ups for events get limited spots filled up quick. Having the first people notfied about the posting being listed is regulars is not something zi am opposed to

[golden plover]

Yeah that kind of thing is fine

Imo this is peak "commander mentality". This non-existent spike is gonna make our regulars feel bad by playing a COMPETITIVE EVENT to WIN. How dare they do that?

[gritty nest]

I know someone like this actually, used to play yugioh with him

He’s a fucking cock and sucks at the game

[glad peak]

If he sucks then why he winning everything

[sleek ferry]

I don’t think this is that bad tbh. LGS is looking out for its regulars who is their main source of income, over a bunch of 1 ofs

If anything, that would make me want to buy more from that LGS if I saw they were looking out for me like that

[glad peak]

Sure but reducing the public event to only let regulars play is sort of not great

[modern minnow]

i hope the one hypothetical spike is able to build a house of cards out of their urzas sagas

[golden plover]

I get wanting to support regulars, but they should get priority slots or something

Feels shitty to get told hey you can't play this event because it's got a good prize and you don't come enough

[zinc shard]

Dont think this was posted

feels weird that they keep forcing Vehicles into every set

[twilit canyon]

bloomburrow didnt have one

p sure outlaws didnt have one too it just had saddle

[gritty nest]

He doesn’t, he buys triple what I buy in a month and I still clap him

[trail anvil]

wait this just seems really nuts?

like any land that goes to your graveyard just returns???

this seems perfect for golgari self-mill or roots combo but jesus

[twilit canyon]

its solid

esp at 4 mana

[trail anvil]

it's also a 4 mana 5/5 for crew 1

[zinc shard]

weird, I swear Bloomburrow had a Squirrel themed Vehicle

[stark skiff]

[[Rolling Hamsphere]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/39/rolling-hamsphere

Rolling Hamsphere <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Artifact — Vehicle
Rolling Hamsphere gets +1/+1 for each Hamster you control.
Whenever Rolling Hamsphere attacks, create three 1/1 red Hamster creature tokens, then it deals X damage to any target, where X is the number of Hamsters you control.
Crew 3
4/4

[zinc shard]

ah right

[sudden lava]

rolling hamsphere was in the commander decks technically

[gritty nest]

Can I ask you guys for advice

I recently turned my zinnia deck back to precon, except for adding in the talent because I don’t have it anymore, I replaced it for Panharmonicon

Could I ask about 5-6 of the cards I could add into zinnia that won’t work in [[Caesar]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Caesar”, can you be more specific?

[gritty nest]

The fallout Caesar

[[Caesar, Legions]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/1064/caesar-legions-emperor

Caesar, Legion's Emperor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack, you may sacrifice another creature. When you do, choose two —
• Create two 1/1 red and white Soldier creature tokens with haste that are tapped and attacking.
• You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
• Caesar, Legion's Emperor deals damage equal to the number of creature tokens you control to target opponent.
4/4

[gritty nest]

When I get back to my room I’ll show the stack of cards

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwr8tG79eS8

[twilit canyon]

this is terrible

[subtle sierra]

oh no, i have to mulligan 3 times and still not get the 4 specific cards i need

[twilit canyon]

2 which are the same card too 💀

[subtle sierra]

like, i'd rather it not existed, but it's not like it's actually gonna happen

and not like red lacks firepower anyway

[twilit canyon]

red decks are already really bad and are very feast or famine

adding a bad combo wont help really

[trail anvil]

I don't think it's reliable, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in some bo1 cheese builds considering it's already running a bunch of single target spells

[trail anvil]

these all look decent but not sure what you would add without looking at your current list

[gritty nest]

the base precon, except change out the talent for Panharmonicon

thats all stuff i took out of zinnia to tone it back, and whatever doesnt go back in goes into Caesar

Warleader
dovehawk
Rootborn Defenses
Roastmaster
Swords
Mulldrifter
the Lion dude
Anim Pakal

this is all i was thinking of throwing back in

[trail anvil]

I feel like anim pakal is gonna be better in caesar than zinnia even if she does boost zinnia's power

so many of these precon cards look like the polar opposite of best in slot

[gritty nest]

Basically creates fodder for Caesar

[trail anvil]

ye

[gritty nest]

[[$Anim Pakal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/223/anim-pakal-thousandth-moon

Prices for Anim Pakal, Thousandth Moon

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Promos

$2.21

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Promos

$3.34

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan

$2.02 • €0.79 • 0.02 TIX

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan

$0.99 • 0.02 TIX

[gritty nest]

Oh hell I’ll just buy a second anim pakal

[trail anvil]

I'm saying I don't think anim pakal is worth putting in zinnia

[gritty nest]

In general?

[trail anvil]

yeah

[gritty nest]

Oh

[trail anvil]

the power boost is okay but I'm sure there are better ways of doing that within zinnia

[gritty nest]

Zinnia leans itself into build a board and kill via stuff like impact tremors

From my experience

Commander damage can work with zinnia but that’s secondary

[trail anvil]

if so then there's probably something that synergizes better, even if anim pakal creates a ton of tokens

she only gets so many chances to swing, can't be copied with zinnia and has zero synergy with the flicker cards in the precon

[gritty nest]

Anim doesn’t have to swing

It’s just whenever you attack with a non-gnome

[trail anvil]

I should say you only get so many chances to attack

[gritty nest]

True

Kinda glad zinnia doesn’t get 1/1 for each base power 1, 1/0 is fine

Thank you btw Komi

[trail anvil]

ye np

[atomic harness]

Thank you gamer I agree

Which one of the new beybines are actually good iyo?

[subtle sierra]

the room and shredder were shared already

[lusty trench]

Oop

Shredder has a non deterministic infinite with Hedron crab

[trail anvil]

balustrade worm looks like a creature that would be nuts in a standard that's not this one

[glad peak]

Yeah that was my first impression of worm too

Not flashy but inevitable body later with a good front side

[fallow citrus]

holy shit this is hilarious

I've never seen something fall apart so quickly

[lusty trench]

“Women can’t don’t have the merit to be on a committee for cedh” is a WILD statement god damn

Most of the cedh players I know are women

[golden plover]

Damn they're putting finality counters on everything this set

[subtle sierra]

they finally made it yugioh

but banish when it when it leaves the field...

[golden plover]

Between that and the "activate only once per turn"s, sorta

[golden plover]

This was one of the worst decks I've ever had the displeasure of playing against

The sheer amount of manual triggers I was waiting on them to resolve was annoying as fuck

Nissa, Lotus Cobra, Lumara Looping

[urban crane]

Got these Saturday

[lusty trench]

Got FedEx confirmation my lair is shipping soon

[twilit canyon]

fear of the dark

[golden plover]

Wow these both suck

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1280909805111738410/en_825e8a1ecd.png?ex=66d9cbb7&is=66d87a37&hm=e17bf079d8e17d8682dc6a5dff5268020ac3a40caabb0f8b700408be8918cb70&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1280909456028340314/en_0e898ca7ea.png?ex=66d9cb64&is=66d879e4&hm=0715977630a7a4dd43ed40d8d17fe4e865b08c233f1b8f69d0c9d08241871c4c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1280909201564242060/en_e5ce93dd6f.png?ex=66d9cb27&is=66d879a7&hm=233a2ac6a61c810c4b8fc015e707947d108503fca90934c79726873fe77f00de&

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1280916082798104596/image.png?ex=66d9d190&is=66d88010&hm=9747f9e2170c7711e9ed6c6b69e22cab549d6a6c1de10954d04c879f99bba6ee&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=669&height=472

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/j8m0l4jk6tmd1.png?auto=webp&s=00a6c440b6a8f69f032148ff08cba1ced1016960

It's giving Avacyn's Collar

[glad peak]

Untimely malfunction’s great

[golden plover]

Oh look, our first non-human survivor and they're still just an 80s guy

So did Duskmorn just randomly have Kor? Because Kor all originated from Zendikar and left when other planes were easier to travel to

The existence of a kor native on this plane is really hard to justify lore-wise

[twilit canyon]

kor colonizers smh

[golden plover]

The kor are somehow both colonizers on every plane but Zendikar and nomadic peoples on Zendikar

Its a weird spot to be in

[twilit canyon]

the white skinned humanoids invade every plane except their own

what does wotc mean by this

[golden plover]

Always a nice card to have in draft even if I can't make heads or tails of this art

[twilit canyon]

its an insidious fungus

[lusty trench]

Is it a ship or a house being taken over?

