Been working on the Azlask deck. Got this as my list for now. Anything glaring I forgot to add or stuff yall would change?
#Magic the Gathering
stark skiff
broken fjord
Spreading plague is genuinely gross in eldrazi.
urban crane
Where’s the Ugins labyrinth?
trail anvil
man playing bank buster in standard brawl makes me miss it in standard so mujch
this thing fills curves so well and has a million purposes, I get that's why it died though lol
golden plover
That's a weird looking squirrel
sudden lava
That's a weird looking squirrel
She be a necromancer
stark skiff
Where’s the Ugins labyrinth?
Don’t have that many 7 drops in this deck to make it worth it
sudden lava
reminder what cards care about warlock specifically (other then outlaws)?
hidden ermine
Bird up
last glen
Why do they simply not maindeck Droll
pulsar talon
Daniel's list looks interesting
golden plover
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Oh he broke
sudden lava
Wait when is the debut video
Says July 9th 9 AM pacific time
but the video starts July 8th at nearly midnight?
gritty nest
You know if you scoop against Nadu you never technically lost against Nadu and they never truly got the satisfaction of winning
Thus making Nadu not good
pulsar talon
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he's fine on pc
glad peak
So instead of losing to nadu you just lost to the player with no actions making you a worse player than your opponent by default 
zinc shard
gritty nest
So instead of losing to nadu you just lost to the player with no actions making ...
You could alternatively use a shedder and shred the deck
lusty trench
Based
granite badge
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what is this
subtle sierra
prob nadu
twilit canyon
nadu
lusty trench
Nah I'd reveal the top card of my deck and if it's a land put it on the battlefield and if not put it into my hand
twilit canyon
emote art
stark skiff
Never knew Peer Pressure existed. Funny card for Omo.
lusty trench
Yoink tribal
sleek ferry
You let him draw both times and go from there
golden plover
gritty nest
[[peer pressure]]
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gritty nest
That’s hilarious
atomic harness
@sleek ferry looks like I might've overreacted about ruby storm, but yeah Nadu is tearing it up
energy also got bopped
twilit canyon
yeah ppl came in aggressively prepared for storm and energy
but not nearly as much for nadu
trail anvil
Never knew Peer Pressure existed. Funny card for Omo.
that sounds like it ends friendships
neo emrakul to 3 players at once is fucking genuinely revolting
sudden lava
golden plover
I'm so down for Ral to go murder Jace
The land cycle has been previewed
Cutest mechanic is "gift" I guess?
Also, murder getting powercrept to B?
twilit canyon
Also, murder getting powercrept to B?
2 probs
golden plover
Yeah forgot that murder was 1BB
glad peak
Tbh I don’t know why presidio isn’t getting more play, free sac outlet is good
I wish he were a common so we can see him in play with synthesizer
twilit canyon
in standard its the problem of sac decks not being that great
outside of that is the casting cost
sudden lava
btw I think I found the seedmiser teaser
Miser: a person who hoards wealth and spends as little money as possible.
Seeds are food
glad peak
Yeah Mardu seems pretty bad in standard and the synergy isn’t good enough
sudden lava
4 mana for a 4/3?
You mean 6/5?
golden plover
Oh it is a 6/5
Wow 4 mana for a 6/5 do nothing
Wait no
It's a 5/4
3 sacrifice triggers
golden plover
How will the game ever recover from being able to spend 4 mana and 2 cards for... Nothing?
This is like a combo id draft once, lose game anyways, and never do again
golden plover
Its not even [[Writhing Chrysalis]] good
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, create two 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this creature: Add 
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Reach
Whenever you sacrifice another Eldrazi, put a +1/+1 counter on Writhing Chrysalis.
2/3
modern minnow
~~Its not even [[Writhing Chrysalis]] good~~
||best card in mh3 kinda hard to beat||
sleek ferry
Yeah Mardu seems pretty bad in standard and the synergy isn’t good enough
Mardu is only playable as a control pile in standard tbh, rotation might make it more real, but I haven’t even thought about post rotation meta
twilit canyon
you lose emperor post rot
glad peak
More importantly for this very specific case, you lose synthesizer
Idk I just want to see if boros/Mardu bully can do things outside of pauper but I’m not seeing it
gritty nest
People already figured out a combo with this and presidio
What’s the combo?
gritty nest
It’ll be at most 4 1/1 counters right?
twilit canyon
okay sized guy
gritty nest
Unless I’m missing something
glad peak
4 mana and 2 cards for a 5/4 is not good
twilit canyon
no u arent missing anything
glad peak
4 mana and 1 card for 5/4 is meh even
sudden lava
It’ll be at most 4 1/1 counters right?
