Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

Notably it doesn't say "other" so it can kill an 8/8 token... I guess?

https://preview.redd.it/0f46u0p61xbd1.png?auto=webp&s=481ad9e6f03d40a8c7838317f405bfe0f3e9da7e

Rhonda Libbey continues to kill it with the art

[sleek ferry]

green is looking like the best draft color for the 2nd straight set

[glad peak]

I don’t like it but I’m glad they tried

It’s a necessity to have at least

[lusty trench]

Gives planeswalker decks minor protection and doubles starting loyalty

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm not gonna freak out about it, but it's like a nice card to have

[sudden lava]

eh kinda, conduct just lets you target the same creature

so I guess if you really need to clear off an 8 toughness token

[golden plover]

Thats what I said

It's not a strong card either way, but it does powercreep a card from last set

[copper pecan]

this seems very strong

[stark skiff]

definitely a card that will be played. Nice one

[copper pecan]

reminds me of that one cleric from znr

[stark skiff]

Such a cheap level up to 2 as well

Counter decks eating good with that one

[gritty nest]

My Optimus prime deck crying in the corner

[sudden lava]

there is your rabbit mentor, turns out they didnt give her the weasel mercenary

NVM she not done

[hidden ermine]

Now that's a cute effect

[golden plover]

Hes pretty decent tbh

[sudden lava]

alt art

[trail anvil]

can't wait for this to hit a portal to phyrexia or something lol

this card is nuts, they're pushing the heck out of this archetype lol

[golden plover]

I'm already toying with 8bird for Pioneer

Honestly it probably works as a rogue modern deck too

Sometimes you just hit for 25 damage t4

[trail anvil]

also calling it now this card is reaching $20 from commander alone

people froth at the mouth for counters

maybe $30 since it's just luminarch aspirant with upsides

[glad peak]

Alt art of cruelclaw is worse than the regular art but the border for alt is better

Not sure which I’d prefer to make a deck with

[golden plover]

Oh wait, we just play pioneer slickshot

Forgot the Gruul deck already does everything

This just gives you another way to close the game early

And can be used lategame to draw

Oh apparently there's already a Gruul prowess deck in modern

Yeah you just find room for the mouse there

[twilit canyon]

nah

there isbt

*isnt

swiftspear and ssm are locks

you need 1 mana prowess

amped raptor plays better for the deck

showoff is mandatory

exiled cards suck because you also are a breach deck

[golden plover]

Looks like lists run DRC and stuff. Can cut a DRC-2 and something else for room

I don't even seen any lists maining SSM

[twilit canyon]

what part of breach deck cuts drc

[golden plover]

I mean, you obviously still want DRC

You don't cut all 4

[twilit canyon]

idk why i said ssm oops i meant drc

[twilit canyon]

hell no

[golden plover]

But you probably cut 1-2

[twilit canyon]

drc is infinitely stronger

you need 2 drc to loop baubles

you want to see your 1 mana 3/3 flyer every time

[golden plover]

DRC is good, but worse if you're playing from behind

[twilit canyon]

this is even worse from behind

[golden plover]

It stabilizes from behind. DRC doesn't

[twilit canyon]

lower baseline power, target spells arent plentiful besides mutagenic growth

[golden plover]

Well does if you've got other cards

[twilit canyon]

yeah the only targeting card is mutagenic

and this card is not good to spend 2 mana on

again

[trail anvil]

DRC makes your consistency insane no?

[twilit canyon]

you never want to exile cards

in your drc breach deck

[golden plover]

List is tight, but I figure there's a way to make room

[trail anvil]

plus flying

[golden plover]

Maybe cut a DRC, 1-2 Raptor, and 1 Amulet? I dunno what your other cut is

[twilit canyon]

there is no room for this card. if this card was 1 mana with the exact same stats maybe

[golden plover]

They'd literally never print a 1 mana 2/2 haste prowess+ upside

[twilit canyon]

then you fully cut raptor

[twilit canyon]

then this card is unplayable

[trail anvil]

I think this card is a standard powerhouse more than anything

[twilit canyon]

cus as-is i dont even see it being good in standard

[golden plover]

I still think you're super undervaluing it

[twilit canyon]

replacement for something maybe

but its not great

[golden plover]

It's copies 5-8 for Slickshot

[trail anvil]

there's zero shot this doesn't see play in standard

[[khenra spellspear]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/151/khenra-spellspear-gitaxian-spellstalker

Khenra Spellspear <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Jackal Warrior
Trample
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
: Transform Khenra Spellspear. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
2/2

Gitaxian Spellstalker
Creature — Phyrexian Jackal
Trample, ward , prowess, prowess (Each instance of prowess triggers separately.)
"Bolas's methods were crude and inefficient, taking generations to refine the population into a reliable source of combat units. Still, it offers us something of a head start." —Jin-Gitaxias
3/3

[twilit canyon]

definitely not even close to slickshot

[golden plover]

It's at least incredibly good in Standard and Pioneer

[trail anvil]

this card was even run as cope at one point

[twilit canyon]

slickshot has evasion

[golden plover]

The pioneer list actually gets to cut SSM

[twilit canyon]

and can be 0 mana

[twilit canyon]

also no

you need a density of 1 drops and ssm allows you to bypass indestructible

[trail anvil]

slickshot isn't what you should be comparing this with tbh

[golden plover]

The standard list cuts that stupid fucking goblin

[trail anvil]

this card's niche is getting giant quick on the ground

[twilit canyon]

this is best compared to existing bad cards but its on a 2/2 with haste prowess for 2 mana which we already have a powered 2 mana haste prowess with late game potential

[golden plover]

Yeah, I'm seeing it as a backup "you swing with a huge ass guy that threatens them"

[twilit canyon]

this isnt new tho

and its rarely playable anymore

[golden plover]

What 2 drop are you taking about? Because the goblin seems really bad

[twilit canyon]

[[electrostatic infantry]] even has the evasion

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/122/electrostatic-infantry

Electrostatic Infantry <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dwarf Wizard
Trample
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Electrostatic Infantry.
"That's not exactly what I had in mind when I said 'charge,' but I like your enthusiasm!" —Balmor, battlemage captain
1/2

[trail anvil]

I don't think it needs to be new with monstrous rage in the format

[golden plover]

Oh Dawn's Truce is very nice

[trail anvil]

like people run that 2/1 haste prowess that disguises, I think this is just better in that slot

I can count the number of times I've actually flipped that card on one hand lmao

[golden plover]

Yeah I can't see that goblin staying in decks with this existing

Goblin technically does something lategame, but he seems... Bad?

Well bad in comparison

[twilit canyon]

you'll be able to count the number of times that this gives you an actual card's worth of value too

[golden plover]

I mean a single monstrous Rage will sometimes grab you another

[twilit canyon]

targeting it in mono red with only monstrous rage which is a card frequently cut because it is not good enough

[trail anvil]

it's a 2/2 with haste, that was the baseline before

[golden plover]

But bare minimum it's a 2/2 Haste Prowess

[trail anvil]

that one from innistrad is rotating out too

[golden plover]

That's historically been very solid alone

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[golden plover]

Does the vampire ever get multi kicked?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[trail anvil]

there's more than that tbh

[twilit canyon]

no its just rage

unless you shock it

[golden plover]

Since that ones rotating and this just seems better

[twilit canyon]

or pwf it

which is horribly inefficient

and even then its not lile rage has been a staple

its been on/off play

[trail anvil]

after rotation we still have that plot enchantment which is gonna go up in value after kfk rotates

[twilit canyon]

the plot enchantment is not great either

[golden plover]

Is [[Felonious Rage]] not getting used in Standard?

