Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

still busted

[last glen]

[[Nadu]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/193/nadu-winged-wisdom

Nadu, Winged Wisdom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability triggers only twice each turn."
3/4

[trail anvil]

just in a different way yeah

[golden plover]

HOLY SHIT LMAO

NADU WAS LITERALLY PUSHED FOR COMMANDER SO HARD HE BROKE MODERN

Literally the meme

[trail anvil]

oh @steady onyx you should craft as manu amalia and sorin as possible with the wildcards you have now

[twilit canyon]

no

other way

[trail anvil]

you'll get refunded for the wildcards tomorrow

[twilit canyon]

they realized nadu was broken as all hell in modern (and in commander even more)

og nadu would completely wreck commander in many ways

so they nerfed the card that would have also been broken in modern so as to not create the greatest simic commander

and it still missed

[trail anvil]

tbh I think they expected current nadu to be bonkers in commander but handleable in modern, but forgot to put proper balances on it

[golden plover]

Honestly this does look like pioneer is about to be a lot more interesting tbh

Less oppressive combo in the same 2 decks and with devotion taking a hit, format should be wide open

I'll probably switch back to explorer then ngl, considering I'm sick of playing against one ring and Dimir value piles in timeless

And Ygra combo seemed fun

Also, Timeless needed a show and tell restriction from this list

[modern minnow]

how close are explorer and pioneer now

[golden plover]

Like 80% there

For some reason they still won't give us the last 20%

[last glen]

How much of the 20% is meta-relevant cards

[golden plover]

But ngl, with this list pioneer looks like it's probably the most balanced and fun format

[golden plover]

Maybe 3%?

They could do it in an anthology

But no... Gotta wait for pioneer masters

[last glen]

Probably why they're taking their sweet time with it

[golden plover]

Pioneer isn't rotating and after these hits, it's probably the most open format

[last glen]

When's the alleged Pioneer Masters

Christmas season?

[golden plover]

Supposedly

But they keep saying it's coming

So... Whenever they get off their ass and add the 3% missing cards

I'm definitely switching to pioneer for a bit tho. Format with a lot of variety and no grief/one ring/show and tell sounds great

[last glen]

careful
The Phoenix players will rise up
Or something

Also UW control big stinky

[golden plover]

Phoenix is probably deck to beat now

But pioneer has plenty of ways to answer it

You go "haha hearse"

[last glen]

Maybe the Quint cascade OTKs come back? Format should be a little slower now

[lusty trench]

You got a loicence for dat hearse?

[last glen]

Oh
The... bike deck
With the angelmobile

[golden plover]

Yeah I'll probably grind with greasefang again

Lmao two for two on the meme

Changed because of commander, didn't play test the final result

[last glen]

What's the other one

[golden plover]

Card made for commander in a non-commander set

Also, this is the 5th time they've had a ban over "we didn't play test the final result"

The other 4 being:
-Skullclamp
-JTMS
-Felidar Guardian
-and Oko

Maybe they should realize that changing a card last minute without testing doesn't work

[copper pecan]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/759886961315135488/maros-look-inside-the-house-a-duskmourn-house

https://tenor.com/view/peggle-peggle2-two-e3-meme-gif-15554864

meathook massacre... TWO!

[lusty trench]

“Exile any number of target instant, sorcery, and/or Tamiyo planeswalker cards from your graveyard.”

Hello nashi?

[golden plover]

Is the card literally called Meathook Massacre 2???

What the fuck

[twilit canyon]

yes

i love it

literally the cheesy horror movie sequel

[golden plover]

Weird that it's an Innistrad event tho

[lusty trench]

“Orphans of the Wheat”

Legendary Creature – Rat Ninja Wizard

Oh wow nashi really is back

[copper pecan]

it would be weird for him to not get a card when the plot is about trying to find him

[lusty trench]

Your a wizard nashi

“A modal three mana white mass removal spell”

[sudden lava]

this is rooms for sure

[lusty trench]

They said it wasn’t a new card type though

[sudden lava]

[lusty trench]

What technology do the unsets even use?

Best I can think of is stickers but

[sudden lava]

half cards?

[lusty trench]

Idk if I’d call that technology

[golden plover]

It's probably merge

Or whatever the one from Unstable was

[atomic harness]

I hope that it's good and they dont ban it

meathook was so goated

[lusty trench]

Merging isn’t exactly a technology either, and it’s very similar to meld

[twilit canyon]

i can imagine its another form of killing a mass amount of creatures

but i hope its more indiscriminate and kills all things like artifacts/enchants/walkers

like we mix invoke + meathook in some way

[sudden lava]

Horrorager

[lusty trench]

A 10/1 in blue?

[golden plover]

The Host mechanic

I'd wager it's that on lands

[trail anvil]

A modal three mana white mass removal spell
👀

[sudden lava]

already mentioned, but yeah

[trail anvil]

that prime number reminder text looks kinda ominous lmao

[glad peak]

Original nadu has applications in commander, it’s a great ability even with just the first text

[twilit canyon]

og nadu is very broken in commander and modern in theory

[sudden lava]

This is surely gonna be simic colors

[lusty trench]

Maybe this is the unset technology they’re bringing over?

[golden plover]

Also I like how they keep saying Nadu draws cards, but they were clear enough in design it didn't because if it drew, Bowmasters would kill you

[lusty trench]

As it stands there’s only 3 mechanics I can think of that can be described as “new technology” and one of those is a stretch: attractions, contraptions and stickers

[sudden lava]

this could also be for rooms, maybe unlocking a locked door puts the other effect into play?

[lusty trench]

…wait they could also be referring to “askurza.com”

Or whatever it was

[golden plover]

God if they ever do that in a real set...

[lusty trench]

It could be the idea of making your own horror house which would be like making your own contraption?

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/0tqhkGonGPg

[golden plover]

I highly doubt it's any of the extra deck mechanics

Reminder that the extra deck mechanics are banned in all formats

Because it's a problem to force all players to bring attraction and sticker decks even if they're not running any

[lusty trench]

The issue is then how they define the word technology

Because if it’s broad enough to apply to any new mechanic narrowing it down would be near impossible

[golden plover]

True, but I really hope it's not an extra deck because then they'll have to ban them again lmao

[lusty trench]

They could technically define them as tokens which would move them more in line with dungeons

Because you aren’t forced to show your opponent what tokens you have/if you have any at all

[sleek ferry]

We said this when Karn was banned…

[golden plover]

I mean the difference there was Amalia and Vein Ripper coming out and immediately ruining that

[sleek ferry]

I’m a big fan of pioneer/explorer, but there’s a good amount of cancerous shit in the format

[golden plover]

This time, all the big issues died at once

Meta will shape up new

Also sidenote about the banlist, I think the grief ban is silly... Only because one ring didn't die for the same logic

"There's no one one ring deck thats a problem" but "grief isn't part of a single deck and it's unfun to play against"

[sleek ferry]

One ring doesn’t rip 2 t1

Tor is a perfectly fine card rn

[golden plover]

One Ring is an extra turn spell that draws cards

[sleek ferry]

Grief’s gameplay loop made it unfun

[golden plover]

Card is ridiculously unfun to play against too

Grief feels like shit to play against, but having to take a turn off because the opponent played one ring and they draw 3 cards and then get another ring down feels like shit too

[urban crane]

But considering they banned stickers probably not that

[golden plover]

One Ring is probably one of the least fun cards to play against ngl

[subtle sierra]

A modal three mana white mass removal spell

👁️

[meager isle]

But you see, there isn’t a ring deck so it’s okay

[trail anvil]

• still alive in 2024
• reprinted and color shifted in 2024
  welcome back brotherhood's end

except this time it'll be enchantments

[meager isle]

[[brotherhood’s end]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/128/brotherhoods-end

Brotherhood's End <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Brotherhood's End deals 3 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.
• Destroy all artifacts with mana value 3 or less.
The brothers' rivalry escalated into all-out enmity, and Tocasia paid the price.