3 +1/+1 counters, cake and the 2 bunnies
sudden lava
and you get to scry 1 twice
gritty nest
But I keep thinking commander, this probably isn’t for commander
gritty nest
Fair
glad peak
I wish it was legal in pauper lol
twilit canyon
pauper maybe would be fine but even then
glad peak
The vampire with synthesizer would be so good
Well, decent
It would be an impulse draw 2
gritty nest
I’ve never played 60 card pauper, want to though
glad peak
You should, it’s a fun format
gritty nest
I’ve done pauper commander but yea
glad peak
Back when I left pauper it was affinity vs delver vs bully
gritty nest
Ah
glad peak
Right after the mono green vs tribe vs delver vs bully vs whatever I missed meta
sleek ferry
Oh yeah most of the good vampires are rotating out
Props to wotc because they knocked the vampire design out the park
sudden lava
I think I know what card this is referring to
glad peak
Since the game is so much slower a burst mana option isn’t as strong
gritty nest
Lotus petals aren’t really needed
I see. Where can I look up pauper meta?
twilit canyon
mtggoldfish has a good roundup
glad peak
Mtgtop8 works too
I mostly just just made a pauper battle box of that time period with 8 decks
glad peak
Mono red is very good yep
gritty nest
I’d probably do Grixis affinity
glad peak
Walls is very good too
I didn’t think dimir Control would stay good, I don’t think I’ll upgrade though
sudden lava
Predicting blue calamity beast to be a shark
glad peak
Since I made the battle box for the astrolabe meta
glad peak
Combo
gritty nest
I see
glad peak
Archaeomancer flicker loops, infinite mana, stuff like that
gritty nest
Grixis affinity looks like what, a burn deck essentially?
glad peak
Yeah there’s a reason why I want bully to be an archetype outside of pauper
gritty nest
Ngl I just want to fireball someone
sudden lava
I am so ready for this set
twilit canyon
grixis affinity is kinda
glad peak
Oh boy do I have a deck for you lmao
gritty nest
I almost built Cormela pauper EDH for fireball
gritty nest
Oh boy do I have a deck for you lmao
I don’t like the sound of this
sudden lava
OH wait what if the mouse rabbit is a jerboa?
glad peak
But paper and online win cons are different
gritty nest
Yea I’d be doing paper
golden plover
I wish it was legal in pauper lol
You can do infect kills in pauper for 5 mana
glad peak
Since invoker the are the best win cons online for clicking purposes but not strictly optimal iirc
golden plover
4 for a 5/4 is NOTHING
golden plover
But they don't wanna give us an unrestricted sacc outlet in the format
twilit canyon
[[sepulcur ghoul]]
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golden plover
He's once per turn
twilit canyon
once a turn fuck you
glad peak
The good ones we have are banned
golden plover
There's not currently an unrestricted sacc in pauper because they keep getting banned, yeah
glad peak
Rip atog 
gritty nest
The only card that comes to mind is ashnods altar but that’s banned from the sounds of it
glad peak
I miss our toothy boi
gritty nest
Rip
glad peak
Synthesizer to draw 2 and pump toothy would’ve been nice
twilit canyon
they died for the sins of affinity
glad peak
Alas not meant to be
gritty nest
Dumb question but what’s the win con of Caw-Gates?
twilit canyon
tbf, it has made pauper better
glad peak
Tons of mana
twilit canyon
Dumb question but what’s the win con of Caw-Gates?
turning sideways with your caws after grinding a game out
golden plover
They should give us Atog back. He's fair and safe and balanced
glad peak
And smack them over and over again
glad peak
[[guardian of the guildpact]] is unblockable and nearly unkillable
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golden plover
Atog would get banned again
gritty nest
Why use gates specifically?
golden plover
But it'd be a funny 3 weeks
glad peak
Astrolabe wasn’t really the issue with atog, atog itself was a menace lol
golden plover
Oh I'm aware Atog is the problem card
But it was kinda funny that astrolabe took the hit for a different card there
glad peak
Basilisk gate to pump and try to speed up the clock
golden plover
Although Astrolabe is probably too good for Pauper without Atog anyways
glad peak
Astro was way too good even without atog yep
golden plover
Not in the same shell, but pauper affinity is fine with it
There's probably other decks too
glad peak
Astro in bully 💀
golden plover
I mean, [[bonder's ornament]] is a mana rock that sometimes draws and that's too good for pauper
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Each player who controls a permanent named Bonder's Ornament draws a card.
"Found families deserve a family crest too." —Kinnan, bonder prodigy
glad peak
Affinity might be one of the decks that can’t really use it as well
gritty nest
Never mind I see why the gates are used I believe. Even though they enter tapped they’re basically modular tapped duals
glad peak
I don’t think it’s played much anymore but Mardu monarch (literally just bully with monarch stuff) was there too
Just tons of ways to draw free cards in aggro
I sort of miss bw pestilence, it was the deck that really used the guardian a lot
sudden lava
Anyone watch the lore episode yet?
glad peak
Mardu monarch right after mh2 was probably my favorite variant
Since you had the indestructible artifact lands you can use wildfire on
twilit canyon
ahh yes lol i remember
gritty nest
That sounds funny
gritty nest
I’m guessing they’ll never get banned?
