#Magic the Gathering

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[[v.a.t.s]]

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annihilate mana dorks, esper sentinel, ragavan, anything else that's 1 toughness (which tends to be a lot)

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even outside of cedh this would probably be decent for clearing tokens

gritty nest
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ragavan is red

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oh nevermind

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im ignorant

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yea i forgot vats existed, thank you

trail anvil
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I currently also run 2-more 1-drop or less evasive creatures, idk the math on it but you definitely need to see it turn 1 or you aren't doing anything

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ornithopter, faerie seer and network disruptor are other considerations

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i added disruptor since that was the one i didnt have

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I'd also run some other dual color lands in place of the surveil land prolly

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[[clearwater pathway]]

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what one could I run you think? i couldnt think of any

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ohhhhh

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straight up forgot that one

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exotic orchard for sure

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[[shizo, death's storehouse]] isn't bicolor but extremely useful for helping yuriko get through

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with the rest of the money you could probably squeeze another fetch in there

gritty nest
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im currently at 511

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jesus surveil lands are pricey, I get why tho lol

gritty nest
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and 91 cards

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[[mausoleum wanderer]] is also really good

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gritty nest
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added it

trail anvil
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oh [[talion, the kindly lord]]

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trail anvil
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this card is busted if you land it

gritty nest
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thought about it but cant think of a time it would be useful due to how erratic curves are at my scene

trail anvil
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wait are you playing cedh tables or just regular edh tables where you're trying to overpower

gritty nest
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regular but building strong to have another stomp stompers deck

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cause stuff like mental misstep is not gonna function well at regular tables

gritty nest
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ive just cut misstep tbh

trail anvil
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miscast also won't work well probably

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if you're just doing regular tables then deckbuilding is gonna be a lot different I think

gritty nest
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fair

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i was thinking of cutting fierce guardianship and offer you cant refuse

trail anvil
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guardianship is just a generically good thing tbh

gritty nest
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true

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ill cut offer either way, fuck my opponent getting mana

trail anvil
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wishclaw I'd just cut too then

gritty nest
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pierce i want to keep because t1 rings

trail anvil
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tbh wishclaw sucks unless you're somehow dealing with it or winning that turn

gritty nest
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fair

trail anvil
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if you're working with a slower table you can do [[solve the equation]] over regular tutors

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trail anvil
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[[$solve the equation]]

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gritty nest
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the only tutor in the deck now is vamp tutor

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actually long term plans

trail anvil
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if you aren't worried about instant kills then the priority is probably not tutoring super hard

gritty nest
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fair

trail anvil
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you can cut the 0-drops besides ornithopter too

gritty nest
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long term ill keep because it can potentially be used with Yuriko either way

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what about only keep ornithopter because it has evasion on a 0 drop body?

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sorry

trail anvil
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yeah basically

gritty nest
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yugioh player moment

trail anvil
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0 drop flying is pretty poggers even outside cedh

gritty nest
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skipped over the part you said besides ornithopter lol

trail anvil
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o yeah

gritty nest
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im at 25 lands (31 including MDFCs), hows that sound?

trail anvil
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dig through time and treasure cruise are also nice to have

gritty nest
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oh yea big mana stuff

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I might include more if you're planning to play a more drawn out game?

gritty nest
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turn like

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tbh at this point I'm more worried about how you're surviving the table lol

gritty nest
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6-9 at max

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i would say is the average

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6 on god hands

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9 on average

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okay so normal 7ish commander

gritty nest
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if that makes sense

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yea

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nobody plays fast mana

trail anvil
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tbh yuriko might be the wrong choice if you're being targeted with attacks lol

gritty nest
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but counterspells are somewhat prevalent if theyre in blue

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couldnt think of anyone else tbh

trail anvil
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unironically have you tried group hug

gritty nest
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no

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most pods have ignored me for most of the game because I give them resources

gritty nest
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i suck at strategies like that

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the big key is making sure not to give so much that you end up making them win lol

gritty nest
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is it sad i thought about building [[Pramikon, the Sky Rampart]] pillowfort

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trail anvil
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murica

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well either way if you're trying to be the archvillain you for sure need cyc rift and [[crippling fear]]

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and probably a host of other board wipes

gritty nest
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[[Eagle Vision]]?

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trail anvil
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sure

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[[scroll rack]] is also nuts with her

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gritty nest
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forgot about that

trail anvil
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shit you might want greaves

gritty nest
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im cutting weathered runestone

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nobody casts from GY or Library anyway

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ye

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or really plays recursion

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[[smoke shroud]]

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[[aqueous form]]

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gritty nest
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[[faerie slumber party]]? lol

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trail anvil
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eh maybe?

gritty nest
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oh shit i forgot about [[Insatiable avarice]]

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trail anvil
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at this point do you wanna build yuriko just to build yuriko

gritty nest
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like i said, i couldnt think of anything else

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i want to be able to table wipe consistently

trail anvil
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alternate suggestion for archvillainhood:

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[[toxrill, the corrosive]]

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Legendary Creature — Slug Horror
At the beginning of each end step, put a slime counter on each creature you don't control.
Creatures you don't control get -1/-1 for each slime counter on them.
Whenever a creature you don't control with a slime counter on it dies, create a 1/1 black Slug creature token.
manaumanab, Sacrifice a Slug: Draw a card.
7/7

gritty nest
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toxrill stax?

trail anvil
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or just control, either way I don't think you can get much more "archivillain board wipe each turn"

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really funny with [[flatline]]

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gritty nest
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lmfao

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i didnt know that existed

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i could probably build a nasty toxrill deck for cheap?

trail anvil
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depends how cheap you're looking for, but I imagine this'll work a lot better than yuriko and be under $500 lol

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but you really gotta channel all the vitriol you can

gritty nest
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i'll think about it

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any other ideas for commanders?

trail anvil
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board wipe tribal?

gritty nest
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sounds like my friends cleric tribal deck

trail anvil
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[[hinata, dawn crowned]] since you like jeskai

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gritty nest
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oh god

trail anvil
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tons of x= board wipes

gritty nest
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[[Mass manipulation]]

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ye lol

gritty nest
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doesnt make X truly 0 all the time i think but at least its a huge cost reduction

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it basically makes it XUUUU

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i was looking in another channel