[meager isle]

Oh this

I can see it being gy exile

Assuming next set is gy based

[copper pecan]

-1/-1 counters being back makes me happy

[trail anvil]

from what I've seen so far it seems graveyard-ish, but more "dies and comes back instantly" sort of graveyard-ish

[golden plover]

True, clearly not a problem card (until the set stops selling)

Honestly tho, fuck the one ring

[trail anvil]

yeah tbh card is just annoying

[golden plover]

It can even draw into itself so you're not taking burn and you get another turn of protection

[zinc shard]

"We didn't playtest with Nadu's final iteration, as we were too far along in the process, and it shipped as-is."

Ya dont say?

[twilit canyon]

would you rather they have made nadu a total dogshit unplayable rare outside of commander?

like the usual set rare/mythic that sees 0 play in constructed?

[polar lake]

i'd rather wotc not make any direct to modern or commander catered sets at all

[twilit canyon]

thats completely unrealistic at this point

[polar lake]

its clearly not working tho

[golden plover]

I mean, the original design for Nadu was fine

[twilit canyon]

commander cards in standard sets has been a thing since at least 2019

[twilit canyon]

flash permanents is not okay

thats extremely exploitable

[golden plover]

And also, I'd rather a card be bad and unplayable outside of commander with an interesting design than be... Nadu

[twilit canyon]

and the targeting protection too

[golden plover]

I mean [[Seedborn Muse]] is modern legal

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/186/seedborn-muse

Seedborn Muse <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Spirit
Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
"Her voice is the wilderness, savage and pure." —Kamahl, druid acolyte
2/4

[zinc shard]

maybe they shouldn't release a new set every 1-2 months so they actually have time to play test this stuff

[twilit canyon]

hell no

[golden plover]

Nadu would have been too strong

[twilit canyon]

this sucks

[golden plover]

But not as strong as he was now

[twilit canyon]

imagine you crack open an mh set and you pull a rare that will never see modern play

at least nadu was relevant

even if overtuned

[polar lake]

i mean, that's usually the case

[twilit canyon]

that shouldnt be

[golden plover]

Yeah half the rares in the set already don't see play

[polar lake]

^

[twilit canyon]

and you wanted more?

[golden plover]

But at least most of them are interesting for theoretical decks in modern

Stuff like the Eldrazi cards are cool and fun, even if the Eldrazi deck can't compete

[twilit canyon]

like i dont see the logic here

if nadu was weak, mh3 would be getting called commander horizons 3

bc nadu was broken, mh3 was overtuned

[golden plover]

Cool fun cards to draft + some that see eternal play is ideal

[twilit canyon]

and yet it does

eldrazi see play

???

[golden plover]

Imo, MH3 is the closest MH to being a very well balanced set

[polar lake]

what set isnt commander horizons atp tho?

[golden plover]

Outside of the energy stuff and maybe Phlage, definitely Nadu, most of MH3 is really well balanced

[polar lake]

i feel like energy is gonna be the new big boi on the block now that nadu is gone but we'll see

[golden plover]

I mean that's my point. Eldrazi isn't a tiered deck, but it's playable

Cards should be designed to be fun for their deck and playable over intentionally pushing boundaries

[trail anvil]

I'd argue it's all pretty well balanced so far outside of nadu

[golden plover]

I really like all the new affinity tools in MH3. Deck isn't tiered, but it's a lot stronger now

[trail anvil]

the cards were pretty underrated on reveal and seemed to be pretty balanced among themselves

[golden plover]

Energy is definitely a bit overturned but I think MH3 is way more balanced than the previous two

[twilit canyon]

and nadu pushed boundaries they just missed. wotc shouldnt be reprimanded for this. what should be reprimanded was their rush to finish the set that let nadu slip

given maybe another week, nadu would have been fine

[golden plover]

They've done this a lot of times tho

[twilit canyon]

skullclamp, oko, jace, nadu and?

[golden plover]

They keep pushing a card out without playtesting the end result

[twilit canyon]

thats it

[golden plover]

Felidar Guardian

[twilit canyon]

felidar sure

[polar lake]

lol every single MH set atp had at least one banned card

[twilit canyon]

thats 5 cards out thousands

imagine playtesting and balancing about 1k cards a year and missing the mark on 1

[trail anvil]

was felidar combo discovered immediately

[twilit canyon]

yes

[meager isle]

I do find it funny good three mana simic cards tends to get banned

[polar lake]

MH and The One Ring are all mistakes

[twilit canyon]

one ring is fine

[golden plover]

They did explicitly say OBM and One Ring were mistakes

[twilit canyon]

card sees 0 play in legacy and its fine in modern just annoying

[lusty trench]

I’d say felidar was especially egregious because the combo was in the same set

[golden plover]

That's not an argument. State of design says the cards were design mistakes

[trail anvil]

tbh nowadays jace and clamp are in a good spot

[twilit canyon]

obm is a mistake to have been printed outside of modern and legacy

thats it

card's fine in formats with bolt

[polar lake]

how many times has a 1UG cost card ruined a format now?

[trail anvil]

clamp is a great tool for aristocrat decks in commander

[twilit canyon]

clamp is still busted

[twilit canyon]

twice now really

uro can come back

[golden plover]

Oh wait forgot about Hogaak

Three

[polar lake]

Oko?

[twilit canyon]

gaak wasnt rushed

[golden plover]

Oko is banned in EVERY format

[twilit canyon]

oko and nadu

[polar lake]

Oko, Uro, Nadu

[twilit canyon]

uro is bad

[golden plover]

Well not every but most every

[polar lake]

Risen Reef?

[twilit canyon]

it can come off now

reef hasnt broken a format

[trail anvil]

I wouldn't say uro ruined the format compared to the other two, it was just too much

[golden plover]

Also, Gaak wasn't rushed but was explicitly mentioned to have been a commander design

They didn't think he'd see constructed play

[polar lake]

i swear people were bitching about it but i had no issues with risen reef

[twilit canyon]

reef is not that good

[trail anvil]

reef was perfectly fine

[golden plover]

Risen Reef lead to Yorion getting banned in modern

[twilit canyon]

uro is also not broken anymore

[golden plover]

But tbh it is Yorion's fault

And companion as a whole was a design mistake in its original form

[twilit canyon]

yorion lead to yorion being banned

[golden plover]

I guess that counts too

[twilit canyon]

lets not get it twisted

reef was not a real case card that pushed yorion over the edge

[golden plover]

Yorion is the issue yeah, but they specifically mention 4c elementals and the reef triggers in the ban reason

Although if it wasn't reef, it would have been another deck that did the same thing later

[meager isle]

If phlage is fine then uro is fine, the “problem” is burn is unplayable in a meta with them

