mice are actually very very powerful atm in alchemy
#Magic the Gathering
twilit canyon
trail anvil
jarsyl being a huge example
twilit canyon
super pushed aggressive cards
twilit canyon
what lol
this set is already starting off unhinged as fuck
for all intents and purposes
this is just dem tutor 2
what the fuck are they cooking
twilit canyon
im betting we are about to see an extremely broken anti-searcher
hidden ermine
Oh wait the +1/+1 is an emblem
twilit canyon
The Kaito looks ... alright?
hexproof ninjitsu means hes guaranteed to get shit going
hidden ermine
Thats actually kinda cracked
twilit canyon
and emblem means all ninjas are permanently lit up
hes very very good
it includes himself btw
hidden ermine
I assumed
twilit canyon
so he becomes a 4/5 with hexproof after a +1
hidden ermine
Maybe Ill play some Arena again once this set launches
lusty trench
Animatou as an enchantress commander feels ehh
sudden lava
lusty trench
Like her better as top deck manipulation but sure this is okay
Did someone say a rakdos effect?
sudden lava
I love this
twilit canyon
commander š¤
reveal real set cards
oh nvm u guys are useless i got all of them now
lusty trench
WHAT DO YOU MEAN KAITOS PLUS ONE IS AN EMBLEM
twilit canyon
this can win the game
i found these guys interesting
bc it means that destruction removal will continue to kinda suck ass
lusty trench
Damn the enduring cycle all bangers
hidden ermine
What is "fully unlocking a room"?
twilit canyon
depending on the effect its just gonna feel bad to kill things
hidden ermine
Or do we not know yet
twilit canyon
lusty trench
What is "fully unlocking a room"?
When you cast a room, you unlock one room or the other
twilit canyon
what a card
sudden lava
lusty trench
Based on which cost you pay
sudden lava
hidden ermine
I am infinite
Damn I didnt know we got the MTG x Sonic crossover
twilit canyon
uncommon!?
holy fuck
this guy is gas
maybe aggro is back
this is kinda nuts
not when it enters š
lusty trench
The jonkler
twilit canyon
its a reference to it
wtf
who is the jonkler
i kinda fw these frames
nvm these are better
lusty trench
People call the joker the jonkler
twilit canyon
i know
lusty trench
Oh
twilit canyon
sigh
we didnt need split up
holy
wait aggro is so back
we get it on arena
lusty trench
Damn that's a sexy art for it
twilit canyon
pretty huge for historic
lusty trench
Also the artist for the textured valgavoth is called pig hands
lusty trench
Show us rat boy
lusty trench
damn
twilit canyon
uncommon
this is stupid good
opponent cannot block etbs
thats brutal
@hidden ermine heres the room text
twilit canyon
twilit canyon
archon of cruelty, living death, goryo's vengeance
lusty trench
DAMN
twilit canyon
i hope those are the special guests we get on arena
steady onyx
wait
twilit canyon
archon has been sorely missing
steady onyx
can u have 2 emblem
twilit canyon
and so has goryo's
steady onyx
with same name?
steady onyx
like can u stack the ninja emblem
twilit canyon
mhm
steady onyx
that gives +1 / +1
lusty trench
Yep
stark skiff
simic and annoying go together
steady onyx
idk mabye it's just too slow
stark skiff
isnt it 9 now with tribal i think
lusty trench
So do you get one of these cards or do you get 3/6
I'm assuming the term bundle means 3/6
stark skiff
huh this is really neat
lusty trench
online orders don't qualify
Lgs support nice
Damn this set is looking to be a banger
broken fjord
Unwanted Remake is super solid. Been a while since white got a decent 1 cost removal spell, I think.
Rakdos Valgavoth is basically ob yeah? It's actual card draw though, but you don't get as much of it. You also aren't restricted to just dealing increments of one.
sleek ferry
That Kaito is insane
last glen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225487824145481769/1279553881868865556/i...
mutant
doesn't mutate
0/10 flavor
stark skiff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225487824145481769/1279559963143835669/i...
whats a nightmare booster?
lusty trench
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225487885562806393/1279560184833900645/i...
These
You presumably get 3/6
Iām assuming the crypt ghast one is more common than the archon of cruelty one
lusty trench
Stinky land
Feels awful at rare
Iād cry if I opened this as my rare in draft (I will open it 50% of the time)
sleek ferry
This cooks in sealed though
lusty trench
These are usually at common in sealed, it is extremely rare that the hexproof will matter
twilit canyon
enchantment matters this set
lusty trench
True that could come up
Koma is misprinted, should be each upkeep not your upkeep
Magus of the moons flavourtext is a substitution cypher that reads āthe blood moon risesā over and over
trail anvil
oof the only land animator in standard already gives hexproof
why does this have hexproof anyways
twilit canyon
[[nature's claim]]
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twilit canyon
and other enchantment sweepers
err
targeted removal
artifact lands got indestructible tagged on after the initial round
trail anvil
oh I didn't see enchantment land lmao
twilit canyon
and then they want urza's saga to have a weakness
last glen
spitballing
Are there any cards that have different effects or costs if you control no lands?
copper pecan
no
sudden lava
Aww
gritty nest
Is shadow heart your commander? If so what is her background?
steady onyx
Is shadow heart your commander? If so what is her background?
dungeon delver
tbf shadowheart did very little
dungeon delver did a lot of the funny stuff
but shadowheart drew basically the perfect hand to do that
gritty nest
[[dungeon delver]]
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gritty nest
[[shadowheart]]
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Legendary Creature ā Human Elf Cleric
, 
, Sacrifice another creature: Draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"Shar's will shall be done. As sure as night will fall."
