Magic the Gathering

[gritty nest]

Amazon I think

Or just look for the giant ass bat signal and take it

[zinc shard]

Just dont shine it at the sky or towards the ocean

[golden plover]

I always forget that [[Rhystic Study]] is pauper legal

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study

Rhystic Study <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .
Friends teach what you want to know. Enemies teach what you need to know.

[glad peak]

Yep, it’s not very good there though

[golden plover]

Oh 100%

It's just funny you can technically drop $400 for a playset in pauper

It's probably the most expensive pauper legal card

[twilit canyon]

base print?

[[lotus petal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/225/lotus-petal

Lotus Petal <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
, Sacrifice Lotus Petal: Add one mana of any color.
"Hard to imagine," mused Hanna, stroking the petal, "such a lovely flower inspiring such greed."

[gritty nest]

I thought most petals sit around $20

[golden plover]

Apparently that honor goes to [[Slashing Tiger]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me3/133/slashing-tiger

Slashing Tiger <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Cat
Whenever Slashing Tiger becomes blocked, it gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
"Unless you enter the tiger's lair, you cannot get hold of the tiger's cubs." —Sun Tzu, Art of War (trans. Giles)
3/3

[golden plover]

Tempest Petals go for $15 give or take

[twilit canyon]

rhystics arent that expensive baseline anymore

[golden plover]

If we include treatments, it's $500 for a Kaladesh inventions petal

[twilit canyon]

but inventions petals are like 500

[golden plover]

Rhystic is like $60-$100

[twilit canyon]

[[$rhystic study]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study

Prices for Rhystic Study

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$89.35 • 4.21 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$738.36

Jumpstart 2022

$43.30 • €34.47

Secret Lair Drop

$45.54

Jumpstart

$42.33 • €33.46

The List

$40.86 • €31.07

Magic Online Promos

2.86 TIX

Judge Gift Cards 2018

$159.47 • €119.55

Legendary Cube Prize Pack

5.92 TIX

[golden plover]

According to Scryfall, the cheapest printing is $40

[twilit canyon]

40 sounds more correct

[gritty nest]

Confetti rhystic study technically beats the kaladesh petal?

[golden plover]

Still, $120 for 4 copies of a card is the price of most decks in Pauper

Oh true

[gritty nest]

[[$Lotus Petal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/225/lotus-petal

Prices for Lotus Petal

30th Anniversary Misc Promos

$14.99

The List

$19.11 • €12.02

Kaladesh Inventions

$468.43 • €412.28 • 9.69 TIX

Tempest Remastered

10.40 TIX

From the Vault: Exiled

$81.36 • €44.79

Tempest

$17.84 • €11.76 • 11.30 TIX

[golden plover]

Confetti Rhystic wins out there

[twilit canyon]

i never noticed it going to 700

who tf wants a confetti foil

[stark skiff]

VALUE

[gritty nest]

Me running a $4000 pauper deck

[twilit canyon]

easily one of the least popular foils cus ive never seen it

[golden plover]

If we're only counting the baseline prints tho, the honor goes to Slashing Tiger and it's tied with [[Hunting Cheetah]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me3/124/hunting-cheetah

Hunting Cheetah <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Cat
Whenever Hunting Cheetah deals damage to an opponent, you may search your library for a Forest card, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
2/3

[golden plover]

They're almost all prohibitively expensive

[twilit canyon]

ug cats

my favorite pauper deck especially foiled

[golden plover]

Helps to make it not seen when all the confetti foils are $500+

[twilit canyon]

that def doesnt help

[gritty nest]

No they’re not

[[$Karmic Justice]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c15/72/karmic-justice

Prices for Karmic Justice

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$0.38 • €0.75 • 0.02 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$1.39 • 0.03 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$17.43

Commander 2015

$0.98 • €1.33

Odyssey

$3.18 • €4.76 • 0.07 TIX

[golden plover]

Okay all the good confetti foils

[gritty nest]

Grave pact is 50

So is bitterblossom

[golden plover]

Shit cards like Karmic Justice don't really matter. But even then, that's like $18 for a bad card

Tithe is $500

Doubling Season is $300

[twilit canyon]

silly prices

[gritty nest]

Defense of the Heart and Kindred Discovery is under $100

[golden plover]

Omniscience and Blood Moon are $200

[gritty nest]

Blood moon is $80

[golden plover]

Oh did it drop?

It used to be way more

[gritty nest]

Doubling season is $200

Tithe 400, Rhystic 700

[golden plover]

Hmm some of them went down a bit then

I remember looking at them relatively recently and basically all of the relevant ones were over $100

[gritty nest]

Omniscience is only $200 still because it has anime waifu tax imo

[golden plover]

Sidenote looking at them again

This art SUCKS

Coward

[gritty nest]

I think if it wasn’t anime it would go hard

But the anime style weakens that

[golden plover]

They drew Eriette in a lame-ass way

Since it doesn't show her mirror reflections

Eriette has an old woman face in the mirror

She's the oldest of the four witches

She just uses magic to make herself look young and pretty

[gritty nest]

I mean?

In the thing there

Not perfect and hard to tell but I think that’s it

[golden plover]

It's blurred and stuff so that they didn't have to draw an old anime woman

Even her OTJ art has it

[gritty nest]

She was in OTJ? Well then

[golden plover]

You can actually see it really well in her showcase from the set

Same with her WOE showcase

I don't love the WOE showcase, but at least they weren't afraid to show her old woman face

[gritty nest]

She looks like she has like

A massive chin in that art

[trail anvil]

her otj card is a shame cause the card pool doesn't support her enough. need more high cmc auras

[golden plover]

She really does

[trail anvil]

she's serving cunt with her real self and her reflected self, ate in 2 planes

that hair is everything

[golden plover]

Yeah, I like her OTJ card design, but she was a weird inclusion for draft

Because there's 2 auras as a whole in the draft

And pretty much every high cmc aura in the game is already a steal effect

[gritty nest]

If I enchant player do I steal the player?

[golden plover]

Nah, she only targets creatures

But you can [[Mindslaver]] them

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/176/mindslaver

Mindslaver <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Legendary Artifact
, , Sacrifice Mindslaver: You control target player during that player's next turn. (You see all cards that player could see and make all decisions for the player.)
It's a helm that leaves the head at its most vulnerable.

[gritty nest]

I know

I was hoping to hear a “steal their hearts” joke

[golden plover]

Oh my god I forgot you can mindslaver someone in OTJ draft

Obviously, a very bad idea

But it's funny

[trail anvil]

this is 100% the best excuse to princess carry your partner

[golden plover]

Another fun OTJ fact

People have discussed banning [[Oko Thief of Crowns]] in OTJ draft

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/197/oko-thief-of-crowns

Oko, Thief of Crowns <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Oko
+2: Create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
+1: Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3.
−5: Exchange control of target artifact or creature you control and target creature an opponent controls with power 3 or less.
Loyalty: 4

[gritty nest]

I’d somehow lose after hitting someone with it

[gritty nest]

I don’t think my girlfriend would appreciate me doing it to her

I’d also break my back in the process

[golden plover]

The only other cards that have ever been on the table for a draft ban are Oko in ELD and [[Pack Rat]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/73/pack-rat

Pack Rat <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Rat
Pack Rat's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Rats you control.
, Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of Pack Rat.
*/*

[golden plover]

Although Writhing Chrysalis is making a strong argument for one too

[trail anvil]

shame

still amazed that thing was a common

[golden plover]

Technically [[Amulet of Ouz]] is banned in draft

[trail anvil]

uncommon would've probably even made it fine

[lost widget]

No card found for “Amulet of Ouz”

[gritty nest]

I would literally hit my gf with mind slaver just to show her how to kill me in a game of magic without back seating

[golden plover]

[[Amulet of Quoz]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ice/308/amulet-of-quoz

Amulet of Quoz <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
Remove Amulet of Quoz from your deck before playing if you're not playing for ante.
, Sacrifice Amulet of Quoz: Target opponent may ante the top card of their library. If they don't, you flip a coin. If you win the flip, that player loses the game. If you lose the flip, you lose the game. Activate only during your upkeep.

