Magic the Gathering

[stark skiff]

it is a total protect the commander deck tho lol

woah woah lets not get crazy

i do need the fetches that werent reprinted tho lol. also wish the surveil lands were cheaper since theyre so good in this deck

[gritty nest]

[[Opposition Agent]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent

Opposition Agent <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
You control your opponents while they're searching their libraries.
While an opponent is searching their library, they exile each card they find. You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast them.
3/2

[gritty nest]

Dang

[stark skiff]

oh i do have him

[trail anvil]

surveil lands are amazing everywhere just from being typed duals with card selection, but ye they go even harder here

[gritty nest]

[[Agent of Treachery]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/43/agent-of-treachery

Agent of Treachery <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Rogue
When Agent of Treachery enters the battlefield, gain control of target permanent.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control three or more permanents you don't own, draw three cards.
"The more secrets you have, the more easily you become my pawn."
2/3

[gritty nest]

Feeling kinda cute

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1260020208974958612/GR_DxwkXAAEnarH.png?ex=668dccc3&is=668c7b43&hm=768aa064e3a4c764da52788995fa1f73a7a5bbc44cbb02ba9af1f6076e794c0e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=850&height=637

[gritty nest]

Steals your board

[copper pecan]

the council has convened

[stark skiff]

lol not in blue

but yeah he goes hard

[gritty nest]

I know which sucks

lol

[stark skiff]

oh Helm of the Host would go crazy

[gritty nest]

At that point you’re meming

[stark skiff]

[trail anvil]

OG massacre girl sounds nice as a board wipe too

[stark skiff]

she could potentially kill my board no? lol

[gritty nest]

It doesn’t matter

Altair copy it

[trail anvil]

well you use her if the other players have gotten out of control

[gritty nest]

I know

I’m just saying Altair makes it pretty resistant

Because you’ll just copy it all and swing out next turn

[stark skiff]

i dont pick and choose with Altair right? they all come back mandatory?

[gritty nest]

Yes

[stark skiff]

just saying cause some of the assassins that come backs are /1 weenies so shell wreck my board too lol

[gritty nest]

Don’t copy her

Also unsure if you have them in there but inkshield, Tef pro

Etc

[trail anvil]

yeah unfortunately it's mandatory but ig that's a last ditch measure if you're copying

lol

[gritty nest]

True

At least you can run death trigger stuff at minimum

[stark skiff]

yeah thats why i kept her out she will potentially just keep killing altair

[gritty nest]

Wait

[[altair ibn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/45/altaïr-ibn-laahad

Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
First strike
Whenever Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad attacks, exile up to one target Assassin creature card from your graveyard with a memory counter on it. Then for each creature card you own in exile with a memory counter on it, create a tapped and attacking token that's a copy of it. Exile those tokens at end of combat.
3/3

[trail anvil]

[[big game hunter]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/102/big-game-hunter

Big Game Hunter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rebel Assassin
When Big Game Hunter enters the battlefield, destroy target creature with power 4 or greater. It can't be regenerated.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
1/1

[gritty nest]

Damn those are exiled

[trail anvil]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aassassin+commander%3AWBR+(game%3Apaper)&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec&dir= either way another good resource

[gritty nest]

Also [[stone of erech]] is a funny card

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/251/stone-of-erech

Stone of Erech <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Legendary Artifact
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
, , Sacrifice Stone of Erech: Exile target player's graveyard. Draw a card.
"At the Stone of Erech they shall stand again and hear there a horn in the hills ringing." —Malbeth the Seer

[stark skiff]

yeah used it while building it haha i think i got the best targets though there are some im considering like Hired Poisoner as a 1/1 Deathtouch they have to deal with but its such minimal damage meh

[trail anvil]

[[hired poisoner]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/grn/72/hired-poisoner

Hired Poisoner <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Assassin
Deathtouch
"They don't even feel the cut. I'm ordering a drink in a nearby tavern before anyone notices something's wrong."
1/1

[trail anvil]

yeah that one seems a bit sad

I feel like I'd want to go for changelings before this lol

[gritty nest]

Same

[stark skiff]

yeah so i left him out lol

[[Raffine's Silencer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/90/raffines-silencer

Raffine's Silencer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Assassin
When Raffine's Silencer enters the battlefield, it connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
When Raffine's Silencer dies, target creature an opponent controls gets -X/-X until end of turn, where X is Raffine's Silencer's power.
1/1

[stark skiff]

shes interesting to me and im debating including her

[sudden lava]

I wonder what kind of birb this is

[gritty nest]

The deck sounds fun

It’s not directly Mardu tokens

And you can take it in a few ways to win

[stark skiff]

yeah theres other stuff you can do like Blood Artist pings/Impact Tremor/God of Forge

[gritty nest]

If I built it I’d make both swinging out and aristocrats the idea

[sudden lava]

Irl counterpart of the birb

[gritty nest]

Use stuff to sack the tokens at instant speed before they get exiled

[stark skiff]

oh yeah quick question about that can i sack a token after they have done damage not familiar with this in mtg yet sadly

[gritty nest]

Yes

So long as you have an instant speed sack outlet like Viscera Seer, or the altars

[stark skiff]

oh okay ty

[gritty nest]

If you add sack outlets

I’d add Mirkwood bats if it’s not there

[stark skiff]

it is lol

[gritty nest]

Okay cool

Sorry I’m at work and don’t want to take the time to scroll back up and down

[stark skiff]

nah np just thinking of adding some extra combat cards now probably

[gritty nest]

Well remember

“When this card attacks” doesn’t work if Altair makes a tapped and attacking copy

Combat damage and ETB triggers are gonna be more helpful, I figured you already knew but making sure

[stark skiff]

good to have confirmation i figured but wasnt sure

[gritty nest]

The more you know

What do you guys think of the Naya dude who messes with sagas?

[stark skiff]

birgi can finally use her hidden ability lol

[gritty nest]

?

[stark skiff]

[[Birgi God of Storytelling]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/khm/123/birgi-god-of-storytelling-harnfel-horn-of-bounty

Birgi, God of Storytelling <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — God
Whenever you cast a spell, add . Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end.
Creatures you control can boast twice during each of your turns rather than once.
"This is a tale to make all Kaldheim tremble..."
3/3

Harnfel, Horn of Bounty
Legendary Artifact
Discard a card: Exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn.
Like her well of stories, Birgi's horn never runs dry.

[stark skiff]

the guy boasts lol

[gritty nest]

[[!Sigurd, Jarl]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/66/sigurd-jarl-of-ravensthorpe

Sigurd, Jarl of Ravensthorpe

[gritty nest]

Huh

Neat

[stark skiff]

but yeah theres funny sagas you can use in those colors

[gritty nest]

That makes him less useful than I thought, I thought the boast line was italicized and just used as flavor

[stark skiff]

theres sagas to buff him

at least hes a decent attacker also

[gritty nest]

True

It’s basically Naya sagatron it seems

[gritty nest]

I was thinking about it, who all was it that plays group hug? I remember Komi and someone else

[glad peak]

Rare based take from my playgroup, they ruled grouphug as more cringe than stax

[gritty nest]

Lmfao

Also I misread Sigurd like 3 times, he’s pretty decent

[trail anvil]

I found out quickly true group hug is very bad

I haven't seen stax at my tables for some reason

[gritty nest]

I see

Can I get your thoughts on a 5c group hug deck I made?

