Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

You do not wanna draft into bats

Your payoffs aren't good enough when mice can just drop a 7/7 double strike trampler t4

[sleek ferry]

My initial thoughts on standard after a day is:

• It’s aggro heavy
• The set looks more impactful than I initially assumed it would be
• the uncommon land cycle is REALLY good (black and red one come up all the time)

Also the black season is actually just insane to resolve

[subtle sierra]

it's aggro heavy

It's joever

I thought i might get back after the new set and rotation

[sleek ferry]

This is probably going to differ greatly between bo1 and bo3 btw. Temporary lockdown hoes every new deck besides frogs and idt frogs are real to begin with

[gritty nest]

I’ve played both and I have so much fun with abzan food

Assuming commander

[sleek ferry]

Idk how viable it actually is, but I added ob nix as a top end to lizards, and it actually feels insane lmao

[glad peak]

Funniest application I’ve seen is ygra hulk

[sleek ferry]

And I will double down and say the new land cycle is insane

Not just good

But insane

@twilit canyon how are you liking the new standard? I know you like aggro

[twilit canyon]

aggro is garbage atm. cannot beat maha

been playing a gb list with maha at the top and u just cant lose

[sleek ferry]

I haven’t seen Maha yet so I can’t comment

[twilit canyon]

aggro has zero plays vs the rock type lists and their creatures line up awful

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been running into a lot more Azorius artifacts though

[twilit canyon]

the one saving grace is that lord skitter tokens are not blockers too

cant even play squee to grind them out cus they just eat your gy

and shelly is proving herself a huge issue

frankly not really feeling standard rn

[sleek ferry]

Interesting, yeah this might be the dichotomy I was talking about between bo1 vs bo3 rn. In bo1 rn aggro is pretty king, moreso than usual, and the control lists you do run into are on like 4 lockdowns or 4 brotherhoods end to be able to withstand aggro

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt be surprised if aggro is solid in bo1 it always has been

in bo3 i feel like aggro is unplayable

black has not lost almost any tools to stay alive and they punish your mid draws way too harshly

i had a rather mid curve with a cut down and mosswood into shelly with 4 lands vs a perfect curve from lizards going 1 drop landfall into lizard bte and they just folded to shelly

[sleek ferry]

I can see that for sure, I’ve been meaning to test mono black in bo3 with the new double black thoughtseize

[twilit canyon]

i think i lost more life that game to my own mosswood

[twilit canyon]

no reason not to play green

or red

red for cruelclaw or green for glissa

glissa is tried and true

glissa dog walks the shit out of the mice deck too

first strike deathtouch is so unfaif for them lmao

[sleek ferry]

I also noticed a lot of lizard players are playing some of the dogshit cards like rotcaller

[twilit canyon]

and mabel putting down her super nice equipment means nothing if u cant attack anyways

[twilit canyon]

yes list are still very unoptimized

[sleek ferry]

Hired Claw and the landfall lizard are both just generally good 1 drops in their colors

That’s one thing I’ll say

This set has a lot of solid 1 drops

[twilit canyon]

it needed to or else it'd fail in draft

bad

since its a typal matters set

unfort it doesnt save them from constructed powerhouses

that said draft is quite good albeit a bit unbalanced

a lot of izzet's good cards directly fuck you over vs the good orzhov cards

can feel like they didnt test certain interactions

ton of bat cards should have said on life loss specifically not taking damage

cus the pingers are awful

had some guy interact on my turn and literally bc of it pushed my board to lethal in the air

they were at 18

[sleek ferry]

Yeah idt bats are draftable given the double requirements on life loss + life gain

Been messing around a bit with this list, go for the throat has been underwhelming, I should probably be on 2 and 2 shoot the sheriff, abrade rotating out kinda really sucks, I would probably side in brotherhood’s end in bo3

Still working out the deck, but Hired Claw is an insane card

You can easily force them to use removal on it if they try to force you into a “I dare you” type of game

Gev basically never sticks, but that’s fine, winning without GeV isn’t hard

Black season also is usually either a boardwipe, a draw 4 and sometimes a ping for 6+ for game

Card feels mandatory in lizards

[trail anvil]

o I thought you meant the other ob nix, forgot he rotated

[sleek ferry]

Nah, I wish

But you would play him if he was still around

[trail anvil]

I never realized how much value lizards had though, this stuff really is crazy

[sleek ferry]

I’ve yet to lose the mirror, but that’s because people are focusing in on the dogshit lizards

You also have generally good tools vs mono red to either race them or stifle them

Unless they open godly, then you weren’t meant to win that game

[golden plover]

It really is crazy how bad bats feel in limited

Like I think if you get stuck with bats, you force 3 color

You're already losing, might as well try ANYTHING

[twilit canyon]

total opposite experience

bats are kinda wild when they come together

extremely oppressive

[copper pecan]

yeah i just went 6-3 with bats and i can confirm they are good

[twilit canyon]

opponents will tickle you and you will gain like 10 power

their enchantment is also way too easy to enable and too rewarding if the game stalls

[golden plover]

I straight up haven't seen bats work at all in gold in draft

Every bat player I've played against hasn't been able to stabilize and they're just out of the game the second anything happens

The enchantment is good in stalls, but they feel weak af

[twilit canyon]

gold. thats your problem

[sleek ferry]

Could be worse, I think I’m bronze in draft

[golden plover]

I mean, draft has the issue it's the costliest format to play

Unless you're spending a bit of money, I feel like you're not moving far in draft at a time

Even a 7 win game only really moves you up 1-2 in your rank

I think silver is probably the average draft experience and anything above that is good-better considering draft costs so much to play

[sleek ferry]

I find myself doing better irl drafting than online for some reason

[golden plover]

Drafting is honestly better irl

The online experience just isn't there

[waxen timber]

There's this one guy at my OTS that is questionable at drafting. I make sure to sit right next to him and he just will pass bombs to me cause he decides his colors by pack 1

Also knowing what colors people will prefer at your OTS lets you know decently reliably what you can get

[golden plover]

You also actually play those other decks in your pool

[lusty trench]

You should be assigned seats when you draft

[golden plover]

I know it's impossible in arena, but you could draft very good for your packs and lose to someone who drafted insane in their packs

Speaking of Draft (well I guess Sealed) we're suffering from success in this pool and I can't tell what we settle on

[lusty trench]

Reminds me when I got passed a capture of jingzhou and a demonic tutor in a commander masters draft

[golden plover]

Honestly I'm leaning towards Green?

I think [[Galewind Moose]] is better than most rares/mythics in the entire pool

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/173/galewind-moose

Galewind Moose <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Elk
Flash
Vigilance, reach, trample
"Something has stirred the Calamity Beasts, and they are wreaking havoc. Anyone who wishes to help, come forth! Whether it's with your swords in the fight or your shovels in the field, join me!" —Mabel, heir to Cragflame
6/6

[golden plover]

And drafting 2 kinda makes me think I should be playing it

We can also pump up an [[Emberheart Challenger]] with combat spells and do 17 out of nowhere

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/133/emberheart-challenger

Emberheart Challenger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Mouse Warrior
Haste
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Valiant — Whenever Emberheart Challenger becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/2

[lusty trench]

My experience with bloomburrow is a big body rarely turns the tides late game

[golden plover]

Big body alone isn't good

But Galewind is straight up a mythic uncommon

Vigilance, Trample, Reach in a format with small guys means he chumps basically everything

The keyword combination wins games

[copper pecan]

the one that draws cards and makes tokens?

it's very powerful in the late game

[twilit canyon]

yep

[subtle sierra]

👁️

[twilit canyon]

comes down super early

[subtle sierra]

Do we have a control deck in standard?