glad peak
Probably not
gritty nest
I know the perfect thing to shake up the pauper format
golden plover
They've been discussed getting banned a lot tbh
glad peak
They’re tapped lands that make 2 cookies and just happen to be indestructible and artifacts
gritty nest
Make Nadu a common
gritty nest
I see
golden plover
Make Nadu a common
Make Nadu a basic type
He's a land bird now
And you can run 40 copies
golden plover
I was thinking he's a forest
gritty nest
I say plains because bant shenanigans
glad peak
The best way to spice up pauper is print blood moon into the format
gritty nest
Unless there’s not much good for bant nadu in pauper
glad peak
There’s not really a way to abuse nadu in pauper but there are repeatable ways to target that require some mana so that card advantage on its own could be a bit much
Def more abusable in other formats
gritty nest
Fair
golden plover
Oh the Mouse Rabbit is a team up card
They're probably the "10 card typal cycle"
And probably the signpost uncommons
trail anvil
ah finally, a threat to rival thalia and gitrog
that sounds like a fun way to do themes though
if they do split it like that then we can give ravnican guilds their official fursonas too
golden plover
Lmao true. Well we technically already know those
golden plover
if they do split it like that then we can give ravnican guilds their official fu...
From the reveal lands
The uncommon land cycle taps for your colors, but only for their types
trail anvil
domri as a raccoon makes sense to me (if he was still alive)
golden plover
Oh wait my bad
They always tap for a color and do something else based on type
Simic frogs, Orzhov bats, Gruul raccoons, Azorious birds, Izzet Otters, and Golgari squirrels are all p obvious
We've seen enough Viashino in Jund that Rakdos lizards isn't that surprising
Dimir rats is weird considering WOE, but not crazy weird
trail anvil
the way rats are portrayed in fairy tales it makes sense
mice for boros = swarming?
selesnya for rabbits makes the most sense by far
golden plover
Yeah for sure
golden plover
mice for boros = swarming?
We also have [[Mabel, Heir to]]
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Legendary Creature — Mouse Soldier
Other Mice you control get +1/+1.
When Mabel, Heir to Cragflame enters, create Cragflame, a legendary colorless Equipment artifact token with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has vigilance, trample, and haste" and equip 
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3/3
trail anvil
We also have [[Mabel, Heir to]]
now I'm curious what happens if you take someone born in bloomburrow off of bloomburrow, do they get a fleshsona or stay that way
fallow citrus
oh I do not like the word fleshsona
trail anvil
what, do you hate fleshies?
sudden lava
btw we may have just got a hint at what card Voxy is spoiling
she got the legendary weasel, has to be
fallow citrus
Twitter
sudden lava
Oh impending is timecounters? 😮 just realized
hopefully there is some good ones in jeskai
golden plover
Holy shit MTG brought out QCRs
So the the Japanese showcase arts in Duskmorn are 1 PER COLLECTORS BOX
0 clue about the shatter foil ones
lusty trench
1 per collector box???
That's for a special treatment of the arts right not the regular non foil but still anime ones though right??
sudden lava
the special treatment
golden plover
That's for a special treatment of the arts right not the regular non foil but st...
That's for the anime arts
The anime special foils are likely gonna be prohibitively expensive then
For clarification
This is 1 per collector booster box
lusty trench
Oh so the bottom one is one per case?
trail anvil
didn't they do this with the ink styles in kamigawa or was that a different rate
also if it's just a special style, isn't this just something for whales to chase?
trail anvil
Oh impending is timecounters? 😮 just realized
if impending is time counters, what makes it different from suspend
golden plover
if impending is time counters, what makes it different from suspend
Impending starts on the field as an enchantment until all the corners come off
trail anvil
ah right
gritty nest
Time travel from doctor who enters the chat:
golden plover
Which means it has anti-synergy with the other time counter stuff, right?
lusty trench
Time travel from doctor who can remove counters
trail anvil
it shouldn't, unless it needs to tick up which would be very concerning if it did lol
lusty trench
Time counters generally can be added or removed as needed
golden plover
Oh wasn't sure if they had to be in exile for that
Oh also, noticed that one of the alt arts has a production error already
Tenacity (and I assume it's cycle) are rare
golden plover
Oh is it not?
lusty trench
They've done this before
golden plover
Oh right
I always forget it sometimes happens
Although I'm p sure the one from BRO was a print error
Since it wasn't a special treatment there. It was just her borderless
lusty trench
I think it's because the alts are the rare anime arts
So they're inflating the rarity to reflect that
golden plover
But yeah, I guess because the anime arts are 1 per box and they're different enough, it makes sense
OHH that's why the bird is a dragon
She's Kolgahan
So I guess dragons and stuff also get uwu-ified when they enter bloomburrow
sudden lava
they fixed the time on the preview video
golden plover
We know the typeline for one of the calamity beasts is "Dragon Bird"
sudden lava
used to say 11:55 PM the night before
trail anvil
honestly I don't even know which bird you're talking about
golden plover
Red one on the collector booster
It's our clearest pic of the bird so far
That's definitely Kolgahan
sudden lava
if impending is time counters, what makes it different from suspend
Impending is still casted immediately and enter the battlefield (So ETBs activate)
which still interacts with the Doctor Who jeskai stuff cuz time travel works on both permanents and suspended cards 
golden plover
The picture I posted above
!