I made it for memes mainly

It literally uses [[twilight sparkle]] as commander

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https://scryfall.com/card/ptg/2/princess-twilight-sparkle

Princess Twilight Sparkle <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Alicorn
Flying
Other Alicorns, Horses, Pegasi, Ponies, and Unicorns you control get +1/+1.
: If you control Applejack, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity, everypony wins the game.
"Friendship isn't always easy, but there's no doubt it's worth fighting for!"
2/2

[trail anvil]

well better make sure your group is okay with draws lol

[gritty nest]

They are

One encouraged me to build it

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TysCfFFPDUepcF8Z-LhO_Q

Realized I never sent the list

[glad peak]

Almost as funny as when my playgroup challenged me to make a stax deck because “at least we’ll have more than 8 turns”

Combo killed them in 7

Turns out Oswald has a combo kill through his own stax pieces

[gritty nest]

Lmfao

[trail anvil]

so this is just group hug with ponies?

[sudden lava]

wait @gritty nest you have the toys for Applejack right? At least one of each of the main six (minus Twilight and Applejack)

cuz it counts for the Everypony wincon

[gritty nest]

I dont have pony toys specifically but I have toys in general

[gritty nest]

Yes

[sudden lava]

I guess that works, and surely the group would let you rule zero the names for some of the toys (cuz Applejack's best use in the Twilight deck is the name ability)

[gritty nest]

It doesn’t say a MLP toy

Just

“A toy you own”

But I get what you mean

I’ll have to pick them up then thinking about it

[sudden lava]

yeah just thinking the optimal route, but surely the toys cant be that expensive

[gritty nest]

Not really

But question

Do I scry 2 if I place a hot wheels?

[sudden lava]

if it was my pod

https://tenor.com/view/allow-approve-community-gif-4686443

[gritty nest]

Pog

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR_NzsSaMAAoWmG?format=png&name=900x900

Play Bundle for Arena includes Mabel companion and anime Mabel sleeves

[gritty nest]

Nice

[gritty nest]

Thoughts on [[coalition victory]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/91/coalition-victory

Coalition Victory <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
You win the game if you control a land of each basic land type and a creature of each color.
"You can build a perfect machine out of imperfect parts." —Urza

[trail anvil]

I think it's very banned lol

[gritty nest]

I think it’s kinda mid

[trail anvil]

I can't tell if ur memeing or not rn

[gritty nest]

I’m serious

[trail anvil]

o ok then

it's literally banned lol

[gritty nest]

It’s an 8 drop sorcery that requires upwards of 10+ mana to work

And yes I know

But I’m just stating that it’s a shit card

[trail anvil]

winning the whole game off controlling a 5c creature and 2 triomes sounds decent to me even at 8 mana tbh

[gritty nest]

Where do you get the other 5 mana?

3 needing to be colored

[trail anvil]

ramp, which you're doing in 5c anyways

[gritty nest]

While victory is on the stack I’ll either counter it, or swords your 5c creature

It fails to resolve

Or KO you before you can activate it

Even if you had a perfect hand it’ll be like what, turn 5?

You won’t have a hand for protection

[glad peak]

it's very bad but the ban list is known to be a joke so just play it if people are ok with it

[trail anvil]

idk I still feel like you can just include it while doing normal 5c stuff

[gritty nest]

I mean yea add it

[glad peak]

oh right apparently erinis + street urchin is good in cedh? i have no idea how it's good but i haven't seen any lists

[gritty nest]

But as a singular turbo win con its meh

It’s 100% bait though

[trail anvil]

I just figure it's just easy enough to win randomly without telegraphing anything given it's a sorcery

compared to second sun which has any way to shuffle the deck or revel in riches which needs 10 treasures and is an upkeep trigger

or any other upkeep trigger win

[glad peak]

even as a turbo win con, it's a bait card since filtering those colors is very hard to turbo out and especially now there's more you can do with that mana

[gritty nest]

I won’t lie it’s a bit sporadic compared to the ones you said

But even then you’re either all inning that card or it’s a side piece

And even then it’s either bad or bait

[trail anvil]

why do y'all keep going for a combo idk

topdecking the card lategame and instantly winning just sounds really annoying

[glad peak]

the argument is that you can put it in any deck and win that way as a plan b

[trail anvil]

yeah

[gritty nest]

Bait when just randomly thrown into a 5c deck for no reason other than alternate wincon

It’ll win once in a blue moon but not every game

[trail anvil]

especially since triomes are fetchable lol

[glad peak]

but the argument against that is that any time you draw it, it's a dead card unless specific conditions are met

but then again, the banlist is a meme, just play anything your playgroup will allow

[trail anvil]

I mean I guess? but 5c isn't usually known for its lack of card advantage I feel like lmao

while we're on the subject how do you feel about biorhythm

[gritty nest]

I’ll add it to Ulalek and tell you how many games I win

[glad peak]

ulalek will probably be the worst place to put it lol

[gritty nest]

That’s the point

Either way I think it’s mediocre lol

[glad peak]

biorhythm can come back and be completely fine

[gritty nest]

That’s all I’m saying

[glad peak]

if you have that much mana and could wipe the board while having anything on board, just end the game

[gritty nest]

True

[[happily ever after]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/16/happily-ever-after

Happily Ever After <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
When Happily Ever After enters the battlefield, each player gains 5 life and draws a card.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are five colors among permanents you control, there are six or more card types among permanents you control and/or cards in your graveyard, and your life total is greater than or equal to your starting life total, you win the game.

[gritty nest]

Well then

[trail anvil]

now this one feels impossible to achieve lmao

I think I pulled it off like exactly once and that was in 1v1 unranked standard

[gritty nest]

It, looks trash lol

[trail anvil]

it is lmao

this is if you're feeling spicy in 5c kinnan group hug or something

[gritty nest]

Oh god

[gritty nest]

I just realized Sigurd can’t put 1/1 counters on himself

[trail anvil]

sigurd is so weird to me

pretty low stats but fantastic keywords with a commander that needs to swing for value. ig the sagas are meant to be battle oriented

[gritty nest]

Any ideas on sagas?

[trail anvil]

[[the first iroan games]] [[kumano versus kakkazan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/170/the-first-iroan-games

The First Iroan Games <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after IV.)
I — Create a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token.
II — Put three +1/+1 counters on target creature you control.
III — If you control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw two cards.
IV — Create a Gold token. (It's an artifact with "Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")

No card found for “kumano versus kakkazan”

[trail anvil]

[[kumano faces kakkazan]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/152/kumano-faces-kakkazan-etching-of-kumano

Kumano Faces Kakkazan <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Kumano Faces Kakkazan deals 1 damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control.
II — When you next cast a creature spell this turn, that creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Etching of Kumano
Enchantment Creature — Human Shaman
Haste
If a creature dealt damage this turn by a source you controlled would die, exile it instead.
Many kami came to demand a secret he did not know, and every one of them fell.
2/2

[trail anvil]

there's also a bunch of exile sagas to clear blockers

[gritty nest]

Ah okay

Yea never mind he’s gonna be fun

Thank you

Does removing counters from sagas make those chapters trigger again?

[stark skiff]

No

They only trigger when a counter is placed on them

[gritty nest]

Damn

I figured but wanted to be sure

[stark skiff]

Y’all think a Murder at Karlov collector box is worth 150?