[lusty trench]

Idk I've never seen someone actually make the moose stick around or have it matter

[twilit canyon]

grinds a game out and makes unbeatable board states

[copper pecan]

i got passed two of it and it carried me every time

[subtle sierra]

Ik i ask this evey few months I'm sorry

[twilit canyon]

control?

https://tenor.com/view/we-haha-lol-lmfao-laughing-gif-18782275

[subtle sierra]

Sadge

[lusty trench]

We a midrange card game

[twilit canyon]

midrange value town baby

[subtle sierra]

I want to emerging ultimatum ppl again...

[twilit canyon]

control lost a lot of tools to deal with midrange

theres no reason not to play midrange in bo3 rn

[subtle sierra]

Ic

Then i shall hibernate until next set

🙏

[sleek ferry]

There’s no more TWE

[twilit canyon]

control is theoretically favored well

but

it lacks like 2-3 cards

[golden plover]

I mean, if the moose connects and they're not on black I think you just win

Moose is the largest creature baseline in the set

[subtle sierra]

Iirc we lost emperor but still have mirrex?

[golden plover]

Black has a 6/5

And red can't remove moose

[subtle sierra]

So we lack wincons and midrange answers?

[golden plover]

You can eat their 2/2s all day and you just win

[twilit canyon]

p much

mirrex is a good wincon as is anchorage

[subtle sierra]

Oh right anchorage exists

[twilit canyon]

but no memory deluge is painful vs midrange

[subtle sierra]

Oh fuck deluge rotated

[twilit canyon]

and losing march hurt a bit vs aggro

same with emperor

another midrange breaker gone

[subtle sierra]

My homie emergency lockdown still here tho

[twilit canyon]

and sunfall

both great

[subtle sierra]

True

Farewell was kamigawa right?

[twilit canyon]

yep

gone

ciao

literally

[subtle sierra]

Adios

God i need to have that meme edit on hand it's so good

[twilit canyon]

[[ciao]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “ciao”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

oh okay

[[farewell]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell

Farewell <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose one or more —
• Exile all artifacts.
• Exile all creatures.
• Exile all enchantments.
• Exile all graveyards.

[twilit canyon]

lol

[subtle sierra]

I love this one

[trail anvil]

I think control will take a while to figure out but I think it's still there in some form

losing march, emperor and deluge is really rough tho

farsight ritual doesn't seem nearly as good and spellgyre eats shit to sheoldred

march in particular answered the adventure really well. idk if you're gonna have to run some shit like ossification again lol

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZbTfH7UMOE

[golden plover]

Is this the [[Stormsplitter]] [[Beseech the Mirror]] [[Renact the Crime]] thing?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/154/stormsplitter

Stormsplitter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Haste
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a token that's a copy of Stormsplitter. Exile that token at the beginning of the next end step.
"We'll cover more ground if I split up."
1/4

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/82/beseech-the-mirror

Beseech the Mirror <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a card, exile it face down, then shuffle. If this spell was bargained, you may cast the exiled card without paying its mana cost if that spell's mana value is 4 or less. Put the exiled card into your hand if it wasn't cast this way.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/70/reenact-the-crime

Reenact the Crime <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Exile target nonland card in a graveyard that was put there from anywhere this turn. Copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
At Proft's command, an ethereal model of the ransacked workshop sprang into being, every detail perfectly recreated. He'd missed something—he knew it—but what?

[golden plover]

Because I was toying with this, but I dunno how you make it work with these mana costs

[zinc shard]

No he's playing [[Insidious Roots]] to turn his Stormsplitter copies into extra mana

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/208/insidious-roots

Insidious Roots <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Creature tokens you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
Whenever one or more creature cards leave your graveyard, create a 0/1 green Plant creature token, then put a +1/+1 counter on each Plant you control.
The roots of Vitu-Ghazi allowed Trostani to reach every crack and crevice in the city.

[golden plover]

Ah neat

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dEUYAz1p6g

[gritty nest]

yea no secret lairs are actual fucking trash now

bonus card or not doesnt outweigh the fact theyre trash

[fallow citrus]

I don't disagree with the sentiment but does prof just make this video every month or something

[gritty nest]

bonus card of one of the lairs btw

[copper pecan]

like 90% of his videos are like this

[gritty nest]

idk, but in general without watching prof i looked at these new lairs and how quickly they sold like

the value is trash

[fallow citrus]

it sure is

[gritty nest]

the art is meh to turbo shit

[fallow citrus]

but prof's annoying with it now

[gritty nest]

and the stock is trash

i used to watch prof for the cracking booster boxes and commander precon evalutations, plus a few other things

but i moved away from watching MTG creators as a whole tbh

[stark skiff]

Does wizards change anything month to month?

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fsQpdsNAd7Y

[fallow citrus]

I know your point is going to be "well he should do it if wizards don't change anything when he complains" but it doesn't stop it from beeing overdone and annoying

if I hear his "secret lair alert" thing again I will have an attack

[stark skiff]

Eh it’s his running gag at this point

[fallow citrus]

it being a gag implies it's funny

[stark skiff]

Meh intro was cool and funny to use the elevator thing the Secret Lair is weirdly based on

Also goddamn 1553 secret lairs

[zinc shard]

*Secret Lair cards

I'd lose my mind if we had over 1500 individual secret lairs

[stark skiff]

Yeah my bad 😂

How many secret lairs have there been

[gritty nest]

Yes

[twilit canyon]

he has mentioned it that unfort these kind of vids get the most views

his vids where he talks positive about magic get a fraction of the views

[sleek ferry]

Yeah he did mention that on shuffle up and play

Which made me respect it a bit more, since at least he’s aware

[twilit canyon]

doesnt make it less annoying

but damn lol

[golden plover]

Unfortunately he's gotta do it to make money to fund stuff like shuffle up and play

[gritty nest]

And living

[stark skiff]

I don’t see what’s annoying. He just does the annoying alert shit in the first minute of the video. Rest is him legit complain of the shitty system and his own personal experience

Not surprise he tried for the Monty one either lol

[sleek ferry]

The constant negativity mainly.

[twilit canyon]

its very much at the point with that meme with the thumbs up guy

[sleek ferry]

Like complaining about secret lairs is so pointless, because they were never supposed to be about value, rather a chance to get unique arts

Nobody’s being forced to buy secret lairs

[gritty nest]

I get that, but that’s just me personally. I don’t mind the cards being less than the secret lair but I at least want half the lairs value back, ignoring the bonus card because it’s unknown

[fallow citrus]

so what's annoying about it is one, it's an unfunny and repeated "joke" now, which has been going on for longer than I can even remember

[stark skiff]

he's not even doing value grades anymore. in that vid he just gave the equivalent value. he's been resigned to the unique artwork at your discretion.

[zinc shard]

man Bloomburrow draft is really skill intensive.

Every match ive had has been close

[stark skiff]

its literally a 30 second segment in like a 20 min vid. sounds like nitpicking but w/e

[fallow citrus]

lmfao lol

if I tripped over on my way out of the house that would also be annoying but consume like 30 seconds of my day

it's not nitpicking if it is just an annoying section of his videos

[stark skiff]

i mean i get your minds made up and im not trying to change it just sounds overblown that a small 30 sec of a vid is "prof is annoying now"

itd be different if he spammed it all over the video

but thats just me and ill leave it at that

[fallow citrus]

👍

[sleek ferry]

This isn’t new though, we’ve been saying prof has gotten annoying for well over a year lol

We know negativity sells, and it’s not as if he’s reached PK levels of annoyance

But it’s still annoying

95% of the negativity or controversy in mtg is usually players looking for something to complain about

A good example is people recently being mad at wotc not moving up the SET date of their banlist

[gritty nest]

PK?

[sleek ferry]

PleasantKenobi

[gritty nest]

Never heard of them

[zinc shard]

British MTG Youtuber.