[twilit canyon]

yea cus ppl are bad at resolving it in a timely matter

[meager isle]

Which is rn

[twilit canyon]

unfort this is not a downside to wotc

burn has long since been a source of total distrust from wotc

at least phlage has been the burn god

but wotc would rather burn turn to prowess

[golden plover]

But yeah, good riddance to Nadu

[subtle sierra]

give me doomskar back

[golden plover]

Fuck that guy

Interesting thing of note in the banlist article too is that they've got their eye on frog in legacy

[trail anvil]

we already have that silly, it's just an enchantment now /s

[twilit canyon]

yeah this was mentioned before

[golden plover]

I wouldn't be surprised if frog dies in the near future ngl

[twilit canyon]

frog is yet another better delver

legacy as a format is incompatible with new cards bc of the sins of old cards

[golden plover]

The fact that it dodges damage based removal and it just end the game randomly? Crazy

[twilit canyon]

blame fow

and daze

same issue as dha

[golden plover]

Whoops couldn't bolt frog and didn't see a fatal push? They'll just discard 3 and exile them to send a 5/6 flier in the air at you gg

[twilit canyon]

but, frog has a weakness that if it cant get in, it sucks

and vs black and white removal, you are cooked (in theory)

we will see how it plays out without grief also setting up perfect frogs

[golden plover]

Issue is that unless it's removed on sight frog also has a good chance of at least replacing itself

If it gets to swing even once you don't lose tempo

[twilit canyon]

you can

cant swing into thalia profitably

always discards 1 and gets cooked by solitude

[golden plover]

True. Well unless it can fly that turn

[twilit canyon]

still gets cooked by solitude

dnt eats frog for breakfast

but dnt cant beat grief scam

[golden plover]

Guess we'll see how it looks now without grief

[trail anvil]

I'm waiting for the next deck to make solitude hit the banlist

[golden plover]

The real question is Solitude or Endurance first?

[fallow citrus]

solitude lol

[golden plover]

Oh it's definitely solitude

I bet Subtlety will win the honors of last evoke standing

[zinc shard]

O-O

[fallow citrus]

it's very likely

subtlety is like only playable in merfolk

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt count on any of them to be banned after this

grief wasnt banned by the numbers

only play patterns

[golden plover]

I can see something breaking solitude down the line

Some cheap/free way to flicker him 3-4 times to eat the whole board or whatever and he's up for going

Toying with this in Pioneer moving forward

I really wanna get this into Jund somehow tho for [[Mayhem Devil]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/199/mayhem-devil

Mayhem Devil <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
Whenever a player sacrifices a permanent, Mayhem Devil deals 1 damage to any target.
Despite their stake in the city's survival, Rakdos cultists are loath to pass up any opportunity to sow chaos.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

nah the card itself is extremely fair

banning solitude endurance subtlety would be big mistakes

[golden plover]

Hmm maybe we don't need Jund for this list?

[meager isle]

You can’t solitude blink t1 like grief

[golden plover]

I do still wanna have access to Mayhem Devil

[meager isle]

Well you can but you won’t

[golden plover]

But I don't know about the splash for just mayhem devil

The idea is solid tho

[glad peak]

You can blink it t1 but it doesn’t kill as fast as furry and it doesn’t rip the hand like grief

Subtlety and endurance at least fly or have a nonboltable butt

[golden plover]

Hmm playing with ratios more

I'll finish the deck when I get the apology WCs tomorrow

But I think this is relatively solid

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/OKt_3oFtiNo

[golden plover]

Okay Ygra combo is fun as hell

"Btw in your end phase you take 20 damage and mill your whole deck"

[golden plover]

I'm not 100% on these ratios

But I think this is the best I'm doing for it rn

[fallow citrus]

https://vxtwitter.com/RhysticStudies/status/1828152296158507021

[gritty nest]

Thoughts on the modern changes?

[twilit canyon]

good overall

somewhat baffling grief went

[golden plover]

One Ring should've gone with it tbh, but not bad

Pioneer changes are awesome tho

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/iwpcq6tmy2ld1.png?auto=webp&s=771b49b17dc33395df228631c87b0d2341fafdbf

[pulsar talon]

He was a good card

I'll miss him

[gritty nest]

Good at stalling out the fucking game

What about those $20 starter precons that aren’t too complicated/throws 20 different mechanics into one deck?

[glad peak]

wouldn't recommend, usually for new players they want to try to win

[trail anvil]

@gritty nest is this for commander or another format

[gritty nest]

Commander

[trail anvil]

how about the dino precon, it's got a pretty simple theme and is very potent out the box

[gritty nest]

Pantlaza?

The reason I was thinking the starter decks was because they’re both cheap, simple, and also one of them is in colors my friend wants to try

[[!Queen Allanal of Radach]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/210/queen-allenal-of-ruadach

Queen Allenal of Ruadach

[last glen]

I looked at the dino precon
stinky mana base but not too stinky I guess
there's a simple gameplan

let me look at it again

[glad peak]

simple but able to win, the magic number people found to get people into any game is 33%

can't remember where it's from tho

[trail anvil]

I don't think starter decks even have 60 cards in them?

unless we're talking about different kinds

[gritty nest]

The commander starter decks

There’s 5

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/starter-commander-decks-decklists-2022-10-20

[sudden lava]

Maybe you could hold off till next month?

In case they like one of the duskmourn commanders

Maybe show them the face commanders which we will have on Saturday

[last glen]

so I looked at the Standard Dino precon

[trail anvil]

huh this is actually better than I thought it would be

[last glen]

it definitely lacks interaction with Artifacts and Enchantments

[trail anvil]

@gritty nest yeah then the selesnya one looks actually solid

[last glen]

absolutely no interaction on that front

[trail anvil]

they do some really simple effects and there are obvious upgrades to be made, but this is actually decent looking as a precon

[last glen]

it has a lot of deal damage effects
maybe too many
I'm not familiar with what the "generics" are in Standard but it's definitely lacking there

[gritty nest]

No

[last glen]

mana base looks slow which is a problem for an aggro deck
but it's a precon so I guess you weren't getting good lands

it's a start to a Dinosaur aggro or midrange strategy

which I guess is the point

[sudden lava]

could at least show them the new ones on Saturday

[last glen]

what fast dual lands are available in standrd

are the shocks in standard

[trail anvil]

nop

fast lands, pain lands

surveil lands and fabled passage exist too but are slower

[gritty nest]

Also I don’t want to sink a shit ton of mana into what is quite literally

Them learning a game they’re getting into

Last time I bought them the sam and Frodo precon for $80 just for them to say they don’t want to use that deck

[last glen]

hmm
okay I guess the dino precon mana base isn't that bad then

[gritty nest]

So starter deck is what they’re getting. I don’t mind modifying it but that’s what they’re starting with this time

[gritty nest]

Overall thumbs up on the Selesnya starter?

