Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

bauble is super unreliable

this is a format with very cheap and good artifact removal

[golden plover]

I mean Bauble is supposed to just buy you the early turns

I dunno what the side for beans looks like, haven't seen it much lately

[twilit canyon]

you dont want to buy the early turns

thats their weakest

[golden plover]

But if something like show and tell tries to haywire your bauble, you pop it and draw a card

[twilit canyon]

you want to bury them and never let them set up

[golden plover]

Although show and tell really shouldn't be trying to haywire your bauble

[twilit canyon]

like [[pick your poison]] is legal and extremely good

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/170/pick-your-poison

Pick Your Poison <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices an artifact.
• Each opponent sacrifices an enchantment.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature with flying.
A reliable, general-purpose toxin is a handy way to save on belt space.

[golden plover]

They should be on veil of summer

[twilit canyon]

no they dont need to

bc show and tell is on [[shifting woodlands]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/228/shifting-woodland

Shifting Woodland

Land
Shifting Woodland enters tapped unless you control a Forest.
: Add .
Delirium — : Shifting Woodland becomes a copy of target permanent card in your graveyard until end of turn. Activate only if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard.

[twilit canyon]

they dont cast anything anymore

they just cast it from gy

and kill you from there

[golden plover]

Nah, Veil is just better to prevent them stopping you from show and telling

[twilit canyon]

"cast"

you dont need to

[golden plover]

Veil hits the counterspell first

[twilit canyon]

you just shifting woodlands

they dont get a chance to counter

[golden plover]

And then they can ignore a cheated in bauble

Wait how is Show and Tell using Shifting half the time

[twilit canyon]

about 100% of the time generally

[golden plover]

Outside of the surveil lands, they're not getting much into the grave

[twilit canyon]

they are

[golden plover]

And they're also digging through time a lot

[twilit canyon]

[[malevolent rumblings]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/161/malevolent-rumble

Malevolent Rumble <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Reveal the top four cards of your library. You may put a permanent card from among them into your hand. Put the rest into your graveyard. Create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
What emerged from Turntimber was even more twisted than the forest itself.

[golden plover]

Stuff doesn't stay in their grave long

[twilit canyon]

and a couple of other cards they are playing nowdays

[golden plover]

I have literally never seen show and tell playing this

Well I've seen it like twice

[twilit canyon]

i think theres a meta difference between budget and proper timeless

[golden plover]

I mean, I'm currently diamond 1. Most decks I'm up against feel fully optimized here

About half the opponents I'm on are in mythic and they're playing full power lists

[twilit canyon]

then 1st, you should be seeing mostly the classic, eldrazi, or the woodland snt lists

2nd, boros energy should also be gapping in popularity

some ub lists are on lurrus

they are proving to be facing too much an uphill battle vs everything else

[golden plover]

I'm seeing Boros energy, but I'm thinking the rise in Dimir Frog is making it drop

[twilit canyon]

mardu energy is good too but theres really nothing pushing you towards mardu too much

[golden plover]

Frog is a tough matchup for Energy tbh

[twilit canyon]

its the opposite

bc frog is really bad vs exile effects

and you cannot favorably make galvanic miss frog

without investing a ton of resources

and they get on the board faster than you

[golden plover]

I think Mardu has a slightly better chance. Considering it gets to run obm and nightmare for when they eat your Lurrus

[twilit canyon]

obm is awkward in the meta

great but awkward

[golden plover]

Frog dodging removal is honestly huge rn tbh

[twilit canyon]

i went on a tear with the nightmare builds

it just isnt so much better than pure boros

[golden plover]

Tempo is fine dropping like 2-3 cards to keep frog around when it's gonna draw them back off frog and bauble

[twilit canyon]

except you dont drop 2-3 cards

you drop 5-6

and sometimes u cant do that

[golden plover]

I mean, one galvanic won't kill frog because they've just gotta discard 2

[twilit canyon]

lol

the reason ppl are complaining about galvanic

[golden plover]

Bolt doesn't kill frog at all realistically

[twilit canyon]

is that its red swords to plowshares

in the deck, its impossible to not have it kill whatever u want

you gotta discard at least 4 cards to survive and average galvanic

and if you are behind you cannot do that

cus they gum up the board and they have too much tempo on you

[golden plover]

I mean, if you're getting counterspelled and losing your guides/raptors on sight you don't have enough mana to dump 6 into frog

[twilit canyon]

but you cant do that and deploy frog

not without grief

but grief loses to phlage

[golden plover]

I mean if you just fatal push guide t1 and hold interaction T2 you can drop frog t3 and just keep going

[twilit canyon]

why would they need to play into it though? they have enough threats at instant speed and their removal is just as efficient and can play a game of chicken with you

but then you're falling behind

bc they will play more lands than you generally and will be able to cast their stuff past your counters since you are needing to counter or trade even

and thats not what tempo wants

[golden plover]

Dimir isn't putting as much stuff on the board unless they can guarantee they it'll stick or at least trade

[twilit canyon]

so then you fall behind

[golden plover]

They're holding interaction until they can get it going

[twilit canyon]

but thats never going to save you vs their way more efficient threats

the best case scenario is you are playing jeskai energy

and they are on mockingbird

[golden plover]

What? Jeskai Control is way worse than Dimir

[twilit canyon]

no

thats the point

you are playing vs jeskai energy

the boros build + mockingbird

[golden plover]

I have not seen this splash at all

[twilit canyon]

its semi-popular since its technically better in modern

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1826348552244592719

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic) on X

It's all fun and games until you need a hand... 🤡

#MTGDuskmourn

Twitter · Aug 21, 2024, 8:00 PM

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/side-two-children-of-the-carnival-part-1

[zinc shard]

Emberheart is amazing

Arena giving out free XP and a Sleeve due to a bug

[twilit canyon]

its because of a glitch

you werent getting exp for the past few days

[trail anvil]

it's just a random style btw, you got lucky

[twilit canyon]

yea

[trail anvil]

[twilit canyon]

i just got some random lizard

[trail anvil]

or random cosmetic* rather

also I've been getting exp I'm pretty sure?

[twilit canyon]

it was a display issue

iirc

[trail anvil]

ic

[sleek ferry]

Let me see what I got

Watch it be shit

Sigh, I hate being right

[trail anvil]

smh at least yours is playable in some contexts

[last glen]

boy I hope I get something relevant to the one deck I play

it was not relevant

[fallow citrus]

missing 10 rare wildcards to craft boros energy for timeless this sucks

[twilit canyon]

which rares

[fallow citrus]

uhh lemme check

4 guide, 4 bolt, 2 bombardment 4 foundry 4 mesa 4 strand 3 vantage

[lusty trench]

https://x.com/carilliongaming/status/1826062677287813274?s=46

Carillion 🔜Commander Sealed🔜 SCGDC (@CarillionGaming) on X

nobody will remember:

• your salary
• how “busy you were”
• how many hours you worked

people will remember:

• Vigilance, deathtouch, haste
• Can’t be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
• Uh…something about damage
• Shit, there’s MORE?!?

Twitter · Aug 21, 2024, 1:04 AM

[stark skiff]

Todays otterly awesome pickups

[fallow citrus]

otterly fantastic

[sleek ferry]

Hmm I have to figure out what i want to do with this

Deck is too slow to consistently get wins, especially on the draw

Soul partition, high noon and parting gust have all been insane

Flanker too

[trail anvil]

too slow
jace time

[sleek ferry]

[trail anvil]

wait are you doing bo1 or bo3

oh no sideboard

isn't bo1 just like a rakdos format

with some domain

[sleek ferry]

Bo1 is aggro hell

Every game is either bunnies, mono red, rakdos, mono black aggro or gruul

[golden plover]

Ehh could be worse?