3/4
gritty nest
Huh, neat
trail anvil
going back to monogreen is weird to me
that activated ability seems like it has a fun ceiling
lusty trench
Twitter
THIS ART IS CRAZY
They made the reflection look like theyāve been cut open
zinc shard
lusty trench
He just doesnāt miss
fallow citrus
I loved seeing someone call this "squeaky jiki"
golden plover
New Zimone is one of the wackiest non-Unset cards I've ever seen wtf
Also... Is 1 not prime? I thought 1 was prime
fallow citrus
nope
golden plover
What? What's 1 divisible by?
Oh apparently 1 just has a weird arbitrary rule that doesn't make it prime?
sleek ferry
Makes sense to me
fallow citrus
although this has already made a comment on reddit I saw come true
lusty trench
Im still really confused on what the technology that first was used in unsets
Is it doors and merge? Because Iād say doors are more similar to split cards
Or weāre split cards first in unset with who what when where why
No they were in onslaught
Hmm
golden plover
Split cards were designed for unglued 2 first
Unglued 2 was cancelled and then they showed up in onslaught
It feels very pedantic to refer to it like that tho
Like I think it's probably doors, but I think that teaser feels really pedantic
lusty trench
The hint āmechanic first used in the third set of a blockā hint doesnāt help much either considering that future sight is the third set of a block
lusty trench
Ahhh
hidden ermine
Oh apparently 1 just has a weird arbitrary rule that doesn't make it prime?
Its not arbitrary
Its because having 1 be a prime screws up a lot of things
And there is no good way to define primeness if 1 is a prime
golden plover
Gotcha
Also, huh, if you reanimate a room no door is open
Same with cascade or anything else that doesn't cast it
Imma need to see comprehensive rules on that since what's the name of the card at that point
Also, what's the name of the card if both rooms are open? And the mana value, and speed and stuff
Well I guess speed is sorcery
sudden lava
I loved seeing someone call this "squeaky jiki"
clever sun
I loved seeing someone call this "squeaky jiki"
We call him Freaky Jiki
lusty trench
Man the more I read new aminatou the more Iām disappointed
She was my first commander, it sucks to see her turn into this
glad peak
on the bright side uhhhh
yeah no i can't think of one
maybe she'll have another card in the main set?
lusty trench
Hopefully but to pigeonhole her into enchantments sucks
golden plover
What the fuck? Deathrite Shaman is Pioneer legal?
trail anvil
I think the big reason why people consider it okay is cause fetches are specifically banned in that format
golden plover
Yeah I just forgot it was legal
gritty nest
I donāt like Aminitou because I already know people will misplay Miracle
trail anvil
like using a fetch by accident?
zinc shard
or trying to cast a spell for its miracle cost later in the turn
broken fjord
Valgavoth is the only interesting one for me, right now. Rakdos Punisher with a proper engine as a commander is somewhat appealing.
stark skiff
miracle as a mechanic is bleh
and yeah valg is the only i like so far but it really is just ob nix pt 2
trail anvil
Valgavoth is the only interesting one for me, right now. Rakdos Punisher with a ...
I think his ward triggering his effect is kinda funny
proud shore
thoughts on a group hug stax deck?
glad peak
Building that might be weird since they stall the game in different ways and not sure how good it is to give your opponents answers to your stax pieces before you fully lock them out
subtle sierra
@twilit canyon what was the white mythic you suggested i build towards before? archangel elspeth?
someone just flashed a faerie mastermind and used it to block a mite
glad peak
Optimal
subtle sierra
they had 0 counters 
copper pecan
you never know when your opponent could just proliferate 9 times out of nowhere 
gritty nest
like using a fetch by accident?
By drawing the card, putting it in their hand and shuffling it around before realizing they drew a miracle
sudden lava
Valgavoth is the only interesting one for me, right now. Rakdos Punisher with a ...
same
english image of previous mentioned toy
lusty trench
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1280185965264240662/...
This is an uncommon?
golden plover
This is an uncommon?
I mean, it's kinda bad
lusty trench
Ye that's what a mean
modern minnow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/448940916833648640/1280187711990399037/IM...
thats very cute
sudden lava
Also the selesnya land implies the aliens hinted to be in set are green/white
gritty nest
@trail anvil so I bought the Selesnya starter deck
They told me they didnāt want to me to get it for them after I had gotten it
golden plover
Ye that's what a mean
Oh it's a signpost
So the Izzet draft archetype is "rooms matter"
lusty trench
Enchantments matter in izzet is odd but it's not spellslinging for the 100th time so ig I'll take it
modern minnow
would be really funny if izzet was the worst colour pair again
lusty trench
Oh okay so apparently how the nightmare bundles work is you get one of the border less cards and one of the poster style cards
The worst combo you can get is living death and exhume, with the best being archon of cruelty and crypt ghast
Money wise at least
twilit canyon
<@480437470870110209> what was the white mythic you suggested i build towards be...
beza or season of the burrow? maybe archangel elspeth?
lusty trench
last glen
Hmm
Unlucky lands
Can we pay below 13 fast enough for these to be good
golden plover
It's any player
They probably come in untapped frequently enough in the mid to late game to be decent
copper pecan
the original version of rooms is kinda wild but in a bad way tbh
way too complicated
golden plover
Oh God yeah that's a mess
Extra Deck plus Dungeons youve gotta track with a meeple
copper pecan
literally dungeon dice monsters
golden plover
I was thinking betrayal
But I don't wanna play Betrayal in mtg and vice versa
I'm glad they're realizing they can't do an extra deck tho
Even companions, which was only 1 extra deck slot, was too much
sudden lava
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/top-of-the-duskmourning-part-1
The house is Irish?
zinc shard
trail anvil
this looks like it'll be pretty nice in limited
golden plover
Yeah I like this a lot for draft
Rn it looks like it's something I wanna force any time I'm in white
Obviously depends on the rest of the format, but it's a potentially very solid aggro tool + card draw
Damn, wish we had a few convoke cards
last glen
poggers the return of convoke in pioneer?
trail anvil
I'm sure white is gonna get some kind of self tapping theme to go with survival, whether or not any convoke is in there is yet to be seen
I'd fuck with a white convoke demon though
sudden lava
golden plover
Wow that red spirit is ass
sudden lava
True!
golden plover
Undead Sprinter feels like he sucks too tbh
lusty trench
Unless they got cantrip enchantments im inclined to agree
twilit canyon
Undead Sprinter feels like he sucks too tbh
its perfectly fine
super obnoxious in the right deck
tho idt u splash red for it
errr
splash black
golden plover
My issue is that it reads like it wants to be in a sacrifice shell
But it also doesn't read like something you ever wanna play from hand
I guess you can discard it off fable or whatever?