sudden lava
its a new birb
lusty trench
Probably wanted a break from the dragon lords fighting and I don't blame her
golden plover
Yeah she's on vacation
lusty trench
Could be doing a joker from injustice moment wanted an easy win
twilit canyon
easy for kolaghan is harder for the average person cus she usually contends with other elders
lusty trench
Imagine her returning home after losing on bloomburrow "hi boss how did vacation go?" "I don't want to talk about it"
golden plover
Lmao she's totally gonna get her ass kicked by some random mice and have to go home
I wonder if, for some reason, the tarkir dragons are looking to conquer new planes?
twilit canyon
might just be the option is open for them
we know how bolas was
he wasnt unique in that aspect
ugin was
lusty trench
It's amazing how horrible of an idea it would be for them if that's the case, like if they accidentally ended up on let's say innistrad
twilit canyon
but imaigne being the absolute pinnacle of your species which is one thats literally more evolved and powerful than others
twilit canyon
It's amazing how horrible of an idea it would be for them if that's the case, li...
silumgar would farm innistrad current
lusty trench
True
twilit canyon
his mastery over necromancy outperforms the undead there and the only ones that can fully contend with him are dead or kinda gone
we dont know what sorin's up to rn
lusty trench
Brooding still probably
Realistically he's just one of those characters that'd solve problems if included
golden plover
I think the dragons are strong, but they'd lose to planes with good defenses and gods
twilit canyon
as long as the dragonlords dont try and invade some plane like ravnica
lusty trench
They'd lose to the capenna construction crew
twilit canyon
they probs do well
lusty trench
Oh I'd pay to see a niv mizzet Vs dragon lord beat down
twilit canyon
last time that happened niv actually died
who knows what happens now that hes guildpact
golden plover
They'd lose to the capenna construction crew
That was still ridiculously fucked up
I was thinking "no way Atraxa gets bodied by some random no names"
And then she AND Jhin do
golden plover
They should have at least been bodied by characters with names
Like if Henzie killed her, it would have been lame but whatever
lusty trench
want to be a multiversal threat
Strongest soldier dies to the beamtowns weakest
Love how they built up halo coming from capenna and then some construction guys handled it instead
golden plover
Smartest strategist in the multiverse
Killed by a random soldier dropping a pillar on him
lusty trench
But pope it was a really big pillar
golden plover
Love how they built up halo coming from capenna and then some construction guys ...
The halo thing didn't matter, huh?
Like it helped reverse phyresis in the two people they had to actually cure
But it didn't matter plot wise
golden plover
But pope it was a really big pillar
Should've imagined it was smaller so he could survive
lusty trench
With that intelligence scaling I can now 100% say Jace mind nukes Jinny with a bingus gif and he dies
Just hits em with one of these
lusty trench
I'm surprised how little they're doing with baby Yoda
golden plover
Gotta wait until the middle of the story arc for marketable plushies
trail anvil
They should have at least been bodied by characters with names
aren't the beamtown bullies legendary too tho lol
golden plover
Oh I forgot they were
They have no lore and we don't even know any of their names lmao
trail anvil
they killed atraxa by reviving that creature that makes every opponent search their library for a creature 
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Legendary Creature — Devil Rogue
Each creature spell you cast with mana value 4 or greater has blitz. The blitz cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may choose to cast that spell for its blitz cost. If you do, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
Blitz costs you pay cost 
less for each time you've cast your commander from the command zone this game.
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trail anvil
[[beamtown bullies]]
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Legendary Creature — Ogre Devil Warrior
Vigilance, haste
: Target opponent whose turn it is puts target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under their control. It gains haste. Goad it. At the beginning of the next end step, exile it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
4/4
trail anvil
well the jund deck is the lore you're looking for ig lol
I really need to try henzie, people keep saying he's fun
trail anvil
with the fattest fuckin creatures you can think of
golden plover
But yeah, Jhin still got bodied by a literally unnamed soldier
trail anvil
archon of cruelty et al
golden plover
Atraxa, who is supposed to be the strongest phyrexian still got bodied by basically nobodies
trail anvil
do you typically play bo1? cause I haven't seen her there ever since esper legends fell a bit
but boros humans are on the rise afaik
sleek ferry
I'm playing bo1 right now since season reset yeah
I usually do bo1 till late plat/diamond then switch back to bo3 for the mythic grind
trail anvil
makes sense, what deck/s are you running?
sleek ferry
Rakdos Anvil and naya legendary (which basically just tries to abuse annie joins up for double triggers)
golden plover
So while MH3 is better than 1-2, it's showing that the egregious cards are just as bad ngl
[[Psychic Frog]] is now one of the best creatures in Legacy and Vintage
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twilit canyon
counterpoint: legacy and vintage are ruined formats now anyways
twilit canyon
it isnt
frog has some big detriments to it
i think nadu and phlage are better than frog
golden plover
Frog is seeing a TON of legacy play already
twilit canyon
yeah and its a card that is absolutely a bit overplayed rn but it makes sense since it slots into the best deck
which has ruined legacy
golden plover
Yeah, apparently Grief is also a huge issue in Legacy still too
twilit canyon
meh
grief's biggest issue is that the card is fucking ass
at times, op
other times, the worst card between both decks in the match
golden plover
Legacy Dimir/Grixis has so many tools that makes it hard to beat rn from what I've seen
twilit canyon
thats not the issue
the issue is that sometimes, your grief scam only puts you behind about 3 turns and your opponent is instead ahead 3 turns
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Artifact — Vehicle
Reckoner Bankbuster enters the battlefield with three charge counters on it.