Also damn untimely malfunction is good

[broken fjord]

This one feels so close to being decent.

[twilit canyon]

cryptic cloak... 2

[golden plover]

This one is way worse

[twilit canyon]

it is technically better in some ways

sees more cards

but its harder to reset the card

[golden plover]

It's also kinda weird to make this exact same design 2 sets apart

Like did the people really demand a second cryptic cloak

[twilit canyon]

card's good

but i think this may have been a spare version of it

[sudden lava]

wubrg mana rock that pings you for temur colors and can become a creature later.
And a 3 mana 6/4 that kills itself off for whatever reason

[golden plover]

Not a huge fan of "activate only once" popping up on design space for a lot of cards this set. Could just use counters tbh

Activate only once is more annoying to track in paper

[lusty trench]

Haunted screen making you pay to have the TV be coloured is funny

[golden plover]

Ohhh I get it

Feels like an uncard

[sudden lava]

Ah so thats why it does that

[fallow citrus]

actually great flavour

[lusty trench]

Secret lair is here tomorrow

[stark skiff]

Wow Loner, Malfunction, Fungus, and that Threats card are all pretty good.

[golden plover]

Wait do we play this in Greasefang

[copper pecan]

probably yeah

this seems great for that

[golden plover]

Yeah you crew a parhelion and set up another

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/saffronolive/status/1831409472927101196?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive) on X

I'm impressed we made the list. Apparently we're mainstream now. Look out drinking. We're coming for ya. https://t.co/8cSWczVsRX

Twitter · Sep 4, 2024, 7:10 PM

[last glen]

poggers this will go great in my mycotyrant deck

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1280997580880478261/mtg-duskmourn-02.jpg?ex=66da1d77&is=66d8cbf7&hm=e958bf52586df1867231888724d844ab0aae86b4ca7c6b58ceb06a6892be2719&

spiteful banditry 2

[stark skiff]

According to this I’m like 110% ugly to women. Explains a lot

[sleek ferry]

Should have done the girl magnet profession: blacksmithing

[twilit canyon]

should have done the girl magnet profession: marine biologist

[steady onyx]

how is marine biology misty?

[twilit canyon]

doing good

[lusty trench]

Worked for jotaro ig

I just realised modern could have shredder hedron crab and 20 crime lands

[lusty trench]

This is not a design I would’ve though of for blue but I dig it

[zinc shard]

Unlike Lich's Mastery, this doesnt make you lose the game if it leaves the battlefield

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/csm-chainsaw-man-pochita-break-dance-gif-27147645

[stark skiff]

This is actually pretty neat ngl

[zinc shard]

I have never seen this card before, but now that I've drafted a Bird deck its everywhere

[trail anvil]

it's a pretty decent pick if you can't find anything too good

works better with mice but a minor stat boost with reach and vigilance can help a decent amount

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ru3EhYrRiCJjhGIoGJ_zA5rF9FcM7NFILMY58_9CmEo/https/i.redd.it/5b6j91t47tmd1.png

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiba-seto-sexy-anime-yugioh-gif-8632166

[stark skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252175743512084480/1281098328892768269/xcdwa5c6xwmd1.webp?ex=66da7b4b&is=66d929cb&hm=d12aafae74e1d5a7c8f71c8f88f3c2c5948e16fb0b2a5e83458655fae99264eb&

[subtle sierra]

Oh no the flavour text

🔪

[glad peak]

Thanks bestie

[trail anvil]

I can't wait to see her dying on another card

[subtle sierra]

Karma

[stark skiff]

[twilit canyon]

this is solid but hasnt been chosen kills it

[trail anvil]

I think the idea is to get value on an empty board then try to turn it into something better later

problem is ig it has to stick around that long lol

[glad peak]

if you have 2, you can reset it i think?

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JMSVpq9rAWbRernX8GFK-q0m7LbevbozB4LHrcL4tl4/https/i.redd.it/62nio0oq3ymd1.jpeg?format=webp&width=417&height=582

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yWCWFTWYiHyKCAwu28Ujdpz97h5rhn8Iw4buNLVAo0E/https/i.redd.it/zkiudqbe3ymd1.jpeg?format=webp&width=416&height=581

lol a beefed up Virtus the Veiled for Altair decks

[trail anvil]

children of the corn reference

[golden plover]

Love losing a very winnable match because Arena randomly decided I couldn't side deck. Very functional program

[lusty trench]

Got prosperous inkeeper as my bonus card

Damn it

[golden plover]

The name feels way too blatant tbh

Like it's a spirit halloween ass name where they just replace all the words with synonyms

[lusty trench]

Better thrill and better bonesplinters

Wait nvm thrill is an instant

[golden plover]

This is the worst one. I'm sorry shitty blue Leyline

Didn't realize the green one was gonna be even lamer

So yeah:
-Black (there's a reason they keep printing void)
-Red
-White

-Blue

-Green

[waxen timber]

It makes sense why the green one is dog poo. After a bunch of nykthos hate and mono green hate, they had to make this terrible

[last glen]

how is this even a green effect

[sleek ferry]

Is cheating mana costs not a green thing?

[lusty trench]

It can be colourless if you want it to be

So I think giving it to green is fine

[[fist of suns]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/211/fist-of-suns

Fist of Suns <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
You may pay rather than pay the mana cost for spells you cast.
"It is all in my grasp. Every petty dream, every grand scheme, every soul, every fear. It all flows through me and from me." —Memnarch

[golden plover]

It's also been Jeskai prior

[[Jodah, Archmage Eternal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/233/jodah-archmage-eternal

Jodah, Archmage Eternal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Flying
You may pay rather than pay the mana cost for spells you cast.
"Chronicles across the ages describe Jodah. They likely refer not to one mage, but to a family or an arcane title." —Arkol, Argivian scholar
4/3

[lusty trench]

Generally speaking I'm cool with all colours getting to do the things that colourless things do

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1281303536235319410/GWuolQ6WAAAw94P.png?ex=66db3a68&is=66d9e8e8&hm=004da2eb2747935b73236136a59806017f3aecc95f2dcb098c10f6c9a99db9bf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=473&height=662

scrunkly oomfie spotted

[fallow citrus]

I love that it's a gremlin too

[golden plover]

I wish he had Islandwalk

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/gizmo-gremlins-pat-gif-10746093

[trail anvil]

how quickly we forget about [[leyline of the guildpact]] @golden plover

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/217/leyline-of-the-guildpact

Leyline of the Guildpact <:managw:292901508977000448><:managu:292901509035851788><:manabg:292901508863754241><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Enchantment
If Leyline of the Guildpact is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Each nonland permanent you control is all colors.
Lands you control are every basic land type in addition to their other types.