But you can do way better things in that kind of deck
twilit canyon
nah just send him in an aggro rb shell
send down main and use him and aggro 1-2 drops and if they die, u get a 2 mana 3/3 trample haste
golden plover
Issue with that tho is that he's not attacking for 3 the turn you get him back from the gy
You want to have had your other guys die in your first main
golden plover
I dunno. It's probably decent in standard but I feel like it's not gonna have enough value
lusty trench
Gravecrawler 2: internalised racism and he learned how to run
waxen timber
I hate how much body horror the recent sets have had. I was already offput by the year of pyhraxian sets we had and now Duskmorn has a ton of grotesque cards
golden plover
Yeah there's a lot of gross card art in Duskmorn so far
twilit canyon
its almost fine
golden plover
I hate how much body horror the recent sets have had. I was already offput by th...
Another thing that's more personal, but I don't like about the art direction for Duskmorn is how the stories have all this cool established lore and tone and the cards just miss it
lusty trench
I vibe with it, sets it apart from a lot of card games
golden plover
The cards are either very goofy art wise or just weird and grotesque, but it's not the same vibe that was established in the Planeswalkers' guide and stories
I like the idea of the setting a lot, but it feels very mismatched RN and feels like a movie set instead of a plane
twilit canyon
bit more focused on the grotesque wouls have helped imo
but idk if magic would go that far anymore
golden plover
The story established that the plane has been like this for generations, but the art makes it look like it became Duskmorn yesterday
twilit canyon
somewhat?
golden plover
It would have been fine if it became Duskmorn yesterday
golden plover
But everyone looks like they just wandered in off the street
twilit canyon
valgavoth being a recent development would make more sense imo
golden plover
Which doesn't fit the story where they've been in the house for like 40 years minimum
It's a weird disconnect that feels like something changed last minute
Again, nothing wrong with the house popping up the night before
twilit canyon
tbh, i dont blame the interns working on the story last second
golden plover
But none of the art really looks like the plane has been around for a while and the people don't look like they've lived in the house their whole lives
They hired novelists for the story rn, so I think it's an issue with the art direction
The art director probably didn't necessarily read the story/Planeswalker's guide tbh
twilit canyon
and/or novelist
golden plover
I mean the Planeswalkers' guide aligns with the story direction
It's the art that's off
Like this guy
Dude just showered, has clean clothes on, and brand new tech
golden plover
Yeah, which isn't possible considering his tech is from the plane
golden plover
The story makes a big deal of all the tech being refurbished from remnants
twilit canyon
what if this set was originally supposed to be in kamigawa?
like an old and worn part of a city district inside an old and cursed home
golden plover
I don't necessarily see Kamigawa, but I definitely think that the house probably wasn't 100% of the plane until a very late decision
twilit canyon
i think kamigawa bc of the tech
golden plover
I figure for a while it was probably a majority of the setting, but there was probably plans for parts of the plane outside of the house
twilit canyon
like the home is full of old tech that has already been discontinued
sudden lava
Not gonna pick up anything of the land cycle
golden plover
It's not the first time we've had a huge tone mismatch on a setting and story tho
Ikoria's art direction was VERY different from the setting and story
golden plover
And even recently Thunder Junction was pretty bad about not matching the established setting too
twilit canyon
this is the tone the art + story share but the problem w the art is that its too fresh vs what story presents
golden plover
Yeah, like I said, it would have been fine if the Valgavoth stuff happened literally overnight and we were seeing the plane the day/week after Valgavoth took over
But it's been at least 40 years and the art does not convey that at all
sudden lava
Maybe pauper players will enjoy the new dual lands but eh they dont look that good
golden plover
Also would have worked in the other direction, if all the survivors were very obviously from other planes
twilit canyon
oh yeah for sure
golden plover
Like if every survivor we saw was from Kamigawa or Ravnica or New Capenna, it'd be more believable
golden plover
It's just that the Duskmorn natives are all wearing fresh clothes and using new tech
twilit canyon
again part of why i think this plane was likely originally set in kamigawa
golden plover
I guess the issue with every survivor being from other planes is that it kinda becomes the OTJ problem again
twilit canyon
involvement of nashi, emperor, and kaito makes sense then too
golden plover
Although we've already seen an "OTJ moment" in Norin
Fr tho, how the fuck is Norin here? How is he not dead
twilit canyon
he's wary
golden plover
Their official explanation in the stream was a "he could have fallen through a time rift or something"
twilit canyon
but it's just gonna be a 1 of reference
golden plover
So it didn't even really seem like they knew why he was back other than putting a known name on a card
golden plover
It's not a bad card. It's just confusing why it's Norin
Could've also been a distant relative like Jared/Jenson Carhelion
twilit canyon
yeah for sure
but again, magic isnt cool enough to say "here's norin and here's lore reasons why hes back"
golden plover
I was hoping the "A character mentioned in Alpha flavor text" preview was Asmoranormadicadastinaculdicar tbh
She's probably be having a great time here
golden plover
The survivors would love her weird ass monster recipes
twilit canyon
okay tbf
copper pecan
iirc maro said on his blog
twilit canyon
it could have been peak but then again, it could have also been a norin case
where its just a 1 of reference
copper pecan
that the reason why norin is there is because the time portals in time spiral sent him there instead of sending him back home
golden plover
Yeah but a couple years ago someone asked Maro about Norin's status and he said confirmed dead too
twilit canyon
yeah but is he gonna get involved in the story
golden plover
Which makes sense considering Norin was around 700 years ago
It's just kinda weird to take a character who had zero reason to be alive again and randomly bring them back in a new plane
Other than "oh that's a cute reference" what does bringing Norin back accomplish that introducing his descendant, Naomi the Wary, doesn't
twilit canyon
yea
or like
again, if u bring him back
give a real story reason for it?