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[[Judith, Carnage Connoisseur]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, choose one —
• That spell gains deathtouch and lifelink.
• Create a 2/2 red Imp creature token with "When this creature dies, it deals 2 damage to each opponent."
"I don't make my living hiding the truth, detective. I shout it from the stage."
3/4

trail anvil
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I feel like she's more synergy based, based on her staying on the field tho

gritty nest
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true

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which could be a problem if you're targeted with removal lol

gritty nest
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or dont have a way to prevent her from dying from your own board wipes

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well the good thing with her is that you don't need to worry about that at least

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[[blazing volley]]

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gritty nest
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fair

trail anvil
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there are better versions obv but as an example

gritty nest
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1 red boardwipe basically

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but yea i get what you mean

trail anvil
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shit now you got me wanting to build toxrill cause this guy has some fun synergies, but I hate playing control in edh lmao

gritty nest
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i love maldhound

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i also found my turbo budget feather deck

glad peak
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Welp just came back and y’all are cooking

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For decks that just turn sideways there’s jetmir, and for decks that can do anything there’s najeela

gritty nest
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fair

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i built the Yuriko deck but unsure about building it irl now with what Komi said about being able to kill the table

glad peak
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A sleeper pick for something that can combo, have synergies, and end up winning by attacking, there’s ob

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Yeah I don’t really like yuriko but she’s good to start with

gritty nest
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how does ob play?

glad peak
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A few things he can do are using stuff like unstable amulet to play rituals and cheap stuff to cycle through the deck and make ob big

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He can also combo kill because of course

gritty nest
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so basically

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rakdos slinger/go tall

glad peak
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Pretty much

gritty nest
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i see

glad peak
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Since it’s more proactive, you don’t really need to make changes to the meta like you would for anything with blue

gritty nest
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so pretty much

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do my thing

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interaction happens

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keep doing my thing

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right?

glad peak
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Yeah just power through once you get his engine going

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You also have access to the red elemental blasts and redirect spells so you can build protection around those too

gritty nest
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also null blast and eldritch immunity because generically good cards

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maybe, idk. i'm tired and just burnt out at this point

glad peak
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[[eldritch immunity]]

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gritty nest
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and null elemental blast is red/blue blast for multicolored spells

glad peak
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I mean, you can but colorless mana is a bit harder to come across without some of the turbo tools

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Null blast doesn’t really hit anything

gritty nest
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true

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again ill think about it

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thank you

gritty nest
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I’m not going to be yet, but goodnight if you are

glad peak
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Yep lol

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Gnight

stark skiff
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havent seen much Assassin Creed commander gameplay so it was neat to come across another one

gritty nest
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Be me

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Sitting across from Nadu

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sudden lava
gritty nest
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I love it when people don’t announce triggers so you miss your chance to do something about it

trail anvil
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if that happens then you rewind to where it was lol

gritty nest
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I couldn’t care enough to rewind, I was done with the game anyway. Dreadful game

trail anvil
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rip

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I get that

gritty nest
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Yep lol

stark skiff
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Anyways forgot to send yesterdays pickups

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@rigid scarab @sleek ferry @atomic harness Miyanowow

hidden ermine
sleek ferry
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That isshin has always looked super nice imo

stark skiff
sleek ferry
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Why not for an isshin deck smh

stark skiff
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Assassins are in

copper pecan
gritty nest
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so I saw the bonus card for Sheldon Spellbook lair. saddened by the card but still a neat choice

pulsar talon
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holy shit yugioh

stark skiff
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Do all the SLD come with a bonus card now?

gritty nest
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as far as i know they always have

stark skiff
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oh never bought one. didnt know if they all came with one or just select few

gritty nest
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ive never bought from the beginning but every one ive bought had a bonus card

stark skiff
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@atomic harness @rigid scarab @sleek ferry please don’t judge me ConcernedFroge

atomic harness
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No I love blue you're good

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I like using this alongside [[esper sentinel]]

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atomic harness
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azorious jigglypog

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finally I'm proud of you son

stark skiff
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life goal achieved

atomic harness
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have you tried grand arbiter augustin iv yet

stark skiff
atomic harness
stark skiff
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Judge promo of course

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he arbitrates more

atomic harness
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you using no more lies my son?

stark skiff
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nah havent been able to fit it yet

rigid scarab
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But

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💰

stark skiff
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I went to go buy other stuff lol KEKW

gritty nest
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Rhystic study is always a good pickup imo

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The confetti is pretty too

stark skiff
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Here’s what I actually wanted to get lol @atomic harness @sleek ferry @rigid scarab

gritty nest
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i might honestly buy a JP Edward Kenway if the NA one is still ungodly expensive when I get paid

lusty trench
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He’s £3 in the eu

gritty nest
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any way i can buy that besides CardMarket? im in the US

lusty trench
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Either contact the sellers on cardmarket or go on like magic madhouse or something

gritty nest
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never heard of magic madhouse

glad peak
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Kenway might be surprisingly good

gritty nest
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because hes mana generation, card advantage, and overall pretty good for 2 creature types and a 70% of the time mediocre card type

glad peak
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Idk how many good pirates there are other than Malcolm but the fact you can 1 card combo with him is decent and he provides both card advantage and mana

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The only issue is assassin and pirate is meh

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Oh and he’s grixis so of course

gritty nest
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huh

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[[Desynchronization]]

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gritty nest
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thats neat

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also mudkip

glad peak
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It’s alright, it doesn’t hit the most important things in the format

gritty nest
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it somewhat doesnt matter

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[[Roshan, Hidden Magister]]

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if you dont care about the rest of his text and care only that he makes everything an assassin

glad peak
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I don’t like roshan in kenway turbo

gritty nest
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thats fair

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i'm probably gonna run it purely because i pulled a showcase

lusty trench
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Kenway i like but because he doesn’t have the words draw a card on him im throwing him into the nearest mountain

gritty nest
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adewale, breaker of chains is also pretty good

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and hard to deal with if you dont have exile removal

glad peak
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Another deck where clown car is played KEKW

gritty nest
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oh god

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edward or adewale?