This should give you an idea

[gritty nest]

His thumbnails make me dislike him

Being British isn’t even the worse aspect at this point

[zinc shard]

didnt mean that as a negative, just describing him

[twilit canyon]

also took sponsorship of what seems like a shady site

[copper pecan]

people like the professor and pk are actively making the mtg community less pleasent to be a part of with their constant negativity

[twilit canyon]

idk just pk's vibes are rancid rn

[copper pecan]

ironic that his name is pleasent kenobi when he is very unpleasent

[twilit canyon]

wym

do u not love cum jokes

is it not funny to swear

are u not entertained that hes fake as hell for views

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/40uR7jZrO3k?si=fe_0UyvDjYXK4sbU

[glad peak]

I love how this randomly got big and more people are thinking about playing it

[sleek ferry]

Concordia’s live reaction:

“Wow he’s British? What a piece of shit”

[twilit canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkmqxHGN2LU

speaking of a good content creator

who is not annoying about drama while still calling out wotc

[trail anvil]

they really know how to put on a performance

[granite badge]

I think my fav mtg content creator is the roster on mtg goldfish(mainly saffron)

[golden plover]

Arena staff did give me a refund for my Sealed game

God [[Three Tree City]] is unplayable in limited, huh?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/260/three-tree-city

Three Tree City

Legendary Land
As Three Tree City enters, choose a creature type.
: Add .
, : Choose a color. Add an amount of mana of that color equal to the number of creatures you control of the chosen type.

[trail anvil]

pretty sure a lot of ramp that isn't also a creature usually is

[golden plover]

Yeah for sure. But Three Tree is a nothing card in draft

[twilit canyon]

this is true of many lands

[zinc shard]

I was not aware this set had a 1 mana 2/2

[trail anvil]

I will say a number of the tribal lands in bloomburrow are an exception though

the red one is actually crazy good value with valiant and haste is haste

[lusty trench]

I’d argue it’s unplayable almost anywhere

Casual commander maybe?

[trail anvil]

there are a decent number of go-wide types

[broken fjord]

It's mostly fine in go wide tokens. It's subpar anywhere else. Sadly.

[trail anvil]

man the bloomburrow commander art for swords I think is the best art so far

lowkey wanna replace all of my current ones with this

[atomic harness]

wow kid what about nykthos

[trail anvil]

idk lol I wasn't around for that standard

[atomic harness]

me neither tbh

[glad peak]

I don’t remember that being any good in draft either

Was great in standard because the set prior had cards specifically meant to play well with it

I also don’t remember removal being that great in that standard (desecration demon and pack rat were huge threats)

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/respectthecat90/status/1818968791243423849?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

RespectTheCat🐈 (@RespectTheCat90) on X

Helga Trophy🏆 #1
definitly should have lost the Nadu Match, but Opponent boarded out Oracle. Idk why he did 5min Endurance loop when he could just have attacked me for lethal next turn🤷‍♂️ but when i believe twitter, losses to Nadu don't count anyway, so a clean sweep.

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 11:15 AM

[golden plover]

I'm surprised to see how many Bloomburrow cards are showing up in other formats

I only had my eye on a few

But it definitely looks like a sleeper powerful set

[glad peak]

Oh I completely forgot they printed
worse up the beanstalk

[golden plover]

Insanely tough p1p1

The pick was Dragonhawk btw

You wanna force Red in this draft, and Dragonhawk is a much better payoff here

Lumara is stupid good too tho

[lusty trench]

vinelasher flamechache and dragon hawk
Only thing that would’ve made that better is the 4 mana rat that on etb torment of hailfires

Crazy pool

[golden plover]

Yeah lizards was somehow super free despite it being the best deck imo

And this makes it even crazier

Dragonhawk alone wins you games

Shit does like 10 damage a turn

Honestly, does Dragonhawk have a home as a topend in some aggro deck?

He's really fun, and burning for minimum 7 a turn is nasty

[sleek ferry]

I wouldn't say sleeper powerful, the set is just really well made

which is not always obvious with typal sets

due to the obvious inflexibility of a lot of cards

[golden plover]

I just know that a lot of the cards were getting shat on when reveal

Saw a lot of "I don't even think they'll see standard play"

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gxzVXzEgo

[golden plover]

God the bug where you can't view an opponent's graveyard while they have priority is actually genuinely a problem

[trail anvil]

seeing josh play group hug oughta be fun

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/X1y7LbmZlSU

Idk who has won yet, but I'm cheering on Lesbian Pirate deck

[golden plover]

Good news: We're getting BG3 cards with their updated designs

https://preview.redd.it/ume4l38w73gd1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43564be1130eebfd13aa93c8fdcee59e64e73b52

https://preview.redd.it/pexgh48w73gd1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12053394b11c22d673869b06089086c706b87f73

[twilit canyon]

someone in another server had asked me to cook a budget modern rakdos list

[golden plover]

Bad news: Limited run secret lair

[twilit canyon]

but didnt want it ultimately

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/8IKcS-1U9EGZrZ3HaXLaeA

so if anyone wants a sub 200 modern deck

here ya go

[golden plover]

So no one is gonna be able to buy these...

[lusty trench]

I'm still mad how awful astarion is

[twilit canyon]

but you arent mad at how awful the rest of them are?

biased much/

[gritty nest]

Isn’t karlach the like, best one? Or am I misremembering

[golden plover]

Karlach is marginally okay

[lusty trench]

Gale and Shadowheart are fun build arounds, laezel has a niche in casual planes walker commanders

Astarion is just unplayable anywhere

[golden plover]

Wyll, Gale, Shadowheart, and Laezel are all a casual playable

Astarion is awful

Turns out being a 6 mana 4/4 death touch lifelink does that for you

[lusty trench]

Also dogshit representation of him as a character

[golden plover]

Most kinda are

Considering they were based on the beta designs

But yeah, sucks that the only time the cast is gonna get updated art is a SL

Sucks even more it's broken up into 2 lairs for greed purposes

[gritty nest]

Plus like 3 extra lairs for more potential money

[golden plover]

HOPEFULLY the 3 extra lairs aren't all Baldur's Gate

It's supposed to be a DnD 50th anniversary thing and if all 5 are BG3, that'd be a huge miss

[lusty trench]

Eh gales recasting ability works well enough as him remembering how to cast spells he once could, laezel is kinda huh what, at the very least she should've been Boros, shadow heart is great at the whole pain thing, karlachs is good at the rampages she has, wyll is also awful at representing him, jaheria is strange too, and minsc and boo are perfect

It's a very mixed bag

[golden plover]

And Minthra is boring

Can't forget about Minthra

[lusty trench]

Me who usually just yeets her into a hole when I play the game

[golden plover]

But yeah, ideally the whole cast is in the 2 lairs

Ideally the cast should have been in one lair

[lusty trench]

I mean ideally they'd be one lair

[gritty nest]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they just

[golden plover]

Yeah

[gritty nest]

Didn’t add the rest

[golden plover]

They'll make them random bonus cards or whatever

[gritty nest]

Because astarion and karlach are the two main ones most thirst for

[golden plover]

Id like to see Wyll with his horns

[lusty trench]

Eh shadow heart too so she's probably in there

[golden plover]

Wyll has them for like 75% of the game

[lusty trench]

I just want to see if they'll do new minsc and boo art

[golden plover]

Minsc and Boo is like $50

[copper pecan]

karlach is good in alchemy

[golden plover]

They're not gonna put him in a lair lmao

[copper pecan]

wait actually nvm she rotated out

[lusty trench]

Could you imagine they reprint the OG minsc and boo and not the planeswalker

[golden plover]

They 100% would

It's the $0.50 card and not the $50 one

Oh timeless heroes actually dropped to like $5

I guess he could get put in the lair

He'll be the "value card"

[lusty trench]

Iirc didn't he shoot up cause he was playable in legacy or something

[golden plover]

Watch the bonus cards be 1 of the 5 ancient dragons randomly

[gritty nest]

Minsc and Boo, Timeless Heroes?