[zinc shard]

I dont think any Collector Booster Box is worth buying, but looking at TCGPlayer the average price is between 140-150

[stark skiff]

Princess Takes Flight is broken

[stark skiff]

Oh didnt realize that. My shop has had one sitting on shelves for a minute and is willing to sell it at that price

only thing i want is the surveil lands and the value seems tough to make back at 150

[gritty nest]

what should I call the Sigurd deck

[copper pecan]

this is why it's banned. not because it's strong but because it's really anticlimactic

[golden plover]

I mean, if coalition victory is banned, we should ban Thoracle too

Thoracle is way more anticlimactic and can happen as early as t2

[copper pecan]

agreed

[trail anvil]

if we're talking about anticlimactic aren't jace and lab maniac in the same boat, just more clunky

I wouldn't mind a thoracle ban tho lol

[golden plover]

Jace and Lab man are a lot more clunky

They've also gotta stick on the board

Thoracle wins on cast

[sleek ferry]

Thoracle ban is very interesting for cedh tbh, I think a lot of cedh players that don’t want thoracle banned are super blinded by how much better it is than other win cons

Like, next best win con is probably what, breach lines? And breach lines are way more interactive than thoracle

[golden plover]

Thoracle is very uninteractive, yeah

[rigid scarab]

Being uninteractive is what got Flash to be banned, no?

[golden plover]

Yes, but note in the flash ban they said that they won't cater bans to cedh, which was dumb

[rigid scarab]

Ok well

Thoracle is seen a lot more in casual games than flash

[lusty trench]

Its because it's by far the easiest way to turn infinite turns/draws/mill into a win

[golden plover]

Like this was such a cop-out

"Don't expect us to ban cards for cedh again"

Why not?

[copper pecan]

because they don't want to have to actively manage the format

that's why they target the banlist towards people who don't know that there's a banlist

and why they fall back on "just rule zero it" whenever anyone complains about the format being unbalanced

[lusty trench]

We'll keep an eye on it
Sir it's ruining cedh deck diversity and is in every deck that can run it
I know, and we're watching it

[rigid scarab]

This is not how I interpret it

I just see it as

[golden plover]

Also, do note that the flash ban was partially paying for Thoracle's crimes actually

Like sure, flash was a problem card

[rigid scarab]

We don't plan on specifically making cards for cedh

[copper pecan]

the rules committee doesn't make cards at all

[rigid scarab]

Or making a specific cedh banlist

[golden plover]

But the combo was [[Flash]] into [[Protean Hulk]] into [[Nomads En-Kor]], [[Cephalid Illusionist]], and [[Thassa's Oracle]] to win at instant speed

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https://scryfall.com/card/a25/57/flash

Flash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you do, sacrifice it unless you pay its mana cost reduced by up to .
No tactic transforms a battle like a well-timed carnivore.

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/153/protean-hulk

Protean Hulk <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
When Protean Hulk dies, search your library for any number of creature cards with total mana value 6 or less, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"Meat and eggs. We eat!" —Borborygmos
6/6

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/20/nomads-en-kor

Nomads en-Kor <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Kor Nomad Soldier
: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to Nomads en-Kor this turn is dealt to target creature you control instead.
The kor forsake roots for the winding of the path, forsake voices for the silence of the mind, forsake all else for the poverty of isolation.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/tor/28/cephalid-illusionist

Cephalid Illusionist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Octopus Wizard
Whenever Cephalid Illusionist becomes the target of a spell or ability, mill three cards.
, : Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by target creature you control this turn.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle

Thassa's Oracle <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
When Thassa's Oracle enters the battlefield, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is your devotion to blue. Put up to one of them on top of your library and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. If X is greater than or equal to the number of cards in your library, you win the game. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
1/3

[golden plover]

And note that this playline is harder than Thoracle Consult

So while Flash deserved the ban, this was partially it paying for Thoracle's crimes considering the card had just been released

[lusty trench]

Want to win at instant speed anyway for a joke? We have a tool for that too

[rigid scarab]

Also a note that I think splitting the EDH banlist between casual and competitive actively harms both formats

[lusty trench]

[[borne upon a wind]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/44/borne-upon-a-wind

Borne Upon a Wind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
Draw a card.
"I looked on Aragorn and thought how great and terrible a Lord he might have become, had he taken the Ring for himself. Not for naught does Mordor fear him." —Legolas

[copper pecan]

i remember one of the people on the rules committee talking about how wheel cards are problematic and then ending the article with "also we will not be doing anything about this, just rule zero it even though we know these cards are broken"

[golden plover]

Current Thoracle instant speed wins are less cards and less colors

[copper pecan]

like they know the format is broken and they don't care because their banlist isn't about what is or isn't balanced, it's about what cards they personally dislike

[rigid scarab]

Could I get an unabridged quote

[golden plover]

This was a "1" card combo where you're in 3 colors and had to run 2 garnets

So if this is what gets Flash banned, why hasn't Thoracle paid for its sins yet

[rigid scarab]

This is like

The first time I've heard outcry against wheels in any form

[golden plover]

Nah, they've mentioned wheels being an issue prior

I think the Hullbreacher ban mentions it

[rigid scarab]

Well the problem was hullbreacher

Hullbreacher is broken regardless of wheels being in the format

[golden plover]

Ehh, it just says the interaction with wheels is too good

[rigid scarab]

This article isn't talking about wheels being broken?

[copper pecan]

https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/select/top-20-commander-cards-in-modern-horizons-2/
in this article sheldon called wheels "the most unhealthy thing in commander" which is just completely nonsensical given that oracle was already out

[rigid scarab]

It's the cards that combo with wheels

[lusty trench]

Sheldon takes
Yeah checks out

I liked the guy and appreciate what he did for the format, but he does not have good takes on it

[rigid scarab]

Sheldon literally said that the rest of the RC may not share his viewpoint on wheels

With all due respect it's one guy

Keep in mind that he thought that wheels would enable Dauthi to be good

[lusty trench]

Dauthi being good anyway: 💀

[rigid scarab]

This to me just looks like a casual player (whose favourite card is a combat trick) who got annoyed that his sneaky cards keep getting wheeled

[trail anvil]

even if in theory wheels were bonkers aren't there way too many of them now

[zinc shard]

2 hours until Bloomburrow debut stream

[lusty trench]

Someone ping tf outta me when it starts I got people that rely on me for it

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/moosebaby9000/status/1810684301937422807?t=kEU3QbHVsHgurtYvcnWfCg&s=19

Campbell White (@moosebaby9000) on X

"Solitude" illustration for Modern Horizons 3 #magicthegathering #evoke

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 2:35 PM

[glad peak]

Is it just me or do the elemental arts for mh3 look AI generated

It might just be how they’re directed to look but idk it feels that way

[trail anvil]

I feel like we just say that about wispy/blurry art nowadays no

[glad peak]

The others looked kind of like it too but I was referring to how the snow looks in solitude since that looks very similar to other AI stuff

[hidden ermine]

Ok this one I vibe with again

Very flavourful

[fallow citrus]

I'm with komi

[copper pecan]

please don't say things like this without proof

[golden plover]

I can see where Mud is coming from, the artist has a very glossy sheen in their work that's common in AI

Although they definitely did paint these themselves

https://preview.redd.it/h5p9vdbqoibd1.png?auto=webp&s=4f96a131be6f935cc3f0f2e19a39afae3079bd75

Valiant is the "new twist on" mechanic

Honestly kinda lame that it's just "one per turn" on heroic

https://preview.redd.it/h0a3uk0coibd1.png?auto=webp&s=17786cbb92f04d1c4f7f49a904d748939a7ce621

Official reveal for this card

[lusty trench]

Wait is the live stream out

[golden plover]

It's starting now

[sleek ferry]

wait, is this supposed to be gaea's cradle lite?

link to stream?

[golden plover]

Nykthos for types morelike

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

Here's the stream

[sleek ferry]

this just goes crazy in elves, merfolk and goblins no?