[gritty nest]

Oh yea, forgot to mention, I am getting a second precon for my friend as a gift but that’s not the one I want to use for teaching them the game

Dogmeat is who she wants because he reminds her of her dog

[trail anvil]

ye it looks like a great idea

[gritty nest]

Awesome

[trail anvil]

dogmeat is really easy to understand, the only real problem is that he's got an enormous target pointed on his back at all times lol. probably a good way to teach how to keep a voltron commander alive

[gritty nest]

True

It’ll be up to her if she wants to use Dogmeat

She’s getting the deck sealed from me

If that makes sense

[golden plover]

Oh shit I didn't realize we can do full combo off THEIR Ygra

That's funny as fuck go the mirror

[golden plover]

When are the pioneer bans going live? I want my wildcards

[copper pecan]

later today

[lusty trench]

Secret lairs are up in an hour yall

[sudden lava]

👀

[lusty trench]

Hope yall got what you wanted

[golden plover]

Skipped out on this one after spending too much already this month

[lusty trench]

Fair enough, I just got Karlachs

[stark skiff]

They’re easy to buy on the DND website

Secret Lair site is still poop

[lusty trench]

US only

[stark skiff]

Oh just as a heads up lol

Was in a queue for like an hour and I go on the DND site and it was instant lol

[golden plover]

God I love this deck

They can't even remove your Ygra at instant speed because the combo is instant speed

[trail anvil]

well they can but they have to do it while you control no other creatures ig lol

[golden plover]

As long as you've got Ygra and another creature out when you play Ygra you win

I actually think this deck operates on an axis most pioneer decks can't interact with

Because of Scavenger's Talent they can't counterspell you and Ygra can do the combo at instant speed

They've gotta exile the cats on sight

Outside of that, they have to Tidebinder Ygra

This deck also gets it's win in before Phoenix

So I can unironically see this being the deck to beat

This is pretty close to what I want the most to look like

Can't believe I forgot about cavern of souls

[trail anvil]

you think 17 hits are enough for coco?

[golden plover]

CoCo is honestly kinda winmore here

17 is fine because the hits are all high value

I'm tempted to go down to 2 coco and main the other Camelia

But she doesn't advance our wincon, she's a backup plan

I'm not sure what we replace coco with if we cut it

Because I'm not a fan of [[Trail of Crumbs]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/179/trail-of-crumbs

Trail of Crumbs <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When Trail of Crumbs enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Food, you may pay . If you do, look at the top two cards of your library. You may reveal a permanent card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

[golden plover]

I wish we had access to more draw

But I also don't know how I feel about [[Village Rites]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/212/village-rites

Village Rites <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Draw two cards.
The Skelle raise scorn poles in conquered villages—cursed totems of wood and bone that sap survivors of physical strength and the will to fight back.

[lusty trench]

Anyone got any ideas on how to build karlach? I'm thinking tokens go wide with extra combats but people seem to like Voltron karlach/unblockable karlach more

[glad peak]

Depends on the background you can choose but the voltron route is a lot easier to build

Criminal past and cultist of the absolute and flaming fist working with that theme

You can try inspiring hero but she can’t make tokens on her own so you have a pretty massive deckbuilding cost there

[lusty trench]

Yeah I see what you mean, ig I'll try Voltron then

[golden plover]

Oh huh Tidebinder doesn't actually kill us

We just do the combo on the stack before they get to resolve it

It Ygra touches the field we win

[stark skiff]

lol rip the secret lairs like anticipated

Karlach Rage sold out on the DnD site too

[lusty trench]

Astarions one is sold out here too

[golden plover]

Oh fuck we won

[sleek ferry]

[[camellia the seedmiser]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/207/camellia-the-seedmiser

Camellia, the Seedmiser <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Squirrel Warlock
Menace
Other Squirrels you control have menace.
Whenever you sacrifice one or more Foods, create a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token.
, Forage: Put a +1/+1 counter on each other Squirrel you control. (To forage, exile three cards from your graveyard or sacrifice a Food.)
3/3

[golden plover]

Camellia is a backup plan

[sudden lava]

I see you have the man who is up to no good (Cruelclaw)

[rigid scarab]

Amalia ban hm

Might try and grind explorer again

[golden plover]

Play Vore Combo

Deck is too good

[lusty trench]

What's the combo

[trail anvil]

2 witch's familiar + ygra on field is an infinite combo

yooo when did midweek magic become phantom golden sealed, I thought it was momir 👀

this is way better

[lusty trench]

Oh I see so you have both in grave (saccing another creature to get one back)/one on field one in grave and sac them to themselves

[golden plover]

Yup

It does infinite damage and if you've got a [[Scavenger's Talent]] (makes it easier to get to Ygra, it also mills them

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/111/scavengers-talent

Scavenger's Talent <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control die, create a Food token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, target player mills two cards.
: Level 3
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice three other nonland permanents. If you do, return a creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it.

[golden plover]

It's also worth noting this is at instant speed

[golden plover]

Oh my god my opponent is a nazi

How do I report this?

[copper pecan]

https://mtgarena-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025191111-Report-a-Player

[golden plover]

Thanks

They are not subtle about that at all

[copper pecan]

i'm 50/50 on whether they're actually a nazi or if they're some edgy teenager pretending to be one but either way they gotta go

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's crazy they're just named that

[glad peak]

Huh it’s the first time I’ve actually heard of that

Idk why

[golden plover]

On the bright side I 2-0ed them

[waxen timber]

Maybe they were just a big fan of Bartolomeu voyaging to the Cape of Good Hope

[golden plover]

Nah Wotan is some norse shit too

[glad peak]

No I mean it’s the first time I’ve heard of 1488 but honestly I should’ve known

[waxen timber]

Carl Jung's "Essay on Wotan" is nazi propaganda

[golden plover]

Ah yeah makes sense

[glad peak]

Welp turns out one of my old childhood friends is a nazi then.

[waxen timber]

I had a friend who was inducted into nazi ideals. Appartenly he looked into comments on porn sites and fell into the rabbit hole that way. Super akward when the rest of the friend group was either gay or jewish

[gritty nest]

What the fuck?

I came to read about magic not that

[glad peak]

wait wut

all i know is that some of my friends watched jojos that way because they didnt want to pirate

[glad peak]

welp anyways i'm looking to build a pdh deck that can function in a higher efficiency edh table

[trail anvil]

zada

[glad peak]

Ehh it’s a bit weak in both

[stark skiff]

Damn sucks was debating if I was gonna get it

[rigid scarab]

Pioneer players cant go 2 seconds without infinites huh

[golden plover]

This one is fair

[golden plover]

Whew love winning against Boros aggro at 1 life and a food token to their full board of 6 2/2s

Hmm, I'm trying really hard to find a fair wincon we side into in this deck if we can't Ygra combo

Imo, Camelia is not a good card

She's felt very win-more in testing

If we're winning, she makes us win for sure but if we're losing she doesn't do shit

[glad peak]

Yeah I’m trying to get people off camellia and play the alt commander but eh

People gonna do what people do

[meager isle]

@stark skiff looking for any cards before I sell them to tcg player?

[golden plover]

I'm thinking we try [[Tyvar, Jubilant Brawler]] or [[Experimental Connectioner]] in the slot?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/218/tyvar-jubilant-brawler

Tyvar, Jubilant Brawler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tyvar
You may activate abilities of creatures you control as though those creatures had haste.
+1: Untap up to one target creature.
−2: Mill three cards, then you may return a creature card with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Loyalty: 3

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/314/experimental-confectioner

Experimental Confectioner <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Peasant
When Experimental Confectioner enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Food, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with "This creature can't block."
2/3

[golden plover]

Confectioner is a coco hit

[glad peak]

Oh I’m talking about commander lol

[clever sun]

Least ambitious commander player

[last glen]

tbh why are you only allowed legendary creatures as a commander

why can't I use a normal dude

[glad peak]

Tbh no idea

I know pauper you can use any uncommon creature so that’s pretty fun

[lusty trench]

I would say there's too many cards to balance but it's not like they're balancing anything right now as is

I imagine most playgroups would be fine with you using a non legendary as a commander if you asked first

Unless it clearly to do some degen shit

One of my old playgroups has someone rock spore frog as their commander

[hidden ermine]

Originally? Flavour

[golden plover]

My commander is Thassa's Oracle

Also, huh we can play through hearse on the stack

As long as we've got a single extra food/creature we dodge hearse

[hidden ermine]

Nowadays its probably just convenience

[golden plover]

Go Blank seems like our biggest answer then

Not sure how to deal with go blank other than siding in thoughtseizes?