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/125/felonious-rage

Felonious Rage <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature you control gets +2/+0 and gains haste until end of turn. When that creature dies this turn, create a 2/2 white and blue Detective creature token.
It's hard to keep the peace if you can't even control your temper.

[twilit canyon]

no

[golden plover]

Some of the pioneer lists are running it

[sudden lava]

there is your skunk assassin

[twilit canyon]

rage sees zero play in standard

[sudden lava]

for your assassin's creed decks

[twilit canyon]

pioneer is also just not a real format

[golden plover]

There's also [[Audacity]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/169/audacity

Audacity <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+0 and has trample.
When Audacity is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
Bravery outlives the brave.

[golden plover]

It's not as good as Monstrous Rage, but it's copies 5+

[twilit canyon]

audacity is not good

[sudden lava]

oh hi political fog-ish

[twilit canyon]

like the big problem here has been trying to force this card with running bad pump spells

[golden plover]

It's a prowess trigger that gives you trample and draws if they kill your guy

[twilit canyon]

in a world where removal is so good

[trail anvil]

yeah audacity is not good

[twilit canyon]

haste is the best part but it has no evasion

[golden plover]

Audacity sucks, but it exists

[trail anvil]

that was only run for the selesnya enchantment synergy

[twilit canyon]

so it cant even claim to be a 1 drop like swift

[golden plover]

Felonious Rage should be good tho?

[twilit canyon]

it isnt

[golden plover]

Since you replace him with an okay body if he dies

[twilit canyon]

they kill it in response or dont block lethal damage

if you do rage to haste thats sorcery speed

in which case, you know not to block

[trail anvil]

if you're playing this with the intention of replacing him you're doing it wrong

[golden plover]

Yeah you're not playing it to replace

[twilit canyon]

if pump spells or targeting spells/abilities had any home in aggro or wasnt limited to once a turn, maybe it'd have a home in something like nadu

[golden plover]

It's a +3/+3 that targets and has a backup plan

Monstrous Rage is your best bet, but it's another option

[twilit canyon]

and rage is also not good

[trail anvil]

ah fml ancestral rage is rotating

[golden plover]

Rage is a prowess trigger and +4/+4

[twilit canyon]

the stat line doesnt matter

it gives evasion sure

[golden plover]

They get trample off it too

[twilit canyon]

thats actually the best part

[trail anvil]

monstrous rage is just a bolt on legs misty

[twilit canyon]

bolt on legs is bas

*bad

[trail anvil]

I hate using it but I feel like it's best in slot for monored, at least in bo1

[twilit canyon]

it isnt

you are losing games because of it

[trail anvil]

I'm losing games without it because of how much damage it provides

and the trample

it fuckin sucks as a play pattern but it's actually so much value

[twilit canyon]

its a dead card in too many spots

genuinely dont run it

successful rdw lists in standard cut it entirely

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6493910#paper

in the same league rage finished worse

[golden plover]

[[Snakeskin Veil]] stays actually

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/181/snakeskin-veil

Snakeskin Veil <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It gains hexproof until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
Most travelers panic when they stumble upon the skin of a giant rattlewurm. Landry saw it as a gift.

[golden plover]

And Veil is pretty good if you're gonna be in gruul

[twilit canyon]

veil is not great

thats playing even more mana behind

if you ignore the impulse draw of this card, whats the point?

[trail anvil]

that list has a sideboard

[twilit canyon]

yeah bo3

[trail anvil]

I just said bo1 lol

[golden plover]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6506283#paper

This list is more recent

And did better

Went 5-0

[twilit canyon]

leagues arent as important

ppl throw 5-0s

all the time

to not get published info on their decks

challenges and prelims are important

and this was for mono red. i think its still more consistent to be on rdw over gruul

also

[trail anvil]

restless ridgeline into kumano faces kakkazan sounds like inting I'm ngl

[twilit canyon]

i always say that a bo1 deck shouldnt be very different from a bo3 list

if your core list is good, it'll win bo1 games

[twilit canyon]

in an aggro deck absolutrly

[trail anvil]

I get that your idea is that the mainboard in a bo3 list should be aiming to win g1, but you have to understand the meta is much different and people build different as a result

[twilit canyon]

especially with how good interaction is

[twilit canyon]

i dont agree actually. the goal being fast games i still want a list that is optimal

you yourself mentioned how it felt awful to play monstrous rage

think about how many times having a better card would have tilted a match up or how playing better would have resulted in not even needing rage

[granite badge]

I love lil combat tricks like monstrous rage personally

[trail anvil]

for each time it's felt awful there's been another 1-2 times where I just inflicted massive damage

I don't like the card but when I've played without it I've hated not having it even more

same reason why I've been playing prowess over the other monored build because I just feel like I need the damage to end the game in time before the opponent stabilizes, just cause that's signature to monored

[twilit canyon]

tbh its been the current big struggle of aggro in standard rn

[trail anvil]

unrelated to that, I think [[hatred]] is the most accurate lore-to-actual play card in the game. if you're playing this on someone, damn you must have really hated them

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https://scryfall.com/card/exo/64/hatred

Hatred <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, pay X life.
Target creature gets +X/+0 until end of turn.
"I will flay the skin from your flesh and the flesh from your bones and scrape your bones dry. And still you will not have suffered enough." —Greven il-Vec, to Gerrard

[granite badge]

I will say the most feelsbad card is needing to hardcast that one mono red vampire

[twilit canyon]

too rng om if u win or not

[granite badge]

That is a 2/2 vanilla unless you pay 3 extra

[twilit canyon]

2 mana 2/2 haste is baseline

[trail anvil]

idk about most feelbad, but you definitely want other cards in the slot if you're not using her like that ig

[twilit canyon]

and yeah

its bad

[twilit canyon]

maybe this comes from my own brain being wired to proper prowess and burn

but ive never ever thought about playing this mouse or wanting the raw burst

prowess prides itself in being more or less a storm list

[sleek ferry]

Yeah if mono red doesn’t win by turn 3 or leave you within strike range, you probably lose

Too easy to stabilize

[twilit canyon]

your cards all replace themselves

or are quality

burn trades said quality for raw damage but the burn needs to go face

this card doesnt really help either case

its an average/mid rate nowdays

the card replacement is too slow

it also requires playing suboptimal cards

[sleek ferry]

I would also be interested to see mono reds record on the draw vs not, surely there’s a huge discrepancy

[twilit canyon]

my own record is not accurate

im better than 90% of other mono red players

but iirc i've had an 80/75 play-draw

[sleek ferry]

We’ll see what the state of mono red is post rotation also. Iirc you’re losing swiftspear, play with fire, anything else?

[twilit canyon]

not swift

that'll be next rotation

play with fire yes but i assume we get shock or a replacement soon

[trail anvil]

kumano faces kakkazan is an extremely important loss

at least they already gave us another nice 1-drop

[golden plover]

[[Shock]] is already standard legal

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/144/shock

Shock <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Shock deals 2 damage to any target.
She realized that she could not, in fact, handle the truth.

[golden plover]

Got that ugly ass art in MKM

[twilit canyon]

o lol

[trail anvil]

I am really gonna miss that scry lol

[lusty trench]

Crazy how one word can destroy a card

[twilit canyon]

lol

going from potential goat to unplayable

[rigid scarab]

Keep going

KEEP GOING

KEEP GOING

Aaaaand he fucked it up

[trail anvil]

I feel like you're still running this in bats in draft at least

now this one seems interesting

and the art is stunning

[fallow citrus]

we have [[ad nauseum]] at home

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No card found for “ad nauseum”

[fallow citrus]

bruh

I cannot spell

[[Ad Nauseam]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/76/ad-nauseam

Ad Nauseam <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its mana value. You may repeat this process any number of times.
When the task spilled over into undeath, he stopped calling it his life's work.