glad peak
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Edward

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[[adewale, breaker]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Pirate
When Adéwalé enters the battlefield, reveal the top six cards of your library. Put an Assassin, Pirate, or Vehicle card from among them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Whenever a Vehicle you control deals combat damage to a player, you may return Adéwalé from your graveyard to your hand.
4/1

glad peak
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Edward works amazingly with clown car KEKW

lusty trench
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What on earth is clown car

glad peak
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[[clown car]]

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glad peak
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0 mana to be able to tap your board

lusty trench
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Oh dear lord it is actually a clown car

gritty nest
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i need a clown car now fuck

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oh thank god its not expensive

lusty trench
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I just thought the community had a new name for smugglers copter KEKW

glad peak
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And in empty boards you can attack with clown car and get a free card

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Nah that’s still looter scooter

gritty nest
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Edward, Jackdaw, "Mary Read and Anne Bonny", and Basim Ibn Ishaq is all I need from Assassins Creed set

stark skiff
gritty nest
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[[Ezio, Blade of Vengeance]]

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damn youre right

stark skiff
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i think he's only in the starter deck tho not in the packs lol

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could be wrong but its what ive read somewhere

glad peak
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[[Mary read]]

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stark skiff
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also wtf wheres the Jackdaw in that list

glad peak
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Oh this card

gritty nest
stark skiff
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yea lol

gritty nest
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read it again

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its been there

stark skiff
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oh throw in the quartermaster then lol

gritty nest
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[[Quartermaster]]

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Multiple cards match “Quartermaster”, can you be more specific?

gritty nest
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im assuming the pirate one that searches for a vehicle

stark skiff
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yeah adewale lol

gritty nest
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thats

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thats not quartermaster

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[[Deadeye Quartermaster]]

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stark skiff
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lol

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he's the quartermaster to him but funny theres a card called that

gritty nest
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ah

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ive barely played Black Flag

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i just did the quest to get the assassin blades

stark skiff
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ive been replaying it recently

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Adrestia is also another good card

gritty nest
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have it already

stark skiff
gritty nest
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i saw lol

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im debating on it

lusty trench
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Huh

gritty nest
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but it's maybe not entirely worth due to just 2 cards and 90% of my creature lineup will already be the types I need

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i'm not looking at EDHREC for this deck, same with another deck im working on

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a card i overlooked is Cleopatra. Such a good value engine as a commander and now I want to make her as a deck fml lol

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[[Cleopatra]]

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thats pretty funny

stark skiff
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yeah i didnt realize the draw is for each counter on a creature and it can be opponents stuff

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no matter the amount of draws you hit only for 2 life

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its also a death trigger right?

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meaning [[Drivnod, Dominus]]

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stark skiff
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yeah

lusty trench
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I'd want to build a deck around shao jun but she reads meh and I feel like she plays even worse

gritty nest
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thats the tap 2 artifacts burn for 1 right?

lusty trench
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Just a bad commander for artifacts in a colour combo that isn't struggling for them

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Yeah

gritty nest
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she'd be great in the 99 of like artifact vomit decks

lusty trench
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She feels too situational even there

stark skiff
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Just finishing my Altair deck and then probably gonna make Da Vinci and then probably Kenway

gritty nest
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i can see her in maybe [[Saheeli, the gifted]] since you basically double the size of your board

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Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
+1: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
+1: The next spell you cast this turn costs mana1 less to cast for each artifact you control as you cast it.
−7: For each artifact you control, create a token that's a copy of it. Those tokens gain haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step.
Saheeli, the Gifted can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4

stark skiff
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then I guess Cleopatra

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so much stuff

gritty nest
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tap all the copies if you have nothing else to use them for

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But yea cleopatra looks fun

stark skiff
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[[Eagle Vision]]

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oh thats nice

sudden lava
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we so close to reveals

trail anvil
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pulled 3 packs and immediately made my money back muugu

gritty nest
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Eat it

lusty trench
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Crisp £20

stark skiff
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Just saw a guy open a goddamn Mana Crypt from Ixalan

lusty trench
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(ulamog and emrakul are both £20 here)

stark skiff
lusty trench
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Get a better card economy:3

trail anvil
gritty nest
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I mean

trail anvil
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I can't seem to pull the MDFCs I actually want from this pack but at least I'm pulling mythics like crazy

gritty nest
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It’s a real crypt

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Can’t really get too upset at that

trail anvil
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crypt is a nice card

gritty nest
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It is

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If I could get one I would

stark skiff
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If only that Fallout one was cheaper pensivecowboybread

twilit canyon
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commander?

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let me guess

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they run no fast mana

copper pecan
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no they did

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they literally did turn one sol ring mana crypt

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idk if they had any other rocks but they at least had that

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also they had [[bayou]]

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is this cedh?

copper pecan
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no it was regular edh

trail anvil
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lmao wow

copper pecan
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the guy's deck was kinda shit other the mana rocks

twilit canyon
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???

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im so confused then

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what the fuck was their curve

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i play 27 lands but my curve is 1.01

copper pecan
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they were playing a skullbriar deck with a bunch of equips and folded immediately after someone else played the overload card that blows up all artifacts

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they didn't draw any lands other than bayou for the entire game and never even casted skullbriar

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copper pecan
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yeah it was that

rigid scarab
stark skiff
trail anvil
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which color did you get?

rigid scarab
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Rainbow

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I regret not holding onto it

stark skiff
glad peak
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Soooo I might be doxxing myself but a shop opened up nearby owned by Cassius Marsh

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There’s apparently going to be “commander events with large cash prizes” so I hope we can use proxies because it’ll be cedh for sure

golden plover
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Nah, Cassius is no proxy cedh

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Which is lame

trail anvil
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when you get to serious tournament level

golden plover
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I guess that's fair, but it locks cedh into being an already rich person's tournament

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Because you sure as hell can't afford a no-proxy cedh deck if you don't already have a lot of money

glad peak
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Idk how much the prize is but I’m pretty sure a good number of people are going to get punked into joining thinking it’s pretty casual

copper pecan
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edh kinda sucks as a tournament format

glad peak
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True but for the right price and prize, it might be worth trying out

glad peak
golden plover
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Yeah, I think it kinda sucks for cedh to do no proxy

glad peak
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I don’t know much about the guy, almost missed it when the person said who the owner was lol

golden plover
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Sure you might win like an alpha dual or whatever, but for the $15k to get the alpha dual, you've bought your cedh deck

sleek ferry
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Last big event had a black lotus as the prize though iirc

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If I was you, I would just take Magda or any mono color commander

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Teferi won the last one

glad peak
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How much is Magda nowadays

sleek ferry
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The last one that won was like 2.5k ?