[golden plover]

But that's because it's the only draftable ante card

And it self-bans

[gritty nest]

Still sounds worth running for free thinning

[golden plover]

Yeah probably

I dunno what Ice Age limited looks like tho

[trail anvil]

I gotta say the expend mechanic reminds me of lux in lor

[gritty nest]

Who?

[golden plover]

Shame they hated Lux in LoR

[gritty nest]

Oh I was right

But never heard of the game

[glad peak]

wait they hated lux?

[golden plover]

She's literally the only champ they made an entirely new version of

They said her playstyle didn't fit the region

[glad peak]

i only played beta and a couple months at the start

[golden plover]

And so they remade a boring lux instead

[glad peak]

what's the reworked lux?

[golden plover]

I played competitively for a while until it became midrange value pile hell

[gritty nest]

Isn’t that kinda the point? She’s a magic user in lands that banned magic

[golden plover]

Spirit is boring

It's +1/+1 counters

[glad peak]

is the old lux still in the game or completely reworked

[golden plover]

She's still in the game

But she's only in eternal and only has 3/5 stars available in the singleplayer mode

Oh and cosmetics for one don't apply for the other

[glad peak]

ah not too bad then, i was disappointed when they changed ezreal

[gritty nest]

That’s the worst part wtf

[golden plover]

LoR has the bones of a very good game

But they only want midrange value piles

[glad peak]

LoR is a very good beta

[golden plover]

And now Eddie exists

[glad peak]

and it never grew out of it

Eddie?

[golden plover]

Yeah i remember Lux/Karma being such a fun deck in beta

I helped finalize the competitive lists we were using back then

[gritty nest]

Tell me they ruined it without telling me they ruined it

[golden plover]

Note his card text isn't what matters

[glad peak]

i remember some Anivia Ezreal build i really liked but i know it wasn't the best

[golden plover]

It's his stupid fucking origin that broke the game

[glad peak]

Anivia being another that was changed by quite a bit

[gritty nest]

What’s an origin

[glad peak]

how do origins work?

[golden plover]

So Runeterran champs don't use regions

They use origins

Origins are other conditions for what cards you can put in the deck

Like how Jhin lets you put any follower with a skill

[gritty nest]

So basically character specific deck building rules

[golden plover]

Yeah

You traded a second region for them

[trail anvil]

duel links skills

[golden plover]

Although they kinda became really lame really fast

[glad peak]

huh, so you can do either 2 regions or 1 region 1 origin?

[golden plover]

Like Evelyn's was just "you can run my package"

[trail anvil]

you can do 2 origins even

[golden plover]

Think of each runeterran champ as their own region

[glad peak]

i'll run her package any time of the day

but actually it does seem kinda lame

[golden plover]

So your regions would be like Bilgewater/Bard or Noxus/Jhin

[gritty nest]

[glad peak]

in-built engines but it did kinda make sense with how the game was designed

[gritty nest]

I can’t say much I have a few Evelyn skins in lol

[trail anvil]

she's the cuntiest champ

[golden plover]

Bard, Aatrox, Kayne, Jax, Varus, and Evelyn all have origins to the extent of "You can run my package"

[glad peak]

since the champions were a big part of the design of the game it makes sense they'd pigeonhole you further into specific packages

[sudden lava]

Nah thats not a beyblade

[golden plover]

But Jhin, Ryze, Neeko, and The Poro King were more open ended

Elder Dragon is TOO open ended

[glad peak]

i still remember listening to a story about her and suddenly she's in the front lawn of some woman with her husband and i was just confused

[sudden lava]

As much as a beyblade UB would go hard, nah

[golden plover]

Ryze is "spells that don't target"

So he became a control shell

Neeko is "units with a subtype"

[trail anvil]

control/combo

[golden plover]

And she's a bad aggro deck because she wanted to play a bunch of differnt subtypes

[trail anvil]

a very annoying mix lol

[golden plover]

Yeah fuck Ryze

Annoying ass deck to play against

[twilit canyon]

runeterra in the magic chat

mtg in the ygo chat

it really be like that some times

[glad peak]

time to go into ygo chat

[trail anvil]

I feel like riot simultaneously listened too much to users and also not enough

[golden plover]

Yeah true

They listened on things that didn't matter half the time

Or nerfed random shit because the average ladder gold player didn't like it

[glad peak]

everyone wants everything to be midrange until they actually play in a midrange format

[twilit canyon]

need aggro to punish midrange

need control to punish aggro

[golden plover]

Literally in LoR's last rotation, they outright said "we want to move away from archetypes that are too spell-focused"

LoR also had some REALLY fun aggro to play until they ruined the game too

Annie/Jhin was a FUN deck

[glad peak]

what happened to GPMF?

[golden plover]

And I was a Lurk defender because that deck was cool as hell

[glad peak]

or MF+any demacia champ

[golden plover]

MF got a new best friend

Quinn

Curves into her after MF

[glad peak]

oh sweet so no more MF garen (garen being top end)?

[golden plover]

Scout is "The first time you attack each round, if your only attacking units have Scout, regain the attack token"

[trail anvil]

gp became besties with sejuani after it's okay

[glad peak]

i think i still have darius elise lol

is TF still being shoved in everywhere?

[golden plover]

he got rotated

But yeah, he was up until then

And the only reason he isn't now is because Elder Dragon is MORE splashable

[glad peak]

even after a bunch of (what my friend told me) nerfs, he's still in every deck till the end, truly my fav

[golden plover]

There was also a time Samira was in every deck

She was just too much value engine

I remember the nightmare rock paper scissors format on the ladder where it was Samira/TF, TF/Akshan, or Samira/Akshan

One of the game's few tier 0 formats up until recently

The classic tier 0 was Azir/Irellia tho

But that's probably enough LoR talk

I just miss that game's good formats

[glad peak]

i miss when i was excited for the game

[golden plover]

Same

Beta, the first expansion, and few others were really good

I was playing comp for a bit and it was great for a while

Now I just feel sad about the game

[glad peak]

did yasuo ever get his support?

i remember people were coping that he would finally get support

[golden plover]

He got a boat that made him good for a while

[trail anvil]

he was genuinely tier 1 iirc

[golden plover]

And he saw comp play with Leona because she incindentally had the word "stun" on a couple of her cards

There were like 3 times in the game's life where he was good

[trail anvil]

and the daylight stun 2 drop was really nice

[golden plover]

He's also VERY strong in the singleplayer mode

He has a skill there that stuns the strongest enemy every turn

[glad peak]

singleplayer mode?

[golden plover]

Path of Champions

It's a "roguelite"

[glad peak]

maybe i'll try it again for at least that

[golden plover]

You upgrade your champs and draft during a run to take on harder bosses

I play it at work because I've got nothing better to do

It's not bad, but don't expect it to be Slay the Spire level quality

[gritty nest]

What is your guys least favorite color and why

[golden plover]

Honestly probably green

Green is kinda too shoe-horned into only getting to do "haha combat" things

[lusty trench]

Probably white tbh

[glad peak]

i'm going to try and get my lgs to play primordial because they have a bunch of older sets in holding and i want to test it

[trail anvil]

I think red?