[golden plover]

Nah, I agree this card was green

[trail anvil]

also in general green has had a ton of effects that produce all mana on mana dorks or other enchantments

[golden plover]

Leyline of the Guildpact is just much better because of the fixing

[trail anvil]

it's better for a number of reasons, I won't dispute you on that

[twilit canyon]

it is a green effect it is just hard to actually use and enable

[golden plover]

I dunno what 5c decks you'd wanna be in that would want to pay WUBRG instead of a cost as opposed to just ramping and using color fixing

[trail anvil]

I think this is just something you run in jodah's 99 honestly, after he's removed for the 3rd time lol

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

I just cannot think of any other homes for it

[trail anvil]

this feels like it was designed by a salty jodah player/some other 5c player

[golden plover]

Like sure you can hypothetically use it for a t4 Atraxa ig?

But you could probably have done that easier

[trail anvil]

nah you aren't using this in constructed unless you're alieldrazi looking for a new video

which makes sense, this card is definitely aimed at Johnnys besides jodah players

[trail anvil]

10/10 alter

[golden plover]

True, I expect to see it in some cherrypicked videos where they get replays of dropping t3 Emrakul off it or whatever

Damn, Green has been screwed on Leyline from the start

[[Leyline of Lifeforce]] is like... Fine?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/90/leyline-of-lifeforce

Leyline of Lifeforce <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Lifeforce is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Creature spells can't be countered.
Where sovereignty and flesh converge.

[golden plover]

And [[Leyline of Abundance]] was marginally playable

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/179/leyline-of-abundance

Leyline of Abundance <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Abundance is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Whenever you tap a creature for mana, add an additional .
: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

[glad peak]

Just be a YouTuber and post multiple videos about how green leyline is “broken with converge”

[golden plover]

I completely forgot about [[Leyline of Vitality]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m11/183/leyline-of-vitality

Leyline of Vitality <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Vitality is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Creatures you control get +0/+1.
Whenever a creature you control enters, you may gain 1 life.

[trail anvil]

wasn't abundance at the center of pioneer monogreen at the start of the format or am I misremembering

[glad peak]

Yep it was banned for a bit too

[golden plover]

Abundance was very good for a while, yeah

But it's fallen off hard

It's Green's best Leyline tho

[trail anvil]

also do you count guildpact since it could also be run in monogreen to cheat devotion

[glad peak]

Tbf this was back when mono red was good

[golden plover]

Oh wait lmao I'm stupid

It's fallen off because it's still banned

Abundance is too much with Nykthos tbh

[glad peak]

Bring it back

[golden plover]

And they're not gonna ban Nykthos for some reason

[glad peak]

Huh I remembered it being pulled from the banlist, must be misremembering

[golden plover]

Tbh abundance without Nykthos would feel very reasonable

I thought it came back too

But I guess I'm thinking about Guildpact being legal now in it's place

[glad peak]

Dodged the whole era of them unbanning cards I guess

[golden plover]

Since Guildpact is also actually 4 devotion t0 instead of 2

Abundance is better for spreading your ramp, but Guildpact is better overall and it lets Mono-G splash stuff like Pulkranos

As for other leylines, Blue has 1 good one out of their 3

[trail anvil]

anticipation?

[golden plover]

Anticipation is their only good one

Yeah

Singularity is like cute ig

But it's never really had a home

And transformation is gonna be cute in edh tribal decks and literally nowhere else

Red has 4 and only 1 has seen play in the past

That's [[Leyline of Punishment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m11/148/leyline-of-punishment

Leyline of Punishment <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Punishment is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Players can't gain life.
Damage can't be prevented.

[golden plover]

Although I'd wager that the new one, Resonance, is better than both [[Leyline of Lightning]] and [[Leyline of Combustion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/68/leyline-of-lightning

Leyline of Lightning <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Lightning is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, Leyline of Lightning deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker.
Where storm and spellcraft converge.

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/148/leyline-of-combustion

Leyline of Combustion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Combustion is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Whenever you and/or at least one permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, Leyline of Combustion deals 2 damage to that player.

[glad peak]

Singularity had its use in a very specific niche format, limitless

[golden plover]

Lightning is unplayable and combustion saw some standard sideboard play, but it's not good

And finally white. Only has 3 leylines

Hope, the new one seems fine

[glad peak]

They have 2 good ones though

[golden plover]

Sanctity is a banger

Yeah

[glad peak]

The best color

[golden plover]

Sanctity sees play in older formats and it's sideboarded even in decks that can't run it

During Rescaminator, legacy decks would side Sanctity even if they didn't have a way to make white

[trail anvil]

now void, that's totally the most useless one ever

nobody's ever played that card

[golden plover]

Iirc [[Leyline of the Meek]] saw some standard play, but it's the most specific

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/10/leyline-of-the-meek

Leyline of the Meek <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If Leyline of the Meek is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Creature tokens get +1/+1.
Where strength and humility converge.

[golden plover]

Yeah Black only has void because they got it perfect the first time

Although... I would like to see a new black Leyline

Weird we didn't get one this set considering all the new leylines are weird and void is kinda unnecessary in standard since RIP is standard legal

[stark skiff]

Sounds like all the Leylines suck to me tbh

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XQM2yUxOLqkv92JfyAq38kB39cEC2VO_QdBfZvRItU8/https/i.redd.it/j6ouo4h6a0nd1.png

[golden plover]

Void, Abundance, and Sanctity are the standouts

Oh... It's just the quote from the shining

Another very not-subtle reference card

[trail anvil]

I like the way it's implemented though

2 2/2s with one being much more sinister

[glad peak]

when are we getting surgery saw killings

or the classic horror movie: the heckriser

[golden plover]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see "Peltface", "The Puzzle Killer", and "Pinskull" at this rate

Like at least the pennywise wasn't a spirit halloween rename

[glad peak]

How about the sci fi horror film: foreign

[zinc shard]

Been trying to make a Standard deck thats just adventures built around Beluna, sadly there isnt enough good removal or card draw on Adventure spells

[glad peak]

So I know the junji ito reference wasn’t on purpose (probably) but it’d be pretty funny if there was a card just called “suspicious hole”

[golden plover]

It's just a reprint of [[Portable Hole]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/33/portable-hole

Portable Hole <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
When Portable Hole enters, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls with mana value 2 or less until Portable Hole leaves the battlefield.
"They fall for it every time."

[fallow citrus]

interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/J9FTRZGxBo

[twilit canyon]

its been detailed before in this chat and it isnt really that good

its way too janky and requires a lot of moving parts

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_4w9_ZLrmU

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EllFTFm2ndq2ApXdzNQMaaYOatbnpsx2p0eGeqlIE3k/https/i.redd.it/qs7qu4bz90nd1.png

Best boy

[golden plover]

Nan think this actually seems pretty solid. You're not committing the full deck to it (you're playing it in gruul one-shot or similar) and there's a lot of redundant lines

The big upside is that if you don't see it, you're still playing a normal aggressive deck

[twilit canyon]

with 4 fat bricks

this has been a reason domain zoo in modern has had a rough time

in standard where creatures are weaker, removal is stronger than them, and this is your best play, its not gonna do well

at all

[golden plover]

The biggest downside is mulling to see one of the bricks

[twilit canyon]

we also got a new 1 mana white removal spell

[golden plover]

Everything else works without it

I don't think this'll top tournaments or anything

[twilit canyon]

and its really not great otherwise

gruul shouldnt pull up with this

its already a good deck

[golden plover]

But it's probably really good in Bo1

[twilit canyon]

yeah but bo1 has been a meme anyways

if you are down to meme ig its fine

[golden plover]