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

Technically you've gotta always have at least 3 guys to break positive

[sleek ferry]

especially goblins who will pretty much have 5+ creatures by t3

[golden plover]

But the decks that want it probably love it

It's not gonna be universally bonkers, but I imagine it'll be a pricey card

[sleek ferry]

yo

these full arts

might be the best we've had

in a long time

[golden plover]

Man, I really wish they had just used Heroic

Making a new mechanic that's heroic but once per turn feels kinda... Bad

[modern minnow]

heroic doesnt do abilities

[sleek ferry]

not feeling warren warleader

feels more like a rare than a mythic

maybe if it was 3 mana

tender wild guide on the other hand feels decent

[sudden lava]

I love her

[copper pecan]

this is way stronger than heroic

[sleek ferry]

eh kitnap again feels whatever

they showing us all the overcosted rares or something?

now wear down i can get down with

2 for 1 and a draw

[golden plover]

Literally what is the point of this mechanic

[sleek ferry]

oooh, expend is a cool mechanic

[sudden lava]

ok this mechanic is cute

[sleek ferry]

wait lol

Muerra is pretty good

it's ramp, life gain and card draw

I'm noticing A LOT of mana dorks

green might be back

[golden plover]

Expend is a nice design space

[sleek ferry]

I like it a lot tbh

it makes cards scale

forage is also a solid mechanic

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/shu5c4cjpibd1.png?auto=webp&s=484561d05aaf855302b879c157ce93e6a9861736

This mechanic is confirmed to be real then

Clunky ass wording

[sleek ferry]

oh, this is nice. removal or blink on an instant

[golden plover]

I think it's the first mechanic that's got parentheses text that also needs to be clarified

Since "promise an opponent" needs to be defined

[sleek ferry]

season cards seem nice

[hidden ermine]

More modular modular stuff?

[golden plover]

Fair, I just don't see the need for the counters

[fallow citrus]

they aren't counters are they

it's just assigning value to the modes

[golden plover]

Ah yeah, they don't stick around

[fallow citrus]

so I can choose to draw 5 or draw 3 + copy or copy twice and draw

I think it's a really cool idea on how to add restrictions to modular cards

[golden plover]

Ah makes more sense now

[zinc shard]

oh they started early

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/n50eintcsibd1.png?auto=webp&s=8221cd19879e3a3b020f54a8a92f1c7e89213f9b

Wow this one SUCKS. Do you pick a target each time?

Or are you locked in from the start

Looks like you pick for each, right?

[sleek ferry]

for each

but i just realized this is a sorcery

which makes this card way worse than i initially thought

[zinc shard]

oh nice Threshold is back

[golden plover]

Feels like they wrote themselves into a corner with pawprints

[sudden lava]

also political card

[golden plover]

A more generic symbol would allow this mechanic to show up in other sets

[sudden lava]

the fish can be given to any opponent

[sleek ferry]

I mean, the pawprints is basically a resource exclusive to the card, it's not hard to carry over

[golden plover]

Not every card is an EDH card, but yeah I guess that's true

[golden plover]

Yeah, but if they used a diamond or whatever this could show up on other planes

[sleek ferry]

you kinda had to do the pawprints cards like that

[golden plover]

I get the mechanic now, it makes more sense than when I thought it was just energy 2

[golden plover]

But I think the pawprint choice for the symbol isn't as good as say choosing a star

Since now it's the "bloomburrow modal mechanic"

And not just a new spin on modal mechanics

[sleek ferry]

I mean either ways, even if it was to show up in another set, it would probably be a forest/wilderness set or a war where key bloomburrow characters show up

[golden plover]

Yeah, I just think a more generic symbol would have been able to keep the mechanic open for other sets

[sudden lava]

the offspring mechanic is cute

[golden plover]

It's also a test card mechanic

[sleek ferry]

so far, I think the black one is by far the best

[sleek ferry]

still havent seen the green one though

[golden plover]

Have we seen the white one?

[sleek ferry]

oh right we havent

so white and green are left

[zinc shard]

New mechanic: Expend X

[sleek ferry]

if green keeps getting pushed as it has so far, green one should be pretty decent

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/vqcn4j83ribd1.png?width=862&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd636b510d95bd06c4a75e2930b0eef3948f9604

Oh this is stupid with Karn, right?

Since you don't need a [[Mycosynth Lattice]] to completely blank all their creatures now

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice

Mycosynth Lattice <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
All permanents are artifacts in addition to their other types.
All cards that aren't on the battlefield, spells, and permanents are colorless.
Players may spend mana as though it were mana of any color.

[golden plover]

I guess it's creatures only as opposed to everything

But there's something there, yeah?

[trail anvil]

didn't karn blank lands too

[zinc shard]

[[Karn The Great Creator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/1/karn-the-great-creator

Karn, the Great Creator <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Planeswalker — Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
−2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

[zinc shard]

yes

ironically this stops your opponent from sacrificing the creatures to their Food ability

[trail anvil]

just stopping activated abilities on creatures is strong but fine I'm sure

[golden plover]

Yeah it's not as good as Lattice

[zinc shard]

i know nothing about Pauper but this seems good?

[golden plover]

But Lattice is also banned in Modern

[trail anvil]

that ward is fun

[golden plover]

There's gotta be a modern/pioneer/timeless combo with this and Karn ngl

[waxen timber]

It would be a better ward if it didn't turn everything into foods

[trail anvil]

I think that's the point though, it's a roundabout way of saying Ward - sacrifice a creature unless you offer up an actual food

[golden plover]

1/1 for 2 that draws one is like fine, but not good

[trail anvil]

so it's like an offering to a god, if not food then blood

[golden plover]

This is a set with food synergy

In limited, you can have real food lying around

[trail anvil]

well sure but not everyone is gonna have that unless it's the busted synergy

[golden plover]

They mentioned before with Kappa Cannoneer that they don't wanna print "Ward - X" if it's gonna be basically hexproof

[trail anvil]

most people are gonna have creatures

[golden plover]

If it was only a real food, it would basically be hexproof

Also, Vore commander deck with him and Korvold

[trail anvil]

ah yes, vore pride partners

[zinc shard]

We've reached the pinnacle of Mono White "if you are losing, do X" cards

[golden plover]

Wow that's really... Fine

It's only one trigger for each

[trail anvil]

I feel like you don't run this unless you're blinking it

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

[sleek ferry]

Why the fuck is this a mythic

Also why doesn’t it at least have flash

[trail anvil]

that's a lotta effects

[golden plover]

Ceiling is a 4/5, treasure, 4 life, 2 1/1s, and a card for 4

In draft, that's mythic

Ohh Maha is very cool

[trail anvil]

run this as an undercover aristocrat deck where you pay life with this as a commander

[sleek ferry]

Oh maha, that’s an effect we usually see in white no?

[lusty trench]

Called it

Murder 1 and a black

[golden plover]

Oh they did powercreep murder

Oh it's sorcery speed

[golden plover]

We sometimes see it in black [[Kaerveck, the Merciless]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/236/kaervek-the-merciless

Kaervek the Merciless <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, Kaervek the Merciless deals damage equal to that spell's mana value to any target.
"Rats and jackals feast in his swath, but even they will not walk with him." —Mangara
5/4

[golden plover]

Wait

[copper pecan]

murder got powercrept a while ago with [[hero's downfall]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/112/heros-downfall

Hero's Downfall <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
Odric resisted the vampire's curse with all his strength. But after a lifetime of fighting monsters, he was doomed to become one himself.