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But if you have a good chunk of cedh staples

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It’s probably under 800

glad peak
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Maybe then

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There are other shops in the area that allow proxies so hopefully that’s at least some pressure to let us use proxies

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But highly doubtful

trail anvil
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are those shops also giving out black lotuses as prizing nyaruhodo

glad peak
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Nope but they’re giving alpha duals

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Also they specified cash prizing so I don’t think it’s anywhere near lotus

trail anvil
stark skiff
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is there a site i can make a mtg list to share as a guest or do they all require accounts?

glad peak
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I think mtggoldfish didn’t need one?

trail anvil
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ik mtggoldfish and archidekt don't

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I think moxfield doesn't? I don't remember tho

glad peak
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Just do what I do, excel sheet nyaruhodo

glad peak
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What commander has the most accessible 1 card combos?

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There’s godo of course but let’s take mana into consideration as a card for 3 mana

glad peak
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Sure but they’re nowhere near as accessible as a lot of commanders

glad peak
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Yeah we’re not doing that lol

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Way too much mana

sudden lava
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forgot what the god equivalent is

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oh found it

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slightly less expensive

glad peak
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We’re not going to be anywhere near that mana cost for the purposes of this deck

trail anvil
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I'm also inexperienced in this area but I can't help but wonder if it's derevi/najeela

twilit canyon
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like raw commander + single card

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ukkima has technical 3 cards it auto wins off of

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najeela has the same

trail anvil
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for the sake of learning, I'm guessing food chain is one of them for ukkima? what are the others?

twilit canyon
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consultation and pact

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since they go to your food chain

trail anvil
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ic

twilit canyon
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but, can serve as a two card with thoracle

trail anvil
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btw misty where do you usually play cedh?

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cockatrice is very far from ideal already for regular edh, it gets even worse there somehow lol

twilit canyon
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right now? i dont really lol

trail anvil
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ah rip

twilit canyon
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im testing some stuff for ukkima with my sister

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thats it

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if u want dedicated cedh pods, the /r/cedh discord server has consistent lfg

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and ppl playing constantly

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pretty well moderated and queer safe server

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ik they generally do webcam but they also do cockatrice

trail anvil
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god I've joined so many discord servers lately but I might

twilit canyon
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that ones one where i can at least attest to it being a good one. i think they do have some casual pods? idr

trail anvil
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tbh it'd be nice to find more casual online pods too

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I really wanna be able to test out new decks or even just use my IRL ones more

rigid scarab
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One of the reasons casual edh has built up a negative stigma

trail anvil
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ik that's why I'm trying to find a regular one that doesn't pensivecowboybread

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usually my irl pods are good

rigid scarab
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There's where you find the pubstompers, the interaction whiners, the people complaining that their deck "isn't being let to do its thing"

trail anvil
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I get the interaction whiners the most, the "that's not a 7!" crowd

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I know one dude who regularly ragequits if any player is playing group hug at any capacity

gritty nest
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sounds like someone i know

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will personally hard target the group hug player

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i would do online pods if I knew a group and had a decent setup

broken fjord
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I run a gluntch group hug deck, but put in a really dumb win condition so that I'm at least trying to win while hugging everyone. It's a manland + book of exalted deeds combo deck.

trail anvil
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same but for my wincon I just put a bunch of +1 counters on my things then kill people with a double striking 11/16 flying jellyfish

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it's really fun casting approach of the second sun and turning from the best buddy of the table into nicol bolas immediately though

gritty nest
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i never really liked the idea of group hug myself, but the ideas sound funny

broken fjord
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Oh, it's very funny. I showed my friend after our game, since I happened to win another way. He was very upset, since no one in the pod ran anything that could hit lands.

trail anvil
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I feel like most people tend not to run any land destruction, even field of the ruin-like cards

broken fjord
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Well, Chaos Warp woulda beaten it. Same with Beast Within or Generous Gift. But no one had those. That said, it's not like a ran a ton of tutors to find the stuff. I relied on Gluntch to get me enough cards and mana, among other things.

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My real heinous deck is a Grist build that revolves around finding and/or milling lands and permanents.

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Shifting Woodlands is the main attraction. I get to play stupid but expensive permanents like Kuro Pitlord and Grave Betrayal.

gritty nest
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single target land removal is fine, but MLD (especially if you make it one sided) is more annoying

broken fjord
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Yeah. People should run some amount of land hate, tbh. So many strong lands now

gritty nest
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interaction in general isnt a bad thing

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Any of you have deck ideas in mind youre working on?

broken fjord
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Well, I'm still refining Grist.

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Ashamed to say that I have Glacial Chasmed to win. Kinda want something more fun, but a little stuck coming up with ideas. The heat isn't helping

gritty nest
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is grist the group hug deck?

broken fjord
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No, Glunch is.

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Grist is shifting woodland mill, I guess.

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Get powerful permanents in grave to copy with shifting woodlands. Find impactful lands to generate tons of mana.

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It's even got Tron in it

gritty nest
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ahh okay, sorry

broken fjord
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Oh it's no problem.

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It's a cool deck idea. I actually got to resolve Grave Betrayal's effect. Was very cool

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I could run Phage the Untouchable too. No etb to worry about

gritty nest
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yea, maybe. I'm not too sure the best cards for it myself

broken fjord
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Tarrian's Journal and Journey to Eternity are crazy. Tarrian's land side means Grist is never gone for long

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Since Grist exiles to transform, you don't worry about the finality counter

gritty nest
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oh is it the new grist?

broken fjord
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Yup

gritty nest
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i was thinking OG

broken fjord
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Old Grist sadly keeps the finality counter

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So it gets exiled

gritty nest
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oof

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there's 2 decks im slowly working on, the second one im more stumped on than the first

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Edward Kenway and Ravos, Soultender paired with Tana the Bloodsower

trail anvil
gritty nest
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yea they all hit anything lol

trail anvil
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my brain just autofills that part and it hasn't come up for me yet or maybe it has with glacial chasm and I missed it

gritty nest
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hey Komi, can I get your thoughts please? how do you think i should take the [[Ravos, Soultender]] [[Tana, the Bloodsower]] deck?