[copper pecan]

i got an ugly looking emote

[golden plover]

I still remember getting the ugly dragon pet from one of these

This guy fucking sucks

[atomic harness]

[copper pecan]

he's so ugly

[atomic harness]

indeed...

[twilit canyon]

ditch it and play caretaker's talent

[subtle sierra]

play bnuuy

you will not regret

[twilit canyon]

yeah

caretaker + 2-3 fountainport + 2 mirrex

virtue of loyalty

[subtle sierra]

btw misty, anything i should change in this? i moved on to 30 lands and mana has been a lot better

finished crafting sunfall virtue and fountain btw

[twilit canyon]

hmmm

[[season of the burrow]] has performed quite well

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/29/season-of-the-burrow

Season of the Burrow <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose up to five worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Create a 1/1 white Rabbit creature token.
— Exile target nonland permanent. Its controller draws a card.
— Return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield with an indestructible counter on it.

[twilit canyon]

past that, [[get lost]] is theoretically an update but it can be kind of ass in and of itself

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/14/get-lost

Get Lost <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Destroy target creature, enchantment, or planeswalker. Its controller creates two Map tokens. (They're artifacts with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: Target creature you control explores. Activate only as a sorcery.")

[twilit canyon]

basically great at answering jace

[trail anvil]

jesus that's a fire sleeve

[trail anvil]

the fact that this hits everything and answers (and produces) indestructible caretaker's talent makes me love this card

[twilit canyon]

you know what else can be kinda hot? [[builder's talent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/5/builders-talent

Builder's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Builder's Talent enters, create a 0/4 white Wall creature token with defender.
: Level 2
Whenever one or more noncreature, nonland permanents you control enter, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, return target noncreature, nonland permanent card from your graveyard to the battlefield.

[twilit canyon]

oh and [[archangel elspeth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/6/archangel-elspeth

Archangel Elspeth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth
+1: Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token with lifelink.
−2: Put two +1/+1 counters on target creature. It becomes an Angel in addition to its other types and gains flying.
−6: Return all nonland permanent cards with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Loyalty: 4

[subtle sierra]

i'm not that sure on builder's talent

elspeth or season sounds good

[twilit canyon]

current popular lists are siding skrelv's hive and maining the talent bc the talent being able to revive elspeths and caretakers is pretty nuts

and gives another way to get buffs going

its honestly pretty nice to run

but

imo

its only greater when you have like

a 2nd color

if you can do something like revive quintorius

or jace

thats different

[atomic harness]

Skrelv is the goat holy

him and his hive

[subtle sierra]

hive is ok

skrelv can fuck off

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/50-cent-whathesaidfuckmefor-fuck50-gif-25306610

[golden plover]

Okay yeah I hate lands now

Don't ask me how I won that one on GDS with no blue and 3 lands all game

[golden plover]

Okay I would not wanna be playing a Lurrus deck without [[Valki]] rn. Card is too good for breaking parity in the mirror

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/114/valki-god-of-lies-tibalt-cosmic-impostor

Valki, God of Lies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — God
When Valki enters, each opponent reveals their hand. For each opponent, exile a creature card they revealed this way until Valki leaves the battlefield.
: Choose a creature card exiled with Valki with mana value X. Valki becomes a copy of that card.
2/1

Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor
Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
As Tibalt enters, you get an emblem with "You may play cards exiled with Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells."
+2: Exile the top card of each player's library.
−3: Exile target artifact or creature.
−8: Exile all graveyards. Add .
Loyalty: 5

[golden plover]

And if you somehow get to play the Tibalt side, you've definitely just won

[sleek ferry]

Sigh I got to stop arguing on the internet

This was in response to “slickshot is the only good card out of OTJ”

[copper pecan]

the fastlands are really good in standard too

[trail anvil]

three steps best counterspell
all my homies rep negate

but also bristly bill, spinewoods armadillo is playable, roxanne, pillage the bog and all the shit in big score

[sleek ferry]

Synthesizer

[copper pecan]

how could they forget my man bristly william smh my head

[trail anvil]

cornucopia, rest in peace reprint, hostile investigator

pest control was also a great card vs boros pre-rotation

[sleek ferry]

Shout out to my new goat [[molten collapse]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/234/molten-collapse

Molten Collapse <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Choose one. If you descended this turn, you may choose both instead. (You descended if a permanent card was put into your graveyard from anywhere.)
• Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
• Destroy target noncreature, nonland permanent with mana value 1 or less.

[trail anvil]

damn that goes hard in bo1

[sleek ferry]

Checks annoying [[scavenger’s talent]] decks

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/111/scavengers-talent

Scavenger's Talent <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control die, create a Food token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
Whenever you sacrifice a permanent, target player mills two cards.
: Level 3
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice three other nonland permanents. If you do, return a creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it.

[copper pecan]

[[requisition raid]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/26/requisition-raid

Requisition Raid <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)

• — Destroy target artifact.
• — Destroy target enchantment.
• — Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature target player controls.
  The Freestriders believe in liberation, in all its many forms.

[trail anvil]

I gotta say I haven't seen scavenger's talent decks yet, is this a recent development?

[twilit canyon]

no

they arent good really

[sleek ferry]

They’re like toxic decks, annoying, but not good

Best one I’ve seen was a mardu one which basically looked to get rottenmouth down on 3 and then just had mass ways to bring it back

[trail anvil]

oh rottenmouth turbo

[twilit canyon]

now rottenmouth is a good card

but its not so powerful that u can have it carry a bunch of mid cards

[atomic harness]

[subtle sierra]

big

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm Valki-pilled now

Card's been winning me the control matchup in energy too. Since if they tap out for something, you just drop Tibalt and they can't race him

Control cannot answer him if they don't counter him

And then they're just losing to you stealing all their counterspells. They don't pack the removal they'd need to get rid of him once he's on the board and when he ults you just win

Yoo if pioneer actually gets a good banlist Monday, I can play Valki in three formats

The Jace combo is kinda not real, but it's funny

[twilit canyon]

play valki in 4 formats

play valki in historic too

card's pretty good overall

[last glen]

[[Valki]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/114/valki-god-of-lies-tibalt-cosmic-impostor

Valki, God of Lies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — God
When Valki enters, each opponent reveals their hand. For each opponent, exile a creature card they revealed this way until Valki leaves the battlefield.
: Choose a creature card exiled with Valki with mana value X. Valki becomes a copy of that card.
2/1

Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor
Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
As Tibalt enters, you get an emblem with "You may play cards exiled with Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells."
+2: Exile the top card of each player's library.
−3: Exile target artifact or creature.
−8: Exile all graveyards. Add .
Loyalty: 5

[golden plover]

I'm Vintage and Timeless, he's seeing play as Lurrus #2 in the mirror and against anything else running it. In Pioneer, the combo is that you plot him off Jace and play the Tibalt side for free

[copper pecan]

oh god i didn't realize you could do that

[golden plover]

Yeah it's like cute but not very realistic

[twilit canyon]

its very slow (and bad)

[atomic harness]

Thank you kidge

[twilit canyon]

speaking of historic

historic amalia looks so different to pioneer now

and the other 2 are brews

[golden plover]

@lusty trench lmao speaking of borderlands ass "humor"

No clue why this set is getting advertised with 2010 memes

[twilit canyon]

thats the vibes they are going for ig

[golden plover]

Doesn't fit the "spooky haunted house" theme tho

They wanna be stranger things I guess

[twilit canyon]

i was just gonna say

lol

they want to be stranger things

which im guessing will 100% work

[golden plover]

It's a shame too because the story and worldbuilding have been very cool

So pushing it to the side to go "look guys we're stranger things" is... Sad

OH WAIT REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR THE SET

House of Leaves Secret Lair

All the cards just have incomprehensible rules text all over the card

You already can't read half the recent secret lairs as is

[twilit canyon]

i'd love this

actually

[golden plover]

Why not go all the way and just make it fucked up

[twilit canyon]

idk tho i think it can work as stranger things

this set is already introducing a very

liminal horror-esque aesthetic

which is good

it shouldnt be that innistrad absorbs all horror tropes

innistrad should stick to gothic and fantasy

[golden plover]

I dunno, stranger things is fine, but it's too tropey. Obviously the set is gonna be tropey

But like, if they expand and do non-tropey stuff like they've been doing in the story it'll be cool

[twilit canyon]

marketing for a set

[golden plover]

Although... Why was Jace randomly here in the story for like 5 minutes to do nothing and vanish? Just to remind us that Jace is still a bad guy?