[glad peak]

playstyle wise? green

[gritty nest]

Why’s that Komi and Jotlico?

[glad peak]

design wise? red, red gets everything and gets to turbo out everything

[trail anvil]

for me it's mostly based off the decks I do like and in order of what I like

[lusty trench]

White cards seem like they always do the same things

[golden plover]

That's what makes red fun

It gets to do everything

[trail anvil]

I don't hate red it's just that the other colors have more of the fun stuff for me

[golden plover]

White has gotten a bit better at having some variety now

[glad peak]

it's very fun but i dont like the design of it much

green is just boring

[gritty nest]

For me it’s black

[glad peak]

unless you play the small amount of manastorm green decks

[gritty nest]

I only like it for the tutors and removal

Followed by green, unless it’s multicolored

The more I think about it my dislike for black is ironic

What is your guys favorite color?

[glad peak]

playstyle wise? red

[trail anvil]

black or green

[glad peak]

design wise, blue

[gritty nest]

Blue for play and red for design imo

[trail anvil]

to me multicolored green is way too fun, simic to me is the "do big stuff" color

I wanna get more into big red spells

[gritty nest]

The most fun I’ve had with simic is honestly omo

[trail anvil]

yeah she's really fun

[stark skiff]

Yeah those losers

[gritty nest]

I was thinking about it because I thought about building a deck for every possible color option

But for mono colored and colorless I’m stumped

[trail anvil]

that looks nice to me

[gritty nest]

Dimir is my least favorite combination

[glad peak]

unless you want to go bankrupt i wouldn't suggest building and maintaining 32 decks

[trail anvil]

I think I agree with that tbh, usually it's pretty boring besides theft decks

[gritty nest]

Fair

And I already have gonti for theft

[stark skiff]

Wish there was a good Rakdos and Dimir commander

[gritty nest]

Yuriko

Sethron

Sethron is one of my favorite commanders ever

[trail anvil]

kardur is my favorite rakdos deck

[gritty nest]

[[kardur, doomscourge]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/216/kardur-doomscourge

Kardur, Doomscourge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Demon Berserker
When Kardur, Doomscourge enters the battlefield, until your next turn, creatures your opponents control attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.
Whenever an attacking creature dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
4/3

[trail anvil]

ye

super goad

[glad peak]

captive ob is literally just there

[trail anvil]

ob exists ig

[gritty nest]

[[Sethron, Hurloon General]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/25/sethron-hurloon-general

Sethron, Hurloon General <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Minotaur Warrior
Whenever Sethron, Hurloon General or another nontoken Minotaur enters the battlefield under your control, create a 2/3 red Minotaur creature token.
: Minotaurs you control get +1/+0 and gain menace and haste until end of turn. ( can be paid with either or .)
4/4

[gritty nest]

Put the fear of [[didgeridoo]] in people

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https://scryfall.com/card/me3/194/didgeridoo

Didgeridoo <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
: You may put a Minotaur permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.
"Play the song of he who delivered us. Play the song of Feroz." —Onatah, Anaba Shaman

[gritty nest]

The funniest thing is didgeridoo is a RL card

[stark skiff]

Satoru Umezawa is the funnest Dimir I’ve played so far

[trail anvil]

more like didgeridon't am I right guys

[gritty nest]

Didgeridong

Someone once blew up my friends decanter, their only source of green, while I had didgeridoo on the table

[stark skiff]

Didgeridoodoo

[gritty nest]

I proceeded to puke out neheb the eternal and another 5 drop Minotaur

[trail anvil]

very deserved

wasting your removal on stupid shit means the good shit gets through

[gritty nest]

Exactly

It was funny

He deserved it

He hard targeted my friend because it was scry turbo

I forget the commanders but one was add equal the what you drew and the other said draw instead of scry

My Sheldon spellbook secret lairs have finally shipped

[gritty nest]

I just learned what tiny leaders is

It sounds fun

[sudden lava]

whats tiny leaders?

[twilit canyon]

stay uninformed

[gritty nest]

EDH but 50 card decks and everything is 3 MV or less

[glad peak]

a format that's only good if mixed with pauper and kamigawa block constructed

tiny leaders was an interesting concept but overall not different enough

[gritty nest]

Fair

I ran into this dude who had some wild lore takes

That Saheeli died on ixalan due to phyrexians and that both them and eldrazi are coming back because of mh3

Also something to do with urabrask coming back or some shit

[sudden lava]

tomorrow or the day after is the legendary mercenary weasel

[trail anvil]

lmao the chilmil midweek magic event has a cancer t2 win charbelcher deck. but then there's an even more cancer t1 win deck with cultivator colossus + transmogrify on a khalni garden token, into cultivator colossus + 20 burn deserts from otj

I think for the second one at least you have to hard drawn khalni garden

[trail anvil]

that said I think I'm seeing a lot more legitimate decks than cheese ones

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-weasel-thirsty-gif-14823734

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/pleasantkenobi/status/1810570698370294032?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

PleasantKenobi (@PleasantKenobi) on X

Scheduled reminder: "pile shuffling" isn't shuffling. If it evenly distributes anything in your deck, it's cheating. If you have to do a different shuffle afterwards to randomise, then it was ineffectual and is time wasting.

Do I need to another video?

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 7:04 AM

[trail anvil]

like this one hot damn lmao

[sleek ferry]

I don’t think there’s a more insufferable person in tcg’s than PK tbh

[trail anvil]

isn't pile shuffing just glorified cutting if you put the piles back randomly

[sleek ferry]

Pole shuffling accomplishes 2 things, lets you verify card count going into any game after game 1, and evenly distributes cluttered up lands from the game before

[trail anvil]

I do really like verifying the card count

I've fucked up siding a couple of times where that's saved me for sure lol

[sleek ferry]

Yeah if all you’re doing is pile shuffling and not doing at least 1-2 mashes that can be sus, but your opponent always has the option to cut your deck

[stark skiff]

I like to pile shuffle shrug

Just easier with a 100 cards

Still give it a quick cut or two and then opponent cuts shrug

[trail anvil]

I probably should more often but I have big hands apparently so I just do a quick shuffle

[stark skiff]

#blessed

[glad peak]

pile shuffling is only good for verifying card counts and breaking up the deck to shuffle smaller clumps at a time

but also no, no more videos please pk

[stark skiff]

damn who bought out Shadowy Backstreets

only 3 listings for borderless foil 2 at $50 and then 1 at $60

[trail anvil]

how was this thing so cheap for so long

[stark skiff]

all the rest are around 20-30

except for Hedge Maze at like 45

[trail anvil]

this is the ug one isn't it

[[hedge maze]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/262/hedge-maze

Hedge Maze

Land — Forest Island
(: Add or .)
Hedge Maze enters the battlefield tapped.
When Hedge Maze enters the battlefield, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)

[stark skiff]

yea

[trail anvil]

man lmao

what are people using this in

[stark skiff]

no idea lol my store ended up opening that MKM Collectors box on his own

and pulled 3 borderless foil lands so i just bought the singles off them. One of them being Shadowy which is why i was shocked at the buyout lol

[trail anvil]

jeez lmao

[stark skiff]

yeah it was shadowy, hedge and I think the blue/red one

didnt bring my cards in so i dont remember off top or i woulda taken a pic of them lol

rest was whatever. A Trostani Showcase Invisible Ink (honestly its kinda disappointing)

[trail anvil]

that invisible ink style is pretty bad

[stark skiff]

Extended Leyline and Extended Doppelgang foil and the borderless foil rhino card

its actually pretty neat on like Vein Ripper and the Sphinx but Trostani has like a lame symbol and thats it

[trail anvil]

I just hate the frame to begin with tbh

leyline and doppelgang are fun tho

I love using the latter in omo

[gritty nest]

Rip cheap Surveil lands

[stark skiff]

yeah thats what they ended up pulling in their box

collector box

the lands are still cheap

i was just talking borderless foils one

[gritty nest]

O

Never mind

[stark skiff]

had a blast with Altair today

need more discard cards tho lol

[gritty nest]

Nice, glad you like it

[stark skiff]

its definitely protect the commander tho so i need a bunch of protection

kept getting exiled which sucked

[gritty nest]

Swiftfoot greaves is a start

[subtle sierra]

How's standard rn?