maybe norin returned first to the mansion and knows all the safe spots
polar lake
golden plover
Yeah Norin could be considered a prodigy among the survivors since his caution has kept him alive and he teaches the others how to avoid the threats
polar lake
def gonna see standard and possibly modern and pio play
golden plover
But nah, it's just "looks guys, Norin is here"
subtle sierra
isn't this insane?
polar lake
yes
golden plover
Imo it's like fine
I think it's a card that outside of draft will read better than it plays
polar lake
i can see 1 - 3 copies floating around in dredge
subtle sierra
also misty, i made 2 elspeths and added builders talent, builders is better than i expected
also made some get losts
also also, thoughts on [[sunder the gateway]] over requisition raid?
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Sorcery
Choose one ā
ā¢ Destroy target nontoken artifact or enchantment an opponent controls. Incubate 2. (Create an Incubator token with two +1/+1 counters on it and "
: Transform this artifact." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
ā¢ Incubate 2, then transform an Incubator token you control.
trail anvil
I feel like that depends on how often you're running into domain or boros midrange, where you'd want both modes
subtle sierra
oh true i forgor it can kill 2 at a time
twilit canyon
gateway has been fine too
req raid is good
but instant vs sorcery
but the modal 2 drop draw a card too
its got arguments for both
golden plover
Req Raid is a sorcery too, no?
trail anvil
[[requisition raid]]
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Sorcery
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)
- ā Destroy target artifact.
- ā Destroy target enchantment.
- ā Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature target player controls.
The Freestriders believe in liberation, in all its many forms.
trail anvil
ye
trail anvil
[[pawpatch formation]] isn't but that's in green
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Instant
Choose one ā
ā¢ Destroy target creature with flying.
ā¢ Destroy target enchantment.
ā¢ Draw a card. Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
trail anvil
I still stand by get lost, even if those maps are a big compensation
twilit canyon
nah that card is just so ass. its necessary but its so bad
zinc shard
Yargle Day Midweek Magic is up
It's All Access Brawl, but your commander has to be a Frog (or Tatsunari), with 2 Emblems:
"Frog spells cost 2 less to cast"
"Whenever a Frog you control enters, you may sacrifice a creature. If you do, draw a card and that Frog gains all of the abilities of the sacrificed creature."
golden plover
Realized why I don't like this card. It's basically just [[Tenacious Underdog]] but worse in the late game
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Creature ā Human Warrior
Blitzā, Pay 2 life. (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
You may cast Tenacious Underdog from your graveyard using its blitz ability.
3/2
golden plover
In the late game tenacious underdog is at least drawing you a card every turn
polar lake
i think undead spitter is just a draft rare
golden plover
I think it's great in draft, sure
lusty trench
Yeah in limited it'll be really annoying, but outside of that there's better things you could be doing
golden plover
But I think in any constructed format I'd wanna be playing Tenacious Underdog in the slot
And even then, underdog doesn't make the cut in pioneer
Maybe you can do something with it and [[BartolomƩ del Presidio]] in standard?
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golden plover
Mardu self sac?
lusty trench
Nah it's too cute of a combo
golden plover
Yeah, I don't even really know what you'd do there
pulsar talon
https://scryfall.com/card/lci/224/bartolom%C3%A9-del-presidio
Wait
golden plover
You'd need infinite mana, and something else to die
pulsar talon
Is this not opt?
golden plover
But like... How does BartolomƩ win you the game
golden plover
Is this not opt?
Nope
pulsar talon
Huh
golden plover
BartolomƩ is a card that reads crazy tbh, but he's yet to find a practical use
I mean, the joke was that [[Viscera Seer]] went infinite with everything but iirc I don't even think Viscera Seer has been relevant for any combos in a while
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golden plover
I wouldn't doubt BartolomƩ could theoretically end up breaking something down the line, since he's better than Viscera Seer. But rn, I'm not sure what that is
The closest is a cat oven thing
But BartolomƩ is an unnecessary part for a cat oven combo
polar lake
yeah tbh im a sucker for bad cards and this is right up my alley for some weird aristo strat in standard
golden plover
If they give us a [[Mayhem Devil]] analog, I'd be way more on this card
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lusty trench
Foundations has a blood artist
golden plover
I still keep wanting vore combo in Jund just for mayhem devil
But I can't justify mayhem devil in the deck, especially when we have access to [[Zulaport Cutthroat]]
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golden plover
In Pioneer
golden plover
[[Vengeful Bloodwitch]] is coming to standard
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golden plover
It's not mayhem devil tho
polar lake
its no mayhem devil but it works
golden plover
A big selling point of mayhem devil is that the ping is "any target"
polar lake
basically a eidolon of the great revel but for saccing shit
aristocrat mirror matches with five mayhem devils on board
lusty trench
That's where you have to do mayhem math and figure out if it's more optimal to ping your opponent or ping their own devils
polar lake
the real question is how do you even get to that point
lusty trench
Both you and your opponent are bad at deck building
golden plover
I found out that whoever reaches for their cat first in the vore mirror loses
trail anvil
It's All Access Brawl, but your commander has to be a Frog (or Tatsunari), with ...