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/hvuxh4vidybd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=238bf82ac99b15734a422aea2794b78affc1277f

Feels like the expend doesn't help a ton if you're in an aggressive deck

[sudden lava]

took me too long to figure out what the art actually shows

[trail anvil]

this one feels really weird cause in theory I can see you emptying your hand on curve but 4 mana of spells is so far from guaranteed

[trail anvil]

maybe if you have a shit ton of 2 drops?

[twilit canyon]

it itself has an awkward mana value

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's this weird spot where in theory you dump your hand of around 4 mana every turn, then draw a new 4 mana hand

[trail anvil]

this could've said expend 3 and it would've been fine

[golden plover]

3 would've made it a nice [[Bomat Courier]] sidegrade

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https://scryfall.com/card/kld/199/bomat-courier

Bomat Courier <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
Whenever Bomat Courier attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Bomat Courier: Put all cards exiled with Bomat Courier into their owners' hands.
1/1

[golden plover]

Since the idea seems to be you play it like Bomat

But trade not saccing it to instead have to play in more specific mvs

[trail anvil]

bomat is also a hasty 1 drop

[golden plover]

Yeah, Bomat is the better card

But there would have been an argument if it was expend 3

[trail anvil]

this flavor text is adorable

[granite badge]

Wait whats the problem with this

This looks pretty solid to me

[lusty trench]

Puts to hand and not battlefield

It’s super below rate stat wise so it needed something big to make it good

[fallow citrus]

also it's the end of your end step so it's like

not even bootleg coco

[[collected company]] if you don't know the shorthand

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https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/177/collected-company

Collected Company <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Look at the top six cards of your library. Put up to two creature cards with mana value 3 or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
Many can stand where one would fall.

[golden plover]

It's probably pretty good in limited ngl

Bats seem to have an "if you gained or lost life" theme

This is a very good card

3 rabbits and removal, a revive and an exile, or an exile and 3 rabbits

Or 5 rabbits ig

Can also do 2 exiles and a rabbit

[lusty trench]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8366821/shirei

My attempt at a budget deck

[sleek ferry]

Best one so far probably

The fact that it revives with an indestructible counter is pretty clutch

[zinc shard]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IRI_uZTqikaBZHLP3FNGqQ

Sorry it took me awhile but tagged the cards in my deck

[trail anvil]

lol I love how the basics drive the deck's price up

have you ever considered [[valentin, dean of the vein]] ?

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/161/valentin-dean-of-the-vein-lisette-dean-of-the-root

Valentin, Dean of the Vein <:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Warlock
Menace, lifelink
If a nontoken creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead. When you do, you may pay . If you do, create a 1/1 black and green Pest creature token with "When this creature dies, you gain 1 life."
1/1

Lisette, Dean of the Root
Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you gain life, you may pay . If you do, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control and those creatures gain trample until end of turn.
"Life is as fleeting as it is vibrant. Embrace the brief blessing of a flower before it withers."
4/4

[trail anvil]

[[moldervine reclamation]] is another nice synergy that's pretty cheap

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https://scryfall.com/card/c21/225/moldervine-reclamation

Moldervine Reclamation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control dies, you gain 1 life and draw a card.
"The heroes of the past nourish our spirits by their example—and nourish our crops by their decay." —Jeddeg, philosopher of graves

[trail anvil]

also gary is another classic

[zinc shard]

good point lemme switch those

and yea those cards look good

[sleek ferry]

I wish I could see my win rate on this deck, because I’ve been cooking dudes

[trail anvil]

oh you should run silversmote ghoul, great sac outlet and draw engine

and probably cut a lot of mana rocks tbh

[zinc shard]

yea fair

[sudden lava]

OMG the last magic game of being 26 was INSANE
Not only did I block a 22 brightsteel colossus (had a 15 toughness Raul and 7/7 Strong the Brutish Thespian) saving me from lethal.
But also my last turn involved a snake horse (being mounted by my mutant moth commander) dealing 3 damage (while simultaneously getting rightfully blocked) and a vexing radgul proliferating my opponent to 6 rad counters (they had 5 life). Rad counters resolved, dealt exactly 5 for game

Also I was able to get a regular art Cleopatra for 1 dollar

[gritty nest]

nice

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/z86uvsw922cd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=8b4785d98e0dbef13ef41b8bed948e147efd5040

This is probably better than it reads

But it doesn't really read like it's great

https://preview.redd.it/ias2xfhsuzbd1.png?auto=webp&s=3c42642b4309fbc732d8670ae6d3adbedea76182

This is pretty solid

[rigid scarab]

I'm still trying to get over "Promise a gift" now being a mechanic they have in black border

They're trying incredibly hard to be cute

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't love the wording of "promise a gift"

It's too cutesy

It's also not immediately clear

And people are gonna have questions like "can I break my promise" (no)

https://preview.redd.it/wz0chpvdu1cd1.png?auto=webp&s=8e3e20ce87ee7b39505b1839a62c84ce83c03bf4

Splash Portal?

{U}

Sorcery

Exile target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. If that creature is a Bird, Frog, Otter, or Rat, draw a card.

"Don't ask me how it works. If I stopped long enough to question it, I'd lose my legs."

-Lorb, frogfolk wizard

@glad peak well this is technically a solution for draft too... It's really clunky wording tho

[copper pecan]

it literally says it on the card

i think it's pretty clear

[golden plover]

"Promise" isn't defined

[copper pecan]

it doesn't need to be because the second sentence of the reminder text tells you what to do

[golden plover]

It's in rules text, but it's not defined what the action of promising is

Yeah, so you could reword it to not need the first line written like that then

It's overly cutesy for the sake of it, affecting readability

[copper pecan]

it's not just for the sake of it, the rest of the text of the card needs to be able to refer to whether or not you promised

and again i don't think this mechanic is hard to understand as long as your attention span lasts longer than one sentence

[lusty trench]

Flying, etbs as a copy of a creature on the battlefield with mana value equal to the amount of mana spent to cast it

And it keeps flying

Welcome back 2 mana mimic

[golden plover]

I don't think Gift is too mechanically complicated or anything

I just think it's worded poorly for a mechanic that could just be the second line of its reminder text

[copper pecan]

i don't see how this is any different from convoke's reminder text

[lusty trench]

AYO welcome back chain of Vapor

[golden plover]

It is funny tho that both MTG and yugioh made the wording worse on furry themes to make them cutesy

[lusty trench]

Actually this could be better than chain of Vapor to

[golden plover]

Also Jot did you see what they did on that frog card to help fix things in draft

[copper pecan]

people were way too mad about the monsters fur hire thing

like it was still very clear what the cards did

[lusty trench]

What’d they do

[golden plover]

@lusty trench

Lists like all the archetype themes at the end to get it to work with everything

That's every blue creature type in the set lmao

[copper pecan]

there are a bunch of cards in the set that do that

[lusty trench]

I feel like they should’ve added a group mechanic for the tribes allies like outlaws

[golden plover]

Other than the lands this is the first one I've seen

[copper pecan]

they did but it got removed from the set for being too wordy

[lusty trench]

Ah

[golden plover]

Yeah, remember that TCG that I was working on? With the "Faction" like of text that doesn't do anything on its own

Faction would have saved them here lmao

Because I get why they did this for draft and it definitely helps to make cards not dead on certain color combos

[copper pecan]

i still don't understand how your faction mechanic isn't just functionally the same as a subtype

[lusty trench]

Really confusing rat card but pop off rat man take me to snurch

[golden plover]

Factions aren't traits of the unit

Subtypes are species/occupation

[copper pecan]

why?