Are there any control decks that are viable?

[zinc shard]

there's a bunch of midrange decks, and UW Control

the wincon is [[The Wandering Emperor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/42/the-wandering-emperor

The Wandering Emperor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
Flash
As long as The Wandering Emperor entered the battlefield this turn, you may activate her loyalty abilities any time you could cast an instant.
+1: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature. It gains first strike until end of turn.
−1: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with vigilance.
−2: Exile target tapped creature. You gain 2 life.
Loyalty: 3

[zinc shard]

or Sunfall

but also Standards gonna rotate next month

[subtle sierra]

Oh right rotation

Rip wandering emperor

[fallow citrus]

wandering straight out of standard

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Sugar-Coat-400x559.webp

[glad peak]

I’m not gonna sugar coat it

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Brambleguard-Captain-400x559.webp

repeatable valiant enabler

[golden plover]

I get why, but that rules text is weird AF

"Enchant Creature or Food"

[golden plover]

Huh so not all calamity beasts are legendary

[sudden lava]

yeah

[copper pecan]

quaketusk seems crazy at uncommon

[golden plover]

Yeah it's ridiculous in draft

[lusty trench]

Me asking wotc to do something with orzhov that isn’t gaining life

[golden plover]

Quaketusk is also gonna be the stealth reach card of the set

Getting big Chrysalis vibes

[lusty trench]

Why does he have reach

I’m pretty sure the birds would deal with these boars just fine

Lightning as well

[golden plover]

Why does he have reach yeah

[glad peak]

For a moment I thought you meant reach as synonymous with burn until I read it again lol

[golden plover]

5 mana for a 5/5 with haste, trample, and reach is kinda insane tbh

[sudden lava]

Mable's mettle is clearly for the mice valiant deck, but works for other white decks in the draft pool.
Birds and bats are evasive so pump spells are nice, rabbits go wide so easy enough to get 2 targets for it on board, and obviously mice is for triggering valiant twice

[golden plover]

Like this is a card that really should be rare in draft

[glad peak]

I don’t really like tribal themes in draft but so far it’s not too bad

Since it usually leads to pigeonholing a drafter into a color combo from pick 1

[lusty trench]

Feels more like ravnica guilds cause they’res a lot of em

[glad peak]

Now just need to see them dual lands

If we get good dual support and continuing to have lesser tribal themes then I can say this is a good draft set

[sudden lava]

Quaketusk could be good for enabling expend effects

[lusty trench]

I’d wait till all cards are revealed cause there could be a chrysalis level fuck up for it

[sudden lava]

and act as a counter to the 2 fliers for prerelease/draft

[golden plover]

Yeah Quaketusk reads CRAZY to me rn

[glad peak]

Quaketusk is an amazing card regardless of expend

[golden plover]

At least for draft

It might be weaker based on the other cards

But it's both an aggressive threat and a stealth reach blocker

Hell, I'd probably take it over most rares we've seen so far

[lusty trench]

I think it’s fine given the sheer amount of removal we’ve seen in the common slot

Good removal at that

[golden plover]

Yeah there's more removal than usual, which is good

[copper pecan]

[[charging monstrosaur]] was uncommon in ixalan

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/138/charging-monstrosaur

Charging Monstrosaur <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample, haste
"I knew I should have stayed with the boat. Always stay with the boat!"
5/5

[golden plover]

Because play booster sets have had issues with removal in their drafts so far

[sudden lava]

lizards would enjoy the trample, trash pandas can get expend off of it, not sure about it in otters other then it being on its own a good card, and mice are aggro so yes put it in

[golden plover]

I mean, sometimes you're not looking for synergy in draft

Sometimes you just want a card that says "close the game out"

There's food in this draft, so games are gonna go longer as is

[glad peak]

Or a card that says “destroy itself and your opponent sacrifices 2-3 creatures”

[golden plover]

Yeah true

If nothing else, it's a solid tempo swing

[glad peak]

Since it’ll have to be fully blocked and it looks to be a grindy grindy set

[sudden lava]

Zoraline is neat

[golden plover]

Zoraline is kinda boring ngl

[lusty trench]

I just realised season of loss is gonna be crazy in limited

[glad peak]

It’s fully possible that the boar isn’t good just because red doesn’t have card advantage

[lusty trench]

Orzhov.card

[golden plover]

Tbh, I'm not sure how much of draft is tribal RN or not

Looks like draft is very forced tribal

[lusty trench]

A lot of the tribal cards also add their ally species too

[sudden lava]

not something I'd build (Unless the pulls force me into playing bats) but I hope the bat players enjoy them

[golden plover]

Yeah true. It looks like you've got a little bit more room

But forced tribal in draft feels bad if you can't get it working

Especially if like 2 players are in the same tribes

[lusty trench]

Ixalan draft

[sudden lava]

Im excited for us getting weasels later today

[glad peak]

Yeah, adding the secondary ally makes it bit easier to justify the forced draft problem but we’ll have to test to be sure

[golden plover]

Ixalan draft felt MISERABLE if you were behind and drafting a theme someone else was already on

[lusty trench]

I’m surprised they didn’t do ferrets

[glad peak]

I really wish we get good duals so we can avoid that problem

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't like the uncommon fixing land cycle

[sudden lava]

https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/7u6u5do9bcsc.webp

[lusty trench]

Ig otters are kinda like ferrets visually

FERRET

[golden plover]

And the uncommon dual creature cycle is... Fine?