Also remember that Arena has the "hand fixing" thing

[twilit canyon]

until wotc deems it not fun enough and bans it

its a smoother

it draws 3 hands

and picks the more balanced of the 3

this is only in bo1

[golden plover]

Yeah, but that likely would generate an even higher chance to see it

[twilit canyon]

this algo is unfairly skewed towards leylines

i've noticed in testing bc of how hard it is to get leyline of the void in bo1 testing in timeless

ites really awkward to hit them bc the smoother sees them as uncastable

so you mull more

[golden plover]

It's about a 15% chance to see this combo per mulligan

Assuming 3 mulligans, you've got a roughly 45% chance to see it

[twilit canyon]

only to get cut down the second u cast your combo

💀

[golden plover]

Not incredible, but the odds are decent enough that you can do it

And even if you don't get to do the combo it's red prowess

[twilit canyon]

and you're down 5 cards

its red prowess but you're down 4 cards in hand

minus whatever u had to mull to

[golden plover]

It's not gonna win tournaments yeah

[twilit canyon]

i think its gonna make bo1 worse just in terms of quality

[golden plover]

But it's fine for Bo1 and will possibly be really cheesey on ladder

[twilit canyon]

like the way that minion of the mighty cheese was popular in standard

[golden plover]

Bo1 is gonna be even more non-games

[twilit canyon]

purely a bo1 cheese deck

but then again

one can argue why even play bo1

or maybe this causes enough non-games wotc actively kills it in bo1

which hopefully means nothing touched for bo3 cus red is already 💀

[golden plover]

Didn't Tibalt's Trickery get its standard ban from Bo1 non-games?

And Cauldron Familiar

Iirc both were totally fine in Bo3 but got their bans from Bo1

[twilit canyon]

think so

trickery yes

but it got banned period

iirc

not just bo1

same with cat

[golden plover]

I mean, they both got banned period

[twilit canyon]

which is the concern

cus bo3 red doesnt need bans

[golden plover]

They don't do "banned in Bo1 only"

[twilit canyon]

it needs help

[golden plover]

I dunno what they'd ban from this, probably the Leyline tbh

Would be funny tho for this Leyline to get banned in standard for making way more Bo1 non-games

[twilit canyon]

1 drops lol

[golden plover]

They'd have to ban both 1 drops

They'd hit the Leyline

[twilit canyon]

https://mtgdecks.net/Modern/restore-balance-decklist-by-machida-takatoshi-2160672

this is a neat list

restoring balance to modern

[golden plover]

You can sub in Swiftspear too

[twilit canyon]

uhhh swift wont kill cus she wont deal damage on death to her power

[golden plover]

Yeah I know I'm saying if you lose one of the other to a ban you sub her in

She doesn't kill, but she still does like 15 damage t2

[fallow citrus]

when does duskmourn release again

the 13th?

[twilit canyon]

20th iirc

[fallow citrus]

o is 13th prerelease

[twilit canyon]

believe so

no actually

20th is prerelease

[golden plover]

Oh wait Misty we've got precedent I didn't think we did

[twilit canyon]

release date is 27th

[golden plover]

Nexus was banned in Bo1 standard only

[twilit canyon]

nexus?

[fallow citrus]

I still need like 8 rare wildcards

[golden plover]

Yeah

[twilit canyon]

hm

[golden plover]

Forgot Nexus was banned in Bo1 but left in Bo3

[twilit canyon]

i can see them wanting to avoid bo1 bans but idk

we'll see

idt it'll even be a big problem

besides more non-games

of kill or be killed

[golden plover]

Tbf that was a sorta different scenario in the Nexus was fine in the tournament lists but was being used as a problem in Bo1

[fallow citrus]

mardu energy is still good in timeless yeah

[twilit canyon]

lol

i think mardu may actually be wrong in timeless

[fallow citrus]

oh fr?

[twilit canyon]

you take so much self-damage

[fallow citrus]

just boros then?

[twilit canyon]

and you're not improving your frog or show match up enough

i think boros is more than enough

like mardu will be fine

but yea

i think it'll be a bit awk

[fallow citrus]

I see

[golden plover]

I think Mardu is better for grindier games

But timeless is fast and grindy is hard to be in rn

[twilit canyon]

mardu is worse in modern for grindier games

bc of the self-damage

[sudden lava]

all the commander party materials are public now

[golden plover]

There's not as much incrimental damage in timeless tbh, but I think the deck does suffer from being better against combo and worse against Dimir tempo

[twilit canyon]

ehhh

i'd actually say timeless may have a bit more incidental

[golden plover]

And Dimir Tempo is the best deck in Timeless. Not clearing Dimir tempo is tough

[twilit canyon]

outside of show

tempo is not the best deck to data

iirc

its energy

[golden plover]

Tbf, I don't think boros energy has a great matchup against tempo either

[twilit canyon]

its doable

the current enemy of boros is actually jet storm and show

the way it goes:
energy > tempo > combo > boros

mardu hedges vs combo but hurts more vs tempo

jet storm and omni shift are the current rising threats

https://thegathering.gg/timeless-tier-list/

this page has been gathering (lol) proper data for timeless

[golden plover]

Data has definitely shifted a bit since I dropped timeless

[twilit canyon]

realistically, the top 4 decks are all very reasonable against each other

[golden plover]

Timeless feels mostly balanced around itself rn, but I got sick of grief, ring, and show and tell for the time being

Imo Timeless needs the better answers legacy has

[twilit canyon]

grief sucks

[golden plover]

Grief has dropped off a bit, but it's still annoying to play around

[twilit canyon]

did u see in modern that after grief got banned, goryo combo got better bc they got 4 new card slots that were stronger than grief?

[golden plover]

The bigger issue is that it felt like every other game was ring or show and tell

And without force of will, show and tell is miserable to play against

It's too many non-games there

[twilit canyon]

force of will would have actually made grief worse

that'd have just mirrored legacy

grief -> reanimate -> take your threats and protect grief and frog with fow

its completely over from there

so im actually glad we dont have fow yet

[golden plover]

Yeah, I know it'd make Rescaminator worse, but timeless needs better answers

[twilit canyon]

fow is worse vs grief too

force of negation is needed for sure

[golden plover]

Having legacy level threats but not the answers is wild

[twilit canyon]

this is how historic was for a while

[polar lake]

yeah but card advantage and burn tho

[trail anvil]

I've finally gotten to a place where I'm happy with [[indris, the hydrostatic surge]] in brawl

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yblb/25/indris-the-hydrostatic-surge

Indris, the Hydrostatic Surge <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Otter Incarnation
When Indris, the Hydrostatic Surge enters, conjure a card named Lightning Bolt into your library. It perpetually gains storm. Then shuffle.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
5/5

[trail anvil]

once you figure out the balance between control and storm it finally gets going

really it's worse niv mizzet but hey the lightning bolt with storm is super fun

[subtle sierra]

Among

[trail anvil]

the effect is decent but hot damn that's a thick booty. 2 mana 1/4 flying is a crazy good defensive stat line

[subtle sierra]

This made me miss invoke despair...

[trail anvil]

it's okay, we can unban it now

[twilit canyon]

rotated out already tho

[glad peak]

exactly

[subtle sierra]

I will unban it so hard, it'll rotate in

Next is blood on the snow...

i think you could suspect i like flashy black cards

[stark skiff]

Some small foil pickups for today.