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rip bot

trail anvil
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uh I'll Google this

broken fjord
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Kinda sad that I'm fairly adept at Magic, but I suck at Yugioh despite me growing up with it

gritty nest
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its 4c blueless

trail anvil
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I'm trying really hard to get back into yugioh but decks these days are so much less intuitive

gritty nest
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same, but cant find any yugioh players irl

trail anvil
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mostly cause so many cards are extenders and I struggle to figure out the optimal combo

trail anvil
gritty nest
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do you want me to grab the cards btw for you to see? unsure if you googled them

trail anvil
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I'm doing it rn

gritty nest
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ah okay

broken fjord
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Entomb and Lively Dirge seem good

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For that deck

trail anvil
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uh that's just go-wide + aristocrat yeah?

gritty nest
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I think so

trail anvil
#

have you checked the edhrec page for ideas?

gritty nest
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was trying to avoid it, but if it comes down to it i'll probably look into it

trail anvil
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edhrec to me is the Wikipedia of deckbuilding sites

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not the final resource but definitely a great start

broken fjord
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Street Wraith is good

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A draw every turn

gritty nest
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i mean yea

trail anvil
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oh hey that's fun

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landcycling creatures are nice too huh

gritty nest
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my main stump right now is what to do with Tana, because she's kinda there for colors, if that makes sense

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4 mana 2/2 with trample, she would need to be bigger to be able to do her thing better

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my first idea was cards like [[Warleader's Call]] and [[Cathar's Crusade]]

broken fjord
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The two don't have much to do with each other sadly

gritty nest
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i keep forgetting the bot isnt working

trail anvil
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champion of lambholdt is a must

broken fjord
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Check out Crescendo of War

gritty nest
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looking on edhrec

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shes most paired with Tymna, the Weaver

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followed by Malcolm, Ardenn, then Ravos

trail anvil
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ofc tymna lol

broken fjord
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If you go super wide, Crescendo ends games fast

gritty nest
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i get shes card draw but imo Ravos works better for an orzhov choice because hes at least an anthem and recursion

trail anvil
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that said kutzil looks insane in here

broken fjord
gritty nest
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yea was trying to find Crescendo

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uh

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[[Kutzil]]

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fuck

trail anvil
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tbh can't you just run cards that give deathtouch then trade in and plus off ravos?

broken fjord
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4 strife counters per rotation.

gritty nest
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yea i could

trail anvil
gritty nest
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or make the tokens the ways to trade

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OH

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hold on

trail anvil
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tbh this deck looks really fun

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that enchantment that makes tokens tap for mana goes so hard

gritty nest
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he would start getting out of hand instantly with Tana

trail anvil
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okay so

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I'd actually highly recommend against this card lol

gritty nest
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whys that

trail anvil
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speaking from experience this guy gets targeted really hard and the fact that he needs to attack makes him clunky

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I tried running him as a commander and it was so hard to snowball with him

gritty nest
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thats

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fair

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i'm still going to throw him in for now because the deck is basically

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a cobbled mess, and I know I have one

broken fjord
trail anvil
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I just think there are 99 better cards so I'd cut this first when you can

gritty nest
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im going to add hoof and moonshaker when possible

trail anvil
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that's fun

gritty nest
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because obvious go wide strategy is obvious

broken fjord
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War pride and life and limb are hilarious

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In go wide

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Yavimaya makes their lands 1/1 saprolings

gritty nest
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im not doing that

broken fjord
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Nacatl sees those and generates that many tapped and attacking cats

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That can only be blocked by 1 creature. They either die or lose everything.

gritty nest
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And they must be blocked

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Meaning mass land wipe

broken fjord
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Yeah. Garruk's Uprising is silly here. Elemental Bond moreso

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Hello card draw

gritty nest
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I’m not adding Yavimaya to MLD but the cat itself is funny

broken fjord
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Well, it kills them if their lands are tapped out

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Which usually most will be tapped

gritty nest
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I’m not taking the chance for it tbh

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I’m not dealing with the headache

broken fjord
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I get you. It was just funny for me

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Cat is still neat

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I think

gritty nest
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“Oh you run an MLD combo, we’re gonna hate you off the table from now on”

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I feel like it would go hard in Rin and Seri

rigid scarab
#

I think most casual pods make the consensus of "MLD to win is fine, MLD to slow the game down isn't"

broken fjord
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Yeah. This isn't armageddon

gritty nest
#

My local scene gets pissed with both

broken fjord
#

You're trying to kill them

trail anvil
gritty nest
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But they also get pissed if you swords their toxrill

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So

trail anvil
rigid scarab
#

Also keep in mind that

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People will react differently to the tone you bring when you do it

gritty nest
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“Gonna cast grapeshot copied three times then flash in world fire, any responses?”

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“Man fuck you”

rigid scarab
#

If you Swords a Toxrill but follow it with "Sorry, but I think Toxrill surviving makes me lose the game"

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Most people would be perfectly fine

broken fjord
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I've made a table a bit upset when I let a guy borrow my rukamarel combo deck.

rigid scarab
#

If you get met with confrontation

gritty nest
#

At my LGS I’ve rarely seen people be reasonable with proper threat assessment

rigid scarab
#

The worst thing you can do is elevate the tension

broken fjord
#

Good old vomiting your entire deck out with World Tree

gritty nest
#

And most people have bad threat assessment

trail anvil
#

I can't imagine being mad about not being able to borrow a deck

broken fjord
#

It was a Preston, The Myriad Master from Doctor Who, white Ojer, and questing beast to teferi's pro wouldn't save a guy from commander damage

gritty nest
#

I have a story for you

broken fjord
#

Preston and Ojer flood the board with stupid amounts of creatures. Think there was a jodah in there

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So Rukamerel was huge

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The table was mad

gritty nest
#

Friend of mine let one of the people down there borrow the Mothman precon, this was the last game btw otherwise the friend would be running late on personal events. Game was close to over so friend tried to swing out on the Mothman dude and someone else to KO 2 people (and get the Mothman deck back in a timely manner.) one player fogged and another did something else. Friend said either way they have to leave, and he took the Mothman deck with him, for obvious reasons, which royally pissed off the dude playing the precon

rigid scarab
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The actual game is one thing