[golden plover]

Faction is who they're aligned with in conflicts

[copper pecan]

okay but why does that mean it can't be on the typeline

this is just a completely arbitrary distinction

[golden plover]

I didn't want a bunch of dead subtypes that were only used for 1 set's conflict

[copper pecan]

why is that bad but having factions take up textbox space fine?

this is just the devoid problem again but even worse

[golden plover]

It is kinda arbitrary, but it made more sense to me that way

And faction is a mechanic that'd show up in most if not every set

So it made sense to just have it be a line of text in the textbox

[sudden lava]

Ok that last effect containing grixis is clearly just there so the red rats can be used with it in commander

[copper pecan]

if it's in every set then it makes even less sense to not use subtypes for it

[lusty trench]

Nah it’s cause it’s a fling effect

It gets the red

Minsc and boo hand red in them with the same effect

[golden plover]

They did probably work backwards from red rats tho

And the fling made sense as a way to tie it together

[lusty trench]

Why snails though

Rat decks are annoying enough did they really need the toxril synergy

[golden plover]

Toxril is a slug

[lusty trench]

I’m fuckin stupid ignore me

[golden plover]

Tbf, he definitely looks like a snail in the art

[lusty trench]

Would it have been so bad for this to trigger more than once each turn

[golden plover]

He's got shit growing from his back that looks like a shell

[lusty trench]

Cause he got them back bumps

[golden plover]

Yup

And yeah, I dunno why she's once per turn

Also "whenever you cast" "once per turn"

[lusty trench]

Why is every card in this set a line of text added to make it bad

[copper pecan]

this would be way too strong at uncommon if it wasn't once per turn

[copper pecan]

same with this

[sudden lava]

There is no red rats besides him in the set

[lusty trench]

During your turn is the part I want removed

Bats already have the evasion in flying the added deathtouch isn’t doing anything as an attacker

[golden plover]

Yeah dropping the "during your turn" would be nice

[sudden lava]

so its definitely a case of "we put the other colors in an ability for commander purposes"

[golden plover]

I mean that's almost universally true for a TON of cards/sets

SO MANY cards are designed around commander

[copper pecan]

a lot of the other bats care about gaining/losing life during your turn so it's probably there for consistency with those

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Huskburster-Swarm-400x559.webp

[lusty trench]

Better read the bones

[lusty trench]

The pauper scene seeing this at uncommon

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-5752975

[golden plover]

Huskbuster feels like a decent last resort draft if you're in rats

I kinda wish it had trample tho

[sudden lava]

Another possibly cheap insect for when I eventually make my Grist oops all crawlies deck

[lusty trench]

6/6
deathtouch
Wotc I swear to god

[sleek ferry]

Just had an hour long bo1 lol

Azorius mirrors are truly one of a kind

[golden plover]

Menace/Trample would have been so much better

[golden plover]

Oh funny interaction with [[Wick, Whorled Mind]] in draft

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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/120/wick-the-whorled-mind

Wick, the Whorled Mind <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Rat Warlock
Whenever Wick or another Rat you control enters, create a 1/1 black Snail creature token if you don't control a Snail. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on a Snail you control.
, Sacrifice a Snail: Wick deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to each opponent. Then draw cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
2/4

[golden plover]

If you have the changeling out, he has to put the counters on that

[sudden lava]

Chuck the changeling

[golden plover]

1 mana more for flying Bob

[lusty trench]

4 mana for 2 bob

[golden plover]

I mean, thats also the cost of 2 Bobs

[trail anvil]

so what you're telling me is this card's not for pussies

[lusty trench]

If let’s go gambling was a card

Bro even brought his kid to the casino

[trail anvil]

yeah lmao

[golden plover]

Weird card to be in Bant colors

[gritty nest]

i'd 100% run this in the 99

[golden plover]

This is usually a Temur effect tbh

[lusty trench]

"boss how do we make this effect white"
"Errrr you gain a life"
"GENIUS"

[gritty nest]

the life gain, draw, and 1/1 counter effect?

[trail anvil]

yeah was gonna say that seems plenty bant to me

zaxara is similar in sultai colors

[gritty nest]

[[Chulane, Teller of Tales]] is what I thought of as a somewhat comparison

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/202/chulane-teller-of-tales

Chulane, Teller of Tales <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Vigilance
Whenever you cast a creature spell, draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
, : Return target creature you control to its owner's hand.
2/4

[golden plover]

The life gain is what makes it bant yeah

But usually "X cost matters" has been temur

[gritty nest]

fair enough

[sudden lava]

All mentors revealed

[trail anvil]

have you considered x cost matters is just simic

I guess they still want it towards temur now with rosheel but maybe they don't care

[golden plover]

Yeah true. It's pretty Simic

[trail anvil]

creating a food on etb and death both is really good

[sudden lava]

I like the art on Vinerear

[golden plover]

Yo when are we getting the Kolgahan card

[lusty trench]

It's not kolgahan

[sudden lava]

when dragon birb

[gritty nest]

would you guys consider academy manufactor token generation?

[golden plover]

Oh was that confirmed

[trail anvil]

uh like for what purposes

like it technically makes tokens but doesn't produce the tokens on its own

[gritty nest]

sam and frodo foods

i threw it in token generation for now just for simplicity sake

[lusty trench]

It's just a random dragon from a dragon storm

[gritty nest]

ill probably throw it in a new section like "token support" or token doubling alongside Mondrak and Peregrin Took

[trail anvil]

I mean sam reliably pumps out foods so I think it's fine to skew it in one way or another

wait no

frodo does? one of the two

[gritty nest]

[[Sam, Loyal Attendant]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/7/sam-loyal-attendant

Sam, Loyal Attendant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
Partner with Frodo, Adventurous Hobbit (When this creature enters the battlefield, target player may put Frodo into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Activated abilities of Foods you control cost less to activate.
2/4

[trail anvil]

either way I really need to see that deck pop off cause I definitely haven't yet lol

[gritty nest]

people don't really like my food deck at locals

probably because Exquisite Blood Sanguine Bond is a thing

[trail anvil]

yeah that is lol

[gritty nest]

Frodo is amazing card draw

[trail anvil]

I guess nobody runs enchantment removal?

[gritty nest]

and also a good "red flag"

as in people hit him vs actual threats

not really

[trail anvil]

every day I feel blessed that my regular locals actually runs removal

[gritty nest]

i remember one time someone blew up Frodo

while I had [[Prize Pig]] on the table

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/43/prize-pig

Prize Pig <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Boar
Whenever you gain life, put that many ribbon counters on Prize Pig. Then if there are three or more ribbon counters on Prize Pig, remove those counters and untap it.
: Add one mana of any color.
The habit of building farmhouses and barns began among the inhabitants of the Marish down by the Brandywine.
0/3

[gritty nest]

Experimental Confectioner, Peregrin Took, Mirkwood Bats, Prize Pig, and Sam
Pig tap, crack a food
sacked a food? create a rat and food (confectioner and took)
3 life loss total
the 3 life gain from the food untaps Prize Pig

yea its inconsistent but thats why I like the deck, nobody messes with actual threats

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zMA2Va5Wck6ZfbdH6RffYw Here's the decklist @trail anvil , i was actually gonna ask what anyone thought I could cut to add in Teferi's Protection, Inkshield, and maybe [[Abstruse Appropriation]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/177/abstruse-appropriation

Abstruse Appropriation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Exile target nonland permanent. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and you may spend colorless mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell.
"Kozilek experiences reality on his own terms." —Ayli, high priest of the Eternal Pilgrims

[trail anvil]

well ik this isn't what you were asking for, but I feel like kutzil would go hard over grand abolisher unless you really wanna stop abilities lol

[gritty nest]

iirc kutzil was the dude from the other day that says when something with power greater than its base deals combat damage, draw a card, and Abolisher effect?