, , Remove a charge counter from Reckoner Bankbuster: Draw a card. Then if there are no charge counters on Reckoner Bankbuster, create a Treasure token and a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This creature crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 3
4/4
twilit canyon
[[mazemind tome]]
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Artifact
, Put a page counter on Mazemind Tome: Scry 1.
, , Put a page counter on Mazemind Tome: Draw a card.
When there are four or more page counters on Mazemind Tome, exile it. If you do, you gain 4 life.
lusty trench
No I mean like you can't let your opponent draw 2 off it
Especially in a format with expel the unworthy
twilit canyon
?
argent dais is exiliing disposable garbage of yours to draw 2 cards
like think the furnace in that same set
that gets oil counters and then makes a token that dies after combat
thats what the intent is
lusty trench
Whenever I see it played I've seen them use it on my stuff
lusty trench
Tbf it is my locals, I won that draft when I really shouldn't
I forced white green
I think I passed like 3 chrysalis
glad peak
Has anyone tried the fan format primordial?
I sort of want to try it since I have a bunch of cards from drafting and it’s just like playing draft decks but idk how cross set play is for most sets
twilit canyon
nope i hadnt tried it
but ik like a few at my current locals who had in the past
cant ask them rn tho im on vacation till september
glad peak
I know for a while there was a oko problem but it looks like more recent sets and more experimentation pushed oko/eldraine out
waxen timber
Yeah, apparently Grief is also a huge issue in Legacy still too
Reanimate is the issue tbh. But, it will never get hit cause of how iconic it is
copper pecan
if colossal dreadmaw isn't in foundation i will legit be disappointed
golden plover
Damn, this feels... underwhelming
Looks like our blue calamity beast "The Flood Gar"
lusty trench
INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR
glad peak
Has the “until next turn” clause so might be fine
golden plover
True. I guess floor is a 5/5 trample for 4 that sometimes draws cards
golden plover
He might be standard playable ig
But RRGG is hard to splash
Honestly tho, I do wish more cards were hard to splash
Sheoldred should have been 1BBB or even BBBB
lusty trench
He might be standard playable ig
Doesn't look it to me
golden plover
I'm betting not, but I can't see him being anywhere else
But yeah, more restrictive mana costs would be a good change
There's too much good color fixing and not enough restrictions to prevent you playing other colors easily
lusty trench
I think an easy way to see if the badger is playable is looking at the karlov mole
They do different things sure but to get value out of the badger you're putting entirely too much mana into it
Meanwhile the mole is just uber pushed and still doesn't see play
golden plover
Yeah true. Forgot that [[Anzharg]] is unplayable
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golden plover
[[The Quake Mole]]
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Legendary Creature — Mole God
Whenever Anzrag, the Quake-Mole becomes blocked, untap each creature you control. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
: Anzrag must be blocked each combat this turn if able.
His claws tear at the foundations of civilization.
8/4
golden plover
Anzrag also has a less restrictive mana cost
But he doesn't immediately impact the board
sudden lava
https://preview.redd.it/aw7zteo8jbad1.png?auto=webp&s=fa57b6709b15d365dde413a450...
wait whats the source for this
golden plover
Story article
sudden lava
ah
trail anvil
I imagine someone is gonna try to use him as a commander cause he has advantage stapled to him
I love his name though
I'm sure he fits right in [[rosheen, roaring prophet]]
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When Rosheen, Roaring Prophet enters the battlefield, mill six cards. You may put a card with 
in its mana cost from among them into your hand.
: Reveal any number of cards with in their mana cost in your hand. Add for each card revealed this way. Spend this mana only on costs that contain .
4/4
sudden lava
The Flood Gar has to be what gives flood counters from the teaser 😮
glad peak
Actually yeah hugs makes it so you just really need Ramp and nothing else in the deck
I don’t think it’s good enough but there’s certainly a thing there
zinc shard
sleek ferry
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this could have been so good if it was at least 2 less color pips and xx instead
twilit canyon
xx would still be pretty ass
trail anvil
xx scales horrendously
twilit canyon
tbhf x ggrr also scales awful
sleek ferry
xxgr as a 2/2 or 2/3 would still be 2 mana ramp
xggrr makes it pretty much unplayable
trail anvil
tbhf x ggrr also scales awful
well it scales fine, it starts out awful lol
gritty nest
I think the only upside to it is the fact you can make x 0 and just get a 4 mana body that gives an extra land. Idk how well that translates in 60 card though
But from the sounds of it, shit
trail anvil
there are much better things to pour your mana into but it's fun
granite badge
4 for 5/5 with upside isn't too bad no? Especially with the amount of mana fixing in standard
trail anvil
oh it's each turn hot damn
granite badge
Also relavent keyword in trample
trail anvil
4 for 5/5 with upside isn't too bad no? Especially with the amount of mana fixin...
wait you just do play this as a 5/5 with an upside and trample, this thing is a lot better if you look at it that way
granite badge
Harder to chump
twilit canyon
4 for 5/5 with upside isn't too bad no? Especially with the amount of mana fixin...
its not ideal
twilit canyon
wait you just do play this as a 5/5 with an upside and trample, this thing is a ...