[twilit canyon]

vs actual set

yea probs

i think its kinda working

like

i think its good to show our current main antagonist(s) doing things

[golden plover]

Yeah true but he didn't do anything

[twilit canyon]

no i know

but i mean like

existing

[golden plover]

He just showed up, Kaito went "hey it's fucked up you're trying to kill people", and Jace went "Yeah don't worry about it", got decked, and fucked off

[twilit canyon]

cus bolas and the phyrexians and the eldrazi have absolutely lacked presence

[golden plover]

Yeah true

[twilit canyon]

so jace being confronted, winning, and leaving

[golden plover]

Imo I think the setup on Kaldheim and Kamigawa was very good

[twilit canyon]

even if hes not doing shit

its fun

[golden plover]

But then SNC happened

[twilit canyon]

its putting more of the characters doing things

[twilit canyon]

fs

but again

[golden plover]

Like having one praetor show up every once in a while to slowly move the plot was cool

[twilit canyon]

it had a lot more of these moments

mhm

where in kaldheim

valki and vorinclex

were just being silly goobers in the story

just showing up

[golden plover]

And then... "Elspeth is cool with working with Urabrask. And the invasion is starting tomorrow"

[twilit canyon]

and in kamigawa same deal with tezz and jin gitaxias

they showed up and did a lot of menial shit

[golden plover]

Tbh SNC's story was a mess all around

[twilit canyon]

but it helped bc they were actually like

living and breathing characters

vs urabrask and shelly

and norn

[golden plover]

Yeah, and Tez and Jhin were actually well done in the Kamigawa story

[twilit canyon]

they did really fuck all in their stories/sets at least major impact

[golden plover]

I still have no clue what was going on with the Urabrask and Sheoldred revolution subplot

That was dumb

They mentioned it once in ONE, and then it's immediately resolved with the two of them dying at the literal start of the MOM story

[twilit canyon]

useless subplot after useless subplot

[golden plover]

That's the Wanderer's specialty tbh

[twilit canyon]

and again this is because we saw neither of them

do anything

[golden plover]

Getting involved in a useless subplot and fucking off when it matters

[twilit canyon]

meet potential woman

neg diffs multiple world-ending threats
does not show up when it matters
1000 excuses wotc gives to not give her screen time

[golden plover]

But yeah, the Sheoldred and Urabrask infighting revolution would have been really cool

Urabrask wanted the free Phyrexia and Sheoldred wanted the Yawgmoth phyrexia

[twilit canyon]

could have been cool if urabrask was in capenna for the halo

and was hoarding it and distributing it to the mirrans left

[golden plover]

Would have been neat for the Rakdos faction in MOM to have sided with the rebels to overthrow norn and attempt to make their own versions of Phyrexia

[twilit canyon]

could have been cool if in the dominaria storyline, shelly was shown studying yawgmoth's shit

[golden plover]

She's mentioned to be on Dominara for that exact reason

She and Rhona were very "old phyrexia"

But then nothing came from that

[twilit canyon]

yeah but

we didnt see shit about it

and it would have been impactful then, if norn in all will be one revealed she had already suspected the both of them if they wanted to keep the 2 of them dying early in mom

where she already discovered the halo stash, and yawg's preachings from shelly

it both

would have shown agency to urabraska nd sheoldred

and shown that norn was way more cunning and careful at that stage

[golden plover]

I mean this is also the same story where the smartest strategist of the praetors was killed by an unnamed knight dropping a rock on him

[twilit canyon]

sheoldred and rona running face first into norn having already calculated their next moves and the resistance forces getting cut off from their halo stash by norn bc she was already seeing them and then shelly and urabrask's death scenes would have made way more sense

[golden plover]

And Atraxa was killed by an unnamed union dropping a building on her

[twilit canyon]

she was killed by new yorkers

which is accurate to real life new yorkers

[golden plover]

I'm never not gonna be annoyed Jhin got killed by a random nameless knight

[twilit canyon]

i think its funny in a way

that someone that smart was just beaten by something so simple

but we didnt get enough time for that to be a payoff

[copper pecan]

i thought jin got killed by his own larva

[golden plover]

He does

Some random knight drops a thing on him that throws him in the larva pit

I think it was part of the seed core? Can't remember what knocked him into the pit

But random knight #37 was the one to hit him with it

I hope MH4 has "Dave, who killed Gitaxias" as a new legendary and his effect makes a bunch of phyrexian germs that fight a creature

[glad peak]

House of leaves alt arts would be great

Fits thematically but also turns the “monster house” of the book into a literal monster house

[golden plover]

Yeah true, would be a really good SL

[golden plover]

Just had an opponent in the mirror put their Lurrus in hand on a turn before they were gonna lose. 5 mana open on my turn I put my own Lurrus in my hand and then flashed in Disruptor Flute just to assert dominance

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/monsterhouse-monster-house-drag-me-gif-23787468

Hear me out

[zinc shard]

I swear we already had a monster house in Inistrad

[golden plover]

We did

I think it's called [[Hostile Hostel]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/264/hostile-hostel-creeping-inn

Hostile Hostel

Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a creature: Put a soul counter on Hostile Hostel. Then if there are three or more soul counters on it, remove those counters, transform it, then untap it. Activate only as a sorcery.

Creeping Inn
Artifact Creature — Horror Construct
Whenever Creeping Inn attacks, you may exile a creature card from your graveyard. If you do, each opponent loses X life and you gain X life, where X is the number of creature cards exiled with Creeping Inn.
: Creeping Inn phases out.
3/7

[sudden lava]

I wonder what "Let's Play a Game" is gonna do

I'd imagine it would have to have your opponent choose which effect?

[fallow citrus]

hope it's an acorn card and the effect is just shahrazad

[sleek ferry]

Decked dude out, shout out to jasper flint

[granite badge]

wait jace is the antagonist rn?

[copper pecan]

sort of? it's not really clear what he's doing or what his goals are

[lusty trench]

All he's really done is betray a group who was morally grey at best and adopt scrimblo so far

He's got loot which leads to something but I doubt he's gonna go full villain especially since he's had opportunities to do so before

At best he's going to have a "for the greater good" moment

[last glen]

Also he's trying to have kids with Vraska

[trail anvil]

I feel like he's more neutral good rn, I thought the other reason he "adopted" loot was because he was a literal map of the omenpaths

[glad peak]

the true villain of magic: fatherhood

[trail anvil]

idk why it says I made it to diamond, I definitely didn't

[sleek ferry]

Mine says I made it to plat when I was mythic

So idk

[lusty trench]

I got free sleeves

[glad peak]

huh that would look sick as a shadowbox, maybe 3d printed lol

[last glen]

Are there any landless decks

[fallow citrus]

yep

decks like this

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-oops-all-spells#paper

[glad peak]

Quite a lot but depends on your format

[fallow citrus]

also this ^

[glad peak]

Also it’s gotten a lot easier with mdfc land cards which technically don’t count as lands

But be warned, even as a gimmick those decks tend to be very 1 note and boring after a couple reps

[golden plover]

There's a cute deck that only uses one 1 mountain in Timeless and runs all MDFCs for Charbelcher

[steady onyx]

I was thinking about getting another commander deck, but one on a more budget side, i was deciding between yuriko and a feathers deck prob voltron vairant of feathers. anyone have anything about the two decks I should know if I was consdiering buying either

?