[trail anvil]

ye

[gritty nest]

yea i could consider that actually, i couldnt remember if it was a 3 or 4 drop. I don't usually KO via commander damage (I want to kill someone with Sierra making Frodo chonky though as a meme)

oh yea I have tags setup if that helps, Lobelia has a funny tag

[trail anvil]

I didn't see it on this end sadly lol

[trail anvil]

honestly I'd maybe consider cutting ramp? your curve is low and you're already running 38 lands

[gritty nest]

Cultivate for Inkshield probably?

[trail anvil]

same reason I run flumph in gluntch. not good, but obligatory

[gritty nest]

at most she's life loss (sack a food and make everyone lose 2)

but the second I cast her she gets blown up because people get pissed with her first line of effect lol

[trail anvil]

cultivate seems like such an unfortunate first cut considering it helps you make your land drop, but idk how fast your lgs is

[gritty nest]

depends on the decks, people usually try to keep varying degrees of power

Elanor i'd prefer not to cut

the first idea that comes to mind is cutting talisman's and/or Gilded Goose

[trail anvil]

well definitely not goose since it doubles as a food maker

[gritty nest]

fair enough

[trail anvil]

it might be worse than birds of paradise as far as repeated mana goes, but synergies and all that

[gritty nest]

wait im fucking stupid

i don't really need [[Many Partings]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/176/many-partings

Many Partings <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
"For you in all the lands of the West there will ever be a welcome, dearest friend." —Aragorn

[gritty nest]

yea its G land tutor and food generation, but it's not too amazing to be kept

[gritty nest]

yea you're not wrong, Goose can put in work

[golden plover]

Okay this is definitely the weakest one

6 mana destroy all artifacts and enchantments is like okay

Also @trail anvil @lusty trench Flubs has been number crunched out of the main set, and Temur isn't one of the commander colors. He's buy-a-box only

[trail anvil]

ye I mean I'm pretty sure his original spoiler had the commander rarity icon

or some other not standard thing

[golden plover]

It did, but there's been times where they did that for alt arts

But yay, we're doing that weird thing again

At least they're not standard legal this time?

[lusty trench]

And at least they're not good this time

[golden plover]

True. But that's what we said about [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/215/firesong-and-sunspeaker

Firesong and Sunspeaker <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Minotaur Cleric
Red instant and sorcery spells you control have lifelink.
Whenever a white instant or sorcery spell causes you to gain life, Firesong and Sunspeaker deals 3 damage to target creature or player.
The peaks of Hurloon never fall silent.
4/6

[golden plover]

And then... Nexus of Fate and Kenrith happened

It's still crazy to me that Nexus of Fate doesn't have a non-foil non-SL printing

That'd be such an easy chase mythic to throw in a set

[sleek ferry]

Nah hold on, this is a green board wipe + draw 4+ in most cases

I’m not going to say this is crazy, but it’s playable depending on the meta

You resolve this vs the Azorius artifact deck all over standard and you won

Idk if selesnya enchantments is real after rotation but if it is, this completely dunks on that also

[golden plover]

Isn't [[Fade from History]] standard legal?

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/177/fade-from-history

Fade from History <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Each player who controls an artifact or enchantment creates a 2/2 green Bear creature token. Then destroy all artifacts and enchantments.
After a long hibernation, Argoth began slowly recovering from the ravages of war.

[golden plover]

I can't see you wanting to pay 2 more to sometimes draw if you're looking to hose one or the other

[gritty nest]

[[!Meriadoc Brandybuck|LTR|806]] or [[!Meriadoc Brandybuck|LTR|628]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/806/meriadoc-brandybuck

Meriadoc Brandybuck

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/628/meriadoc-brandybuck

Meriadoc Brandybuck

[gritty nest]

im trying to figure out if I want to use Showcase Scrolls for LTR cards or regular showcases, which looks better overall?

[golden plover]

I don't love the showcase arts for the set. Don't really get the theme

[gritty nest]

the regular showcases or the scrolls?

[golden plover]

Both are kinda ehh

But I don't get the idea of the regular showcase

[gritty nest]

just trying to make my sam and frodo food deck pretty

[lusty trench]

Meant to be looking into a ring I think

But yeah I don’t like either of them and prefer the regular style

[gritty nest]

fair

obviously i should do the full art LTR map lands?

[golden plover]

Ohh looking into the ring

Weird, but I guess I can see it

[gritty nest]

yea im going to do surge foil LTR Map lands

[golden plover]

This is one of those effects that reads better than it plays

And thusly it'll either be a $0.10 rare or a $50+ one based on commander players

Oh wait that's not an "or less"

$0.10 rare

[lusty trench]

Also as foretold has more synergies and doesn’t see any play

[golden plover]

You need to have a spell of each mana value you're trying to play

Can't just play cantrips into a 7 mana spell

OHHHH NOW THIS IS A RARE

[lusty trench]

Was just about to post it lmao

Good uncommon

[golden plover]

Wayfinder is very good in limited

But yeah, I wasn't sold on valiant at first, but between the red one and this one, I think it's worth it

Better payoffs in exchange for once per turn effects

[twilit canyon]

theres literally a more shit version of this card in this same set in this same color

[golden plover]

This one is probably standard playable no?

[twilit canyon]

meh

[golden plover]

Target it with [[Skrelv]] in a Boros aggro deck

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Multiple cards match “Skrelv”, can you be more specific?

[golden plover]

[[Skrelv, Defector Mite]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/33/skrelv-defector-mite

Skrelv, Defector Mite <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Mite
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
Skrelv, Defector Mite can't block.
, : Choose a color. Another target creature you control gains toxic 1 and hexproof from that color until end of turn. It can't be blocked by creatures of that color this turn. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
1/1

[twilit canyon]

again big issue needing to be targeted

[golden plover]

Skrelv does it for free

And also stuff like Monsterous Rage still in standard

[twilit canyon]

yes but skrelv is priority kill #1 and u need more than just a skrelv

[golden plover]

He's not hasty, so he's probably not as good as the red one

But in standard there's probably a shell that likes it

[twilit canyon]

rage sucks as a card. its not good to force it to try and create card advantage

cus its still using 2 cards to maybe get 1 card of value

here's forerunner's massive issue

you need 30+ mana value 3 or less creatures to guarantee a hit off its effect

skrelv can be 4 of say 32

[golden plover]

I mean an aggressive Boros deck is probably topping at 4-5

[twilit canyon]

4-5 drops?

definitely not this isnt alchemy with tajic

so then theres another issue

say we have 32 creatures that are mv 3 or less

and 4 forerunners

36 card deck

where else do you fit cards that target your own stuff positively?

go to 20 lands?