4 mana 5/5 trample isnt where u wanna be in standard
trail anvil
maybe not in standard, but I can see running this as a commander, dropping it on 4 and watching people ignore it then playing it lategame for advantage when it does get removed
twilit canyon
thats not even it
its an issue with playing 4 mana cards. removal is too good
in commander eh i guess
trail anvil
I don't think it's any kind of best in slot but it's fun
twilit canyon
tho i argue if our mark for a card is "fine in commander" then sure
but i think being fine in commander is like being a cis straight man
the norm
gritty nest
Well then
copper pecan
i feel like most cards actually aren't fine in commander
gritty nest
Gruul Voltron in commander is what I immediately see if it was a commander
twilit canyon
i disagree i think a card being fine in commander is the most likely scenario for cards printed nowdays
and thats most definitely the intent given its the biggest format
its rare that cards dont work in commander in some ways
gritty nest
Either way, I believe everyone was talking about its viability in 60 card at first
twilit canyon
it shifted to commander
gritty nest
Ah
golden plover
In 60 card? I can't see it getting played
In commander? It's probably decent
twilit canyon
we saw with anzrag that stats dont matter. if a 4 mana 2rg 8/4 wont see any play, a 4 mana 5/5 wont either
and u ask, will u play a 5 mana 5/5 draw 1?
trail anvil
in 60 card, turn 4 seems a bit late for an extra land effect to me
trail anvil
I feel like 90% of the time I don't even have a land in hand by that turn lol
twilit canyon
need more lands smh
trail anvil
but why play lands when I can just keep my curve under 4 mana instead
twilit canyon
so u can play multiple 2 and 3 mana spells at once
trail anvil
what really sucks to me is this standard is gonna be faster than usual cause of the way rotation is done so I really don't see this showing up
that's one the 1 mana spells are for silly
twilit canyon
ultimately yeah and a big reason otj kinda flopped
it did fuck and all for introducing significant new cards to standard
outside of the reprints
twilit canyon
you drop this for 4 mana, your opponent kills it immediately, untaps, plays a land, casts sheoldred -> holds up more interaction
trail anvil
I really wanted dust animus to be good 
sleek ferry
even anzrag is a better 4 drop than this tbh
trail anvil
the funny thing is we did technically get a new meta deck out of otj, but only because of the big score lol
golden plover
I really wanted dust animus to be good <:pensivecowboybread:737367263635570688>
Same, I remember thinking that card read crazy
twilit canyon
[[dust animus]]
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Creature — Spirit
Flying
If you control five or more untapped lands, Dust Animus enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters and a lifelink counter on it.
Plot 
(You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
2/3
twilit canyon
i guess it blocks faerie mastermind
subtle tendon
I can’t actually tell how big this is. This looks like a regular sized crocodile lol
copper pecan
there are buildings for scale in the image
also remember everything is very small on this plane
so even if it is a regular sized crocodile it's still gigantic compared to everything else
subtle tendon
Oh I see, that’s sick then
last glen
I want to try building a crocodile deck
Are there any cards that benefit crocodiles
🐊 🐊
sleek ferry
No, but you could play a swamp for starters
last glen
I don't think so
golden plover
There are 34
2 of them are digital only
The only legendary is [[The Pride of Hull Clade]]
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Legendary Creature — Crocodile Elk Turtle
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the total toughness of creatures you control.
Defender
: Until end of turn, target creature you control gets +1/+0, gains "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw cards equal to its toughness," and can attack as though it didn't have defender.
2/15
golden plover
But about 50% of the gators are in black
bronze bronze
what are some cool aggro commanders
glad peak
Ragavan
trail anvil
anim pakal
lusty trench
If you feel like hating one person out of the game there's always old reliable
lusty trench
(she is insanely fun to flicker after blockers have been declared)
Hit for twenty at someone she hasn't chosen, they don't block they die
lusty trench
I decided to make a £20 budget commander deck
I decided on shirei because it’s easy
Hopefully it’s fun
trail anvil
if you like aristocrats it probably will be
in my experience that deck is a bit slow but you might have fun with it
sleek ferry
twilit canyon
jesus christ
trail anvil
damn that slaps
trail anvil
stark skiff
https://youtu.be/QDh71-mb8nw?si=ZqQ3TjPr9ExFDdJ1
Was interested in Altair so nice to see he had a good showing.