[golden plover]

He was $50 for a bit because of legacy. He's $5 now

[gritty nest]

Yea was about to say

I just looked it up on TCGplayer

[golden plover]

But yeah, 1 in 5 lottery chance for an [[Ancient Copper Dragon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/161/ancient-copper-dragon

Ancient Copper Dragon <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elder Dragon
Flying
Whenever Ancient Copper Dragon deals combat damage to a player, roll a d20. You create a number of Treasure tokens equal to the result.
6/5

[lusty trench]

Nah, 99% of lairs have baulders gate as a bonus card, 1% have an ancient dragon

[gritty nest]

“The super rare chase bonus card would be a Boo token” - friend

[golden plover]

Nah it's all about random $0.50 elves now

Still bonus card dragons, but instead of a thematic bonus, it's just a random elf

[gritty nest]

Arbor elf

Or an elf with no effect

[golden plover]

Lemme check the elves

It's actually

Elvish Vanguard, Elvish Visionary, Evolution Sage, Fierce Empath, Farhaven Elf, Frilled Mystic, Generous Patron, Ivy League Denizen, Lllanowar Visionary, Nettle Sentinel, Lys Alana Huntsmaster, Paradise Druid, Wirewood Symbiote, and a few other whatever elves

There's a couple okay ones in the list, and some stuff people want for elf commander decks

But they're all just borderless

[trail anvil]

I just wanna know why he says target opponent at 6 mana

[golden plover]

Oh my God he does

[trail anvil]

just all around why is he 6 mana

[golden plover]

Why did I think he was "all opponents"

Jesus he's even worse

[trail anvil]

maybe they were afraid of orzhov one shotting a table given they have a ton of pingers that cause loss of life but idk

I feel like damage doublers in red are comparable

[golden plover]

I mean hes in a straight to commander set

He could have been a little stronger, but CL2 was a dud all around

[trail anvil]

||damn jimmy just did not get to play this game lmao. olivia's win was fun though||

[lusty trench]

Commander legends 2 was one of those odd sets where all the power was focused into a few cards

[golden plover]

Aka the ancient dragons and nothing else

[lusty trench]

Ehh displacer kitten, archivists of ogma, battle angels of tyr, passionate archaeologist, black market connections

I’d argue all of those are better than the ancients

[golden plover]

Oh right forgot about displacer and archivist

Black market connections is like fine

[lusty trench]

I love being built differently

[zinc shard]

I love this game

[sleek ferry]

Just a typical poison game

[zinc shard]

trying to focus on making my own decks instead of netdecking this season, mana base is a mess but loving this

[trail anvil]

does this not run out of steam real quick if you run into a board wipe?

[zinc shard]

hasnt happened so far but I have [[Eerie Soultender]] and [[Faerie Dreamthief]] to help recover

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/92/eerie-soultender

Eerie Soultender <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Spirit Cleric
When Eerie Soultender enters, mill three cards. (To mill a card, put the top card of your library into your graveyard.)
, Exile Eerie Soultender from your graveyard: Return another target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
3/1

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/89/faerie-dreamthief

Faerie Dreamthief <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Faerie Warlock
Flying
When Faerie Dreamthief enters, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
, Exile Faerie Dreamthief from your graveyard: You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

the most popular sweeper is [[sunfall]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/40/sunfall

Sunfall <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Exile all creatures. Incubate X, where X is the number of creatures exiled this way. (Create an Incubator token with X +1/+1 counters on it and ": Transform this artifact." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
"Let the light scour away your imperfect flesh." —Heliod

[golden plover]

Every time I remember that Fury is "any number of creatures" and not up to 2 I die a bit more

Absolutely miserable card to play against

[zinc shard]

yea decks not the best im more so just trying to learn how to deck build

[trail anvil]

fair enough

[gritty nest]

Found a bunch of these for under 10 bucks. Do I buy?

[trail anvil]

yes, fill a binder with them

why am I seeing so much rakdos sellsword combo in bo1 rn? did some content creator make this?

[gritty nest]

I have a binder with holy cows now but it’s not full

[golden plover]

I like how people are surprised [[Ocelot Pride]] is good and seeing a lot of play. When a 1 drop does that many things, no shit

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/38/ocelot-pride

Ocelot Pride <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
First strike, lifelink
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
At the beginning of your end step, if you gained life this turn, create a 1/1 white Cat creature token. Then if you have the city's blessing, for each token you control that entered this turn, create a token that's a copy of it.
1/1

[sleek ferry]

It’s fine

[golden plover]

I mean it's a $50 4-of in some of the best decks in modern and timeless, I'd say it's more than fine

[copper pecan]

yeah this seems like a very strong card

making a token every turn for 1 mana is pretty good and this walls ragavan

[golden plover]

Also consider in the energy shell it doesn't even need to attack to make the tokens

T1 you drop soul guide, T2 ocelot and hold mana for a bolt/swords/whatever

You get a token and 2 energy

And it's a cat for Ajani in that deck too

[fallow citrus]

there were some pretty good reasons why it might not have been as good as people thought it was

same as people didn't believe in phlage at first

sometimes theory isn't correct

[golden plover]

I still don't see how people thought Phlage was bad???

It's the only titan to immediately impact board presence

That alone should have made it very clearly a solid card

[fallow citrus]

I mean uro also impacts board presence immediately

[golden plover]

I can see "dies to Bowmasters" for ocelot

[fallow citrus]

the theory was that it's overcosted helix until you can escape it

[golden plover]

But I legit can't see how people thought Phlage was a bad card

[twilit canyon]

ocelot is the definition of finr

[fallow citrus]

a lot of people put ocelot in the frame of playing it over ragavan

or as direct competition

[golden plover]

It's definitely not a comparable card

They do different things for different decks, yeah

But a lot of people did go "it's worse than ragavan"

[twilit canyon]

it is

thats true

[fallow citrus]

worse than ragavan but happens to combo with other cards to be good

[twilit canyon]

it is an awkward little card

cus u cant curve it from guide of souls efficiently

and having it go first is gonna have it eat shit

[golden plover]

I mean, holding 1 for galvanic isn't bad

[twilit canyon]

which can kill your energy gen

[golden plover]

With guide, you've got 5 up for removal

And you probably don't need 5 on t2

[twilit canyon]

2

is the average

still not great to hold it

[golden plover]

2 from ocelot and the token, 3 from galvanic itself. You're probably keeping 3-4 energy for next turn

[twilit canyon]

you wanna curve out

[twilit canyon]

ik

im saying 2 energy is all u really need t2

very few 2 drops with 3 toughness

[golden plover]

Oh yeah true. There's not much that can survive the 2 as is

[fallow citrus]

hm

might be time for me to resub to manatraders and dip my toes back into modern

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkuXhkKH9s

[sudden lava]

Btw

there is 40 Four+ CMC gruul vehicles

Something to think about

[glad peak]

There are also a decent amount of 4+ cmc stax pieces and stax loves beaters and card draw

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-scooter-gif-4447029

Trash panda chucking cars and stax deck go?

[lusty trench]

Vivian

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-leaving-patrick-star-mr-krabs-squidward-gif-22962728

Kaito instead of Jace is certainly a choice

Rest of them though happy for em

[fallow citrus]

oh cool

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/announcing-mystery-booster-2

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-empty-box-gif-13080343

[trail anvil]

jace and vraska are off raising their stolen adopted fur baby

I would've figured ajani would've hung it up after getting phyrexianized but I guess he got that cat in him

[twilit canyon]

yeah

its a 2/1

actually he has multiple cats in him

but thats interesting though i wonder if it means these 5 will have permanent walker cards in standard

[sleek ferry]

Alright, new dream acquired, I want to draft this with everybody here

[trail anvil]

we should probably organize just one game together before we even think about that lol

[pulsar talon]

What's the name of the unofficial sim again?