this one's pretty fun, junji seems crazy in this mode lol
so many ways to give yargle & multani haste, flying, trample, etc
copper pecan
do y'all think the new common duals will be good in pauper
glad peak
we should've gotten some of these duals in bloomburrow smh
proud shore
Building that might be weird since they stall the game in different ways and not...
yeah, but what if you can focus on giving one opponent answers, and now you're not the only threat in a 4 player game
stark skiff
the whole point of grouphug is to not be annoying to your opponent and not feel like you are so far ahead even though you are building up your board (assuming youre trying to win)
stax is just gonna turn everyone on you even if you are in grouphug
golden plover
Kinda glad this isn't just the normal "When target creature dies this turn, return it to the battlefield"
We've had too many of those in draft lately and they're all samey
This is a fine effect. Not insane, but always good in draft
Although it's also another survivor with too clean of clothes
OHH THIS IS A LIMITED ALLSTAR
last glen
These Ragavan-a-likes are getting out of hand
golden plover
[[Aliana's Pathmaker]] was insane last draft
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copper pecan
this is nowhere near as good as ragavan
golden plover
[[Alania's Pathmaker]]
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copper pecan
can't believe they'd powercreep dreadmaw like this, literally shaking and crying
love a landcycler though
golden plover
Skull flying and recurring makes it mythic yeah
But this is an insane common
This is the lowest mana cost for that effect and it's on a hasty 1/1
twilit canyon
didnt we have one that exiled the top 2? ig no haste but same type of effect is fine
golden plover
It's possibly even constructed playable in stuff like pioneer Boros aggro
golden plover
Iirc the exile two one costs like 3 mana
glad peak
Landcycling and lots of duals in this set, looks to be a good draft experience
golden plover
I don't see the room for it rn, yeah. But it's a very solid card that I wouldn't be surprised to pop up in a constructed list that's heavy on cheap creatures
twilit canyon
[[unlucky witness]]
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golden plover
Either way, percussionist is making a strong argument for red rn
Oh right, he doesn't have haste tho
golden plover
Both matter
It's gonna be really good in draft
But ngl, I'm hoping this draft is slower
twilit canyon
i wouldnt consider it to be something worth a top 5 draft pick
golden plover
The past 3-4 drafts have all been too fast
twilit canyon
no? blb draft was real slow (bad but slow)
golden plover
Bloomburrow draft is pretty fast. All the best decks are fast and aggressive
Rabbits, Lizards, Mice, and Bats are all fast decks
Bats less-so but they're all decently quick
twilit canyon
not really fast?
the reason they are good is bc they can go long
and the best uncommon is the moose
6 drop isnt aggro
golden plover
It's interesting seeing the "overcorrection" happening in draft rn tbh. Before WOE, all the drafts were too bomb heavy. And I guess to fix that, they made all the drafts a lot faster (WOE, LCI, MKM, and Bloomburrow are all very fast). I wonder if they'll adjust it and the next drafts will be very control heavy
Rabbits does have the ability to grind out longer games yeah, but it starts up decently fast and mice and lizards are VERY fast
twilit canyon
lizards and mice suck
if you are in rb or rw, you dont wanna be all in on aggro
white is just too good at going long and then black same but they are held back by red being godawful
like at least they arent izzet
glad peak
Hope dusk has a good experience with those types of cards but we also saw a couple of 1 mana 2/1s which suggest otherwise
golden plover
Honestly I think the change in common and uncommon play design has been what's lead to drafts being fast and ehh lately
New boosters didn't help. But commons do a lot more now
Decent common, genuinely terrible art tho
Something about the angle and perspective looks awful
Also, again the flavor is wrong but that's just a constant with these survivors
glad peak
Whatās the story of dusk? Whatās with winter and whatāre the champions that were in that one archenemy card?
golden plover
80 years ago, Maria made a deal with Valgavoth to protect her. He did it by expanding the house around her. It keeps her young and protects her, but it also lets Valgavoth feed on the fear and nightmares all happening in the plane
It's been this way for 80 years, so I dunno where all these 80s teens are coming from
Also winter betrayed the group and was a cultist of Valgavoth
lusty trench
Her right elbow is bent the wrong way
Like I can replicate that position for it but it's incredibly uncomfortable and does not need to be
twilit canyon
thats brutal though
for any ramp deck thats just a blow out
also leyline of the void is back
golden plover
Yeah, but that's way too costly to likely see much play
Cute card, but it's 4 mana minimum to get it online
twilit canyon
6
golden plover
also leyline of the void is back
I kinda wish we'd get a new black Leyline
glad peak
Huh pretty cool
twilit canyon
4 baseline but to get a sack its 6
twilit canyon
its a very neat card overall
twilit canyon
twilit canyon
meh
sleek ferry
I van't believe they really named it Meathook Massacre 2
:icant:
where's my counterspell 2
twilit canyon
sleek ferry
this is pretty good in a vacuum, but idt it has a home
golden plover
Ghost Vaccuum is CRAZY
It's Hearse, but you get the creatures and it's half the cost
golden plover
twilit canyon
golden plover
Niko is cool. Surprised to see that effect in Azorious
twilit canyon
last glen
Does Ghost Vacuum replace Hearse wholesale as GY hate?
golden plover
Hearse does technically hit 2 at a time, which is an upside
last glen
Hearse can become a body at a much lower mana cost
golden plover
And that too
twilit canyon
theres upsides to hearse
golden plover
But I think in most situations ghost vaccuum is probably better
It'll take testing with both to see
sleek ferry
am I bugging or are shard tokens actually just insane
is Niko the only one that can make shard tokens, or is it a set thing?
last glen
Is there enough demand for GY banishing where you play four copies of one and then one or two copies of the other?
sleek ferry
Is there enough demand for GY banishing where you play four copies of one and th...