fallow citrus
Twitter
urban crane
Got this earlier today for really nice price
trail anvil
Got this earlier today for really nice price
enjoy, this deck is pretty fun if you like grind and removal
trail anvil
https://youtu.be/QDh71-mb8nw?si=ZqQ3TjPr9ExFDdJ1
man this game ended in the best way possible
golden plover
Do you think we'll get a Betrayal SL for Duskmorn?
sudden lava
Locals gave a free promo (cultivate) and 3 free tokens (I got 2 squirrels and the following treasure token)
dual sided, other side is a 1/1 human. I don't know what set
oh its the 2019 precons
sudden lava
better?
waxen timber
clean the camera
I think this is more a lighting issue
sleek ferry
No better feeling than out grinding Atraxa in the morning
golden plover
this bird is a dragon not from bloomburrow
I've literally been saying that since day 1
The bird is [[Dragonlord Kolgahan]]
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sudden lava
I've literally been saying that since day 1
yup
trail anvil
if it is kolaghan then it'd be color shifted really hard though, or break the pattern
golden plover
Could be a cycle of mono-color and ally color ones
lusty trench
I wouldn’t mind if she broke the pattern just to hit home she’s not from there
golden plover
Yeah, I'd be fine with her being the only off-color one
trail anvil
well foxes don't exist in the cycle to account for jace ig, but he also isn't a creature
golden plover
I think not every creature is restricted by the rules
Badgers aren't an entire color group, and Hugs is in raccoon colors
sleek ferry
yeah, it's the correct first ban imo
you kill saga being a tutor for shuko, add 1 extra mana to the combo, and you can reassess from there
fallow citrus
kill saga :(
atomic harness
kill saga :(
I'll be very sad if saga dies bc of stupid Nadu of all things
trail anvil
lmao what an image
twilit canyon
guess ral was otterly miffed
sudden lava
https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/cjwmjhd05m3h.webp
I love this art btw
gritty nest
Today has been a day to make me consider building cEDH
gritty nest
But at the same time, go for it
People
gritty nest
Well I got blasted for 39 life after getting my commander hit by reflector mage
Because I played [[Echoes of Eternity]]
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glad peak
Have you played in any cedh pods before?
gritty nest
Meanwhile there’s a Syr Konrad and Dogmeat on the table that’s a turn away from one shotting
glad peak
Oh oof
gritty nest
Have you played in any cedh pods before?
No, but I know the goal is to win, not petty bullshit
glad peak
Don’t worry, bad threat assessment is universal
gritty nest
I called him out on it because it’s not the first time tonight and I was already frustrated
Gave me the “what do you want me to do about it?” Look
be good at the game
glad peak
As I said, you’ll see something similar in cedh pods (albeit a bit less)
gritty nest
I get that, but at least the goal is to win asap/ stop others from winning asap
Not “let me target you because I feel hurt from last game”
glad peak
Sometimes more since there’s so much tension from the get go and people will try to use psychological manipulation on you like priority bullying and you have to eat a loss either way
gritty nest
I know how to tune out of that when playing comp, used to play yugioh comp
But I’m trying to chill with magic
glad peak
True but it leads to the opponent targeting a bad target on your side (in the case of something like chain of vapor) or them purposefully making a bad play (not countering a win condition) and making you waste resources
gritty nest
Fair
glad peak
Of course you should just let the initial person do what they want at that point then because you’d be losing regardless but that’s technically out of spite and that’s not great
gritty nest
Yep, I get what you mean
In the end it’s a game
I’ll be over it in a bit, just salty
Thanks for listening and letting me rant about it
glad peak
That being said, get into cedh, it’s a good experience and it’s good to see the extent of the commander format
Just temper some expectations since I’ve seen too many people get disappointed it’s not just optimal plays from everyone
rigid scarab
Ironically, cEDH for me acts like a break from casual edh
Sometimes it's nice to just chill and play your cards
gritty nest
I have no cEDH players nearby tbh, is my main issue. I could look into a webcam
rigid scarab
Just temper some expectations since I’ve seen too many people get disappointed i...
If you're looking at cEDH as a way to actually play competitive magic
idk what to say
glad peak
I don’t see cedh as a competitive format but too many people I know got caught in that trap
gritty nest
I see it more as like
You’re playing to win more so than dealing with petty drama shit from people who have their own version of the power scale
glad peak
Most people don’t take the games seriously and there aren’t grudges in almost every circumstance so it’s sort of like what edh was meant to be, just a fun thing you can play with friends and not be salty over petty stuff
gritty nest
Exactly
glad peak
Who knew removing the concept that divides players makes them like it more
But the downside is the card pool and strategy lists are pretty limited compared to what people call casual edh
gritty nest
Nadu is pretty much a cEDH level commander right?