[trail anvil]

there's a number of them, but cockatrice is the client and untap.in is an online one

cockatrice is like duelingbook in a client

[lusty trench]

Apparently mystery box 2 is secret lair store only

On another note I may crash out over this info

[golden plover]

Oh no

Why can't they give some to LGSes

The first one was stupid fun to draft (convention edition)

[rigid scarab]

Even me?

[last glen]

Damn Nissa in the mud

[stark skiff]

See you all at Vegas

[trail anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/Z43S7TV02M

this is literally just a foil card?

[stark skiff]

lmao damn i wanted to buy that one but it literally sold out today smfh

now i dont feel so bad

just wanted it for Sorin and Tezzert tbh

[golden plover]

Most lairs have a regular and a rare card. The regular rn is s random fucking elf

[trail anvil]

weird

[golden plover]

Could've been [[Frilled Mystic]] ig

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/183/frilled-mystic

Frilled Mystic <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elf Lizard Wizard
Flash
When Frilled Mystic enters, you may counter target spell.
"Your arrival was expected...and unwelcome."
3/2

[golden plover]

Previously it was slivers

[trail anvil]

apparently someone else pulled that

[golden plover]

Oh damn

That sucks

[golden plover]

Damn, really wish this wasn't Secret Lair Store only

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583744045726040084/1269109339323371611/gjiv8xlpqcgd1.png?ex=66aeddad&is=66ad8c2d&hm=26a4ac96a023b79dae373719b22ba41dabd981a0de6c27a1c07453429f028090&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=496&height=662

incredibly cursed

[golden plover]

Wait is this a commander draft?

Although I guess it doesn't matter since it's gonna be unlikely to get to even draft it

[copper pecan]

i don't think they've said either way

[golden plover]

Command tower doesn't make sense if not

[gritty nest]

Me adding [[Natures Will]] and [[Aggravated Assault]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/chk/230/natures-will

Nature's Will <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, tap all lands that player controls and untap all lands you control.
"Without the kami to speak to nature on our behalf, we must beg help from nature directly." —Seshiro the Anointed

https://scryfall.com/card/ons/185/aggravated-assault

Aggravated Assault <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
: Untap all creatures you control. After this main phase, there is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase. Activate only as a sorcery.

[trail anvil]

anyone know a good commander for not wanting to win the game but it's not group hug?

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/4/1/41e58eb8-e5b9-4ef6-be1f-00e28cebb998.jpg?1722441006

[twilit canyon]

to waste time?

[gritty nest]

are you trying to just durdle but keep the game going or are you trying to solitaire

[trail anvil]

nah just to do some shit

[gritty nest]

Ur-Dragon

[trail anvil]

smh talkin shit on my empty headed boi

[gritty nest]

i dont know of many durdle commanders tbh Komi, so I dont think I can really help

but can I ask you for your opinion on 2 cards I got for Bello

[trail anvil]

sure

[gritty nest]

[[Dual Nature]] and [[Life Finds A Way]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/112/dual-nature

Dual Nature <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken creature enters, its controller creates a token that's a copy of that creature.
Whenever a nontoken creature leaves the battlefield, exile all tokens with the same name as that creature.
When Dual Nature leaves the battlefield, exile all tokens created with Dual Nature.

https://scryfall.com/card/rex/5/life-finds-a-way

Life Finds a Way <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken creature you control with power 4 or greater enters, populate. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
"Life breaks free. It expands to new territories and crashes through barriers. Painfully, maybe even dangerously. But, uh, well there it is." —Ian Malcolm

[gritty nest]

cast an enchantment, bello allows it to be copied because of Dual Nature, cast more stuff, Life Finds a Way to make more copies of those tokens

[trail anvil]

does love finds a way work without dual nature?

also dual nature is symmetrical, hopefully you're fine with that lol

[gritty nest]

im fine with it

and if i make more copies of stuff with life before dual nature dies, then the tokens created via life stick, but otherwise life doesnt work to copy artifacts and enchantments without Dual Nature to make the first set of tokens

[glad peak]

He’s probably the fastest win commander other than rogsi and other turbo rog lists lol

[golden plover]

Lmao

[gritty nest]

What do you guys think of [[!Tender Wildguide]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/196/tender-wildguide

Tender Wildguide

[sleek ferry]

Kinda slow compared to other offspring creatures

[gritty nest]

Even if it’s basically 4 mana for 2 dorks? Sorry, I should specify, thoughts on it for commander?

[golden plover]

Most dorks are 1 mana. 4 for 2 is a bad deal

[gritty nest]

Fair enough

[golden plover]

Why is this PHANTOM when it's TWICE the price of regular sealed?

[sleek ferry]

Good point actually

It should def not be phantom

[golden plover]

There's 0 reason you shouldn't get to keep the cards

You only qualify if you get 6 wins

And you only break even on 5+

[lusty trench]

at minimum 12 games
Id die

[golden plover]

It's best of 1

[lusty trench]

Oh

6 games
Id die

[golden plover]

So the maximum is 7 games

Still, shouldn't be phantom

[golden plover]

Honestly I kinda love that ponder

[golden plover]

https://x.com/lrrmtg/status/1819749599952732390?s=46&t=byGe0dhHv-krRTaPKz-sgA

LoadingReadyMtG (@LRRMtG) on X

First booster of Mystery Booster. Sorry to the spoiler sites for overlap, actively drafting.

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 2:58 PM

Wait why did I think [[Manabond]] was RL

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/179/manabond

Manabond <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, you may reveal your hand and put all land cards from it onto the battlefield. If you do, discard your hand.

[fallow citrus]

I really like that white border

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/jfwong/status/1819750448334594085?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jimmy Wong (@jfwong) on X

Uhhhhhhhh
@GavinVerhey

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 3:01 PM

[sleek ferry]

Feed the swarm pog

[copper pecan]

playtest cards

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1269313914903203951/IMG_20240803_172007.jpg?ex=66af9c34&is=66ae4ab4&hm=1f0ab3c5c7b06fc1b34cec806640fc3e2e3311453454e9c2cfee466400d72e0a&=&format=webp&width=618&height=662

[sleek ferry]

[[laughing jasper flint]] has been overperforming in testing btw

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/215/laughing-jasper-flint

Laughing Jasper Flint <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Rogue
Creatures you control but don't own are Mercenaries in addition to their other types.
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top X cards of target opponent's library, where X is the number of outlaws you control. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those cards, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells.
4/3

[sleek ferry]

You want to have a top end with lizards? Take your opponents

[twilit canyon]

they did the thing

[copper pecan]

outjerked again

[twilit canyon]

they referenced the abandon hope gag

[sleek ferry]

Let’s see how many of you can pass this test

https://x.com/jfwong/status/1819749688045949304?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jimmy Wong (@jfwong) on X

Pack 1 Pick 1 at the first ever Mystery Booster 2 draft, what ya taking?!

@Gen_Con @GavinVerhey

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 2:58 PM

There’s like 1, maybe 2 very real choices

[golden plover]

You Compleate Me or Nature's Claim ngl

Nature's Claim is historically insanely good in certain limiteds

And You Compleate Me isn't the best pick, but it's funny

[twilit canyon]

its iroas not for strength but for chad energies

[golden plover]

See I think You Compleate Me is even more chad

You're sitting there with like no life but free mana and draw

Iroas is funny too tho

[twilit canyon]

you compleat me is the clear busted one

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/goberthicks/status/1819761569711988744?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Olivia at GenCon! #2143 (@goberthicks) on X

With art by Dan Frazier 👀

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 3:45 PM

[twilit canyon]

would still play every yime

*time

[golden plover]

Yeah this is just free mana

You can only use it 4 times but still

https://preview.redd.it/qfqwjeq0vggd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=7566147e26cc8ca56ee72980bfec7a6aad29a1df

Ohh love this counterspell

God the more I see of this set the more I wish it was actually a set you could buy

It being SL store only is gonna make it super hard to get a hold of

Other cards in their hand are Gush, T3f, and Archivist of Ogma

https://preview.redd.it/3gvd6ulswggd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=03d339b49b10a265bd9ec98531c62514e5b8650f

God this set is loaded

[granite badge]

we turning this game into duel masters now

[golden plover]

What the fuck

[copper pecan]

reading the card explains the card

[golden plover]

Also, omenpath to Naya would just be stupid good in constructed

Untapped three color lands?