I main [[cease/desist]] in my abzan control deck
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Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.
Desist 
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.
sleek ferry
but card is just nice in general
golden plover
sleek ferry
Rooms are literally unjudgable until I get to test them in game imo
glad peak
Promising stairs? You mean the house of leaves 
golden plover
The issue for Stairs is how many colors does it need you to be in
glad peak
(Context: big portion of the book is dedicated to telling us the stairs of the house donāt make sense and scares Johnny)
golden plover
If we can enable it in like 2 colors, maybe 3, it's probably decent enough
twilit canyon
if 2 or 3 its a legit wincon if rooms are trivial
golden plover
But it's hard to judge it rn and if you need 4+ it's unplayable
twilit canyon
subtle sierra
is the wincon checks only in upkeep or is immediate
glad peak
I think itās check on upkeep since theyāre on the same line
twilit canyon
upkeep
golden plover
is the wincon checks only in upkeep or is immediate
Wording is really confusing. I think it's upkeep only?
twilit canyon
same line as mudkip said is right
glad peak
Magic is like python, lines matter 
subtle sierra
it kinda sounds like it's not, but it's my yugioh brain
golden plover
Damn, all the overlords kinda suck tbh
This is the best one so far
And it's... Not good
Pyroclasm in standard and pioneer
Signpost uncommon
glad peak
Jeskai rooms letās gooo
golden plover
I could've sworn Azorious was gonna be survivors/counters
twilit canyon
lets gooooooo
glad peak
Maybe each pair has 2 themes they share with another pair
last glen
Also procs my enrages too
Very funny
glad peak
Effectively making 3 color big themes
last glen
I gotta find space for Pyroclasm in my Gruul Dino Pioneer deck
twilit canyon
they are very good
lusty trench
This feels more like a curse
golden plover
They seem decent, but I dunno how often they're gonna be offline
golden plover
This feels more like a curse
Yeah genuinely kinda surprised it's not a curse
twilit canyon
not often with fabled passage and surveil lands
subtle sierra
ok i might be interested in a room deck
lusty trench
Ethereal armour reprint kinda big
golden plover
Hmm I wonder what pioneer heroic looks like with the new red Leyline
fallow citrus
are there any enchantment matters cards in standard rn
lusty trench
I mean there's gonna be a lot more considering Erie is just constellation plus rooms
But as of right now I'm struggling to think of any
twilit canyon
Hmm I wonder what pioneer heroic looks like with the new red Leyline
the same. its way too slow.
lusty trench
There's calix ig?
fallow citrus
hmm ig calix works
last glen
Hmm
It's an interesting sort of land
I wonder if this replaces the pay 1 lands in Pioneer
subtle sierra
bunnycorn? or was it just creatures?
fallow citrus
bunnicorn is nonland permanents so that works
golden plover
Hmm
It's an interesting sort of land
I wonder if this replaces the pay 1 lands i...
You'd rather the pay 1 lands
glad peak
Huh ethereal armor, looks like aggroās on the menu (for draft)
last glen
The secondary color is turned on by the shock lands
And triomes, but I don't think you play these in tri-color decks
lusty trench
There's also these which are... Something ig
fallow citrus
I'm just gonna browse scryfall for a bit and see
golden plover
The issue with these outside of slower decks and splashes of a very small off color is that they'd sometimes be dead t1-3ish
You'd rather be able to pay to guarantee your colors over sometimes not having a color
Unless you're on something like control or can justify running them for a small splash of a third color
last glen
Hmm
I see it
fallow citrus
archivist is p good if I'm just dropping enchants left and right
lusty trench
Issue is the low toughness and opt but ig that doesn't matter toooo much
fallow citrus
man there is really nothing
lusty trench
Fingers crossed on duskmourn to hard carry ig
golden plover
glad peak
Never mind aggro ded 
golden plover
Neat art, but this is gonna feel like shit to open in a special guest slot
golden plover
Never mind aggro ded <:Hahaa:642861303387521034>
Special Guest, doesn't change legality
glad peak
Nah tho Iām interested in seeing what the environment ends up as
fallow citrus
[[slumbering keepguard]] sure is a card lmao
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Whenever an enchantment you control enters, scry 1.
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Dreams of a realm united gave him strength even in sleep.
1/1
glad peak
Since it seems to want to be this slow do your thing type of draft set but it has so many good aggro tools
golden plover
Outside of Expropriate, this special guest sheet feels like ass damn
glad peak
Sacrifice targeting poggy roggy
golden plover
This is like all commons
twilit canyon
Never mind aggro ded <:Hahaa:642861303387521034>
pyroclasm certainly doesnt help aggro lol
golden plover
Reminder these are all mythics on arena lmao
lusty trench
Is antlanak a reference to bloody Mary, beetle juice or candy man? Personally I think it's beetle juice but
golden plover
But yeah the rest of these definitely don't feel like mythics smh
I guess Expropriate is fine at mythic in arena, but nothing is gonna play it
golden plover
Is antlanak a reference to bloody Mary, beetle juice or candy man? Personally I ...