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMoqnhHGAes

[trail anvil]

cedh rules committee didn't outlast concord

[twilit canyon]

its fine one of the creators was a chode

[atomic harness]

Oh what happened here I thought topdeck went through w it

[trail anvil]

oh are they still? mb I heard it was disbanded

probably someone memeing too

[trail anvil]

Mindflaying Spirit UUU

Legendary Enchantment Creature - Nightmare

Mindflaying Spirit can't be blocked.

If a source you control would deal damage to an opponent, prevent that damage and each opponent mills that many cards

10/1

now there's a fuckin 3 mana 10/1 lmao

this sounds hilarious as a commander, voltron mill

[lusty trench]

It's so ass but it's funny

[lusty trench]

"here's Johnny!"
Instant
Choose one
Exile target artifact
Exile target enchantment
Manifest dread

[golden plover]

The more explorer I play, the more I think it's crazy they didn't ban Nykthos

No other deck in the format can compete with the opponent having 7 mana t2

That and now that the Leyline of 4 devotion exists, they can play shit like [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] to double up all their etb triggers (which is all their big cards and Kiora) and just have an insane amount of value

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[stark skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252175743512084480/1281540262258020352/hmnuzu7kl5nd1.jpg?ex=66dc16e0&is=66dac560&hm=654bf88df6ee9f9fba65857a932cec1b2b43b3eee10622c64a3a200ed90e3cab&

[lusty trench]

This into bloodletter of alcazotz seems funky

[stark skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252175743512084480/1281540482073362489/p74tc3z0l5nd1.jpg?ex=66dc1714&is=66dac594&hm=92cb9ff5de1ad16cd58e67f6b134ea205fe02167c27e5462c0fb0e82628cfa7d&

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[subtle sierra]

Among

[lusty trench]

Damn that’s really good

[golden plover]

He's like an Ozolith guy

[golden plover]

Also I got excited that this was almost mayhem devil, but it's much worse

[lusty trench]

Except if he goes you also get the counters stored

[lusty trench]

We got a mayhem devil this set

[golden plover]

Did we?

[golden plover]

Target opponent

Not as good

The versatility of mayhem devil is the "any target"

[lusty trench]

Ah

[golden plover]

You could sacc 3 guys to ping down a threat

"Trial of Anguish" - R

Sorcery (Uncommon)

Choose two target creatures controlled by the same opponent. That player chooses one of them. ~ deals 5 damage to that creature, and the other one can't block this turn.

---

"To break the bond of a lifetime, all it took was a fragment of hope."

Oh there's our Saw reference

At least it's not ridiculously blatant

[twilit canyon]

solid but the choice being the opponent's is sucky

role model is good

[fallow citrus]

gives me big [[luminarch aspirant]] vibes

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/205/luminarch-aspirant

Luminarch Aspirant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"Rally to my light, and together we will drive out this darkness!"
1/1

[golden plover]

Role model is going in Roghark/Yoshimaru Cedh

Card is good for that deck

[golden plover]

This mirror is silly

I think I theoretically should have lost via boardstate but they played it worse

I also won through Leyline of the Void in g2

[sudden lava]

ngl I am tempted to make this horror a commander

[sudden lava]

there is another one in the set

[glad peak]

Huh yeah the mindflaying guy’s pretty neat

You’re making it much harder for yourself to win lol

[sudden lava]

Just gotta find ways to buff him up and give him double strike

[glad peak]

Even then, that’s what, only 20-30 cards milled a turn if the opponent can’t interact with it?

[sudden lava]

yeah

[glad peak]

That’s going to take much more turns than just suiting up a regular commander and swinging with no interaction lol

[sudden lava]

It's about the spirit of things

Also a commander for Ben Brode he hates commander damage

[fallow citrus]

oh I love the art

[sudden lava]

kill it with lightning bolt

[glad peak]

If you want to have real fun with that commander, make it around removing preventing damage, now it’s funny

[fallow citrus]

need to look over this set for the enchantments

because for some reason I want to make enchantments matter in standard

oh it was because of ethereal armour

[lusty trench]

Heard the take “zimone is such a nothing character they had to give her the fear of failing tests because they couldn’t think of an actual flaw for her”

[glad peak]

She has a fear of failing tests because she’s a student

[fallow citrus]

I don't want to make this 4 colour but I think it'll have to be 3 colour

unless azorious is enough with inquisitive glimmer too

I think I have a good idea of what goes in this now

[lusty trench]

I don’t really get it myself because it’s not like she’s had another chance to shine in a major role

Like damn give her a chance

[fallow citrus]

are there any decent cantrips in standard rn

[glad peak]

Let’s wait till we see more of the lands and type cycling before we commit to more colors

[lusty trench]

A character I will always support hating on is Vivien though

[glad peak]

All the green walkers tbh

[lusty trench]

how are you in like 4 sets and don’t do anything in any of them

I am biased for garruk

For reasons that will get me banned

[glad peak]

Garruk for wasted potential that was a softball to hit out of the park but nah

Nissa because of how drastically they changed her character then did nothing substantial with her

Vivien because she did literally nothing ever

[lusty trench]

Not just that but her existing is actually a net negative to the worlds

Without her racist personality taking over the eldrazi wouldn’t of been freed

I like wrenn though they’re chill

Show up, help define modern, smoke their own pack and die

[glad peak]

Tyvar took over as the racist one

[lusty trench]

Tyvar do anything of note challenge

(Beating tybalt is not a feat)

[glad peak]

He uhhh

He took over nissa as the most racist walker if that counts

[lusty trench]

They really just said the green walkers aren’t allowed to do anything ever

Red has Chandra who actually does stuff
Black has liliana who does all of the things and then sorin who did stuff (pray for duskmorn once liliana figures out there’s a demon strong enough to control an entire plane)
Blue has Jace who did stuff and then at least tried to do stuff
White has Gideon who was just absolutely based and elspeth who… well I’m not gonna argue with the results regardless of how mediocre a plot line was
And then there green

[golden plover]

Don't forget Lukka was green for a bit

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[golden plover]

Lukka was a cool concept they did absolutely nothing with

I liked the idea of his secondary color changing based on his bond

[lusty trench]

We don’t count multicoloureds for this because then teferi just takes the prize of “most things done ever”

Dude is still the most broken walker (animatou nerf notwithstanding)

[golden plover]

I'm glad they remembered Niko existed

But also, speaking of Lukka, we're not allowed a Gruul walker at all, huh?

[lusty trench]

We can have em we just can’t keep em apparently

[golden plover]

I'm kinda surprised Vivien didn't gain red

Although now that Nissa is desparked, Vivien is the new mono-green

It's:
Ajani for white
Kaito for blue
Liliana for black
Chandra for red
And Vivien for green now

[twilit canyon]

kaito has only been dimir so far

we'll see with foundations

[golden plover]

He's in the mono-blue spot for foundations

Gonna be weird seeing him in mono-blue

[subtle sierra]

the mites be flying now

ok i love elspeth

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/B109UjQbj3yfP_g54GxwaHCeTlk8FAiycu33Z9g-nf8/https/i.redd.it/273wxrnvh7nd1.png

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Ayo Strip for me. Entertain me

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AjTa4w0YRHNHsiiOTex7XtD_cQ-ZvK3WpbPZNtQCaiU/https/i.redd.it/ju6p947gf7nd1.png

[gritty nest]

Cannot wait to build my Kadena deck tbh

[last glen]

spitball
Is there any handrip card (e.g. Thoughtseize) that can discard a land card?

[golden plover]

[[Go Blank]] but it gives them the choice

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/72/go-blank

Go Blank <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target player discards two cards. Then exile that player's graveyard.
The only feeling worse than not knowing the answer is the certainty that you once did.