[hidden ermine]

I cant think of any non-legendaries that would be broken as commanders off the top of my head

[golden plover]

Dockside could be fucky

[glad peak]

Funny enough thoracle’s not good as a commander lol

[hidden ermine]

My only idea would be something like risen reef

[glad peak]

Mono blue cant really combo kill with her and best case scenario is 1 card combo with that one card I forgot the name of but there’s only one of its type

I think risen reef can be done in pdh

[golden plover]

Yeah Thoracle as a commander would be fine

[hidden ermine]

But even then

Is Risen Reef really better than that one simic legendary?

Kinnan

[glad peak]

Not by a long shot

[golden plover]

Definitely not

[hidden ermine]

Yeah

Seems safe enough then?

[golden plover]

I gotta stop making minor changes

Not sure what else to change

I think CoCo is our weakest link now

[glad peak]

It’s safe since it’s an arbitrary rule

The only issue I see is if wotc starts designing non-legends for commander

[golden plover]

I mean they're already doing that

[glad peak]

Yep but designing them to be commanders lol

[golden plover]

True

I mean they already do that with commanders too tho

[stark skiff]

pm me what you have

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/f7dixgy46fld1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=a54244011067c205a6eefff8c6db275ce367fd9a

[twilit canyon]

none of the ring decks are good

why didnt they ban it like grief? are they stupid?

[sleek ferry]

Thinking most of these decks are good because of ToR is dumb

[twilit canyon]

these decks arent good

(not a meme)

jeskai control was only good into nadu

it has pretty poor match ups into the rest of the field

boros energy at best, played 2 rings for the mirror

the card was dead outside of it

mono black scam also didnt always play the ring

its 50/50 on if it did

with the better builds not running it

so out of everything, tron, titan, and jeskai all play ring

shit decks ultimately

[trail anvil]

is ruby storm decent I just want to offload my rals

[twilit canyon]

its supe rmid

[fallow citrus]

it's cool tho

[sleek ferry]

It’s fun yeah

Eldrazi is going to go pretty crazy post banlist btw

[pulsar talon]

So

How's simic in modern post list?

[twilit canyon]

simic what

[sleek ferry]

He wants simic anything

[lusty trench]

Maro on the nadu situation: "Us considering the casual ramifications of a card that we didn’t feel was competitively viable is not what broke the card. Us missing the interaction with a component of the game we consider broken and have stopped doing (0 cost activations), but still lives on in older formats is the cause."

This makes sense to me, of course an uncommon from all the way back in kamigawa was going to slip through the cracks... Up until bristly bill

[sleek ferry]

Shuko should be banned

[lusty trench]

I feel like if it's going to cause future design problems I agree, but I doubt they'll repeat this error any time soon due to how bad this mess up was

[pulsar talon]

Doesnt matter as long as it plays U and G cards

[lusty trench]

A lot of decks didn't run bristly bill and if they did it was a one off iirc so I think the reasoning is sound

[meager isle]

anytime simic gets good it gets banned smh

[lusty trench]

I think the reason people are upset is because this is the second time a modern horizons set has done something like this to this degree, but it's not something that can realistically be fixed without expanding play testing time majorly as having to keep an eye on niche interactions in a game as old as magic is an insane task

And even then it's if they manage to realise the issue in that time

[golden plover]

I think the whole "we designed this card around commander" didn't help either tbh

What's really funny is that Hogaak and Nadu were legal for the exact same amount of time

[lusty trench]

Apparently you can get raised foils in bloomburrow commander deck sample packs

Neat

[golden plover]

You've been able to do it ever since the change

Knew a guy who got a serialized Urabrask from a MOM deck

[sleek ferry]

The sample packs were a nice added touch to commander decks

[gritty nest]

I’m thinking of getting one of the doctor who precons

[atomic harness]

Sigh son thugs told me it was broken

[trail anvil]

[twilit canyon]

thugs misleading

[trail anvil]

god I'm either taking mana reflection out of omo, or rule zeroing myself to never copy it. it's insanely synergistic with her but the amount of math and solitaire I do when I copy it is so annoying lol

[atomic harness]

I miss my opps mulling then double grief turn 1

It's scamover

[twilit canyon]

imagine becoming mid for almost a year and still getting banned cus ur toxic

[atomic harness]

Oh did you see the gaak vs Badu match it was very sad

[twilit canyon]

no

[atomic harness]

||he got enduranced thrice||

[twilit canyon]

lol

not surprising tho

modern now has actual interaction

[atomic harness]

oh do you know by any chance what caused the saga limit

[twilit canyon]

the 2 most played cards in vintage?

by a lot?/

[atomic harness]

naruhodo

[glad peak]

Saga in vintage was a weird thing not to instantly hit

[golden plover]

Considering the amount of 0-1 mana artifacts, yeah

It can grab lotus there

[golden plover]

I lied, we're making more changes

How the fuck did I forget to put [[Grisly Salvage]] in this

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/215/grisly-salvage

Grisly Salvage <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Reveal the top five cards of your library. You may put a creature or land card from among them into your hand. Put the rest into your graveyard.
To the Golgari, anything buried is treasure.

[lusty trench]

HATSUNE JINKU?? https://x.com/zero_contxt/status/1828701565844336894?s=46

Jin-Gitaxias #5 Hater (@zero_contxt) on X

New Phyrexia Miku

Twitter · Aug 28, 2024, 7:50 AM

[trail anvil]

TIL this is explorer legal

[golden plover]

Yeah Greasefang runs it too

Anything where you want specific pieces in the graveyard likes it

We're also only on 20 lands in this deck, so Grisly Salvage helps deal with that too

And sometimes [[Diabolic Intent]] is dead because they've killed all your guys

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/89/diabolic-intent

Diabolic Intent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.
Gix pierced his disciples' minds and savored their experiences as he took in their knowledge.

[golden plover]

Only downside is that we can't get Talent or guarantee a ygra off salvage

[steady onyx]

what colour sleeves for mary read and anne bonny commander deck

I was thinking red?

[golden plover]

Pioneer is healing

Also, format is WIDE open for vore combo

Phoenix and Waste Not are free wins, Wizards isn't hard to win, and Rakdos can't hurt us

Boros Convoke and Mono-White Humans are our two worst matchups tho

I'm growing on [[Cry of Carnarium]] to answer them

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/70/cry-of-the-carnarium

Cry of the Carnarium <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
All creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn. Exile all creature cards in all graveyards that were put there from the battlefield this turn. If a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
If your ears bleed, it's a party. If your eyes bleed, it's a Rakdos party.