[twilit canyon]

they held back just enough to make it a sorcery

[trail anvil]

holy shit that's so fun

[lusty trench]

Maha is sliding into my massacre girl deck as we speak

[golden plover]

[[Kaerveck, the Spiteful]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/106/kaervek-the-spiteful

Kaervek, the Spiteful <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Other creatures get -1/-1.
"Defy me and I will burn the flesh from your bones. Betray me and I will steal the breath from your lungs."
3/2

[zinc shard]

"Imagine Courageous Critters" are cards reimagined as if they live on Bloomburrow:

Not Standard Legal, in Collector Boosters

[twilit canyon]

maha is neat

[golden plover]

There's also the MH3 one

[trail anvil]

maha + kaervek is how you lose friends

[golden plover]

It's one of the few direct upgrades to Murder

[sleek ferry]

That kaervek effect is much more in line with what I expect from black

[lusty trench]

What I find funny about maha is you can declare attackers, they’ll assign blockers and their creatures will live, and then you drop maha

[lusty trench]

Chatterfang is an expected but good to see reprint

[sleek ferry]

This was expected

[trail anvil]

probably the most expected reprint of the set

[zinc shard]

These cards are not in the main set

[copper pecan]

nissa's fursona...

[trail anvil]

somehow I didn't picture her as a frog

[zinc shard]

Hear me out

[trail anvil]

ye

[sleek ferry]

Wait lol, this Liliana is good

Oh wait nvm

[golden plover]

Dark Realms is like $15

[sleek ferry]

-3 on 3 loyalty

[golden plover]

That's a good reprint

Kinda wished it they reprinted Dreadhorde General, but this one is actually worth more

[zinc shard]

This and one Blue uncommon are the only cards in the set with Flashback

[golden plover]

That art is cool as hell

[zinc shard]

'

[lusty trench]

Mf raccoon is loosing sanity

Aww

[trail anvil]

extremely cute art 10/10 reprint

[golden plover]

This is the best art for this card

[stark skiff]

Cool they kept the spirit of the original Run Away lol

[trail anvil]

this card is cool as hell, I love the value

[golden plover]

Considering the first two arts were kinda intentionally gross

[trail anvil]

being able to use this twice and get a draw sounds so nice considering you can play the first part on curve

[zinc shard]

They got asked if all the cards in the Play Booster would be standard legal, and they couldnt give an answer... oh boy

[sudden lava]

😮 so chatterfang did get a reprint in the precon?!

[copper pecan]

this is the cutest thing i have ever seen

[trail anvil]

I imagine not? they've had special guest type stuff all the time no?

[zinc shard]

Thats not the precon, its the Collector Booster

[trail anvil]

there have been a ton of alt style reprints in packs

[copper pecan]

chatterfang is also getting a reprint in the precon

[stark skiff]

The anime style is only in the collectors right?

[golden plover]

@lusty trench NISSA WASNT UPSHIFTED

This bonus shirt is at original rarity

Interesting, considering WAR Tef was upshifted in Ravnica Remastered

[lusty trench]

Nissa is also like £4 if that here

So that could maybe be why

[golden plover]

She's like $8ish here

Not super expensive

But interesting to see she's original rarity

[lusty trench]

Nothing here really jumps out at me as a problem in limited or a broken card so far so I’m quite happy with the set

[golden plover]

Yeah so far nothing is broken broken

https://preview.redd.it/et38lo48ribd1.png?auto=webp&s=ae6b50b705956147ff17964992adfe92ab964889

[lusty trench]

At most maybe maha?

[golden plover]

Classes are back?

First in-universe use of classes too

[lusty trench]

But that’s just because maha has ward

There’s some stinky mythics in this set

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/o261cxtfribd1.png?auto=webp&s=b70a75a9ee941872d90e4820108ac72f975253d8

Rabbit Tamiyo makes a lot of sense

Card was already posted

[sudden lava]

Beza seems kinda meh

[lusty trench]

Hugs and glarb and season of the bold all seem bad

[golden plover]

Hugs is really bad

Wait did his boyfriend get a card too

[lusty trench]

Lumra is one of those cards that will either be fine or someone will find a way to cheat out and break

Hugs has a boyfriend?

[sudden lava]

Glarb was done dirty

[golden plover]

The lizard, Glarb I think, is his boyfriend

[trail anvil]

you can't not have gay furries

[lusty trench]

Oh no nothing against it he just sucks so much I didn’t think he had game

[golden plover]

Oh wait nah I'm mixing characters up

Glarb was the asshole frog

[sudden lava]

weeklymtg said "around 10 calamity beasts"

[golden plover]

There's a Rakdos lizard that's dating Hugs

[sudden lava]

many mono color, with a few multicolor (aka the food one)

[golden plover]

GEV!

Yeah no wonder I mixed the names up. They're basically the same name

Gev should be getting a card

He's got art

[lusty trench]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/what-is-a-bloomburrow-value-booster

STOP TRYING TO MAKE 7 CARD BOOSTERS A THING

[granite badge]

bruh

[lusty trench]

THIS ONE DOESNT EVEN HAVE GUARANTEED RARES

[glad peak]

value booster? bruhhh

[granite badge]

how many times have they tried this shit

[twilit canyon]

a value booster is new

[golden plover]

LMAO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YALL DOING

[twilit canyon]

sounds awful tho

[golden plover]

THIS IS STUPID AS HELL

Cheap booster with no guaranteed rates and 7 cards

[twilit canyon]

unless its like a dollar

[fallow citrus]

does standard have duress or other thoughtseize lites in it rn?

[sudden lava]

many magic the gathering players ask the question, is it actually budget friendly for the cost

[golden plover]

Opening a booster isn't worth it

[granite badge]

watch its gonna be the same msrp as regular boosters

[golden plover]

This is almost universally true of all boosters

A $3 booster of all uncommons isn't gonna be worth it lmao

[lusty trench]

“But you guys said you wanted cheaper boosters, we’re just trying to meet that demand smile”

Guaranteed that’s what this is

An excuse to go “well we tried”

[golden plover]

You're totally right

It's an attempt to go "The community said they wanted cheaper boosters and we tried to listen, but y'all didn't buy them so we won't be doing anything about booster prices"

[lusty trench]

“Value” is certainly a word for this

[sudden lava]

such cute art

certified flop

[lusty trench]

Technically speaking dust has value I suppose

[twilit canyon]

bloomburrow in the financial reports in a few months

[golden plover]

I don't like the wording on gift at all

"Gift a card" isn't immediately clear what you're doing

[twilit canyon]

yea its worded very poorly

[golden plover]

And "promise" needs to be defined in rules text

Which is funny, because promise is part of what defines gift

[lusty trench]

The term gift a fish is funny though

[trail anvil]

it is yeah

[golden plover]

It's one of those "the rules text was funny so we worked backwards" mechanics

But it reads like ass

[trail anvil]

I think they thought about the flavor way too much lol

yeah

[fallow citrus]

it's just kicker

:)

[trail anvil]

konami 🤝 wotc
wrecking their text for the furry theme

[twilit canyon]

at least its not horsemanship

[lusty trench]

I GET IT, THEYRE FROGS SO THEY BOUNCE

[trail anvil]

all things considered tho a 4 mana steal sounds really fuckin good?

and if you don't need it as an attacker or blocker you don't need to give them the advantage

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/bloomburrow-mastery-details

[lusty trench]

Iirc it’s the old rate steals used to be

[trail anvil]

the draw packed in here is cool

it's almost like a sacrifice draw

[trail anvil]

yeah but it's been a while lol

[golden plover]

Oh... They're doing that thing they did with MH3 mastery

We love having 4 different currencies to hide prices of items in games

[trail anvil]

I mean sure but they still have gems in addition to the draft token at least

like the big problem with the hideaway was it didn't have good value unless you really wanted the cosmetics