A bit of all three tbh
lusty trench
Expropriate is the counter or concede obligatory commander reprint
The amount of times I've had people unironically choose time
Mf I dont care if he gets your archon of cruelty/doubling season/eldrazi titan/insert expensive mythic with scary effect, take an extra turn is infinitely worse for us
fallow citrus
that unholy heat fucks
golden plover
Expropriate is the counter or concede obligatory commander reprint
Oh it's only $11 now too? Why did I think it was like a $40 card still
zinc shard
fallow citrus
what a series name
sleek ferry
Welcome to the Edge would have been better
and anytime he says the name, he just changes his voice and looks straight at the camera
golden plover
Wow Boros Aggro, Rakdos Self Sac, and Orzhov Reanimator? Daring
At least Izzet is Rooms and not spellslinger
trail anvil
holy, what an effect
it's a lot of mana but 3 burn on each creature your opponent controls dying and a reanimate on yours sounds nuts
last glen
Welcome to Edge just makes me think of the pro wrestler
modern minnow
pyroclasm on standard its so over i feel
lusty trench
Return the slab looking mf
āIt doesnāt know it isnāt realā is a crazy line though
glad peak
Aw that means there are innocent monsters as well
At first I read it as patchwork bestie
lusty trench
Idk ignorant sure but just because heās unaware of his reality doesnāt automatically make him innocent
golden plover
fallow citrus
unless I'm missing something this is mid
glad peak
It is but because of commander the price gonna spike higher than it should
Even if itās $0.01 itās too high
golden plover
It's very mid, but yeah it'll be a commander card for no reason
Get ready for it to be like $15 because "it totally breaks my sliver deck guys"
glad peak
Itās not just mid, itās much worse than mid
golden plover
I mean I guess there's like a deck somewhere that wants it
lusty trench
Worse maskwood nexus
golden plover
I just struggle to figure out where
You probably don't need a conspiracy effect in the first 3 turns or whatever anyways
If you really do, you're playing something AWFUL
glad peak
People are really gonna build around its effect and complain they canāt get any of its similar effects or die when they play it because itās way too late
golden plover
In what situation does everything need a specific type as early as t1?
So we're also just missing the green Leyline now
But it looks like it goes:
-Black
-Red
-White
-Blue
sleek ferry
something is going to break this card
golden plover
I'd be way more inclined to believe Red is gonna get broken than this
This just enables typal synergy
And like... Where do you need that typal synergy t1?
sleek ferry
I kinda feel like the blue and red leylines should have switched effects tbh
golden plover
The white one is cute, it like sorta makes everything into Serra's Ascendants
But the only time I see it being useful is in limited where you can draft it and soul warden
golden plover
Yeah that works I guess. We'll have to see how many rooms are in Esper for you, but I dunno
sudden lava
Have to see more rooms though
glad peak
rooms look like they're going to be bad in commander unless they focus heavily on it in the commander decks
golden plover
Yeah rooms feel very slow for commander
glad peak
unironically the best part about aminatou is the surveil
sudden lava
I'm mostly looking forward to Valgavoth Harrower
btw the ghost vacuum is crime enabler
lusty trench
AMONG U-
sleek ferry
what happens if you make them manifest dread with no cards in their deck?
lusty trench
I assume you just don't
glad peak
i'm more interested in what if there's 1 card, it's just take the top card, right?
twilit canyon
p sure yes
glad peak
because otherwise that might mess up some infinites to mill that may come up
twilit canyon
they can choose though
glad peak
should be
golden plover
Yeah they will be
Also, I just realized you can't play the leader of Valgavoth's cult in either Valgavoth decks in EDH
You can play Valgavoth in his deck if you wanted I guess
last glen
What are the other leylines
Scryfall doesn't have 'em up yet
glad peak
scryfall won't show the correct legality until the set comes out
golden plover
What are the other leylines
Scryfall doesn't have 'em up yet
This is the white one
This is the red one
Black is still [[Leyline of the Void]]
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golden plover
No clue on the green yet
last glen
stupid question
what's the difference between a creature you control
and a creature spell you control
zinc shard
Creature you control means it's on the battlefield
Creature spell means it's on the stack, being cast
last glen
gotcha
hey
If I control the new blue leyline, call dinosaur
Can I add any creature from the top five to my hand with Commune with Dinosaurs
golden plover
Yeah
trail anvil
damn shame we didn't have that blue leyline for the yarg event
golden plover
True, could've made Tatsuniri work
Tried one game with him and immediately switched to Flubs
zinc shard
I played Flubs, kileld someone with Grapeshot and went "I do not have the mental endurance to do this 2 more times"
trail anvil
I felt bad running my monob yargle removal discard pile vs the one tatsunari player in queue
golden plover
I played Flubs with shit like Oracle of the Alpha and all the fast mana in the world in there
Was funny to just vomit 1000 cards every turn
trail anvil
my favorite was yarg and multani aggro
sac a flying or unblockable creature and take out 90% of their health in one go
sac a rankle for even faster kills
gritty nest
Thoughts on the new 13 life lands?
lusty trench
Cute idea, they arenāt good but like theyāre a nice include
twilit canyon
very solid for limited and maybe even standard for some decks
lusty trench
Thereās standard decks thatād want them? Iām not locked into standard
twilit canyon
maybe
it'll depend but any deck that goes long and desperately needs the mana fixing will like them
lusty trench
I can see that yeah, I retract what I said then I like em and they have a niche
Good design
I just realised what impending reminds me of other than suspend
Escape
broken fjord
I like the rare lands quite a bit. Those are going in some decks
golden plover
The fact that it's any player has 13 or less makes the duals a bit better than they initially read
I know like Deaths Shadow isn't dying to fix it's mana base, but hypothetical stuff like that helps
And an aggressive deck would have them on more often than not in the lategame
twilit canyon
I know like Deaths Shadow isn't dying to fix it's mana base, but hypothetical st...