[twilit canyon]

fortunately its naya

[golden plover]

I mean, Naya has been a solid deck in the past

If these ever got printed, Naya aggro in standard would go insane

[lusty trench]

Heart of the duelist is funny

[twilit canyon]

nah it'd lose to glissa and shelly still

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/a40pg56kahgd1.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d90f109ea88a47933bdea3a9a35665ef71c178ac

[twilit canyon]

@clever sun look at that ballista

[clever sun]

OH THAT'S THE MODO ART

[lusty trench]

That's a sexy ass ballista

[golden plover]

This guy is ridiculously busted

2/2 flier for 2 with no downside that also lets you know whether or not mulliganing for your combo is better

[clever sun]

The downside is a 2/2 flyer for 2

[golden plover]

2/2 flier for 2 is already on rate

[clever sun]

Horrendous rate nowdays

[golden plover]

I actually don't think we've seen it passed? Except for like Nadu

[clever sun]

Especially on a vanilla

The new Stormdrake is a 3/2

[golden plover]

The "downside" there is the opponent gets it tho

2/2 for 2 is usually fine

[clever sun]

Does it? I rarely see the ability resolve thanks to Dress Down

[golden plover]

And being able to look at 2 before mulliganing is kinda silly

[clever sun]

Yeah but this is the most force pitch card

of all time

[copper pecan]

a 2/2 with flying for 2 is a great rate

[clever sun]

I'm not casting a 2/2 for 2 with flying

[copper pecan]

in limited, which this was designed for

[golden plover]

This would still see constructed play if it was legal

[clever sun]

Yeah for combo decks

[golden plover]

Combo decks and similar would run it to know if the mulligan is correct

[copper pecan]

[[tomik distinguished]] saw standard play

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/31/tomik-distinguished-advokist

Tomik, Distinguished Advokist <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Flying
Lands on the battlefield and land cards in graveyards can't be the targets of spells or abilities your opponents control.
Your opponents can't play land cards from graveyards.
"Some bend the law. I tie it into knots."
2/3

[clever sun]

Not because it's a powerful creature on its own merit

[golden plover]

You're likely not casting him, but you take a look at your mulligan and pitch to force

[clever sun]

Yeah exactly

[golden plover]

It's basically a hand trap

And magic doesn't need hand traps

[clever sun]

We already have a ton

[golden plover]

I mean outside of like the forces? Very few and almost all of them have been format defining

But yeah, this would be crazy outside of mystery booster limited

[twilit canyon]

for combo lists yea tho idt all combo lists can afford it

else devourer would be seeing play in all combo lists rn

but thats not the case

[clever sun]

Devourer needs to commit the hand you keep

But it is strictly better

[golden plover]

Devourer also is a much stricter casting cost

[twilit canyon]

cast?

[golden plover]

And doesn't pitch to the elementals or force

[twilit canyon]

why are u casting shit that doesnt matter to ur combo

ur setting up a turn 2

[golden plover]

I know you're not usually casting either but if for some reason you need to cast one, the bird is easier

[clever sun]

In a combo list you have way more productive things to do for two

[fallow citrus]

oh sick wasteland too

https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1819780098976825635?t=neWPHoSis2Amb2WNdX4muw&s=19

Saffron Olive (@SaffronOlive) on X

White border cards returning in Mystery Boosters 2 is super sweet!

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 4:59 PM

[golden plover]

Also you don't even have to mulligan for the bird

You can keep a good hand and look at the top 2

[clever sun]

Yeah it's a fateseal yourself for 2

I just don't think you ever need to cast it in a combo list.

[lusty trench]

THESE SICK BASTARDS

[copper pecan]

outjerked

[glad peak]

He’s right

I can’t believe it

Commander is actually saving us

Berserker’s onslaught in bello is nice

Draw 2 for each hit

[trail anvil]

[[berserker's onslaught]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/130/berserkers-onslaught

Berserkers' Onslaught <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Attacking creatures you control have double strike.
"Atarka's people starve while she feasts upon the bounty of their hunts. They must conquer ever more lands just for the sake of their own subsistence." —Arel, Unseen Whisperer

[trail anvil]

o ye

[fallow citrus]

idk why but I read that as "double haste"

[trail anvil]

[[rocket-powered turbo slug]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/unh/87/rocket-powered-turbo-slug

Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Slug
Super haste (This may attack the turn before you cast it. (You may put this card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking during your declare attackers step. If you do, you lose the game at the beginning of your next turn's end step unless you pay this card's mana cost during that turn.))
Did you go through all the trouble to unscramble this?
3/1

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1269398490681966695/image0.jpg?ex=66afeaf8&is=66ae9978&hm=9a2d1e67ad97d495c705a0b227b87e421d0eef768cbec6467d5984f91e4a9683&=&format=webp&width=883&height=662

card in the center is apparently from the japan-only sega dreamcast game?

[golden plover]

Yeah it uses 1-5 randomly in the game

So it's slightly buffed

[trail anvil]

isn't it nerfed cause it can be 0-5 instead?

[copper pecan]

yeah it's nerfed not buffed

wait actually never mind apparently it can be zero in the dreamcast game too

[golden plover]

@lusty trench literally why

Love shooting myself in the foot for sales for literally no reason

[trail anvil]

nah doing this with playtest cards to make it a special thing makes sense to me

compared to secret lairs that are large scale products with all legal to play cards

[golden plover]

Nah there's mechanically unique cards in the set

Not even counting the playtest cards

Velukan Dragon indicates that

This set should be available at LGSes too

[trail anvil]

that one I'm sure they meant to make it hard to obtain

it's very much a promo type of card

[polar lake]

yeah but that doesnt appease the board members tho

[golden plover]

Anything that's a playable game piece should have a regular print somewhere

This is just a bad decision

[[Mardu Outrider]] also got it's first paper print

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https://scryfall.com/card/anb/52/mardu-outrider

Mardu Outrider <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Orc Warrior
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
5/5

[golden plover]

Gavin confirmed a couple other Arena to paper prints too

[copper pecan]

the only one i can think of that would work in paper and would be actually useful is [[inspiring commander]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/oana/4/inspiring-commander

Inspiring Commander <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever another creature with power 2 or less enters under your control, you gain 1 life and draw a card.
1/4

[golden plover]

There's also [[Hallowed Priest]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/anb/9/hallowed-priest

Hallowed Priest <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on Hallowed Priest.
1/1

[golden plover]

He's a relevant creature type and another Ajani's Pridemate

But yeah, if these are gonna be in the product, it needs to be available at LGSes

LoR as a creature

So that's Duel Masters, LoR, Marvel Snap, and Yugioh

I'd wager we'll see a pokemon and HS one too then

[[Wickerwing Effigy]] is also a valid candidate for arena cards

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https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/61/wickerwing-effigy

Wickerwing Effigy <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Defender
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
Whenever you cast a creature spell from your library, it becomes a black Bird in addition to its other colors and types, has flying, and has base power and toughness 1/1.
1/4

[golden plover]

There's nothing this does that has to be digital

[copper pecan]

it'd be annoying to track the birdness of the creatures

[golden plover]

They've done similar prior

Just have a little counter on it

This looks wrong

[copper pecan]

this is cursed

this is why they locked him in the underworld

[stark skiff]

White borders so ugly

Kill it all with fire

[fallow citrus]

it doesn't work on some cards I agree

but it's growing on me

[copper pecan]

it doesn't look good on gold cards imo but i think it looks good on blue ones

[fallow citrus]

oh for sure

I also really like the future sight treatment on cards

[stark skiff]

Future Sight is okay. Don’t really feel one way or the other about it but white borders are a crime

[golden plover]

I like future sight on non-creatures

[lusty trench]

Reality chip my beloved cycle my entire deck

[stark skiff]

Todays pickups. Fallout and Lord of the Rings Surge Foils, last 3 Foil Surveil lands I needed, and just foils in general @meager isle @atomic harness @rigid scarab @sleek ferry

also holy crap is the Field of the Dead SLD/Special Guest foil shooting up fast

[trail anvil]

lmao I know this is a prozd reference but this could actually be run in tayam

[trail anvil]

best felidar sovereign but smh not the side profile mikaeus?