[glad peak]

So in that way we can at least draft good cards in secondary tribes and go into 3 colors

[sudden lava]

weasel

[lusty trench]

😠 ferrets better but weasel is acceptable I suppose

[sudden lava]

But close, because otters, weasels, and ferrets all belong to the same family

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR6aKn06iNs&ab_channel=ForrestValkai

[lusty trench]

I just realised how bad some tribes are gonna have it vs others

Like some have well established tribal themes already

[golden plover]

Yeah, rn it looks like frogs and otters are gonna be tougher to draft

[sudden lava]

same with badgers

[lusty trench]

And some are raccoons

[golden plover]

Since both need off-theme cards too

[lusty trench]

I think there’s like 4 non bloomburrow raccoons

And one is un set

[sudden lava]

and we know this art is definitely legendary

[lusty trench]

It’s a really cool looking card art with the poisoned rapier but I hope it’s effect is cool to match

[sudden lava]

reason we know its coming today (or tomorrow)

[glad peak]

I don’t like the lands so far but the dual color commons and signpost uncommons look fine

It’s literally all up to the fixing now

[golden plover]

The uncommons are more splashable since hybrid mana at least

[glad peak]

Yeah that’s what I like the most about it, hybrid leads to better splashing and a better net for when you can’t force a theme

[sudden lava]

The way Voxy reacted to the reveal suggests WOTC decided to play into the weasel joke

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/moosebaby9000/status/1811043422477713417?t=4dH1p-QYtOVc2vfoHzo3wQ&s=19

Campbell White (@moosebaby9000) on X

"Endurance" illustration for Modern Horizons 3 #magicthegathering #evoke

Twitter · Jul 10, 2024, 2:22 PM

[golden plover]

Manifold Mouse reads as 4 mana 1/2 that comes with a 1/1 and grants both because you're not dropping that on 2

Depends on how good other mice are in draft, but seems not great without some buffing effects

[sudden lava]

Alright so 3 mana pump your board by +2/+0 but if you give the opponent food you get to give something first strike (and activate a valiant effect for that thing if possible).
A removal spell that can revive something if you give a draw.
and griswold said everything to be said about Manifold

oh wait it doesnt revive, it just adds to hand, meh

[golden plover]

Consumed by Greed SUCKS

Even in limited it's like bottom pick

It's sometimes good removal ig

[copper pecan]

people ran [[soul shatter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/127/soul-shatter

Soul Shatter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker with the highest mana value among creatures and planeswalkers they control.
The Kargan tribes share legends of the victory their ancestors won over the Akoum Skyclave, and its horrendous cost.

[copper pecan]

in constructed even

[golden plover]

Ehh might be decent then

But I can't see you ever gifting them

That's my other issue with gift

There's times where it's just straight up never worth doing

[copper pecan]

i feel like you are drastically underestimating this mechanic

[golden plover]

I mean it's a very all or nothing mechanic

On cards like the exile, it's not bad to gift them

But here it feels like you're not getting enough advantage

Doesn't matter in commander there where you can gift someone else

[copper pecan]

there are times when getting a creature out of your graveyard can win you the game

[golden plover]

Yeah true

But you've also gotta hope that you didn't give them the answer

[sudden lava]

Oh forgot

https://i.redd.it/saifu5klnpbd1.jpeg

this is the baby

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkCV42SiRk

[zinc shard]

I AM gonna Sugar Coat it

[copper pecan]

ngl i hope every video he puts out is his least viewed video, the guy is annoying as fuck

[golden plover]

What's wrong with the professor?

[copper pecan]

his constant negativity about literally everything?

[golden plover]

It's really only the titles and certain products

He like a lot of things about MTG

[copper pecan]

it's really not

[golden plover]

But he uses clickbaity titles and stuff a lot

[copper pecan]

he very much comes across to me as someone who stopped enjoying the game years ago and only makes videos about it because if he stopped his channel would die and he'd stop making money

his whole "(insert set here) is TERRIBLE" thing that he does every time anything gets announced does actual damage to the community and i'm sick of it

[glad peak]

I think after PK and the professor met and started working together both of them started spiraling and realizing negative emotions get clicks

[sleek ferry]

professor and PK are both just extremely negative about everything

[glad peak]

They used to be positive at the start, I still remember the professor was excited to present even mono blue tron

[golden plover]

Unfortunately that's also partially YouTube for you

People don't wanna watch positive happy videos

What if it was all a dream

[hidden ermine]

I mean

Iirc the professor was quite very hyped on the Dr who decks

[rigid scarab]

Prof still does positive videos

[hidden ermine]

He doesnt strime me as someone who doesnt like the game

[rigid scarab]

Whenever he does a positive video we see him lamenting in that very video that the positive ones don't do as well

[hidden ermine]

As much as someone who just dislikes a lot of the games direction, and that ... honestly seems to be a common position?

[rigid scarab]

I mean heck Prof called MH3 the best ever modern horizons

[twilit canyon]

hes right

mh3 is the best mh set

and probs the best set in a long time

[hidden ermine]

Even with Nardu?

[trail anvil]

if nadu is the only problem that sounds pretty good to me

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Sunspine-Lynx.jpg

A new kitty has appeared

[twilit canyon]

nadu is the only real problem and its honestly not as powerful raw as hogaak was

and i think if cards around nadu are banned the deck is stopped

[golden plover]

There's a couple hella pushed cards

But Nadu is the biggest

[golden plover]

Also this is just wrong

Nadu performed better at the PT than Hogaak did ever

[twilit canyon]

yeah

but if u take nadu's tools away rn

it just doesnt have much going for it

u couldnt take away gaak's tools

but nadu very much can

[golden plover]

I think leaving Nadu in the format is probably the wrong call tho

Sooner or later something new breaks him again

[twilit canyon]

yet, i cant think of anything thats healthy that could be printed for that

[golden plover]

It's probably better in the long run to get rid of him sooner and not after banning something like Shuko (which would be the dumbest ban lmao) and then a new card comes out and Nadu takes off again

[twilit canyon]

like, wotc has known that 0 mana equip costs is largely a mistake

think living weapon and/or actual free equipping

[golden plover]

Yeah, but the way he's written doesn't necessarily mean it's gotta be a 0 mana equip that breaks him

[twilit canyon]

ppl forget but shuko was broken in the breakfast combo too

[golden plover]

A cheap/copyable spell and enough use of his ability can do it and go mana positive

[twilit canyon]

breakfast just lost its efficiency and quality

[twilit canyon]

sure but thats not a healthy card

[golden plover]

Shuko on the banlist would look embarrassing lmao

[twilit canyon]

thats a big reason they have constantly put these effects at higher costs

[golden plover]

Besides, Nadu lists would probably switch to running Greaves

It'd slow him down a little and they'd lose the saga play

[twilit canyon]

and thats huge

cus u cant tutor shu

*greaves

[golden plover]

But you'd realistically have to hit Shuko, Greaves, Lavaspur, and Swiftfoot boots

[twilit canyon]

no

[golden plover]

Since realistically they could make it work with Lavaspur too

[twilit canyon]

1 mana equips are way easier to beat

cus u cant do the combos like that

nadu's strength is being mana positive

[golden plover]

It's saga-able and it has the ability to work there

[twilit canyon]

we see in timeless or historic it has absolutely no prescebce

[golden plover]

They'd also have to ban all the en-Kors in modern then

[twilit canyon]

*presence

[golden plover]

Timeless is missing key cards for the deck

[twilit canyon]

yeah no shuko

[golden plover]

No Saga, no Shuko, no Dryad Arbor

[twilit canyon]

dryad isnt as big a deal

no shuko or saga hurts

this is true in historic

a weaker format

deck just does not exist

[golden plover]

Also no Outrider

[twilit canyon]

breakfast piece yup but point in

those are design mistake cards

[golden plover]

Banning Shuko would lead to people just playing a slightly different build with Lavaspur boots and outrider en-Kor

[twilit canyon]

like, breakfast has historically been broken as hell

[golden plover]

But the thing is they're only broken with a good enough payoff

[twilit canyon]

these bans arent going to be missed

[golden plover]

Nadu is the issue here

[twilit canyon]

yeah but i dont think you need to is my point

[golden plover]

Banning 5 other cards to keep the bird around and having him break random new cards in the future isn't ideal

[twilit canyon]

and banning around nadu is a better meta game overall

[golden plover]

It's easier to hit the actual problem card

[twilit canyon]

bc the cards you hit should have been gone anyway

like if they hit thoracle no one will miss it

if they hit breakfast, good riddance

[golden plover]

Thoracle going in everywhere it's legal would be cool, yeah

[twilit canyon]

if they hit saga that'd be good too

[golden plover]

But historically, hitting every card that's a design mistake isn't feasible

That's like 50 cards easy and half of them aren't playable outside of specific situations

It's so much easier to just go "Yeah Nadu is gone"

[twilit canyon]

right which imo would be a mistake

[zinc shard]

At least they're not DesalatorMagic... dude does nothing but bitch about the game.