[twilit canyon]

yuriko would want to be more invested into

[steady onyx]

ok

[twilit canyon]

feather will either be too much to use bc ppl will hate you out of games for her

[steady onyx]

really?

[twilit canyon]

or she will do nothing besides wheel spinning

[steady onyx]

she seems so fun tho

so neither?

hm ok

[twilit canyon]

feather is fun

but the average player will hate you

[steady onyx]

hmm

enough you would recoomend to not buy?

[twilit canyon]

of course

my 1st commander deck was feather

it made me hate commaner until i played cedh

[glad peak]

Both decks everyone will hate you

[steady onyx]

oh

[glad peak]

But at least with yuriko you can beat them

[twilit canyon]

with feather, you will beat one player

and then the rest of the table will hate you

and the player you beat will dislike you

[steady onyx]

thats the vibe I get from voltron decks

hmm

ok

[glad peak]

Yuriko’s powerful enough you can destroy people with a casual deck and then add like 4-9 cards to turn it into a cedh contender

[steady onyx]

ok

[rigid scarab]

Feather is fine man

[glad peak]

Voltron is one of those archetypes where people like playing it but no one likes playing against it

[steady onyx]

yeah someone in our pod today

[twilit canyon]

no thats not it

[steady onyx]

played preston garvey

[rigid scarab]

Saying "everyone will hate you" is pretty pessimistic

[steady onyx]

and obviously did not show my disdain

[twilit canyon]

feather is solid yes

[rigid scarab]

It depends entirely on table

[steady onyx]

but that deck was fucking bullshit

[twilit canyon]

but shes not going to be something ppl actually enjoy playing against in most circumstances

[steady onyx]

they basically just gave preston garvey every bullshit thing

[glad peak]

[[preston garvey]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/8/preston-garvey-minuteman

Preston Garvey, Minuteman <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a green Aura enchantment token named Settlement attached to up to one target land you control. It has enchant land and "Enchanted land has ': Add one mana of any color.'"
Whenever Preston Garvey, Minuteman attacks, untap each enchanted permanent you control.
4/4

[rigid scarab]

I don't see much hate at all for feather

Like if I were to make a list of taboo commanders

Feather doesn't hit top 50

[glad peak]

Feather hits both the things casual players hate: storm and voltron (which is effectively infect for them, they just don’t know it)

[rigid scarab]

Who tf hates voltron

[glad peak]

She’s one of those decks where no one really cares on paper but after playing against them they don’t want to ever again

[twilit canyon]

a ton of players do

[rigid scarab]

No one I played against showed hate against voltron

[twilit canyon]

its something they get really annoyed at

[rigid scarab]

And I played against online randos on TTS

[glad peak]

Voltron’s just a very annoying deck that kills 1 person and either locks the game with an uninteractible thing or you just die

[rigid scarab]

But like I know mudkip actively hates casual

So I always take what he says with some salt

[glad peak]

As everyone should

For both statements

I love casual cube, casual commander is just not a great place to be

[rigid scarab]

Especially when it comes to "What budget casual deck should I build"

[glad peak]

Too many conflicting opinions and rules that it’s not worth untangling it all

[steady onyx]

the other annoying thing about that game was the player who was playing [[zacama]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/296/zacama-primal-calamity

Zacama, Primal Calamity <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Vigilance, reach, trample
When Zacama, Primal Calamity enters, if you cast it, untap all lands you control.
: Zacama deals 3 damage to target creature.
: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
: You gain 3 life.
9/9

[steady onyx]

targeted all my artifacts

[glad peak]

Just play what you want honestly and don’t get mad if people hate you for it, that’s my advice

[steady onyx]

equipped to my fucking mite

and my skrelvs hive

which was all i had

instead of hitting the voltron player

[rigid scarab]

Wait

[steady onyx]

but meh still kinda annoyed

[rigid scarab]

Areo is ranting about a casual game with random commanders

They'll fit right in

[steady onyx]

ok

[rigid scarab]

Uh from my experience

Yuriko has a much bigger stigma attached to her

[glad peak]

You should play erinis + street urchin

It’s very funny

Yuriko has a bigger stigma but she’s also much more powerful so you can power through a lot more effectively

[rigid scarab]

Well then there's a dilemma

[glad peak]

It also helps her cedh version isn’t that far off from a casual deck slowly grabbing upgrades

[rigid scarab]

Would you rather win a game or have a nice time at the table

[steady onyx]

idk

prob win

[glad peak]

Well in terms of this choice you’re not gonna get either with feather and you might get one with yuriko

[rigid scarab]

It's like a balancing act

[glad peak]

So therefore yuriko is the choice

[steady onyx]

ok

[rigid scarab]

The more casual your deck is the more it skews to the right

If you want a 100% chance to win and a 0% chance to have a nice time at the table

[glad peak]

That’s assuming very powerful decks aren’t having a fun time which they are

[rigid scarab]

Proxy up a cedh deck and go to a casual table

[glad peak]

You should play erinis + street urchin

[rigid scarab]

If you take "Ignore hate" too much to heart

Pubstomping is the objectively correct choice

[steady onyx]

thats just stupid...

[rigid scarab]

But you'd win

[glad peak]

Target the commanders all the time since it looks like they’re playing monolith commanders

[steady onyx]

oh another deck I was looking into

but this one rly needs more expensive cards ig

was

[glad peak]

Tbh cedh isn’t that bad, a lot of people with a lot of money or proxy end up building decks that can compete with cedh even if they lose slightly more than average

[steady onyx]

[[mary read and anne bonny]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/61/mary-read-and-anne-bonny

Mary Read and Anne Bonny <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Pirate
Haste
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
Whenever you discard an Island, Pirate, or Vehicle card, create a tapped Treasure token.
"Pirating might be seen as a man's life, but I guarantee: it's the most liberty a woman's going to find in this world." —Anne Bonny
3/3

[glad peak]

Even if they don’t recognize it lol

[rigid scarab]

I don't really agree with this?

I feel they'd only squeeze out a win if everyone immediately targets the cedh deck

[steady onyx]

no

this is playing cedh

[rigid scarab]

But like in terms of yuriko specifically for areo

[steady onyx]

not brining cedh to a casual table

[glad peak]

Not all the time

[rigid scarab]

I don't know if "Yuriko can easily be upgraded to cedh" holds much water

[glad peak]

Since cedh is inconsistent enough as is

[rigid scarab]

Bc I think areo wants to buy all the cards themselves

[steady onyx]

i would prefer to

i personally really dislike proxying

[glad peak]

Yuriko’s upgraded form is very close to cedh so it would be up to them in all honesty

It’s a flexible option

[rigid scarab]

The cedh all-stars tend to be ludicrously expensive

Especially if your deck has green in it

[rigid scarab]

And I still don't get why people play cedh for money

[steady onyx]

what about this commander, would people hate me for playing them?