[stark skiff]

haha yeah not a fan of the side profile cards

[trail anvil]

but that's the best one

actually azusa is but the mikaeus is so gorillaz-esque

[gritty nest]

I want the indicate test card to be honest

[meager isle]

I still need to get surveil lands lol

[stark skiff]

Wao kid do you even magic

[sleek ferry]

He’s broke from getting his playset of Tamiyos

Textured

Take notes

[meager isle]

I got the basic bitch tamiyo

[stark skiff]

I always knew I was the poorest one here

[sleek ferry]

Concordia’s the richest

Followed by bio

Then Ren

This is the up to date lizards list I’m running btw

I keep forgetting to switch go for the throat to 2 and 2 shoot the sheriff

[trail anvil]

have you encountered a decent amount of artifacts, either simic or synthesizer?

also finally got to 7-2 with this draft

[atomic harness]

Good stuff thugerino and komers

[sleek ferry]

Synthesizer all the time yes

It’s an annoying matchup

But you can just side in brotherhood’s end for them

Or race them

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MbuwK1pdCrOCviKWebPyurycmELfF3798_5-e89x6gI/https/www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Dairy-Cow.jpg?format=webp

WAIT A MINUTE

ProZD card!

oh Komi already posted it

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/EBIsZlV1jHk

yup, prozd reference

[trail anvil]

yeah

[stark skiff]

Always knew Ren was strapped

Bought this just to cope that I’m on the poor list

[twilit canyon]

i think u can run 95% of this deck in alchemy and itd be better there

less competition

[sudden lava]

dairy cow comboes with megasloth btw

[trail anvil]

man alchemy with its faster rotation sounds interesting right now but I still don't have enough wildcards for that format 😭

[sleek ferry]

Probably, ngl I’ve spammed well over 100 games on this deck already and I’m already a little bored of it

So I’m making like the slightest adjustments every 10 games or so

[twilit canyon]

its honestly great rn

since its 90% the latest standard cards from otj, mkm, ixalan, eldraine and new bloomburrow

it means as long as u have been keeping up with the current standard releases u will be good to catch up

[trail anvil]

is heist still bonkers

also when are we unnerfing meathook

[twilit canyon]

heist was never insane

it was good

but it wasnt broken

it lost lands and it has also lost some of the better removals like cut down

no shelly + nerfed ring to lean back on either

[trail anvil]

ic

[zinc shard]

Saw this on Reddit

[trail anvil]

oh my fucking christ
runed terror
runeterra

I'm wondering what the fuck this name had to do with the effect, some mtg card designer deeply misses lor

they must've been an old lux player with all those 6s

also this card is really fun

apparently this is a marvel snap reference but also just a fun idea, "scoop now or risk losing the match at once"

[twilit canyon]

oh yeah thats marvel snap reference

its the snap mechanic

where u can basically call a bluff or put forth a bluff

and see if an opponent bites. if they concede, they dont lose as many points. if they go through and lose, they lose a ton of points.

[trail anvil]

ye pushing all-in

god crokeyz is gonna pill me on frogs

very appropriate deck for him btw

[twilit canyon]

dont hop on the trend quite yet

even in his play test session with the deck, it flubbed a lot

[trail anvil]

haha no it didn't silly flubs is a temur deck

it has so much advantage though and cool sequencing

I'll follow it for now but it looks really fun even if isn't the best

clement bouncing mockingbird

[glad peak]

Flubs might be the best commander in the set just because of how fast you can turbo kill

[trail anvil]

I'm sure it's annoying but I just love the thought of empty brain boi just popping off insanely hard

[atomic harness]

Nice pickups little @stark skiff

Rich man

[zinc shard]

I should not have won this lol

[trail anvil]

always feels satisfying to beat roxanne, that deck rushes hella fast

reanimating their prime time is such a fuckin amazing feeling

[trail anvil]

@twilit canyon my first thought seeing the exile print in the mystery booster

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/Oritart/status/1819946612757540981

Elaine recovering from surgery (@Oritart) on X

new mtg set
ask wizards if the set is commander or competitive
they dont understand >pull out illustrated diagram explaing what is commander and what is competitive
they laugh and say “it’s a standard legal set sir”
buy a box
its commander

Twitter · Aug 4, 2024, 4:01 AM

[gritty nest]

Poor my ass

[stark skiff]

woah cap @sleek ferry confirmed the forbes top 5 richest mtg players in this server and your third kid

[stark skiff]

sir youre the richest confirmed by @sleek ferry

[gritty nest]

By who

[stark skiff]

^

[gritty nest]

The only thing I’m rich in is being overweight

I don’t get what makes me rich though

Like is it the stuff I buy or?

But that’s a question for @sleek ferry

[golden plover]

God this set needs to get released the normal way

[twilit canyon]

bye felicia

[golden plover]

Wait... Now that we're not getting the list, where are we getting the Universes Within versions of the Doctor Who and Tomb Raider cards and stuff?

[gritty nest]

I think the universes within versions of the doctor who cards are gonna be near impossible to do

Tomb Raider I don’t get why it hasn’t been done yet

[golden plover]

Yeah the Universes Within for the Doctor Who cards are a logistical nightmare, but they promised that every mechanically unique secret lair card would get one

So they've gotta find out something ig

[copper pecan]

maybe they could use the special guest sheet for that

[golden plover]

I guess, but I think people wouldn't be too happy to see them in the SG slots?

Unless they expand the special guest slots for that set

[gritty nest]

~~I realized they may be right, I picked up a steam deck today ~~

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/f3q91tph7qgd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=52a1dc662013adf13a7bf97252ccb0d58e535dad

What the hell

[trail anvil]

that's so weird lol, has no other effect

https://melee.gg/Decklist/View/422646 weird-ass deck winning a 113-person standard event

I didn't think I'd see grabby giant in a standard list

[rigid scarab]

Should be black

We're out of white

[trail anvil]

https://melee.gg/Decklist/View/422164 domain ramp with surveil lands too

[polar lake]

did anyone see the Yugioh Playtest Card reference

theres also a duel masters one too im pretty sure

[lusty trench]

Huh... That's... Not a playtest card

It's a legal card that can be used

With no art

[lusty trench]

Heart of the duelist?

IS THAT A MAGUS OF THE CHAIN OF MEPHISTOPHELES

[golden plover]

Yeah

[trail anvil]

legal is a stretch

but yeah

[rigid scarab]

Nice greater good

Adventure lands are an interesting concept

The land half would have to be shit though

[trail anvil]

I mean the fact that the draw side costs 6 mana is pretty shit yeah lol

it just means that drawing it in the lategame isn't completely dead, but this seems like a worse mdfc due to the cost tbh

[twilit canyon]

land so immune to thoughtseize

[trail anvil]

that is an upside but again I think I'd rather just run a land in formats where it matters

I don't realistically see myself casting this on turn 6 unless the game has gotten to a topdecking war or I'm in draft

[golden plover]

I mean, it's a decent enough dual to have the option to draw off it

[copper pecan]

i kinda love this

[lusty trench]

That's really nice yeah

[lusty trench]

Now I can draw more dreadmaws in the boarder

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/B_NkHM54c2M?si=0BJIyyWxhBjwVK_U

[gritty nest]

Berserk

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/d_aWvJJCHng?si=aaU1SwE0vRxKJ_Ds

This deck is pretty solid

But holy fuck

The guy playing is soooo bad

[gritty nest]

@sleek ferry

[trail anvil]

lol a lot of the comments are saying they were happy to see joe get stomped cause he usually brings high powered decks to casual pods, I've only seen him on command zone so I didn't even know that

||those were certainly 2 quick games||

[sleek ferry]

Oh what’s up?