[golden plover]

It's done better than the hideaway

But it's still a third currency to hide prices of cosmetics

[twilit canyon]

if hideaway was 1200 gems it'd have been good

[golden plover]

It's not just an MTGA issue tho

A lot more online service games are doing it now

[trail anvil]

it's irrelevant either way no? you have to play to get value one way or another

[lusty trench]

Elspeth suns champion and Domri anarch of bolas are the last two planeswaker reprints

[golden plover]

Yeah but it makes it a lot harder to do the math for a specific cosmetic price

[trail anvil]

just read it as "these cosmetics are included by default"

[lusty trench]

We don’t have their pictures

Why domri I hear you ask

[golden plover]

I guess this one is a little different, but it's been a new gaming trend

[lusty trench]

Good question

[golden plover]

Because there's no Gruul walkers alive

[lusty trench]

Raccoons are pretty cool looking this set

[twilit canyon]

no one asked

[golden plover]

They've killed every Gruul walker and they've all sucked

[twilit canyon]

arlinn is dead?

wtf

[trail anvil]

I'm sure she's desparked at this rate

[golden plover]

Oh right, Arlinn

[rigid scarab]

This set looks very "Be cute first, make cards second"

Flavour is on point

[golden plover]

She's probably desparked and they forgot about her too ngl

[rigid scarab]

So, so good

[sudden lava]

Acorn gang

[golden plover]

She never shows up anywhere but Innistrad

[rigid scarab]

Ygra is awesome

[trail anvil]

it's okay we'll see her on innistrad next time we return there

[golden plover]

But Lukka and Domri are both dead

[lusty trench]

The one holding the bow looks high

[golden plover]

Honestly just make Garruk or Vivian or whatever gruul

[trail anvil]

wait lukka died? TIL

wasn't he boros before compleation tho

[golden plover]

Gruul Vivian would make sense, especially considering she worked with Urabrask during the dumbass SNC story

[lusty trench]

He was red his partner was white iirc

[golden plover]

He's red centered. His partner animal determines his color

[twilit canyon]

yea

[golden plover]

So he was Gruul at time of death

Sucks they made Lukka awful and accidentally working with every villain

A bonder planeswalker that changes color based on his partner was a cool idea

Oh right, Wrenn was Gruul too and she's also dead

[trail anvil]

ic

[golden plover]

So yeah, we're 3/4 for Gruul walkers

Now to kill Arlinn

[sudden lava]

oh the chatterfang alt art is in the precon

[trail anvil]

arceus planeswalker

[lusty trench]

I actually don’t think she was gruul, her and six were but neither her nor six are red individually

[twilit canyon]

shes an older woman like jaya so

gtg

[lusty trench]

Seven and realmbreaker are both mono green

As is six

[golden plover]

Damn that's the real reason Jaya died

She was about to get access to green mana

[twilit canyon]

shes not sexy on cards so

[sudden lava]

they literally show the alt art while talking about courageous critters in the precons

[golden plover]

Technically Wrenn is where the red comes from

The fire inside her is the red ig

[twilit canyon]

wouldnt be surprised if that was the internal reasoning behind it besides them running out of story ideas for her

[sudden lava]

Also, another one checked off the Maro teasers

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Brave-Kin-Duo-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[golden plover]

They didn't do much with the fire thing tho

[twilit canyon]

right

idm a character dying

but like they really did bare min. for her

[sudden lava]

wait

[golden plover]

The reason Wrenn had to switch hosts was because her fire would burn up the tree she was attached to after a while

[sudden lava]

is possum a new creature type?

cuz

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Tender-Wildguide-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[golden plover]

Or not, because it only came up that one time in lore

And then it never happened again because she could bond with trees for years

[twilit canyon]

six was mostly fine as was seven

[golden plover]

Yeah, Six and Seven didn't really have issues with it

[lusty trench]

Can’t forget the live jimmy reaction

[twilit canyon]

built different i guess

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Junkblade-Bruiser-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[golden plover]

It was mentioned that the fire would destroy them, but they just didn't

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Hop-to-It-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[twilit canyon]

its kinda like

[golden plover]

Wrenn could almost join Wanderer and Aminatou in the "potential women" club

[twilit canyon]

well sure maybe shes picking trees that arent as vulnerable

[golden plover]

But Wrenn did at least do something

Which is more than the other two have done

[lusty trench]

Wrenn made for good kindling

[twilit canyon]

she found the man to solve the issue

u cannot make this up lmao

[golden plover]

Is Davriel an honorary member of the Potential Women club?

[twilit canyon]

she died to allow the man to solve the problem

[golden plover]

He's really cool too, but he's not used EVER

[trail anvil]

oh my god this is adorable

[golden plover]

Like why has he not gotten a card since WAR

Why wasn't he on Innistrad

[lusty trench]

Elspeth literally revived as an angel and then let Karn get the final hit on elesh

[golden plover]

Dude has plots and schemes

Let him do SOMETHING

[twilit canyon]

wanderer turning into kaito girlfriend, wrenn dying to allow teferi to win, jaya dies just because

elspeth turns into an archangel and does fuck and all

[golden plover]

Oh Kasmina can join the potential women club too

But I'm p sure Kasmina is gonna actually get used soon?

[twilit canyon]

surely

[golden plover]

I think the "mage in the blue cloak" is gonna refer to Kasmina

[lusty trench]

Liliana and Chandra are the only women magic will let do something

[golden plover]

Because clearly the prophecy can't be... That obvious, right?

[trail anvil]

she got captain marveled

[twilit canyon]

it may be jace

[golden plover]

Surely it's gotta be a fake out yeah?

We all think it's Jace, the characters all think it's Jace

[twilit canyon]

that'd be fun if it was so

[golden plover]

Clearly it's gotta mean Kasmina, yeah?

[twilit canyon]

their plot twist will be its actually jace

[lusty trench]

Remember when nissa got access to blue and black manas and did fuck all with it

[golden plover]

Oh right, what happened with that

[twilit canyon]

nissa never had potential

she doesnt join the club cus shes a moron

[sudden lava]

https://preview.redd.it/blb-cache-grab-v0-gy7tdy1n4jbd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=73b982713f56d5ec87020cd705c6ed03e3304b73

[golden plover]

It was over for Nissa when they took her racism away

[twilit canyon]

actually true

oh right

fucking

nahiri

[sudden lava]

I like cache grab

[golden plover]

As the biggest Nahiri defender, what the fuck are they do without her rn?

[twilit canyon]

shes isolating zendikar

yippee

[golden plover]

Remember when the ONE story made it sound like she could control her phyresis, because she can manipulate metal and stone?

And then they randomly went "haha nah that's not how that works" and threw her down a ravine

And then had her just wake up normal on Zendikar

[twilit canyon]

years of xenophobia and wasted potential only for her to come right out and learn nothing

[lusty trench]

seal ancient abominations with old bastards
old bastards don’t help when they break loose
fuck
brilliant idea alert
genocide

[trail anvil]

but she was angry

very angry

[twilit canyon]

they hate to see a girlboss win

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Hunters-Talent-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

green class card

[trail anvil]

looks like a limited powerhouse no?

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Thornvault-Forager-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

[trail anvil]

decent removal early, good value on the back end if you would normally durdle

[golden plover]

Tbf Nahiri was VERY mad

[lusty trench]

It’s standard rate for a one sided fight but a decent mana sink late

[golden plover]

And half her plane was already genocided

[trail anvil]

golden goose 2 poggers

[golden plover]

So she went "fuck it, it's your turn Sorin"

[twilit canyon]

tbf knowing her plane produced someone as stupid as nissa

[lusty trench]

Tell her to point her anger at the cause instead of just letting it happen more

[golden plover]

Although Bala Ged randomly got better in like 2 months?