[twilit canyon]

not really

[rigid scarab]

Don't see anything wrong with this choice

[glad peak]

Some people have way too much money on their hands what can I say lol

[steady onyx]

ok

[rigid scarab]

Points you in a direction

Not much of a stigma at all

Seems powerful if you upgrade it properly

[glad peak]

Cedh for competition is a low population as is

[rigid scarab]

I mean having a commander that draws you cards is always a good thing

Esp with low cmc

[glad peak]

Mary and Anne looks pretty fun in a trash pile deck, just loot for your 2 card combos and use treasures to pay for your 2 card combos

But if you want to just have a funny time playing with your opponents stuff play erinis street urchin control

[steady onyx]

idk are there any other decks

ernis street urchin didnt seem interesting to me

[glad peak]

It’s not a good deck by any means (well, technically cedh playable because the format’s hella inconsistent and sometimes no one pays you mind) but it’s fun to just 1 mana kill any commander any time you want

[steady onyx]

im not looking to play cedh

just wanna play casual

[rigid scarab]

There are thousands

[steady onyx]

i know

im bad at decisions

[glad peak]

Don’t get hung up on the label of cedh tbh

[rigid scarab]

I mean if you're worried your deck is too powerful, that you'd end up pubstomping tables and leaving a sour taste in everyone's mouths

Hearing that your deck is cedh viable is something I'd be worried about

[glad peak]

Both forms of Etali has shown some forms of cedh viability and I would call that a deck you should be worried about

Just play what you want

[steady onyx]

i just wanna try something new to what ive been playing

[rigid scarab]

And areo wants to play casual

[steady onyx]

i play beatdown spam with urza

graveyard and just effect duplicating with shadowheart

which is what drew me towards feather and yuriko

[glad peak]

Yes and if you’re limiting your options just because a commander has a cedh form then that’s not a good reason to not play it

[steady onyx]

im not?

[glad peak]

Im talking to sickle regarding that one lol

[rigid scarab]

I'm referring to this one

[steady onyx]

im down to play like anything

i just idk

[rigid scarab]

There's a difference between "This commander is cedh" and "This commander has a cedh deck"

[glad peak]

Yeah, don’t distance yourself from a deck just because it’s cedh or has the capacity to be

[rigid scarab]

I think if the deck is just straight up cedh and you wanna play casual

I'd stay away

But yeah just because a deck could theoretically become cedh

That doesn't mean you're gonna make it cedh

[rigid scarab]

Then some sort of spellslingy deck could work I think

I do think Mary Read and Anne Bonny is a fine choice

[steady onyx]

thats kinda why I was thinking feather

[glad peak]

So rn you have beatdown and grave stuff, feather and yuriko are probably a bit too close to those, probably going the opposite direction in control, storm, or trash pile combo works

[rigid scarab]

The play pattern of feather does tend to be

Play a cheap cantrip

[lusty trench]

Mary read and Anne bonny are kinda bonkers as pirates with wheel tribals

[rigid scarab]

Exile it with feather

And repeat it over the rotation for easy advantage

[steady onyx]

what does pirates with wheels mean sorry...

[lusty trench]

Pirates make up the creatures

[steady onyx]

oh

and vehicels

that makes sense

[rigid scarab]

That's

Not it

[lusty trench]

And then for spells add a lot of the cards that make you discard your hand and draw that many

[steady onyx]

oh

[lusty trench]

Aka wheeling

[steady onyx]

like wheel of fortune

[rigid scarab]

When we mean wheels we don't mean

[steady onyx]

i seee

[rigid scarab]

Yes

Not vehicles with wheels on them

[lusty trench]

It's very easy to just kinda end up with 7 mana turn 4

[steady onyx]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/commander-mary-read-and-anne-bonny#paper

hey look

i found a ultra budget deck

that somehow seems too good to be true

....

[glad peak]

Luckily there’s a 2 card combo in pirates too

[steady onyx]

what

breach?

[glad peak]

Just don’t make the mistake of going to scryfall and jamming your deck full of all of the pirates and vehicles you can find

Malcolm + buccaneer

[lusty trench]

Wheels are the main thing you always want, there's not many actual wheels at a good mana rate so it'll be things akin to windfall

[steady onyx]

i really do not think I should be building a deck rn

[lusty trench]

If you have wheels you have options and you have mana

[steady onyx]

i have no idea how to

my plan is just to netdeck one honestly

because i feel like I will not have fun

[glad peak]

The combo’s in the deck, it’s super cheap too

[steady onyx]

if I try to build a deck

[lusty trench]

What's your budget?

[steady onyx]

i mean

meh

technally a lot

but i kinda wanna try to get a deck for pretty cheap

cause it seems like there isnt too much you need for the deck

[lusty trench]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8366821/shirei

If you want a deck that is super fair and transparent about what it intends to do

And should be reasonably cheap

But if you wanted to just hop into a game

Precons

They're cheap, usually give you the cheap staples you needs, and then are decently playable out the box

[steady onyx]

i did that with urza

and now I kinda dont want to do that again

[lusty trench]

Do you know what you want out of a commander deck? Like what colours you like or what strategies (combo, control, combat focused etc)

[steady onyx]

i wanna play mary read and anne bonny rn

:/

im looking online now

at stuff

[granite badge]

This is one of my fav commanders

love extremely efficient value engined

[trail anvil]

@steady onyx in regards to yuriko, do you wanna just play ninjas or yuriko specifically?

[trail anvil]

honestly this is a good idea with any format until you understand how to deckbuild on your own. you can adjust as you go

[steady onyx]

i dont know, i think yuriko but idk i like the burn ability and that whole aspect of like manipulating the top of your deck

[trail anvil]

understandable tbh

[steady onyx]

on a completely different topic

does this seem like a fine list to netdeck?

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/8UGvK4094E2L5k6r0zdWkw

[trail anvil]

looks fine to me as a starter list

[lusty trench]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8942722/anne

Land count is high but I brain farted on additions

[steady onyx]

its like super cheap which meh prob isnt greatest idea but my thought process is like, hey let me try this deck super cheap see if I like general play pattern and if yes I buy upgrades

🤷‍♂️

[trail anvil]

[lusty trench]

Deck goes non deterministically infinite turn 4 and aims to hit dual caster twinflame with it

[glad peak]

i see buccaneer and i see malcolm, no complaints here other than wanting more interaction and draw power (of course lol)

[lusty trench]

If you want to spend money to upgrade it there's the usual staples dockside rhystic remora etc but the biggest upgrade you can add to the deck is amulet of vigor and ways of searching it

[steady onyx]

can someone explain why this keeps happening on tcgplayer

[glad peak]

looks like no one's selling those specific printings?

[lusty trench]

It grabbed cards from a printing that doesn't exist at least on paper

[steady onyx]

ok

[glad peak]

wait alchemy?

yeah change printings and you'll be fine

[steady onyx]

ok

[glad peak]

i'm confused why alchemy is showing up under tcgplayer lol

[lusty trench]

It's not that's the issue

[steady onyx]

how

[lusty trench]

The deck building website exported it as an alchemy printing

[lusty trench]

You just give em one of these

You use the commanders ability to draw and discard

Discard a pirate vehicle or island and make a treasure

Triggers one of these, let's you draw and discard

Discard a pirate vehicle or island and make a treasure

Repeat until you have the win

The reason it's non deterministic infinite is because you have to have a pirate vehicle or island to discard to keep the loop going

[steady onyx]

oh

i see

but than

you only have the tapped treasure

ISEE

thats why u want vigor

[glad peak]

huh yeah that works

there's also another turn 4 kill you can do but you need to get very lucky

[lusty trench]

It also lets you dig for specific cards you need

[steady onyx]

which one?

[sudden lava]

Hopefully getting some big money soon to throw on some new decks

[glad peak]

malcolm and glint-horn buccaneer assuming you can get a treasure or mana rock early

[steady onyx]

how does it work?