[golden plover]

I mean, Shuko isn't gonna see PT play without Nadu

[twilit canyon]

just bc its not like they wont print more enablers in the future

[zinc shard]

oh didnt scroll down

[golden plover]

Nadu is gonna ruin another PT with or without Shuko

[twilit canyon]

idt so

modern challenges are not supporting nadu

merfolk farms the shit out of nadu

theres a lot of capable decks beating nadu rn

[golden plover]

The other issue is that Nadu is a non-game no matter what

Like Nadu isn't playing the board

He's not playing around the opponent

You either see combo and win or you don't and lose

[glad peak]

DesolatorMagic… now that’s a name I haven’t heard of in a while

[golden plover]

That's not a very fun or interactive deck at best

[twilit canyon]

i dont disagree that the combo itself is annoying bc of play pattern

[golden plover]

Cards have historically died for annoying play patterns too

I mean, look at Yorion

[glad peak]

He’s the “I beat my netdecking scumbag shop with lifegain” guy, right?

[golden plover]

He's also the one who said that one hydra enchant was gonna break the game

[lusty trench]

?

This one?

[copper pecan]

not that one

[golden plover]

Nah the theros one

Can't remember the card

It's literally a random draft uncommon

[copper pecan]

yeah it's the one that puts a counter on the enchanted creature every turn

[golden plover]

Puts a +1/+1 counter on a card, then each upkeep doubles the number of counters

Slightly better than a counter a turn

But like... Cool you spent 8 mana for a 16/16 that I can just murder

[sleek ferry]

[[hydra growth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/172/hydras-growth

Hydra's Growth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
When Hydra's Growth enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on enchanted creature.
At the beginning of your upkeep, double the number of +1/+1 counters on enchanted creature.

[lusty trench]

Wait you mean this? [[Hydras growth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/172/hydras-growth

Hydra's Growth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
When Hydra's Growth enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on enchanted creature.
At the beginning of your upkeep, double the number of +1/+1 counters on enchanted creature.

[twilit canyon]

cute. bad but cute.

[golden plover]

Yeah Hydra's Growth

[sleek ferry]

i would have loved the lynx if domain wasnt deadge in standard post rotation

[golden plover]

He was like "this is gonna be the best card in standard"

[lusty trench]

Bruh I can tell you that card sucks ass

And I'm famously bad at reading card power levels

[golden plover]

Lynx feels like it was designed around being an eternal sideboard card

But it's probably a bit too weak for that

[twilit canyon]

its half a pop

but 2x the mana

if it was a 2 drop i'd probs play it

[golden plover]

If it was a 2 drop it'd be INSANE

[twilit canyon]

rr 3/2 with that same text?

i'd like it

[golden plover]

Yeah that'd be broken

[sleek ferry]

anyways, I'm still big on other decks being naturally good into nadu himself (like jeskai) and think shuko ban probably brings nadu down enough for the other decks in the meta to be reasonably competitive with it (like mono black)

[lusty trench]

Love cards that punish landbases

[twilit canyon]

nahhhh

it'd be fine

<- biased burn player

[golden plover]

It could probably be an RR 3/2 with the first two abilities

[twilit canyon]

nah

without half of pop it becomes immediately bad

[golden plover]

But it looks like it was designed to punish domain decks and the like

[glad peak]

Would be fine, if they ramp nonbasics that much then they deserve to be killed earlier

[twilit canyon]

in this day and age, i'd play skullcrack over it

[golden plover]

Can't keep that and the first two abilities for less than 4

[sleek ferry]

if javi doesn't forget that the one ring's protection from everything, actually means everything, javi ends up 3-0ing nielsen, and nielsen never wins the whole thing

[lusty trench]

Leyline of guildpact is still in standard so ig they said play thing if it becomes a thing

[golden plover]

Yeah it's probably one of those "this was the seeded answer to a problem down the line" cards

They do that a lot with standard

It's part of the reason they don't ban cards in standard quick enough

[lusty trench]

Idm that having specific counterplay is nice

[golden plover]

Because "There's a card coming next set that's totally gonna hose it guys"

[twilit canyon]

they somehow added 2 to the casting cost tho

so now its shit

[golden plover]

I mean, it had to cost 4 for the text box alone

[twilit canyon]

[[skullcrack]] is genuinely the better card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/125/skullcrack

Skullcrack <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Players can't gain life this turn. Damage can't be prevented this turn. Skullcrack deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker.
The lawmage's argument was clever and well reasoned, but Blunk's response proved irrefutable.

[golden plover]

"Players can't gain life" is a 1, "damage can't be prevented" is 1 usually

And the rest of the box is 2

[twilit canyon]

theres very little reasonable situation where skullcrack on a body would see play

[sleek ferry]

tbf it is on a 5/4 body, which is on curve/slightly above curve for 4 mana

[twilit canyon]

bc of how good removal is

[golden plover]

The upside is that it sticks around

Look at stuff like Tibalt, Roiling Vortex, and Ferocidon

[twilit canyon]

the pop effect maybe u can argue a 3 drop

[golden plover]

They've all been main/sideboard cards simply because of "players can't gain life"

And Ferocidon got banned for the rest of his textbox

[copper pecan]

i remember when bonecrusher giant was revealed i was very curious as to how often the anti damage prevention effect would come up. in the four years i've been playing with the card it has literally never come up for me

[twilit canyon]

vortex also hates on free spells

[glad peak]

Just lower the size of the body and you can easily make it cheaper

[twilit canyon]

play more vs one ring

big reason that bcg is seeing modern play rn

[glad peak]

“Damage can’t be prevented” isn’t worth 1 mana and “players can’t gain life” is barely worth 1

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[sleek ferry]

bcg my beloved

[twilit canyon]

and its half of pop

[golden plover]

You can get it to 3, maybe

[twilit canyon]

not even full pop

[sleek ferry]

@atomic harness bcg mention

[golden plover]

2 if you lose the pop

But it can't have the pop and the skullcrack on a body for 2

[glad peak]

You can easily get it to 2 with pop since it’s on a creature and not instant speed

[twilit canyon]

its half

costing rr

sorcery

and being on a creature

[golden plover]

It'd probably be fine at 3R

[twilit canyon]

this could have been 2 mana

[golden plover]

That's honestly where it should have been tbh

3R would have made it the splashable eternal format side card they want

[twilit canyon]

it woulsbt

*wouldnt

at 3 or 4 it sees no play

at 2, at best it replaces eidolon sometimes

probs play it over skullcrack

[glad peak]

Tbh I’d say it’s fine to put it at 1 as a 1/1 with only the deal damage equal to nonbasics

[twilit canyon]

even then it can end up having a rough time vs nadu

err

phlage

not nadu

a good time vs nadu

[golden plover]

I mean they've mentioned that Price of Progress was too good for Modern prior

[twilit canyon]

correct. but half of pop at sorcery

that should be fine

remember pop is 2 damage per non-basic

[golden plover]

Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want to test the boundaries with a pop-style sorcery or similar before they would put it on a creature designed to hose Domain

[twilit canyon]

this is barely testing it tho its just

[glad peak]

Price is too good but flame rift is bad as a sorcery that deals similar expected damage, this is half the potency on sorcery speed

[twilit canyon]

putting it on a clearly unplayable

[golden plover]

Could also be that they're expecting it to be the answer to one ring

Since this hits through ring and they probably saw it as a finisher

[twilit canyon]

but one ring isnt in standard

and they know what the rate for burn is

[glad peak]

Maybe since there was a time when questing beast was played for that reason

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnjw_W52vk

i really like some of these designs

i'd totally play nissa's deciple in alchemy

[glad peak]

brightblade stoat is an amazing limited card

cube loves cards like this

[golden plover]

Stoat is very good in limited, yeah

[golden plover]

This one is actually pretty good

[trail anvil]

I get why this says target but man imagine if it said each lol

scapeshift and kill a table

[glad peak]

huh they're not catering to commander with the wording on this card

[fallow citrus]

we have valakut at home

[golden plover]

3 mana to ping 2 per landfall is honestly nothing to scoff at

Probably solid ngl

[glad peak]

Look at the lil guy dancin

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Wm5eSgZ3rS-JiJMoa3hSiZVoH_Gy0GKs8BLJH4Kopj8/https/www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Brambleguard-Veteran-400x559.webp?format=webp&width=390&height=544

[copper pecan]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KS7b5rmsavcYsqJkEdp1JFi1oXEkPU30blM9tfVdVzI/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/GSKCOOYW8AANXLp.jpg%3Alarge?format=webp&width=473&height=662

colossal dreadmoose

[twilit canyon]

powercreep

wait isnt that recycled flavor text?

[modern minnow]

are we getting more french vanillas this set or smth

[gritty nest]

When you convince your partner to play magic because one of their favorite IPs is in the game

[lusty trench]

It's slightly different for the boar, it seems like the leaders of each faction are rallying their troops against a specific type of calamity beast

[zinc shard]

15 Damage Turn 2.

[gritty nest]

How is it 15?

[glad peak]

17 since you’re spacing between 2 turns

Wait no it’s 15 you right

[gritty nest]

Nvm I forget attacking

[stark skiff]

Oh this is neat

[zinc shard]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IRI_uZTqikaBZHLP3FNGqQ

Trying to get back into EDH and made a budget Dina, Soul Steeper deck.

Any advice? Thank you in advance

[gritty nest]

Before I look cuz I’m at work, what’s the budget?

[zinc shard]

$50

playtesting the deck, i definetely need more card draw

[gritty nest]

I want you to do something, tag everything with what you want it to do

Like sol ring signet etc tag as just “mana rocks”, what role your creatures/non mana rocks etc do

[zinc shard]

alright ill try, new to Moxfield

nvm i got it

[glad peak]

Is exquisite blood still expensive? That’s the first for sure option

[gritty nest]

[[$exquisite blood]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/195/exquisite-blood

Prices for Exquisite Blood

The Lost Caverns of Ixalan Commander

$16.89 • €17.79

Secret Lair Drop

$29.04

The List

$18.03 • €18.19

Jumpstart

$18.39 • €17.26

Avacyn Restored

$19.39 • €18.01 • 0.02 TIX

[gritty nest]

Y e s

[glad peak]

For cheaper win cons there’s witherbloom apprentice + chain of smog but it can be hard to get to

[gritty nest]

I was thinking mana filtering + gravecrawler + ashnods altar

[glad peak]

[[$protean hulk]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/153/protean-hulk

Prices for Protean Hulk

Ravnica Remastered

$4.19 • €3.96 • 0.26 TIX

Ravnica Remastered

$3.15 • 0.07 TIX

Ravnica Remastered

$97.60

Ravnica Remastered

$5.18 • 0.03 TIX

Secret Lair Drop

$9.20

RNA Guild Kit

$5.33 • €4.08

Masters 25

$3.04 • €4.61 • 0.03 TIX

Duel Decks: Mirrodin Pure vs. New Phyrexia

0.52 TIX

Dissension

$4.55 • €2.75 • 0.02 TIX

[glad peak]

Oh nice it’s cheaper than I thought

But ballista’s probably expensive

[gritty nest]

Idk

[gritty nest]

What do you guys think of the idea of universes beyond as a whole currently?

[copper pecan]

they're clearly not gonna stop doing it so it's best to just accept it as a part of the game

[trail anvil]

yeah basically

[gritty nest]

So a roundabout answer being “we don’t like it”

[copper pecan]

i don't have any strong feelings towards it one way or the other

[trail anvil]

I dislike certain cards/arts but I'm not about to stop other people from liking what they like

I like the playstyles the new product has brought but it definitely feels weird

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/flavorjudgedraw/status/1811055275903778962

MTG flavor judge drawings (@flavorjudgedraw) on X

Twitter · Jul 10, 2024, 3:10 PM

[trail anvil]

the baby wall punches harder than its parent too

[gritty nest]

“Don’t talk to me or my parent again”

[trail anvil]

this card goes hard

[stark skiff]

yo wtf that is nice

[granite badge]

I think its been a net negative for the game but its pretty clear we've already crossed the threshold where its "eh, whatever" to me

MTGs own lore has always been a bit iffy at best quality and cohesion wise

So at the very least, its neat to see stuff like the dracula or godzilla cards

[fallow citrus]

I think UB was inevitable tbh

so it's just another point for people to complain

[golden plover]

Yeah I think the addition was a bad idea for the cohesion of the game and the long term, but it's too late now

Great for bringing in short term players and money

But we've seen time and time again with Japanese card games that crossover sets really don't help you in the long run

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Feather-of-Flight-400x559.webp

[golden plover]

Ehh it's decent in draft ig

[lusty trench]

Gryffs boon without recursion and you pay one more but also get to draw

Idk this reads awful

[fallow citrus]

wtf

https://x.com/yoman_5/status/1811369314047434836?t=4x-aYTnHJDGHtPgFiPhrMQ&s=19

yoman5 (@yoman_5) on X

Holy shit what a 2 drop

There's your bloodthirsty adversary replacement

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 11:57 AM

this is insane

[twilit canyon]

valiant is once per turn? i'd have liked it if you removed once each turn

[golden plover]

Jesus that's NUTS

For 2 mana?

[twilit canyon]

2 mana may be too slow

play it this turn means its not even a 3 mana play

it should replace ledger shredder tho

in standard

[copper pecan]

i don't think this is correct. battle spirits was dying in japan until the digimon crossover and now it's doing really well because of it

[golden plover]

I mean 2 mana 2/2 haste prowess is already a good rate

And then you can get some extra value

[twilit canyon]

2 for 2 haste prowess is meh

[golden plover]

I mean, Swiftspear is one of the best creatures ever printed at 1/2 for 1 with haste/prowess

Obviously this isn't as good since 1 mana is half of 2

But this is probably a VERY good card

[twilit canyon]

maybe if it lasted until your next end step

[golden plover]

Consider he's also in the same deck as Slickshot

You're probably one-tapping someone

[twilit canyon]

nah

[golden plover]

2 mana 2/2 haste prowess is the floor

That's already modern playable

[twilit canyon]

again think of that

no it isnt

slickshot isnt 2 for 2

its 2 for -> 0 for flying and haste

and he grows by increments of 2

[golden plover]

You still have to pay the 2 for slickshot upfront

[twilit canyon]

but costing 0 after is the big important bit

[golden plover]