[golden plover]

But issue is we can't let our cat go to the graveyard that turn

Has to already be in the grave and can't come back that turn just in case

[last glen]

!vore

[twilit canyon]

phoenix absolutely will wreck any deck in this format besides mono-green

[golden plover]

Phoenix races vore

They're trying to get the kill on 4

[twilit canyon]

and phoenix wins that race 90% of the time

[golden plover]

We either have the kill on 4 or 5

It's a fairly even matchup

[twilit canyon]

i dont agree

i think it may be even againt mediocre or bad phoenix players

and post-board your game vs them gets way worse

[golden plover]

We're also both graveyard heavy and we can side in go blank and cry

They can't side as efficiently, hearse is the best answer in their colors

[twilit canyon]

they dont need to. they will punish your gy hate with crackling drakes and leveraging ledger shredders

like, phoenix was and will remain the best deck in pioneer

sorin and amalia were holding phoenix in check even a bit

but it was still agreed that the best deck was phoenix

[golden plover]

Phoenix is strong, but I'd say our matchup is pretty 50/50

[twilit canyon]

and they killed its 2 worst match ups

people have been playing hard into gy hate and phoenix still ate the format up the last few major events

[golden plover]

Yeah, there's a ton of graveyard hate rn, but I do think we can combo off at roughly the same speed as Phoenix

[twilit canyon]

thats the problem tho whats ur fair plan

[golden plover]

And our combo is less interactive, there's very few points they can respond

[twilit canyon]

phoenix's fair plan is way better

[golden plover]

Our fair plan is Ygra

It's definitely a better fair plan

[twilit canyon]

[[ygra]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “ygra”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

isnt ygra a 6 drop

[golden plover]

[[Ygra, Eater of All]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/241/ygra-eater-of-all

Ygra, Eater of All <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Cat
Ward—Sacrifice a Food.
Other creatures are Food artifacts in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this permanent: You gain 3 life."
Whenever a Food is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put two +1/+1 counters on Ygra, Eater of All.
6/6

[twilit canyon]

5 drop

[golden plover]

Ygra is 5

[twilit canyon]

yea this isnt a fair plan

its losing to good decks

[golden plover]

We run goose and the treasure draw one

He comes down on 4

[twilit canyon]

thats not great tho

[golden plover]

I mean, ideally he comes down and we win

[twilit canyon]

why cast ygra on 4 when playing a fair deck vs sheoldred

but how likely is that?

[golden plover]

Most of the time

[twilit canyon]

the ygra combo is really not great

it requires some very specific pieces

[golden plover]

Especially with scavenger's talent

[twilit canyon]

and it plays a ton of dead cards

[golden plover]

It only requires Ygra and 2 cats in the grave

It's more or less on par with greasefang for pieces

[twilit canyon]

ygra + 2 cats in your top 20 cards

yeah and greasefang is bad

like, pioneer hasnt been so slow and durdly that ygra as a combo has an easy time

at best, its the 2nd or 3rd best combo deck from the graveyard in the format

thats the worst spot to be in

because a ton of ppl are playing gy hate for phoenix

and needing 3 specific cards to combo off, 2 of them being the same cards

and playing nothing proactive to win the game in a fair way beforehand

this isnt sounding good at all

[golden plover]

I've considered the fair options. I was considering Camelia but the card doesn't win me games

[twilit canyon]

this deck doesnt sound like it wins games well either

[golden plover]

It's been winning the vast majority of my matches rn

[twilit canyon]

the reason phoenix is so busted is that the fair plan + phoenix plan are like

[golden plover]

Both main combo lines can't be interacted with once they start

[twilit canyon]

one and the same

[twilit canyon]

is this actually true? if you just have ygra, 1 cat in grave, and 1 cat in play

isnt this beatable?

multiple ways too

[golden plover]

They can't stop you since it's at instant speed

[twilit canyon]

how

sac cat

trigger on the sack

exile both cats in gy

what now

[golden plover]

We usually keep a food around for the Hearse trigger if they've got it

[twilit canyon]

then thats way more than just ygra + 2 cats

thats ygra, 2 cats, and food generation cards

so how's that going to go?

plus hearse isnt the only grave hate

rip is popular

they printed a really solid grave hate card recently

ygra also has poor protection

[golden plover]

We've gotta side for RIP and others, but they're not maining those

We can pick your poison it before combo starts

[twilit canyon]

this is all so slow overall

[golden plover]

Ygra's protection is fine considering the combo is at instant speed

And about half the time we're getting to Ygra t3-4 off Scavenger's Talent

[twilit canyon]

that doesnt sound like enough though. then you need to get the cats in the yard, activating the scavengers with no interaction, hoping your dorks survive

and again, 2 cats

a ton of moving pieces, 2 repeat cards, no real way to tutor for anything easily, and fragile lines

and worst of all, nothing outside of that so your opponents dont have to worry about losing to a fair plan

[golden plover]

It depends on the matchup, but I don't think it's as fragile as you're describing it

We would need a better fair plan, but the combo is guaranteed to kill them if it starts and there's 0 room for interruption

[twilit canyon]

im thinking about something like azorius control or mono-green

or phoenix

what are you threatening phoenix when things go neutral between the 2 decks?

you both have some big grave hate in play and they play crackling drake with a 3/5 ledger

[golden plover]

We run cavern of souls to deal with control. They can't hit Ygra off vacant or they cant counterspell it if it comes in from scavenger's talent

We run a decent bit of removal, since our game plan is mostly just the combo

Phoenix struggles to take pieces out of play, since it's not on black

[twilit canyon]

phoenix doesnt care enough about removing your board pieces besides what would be strictly necessary

they shock your dorks

but past that, what else

it really is also not rare that control maindecks hallowed moonlight thanks to phoenix i see

[golden plover]

I mean, that's why Phoenix is the race. They either keep our dorks dead and kill us before Ygra or they lose

[twilit canyon]

thats not a hard ask

they play a ton of cheap removal that plays to their game plan

like, let me put it into perspective here. why would i ramp to ygra and try and combo kill from the graveyard when mono-green is doing more than enough to kill with stuff like cavaliers and oddities making like 6+ mana on turns 3/4

[lusty trench]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8977611/karlach

I tried

[zinc shard]

https://edhpowerlevel.com/

[glad peak]

iirc any attempt to do this hasn't been great

one attempt called full power magda a level 6

[golden plover]

Do I win?

Wait actually

Stax gets a 4.9

[twilit canyon]

somehow more efficient than ukkima cazur

[golden plover]

This is Ghen, this is not even the most efficient stax lis

[golden plover]

Elsha was the first one

[zinc shard]

for reference my $50 Dina deck got a 7/10

[golden plover]

But I think this just picks based on random cards ngl

Like if you have specific "good cards" it does that

[twilit canyon]

this is clearly a tool made to tell the creator's friend "see? my child of alara deck you guys hate is a 6/10"

[golden plover]

Lmao true

I do like that it just doesn't bother rating stax

[twilit canyon]

oh nvm this one is just rating basically how much mana it goes by really

cus its low rating some cedh commanders and high ranking established ones

it absolutely puts infinite amount of power on mana generation

[stark skiff]

Guessing it does but wanted to make sure does Maze Of Ith trigger ward?