[stark skiff]

Anyone know a solid list to make with him?

[trail anvil]

shit everything around them is solid

any token spam just results in a huge value pile, you could probably build it combo too given how much mana it gives

[stark skiff]

Yeah I’m unfamiliar with token spam decks lol

EDH also has a wide variety of cards for it

But yeah hoping for the huge value

[trail anvil]

the big hitters are stuff like scute swarm, [[farmer cotton]] and [[peregrin took]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/55/farmer-cotton

Farmer Cotton <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
When Farmer Cotton enters, create X 1/1 white Halfling creature tokens and X Food tokens. (They're artifacts with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
"So it's begun at last! I've been itching for trouble all this year."
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/181/peregrin-took

Peregrin Took <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus an additional Food token are created instead. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Draw a card.
"Sam! Get breakfast ready for half-past nine!"
2/3

[trail anvil]

rosie cotton is also super dangerous, do you want like a full deck?

[stark skiff]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind a sample list to aim for

That’s funny tho since I’m making Sam/Frodo I have those so that’s neat

[trail anvil]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8944800/edh_baylen this was the list I had before bloomburrow, I'd try this + caretaker's talent and maybe [[finneas, ace archer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/212/finneas-ace-archer

[trail anvil]

oops wait nevermind xd baylen is in bloomburrow I'm trolling

[stark skiff]

ty

[trail anvil]

ye

[zinc shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/Squiddytastic/status/1827460606158631239

[urban crane]

What are some nice simic landfall commanders? That are not omo

[glad peak]

Tatyova

[urban crane]

Also how is bristly bill in the 99?

[glad peak]

He’s fine but I don’t see a reason why

[lusty trench]

Bristly is mainly good with nadu, and you can easily run nadu with landfall packages

[glad peak]

He’s mostly good when it comes to killing 1 person or you have ways to protect the thing that’s going to kill everyone in 3 turns, overall a winmore card though

There’s also some infinites like scurry oak, bill, and Ashaya

We finally broke Ashaya

[granite badge]

yoo the buddyfight sleeves

[golden plover]

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2232738507?t=09h00m45s&desktop-redirect=true

Holy shit

50 minute Nadu turn on a feature match

[trail anvil]

were they confident they could win in time? why not scoop?

[golden plover]

Nadu is non-deterministic. There's an (albeit small) chance the Nadu player misses

[lusty trench]

Is this like they go to time then get the win there’s no game 2 or onward

[trail anvil]

non-deterministic or not, you then have to play through 5 turns of 50 lands

[golden plover]

That and with the banlist tomorrow there's a decent chance they never have to deal with this again

[trail anvil]

if you even get that far

[golden plover]

Might have been letting it play out for the sake of showing why the bird isn't okay

[lusty trench]

So like the nadu player could theoretically drag a game out with this loop to get the win to make it a 50 minute one game match?

[trail anvil]

honestly maybe. equivalent of that kid getting firewall comboed on stream lmao

[lusty trench]

Or is there a guaranteed amount of games played and time spent is only relevant within that game

[golden plover]

Either way, it's insane how long the combo takes

If Yorion is banned for long ass turns, hopefully Nadu does for it too

But watch the banlist tomorrow be "We banned Shuko" and that's it

[lusty trench]

Imagine going to locals, time is put on the round, and you’re like “it’s okay if I lose one here cause I can side for game 2…” and then your opponent eats all the time on the round in game 1 with nadu loop

[trail anvil]

wait yorion was banned for turns?

[golden plover]

Yorion's stated ban reason was that games go on too long

[trail anvil]

what took so long with that, were there that many triggers?

[glad peak]

Shuffling time mostly

[lusty trench]

They have to do each nadu trigger individually

[glad peak]

80 is much higher than 60 in the hand

[lusty trench]

Since it’s not a loop they can demonstrate with reliability

There’s a chance however slim the nadu player could fail to continue the loop

[golden plover]

The other reasons are physical dexterity and 4c Omnath deck was prevalent at the time

[lusty trench]

So each action has to be painstakingly continued one by one

[golden plover]

The 4c Omnath deck also has a lot of game actions in the form of Omnath and Risen Reef

[trail anvil]

I was talking about yorion not nadu

[lusty trench]

Ahhh

[golden plover]

If you flickered a risen reef, Omnath, and a few elementals off Yorion that's like 16 triggers at the end phase

[trail anvil]

yeah that makes sense tbh

I remember playing a deck like that on arena and it definitely took a while lmao

[lusty trench]

Is this a legit thing that could happen btw?

[golden plover]

It depends on the MTG locals, but you theoretically could

[lusty trench]

I feel like it should be banned just for that

[golden plover]

There's a lot of reasons Nadu should be banned

[lusty trench]

There’s 0 way that nadu was tested properly

It physically couldn’t have been

It likely got tested and then last minute buffed imo

[trail anvil]

I wonder if it was a skullclamp thing

[golden plover]

Yeah, I'd bet something got changed last minute like Oko

Although I can't see how they would ever think giving each creature an ability that triggers twice each turn was okay

[lusty trench]

Not only that but with such an easy condition

[golden plover]

Hopefully we'll see a "Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned in Modern" tomorrow tho

Fun fact, paper Nadu decks are better than MTGO ones

And the reason MTGO Nadu hasn't been showing as many results is because MTGO uses different time rules

So Nadu players are playing a version with a more streamlined more interactive combo

Paper decks aren't running Thoracle at all

[trail anvil]

you can concede at any time tbh. you can let your opponent combo the whole time if you want ig

[trail anvil]

what do they run?

[golden plover]

The paper combo uses Springheart Nantuku, Endurance and Sylvan Safekeeper to make a board of indestructible 1/1s while drawing your whole deck

Then, you move on to saccing Boseiju over and over off Sylvan Safekeeper

You loop this to destroy all their lands

Then do the same thing with Otawara

This leaves you with an infinitely large board, infinite life, and them with no lands or permanents

You'll run out of time first in MTGO which is why the Nadu decks use the streamlined Thoracle version

Oh right, forgot you loop Urzas Saga and Haywire mite to gain infinite life

End result is still a couple million life, a couple thousand 1/1s, and them having no lands or permanents

Another fun thing you can do during the loop (and the reason it's so effective) is loop [[Spell Pierce]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/36/spell-pierce

Spell Pierce <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays .
"There's a hole in your plan." —Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage

[golden plover]

Prevents them from Rakdos Charming you

Because Rakdos charm would kill you during this

But if you can just loop spell pierce any time they've got open mana until you eat all their lands, they can't

[last glen]

Is the list coming out tomorrow?

[golden plover]

Yeah

[sleek ferry]

Locals dependent. Some locals only let you concede at sorcery speed

[glad peak]

Doesn’t that only apply to commander?

Also if you physically scoop up your cards, what’re they gonna do, give you a game loss?

[sleek ferry]

Oh mb, I thought we were talking about cedh

Yeah, for normal formats it should be whenever

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kvKQgCDkmUmkQ1kjpJwAPg I need your guys opinion on this deck. Ignore the Mana Base, that will get properly fixed after im done with nonlands. I have stuff in the considering section that I thought of adding as well

yes I know the name is generic but it was worth

[glad peak]

I don’t have too much time but first card I hate: brazen dwarf

Doesn’t roll dice on its own and 1 damage is nothing even throughout multiple rolls

[gritty nest]

i mean yea, thats fair, compared to other ping effects. If its not pulling weight when I test the deck, ill remove it

[lusty trench]

A thing to consider is "if my commander isn't on the board, what is my deck doing?"