[golden plover]

What's the reason?

Nykthos?

I think we've gotta run [[The Stone Brain]] to answer Nykthos

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/247/the-stone-brain

The Stone Brain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile The Stone Brain: Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way. Activate only as a sorcery.

[twilit canyon]

dont play stone brain only for nykthos

[last glen]

Nah, not for a real deck
Custom card thought experiment

[golden plover]

Which sucks, because this takes a turn off and doesn't save you from Nykthos t2

There's [[Dampening Sphere]] I guess?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/219/damping-sphere

Damping Sphere <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
If a land is tapped for two or more mana, it produces instead of any other type and amount.
Each spell a player casts costs more to cast for each other spell that player has cast this turn.
A Thran relic, it has spent ten thousand years doing absolutely nothing.

[modern minnow]

[[encroach]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/59/encroach

Encroach <:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target player reveals their hand. You choose a nonbasic land card from it. That player discards that card.
"The rate of spread in this region is unacceptable. Start again." —Davvol, Evincar of Rath

[last glen]

I remember running Stone Brain for Amalia combo

[golden plover]

But it hurts you more than the Nykthos player

I've been theorying Nykthos answers all day tbh

[twilit canyon]

but the reason they have not had discard spells affect lands after a while is bc its really rough generally. it can create really bad scenarios.

[last glen]

Amalia and Cascade combo in pioneer

[golden plover]

I think devotion is probably about to sneak back up tbh

[twilit canyon]

devotion is going to be meta yeah

[golden plover]

Because turns out no other deck in the format can interact with T2 Nykthos

[twilit canyon]

i think if you play rakdos sac and splash ygra, it can do well

[golden plover]

They realistically should have hit Nykthos but I dunno

[twilit canyon]

basically not committing to the infinite

but having it as an option

[steady onyx]

atraxa superfriends, atraxa infect or lord high stax?

[twilit canyon]

all of these sound like ass

[steady onyx]

i really wanna play lord high

but im so worried

i will get fucking like banned

from my game store

[twilit canyon]

why do you wanna play lord high artificer?

hes genuinely very boring

[steady onyx]

i really like him as a card!!

hes super cool

i always love when hes on board

in my other urza deck

[twilit canyon]

areo likes war criminals and eugenicists 😔

but fr, the card as a commander plays really awfully

[golden plover]

I have been toying with the idea of Jund Sac and Ygra being a combo piece tbh

[steady onyx]

hmm mabye i just buy all the blue coloured fetches than

[golden plover]

The other Ygra Combo guys and I haven't found a sweet spot for that list tho

[steady onyx]

cause thats the color i paly the most

and can go in all my decks

[twilit canyon]

ditch value and play ygra only as "potential" combo rather than a focal point

u know the same role that korvold had?

[golden plover]

I think the appeal of having access to Fable and Mayhem Devil is really doing it for me tbh

[twilit canyon]

oh cool okay so pioneer challenge 32 ended already

so i can talk about it

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6620565#paper

saw this deck being theorized

didnt wanna give anything away about it but now that the list is public

yeah the general idea is not to be an all-in combo

quality jund into oops i win with ygra as a 2 of

mayhem devil is just fucking busted

fabled passage was discussed but

too many 1-3 mana plays

not enough benefit

cut korvolds for ygra for again

the random oops i win button

this challenge was weird ppl loved the aggro deck

and it did super well

punishes combo well

phoenix also peformed well

but ultimately

hidden strings was the winner

[golden plover]

I've been talking up Mayhem Devil every time people have mentioned the sorta devils we're seeing in this set anyways

But difference between 1 damage to any opponent and 1 damage to any target tho

[twilit canyon]

yeah its huge

mayhem is massive board control

[golden plover]

Zulaport Cutthroat is pioneer legal, but there's a reason he's not seeing any play

But yeah, this looks close to what I was theorizing so I'll definitely try it out

Still think the gameplan against devotion is gonna be a struggle

[twilit canyon]

i was in the chats when this was theorized for the challenge today so i can at least tell u good players are thinking this deck will be at the very least good. but plan around devotion

[golden plover]

Yeah that's my big issue

I've been having good performance with the Golgari build but it's definitely way more all-in on the combo

[twilit canyon]

its not worth going all-in

phoenix and strings beat u and are stronger combos

[golden plover]

This is what I've been wanting to do for the deck for a bit anyways

[twilit canyon]

and the red aggro deck is actually scary in this format

[golden plover]

I'm more scared of the Boros aggro deck

[twilit canyon]

p sure rakdos aggro was uh

31% of the challenge

[golden plover]

But the combo build struggles against Boros aggro and against devotion

This probably does better against Boros, but devotion is still gonna be an uphill battle

I mean 7 mana t2 is just kind of impossible to deal with

Sure they don't always see Leyline into Nykthos but they mostly do

[twilit canyon]

they do need leyline nykthos and elf

so it is a huge high roll

but while devotion is in theory, really good. it wasnt a presence in this challenge

it may be worth playing devotion

[golden plover]

I think part of the reason is new toy syndrome

But once the meta settles a bit more, devotion will come crawling back

The other thing that Leyline and the OTJ Kiora-adjacent creature are doing for Devotion is letting them splash for white

The good builds are using that for [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines

Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Permanents entering don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger.
4/7

[golden plover]

Because that's gg

And the bad builds are using it to flip Pulkranos

Which is... Substantially less exciting

[twilit canyon]

you need to run some copies of poly k

cus u actually need to flip it vs aggro

but elesh norn is good yes

[golden plover]

I haven't seen the good builds on poly, but I assume they sideboard him

Since I'm not playing aggro they probably don't bring him in

Although I've also only gotten to deck out one devotion match. The rest have either kicked my teeth in or scooped before

[twilit canyon]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6620569#paper

challenge 32 again had the 6th place list on 2 main

1 side (the other poly k)

[golden plover]

Elesh doubling your Kiora, Cavalier, and Trailblazer triggers is scary

Oh and [[Invasion of Ixalan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/191/invasion-of-ixalan-belligerent-regisaur

Invasion of Ixalan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Ixalan enters, look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a permanent card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Defense: 4

Belligerent Regisaur
Creature — Dinosaur
Trample
Whenever you cast a spell, Belligerent Regisaur gains indestructible until end of turn.
"Careful. Its vision is based on fear, and it can smell movement . . . or something like that." —Gregor, amateur zoologist
4/3

[golden plover]

That's also how I've been spotting the good builds rn, Invasion

[twilit canyon]

invasion should be stock

same with outcaster

that card just casually slid in

but its so good

[golden plover]

I've seen builds trying the bloomburrow one for some reason

But invasion is by far the better card in the deck

[steady onyx]

when will we get uhm decklists for the duskmourn commander decks?

[last glen]

Is Invasion of Ixalan that good at handfixing?