Yeah, I'm saying you play these on the same turn

[twilit canyon]

right but the damage gap is massive

[golden plover]

You drop this and slickshot in one turn and then buff the shit out of both of them and they take 20 damage for like 4 mana

[twilit canyon]

first, no evasion

second, way less damage

third, the ability to target to draw isnt ideal

[golden plover]

You've only gotta target it once

[twilit canyon]

yeah but there lies the issue

you'd rather the buff go onto slickshot

since evasion

you cant get value on turn 3 from this card either

since you dont have the mana

[golden plover]

This hypothetical deck already runs stuff like [[Monsterous Rage]] or TBR or whatever

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/142/monstrous-rage

Monstrous Rage <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. Create a Monster Role token attached to it. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.)
"My, what big paws y—" —Thomas the woodsman, last words

[golden plover]

You're running the pieces and small buff spells

Monstrous Rage guarantees the damage connects

No way this card doesn't at least see standard play

[twilit canyon]

it might yes but even then its super whatever

[golden plover]

I literally cannot see it not being strong

[twilit canyon]

i can

[golden plover]

So on t4, you play this and slickshot for 0, 2 mana left

[twilit canyon]

i see a world where you play this on 2, it dies, you play it on 3, you target it, it dies

[golden plover]

Monstrous Rage off the hand targeting it. Another Rage targeting Slickshot

That's 20

[twilit canyon]

and your draw doesnt do anything besides exiling a playable

[golden plover]

You can have multiple slickshots plotted for this too

[twilit canyon]

or you play this on 4, you target it, it dies, and you cant cast the spell exiled bc its 2 mana

[golden plover]

Certified "better have it" moment

[twilit canyon]

nah

cus its not like either are hard to kill

[golden plover]

"Dies to removal" is hardly a good evaluation of cards half the time

The slickshot archetype already had that issue

[twilit canyon]

yeah but if i wanted to play a vanilla 2/2 with haste i'd probs just stick to adversary

[golden plover]

This is more consistency and a backup plan

[twilit canyon]

reminder that slickshot has the decency to fly

[golden plover]

I mean, yeah. But Monsterous rage gives you trample. So would TBR

I'm sure there's plenty of other 1 drop "target creature gets trample" effects too

[twilit canyon]

tbr isnt in standard

and also it wouldnt get ferocious off a single cast

my big issue is that it isnt drawing cards unless it survives a turn cycle

[golden plover]

I know TBR isn't, I'm thinking extended formats

The draw doesn't super matter

[twilit canyon]

zero play potential

its just a 2/2 for 2 with haste and prowess

thats not a rare

[golden plover]

And Swiftspear is a 1/2 with haste and prowess and is insanely good

It's a baseline sidegrade of Swiftspear where the 1 more gets you 1 extra damage upfront and sometimes a draw

[twilit canyon]

correct cus 1 mana

[[fugitive codebreaker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/127/fugitive-codebreaker

Fugitive Codebreaker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Rogue
Prowess, haste
Disguise . This cost is reduced by for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard. (You may cast this card face down for as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its disguise cost.)
When Fugitive Codebreaker is turned face up, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
2/1

[golden plover]

2/1 is a lot different from 2/2

Especially in Bowmasters formats

[twilit canyon]

not for standard

dont think about it for anything beyond standard

its not seeing play there

ever

[golden plover]

Wait wtf

This is [[Abbot of Keral Keep]] on steroids

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/100/abbot-of-keral-keep

Abbot of Keral Keep <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When Abbot of Keral Keep enters the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
2/1

[golden plover]

And that card was historically a modern all-star for a while

[twilit canyon]

like 6+ years ago

and it fell off extremely hard

[golden plover]

Yeah but this gives it haste and a 1 toughness buff

That 1 toughness buff is incredibly relevant

[twilit canyon]

for prowess not really

also the draw hard requires a card

can never just have the draw

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/moosebaby9000/status/1811409416354140253?t=B5klNff-4M3R9fJL-O-eTQ&s=19

Campbell White (@moosebaby9000) on X

"Subtlety" illustration for Modern Horizons 3 #magicthegathering #evoke

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 2:37 PM

ironically this image does not evoke the idea of subtlety

[hidden ermine]

Yeah subtlety is kinda impossible to do lmao

I wouldve preferred less waves and more fog tho

[golden plover]

Just make it so the elemental is a really tiny guy in the pond or something ig

https://preview.redd.it/yqmdlqs4uwbd1.jpg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f026729c694a8282428784cd6a212f2b65cf0f66

Wow this guy sucks

[hidden ermine]

I mean

Its a 1 mana 2/2 with upside

[golden plover]

Yeah true

He's like fine

But I wish it was a "you may"

[sleek ferry]

this is better than that 1 goblin with disguise people play no?

[golden plover]

It's way better

[sleek ferry]

yeah, that's what i'm saying. tbh i always thought the goblin people played was cope as hell

[golden plover]

Also, looks like the Liliana squirrel was changed from Dreadhorde General to Dark Realms last minute

https://preview.redd.it/ozs5mi35kwbd1.png?width=760&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3a4c68ca017fc801529674cd4c940c9975a9bbc

[sleek ferry]

this is at least card advantage

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/033wt9dzjwbd1.png?width=613&format=png&auto=webp&s=63ae33e2a89c094168b5d54326e9c04e0bc44f6d

[sleek ferry]

ehh that's a reach

can't just go based off art

[golden plover]

All the other anime arts are pretty close to the original art

Also the mastery pass arena article said "Dreadhorde General" until it got updated

[golden plover]

But yeah if it sticks it's card advantage and actually goes with the theme of the deck as opposed to being a weird bad backup plan

@glad peak this is very good for draft

[lusty trench]

This feels strange flavour wise but pop off

[golden plover]

We needed some fixing like this for when you don't see enough of your tribe

It is weird flavor, but it's sorta a mechanical necessity

[lusty trench]

Bulk rare

[golden plover]

Yeah. It's like... Fine in draft ig

[lusty trench]

Good ass cards

Deadly dispute draw me 3 cards pls ty

[golden plover]

Dewdrop Cure seems very solid

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Lifecreed-Duo-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[golden plover]

Bad cards, but also worthwhile for draft

I wonder if we'll get 10 of these then

[golden plover]

Vren seems very good in the right metas

I mean, he's dark law

Not universally good, but probably a decent answer to things

[lusty trench]

Fun commander option for rat players too that isn’t boring

(Marrow gnawer)

[golden plover]

That too

But in graveyard heavy metas, he's probably a decent side

Answers stuff like Phoenix and titans

And ward 2 isn't uncounterable, but it's not cheap

Turn their phoenixes into your rat colonies

[lusty trench]

I think the issue is dauthi is probably just better at this guy in the formats dauthi is in

[golden plover]

Yeah true

Dauthi is cheaper

But this is a nice sidegrade

I wouldn't be surprised if he's tested in some decks

Obviously he's worse than Leyline of the Void

But he makes rat colonies

https://preview.redd.it/6mlx340e0xbd1.png?auto=webp&s=fb3281bea410e52b8dc251ad4086412737d2c3da

Bottom pick in draft

Although it does powercreep [[Trick Shot]] a set later

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/151/trick-shot

Trick Shot <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Trick Shot deals 6 damage to target creature and 2 damage to up to one other target creature token.
"Cowerin' behind your buddy ain't gonna help, ya yellow-bellied lowlife." —Tyron, Slickshot duelist