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How everyone was talking at the table is a whole different factor

trail anvil
rigid scarab
trail anvil
#

I've ignored optimal play many times because the store was closing

gritty nest
#

He said he was doing that to try to get the game over with so he can leave

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He even said that in advance

broken fjord
#

Smacked a guy with an 11/11 Cactus Preserve on turn 3. Got targeted for that one

trail anvil
broken fjord
#

Pride of the Hull Clade

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Preserve checks commander cmc for stats

trail anvil
#

ah lmao

gritty nest
broken fjord
#

Myriad Master made Taq and Preston crazy. Since the tokens stay since they don't have legend rule.

trail anvil
#

dude communicated that clearly and they still chose to extend the game

trail anvil
#

it's not a loss but if the game needs to end it needs to end

broken fjord
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But are still legends, so 4 Jodahs are buffing everything.

gritty nest
trail anvil
broken fjord
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It was a stupid fun idea, but I took apart the deck

rigid scarab
#

Yeah idk why the guy fogged when the other guy clearly needed to go

broken fjord
#

Too linear in the end.

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It always did the same thing

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Don't think it lost a game

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So it was not balanced for the group

gritty nest
#

Because situational awareness is not in their catalogue (seriously, I’ve played a few games with them, they’re a bit self centered)

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The only one who isn’t usually was the one that was borrowing the deck

rigid scarab
#

I could say a lot about how people can improve etiquette in casual tables

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And a lot of it

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Kinda also goes for board games

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Which makes sense bc

gritty nest
#

I can agree, I’ll agree I have my moments I need to work on

rigid scarab
#

Most people who only play EDH see it as a board game/tabletop experience

gritty nest
#

I blew up on someone because they smacked me for 39 when I was a threat to them

trail anvil
#

yeah I needed to learn to stop trying to strike deals all the time lol

broken fjord
#

I get away with a lot

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Politics wise

trail anvil
#

that's just what got me into commander cause I thought it sounded funny

rigid scarab
#

Most of it has to do with both

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How to act when you're the threat of the table

broken fjord
#

I have convinced a guy to work with me, despite the entire table telling him to not take my deals. And they had personal experience with me.

gritty nest
#

Well here’s what happened at least

broken fjord
#

I have a way with words.

rigid scarab
#

And how to act when interacting with people who aren't obvious threats of the table

broken fjord
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I never break my word, though. So people at least trust me in terms of what I offer

trail anvil
#

breaking your word on a deal is just scummy most of the time imo

gritty nest
#

Ulalek, cast echoes of eternity and copy it. Now that’s all I had left to do, there was a syr Konrad on board and a Dogmeat that was close to lethal

broken fjord
#

But I'm a letter of the law politics guy, not a spirit of the law one.

trail anvil
#

if they're withholding info I think that's valid grounds to break it tho

rigid scarab
gritty nest
#

They reflector mage Ulalek, swung for 34 then drained me for 5

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That’s why I blew up, I felt hard targeted for an unjustified reason

rigid scarab
#

And parrot "Skill issue" to people who aren't comfortable with EDH being Mafia

trail anvil
#

yeah I get that much, I feel like it's just an unofficial rule 0. but then again everybody looks at the game different

#

all I care about honestly is that the table is having as much fun as possible, that's why I like group hug

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although it's morphed more into "here I'll give you a comeback mechanic"

gritty nest
#

My friend is the opposite

broken fjord
#

Nothing quite like Ugin's Binding someone and them knowing exactly what's coming next in Ulalek.

gritty nest
#

“There’s only so much fun in a game of magic, and I want all of it”

broken fjord
#

Ah yes, I will have 7 mana next turn. Wonder what I'm casting next.

gritty nest
#

They built literal cEDH urza stax to play against not cEDH decks one time

trail anvil
rigid scarab
#

Ok that's just a dick move

trail anvil
#

thankfully usually my pod is also like "why" when that happens

twilit canyon
#

true they could have played a good deck

gritty nest
#

I called him out on it (by called him out I mean the literal blow up I did)

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Gave me a “what do you want me to do about it” look

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Not be shit at the game?

broken fjord
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I never build more than one super high power deck.

rigid scarab
#

Pulling cEDH against casual is something you do one time as a joke against people you're already close with

gritty nest
#

Well we bitched at them to stop playing the urza deck

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They used the staples to make koma

trail anvil
#

I remember one post where some dude brought a cedh deck to a casual table and the rest of the pod continued on after they won with an infinite

gritty nest
#

Turn 1 Koma was a thing

broken fjord
#

If I'm in the mood for something like CEDH, which is very rarely, I'll pull it out. And tell people what to expect, and ask if they're up for it.

trail anvil
#

so that player had to sit and watch

broken fjord
#

But pub stomping on purpose is stupid

gritty nest
#

Good

trail anvil
#

I wanted to build one because there is a cedh pod at my lgs, but I rarely play with them anyways

gritty nest
#

They wasted my time by just dunking on the table, least I can do is get an actual game in

trail anvil
#

and they have casual decks too

rigid scarab
#

Still need to get around with proxying a cEDH deck

gritty nest
#

But yea, the blow up was actually this past Friday, it’s been on my mind since and just wondering how much in the wrong I am

broken fjord
#

Actually bullied a guy off of the table before game start. He tried to bring out Satoru, and we were in a low power mood. So I just say "if that has what I think it has, then we're not playing". He walked away.

gritty nest
#

Apparently when I walked away my friend commented to them that we literally powered down our decks to be more fair with the local scene

rigid scarab
#

Self-reflection is good

gritty nest
broken fjord
#

He didn't even ask.

#

Just knew

trail anvil
#

what's the thing for someone out of the loop

broken fjord
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It was kamigawa release week. Everyone knew what Satoru was packing.