[trail anvil]

[[raffine, scheming seer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/213/raffine-scheming-seer

Raffine, Scheming Seer <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4

[trail anvil]

yes it works for both spells and abilities

I pulled up the wrong card this has no reminder text because it needs to explain connive lmao

[glad peak]

yeah the power level site isn't good lmao

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/du5y5p8yurld1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=e5439b8c8e613fee8a66f8a9d96958ad389bb792

@lusty trench You called this right?

[lusty trench]

Damn that's sick

[golden plover]

Minsc and Boo is the rare bonus card for the DnD lairs

Really good art, but I'm sure he'll be like $50

So the bonus cards are: Dark Deal (guaranteed for the Monster Manual Lair), Battle Angels of Tyr, Archivist of Ogma, Xorn, Druid of Purification, Prosperous Innkeeper, and Minsc and Boo (rare)

[modern minnow]

Unironically less useful than the joke one that always spits out 7

[golden plover]

That one doesn't say that my worst cedh deck has infinite impact tho

So this one is funnier

[golden plover]

Played through 2 trespassers and 2 go blanks, last cauldron familiar was literally the last card in the deck

[stark skiff]

Wow this is sick

[golden plover]

I like how in the last story, Valgavoth is sending people to Innistrad as a "punishment". That's probably a nice break for the Duskmorn natives

I think this will be our "exile any number of instants, sorceries, or Tamiyo Planeswalkers" card

[lusty trench]

I'll post what bonus card I get, but I'd be happy with anything but prosperous inkeeper

[golden plover]

I love how they introduced Loot two sets ago, did nothing with him, and now expect us to care hes been kidnapped

Hope Valgavoth eats him

[last glen]

did they put him in a box

[golden plover]

Booo

But yeah, Valgavoth has Loot now

Which is theoretically very bad

But also, who the fuck cares about Loot

[lusty trench]

Jace you had your son for 5 god damn minutes how is he already kidnapped

[copper pecan]

not the scrimblo

[golden plover]

Not sure why he took his son with him to the murder horror kidnap plane to go fight the demon anyways

He can still Planeswalk

[subtle sierra]

my dearest rrat...

[golden plover]

Just leave Loot with his mom while you go deal with it

[lusty trench]

I probably wouldn’t leave a child alone with vraska

Just drop him off at his mums

[golden plover]

I swear if this is all part of Jace's master plan and he secretly uses this to unite the multiverse or some stupid shit I'll be annoyed

Hate when writers go "Oh this was part of my master plan all along" with random shit the characters very obviously wouldn't expect

[glad peak]

i'm glad jace is the bad guy again but is there a reason?

other than fatherhood lol

[golden plover]

He keeps saying ominous stuff about fixing the multiverse

But I dunno

[stark skiff]

Why? He’s just a mansion owner

[golden plover]

True

[lusty trench]

landlord detected

[glad peak]

Inb4 Jace was mind controlled and won’t take responsibility for any of his actions again

[lusty trench]

To be fair it’s Jace his ass isn’t taking responsibility for anything

Controlled or not

[glad peak]

True he’ll probably just wipe his mind, leave vraska and his son, and become a hermit on vacation for about a year before coming back

[golden plover]

Especially after his villain arc

They'll beat him up, and he'll get amnesia again

[glad peak]

At this point he should just pretend to have amnesia to do whatever he wants

For a mind mage he sure does get his mind broken a lot

[golden plover]

He really does

He kinda sucks at his job

[lusty trench]

Has Jace actually ever done anything on his own without being completely dog walked first

[glad peak]

He used to

He took down tezzeret in ravnica

With little trouble iirc, just wanted to work there

[lusty trench]

I hate how I look at tezzeret now and just think "that's bolas' servant boy right there"

Man has done nothing interesting since yoinking the planar bridge in kaladesh

[glad peak]

Yea he was still the servant boy but he was at least competent

[golden plover]

He just kinda moves to the highest bidder

He moved to Phyrexia and then he's doing... Whatever now

Tezzeret is a cool character, shame he's wasted

[polar lake]

just saw someone complain on facebook that wotc doesn't care about "investors" cause the existence of banlists is ruining their "investment"

investbros never fail to amuse me

[copper pecan]

this is a card game

[glad peak]

The next generation of computer science majors are cooked

[copper pecan]

not the stock market

if you want an investment don't invest in trading cards

[glad peak]

My friend works there and all he hears about is how they think they’re going to break the stock market, crypto, or make money in tcg investing with their rudimentary models

They don’t even know anything about business

[copper pecan]

if it was that easy then someone else would have already done it

[glad peak]

Exactly

Even I could build a more accurate model for them and I don’t program much

Embarrassing for dedicated comp sci people

[polar lake]

i really wanna switch majors but im already in too fucking deep

[glad peak]

Just learn how to process data and learn what you can do it with and what plans you can come up with and you’ll be fine

Legit you don’t need more than excel a lot of times so you’re gonna have an advantage if you can learn more specialized languages

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1279173224176812114/wotc-posted-the-uncensored-precon-commanders-on-reddit-this-v0-tx94j20b0vld1.webp?ex=66d37a66&is=66d228e6&hm=302d4ec5b21599dcaf4ec4a957c5d0d0552d74ca548bdf0e86d47fad10844b7c&=&format=webp&width=577&height=577

clearer image of the faces

the reduction on Aminatao is one (and Valgavoth Harrower of Souls is not 9 cmc its 4 cmc)

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/HDYB6o8gu4U?si=R1pw5QN8G6JPvKQt

[golden plover]

Damn Valgavoth for 4 CMC does not feel right

Considering he's the entire house

Also that does confirm that Zimone has Landfall

[lusty trench]

Man my partners brother went to a store championship hoping to get the saga, he came second

Not because he did worse than his opponent

He opened beza, caretakers and gathering

…he lost on opponents win rate

Getting fucked by the matchmaking system sucks

[twilit canyon]

and he came 2nd with that? skill issue im afraid

[lusty trench]

should’ve just been matched with better opponents

He did get a promo pack sheoldred apocalypse though so it’s a good second place prize

[gritty nest]

My friend played Mycosynth lattice on turn 5. I asked him to not cast it and I won’t cast a card in response, he said no

I overloaded [[Vandalblast]] in response

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/183/vandalblast

Vandalblast <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target artifact you don't control.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
Beauty is in the eye of the exploder.

[steady onyx]

l m a o

[gritty nest]

Was it worth?

[sudden lava]

at least he's not 9 mana, hopefully I like his abilities cuz he's probably the one I'm picking up

[trail anvil]

deserved tbh

[steady onyx]

Am I correct in saying lord high is unreasonable for a budget deck as you want cards like winter orb and static orb which are like 30$ each?

[lusty trench]

You don’t have to build him like that

In fact casual players are hostile towards lord high players because of the lockdown strategy

[steady onyx]

yes however since people are hostile

if I legitmately wanted to play him I would need to bring a good deck since no matter what

people would be hard targeting me

right?

[lusty trench]

I feel like people would just choose not to play against it in that scenario

[steady onyx]

idk

my thought was I could like take my beatdown artifiact deck and change it a little bit from esper to mono blue and swap commander so I could play a diff style of artifacts

but I really dont know if that is viable / realisitc

[lusty trench]

It’s fine in that scenario, just say you’re playing urza as artifact beatdown and not stax

[steady onyx]

ok

hmm

but than would it be reasonable to build lord high on a budget?

without the stuff like winter orb and static orb?