[twilit canyon]

less hand fixing

more that its a 2 mana impulse to find 98% of your dek

helps get to nykthos, or get more action

[last glen]

Ahh

[lusty trench]

Lands or hands

[last glen]

sorceries are not real

Is [[Invasion of Ikoria]] real anywhere

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/190/invasion-of-ikoria-zilortha-apex-of-ikoria

Invasion of Ikoria <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Ikoria enters, search your library and/or graveyard for a non-Human creature card with mana value X or less and put it onto the battlefield. If you search your library this way, shuffle.
Defense: 6

Zilortha, Apex of Ikoria
Legendary Creature — Dinosaur
Reach
For each non-Human creature you control, you may have that creature assign its combat damage as though it weren't blocked.
Phyrexia's largest goliaths stormed Ikoria, ready to challenge the world's great monsters. Zilortha was unimpressed.
8/8

[glad peak]

In commander

Not bad actually

[lusty trench]

Green suns with a good as reverse side

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A8JF7P9ZA83GgaqhQoP1L-DE-7wzAdGdknKLhm7c4OY/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3De25e3481fc24bd6a9aa4b03b1a4eedc42554b942/https/preview.redd.it/dsk-daggermaw-megalodon-via-fangoria-v0-74gz0m2dg9nd1.jpeg?format=webp&width=414&height=578

[last glen]

Might try Invasion of Ixalan in my dino deck
We dig even more for toolbox

[zinc shard]

Oh boy, its the blue mana dork that only taps for specific actions

[twilit canyon]

enchantmets is actually kinda broad

easily one of the better 2 mana dorks

in blue

[golden plover]

Yeah we draft this if we're in blue

[twilit canyon]

blue green or black or red want it yea

would be okayge 6th pick

[golden plover]

Yeah, we don't like take it P1P1, but I think we take it if we're already in an enchantment thing

[modern minnow]

placing bets rn izzet is the worst deck

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[twilit canyon]

surely not worst deck 2 formats in a row

[modern minnow]

blue will be the worst colour

[lusty trench]

I ain’t posting the gif again

[stark skiff]

Izzet is supposed to be the Rooms deck and is hardly getting shit lol

[twilit canyon]

rooms so far and some payoffs have looked solid

it'll depend on the other pieces tho

[golden plover]

Some of the rooms look good, and ngl that spirit hard carried

The question is how many rooms can you reasonably see in a draft with synergy pieces

[trail anvil]

I see a decent amount of playable ones, but it seems like they're scattered

[trail anvil]

isn't it jeskai overall

cause of stuff like [[inquisitive glimmer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/217/inquisitive-glimmer

Inquisitive Glimmer <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Fox Glimmer
Enchantment spells you cast cost less to cast.
Unlock costs you pay cost less.
Glimmers are physical manifestations of survivors' hope and courage. Their presence is one of the few things that can protect from Valgavoth's malevolent influence.
2/3

[trail anvil]

actually nvm it's just eerie with bonus room support

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7uSLabSUEORY-dOEUEDaa1HR1Iga_-TccOLvwltbaI4/https/i.redd.it/i48q2gtgg9nd1.jpeg

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bTddJle5wXaBM0DiaYJspQ8Db_B7P8C1uVVrVfbo_vE/https/i.redd.it/396q1drw3and1.jpeg

Another Assassin for Altair and etb

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/n4ltWWo18Q4kLMDSu49-CVOv6vUvn_dSG_5fcblln0w/https/i.redd.it/td6bn04fc8nd1.jpeg

[golden plover]

Ohh I like this a lot in blue

[stark skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/252175743512084480/1280584656353493002/Screenshot_295.png?ex=66dc9166&is=66db3fe6&hm=24d67bd48f9537a511fbf3abde45decdcff7ff02e049113026228d2d67d4e186&

[trail anvil]

@stark skiff

[stark skiff]

@trail anvil

[golden plover]

I kinda wish inquisitive glimmer was 1U then tbh

So it'd fit both archetypes better

[stark skiff]

Mommy’s home

Sad I didn’t get Minsc tho

[gritty nest]

I’ll use this in Kadena probably

[modern minnow]

kinda praying ub is good bc the signpost uncommons look fun

[golden plover]

Yeah this build is what I've been wanting to do in this deck the whole time

Nice Atraxa and Norn, sucks that I'm still just gonna Ygra loop you though them

I should've pinged down the Atraxa and Norn first smh

[twilit canyon]

harvester? idt u need harvester

oh is this bo1

if this is bo1 or g1 thats fine

but i'd side it out otherwise

[golden plover]

Was just playing a few bo1 games to get the feel for the deck

Harvester is good in g1 and to side out for leylines, more removal, or meathooks

No clue what the fuck they were on btw

Some stupid Keruga "Oops all O-Rings" thing

[zinc shard]

Finally got the card this art is from

[sudden lava]

we got the Jumpscare precon cards revealed

https://preview.redd.it/dsc-giggling-skitterspike-jump-scare-commander-deck-v0-jen19hkogend1.png?auto=webp&s=f37a92374df061f161768a191ddc7031220edc04

Toy Story 1 reference

https://preview.redd.it/dsc-kianne-corrupted-memory-infrecuentes-v0-3633n3jlfend1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5806d0a734a1b0f2d80101667ceab97f68126b9f

https://preview.redd.it/dsc-giggling-skitterspike-jump-scare-commander-deck-v0-yl4ow9b4hend1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ab381dabd18ae7523ebfee686f9bc1af18ea623

[lusty trench]

AESI AND ASHAYA REPRINTS

[glad peak]

Oh hey it’s old nadu

[zinc shard]

where are the reveals

nvm found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1tWgZ8r_Qw

[lusty trench]

Hello E witness on a sorcery

[sudden lava]

Odd/Even matters cards was unexpected but an interesting design space quandrix should've had

Maybe in the Arcavios set we could get that for the simic theme

[lusty trench]

I am so stuck on if I should get the aminatou precon or the valgavoth one, aminatou has my interest as she was my first commander but valgavoth

https://tenor.com/view/but-he's-so-cool-vegeta-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-z-abridged-gif-13984763277671305754

[lusty trench]

Fuck it rule of cool we ride

[lusty trench]

Tf are these preview dates

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The-Tale-of-Tamiyo.webp

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1282026402341982208/x41skuhs5fnd1.png?ex=66dddba1&is=66dc8a21&hm=4739d8e3d6ce6143a6e6f3c9f16fb30abce84ab0754c5a3254c0143501c07662&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=476&height=662

i hope this sees standard play at least

[twilit canyon]

thats got potential ngl

[broken fjord]

This is really nice for my Ashling deck. Makes the chain of plasma line cheaper.

[zinc shard]

Wizards doesn't usually do previews over the weekend.

[lusty trench]

Today is a Saturday and the next date is 3 days away

[glad peak]

Fear of being hunted isn’t flashy but it’s certainly effective

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1282057690587336818/image.png?ex=66ddf8c4&is=66dca744&hm=d2c87b92e880fe1f355d4d15790bb25a4a839f4981877099d1c6a8e0faf576d3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=660&height=346

seems the full art basics are in the precons

👀

[golden plover]

Probably not

They likely just used them as an example

[sudden lava]

aww (cuz the rakdos manor ones look so cool)

[stark skiff]

Building up Bumbleflower right now. Any must include cards you guys can think of?

[sudden lava]

2nd doctor and gluntch

[stark skiff]

Eh not trying to go too hard on group hug. Them getting one card is enough for me lol

[sudden lava]

Already in the precon but [steelbur champion] kinda nuts

[glad peak]

Food chain and the two enablers

Displacement kitten and zero mana stuff

[glad peak]

Lots of things cause infinite casts lol

[sudden lava]

oh yeah I still need to make my legolas voltron deck irl, that skitterspike goes crazy in it possibly

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DQ1sw0qnxK6Sd2PRe_A32lxYnIWYzyycTzjLYkpzAvU/https/i.redd.it/83di9eb1hend1.png

[glad peak]

Neat

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FuF0SQUPfbdlHJODaQHfSXGCnhDvXdBo-MLYbJ3xUwo/https/i.redd.it/lqiodb6ofend1.png

[trail anvil]

that's a lot of value, draw 2 create 2 2/2s is already nice for 5 mana

[sudden lava]

I hate Zimone's Hypothesis so much

[stark skiff]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4yIBZmMGatrHqu1I4RsbK4Qwuh93UWx-6SBNtvzg0o4/https/i.redd.it/6zc7ob6egend1.png

So much facedown support that I’m tempted to make a deck around it now lol

[sudden lava]

On curve unlock

[sudden lava]

cant use the blue stuff, but honorary bears are accepted by the rage mama

[trail anvil]

Nashi, Shadow Seeker BU

Legendary Creature: Rat Ninja Wizard

Menace

Each time Nashi deals combat damage to a player, mill as many cards. You can put any number of legendary cards and/or enchantment cards among them in your hand. If you don't, put a +1/+1 counter on Nashi.