historic maybw
trail anvil
I like the rare lands quite a bit. Those are going in some decks
these read to me like check lands that come in untapped no matter what as a monocolor land
perfect for decks that lean heavier on one color (like the rakdos sellsword in bo1)
like the tainted cycle but works on either land type instead of just swamp
golden plover
Yeah I think their biggest home is in decks looking for a splash
Because I think you'd rather painlands + shocks + fast lands in anything else
The concern is that you don't see the colors you need t2-3
gritty nest
So Iām picking up the zimone precon from Duskmourn, going to be using it to build [[Kadena]]
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gritty nest
This bitch
trail anvil
ig if it has good stuff
trail anvil
Yeah I think their biggest home is in decks looking for a splash
well the biggest problem is the best dual lands in standard rn don't have types
I can't imagine you'd want this in dual colored decks even that run a decent amount of basics
gritty nest
ig if it has good stuff
True, at minimum itāll be a start
gritty nest
The Kaust precon from MKM has some amazing stuff for face-down strategies
trail anvil
isn't toxic more or less an informal bogles deck
polar lake
no, toxic is a informal infect deck
trail anvil
it's also a deck where you protect a small beater over and over
copper pecan
Thoughts on the new 13 life lands?
crazy in pauper
sleek ferry
I think theyāre pretty solid if you play bo1 standard
Mono red/gruul aggro is the most omnipresent deck in bo1
Youāll be at 13 by the end of t2
twilit canyon
bro is just saying names
trail anvil
how are you building it, poison?
strong quartz
Been looking at the reveals for Duskmorn, and honestly its been looking pretty sauceless
stark skiff
Been looking at the reveals for Duskmorn, and honestly its been looking pretty s...
Iām not particularly looking forward to anything revealed yet either
strong quartz
yeah the new titans are cool as well as the leylines and such
but the flavor isn't here
stark skiff
This bitch
Been wondering if a facedown deck could do anything since theyāre pushing it again.
gritty nest
Been wondering if a facedown deck could do anything since theyāre pushing it aga...
[[Kaust]] was the face commander for the MKM precon
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Whenever a creature you control that was turned face up this turn deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
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2/2
gritty nest
He was decent but missing something
I feel like Kadena will do better especially with the new Zimone coming and manifest dread allowing you to dig through your deck
sleek ferry
how are you building it, poison?
I should probably be on 26-27 lands, but I like gambling with 24
trail anvil
4x cease & desist over something like pawpatch?
I feel like it's well positioned vs slower decks, but with those you could probably wait to draw it
also surprised to see only 1 cut down and throat in bo1
sleek ferry
The 4th cease/desist and 4th outrageous robbery are basically place holders for 2 fountainports
Donāt have the wildcards for them
I got baited into coping on a three blind mice deck smh
So I wasted my wildcards
twilit canyon
i'd play three blind mice and caretaker's talent over a lot of cards in this deck
first, up the beanstalk
you dont actually have enough enablers here
no leylines hurt
tear asunder is fine but shouldnt be 3 of atm
2 of sure
buried in the garden is too slow
as is necropsy
cease//desist is good but thats a sb car
*card
virtue is not great status too
robbery is weird its like a poor man's doppelganger
you could be splashing white in the innkeeper combo with vraska
notably missing glissa and aclazotz
dreadknight too
even in a control shell, these cards are insanely good
atomic harness
Thank you misty
last glen
I should probably be on 26-27 lands, but I like gambling with 24
Arena shuffler
low land count never punished
trail anvil
https://preview.redd.it/2nyyerwnlomd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=aa0ecac313dbbd75429873c81...
I wanna unlock an expensive room with this now
atomic harness
Arena shuffler
low land count never punished
Why draw land when you can draw gud cards
twilit canyon
bearer will create many a salty situation in limited
atomic harness
twilit canyon
Why draw land when you can draw gud cards
lands are the good cards
atomic harness
Ohh I see
atomic harness
[[fountainport]]
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atomic harness
Holy...
glad peak
https://preview.redd.it/2nyyerwnlomd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=aa0ecac313dbbd75429873c81...
Wait hold on this facilitates a lot in draft
You still get the effect of āwhen unlockedā
twilit canyon
yea
golden plover
Yeah Keybearer is likely very good in limited
twilit canyon
if rooms are to be good, its off the back of keybearer
golden plover
Issue is seeing a good enough land to justify it
But Keybearer can cheat out like the 7-8 mana rooms
last glen
what's the gossip this time
golden plover
Some LGS made the entry fee for the tournaments that have the Urza's Saga prize $300 but regulars have a "$300 discount on entry fees". They did this to prevent spikes from driving to the LGS to win the sagas and make their regulars feel bad. When a complaint was sent to WoTC they responded "yeah you can make the price for tournament entry whatever you want"
golden plover
what's the gossip this time
Basically WoTC said that the entry fee for a tournament can be whatever and you can effectively make regular only events
Note that the Urza's Saga in question is selling for $300 rn
last glen
hmmmmm
gritty nest
4x cease & desist over something like pawpatch?
What is cease & desist and pawpatch?
trail anvil
[[cease // desist]] [[pawpatch formation]]
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Exile up to two target cards from a single graveyard. Target player gains 2 life and draws a card.
Desist
Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts and enchantments.
Instant
Choose one ā
ā¢ Destroy target creature with flying.
ā¢ Destroy target enchantment.
ā¢ Draw a card. Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
gritty nest
Some LGS made the entry fee for the tournaments that have the Urza's Saga prize ...
Pretty much to stop people driving out, pub stomping, then taking the saga to resell for nothing?
golden plover
Pretty much to stop people driving out, pub stomping, then taking the saga to re...
That was their argument, yeah
golden plover
But like... I don't think as a store owner you get to make that decision
Especially in a smaller town
There might not be another LGS within an hour+ drive
gritty nest
I mean if youāre driving out a few hours for a store championship youāre either exploring new places or doing that scenario
golden plover
I mean, I'm fine with the spikes doing that ngl
This is supposed to be a competitive event at the store
It's literally a tournament
They only did this because the prize this time is a $300 card
gritty nest
I get that, but at the same time, basically being a scalper is still being an asshole
If youāre only ever showing up to get the saga I do not care
golden plover
Note they didn't do this for the standard showdown where [[Ossification]] was the prize
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