[twilit canyon]

maybe she was right in a way

[golden plover]

Yeah Nahiri was justified

[twilit canyon]

the only thing nissa was right about was that zendikar would fix itself

[golden plover]

No more Nissa? No more Sorin? Win win

[twilit canyon]

but it'd still be a hell on earth type plane for anyone normal

[lusty trench]

to be clear pope, this is like saying the USA has been attacked by a third party, and the allies aren’t helping as they should, so instead of fighting the attackers, the USA bombs France

[golden plover]

Oh nah I'm very much joking

It was a dumb Nahiri decision

But she's all about dumb decisions

[lusty trench]

Okay sorry can’t read that through text well I’m bad at sarcasm

[twilit canyon]

sorin absolutely didnt help yes but that was bc hes an edgelord

[golden plover]

It is kinda Sorin's fault tho

Like that's the one thing Nahiri was right on

[twilit canyon]

didnt explain shit when confronted

nahiri rightfully mad at him for it

[golden plover]

Nahiri was like "hey we can stop the genocide" and Sorin went "too busy, playing with my angel daughter"

[twilit canyon]

sorin's like "wow i hate women" and seals her away

[golden plover]

I bet Nahiri felt so vindicated when Emrakul drove Avacyn mad

[twilit canyon]

idr was there a reason it had to be zendikar?

this plan was when all 3 were pre-mending walkers

[golden plover]

Nah, there wasn't a reason

[trail anvil]

then why didn't he do that thing where he finally explained it but only on his deathbed

[twilit canyon]

cus hes not dying

sorin prints money

[trail anvil]

exactly

[lusty trench]

I think it was just easier due to how mana rich zendikar is

[golden plover]

Nahiri suggested sending them to a random nothing plane where it was safe

Sorin and Ugin were needed for that

[twilit canyon]

right

[lusty trench]

And how they were already there

[trail anvil]

not maintaining the edginess smh

[golden plover]

And because they didn't help, Zendikar was the closest target

[lusty trench]

I love how the conclusion to beating the eldrazi on zendikar was just a level 9 fire ball

[glad peak]

Huh threshold is back

[twilit canyon]

could have sent the eldrazi to mirrodin or the fomori plane

or one of bolas' worlds

[golden plover]

Would've taken Sorin's help

But yeah, that was Nahiri's original plan

[lusty trench]

Send them to new phyrexia, either you have no more problems or a much bigger one

Let’s go gambling

[twilit canyon]

theres no way the phyrexians compete with the eldrazi

[golden plover]

Speaking of Phyrexians and Eldrazi... Tamiyo's Journals????

[twilit canyon]

they failed to dent ravnica

[glad peak]

But now we’d have to deal with phyrexian eldrazi

[golden plover]

That was such a weird dropped plot point

[lusty trench]

Before MoM I could’ve maybe of seen them holding out a little bit

[golden plover]

WAIT JACE STILL KNOWS ABOUT THAT

[lusty trench]

Afterwards nah they’re folding

[twilit canyon]

post-mom they were all frauds

it was evident

[golden plover]

I'm sure the writers are gonna forget about it lmao

[twilit canyon]

any decently strong plane bullied the phyrexians off

[golden plover]

Tamiyo and Jace are the only two characters to know Emrakul sealed herself in Innistrad's moon

And both were compleated

[twilit canyon]

and the eldrazi did nothing with that

[golden plover]

Norn should have theoretically known this

[trail anvil]

this is such a weird card wtf

[twilit canyon]

its fucking chains

[lusty trench]

And she still chose to invade innistrad

[twilit canyon]

[[chains of mephistopholes]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/leg/91/chains-of-mephistopheles

Chains of Mephistopheles <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
If a player would draw a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, they draw a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, they mill a card.

[trail anvil]

[[song of creation]] tribal

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/210/song-of-creation

Song of Creation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Whenever you cast a spell, draw two cards.
At the beginning of your end step, discard your hand.
She wept, not from perfect understanding, but from serene gratitude.

[golden plover]

It's really weird norn didn't try and get an answer as to why that happened

Wait... Ashiok (the real one) should know it too, right?

[twilit canyon]

they didnt even off-hand mention it

[lusty trench]

Emrakul just wants her beauty sleep smh

[twilit canyon]

like

[golden plover]

Since Ashiok invaded Norn's dreams and mind?

[lusty trench]

Gotta glow before you twist the minds of man

[twilit canyon]

they could have said "we should invade innistrad to study an eldrazi"

[golden plover]

I guess Ashiok wouldn't know if Norn never bothered to read Tamiyo's journal

But that requires 3 different "genius" characters all being dumb as hell

[twilit canyon]

maybe ashiok reads jace?

either way

jace and norn and tamiyo all were stupid as hell

[golden plover]

Like you're telling me that at no point during the months where Tamiyo was compleated, Norn didn't read Tamiyo's journal or mind at all

[lusty trench]

Jin Gitaxis looking at both tamiyo and Jaces mind seeing a book on their memory bookshelf called “REALLY IMPORTANT COMPENDIUM OF THE FUCKED SHIT ON INNISTRAD” and choosing not to read it both times

[golden plover]

Nashi should also theoretically know

Since he's got ghost mom and the journal

[lusty trench]

I’m still surprised ral of all people kept his spark

[golden plover]

Hell, [[Tamiyo, Compleated Sage]] fucking MAKES THE JOURNAL

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/238/tamiyo-compleated-sage

Tamiyo, Compleated Sage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:managup:936814520012263455><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
Compleated ( can be paid with , , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Tap up to one target artifact or creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−X: Exile target nonland permanent card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of that card.
−7: Create Tamiyo's Notebook, a legendary colorless artifact token with "Spells you cast cost less to cast" and ": Draw a card."
Loyalty: 5

[twilit canyon]

he dies in duskmourn

bet

only jace is allowed tocknow

*to know

[golden plover]

Do the writers even remember that Jace knows tho?

[lusty trench]

Writers “errm he forgor when his mum did magic healings on him”

[twilit canyon]

post layoffs maybe

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Wandertale-Mentor-Bloomburrow-Spoiler-400x559.png

this is your trash panda mentor

[golden plover]

I'm not convinced the writing team remembers that Jace knew about the Emrakul stuff

[trail anvil]

yo this card is nice as hell

2 mana into 4 mana curve is perfect

[golden plover]

If Jace is gonna be the next big bad, he'd clearly wanna use that, right?

[lusty trench]

If Jace is the next big bad I’m calling child protective services he’s not setting a good example for baby yoda

(The face that vraska didn’t get a animal planeswalker surprises me but ig all her walkers are bad so)

[golden plover]

Lmao of course she did the alt art for Ygra

[sudden lava]

yup, staple for if you draft raccoons

[golden plover]

They got the only confirmed furry artist to do the vore beasts full art

[trail anvil]

is she really the only confirmed one?

[lusty trench]

Show them lycaon from zzz im sure we’ll find more

[golden plover]

She's the only one who does furry art that's also under her real name

[lusty trench]

Obligatory

[golden plover]

There's probably more

But she's the only confirmed furry

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/La4VtgN-MEK2SwJoCIXqEA

I don’t remember if I sent it already

[trail anvil]

lmao vore cat goes infinite with 2 oven cats @golden plover

[trail anvil]

yeah that's a naya saga deck alright

one of the few times you'll use birgi's second ability

[rigid scarab]

Do not call him vore cat

[trail anvil]

he swallows everyone tho

everything is food

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGNHxIP3PIo

[gritty nest]

I forgot to add stuff like Forgotten Ancient/Ozolith/etc to help move 1/1 counters onto Sigurd

[golden plover]

Oh you're right lmao

Time to build pioneer cat vore

[gritty nest]

Oven cats?