[golden plover]

I mean the Boros deck in standard only runs [[Knight-Errant of Eos]] for cards above 3-4 MV

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/26/knight-errant-of-eos

Knight-Errant of Eos <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
Convoke
When Knight-Errant of Eos enters the battlefield, look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal up to two creature cards with mana value X or less from among them, where X is the number of creatures that convoked Knight-Errant of Eos. Put the revealed cards into your hand, then shuffle.
4/4

[golden plover]

Sure, sometimes you whiff

But I think the Boros deck at least tries him

[twilit canyon]

they are also a deck made entirely to pump knight out on turn 2-3

regardless of draw, its made to power him out

[golden plover]

They lose some creatures to rotation

[twilit canyon]

right but that hurts this even more

[rigid scarab]

Literally nadu at home

[golden plover]

They probably experiment with stuff like him and the Red Mouse until they have a new shell

[twilit canyon]

cus you are now relying on knight-errant even more

the valiant cards will very much not see play after thinking about it

at least not for the valiant text

mouse maybe just bc there will be a need for a 2/2 haster for 2 that can grow

[golden plover]

I mean for the red mouse the Valiant text is all bonus text

[twilit canyon]

but that doesnt make you happy to play it

[golden plover]

I'm more than happy to have 2/2 haste prowess for 2 in the right shell

[twilit canyon]

no one is excited for adversary's vanilla stat

[golden plover]

This one is a little harder to justify

[twilit canyon]

this one is significantly worse yes

[golden plover]

But it's probably decent in the right shell

[twilit canyon]

vanilla

not on rate

there's no shell. its a completely confused card

[golden plover]

Yeah if he had vigilance, I think he'd probably have a home in something for sure

But I don't think he's that bad

[twilit canyon]

i think its shit

if it was any spell/ability

maybe

[golden plover]

He's CoCo at home

[twilit canyon]

cus then it punishes removal

nah even a budget coco would be stronger

we have coco at home type cards and they at least draw the cards

[golden plover]

Wait... Nadu can side it for grindier matchups maybe?

If you've lost your board or you're struggling, you still probably lose

But Shuko onto it gets you Nadu and gets you back on your feet

That's a big ask at 4 mana, but it's potentially worth trying

[twilit canyon]

thats way too much work for a card that at best only hits 2/5ths of your deck

if that

[golden plover]

Nadu runs 23-25ish creatures from what I've seen

Only miss would be hitting [[Endurance]] of it

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/157/endurance

Endurance <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
Flash
Reach
When Endurance enters the battlefield, up to one target player puts all the cards from their graveyard on the bottom of their library in a random order.
Evoke—Exile a green card from your hand.
3/4

[golden plover]

Oh wait no endurance is 3 MV

Yeah, I think your odds at 23 are more than fine

Honestly anything above 20 and the odds are on your side

Occasionally you'll whiff, but if 1/3rd of your deck is a hit you've got 60% chance to hit minimum

It's also an extra copy of Nadu on t4

If you don't see him, but Shuko on it you hit Nadu, and combo off

Not the best card for the deck, but I can see running 1

[twilit canyon]

they are not

[golden plover]

20 is 60% chance to hit

Ideally you wanna be at like 24-25

But the math isn't that bad on 20

[twilit canyon]

you want 40

*30

the math is awful on 20

especially since its a once per turn

also the card doesnt do anything else

so its even worse of a fail rate

[sleek ferry]

it's even worse since you also have to run x amount of cards that target it

where's my wedding announcement replacement at pls

[sleek ferry]

A land card

interesting

[trail anvil]

searching for new lands

[[elvish rejuvenator]] with better stats, a keyword and it can never whiff

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/191/elvish-rejuvenator

Elvish Rejuvenator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
When Elvish Rejuvenator enters the battlefield, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/1

[trail anvil]

this thing looks seriously nice, essence scatter with a mode to turn it into counterspell if you need to

[lusty trench]

? Isn't it just a worse counterspell? Do they not do on rate counter spell anymore?

[copper pecan]

they haven't done straight up counterspell in standard sets in a very long time

like the last time counterspell was in standard was literally more than 20 years ago

[golden plover]

Long River's Pull is one of the best non-counterspell counterspells of all time

Essence Scatter with a mode to turn it into CS

[lusty trench]

I think this mimic is really really good

[golden plover]

Like obviously it's worse than like FoW and stuff

But in like standard and pioneer it's likely crazy

[lusty trench]

Mocking bird is comparable to phantasmal image in cedh

Except this one doesn't go down to a random target and has evasion, likely the last part doesn't matter, but the fact we now have like 3-4 2 mana mimics is cool

[sudden lava]

Got myself an inevitable betrayal, flpth lost on the range, sign in blood, and 5 squirrel tokens at locals today

[trail anvil]

dockside but now it's ✨ flying ✨

[stark skiff]

What the! No reminder text? Aren’t all the gifts something different lol

[sudden lava]

gift a card is always draw

[trail anvil]

they usually don't do reminder text on styles afaik

[sudden lava]

gift a fish is always a blue 1/1 fish

[copper pecan]

showcase cards never have reminder text

the normal version of the card has reminder text

[trail anvil]

someone pointed out this was nice for edh since you could give someone else the draw for politics, but at that point why not just run the og

[lusty trench]

More than one ig

[golden plover]

Yeah it's probably niche cedh playable

Not like we're lacking in counterspells tho

[stark skiff]

I know but every gift is different. Some they draw some they make a token. It’s not intuitive what you’re promising

But Summer cleared it up

[gritty nest]

Got this today

[golden plover]

Medium Good

[lusty trench]

1 mana token indestructible and life game mmmm

sorcery
Bad

[twilit canyon]

common good
a rare

good
is awful

[zinc shard]

This is funny in a Roxanne deck

[sudden lava]

that's terrible

[golden plover]

If this was an instant it'd be playable I think

Not in any real deck

But yeah

[trail anvil]

serving as a protection spell would make this real nice yeah lol

maybe they decided against it last second since you could just pay 1 mana to protect a board

for this mana cost I think it could be decent, but only if the tokens you copy are high value

[golden plover]

I mean if you're protecting the whole board of tokens for 1, you're still probably not winning

Also, obligatory "it's really good in draft"

In draft, it's 3-5 to copy your offspring tokens and double up on triggers, while keeping them safe

....wait green isn't an offspring color, right?

Offspring is white/red/blue

Oh offspring is bant + some red

[trail anvil]

I didn't realize it was even color restricted lol

[trail anvil]

like I said it depends what kind of tokens you're protecting

like if you have a deck that makes token copies of nontoken permanents

[golden plover]

There's 2 red + 2 black offspring

It's theoretically got a bit in every color

But it's centered in Azorious for draft

Typically for new mechanics, they do a few off color in draft

Like how there's like 2-3 green/black foretell cards

[sudden lava]

Why is Blor naked?

[gritty nest]

Why not

[stark skiff]

He’s already impervious

[gritty nest]

Most assassins I think are what, blue black?

[sudden lava]

Many, but we got several non blue black ones now

[gritty nest]

I know, I’m looking into building Ezio now and thinking how I want to do it

I’m probably just gonna stick to blue black mainly and use the other 3 for support

[sudden lava]

Fair, cuz you will need the black mana the most for freerunning and all

[gritty nest]

Yea. Also trying to build the deck on a budget

[trail anvil]

holy shit this commander

sadly a lot of good noncreature token cards are rotating, otherwise I might see this in constructed

4 tokens turning it into a 7/6 trample is wild though

[gritty nest]

That looks fucking sick though

[sudden lava]

Flavor fail this doesn't punch

[trail anvil]

this is so fun

[twilit canyon]

shame its in naya

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1261552142708117605/Halo-Fountain.jpg?ex=66935f7d&is=66920dfd&hm=7c12c75ca520e4d5724447b96dc88c6b9ab21b8bdfdf02c3ec2afc6102e52eef&=&format=webp&width=391&height=544

Halo Fountain support?