#

Blightsteel

trail anvil
#

ah lmao

gritty nest
broken fjord
#

We were playing dogshit

#

Couldn't compete with that.

gritty nest
#

Blightsteel, or any other overpowered 6 mana + thing on turn 4

broken fjord
#

Because we felt like playing garbage.

trail anvil
#

I honestly don't get instant kill cards in casual decks, it's so unsatisfying to me

#

especially if it kills exactly one person so you're just turning someone into a spectator as you get focused down

rigid scarab
#

[[Beamtown Bullies]] lowkey casual menace

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Legendary Creature — Ogre Devil Warrior
Vigilance, haste
manat: Target opponent whose turn it is puts target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under their control. It gains haste. Goad it. At the beginning of the next end step, exile it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
4/4

trail anvil
#

oh hey it's back

broken fjord
#

It's also decent in Duel Commander

trail anvil
#

yeah this card with leveler is just... man lmao

gritty nest
#

It’s a thing

trail anvil
#

unrelated but now that the bot's back, [[cleopatra, exiled pharaoh]] looks insanely fun to build

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gritty nest
#

Yea someone was talking about it earlier

trail anvil
#

bounty counters + floating + ridiculous value with ozolith

gritty nest
#

[[Ratadrabik of urborg]]

lost widgetBOT
gritty nest
#

Damn

trail anvil
#

imagine lol

gritty nest
#

Ikr

#

It was my first thought

trail anvil
#

would probably fit well in that abzan +1 counter legend pairing

#

yoshimaru reyhan

gritty nest
#

Oh god

gritty nest
#

That would work

#

But yea, thank you guys for the card suggestions for the weird mess of a deck I’m doing

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I don’t know how well it’ll turn out but I think it’ll be decent

broken fjord
#

Oh, still need to work on finishing my Rex Cyberhoud upgrades. MH3 was very kind to it.

#

Kills so much more reliably

trail anvil
#

there are more synergies than I thought

gritty nest
#

For cleopatra?

broken fjord
#

Rex is probably the coolest Azorious combo deck

trail anvil
trail anvil
#

I should be replying lol

gritty nest
#

O

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No your good I just like to clarify

broken fjord
#

I've actually killed someone with a 100/100+ rex. Very satisfying.

trail anvil
gritty nest
#

I added a [[Kambal, Profiteering]] to the pile I have

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Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your opponents' control, for each of them, create a tapped token that's a copy of it. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
2/4

broken fjord
#

[[Phyrexian Devourer]]

lost widgetBOT
broken fjord
#

Very silly in rex.

trail anvil
#

this card is still fuckin insane for 3 mana

gritty nest
#

Ikr

trail anvil
#

idk why it's 3 mana

gritty nest
#

The dude puts in so much work for so little investment

trail anvil
#

sacrifice*

broken fjord
#

Yup

#

You just get super big

gritty nest
#

I see it hit the table in my friends aristocrat token deck and my first thought is get rid of it

broken fjord
#

Run Reality Chip to sculpt your best draws

gritty nest
#

On a serious note I’m going to head off for now, it is 5am

#

Have a good day or night, whichever it is for you guys

broken fjord
#

You too

trail anvil
#

night

broken fjord
#

Don't forget her best friend, Skullbriar.

#

So many easy includes. Kami of Whispered Hopes, Ozolith, Green Ozolith, Hardened Scales, Agatha's Soul Cauldron and so on.

stark skiff
#

yea id be moving most of my stuff from my agatha deck to it lol

#

along with -1/-1 like hapatra and stuff

trail anvil
#

there's a ridiculous amount of synergy with this, the multi-counter cards go crazy too

#

also I'm extremely into this and [[generous patron]] to make other players the "problem" while plussing

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stark skiff
#

good thing cleo does that already lol

broken fjord
#

[[Sheltering Ancient]] and [[Evolutionary Escalation]]

lost widgetBOT
broken fjord
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Make everything the problem.

#

Then offer bounties with [[Chevill, Bane of Monsters]].

lost widgetBOT
sleek ferry
#

I started playing Azorius

#

Aven interrupter is broken

lusty trench
#

Sorry sir this here is a

sudden lava
#

Episode 5 of your Bloomburrow lore

#

also

#

Who is this man?! weasel tunneler noises

golden plover
#

Wow Kolgahan did absolutely nothing the whole time

lusty trench
golden plover
#

We love having random characters show up and do literally nothing

golden plover
#

Can't wait for next set to have both wasted potential women on the same plane

sleek ferry
#

Holy

#

Get fucked mono red

trail anvil
#

lmao aven interruptor vs plot is nasty

gritty nest
#

Good afternoon

fallow citrus
#

god this art is so good

trail anvil
#

oh wow this is

fallow citrus
lusty trench
#

Wow the level of detail on this

hidden ermine
#

Grief is amazing

#

Fury feels just a little less flavourful than Grief though

lusty trench
#

Idk the war going on in the background makes me think of overwhelming fury

hidden ermine
#

Yeah but it feels less like a representation of fury and more like

#

I guess a sweeper?

#

Its more directly war-themed

#

Which I guess just encompasses more emotions than just Fury

lusty trench
#

I feel like they could've done a better job representing fury here instead of just generic flame elemental

#

Like the grief one looks like it's opening a gateway to the afterlife with its hands in it's chest

trail anvil
#

well it's not just the war but the last standing soldier facing the mouth demon 👅 💦

#

the swords being shot out/falling is really cool

hidden ermine
#

Its good art

trail anvil
#

grief is just really damn cool though

hidden ermine
#

It just feels like less of a flavour slamdunk compared to Grief

lusty trench
#

I feel like furys elemental should be more explosive

#

Less put together

trail anvil
#

idk I feel like the fury you feel when all your comrades have died is represented pretty well in that art

lusty trench
#

I like the soldiers part of it

trail anvil
#

grief is just so incredibly obvious with a dude holding a corpse

lusty trench
#

But the elemental itself is lacking imo

trail anvil
#

you think so? I feel like the lava elements represent fury well

golden plover
#

Grief is a cool art. Unfortunately it's on one of the most busted cards lmao

#

Hey, at least that means the art sees play

lusty trench
sudden lava
gritty nest
#

Is [[thousand year storm]] good or just an over costed win more card?