[sleek ferry]

[[brazen dwarf]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/134/brazen-dwarf

Brazen Dwarf <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dwarf Shaman
Whenever you roll one or more dice, Brazen Dwarf deals 1 damage to each opponent.
"My grandmother saved the life of a brass dragon, and in return she was given a glimpse of the fire in its heart—a glimpse she passed down to me."
1/3

[lusty trench]

If the answer to that is "not much", you should be dedicating to a small protection package

Hexproof/shroud equipments, protection instants etc

[gritty nest]

already thought of that. the deck basically would become generic mardu token/aristocrat, not the greatest though. Mr House in the end is a payoff for rolling

i have tef pro and flawless maneuver in the considering pile

wyll's reversal is also technically protection

so is lae'zel's acrobatics

but greaves are still a good idea

[lusty trench]

I don't see anything that stands out to me as being incorrectly built here, maybe a guaranteed board wipe for just in case someone steamrolls? Like a wrath or farewell

Other than that you seem to have all your basis covered with cards that also benefit your goal

[gritty nest]

im surprised you didnt question the bobbleheads

[lusty trench]

The luck one rolls dice, they synergise with each other, they're mana rocks

Seem fine

[gritty nest]

fair

comet im probably gonna cut honestly, yea it rolls dice but i have enough dice rolling stuff

i thought about adding creatures like [[Soul Warden]] to offset lifeloss but at the same time, it wouldn't really fit the theme and be better off in something like [[Caesar]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/24/soul-warden

Soul Warden <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever another creature enters, you gain 1 life.
"One does not question the size or shape of the grains of sand in an hourglass. Nor do I question the temperament of the souls under my guidance."
1/1

Multiple cards match “Caesar”, can you be more specific?

[gritty nest]

[[Caesar, Legion's Emperor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/1/caesar-legions-emperor

Caesar, Legion's Emperor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack, you may sacrifice another creature. When you do, choose two —
• Create two 1/1 red and white Soldier creature tokens with haste that are tapped and attacking.
• You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
• Caesar, Legion's Emperor deals damage equal to the number of creature tokens you control to target opponent.
4/4

[lusty trench]

I'd keep it tbh, it's repeatable dice rolls you can defend easily with your robots

It also can potentially roll you a shit ton

(I had someone get comets final ability 6 times in a row)

[gritty nest]

jesus

i do want to try to squeeze in a board wipe, some more single target removal and protection, maybe the intangible virtue

but ill probably figure that out in time

[lusty trench]

The fun thing about that is you can just delegate all removal to your opponents so now they have the burden

[gritty nest]

as in making them waste removal on eachother/you instead of you trying to run removal to deal with threats

[lusty trench]

Exactly

You make your deck entirely gas for what you want and make your opponents be forced to give up deck slots for removal

(do not do this, it's a horrible idea but incredibly commonly occurring)

[gritty nest]

no

lol

would running path of ancestry be dumb?

[lusty trench]

Not recommended but it's not like it'll kill you

[gritty nest]

fair

adding in duals and what not, debating on adding the surveils, pains, and whatever else

Thanks for the advice btw

[trail anvil]

that said, that is relevant for edh pods with nadu (although I hope nobody's running that in casual still)

[gritty nest]

nice new pfp Komi

[trail anvil]

thanks

[sudden lava]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGRumors/comments/1f14zoq/ultra_pro_product_listings_for_return_to_tarkir/

[lusty trench]

Five makes sense ig

[sudden lava]

if true, new Alesha?

[lusty trench]

She'd have to be redone considering the dragons now rule tarkir but I'd imagine someone like her would still hold a high position giving her prowess

[gritty nest]

what do you guys think of dockside extortionist in commander, but its not cedh/no tutors?

[copper pecan]

alesha died a thousand years ago so probabaly not

[golden plover]

I think dockside is "fine" in casual, but it's still an asshole card

[lusty trench]

It’s a card I wouldn’t put in because even if you can’t abuse it someone else at the table probably can

[gritty nest]

what makes dockside an asshole card?

[lusty trench]

It's just super value

It's very very rare to see a dockside played fairly

[gritty nest]

fair

someone said I should add dockside to mr house and i said no

i feel in situations where youre not against fast mana, he's not gonna be as amazing. Yes theres decks that generate a shit ton of artifacts/enchantments for dockside to generate more treasures, but i dont ever play against those

idk how wrong i am, i dont own a dockside

[glad peak]

You’re sort of right but in mid power games even there are enough mana rocks and stuff like rhystic (yes even in casual) that it becomes 2 mana make 2-6 treasures so it pays for itself or is a ritual you can store

[golden plover]

Worst case scenario he usually nets you 2-3 treasures

[gritty nest]

i see rhystic/smothering tithe all the time tbh

[glad peak]

It doesn’t have to be busted to be good, dockside’s cheap enough that paying for it really isn’t that bad

Rhystic in casual is cringe just like sol ring but it’s a card everyone plays to it’s grandfathered in

[gritty nest]

i dont mind sol ring, but i dislike the smug bastards that think theyre better when they turn 1 ring signet

ive seen a turn 1 ring hit by a [[Pact of negation]] for that same reason

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https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/169/pact-of-negation

Pact of Negation <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Instant
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Those who expect betrayal at every turn are seldom disappointed.

[gritty nest]

(yes the pact player lost)

[glad peak]

Based

[gritty nest]

the ring player scooped on the spot too

cried that he couldnt play the game now

[glad peak]

Huh?

[sudden lava]

Ghost Alesha/Descendant using her name

[glad peak]

Lmao your unofficial power nine got countered so you can’t play anymore

[gritty nest]

yea the guy who tried to t1 sol ring scopped when it got hit by a pact (knowing the pact player was losing) and got pissed and said he couldnt play the game now since he wouldnt have the mana

[trail anvil]

lmao wow

[golden plover]

Ring really is the power 10 huh

[trail anvil]

I hate seeing that card in any casual commander game tbh

[sudden lava]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/1ez72r7/lgs_couple_decided_i_lost_after_breaking_rule_0/ MTG player horror story

[gritty nest]

what do you guys consider casual?

[trail anvil]

I'm fine with stuff that requires artifact/enchantment removal but needing exile removal on top of drawing an insane amount of cards is just crazy to me

anything can be casual if you work it out, but there's definitely gonna be different boundaries for everyone

[sudden lava]

precon/precon with small changes for commander

[trail anvil]

wat that's insanely narrow

[sudden lava]

anything around that power level is casual

[gritty nest]

thats not casual, thats a way of playing moreso imo

[lusty trench]

For me there’s levels to it

[sudden lava]

^

[lusty trench]

Like precon, precons with upgrades/low power casual, and then mid-high power

Issue is is defining what those mean

Because they’re concepts not rigid rulings

[gritty nest]

subjective concepts

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[gritty nest]

the couple here sound like dogshit

they deserve getting clapped

[lusty trench]

Yeah if you win via infect in commander you deserve it

[sudden lava]

facts

[trail anvil]

I feel like the way you build a deck or play it around certain controversial cards is also important

[lusty trench]

Generally it’s just a lack of removal to get rid of what’s poisoning you/letting big threat things stick around (doubling season into phyrexian vraska)

[sudden lava]

"It's not combat damage" - Couple probably idk
It's dealing damage by something attacking, it counts.