[sudden lava]

the rat man

[stark skiff]

Rat support

[stark skiff]

I was thinking Yarus but yeah support comes in different colors so I’ll have to reassess lol

[atomic harness]

[stark skiff]

Ren loves value

[glad peak]

welp straight into the morph bar cube it goes

[stark skiff]

Todays buys Pt 1 @sleek ferry @meager isle @atomic harness @rigid scarab

[meager isle]

wtf a confetti foil

[atomic harness]

Nice banned card next to jetmir son

[stark skiff]

Banned? Where

[stark skiff]

Here’s a raised one

[sleek ferry]

Wait that underworld breach is hot

[rigid scarab]

I have that too thugs

Does that mean Im hot

[twilit canyon]

grief scam fucking sucks

lmfao

sheoldred with ring on 4 still couldnt survive the looming threat of phlage

[atomic harness]

deck is washed now sigh

[twilit canyon]

grief sucks

the deck gets way better without grief

[stark skiff]

lmao @atomic harness get good kid

the GOAT of Magic has spoken

[twilit canyon]

im not the goat

despite being good

the goat is paulo vitor damo da rosa

[stark skiff]

you are Ren's goat

[twilit canyon]

doesnt matter. no matter how i rank, the goat will be paulo. maybe u can make a case for reid duke

[atomic harness]

understandable

My two goats are misty and andrea mengucci

adam is number ||[REDACTED]||

[twilit canyon]

mengu? so ur a reid duke fan

[atomic harness]

[lusty trench]

Y'all I need a ruling on [[vren]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “vren”, can you be more specific?

[lusty trench]

[[vren the relentless]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/239/vren-the-relentless

Vren, the Relentless <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Rat Rogue
Ward
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
At the beginning of each end step, create X 1/1 black Rat creature tokens with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each other Rat you control," where X is the number of creatures your opponents controlled that were exiled this turn.
3/4

[lusty trench]

If a commander dies and they choose to put it in the command zone instead of letting it go to exile, does vrens controller get the rat still

[twilit canyon]

if it dies, exile it

it never goes to the grave

did the commander die and thus get exiled?

if yes: rrat

if the commander is then sent to the command zone

we follow normal rules for commander replacement effects

and thus

Commander dies or goes to exile. Immediately you are given the option to move them to the command zone. Then, any triggers that happen from the event that caused it to die go on the stack. If you choose for whatever reason not to put it into the command zone, it remains in the graveyard/exile until something else changes its zone.

[lusty trench]

Ah I see thank you

[copper pecan]

do people play [[aloe alchemist]] in standard?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/152/aloe-alchemist

Aloe Alchemist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Warlock
Trample
When Aloe Alchemist becomes plotted, target creature gets +3/+2 and gains trample until end of turn.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
3/2

[twilit canyon]

not really

its used in pioneer iirc

[sudden lava]

huh, no spoilers yet today

[sleek ferry]

I’ve seen it once in a gruul tempo list

But besides that, nope

[golden plover]

Lmao they coded the bonus sheet in Bloomburrow wrong

WELCOME BACK TO STANDARD T3F!!!

Who gets the most mileage out of this?

[twilit canyon]

is he even playable

[golden plover]

I guess it's either BoP, Ledger Shredder, or T3f?

[twilit canyon]

what, you're gonna bounce back an up the beanstalk?

[golden plover]

It might be Strix?

[twilit canyon]

fortunately it wont actually work iirc

[golden plover]

Obviously you can't actually do this, but a judge has to rule in favor of companion lmao

So you can theoretically argue the whole bonus sheet is currently standard legal

Wait it's definitely Jace the Mind Sculptor, right?

[twilit canyon]

unlikely

[steady onyx]

are there any good cheap decks for standard format?

on mtga

[atomic harness]

can't believe t3f is washed now holy

[waxen timber]

A great deck would be golgari midrange. You craft 4 Inn keeper's talents and 2-4 Vraskas then, just fill the rest of the deck with whatever green/black rares you have and really good uncommons like Cutdown/Deepcavern bat/Go for the throat

[atomic harness]

Go for the throat pog

[twilit canyon]

red aggressive decks but they are bad

i'd def look into midrange decks

golgari is not a bad place to start but it can be a bit intensive to actually get started and get good at them

[atomic harness]

is anything esper still playable misty

[twilit canyon]

no reason to splash black

in azorius control

conversely

[atomic harness]

oo azorius sure I'm in

[twilit canyon]

no reason to splash blue in orzhov midrange piles

blue/white is hard meta cus its one of the only decks that can beat ramp

[atomic harness]

is dimir washed

[twilit canyon]

dimir is fine

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

but it has struggling match ups bc of how many enchantments and artifacts are eta

*meta

[steady onyx]

ive been playing simic cookies

i really like the deck

but ive been doing pretty bad

[atomic harness]

bimic...

[twilit canyon]

simic is strong but not as an aggro pair

[steady onyx]

ive been getting overrun very quickly by frogs, lizards / other small creat7ures

[twilit canyon]

you splash red/white/black

and play domain

if you play simic

[steady onyx]

this is the list i havew

is there anything I can salvage

or do I just need to build a new deck

this is whatI have for wild cards

[proud shore]

i just put together a commander combo

[waxen timber]

Craft 2 inkeeper's talents and add them to that deck. Instantly makes that better

[steady onyx]

ok

[proud shore]

first i use these

to abuse these

but that's a 6 card combo

got any ideas on simplifying the combo?

(basically the first combo allows me to force my opponents to cast any spell, the second allows me to make my opponent burn themselves with food tokens, using blue for infinite mana combos)

[steady onyx]

and yopu think that would be better than trying to build a enw deck>?

[waxen timber]

Both gruul and golgari are top decks and use innkeepers in them so, if that isn't enough of a boost to your deck, you didn't waste the wild cards

[steady onyx]

alright 👍

[glad peak]

tbh that combo looks less practical than some seen in r/badmtgcombos lol

[proud shore]

oh its not about practicality

its about winning in a funny way

[waxen timber]

Turn 1 Spyglass Siren, turn 2 innkeeper's talent should be enough to take down some frog decks

[proud shore]

im calling it a forcefeed combo, because im forcing em to eat food tokens

BUT LOWKEY, wondering if just taking my opponent's turn for them and finding a way to flip the heal to hurt would be simpler

[glad peak]

wait how are you getting the mana for this? regular kitten combo?

[proud shore]

im gonna nest this in a blue white red deck with uhh

[glad peak]

if you take the opponent's turn then you dont need hive mind and just need a way to give the opponent near infinite (doesnt have to be literally infinite) food and enough mana to eat all the food and then play something like exquisite blood instead of the lizard but that requires black

[steady onyx]

whatthe fuck am i supposed to do

[glad peak]

id be very surprised if you pull off the combo instead of discarding any of the 4 combo pieces that don't do anything outside of the combo

[glad peak]

pyroclasm soon, trust