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trail anvil
#

kinda, but it's also really funny

#

also giving everything storm lite is actually really potent

gritty nest
#

True

#

I’m thinking of rebuilding my Grixis Storm deck

#

Which was mainly onyx smog turbo

#

This was my old list

fallow citrus
copper pecan
#

more lore

#

elspeth's fursona is a mouse

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also bloomburrow was originally pitched as a post-apocalyptic setting

lusty trench
#

Elspeth is in this set?

copper pecan
#

no

lusty trench
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Or is it just what they canonically say her form is if she was on- ah

copper pecan
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just a hypothetical about what her bloomburrow form would be

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tamiyo would be a rabbit

trail anvil
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fwiw those surveil lands are the very first print

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oh wtf chat didn't scroll

copper pecan
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biggest lore reveal in the podcast is that the dragon from that art we saw earlier isn't kolaghan

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a dragonstorm from tarkir went through one of the omenpaths and this dragon came from one of those

lusty trench
copper pecan
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dragonstorms going through the omenpaths will be plot relevant in the future

golden plover
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Wait it's not Kolgahan

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Why are they legendary then

copper pecan
trail anvil
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because it's a new creature nyaruhodo

gritty nest
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And we need 30 new legendaries every set

stark skiff
lusty trench
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Might be kolaghans kid

copper pecan
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it's from a dragonstorm which means it isn't kolaghan's kid

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just the same type of dragon

fallow citrus
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this is fucking hilarious

copper pecan
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"i won with this card so it's broken also i got four byes from my friends and only actually won two games"

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not making a good case for yourself chief

gritty nest
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Sounds more like amalia is not broken

fallow citrus
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I would argue it is but like

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I've seen this explode as a meme format on twitter so quick

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this person is the least serious mtg player ever

lusty trench
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I just thought scoop was the name of a deck lmao

gritty nest
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If it’s real then it’s the least serious case to use

fallow citrus
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oh absolutely

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Just 7-0ed a crazy draft where my deck was literal GARBAGE LOL. I might be the best in the world
R1 opp dc
R2 opp mull to 4 stuck on 1 land
R3 opp dc
R4 arena bug free win
R5 wotc staff (always free)
R6 opp skipped t1 and t2
R7 paired against friend and offered them an ice cream

won the rcq at charlie’s with ensoul today!

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already saw these within like 1 scroll

gritty nest
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Is that

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A sock?

fallow citrus
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yeah

lusty trench
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Not the sock

fallow citrus
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the meme is just ridiculous tourney reports

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because of this stupid amalia win

gritty nest
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“Went 8-1 with mono green control” type remark

stark skiff
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any tips on what cards i could be missing from this build. Off the top I know Im missing Farewell and Jeska's Will and the 3 Surveil Lands but I just dont own those lol.

gritty nest
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[[Altair-Ibn]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
First strike
Whenever Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad attacks, exile up to one target Assassin creature card from your graveyard with a memory counter on it. Then for each creature card you own in exile with a memory counter on it, create a tapped and attacking token that's a copy of it. Exile those tokens at end of combat.
3/3

gritty nest
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I’m forgetting his name but the dude that makes all your stuff assassins?

stark skiff
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i was thinking about it but he has enough decent targets to bring back so i dont wanna rely on it being on the board plus i have to play protect the commander with this as is

gritty nest
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True, but he could be a target because then people would realize “oh shit your copying dockside every turn”

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Getting rid of the enabler would be better than getting rid of Altair

stark skiff
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just depends on your opponent tbh cause getting rid of altair gets rid of the token coming back anwyays lol

gritty nest
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How so?

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Even if he dies you just

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Re copy everything the next time he attacks

stark skiff
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yeah you need to recast and potentially wait a turn assuming no haste

gritty nest
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He doesn’t care that a specific copy of Altair exists, he only cares if it has a memory counter

gritty nest
stark skiff
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actually im curious on if you banish Roshan and he comes back as part of Altairs effect would you then be able to bring back lets said Dockside too? Just noticed Roshan changes Asssassins in exile too.

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gritty nest
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So

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It doesn’t matter once it’s exiled

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The second it’s got the exile and memory counter Altair will just copy it

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He only cares about assassins to exile

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If that makes sense

stark skiff
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oh thats right I forgot thats why I should play The Animus

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just gives memory counters to anything

gritty nest
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What colors is the card that tutors animus?

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Bant I think tbh

sudden lava
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Tomorrow is the day 😄

stark skiff
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theres a tutor for the animus?

gritty nest
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There’s a creature that ETB grabs animus

stark skiff
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you sure youre not thinking of the one that searches the artifact that makes serra ascendant lol

gritty nest
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[[Shaun & Rebecca, Agents]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Scientist
Vigilance
When Shaun & Rebecca, Agents enters the battlefield, search your graveyard, hand, and library for a card named The Animus and put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
manat: Add manac. When you do, mill two cards.
"Information is a weapon as potent as any Assassin's blade."
4/4

gritty nest
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No

stark skiff
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oh holy crap i forgot theyre even in this set lmao

gritty nest
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The issue is they aren’t in colors

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But it’s fine

stark skiff
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yeah that sucks

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but i do have some tutors

gritty nest
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It still would be good to add animus

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At that point

gritty nest
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[[the animus]]

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gritty nest
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You could totally run

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Busted legendaries

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And have Altair copy them

sudden lava
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I listened to the podcast about the bloomburrow lore

stark skiff
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oh dockside isnt legendary rip lol

sudden lava
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so freaking cute

gritty nest
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And run stuff like Entomb, Lively Dirge, and Buried Alive to throw them into the GY

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Also

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Altair is an attack trigger

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[[Ishin, two heavens]]

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stark skiff
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yeah hes in the list

gritty nest
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Ah I didn’t see him, sorry

stark skiff
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he would allow me to banish two assassins and make double the tokens right?

gritty nest
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I believe so, all that seems to be one effect

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Yes

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You’d get two exiles then two instances of making tokens

stark skiff
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oh nice thanks

trail anvil
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turbo fill that graveyard

stark skiff
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oh yeah i need to find him lol

trail anvil
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also idk how many non-assassins you want but I usually like stitcher's supplier for the same reason

gritty nest
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There’s like 4 cards that turn everything into assassins

trail anvil
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also 18 lands wow o_o

stark skiff
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will probably just be a bunch of basics

trail anvil
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oh lol was gonna say

gritty nest
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You make me want to build Altair now

trail anvil
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I mean shoot with a budget like yours you could do fetches + og dual lands too muugu

gritty nest
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My first Mardu commander was Caesar

stark skiff
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its a fun deck so many assassins that come in and just control the board