[trail anvil]

what'd you prefer, bant?

or just 2c

[twilit canyon]

3c is fine but naya is just ass

jeskai or grixis would have done it

[glad peak]

yeah, being naya is unfortunate for almost any chances of it seeing play

actually how's the dual land situation in standard, it's still advantaged towards wedges, right?

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_xmen2EycEOcRwXSIH-XEA trying to keep this under $200. How is it? (I know mana base is dookie dont remind me)

[gritty nest]

i found a textured foil jp Edward Kenway for 30 dollars

worth it?

[pulsar talon]

Why do people (specially commander players) hate sol ring?

[sudden lava]

I never seen someone hate sol ring

[gritty nest]

my only guess is they play 1v1 and hate it in 1v1?

[trail anvil]

I don't necessarily like sol ring as a card. I don't think of it as great design, but it's balanced out by the format

[rigid scarab]

It's in the same vein of fast mana, and it's incredibly powerful turn 1

If it wasn't so accessible, it would be hated just as much as mana crypt

[granite badge]

Tbf the accesibility is a big part

I see a lot of salt towards the expensive fast mana cards

Like moxes/mana crypt/etc

[golden plover]

Yeah if Sol Ring was a $100 card, you'd hear way more people wanting it banned

I think banning sol ring was the correct move, but it's far too late for that now

[golden plover]

Floodcaller is pretty decent

Not sure if there's a constructed deck for him

But he'll win you draft games a lot

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/mrdogodude/status/1811917424209330452?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

MrDogoDude 🔜🔜 MC Vegas, Maybe? (@MrDogoDude) on X

Good wholesome pack opening i swear!
#MagicTheGathering

Twitter · Jul 13, 2024, 12:15 AM

[trail anvil]

source https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/UlmQ9fii3j

[gritty nest]

I have a mighty need for that Emrakul

[trail anvil]

fr

[gritty nest]

I finally won with Yuma

[trail anvil]

rumbleweed?

[gritty nest]

That helped yea, I also exile wiped the board before

I was playing against 5c Ezio, and this mono blue horsemanship Voltron commander

[trail anvil]

that's a combination of words

[gritty nest]

lmao

idk the one dudes name, i just know its a human knight with horsemanship

[trail anvil]

ye you can run it in omo

if it's the one I'm thinking of

[gritty nest]

not [[Herald of Hoofbeats]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/moc/22/herald-of-hoofbeats

Herald of Hoofbeats <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Knight
Horsemanship (This creature can't be blocked except by creatures with horsemanship.)
Other Knights you control have horsemanship.
Most dismissed her love of horses as a passing childhood fancy. Years later it saved their lives.
3/3

[gritty nest]

[[!Lu Xun, Scholar General]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cma/41/lu-xun-scholar-general

Lu Xun, Scholar General

[trail anvil]

ah

that sounds kinda fun actually

[gritty nest]

its slower because his build isnt the greatest but it looks potent

its got the best built in evasion

[trail anvil]

I'd wanna do some shit like [[proft's eidetic memory]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters the battlefield, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[trail anvil]

even if it's precombat

[lusty trench]

cruelclaw is £22 preorder

I actually want to build this please don't screw me on this one other formats

[gritty nest]

i told him he should get [[Commander's Plate]] for the deck

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/305/commanders-plate

Commander's Plate <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+3 and has protection from each color that's not in your commander's color identity.
Equip commander
Equip
Not all beautiful things are fragile.

[trail anvil]

o for sure

[sudden lava]

hmmm

[golden plover]

What?

Literally what is the "combo"

[sudden lava]

Thing that turns stuff into snails
turn something big into a snail
fling the snail

[golden plover]

Why this card tho when you can do [[Conspiracy]] or whatever

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/39/conspiracy

Conspiracy <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
As Conspiracy enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control are the chosen type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.

[sudden lava]

It's just an example

you didnt even say the better one

[twilit canyon]

this is stupid as fuck. barely a combo more an interaction. and its a shit one too.

[sudden lava]

I never even said combo

[twilit canyon]

still shit

[sudden lava]

Let people cook

[twilit canyon]

there's cooking and then there's burning down the kitchen

this is the latter

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/eN5Z-jJT9UeRwrLmB9lLog What all changes do you guys think I could make to this deck?

[twilit canyon]

we have a kess expert in the chat

@clever sun

[gritty nest]

stonks

[twilit canyon]

p sure i know what she'll ask tho

which will likely be what power level and your budget

[gritty nest]

yes

lol

[clever sun]

Hi

[gritty nest]

hello

[gritty nest]

i was asking about my kess deck and you were pinged because expert

[clever sun]

Anyways, for Kess it really does depend on your power level

She can kind of do whatever

Not joking. Staxy gameplan, combo, midrange, control

Only thing she can suck at is more aggressive plans

[gritty nest]

8-9, if were going off the subjective 1-10 powerscale thing. But I do want to add stuff like Duals/Crypt etc.

[clever sun]

Oh and of course Storm but I lump that with combo

[clever sun]

I'll pause you there actually

[gritty nest]

and right now my goal has been either onyx smog and or make enough casts for grapeshot to one shot/lightning bolt with thousand year storm

[clever sun]

True duals are overkill

[gritty nest]

monetary wise or otherwise

[clever sun]

Otherwise

So double checking, you are somewhat low on artifact ramp

And too high on creatures

Definitely too high on planeswalkers

[gritty nest]

rowan and storm conduit were my first ideas for cuts tbh

[clever sun]

Chain of Smog and Grapes are not ideal in commander

Your best Storm payoff is actually [[Brain Freeze]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/57/brain-freeze

Brain Freeze <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target player mills three cards.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

[gritty nest]

fair

ill swap the lands that i removed the duals with back to what I had

[clever sun]

Yeah if you don't own them, you don't really need them

[gritty nest]

i planned on buying them tbh

[clever sun]

Actually just leave them off

[gritty nest]

fair

[clever sun]

Don't replace with lands

[gritty nest]

ah alright

[clever sun]

A lot of Grixis ramp involves artifact mana

[gritty nest]

cut storm conduit, rowan, and grapeshot as well

[clever sun]

Chrome Mox, Mox Opal, Lotus Petal, Mana Vault, Mox Diamond

[gritty nest]

Underworld Breach at all? or nah

[clever sun]

Commander's Sphere and Decanter are bad

Breach yes

Breach will be better than PiF on average

[gritty nest]

i see

[clever sun]

Play Dark Ritual

[gritty nest]

so as far as I know, the main goal has been onyx/smog, or create a high enough storm count for one shot with storm cards. But besides stacking up storm count with scepter, im guessing just playing your entire lineup twice over with breach/PiF will increase storm count enough?

[clever sun]

Yeah

[gritty nest]

added

[clever sun]

With Brain Freeze, you can loop Lotus Petal and Freeze for infinite storm count

Or at least

As big as your deck is

[gritty nest]

i didnt know breach affected every card, thought it was only instants and sorceries

[clever sun]

No Breach is a broken Magic card

[gritty nest]

so pretty much hit breach/petal/freeze asap

[clever sun]

You can also do it with Lion's Eye Diamond

but

[[$Lion's Eye Diamond]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/271/lions-eye-diamond

Prices for Lion's Eye Diamond

Vintage Masters

2.65 TIX

Magic Online Promos

2.91 TIX

Mirage

$464.08 • €289.83 • 4.09 TIX

[gritty nest]

fair

[clever sun]

Oh it's not the worst right now

[gritty nest]

i'll think about LED

[clever sun]

I also recommend [[Intuition]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/54/intuition

Intuition <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Search your library for three cards and reveal them. Target opponent chooses one. Put that card into your hand and the rest into your graveyard. Then shuffle.