[lusty trench]

Yeah just run cheap good artifact synergies

[steady onyx]

ok

what is a wincon I could have

since I will not relaiably be able to have beatdown

with lord high

i would need some sort of combo than??

[glad peak]

dramatic scepter, yep

also breaker horror + mana positive rocks

for breaker horror + urza you bounce all nonland permanents and then bounce horror to be a counterspell and then either make a huge board or you find a way to draw the entire deck and then thoracle (not really needed)

[steady onyx]

after I get infinite would I just play my deck with urza than just attack?

or something else

[glad peak]

You can fish for hullbreaker and then play the entire deck, bouncing thoracle at the end and then play thoracle to win

But that’s not the best version iirc

It’s good enough to win a good number if you don’t get focused down

[steady onyx]

i was trying to go for a more budget is there a wincon without thorcale?

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zSsY92x5q0yoY704VPopyw

i kinda just threw cards in a deck

and got to this

which is just a mess I think

im at 121 cards

and 11 lands

mabye I should just try to find a list

instead of trying to build something

😅

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vyqhEtfLyUSDltUfNsxyGg
does somethign like this look good? wincon would just be temporal fissure all opponents lands to hand ig

[glad peak]

I guess if you’re really hurting for a wincon you can play brain freeze

[broken fjord]

Chromehost Seedshark is probably a good include in that Urza list

[sudden lava]

so ready for tomorrow afternoon

[broken fjord]

If you want a win that doesn't rely on Temporal, then Cyberdrive Awakener is probably a nice way to close out games.

[glad peak]

[[cyberdrive awakener]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/12/cyberdrive-awakener

Cyberdrive Awakener <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Flying
Other artifact creatures you control have flying.
When Cyberdrive Awakener enters, until end of turn, each noncreature artifact you control becomes an artifact creature with base power and toughness 4/4.
4/4

[glad peak]

You can also just loop nexus of fate lol

Also I think you forgot scepter in that deck

[broken fjord]

Nexus loops are kinda boring for many, and it seems like they're not expecting to play with high power players.

[glad peak]

Eh if you’re going to hullbreaker or drama scepter loop you should at least have a kill on hand

[broken fjord]

I was under the impression Dramatic Scepter loops have been phased out for the most part

[trail anvil]

is there a reason you wanna go with that urza in particular? @steady onyx

cause at a casual table that commander will get you hunted lol

[broken fjord]

Yeah, it's very hated. Even though it's not quite the threat it once was.

[granite badge]

yeah urza in general is p popular

doesn't he have a handful of infinites by himself

[glad peak]

Dramatic scepter loops have been phased out in higher powers, it’s still playable in this case for this sort of deck

[broken fjord]

They keep printing more powerful interaction against artifacts, and enchantments. Red got a nice split second one in MH3.

[glad peak]

True but that assumes people are playing a lot of it and that they’re not using it on any of your other pieces

Because otherwise you’re saying all artifact decks can’t play because there’s better interaction

[broken fjord]

No, more of an observation why it's not favored in high power anymore

[glad peak]

It’s not favored in high power because it requires a lot more pieces than newer toys

And because it’s easier to interact with, yep

[broken fjord]

Currently working on making my Master, Formed Anew deck into something decent. Hard to brew up stuff, since there are so many options. It's also Duel Commander compatible, since I don't want to have to swap stuff out. Locals are picking the format up again.

[steady onyx]

i really like him

like every time i play my other ur a deck

i want him out

and i really wanna play a deck with him as commander

[broken fjord]

[[The Master, Formed Anew]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/143/the-master-formed-anew

The Master, Formed Anew <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Rogue
Body Thief — When you cast this spell, you may exile a creature you control and put a takeover counter on it.
You may have The Master, Formed Anew enter as a copy of a creature card in exile with a takeover counter on it.
0/1

[broken fjord]

He's really neat. Legit secret commander deck.

I'm just not sure what direction to go with him.

[broken fjord]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QjzSMuuHGEClBV2_fOs7qg

If anyone has any suggestions, I'm up for it. It's still in the process of being modified, but I don't really have a solid idea on what to focus on.

[stark skiff]

does Infect work with effect damage a creature might cause?

[zinc shard]

yes, Infect works with any damage

[stark skiff]

oh okay. saw a couple infect granting cards in some Wick lists. Makes sense now.

[sudden lava]

its also why Shao Jun runs infect stuff

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9aa64374-0693-47c9-8b69-56def3817b14.jpg?1562820790

[steady onyx]

some real bullshit with shadow heart

i got estrids invocation to copy virtue of knowledge than glasspool mimic to copy tomb of horrors advenuu the red and get copied twice

[sudden lava]

Apparently room teaser was posted on twitter or something

[steady onyx]

so if i venture as second spell
i get 8 copies so i venture 24 + 3 so 27 times

and each is doubled

because of delver

i was so happy it worked

[lusty trench]

My only issue with this is memory but it's not that bad tbh

[sudden lava]

Use a dice to track it

[lusty trench]

I'm happy with this mechanic

[lusty trench]

They'll likely make a token to place over a locked room

Back of any card works too

[sudden lava]

||that works to, though if I'm reading this right you get both sides once you unlock the second room? Like you just pay for 1 at first and then the other later||

||So basically it's class enchantments but you choose the order you get the abilities?||

[lusty trench]

||yeah, you pick what you want first and unlock the other later as a sorcery whenever you want||

It's a very well self-contained mechanic

[sudden lava]

I like it

[fallow citrus]

interesting mechanic but that's another card you need to track which side you cast

[sudden lava]

Until you ||unlock the other side||

[fallow citrus]

well yeah

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWP5LCLXYAIkLps?format=jpg&name=medium

art from the twitter

[sudden lava]

stream started

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1279549108394262638/image.png?ex=66d4d878&is=66d386f8&hm=dc5f161deeccdfaa339f4b7f46b1cd79dd241ac81527c29094e55672af688430&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=419&height=577

ninjitsu

[broken fjord]

Pretty strong effect, but boy is 6bbb pretty brutal to cast.

[granite badge]

honestly like the play pattern here

[sudden lava]

learn your prime numbers

not gonna post all

[last glen]

Is the list of numbers on the card comprehensive for Magic's definition of "prime number"?

[trail anvil]

wait that's just annoying lol

[steady onyx]

how quickly can u get 7? are there even 7?

[trail anvil]

that "everyone draws" effect is done way better than usual though

[trail anvil]

creature artifact enchantment instant sorcery land battle planeswalker

so 8

[steady onyx]

how quickly can you get all?

[twilit canyon]

trivial

[steady onyx]

wow

that's rude

[twilit canyon]

its just annoying

not good

[steady onyx]

ok

[twilit canyon]

kaito reads good though

[trail anvil]

emblem on plus feels like crazy value

alchemy ass card

[steady onyx]

why are you saying alchemy

is there something with alemchey

that makes cards stronger?

[trail anvil]

alchemy cards are typically ones that have a crazy amount of value over time

[steady onyx]

why just curious

[twilit canyon]

its moreso they are designed to be able to be ran going 1st or 2nd

[steady onyx]

ah i see

[twilit canyon]

alchemy has mostly solved the play/draw disparity

as a result, a lot of cards just become stronger late game

[steady onyx]

that's really cool

[trail anvil]

stuff like perpetually granting stuff, value out the gy too

[twilit canyon]

but, they also push aggro a ton