[trail anvil]

like people take issue with land destruction usually cause they durdle after

[sudden lava]

Heck Toxic literally does both

[trail anvil]

hard stax prolonging the game to hours is also an issue

[lusty trench]

Generally speaking a lot of playgroups want a turn at doing the thing so they look down at stax and land destruction due to it being a hurdle to that

[trail anvil]

also certain actions make me focus the hell out of you

I saw a dude suspend a blightsteel colossus in jhoira and that dude ate the table's wrath lmao

[gritty nest]

good

[sudden lava]

Deserved

[gritty nest]

i dont mind single target land destruction

[lusty trench]

Signal a win get beaten

[gritty nest]

"fuck your field of the dead"

[lusty trench]

These be the rules

[gritty nest]

but MLD is just tedious

[trail anvil]

I should've specified mass

[gritty nest]

i figured you meant mass but still throwing my opinion out

[trail anvil]

single is like fine but damn if it doesn't feel targeted sometimes

[sudden lava]

I'm still waiting for the day I inevitable betrayal a brightsteel colossus from my pod's infect player

[trail anvil]

one time I got my thespian's stage killed on turn 3 with nothing out cause dude wanted to use his beast within on curve lmao

I get the land is scary but man

[lusty trench]

To be fair, fair things rarely happen with thespian

[trail anvil]

I mean later on I did turn it into a 20/20 flying indestructible

but that's beside the point /s

[sudden lava]

The 20/20 is just a stage prop

[steady onyx]

are there any cheap commander decks I can build

for mtga

just so I can paly the format

sorry i mean brawl

[glad peak]

there's always etali but idk if it's cheap

[steady onyx]

ok

[steady onyx]

these are my decks i also used to have an old simic like koma deck i was thinking building something simic? is there a cheap commander I can build around

dont have too many wild cards

but meh

mabye I can make something work

[zinc shard]

Do you care more about actually playing or winning?

[trail anvil]

etali can be cheap but really boring basically. you run a bunch of mana dorks and etali, then cheat stuff off the top of each library

for simic maybe in the same vein, [[tatyova, benthic druid]] probably?

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https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/290/tatyova-benthic-druid

Tatyova, Benthic Druid <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you gain 1 life and draw a card.
"Yavimaya is one being—one vastness of rippling leaves, one deepness of roots, and one chatter of animals—of which I am one part."
3/3

[trail anvil]

she herself is an uncommon and you can just run a bunch of cards that put lands on the battlefield, then whichever high mana payoffs you have in simic to take advantage of all your land and draws

koma is a great top end for her

[gritty nest]

What precon would be best you guys think would help get someone into magic?

[glad peak]

Etali is pretty boring but I know people like the style of ramp hard and play big thing so that’s my suggestion

As for precons, any decently powerful one, maybe something from the warhammer one

A big thing that’s neglected when getting someone into the game is to let them win maybe a third of the time

[sleek ferry]

Why is there so many good 3 drops in standard rn

[twilit canyon]

midrange

[sleek ferry]

Btw idk if it’s just me

But I’ve been forced to go 2nd in 25 of my last 30 games

[golden plover]

I love losing to the One Ring. So cool it can just remove all its counters by drawing you into a new one

[steady onyx]

i have to say urza chief artificer

its what got me back into magic

[steady onyx]

meh playing

its just so much

i had thought about feather

is feather cheap in brawl

cause i know you use a bunch of cheap cost like buff spells

[steady onyx]

are there 3 mythics I should craft that are good for the deck?

[trail anvil]

yes, extremely. that's another good deck to go with, as long as you're fine with going through a bunch of common and uncommon wildcards

[steady onyx]

idk if this is any good i just put all the cards I owened without spending any wildcards

so imma try it out now

hmm

its too expensive

i just realized

[trail anvil]

craft wash away when you get the chance, it's one of the best counter spells in the format. also I'd put the budget fetch lands in

[trail anvil]

wym

[glad peak]

Woooo 4 min left

[steady onyx]

like too many high cost cards

i think

thats what it feels anyways

playing it rn

[trail anvil]

the curve is supposed to be high, but you'll probably need more ramp cards just cause you actually plus off of them

but tbh I'd just go with feather since she's extremely better on a budget

[steady onyx]

i ramped a lot

but now i have no more lands

[trail anvil]

more than what you currently have lol, cause tatyova is supposed to keep your hand full

[glad peak]

Yeah it looks like you have ton of ramp for ramp’s sake without many ways to consistently win

[trail anvil]

which mythics you craft also depends on what you wanna craft btw

[steady onyx]

i just dont think I have enouhg common/uncommon for feather

i only have like 20 of each

[trail anvil]

show us the instant and sorcery spells in red white that target in your collection, in a deck

cause you can legitimately use pretty much anything and justify it early on, she's not super picky

[steady onyx]

ok

one second

let me finish this game

[fallow citrus]

nadu grief ban pog

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement

[lusty trench]

Vein ripper going to £2 a copy

[trail anvil]

pog amalia and sorin bans too @twilit canyon

didn't you say you wanted grief ban in legacy too?

[twilit canyon]

im shocked grief went in modern too

wow

[fallow citrus]

we used to pray for times like these

[twilit canyon]

but also nice pioneer is maybe a playable format

[twilit canyon]

grief needed to go in legacy

[lusty trench]

Idk who here plays modern but people have been begging for a one ring hit right?

[steady onyx]

i think this is everything

[atomic harness]

Goodbye Nadu and Amalia

[atomic harness]

it's scamover

I understand why though lol

[twilit canyon]

bad players yes

[twilit canyon]

same

lol

[trail anvil]

this is already a decent start tbh. also look up which cards in your collection have an effect when targeted (searching "becomes the target") in boros

there should be a bunch from bloomburrow

cards that grow bigger when a noncreature/instant or sorcery specifically is played are also nice in feather

and then once you've done that basically look for a bunch of instants that say "indestructible", "gains protection", "hexproof", etc, or just provide a big stat boost or some other swingy effect like double strike

[trail anvil]

recruit instructor and scribe are good enough inclusions ye

[steady onyx]

how does adventure work with feather

[lusty trench]

You get to pick

Exile with feather or let it go to exile via the inherent properties of an adventure

[steady onyx]

is this good with feather?

[sudden lava]

I assume you mean commander (cuz pretty much all precons are these days) and I offer something different. A starter deck made by Suris
https://youtu.be/2PgUStX61SE

this one is monored dragons

[lusty trench]

Doesn’t seem bad, it protects and removes from combat, ring tempt gives filtering pseudo unblockable and extra damage triggers

[trail anvil]

I think they wanted ease of access by purchasing one product. any one starter deck isn't too bad to start with, I think it depends more on their playstyle

[trail anvil]

it's probably okay tbh, this works as a protection spell but just know it turns her off for the turn if you use it on her

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/august-26-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement

FUCK NADU

FUCK GRIEF

FUCK AMALIA

FUCK SORIN

Urza's Saga finally restricted in Vintage

[twilit canyon]

grief catching strays 😔

their ban reasoning is fine tho

In the interest of making the format more fun, we are banning Grief today.

even if it wasnt that good in modern

[golden plover]

Pioneer is probably good again tbh

[trail anvil]

grief is annoying to deal with, mood

[steady onyx]

so this is what I did with everything I had that targeted and im at 79 cards, should I get more creatures and removal and ramp now? or somethjing else

is there anything I should craft?

[twilit canyon]

*playable

hold on good

[trail anvil]

you don't need ramp in here really

[steady onyx]

ok

[golden plover]

Pioneer lost the three most oppressive decks

Format opens up wide here

[trail anvil]

do you have the common/uncommon multicolor lands? it'll be rough around the edges but better than getting color screwed imo

[golden plover]

And imo their ban reason for Grief is more than valid

[trail anvil]

especially given her strict casting cost

[golden plover]

The evoke cycle just do not feel fun to play around

Nadu's original design was CRAZY

[trail anvil]

jesus fuck lmao

[golden plover]

Oh wait opponent controls

Not as bad