[clever sun]

With Kess, it becomes even more powerful than you imagine

Shock is pretty bad

As is Big Score and Unexpected Windfall

And you'll find that See the Truth will play bad

[gritty nest]

yea ive had mixed experiences with it

[clever sun]

You don't need Looting too

[gritty nest]

i removed smog because i forgot about it at first

[clever sun]

Personal Tutor is also not great

At your aimed power level, Orcish Bowmasters becomes way better

As is Ledger Shredder and Opposition Agent

[gritty nest]

what about phyrexian arena and/or rhystic study?

[clever sun]

Rhystic is an auto-include I didn't even see you didn't have it

I wouldn't bother with Arena

If you want a lot of draw, play either [[Peer into the Abyss]] or [[Ad Nauseam]]

[gritty nest]

this is actually a duplicate of my IRL deck list, and for a while i havent owned a rhystic until recent

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https://scryfall.com/card/m21/117/peer-into-the-abyss

Peer into the Abyss <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Target player draws cards equal to half the number of cards in their library and loses half their life. Round up each time.
"Oh, don't be so dramatic. When your eyes bleed, and your brain leaks out your ears, then we'll talk about lost sanity." —Braids, dementia summoner

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/76/ad-nauseam

Ad Nauseam <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its mana value. You may repeat this process any number of times.
When the task spilled over into undeath, he stopped calling it his life's work.

[clever sun]

Not a fan of Twincast or Bedevil or Frantic Search too

Oh Hero's Downfall sucks as well

I'd also play Cabal Ritual

and Swan Song and recently Strix Serenade

Flusterstorm can also work very well for you

Opt can go. As can Consider

A Little Chat too

[gritty nest]

done

[clever sun]

Try Dispel

It's not for everyone but it's a card that frequently gets the job done

[gritty nest]

i can see it working now and then

[clever sun]

Fierce Guardianship, Deadly Rolick, and Deflecting Swat all are good for you too

Since Kess really likes being in play

Same with Force of Negation

Search for Azcanta can be fun and decent at the power level you aim for too

[gritty nest]

i feel like I missed a cut somewhere because im at 101 cards

[sudden lava]

this looks like a lot of fun in the right deck 😄

[gritty nest]

lightning bolt? or no

[clever sun]

Cut Urabrask

[gritty nest]

sadge

but understandable

[clever sun]

Or

[gritty nest]

too slow to do the thing

[clever sun]

Hmmm

Nightscape Familiar

That one is really bad

Oh NOW I see why things looked odd

You don't have Consultation or Pact

You'll want a fetchland mana base regardless

Thr only one that finds nothing for you is Windswept Heath

[gritty nest]

which pact btw?

assuming pact of negation

[clever sun]

Snow basics and regular basics are different

[[Tainted Pact]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ody/164/tainted-pact

Tainted Pact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile the top card of your library. You may put that card into your hand unless it has the same name as another card exiled this way. Repeat this process until you put a card into your hand or you exile two cards with the same name, whichever comes first.

[clever sun]

Both this and [[Demonic Consultation]] can be one card combos with Kess

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https://scryfall.com/card/me2/85/demonic-consultation

Demonic Consultation <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose a card name. Exile the top six cards of your library, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a card with the chosen name. Put that card into your hand and exile all other cards revealed this way.

[clever sun]

Keep in mind: these cards are breaching into cEDH territory

But, having Thassa's Oracle is already doing so

[gritty nest]

true

[clever sun]

Also [[Saw in Half]] is a very very good card

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https://scryfall.com/card/unf/88/saw-in-half

Saw in Half <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature. If that creature dies this way, its controller creates two tokens that are copies of that creature, except their base power is half that creature's power and their base toughness is half that creature's toughness. Round up each time.
The audience always loves it, but volunteers are divided.

[clever sun]

Not for opponent's but rather for your cards

[gritty nest]

so i will cut urabrask, Curse of the Swine?

[clever sun]

Not necessary but if you aren't going all in for a cEDH level, it's fine with Archmage Emeritus

I'd cut Curse yes

For Cyclonic Rift

Young Pyro and Third Path are also meh

If you want another fun combo

[gritty nest]

meaning bombardment isnt as helpful if I cut the both

[clever sun]

[[Glint-Horn Buccaneer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/141/glint-horn-buccaneer

Glint-Horn Buccaneer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Minotaur Pirate
Haste
Whenever you discard a card, Glint-Horn Buccaneer deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, Discard a card: Draw a card. Activate only if Glint-Horn Buccaneer is attacking.
2/4

[clever sun]

[[Malcolm, Keen-Eyes Navigator]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/161/malcolm-keen-eyed-navigator

Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to your opponents, you create a Treasure token for each opponent dealt damage. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2

[gritty nest]

lmfao

i thought malcolm was combat damage

thats funny

[clever sun]

No it's all damage

I'd leave Urabrask exactly because it can be itself a fun way to win a game. Same with Ral, Monsoon Mage.

[gritty nest]

okay so, cut third path, pyromancer, bombardment

cut basics? to add in the rest of the fetch lands

swap basics to snow basics

[clever sun]

You can mix them

1 Swamp, and 1 Snow-Covered Swamp

It's best to be in the habit of doing so anyways

[gritty nest]

why exactly?

[clever sun]

Since it leads to better deckbuilding

You want to play better lands

Constantly and cutting basics to make room is a good idea

You also never care about Blood Moon and it helps diversify any potential niche scenarios

Like cards that blow up all of X basic land type

[gritty nest]

i don't fully understand why snow basics, but ill probably understand in time

[clever sun]

Oh because they don't count as the same name

A Snow Swamp =/= a basic Swamp

Even though they are both basic lands

They have a different name

So say someone is looping [[The Stone Brain]] once a turn

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https://scryfall.com/card/bro/247/the-stone-brain

The Stone Brain <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact
, , Exile The Stone Brain: Choose a card name. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for up to four cards with that name and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way. Activate only as a sorcery.

[clever sun]

And they call basic island

You would only exile your basic island

But not any Snow-Covered Island

[gritty nest]

"But i said your basic islands!"

"different names"

[clever sun]

Actually that yes

[gritty nest]

also it stops [[Tainted Pact]] from failing right?

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https://scryfall.com/card/ody/164/tainted-pact

Tainted Pact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile the top card of your library. You may put that card into your hand unless it has the same name as another card exiled this way. Repeat this process until you put a card into your hand or you exile two cards with the same name, whichever comes first.

[clever sun]

Oh also another fun card: [[Exalted Flamer of Tzeench]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/40k/119★/exalted-flamer-of-tzeentch

Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Demon
Sorcerous Inspiration — At the beginning of your upkeep, return an instant or sorcery card at random from your graveyard to your hand.
Fire of Tzeentch — Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch deals 1 damage to each opponent.
2/4

[clever sun]

Yup

You don't need Pact at power levels 8-9

But Kess is easy to adapt to a higher power anyways

[gritty nest]

right now im at 101 cards, cut down to 1 of each basic

[clever sun]

So if you ever wanna have a cEDH list, you can make an easy adjustment

[clever sun]

Cut Crumbling Necropolis

[gritty nest]

fair enough

[clever sun]

[[Training Grounds]] beats Stormcarved Coast

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https://scryfall.com/card/mat/9/training-grounds

Training Grounds <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.

[clever sun]

Oh lol

[[Training Center]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/434/training-center

Training Center

Land
Training Center enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.
: Add or .
Between matches, combatants practice to stay in peak mental and physical form.