[trail anvil]

[[cauldron familiar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/216/cauldron-familiar

Cauldron Familiar <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Cat
When Cauldron Familiar enters the battlefield, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
Sacrifice a Food: Return Cauldron Familiar from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Every day the cat returns to kill the same mouse, which sinks again into the cauldron's brew.
1/1

[gritty nest]

Yea I just realized

[trail anvil]

you think wizards would let you title it like that on the official list?

[gritty nest]

Only one way to find out

[golden plover]

Honestly I kinda wanna play it to find out

I think we can just play a Rakdos sac shell that was already using the cats and add in vore cat and some good green cards

Wait what MV is vore cat?

Dammit, he's 5

[gritty nest]

3BG

[golden plover]

Was thinking we could CoCo for game

Hmm we can splash [[Vandalblast]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/183/vandalblast

Vandalblast <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target artifact you don't control.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
Beauty is in the eye of the exploder.

[golden plover]

But I dunno if it's worth it

Maybe [[Meltdown]] in modern?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/282/meltdown

Meltdown <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy each artifact with mana value X or less.
Catastrophes happened so often at the mana rig that the viashino language had a special word to describe them.

[strong quartz]

So like I was catching up with the reveals and 1 card caught my ire

This ETB is terribly written right

Like this could have been bullet points or a long ass sentence with commas where "enters, [you] create ..., gain, .... create, and draw...." was written instead

[lusty trench]

It’s drawn out this way to not have to redraft how magic rules text is worded

It is a lot of text but correctly formatted

The issue comes from the fact it does a lot of different things, not that it checks a lot of things

[golden plover]

Yeah, it could use like bullet points or something

But it's worded that way because it's always been

Also

Can't help but think textless Urza's Saga is a bad idea

[waxen timber]

Wow, that is a juiced store championship

[lusty trench]

They really want people playing pioneer/limited huh

[fallow citrus]

holy shi

well it's the only way you're getting pioneer players

[golden plover]

How much does the karnstruct effect cost? Does the land have to tap for that? What about the search effect? Is it to your hand or to the field? Does it enter tapped?

These are questions you better know the answer of off the top of your head

Unfortunately this Saga is also gonna be like $200. Because it's only for winners

[lusty trench]

Unless the prize more than covers cost of entry (deck included) I doubt this will convince people

[fallow citrus]

lmfao if you're playing this card in a format you should know what urza's saga does

[golden plover]

Participants get shark typhoon

[lusty trench]

Nah this thing is gonna be like £50

[gritty nest]

It’s a saga that says when it hits the third chapter my opponent loses the game

[golden plover]

I mean I'm p sure I know the answer to all of them, but it's a question of specifics when they're played

[golden plover]

The iteration for winners is like $150

And that's an uncommon

[fallow citrus]

I'm sorry but this is like if they released MST with no text and people didn't know what it said

[golden plover]

This is gonna be like $200 minimum

[lusty trench]

Winner novelty, but the art is argue is worse than both original versions just because it’s boring

[fallow citrus]

the card has been so ubiquitous since it released that if you don't know what it does then I would assume you don't play a format with it in

[lusty trench]

But iteration looks good and is done by Dominik Mayer

Also that wasn’t a store championship

[sudden lava]

marked all the mentors we got revealed so far

we're missing rabbit mentor and squirrel mentor

[golden plover]

Oh right, these will probably be like $100 then

[lusty trench]

I’m staying firm at £50 tbh, I can’t see why anyone would want these over the originals

They do not look good

[gritty nest]

Because textless cards tend to honestly look cool

[lusty trench]

Look at it though

It is almost entirely brown with one red splotch for a power stone

There’s already a version devoid of colour and it looks better

[gritty nest]

I think the fact it’s meant to be etchings in a stone tablet/wall is going over your head. Of course it’s gonna be mainly one color

[lusty trench]

I am aware that it’s etchings

Just because it’s etchings doesn’t mean it has to be bland

[gritty nest]

And don’t get me wrong, the OG art is nice

But the textless is still good looking imo

Either way it’s still going to be more expensive than a regular saga purely because of the print

[lusty trench]

That’s fair and you’re entitled to your opinion

[golden plover]

I think it's supposed to be a Nazca line

It looks like it's in an entire desert range

[lusty trench]

Keep in mind that saga is like £30 here so £50 is about most I’d expect for it

[sleek ferry]

I’m so excited for Gruul being back in standard

[fallow citrus]

huh this is cool

https://x.com/PGDHanson/status/1810729774383517949?t=Xaz7lAXvrIl5I6n5wbQlqw&s=19

LevDev (Jordan) Gremlin (Gimbal) Jank Brewer (@PGDHanson) on X

Oh...they made muliple borderless printings of this card based on the season...neat :)

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 5:36 PM

[lusty trench]

Storm catch mentor does a lot god damn

[gritty nest]

That art looks sick

[lusty trench]

An electromancer with -1-1 but haste and prowess

[trail anvil]

stormcatch is gonna push izzet hard with slickshot

oh my god the token for tender wildguide is adorable too

[trail anvil]

god I really wanna use phial of galadriel with this

there are so many synergies to consider

[trail anvil]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8340042/edh_flubs @gritty nest thoughts on flubs so far with this? they aren't on archidekt yet so I just used a placeholder

there are a ton of cards I wouldn't consider otherwise cause it's like a benefit to empty your hand

[gritty nest]

Flubs?

[trail anvil]

my first thoughts on synergies were:

• cards that benefit off an empty hand and madness cards (obviously)
• storm cards to pop off with draws
• flashback to be able to use your grave as you empty your hand

[gritty nest]

He looks alright, could be fun, not my style though

You can definitely do a few things with him

[trail anvil]

also ramunap excavator and crucible are auto includes

I'm so excited to try him just cause empty hand combo sounds fun

[gritty nest]

So far nothing from bloomburrow has my attention

Except the white removal spell that gives a fish

That one’s funny

[trail anvil]

not even the bird that makes everyone's toughness 1?

[gritty nest]

I didn’t see that but I’m guessing it’s Azorius

[trail anvil]

nah monoblack

[gritty nest]

Oh

[trail anvil]

someone also suggested the idea that if we got the fool we might get the rest of the tarot 👀 I'd be down for that

[gritty nest]

I can see the bird in like

Orzhov or esper stax

Add Grand Cenobite

It also just now makes everything trade with tokens

[gritty nest]

We’ll have to see

There’s what, 13 of them?

[glad peak]

Pestilence

[gritty nest]

Oh god you’re right

I just remembered that existed

[trail anvil]

apparently 22 in the major tarot?

[trail anvil]

shoot kaervek alone works lol

but yeah making 1/1 flying tokens already just makes it crazy hard to attack into

[gritty nest]

True

[trail anvil]

omg you can run hugs in flubs

[gritty nest]

Don’t flub it now

Can’t wait to tell someone to start flubbing on the table

[trail anvil]

oh I'll flub all over the table

[fallow citrus]

[sudden lava]

here's a humorous version of the draft archetypes

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/me-looking-for-funny-looking-for-the-funny-wheres-the-funny-where-funny-funny-gif-19542839

[gritty nest]

When I had commodore guff super friends I used to say I was guffing it up

[glad peak]

that's a great flashlight, where do i get one