[stark skiff]

Wild bear attack!

[sleek ferry]

Rich boy

[gritty nest]

I pinged you like twice earlier asking why you think I’m the richest

[stark skiff]

where? is @atomic harness here

[sleek ferry]

Twas a joke, since you’re the new person around these parts

[gritty nest]

I was about to say

Like

I know I just bought a steam deck but damn

[subtle sierra]

you're a bit late

[zinc shard]

Oh nice, a Laelia deck-aaaaaaaand its the boring discover deck

[trail anvil]

yeah I wanna face an actual laelia deck (might just build one myself tbh) but people really just do this for quick wins ig

[steady onyx]

yayyyyy

[rigid scarab]

Good on you

[golden plover]

I drew nothing but Bloodstained Mires for like 3 turns

Still won it

[rigid scarab]

I see other people agreeing with me too in that

The experience in opening a play booster of Bloomburrow is just abysmal

Not talking in the "I didn't make my money back" way

Talking in the "There are literally zero exciting slots" way

[glad peak]

Hm well how’s the drafting experience?

[rigid scarab]

Drafting is great but this set more than ever pushes the "Draft boosters for set booster price" rhetoric

That gave play boosters a bad initial name

OTJ had the nice reprints, BIG and the bonus sheet

Bloomburrow has like 3 variant arts per box

[golden plover]

Yeah Play Boosters weren't a good decision

[rigid scarab]

I don't think it's

Physically possible

To make your money buying a play booster of bloomburrow

[golden plover]

Set is really fun to draft, although red feels super overpowered and blue feels unplayable

[rigid scarab]

I don't even need the box to make money

I'd just like the opening experience to be fun

That's why set boosters were made in the first place

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, merging draft and set boosters felt like them trying to cut corners tbh. Set boosters were by far the funnest pack opening experience imo

They should have just made draft booster boxes LGS exclusive

And set boosters the defacto mass retailer mtg pack

[golden plover]

It's funny, they did it to cut corners and then made another 7 card booster with no rare

Like play boosters suck, but literally who wants value boosters

[lusty trench]

My ranking is like green > red > white > black > blue

[golden plover]

Green is very strong too yeah

If you can get in red or green you can do a lot

[lusty trench]

Blue is entirely a removal check if you can remove the unblockables in time

[sleek ferry]

It is important to note we were heading in this direction long before they made an announcement. If you compare the first set boosters vs the last, they did some janky shit to pull rates

[lusty trench]

It is super frustrating to lose to blue because they just keep putting in chip damage you can't stop

But yeah, bloomburrow feels awful to open, play booster boxes are impossible to make your money back on unless you open a ton of three tree cities (which are also dropping)

[golden plover]

The set has some good cards, but I don't think there's anything that's like Roaming Throne level

[lusty trench]

And the draft environment is wacky because sometimes a rare or mythic just utterly fucks you over (maha, forerunner, manifold, sword of fire and ice, the white valleycaller)

[golden plover]

But it's also because the set was designed around tribal and a few of the cards are good outside of tribes

Sword of Fire and Ice and Swords to Plowshares are mistakes in draft ngl

Sword of Fire and Ice is a free win

And losing to Swords to Plowshares feels like shit

Like if you open a Swords to Plowshares, you're playing white now

[lusty trench]

Both you very rarely see so I'm not too upset about it

[twilit canyon]

thats not true

stp isnt a card powerful enough on its own to take you into white

you splash it if you arent in white

but you dont just go to white

[lusty trench]

There's already an exile card in the main set for double white regardless iirc

[twilit canyon]

thats a game-losing and draft-throwing decision

[golden plover]

Nah, swords to plowshares is one of the strongest cards you could draft ever

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/pgdhanson/status/1820459389586964614?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

LevDev (Jordan) Gremlin (Gimbal) Jank Brewer (@PGDHanson) on X

As expected...Inkeeper's Talent is going up atm.

Twitter · Aug 5, 2024, 1:58 PM

[golden plover]

If you weren't already playing white, you get white in there for it

[twilit canyon]

you dont immediately go into white from there though

[golden plover]

And Sword of Fire and Ice is just a free win every game it connects

[twilit canyon]

splash white yes

[golden plover]

I mean, depends on the pool

[twilit canyon]

but not ditch the rest of draft for it

[lusty trench]

Why is that going up?

Is it played?

[golden plover]

If it's your P1P1, I think you lock in white tbh

[twilit canyon]

that's a mistake too

[golden plover]

And white is mostly fine in this draft anyways

[sleek ferry]

Idk outside of standard but I’ve seen it in rabbits

[twilit canyon]

if white is not open, you're destroying the rest of your draft on a p1p1

dont force it and if at all just splash it

[golden plover]

The two best decks to be in in this draft are both on white already

[sleek ferry]

Some of the classes we got are have a really low rate fwiw

[golden plover]

Rabbits has the highest WR, and Mice second best

[twilit canyon]

correct. but that doesnt mean you are so singleminded to be drafting rb or rg and see swords p3p1 and immediately throw everything for it. you splash yeah maybe. but you dont just throw 2 packs or even a pack and a half away.

[golden plover]

I mean, in p3 or whatever you don't force it but you splash white for swords at that point

But if you see it early, it makes a very strong argument to be in white

Which was already a strong argument in the set (unless it's birds or bats, which are both mediocre)

BLB does feel very good to draft, since I'd say about 75% of the factions feel good

Rabbits and Mice feel insane
Raccoons and Lizards feel very good
Birds, Bats, and Squirrels feel fine
Frogs and Bats feel okay, but not ideal
Rats and birds aren't there
And you lose if you're on otters

Otter is too divided in what it's trying to do to get anything done

[lusty trench]

This combo is diabolical in draft

[golden plover]

True. I just wish any of the blue decks felt good

[twilit canyon]

if you get lucky on rares birds can do insanely well

[glad peak]

Red and green are good but I thought raccoons were bad?

Unless I’m misremembering

[twilit canyon]

they are

[lusty trench]

They are, often they're understated for their costs as a base and expend isn't the easiest to accomplish

Especially when you're down to top decking because you have no draw

[golden plover]

I mostly just used raccoons when I meant gruul

Raccoons are a tribe sucks, but you get a lot of the uncommon calamity beasts and stuff in red/green

[lusty trench]

They're mainly filler

[golden plover]

If I see [[Galewind Moose]] I wanna be playing Galewind Moose if I'm in those colors tbh

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/173/galewind-moose

Galewind Moose <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Elk
Flash
Vigilance, reach, trample
"Something has stirred the Calamity Beasts, and they are wreaking havoc. Anyone who wishes to help, come forth! Whether it's with your swords in the fight or your shovels in the field, join me!" —Mabel, heir to Cragflame
6/6

[golden plover]

Mythic uncommon

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-august-5-2024

galvanic makes 2 energy, guide requires 4, and pride is a 2 drop

[copper pecan]

these seem like reasonable nerfs

[sleek ferry]

Doesn’t this just make ocelot unusable?

[fallow citrus]

I guess it makes the ramp from guide to ocelot nicer but yeah I'm not spending 2 mana on that

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, I’m not looking at ocelot for 2 mana lol

[twilit canyon]

it curves more nicely with guide