glad peak
Nadu is great in cedh but jury’s still out on if it’s a Stella Lee situation or if it’s actually the best blue green commander
glad peak
Stella being that it crushed a bunch of tournaments/games when it first came out then fell off hard after a bit
glad peak
Actually I can’t remember why
It might have to do with how people learned what she did in more detail but she’s pretty face up
glad peak
The reason can literally be a simple as people learning they have to counter the win condition card
gritty nest
Like don’t get me wrong cEDH = solitaire combos but it’s very nondeterministic and solitaire
Unless my assumption is wrong
glad peak
Cedh is a lot more of positioning and resource gathering into a 2 step combo but yeah couple of decks do have nondeterministic combos, nadu being one of them
There’s a reason why kinnan is so strong and it’s not all the mana doubling
gritty nest
I see
Who could I build then that’s not as nondeterministic and probably like
$500~ max?
glad peak
Being able to play through interactions and grinding through games is sort of the best thing you can do rn
For $500 I don’t think there’s really anything optimal
glad peak
You can do yuriko or I guess ob nix? I don’t remember if ob was close
gritty nest
Ob nix? Which one?
gritty nest
Oh the aftermath one
lusty trench
How do you feel about stax?
gritty nest
Never really been a fan of stax on either end
glad peak
Oh yeah stax is probably within the budget
Jetmir hatebears (not stax but close enough for our definitions)
gritty nest
Hatebear?
glad peak
Stuff like thalia and collector ouphe
Cheap creatures that have some disruptive ability
The big problem is stax is that sometimes (maybe a lot of times) you won’t be interacting in the axis that your opponent combos on and you hand them the win
gritty nest
Ohh
glad peak
Also competitive time rules is bad for hard stax which isn’t probably not great but haven’t really explored that
gritty nest
So sorta tax effects
copper pecan
gritty nest
I love that
Is there a thing I can look into for cEDH stuff? Like decklists and/or commanders
glad peak
There’s the cedh top 8 site that logs cedh events
Oh it’s edhtop16.com
Cedh database has links to learn some decks but is dubious as a good source
glad peak
Honestly, YouTube
ComedIan and the play to win guys are pretty good for learning
ComedIan made a couple decks that are format staples now
gritty nest
Oh nice
I’ll look into it, how cookie cutter is cedh as a whole?
If that makes sense
Like how samey are decklists essentially
glad peak
There’s definitely some decks where the variation is only like 5 cards
I think blue farm is down to 4 card variations
But as a whole the format isn’t really solved so we don’t have the best answer
gritty nest
I see
If it helps, favorite colors are red white and blue
All my decks now tend to have either blue or white
glad peak
Red is the best color and blue is arguably also the best color so you’re in good hands
I’m not sure if there’s a deck in jeskai though
Ishai/jeska is probably the best?
Oh elsha of the infinite’s good
gritty nest
I would probably do izzet
glad peak
More colors is just so good
gritty nest
Is it? I figured less colors would be more optimal that isn’t mono colored
Like I know 4c thrasios tymna is good
sleek ferry
Magda is super cheap
And she’s probably high key the best mono color commander
At least the best one that gets results
glad peak
Tymna thrasios is decent but definitely hindered by not having red
sleek ferry
The other one
You do play brazen outlaw in the 99 though
Oh wait
It is brazen outlaw
What’s the thud er junction one called
glad peak
Oh yeah magda
Yeah that’s one that comes in and out of the meta and is great into stax
sleek ferry
Magda also plays uniquely compared to other decks
gritty nest
this magda is the commander?
rigid scarab
Yes
gritty nest
i see
gritty nest
Ishai/jeska is probably the best?
which jeska btw?
rigid scarab
The planeswalker
glad peak
The one with partner
gritty nest
thrice reborn
i was kinda looking at Najeela because turn sideways sounds funny
Also unrelated note but I got a bunch of cards today
rigid scarab
Isn't najeela your run of the mill combo deck
trail anvil
Tymna thrasios is decent but definitely hindered by not having red
would you say tymna kraum is possibly the best in cedh rn?
gritty nest
I figured it’s either combo, swing out on turn 5, or stax
rigid scarab
Najeela looks like combo to me
I can't name a good cEDH deck that gets that close to ooga booga turn sideways
trail anvil
idk about good but that's the premise behind slicer isn't it lol
rush him out and stack commander damage
gritty nest
Slicer? The transformer?
rigid scarab
I'm talking ooga booga like
trail anvil
he seems very one dimensional in that aspect though, the moment he dies you're kinda fucked
trail anvil
Slicer? The transformer?
yep
gritty nest
Ooga booga hoof swing
rigid scarab
Holy moly my creatures have a gazillion power and trample and flying
trail anvil
[[slicer, muscle for hire]]
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trail anvil
uh forgot his name
gritty nest
[[slicer, hired muscle]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Double strike, haste
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, you may have that player gain control of Slicer until end of turn. If you do, untap Slicer, goad it, and it can't be sacrificed this turn. If you don't, convert it.
3/4
Slicer, High-Speed Antagonist
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (As long as it's your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
First strike, haste
Whenever Slicer deals combat damage to a player, convert it at end of combat.
3/2
trail anvil
Holy moly my creatures have a gazillion power and trample and flying
isn't this just finale of devastation wins
but you usually do that through a combo too
rigid scarab
Don't people play finale as a second green sun's
gritty nest
Who do you think I should build Komi? If it helps RWU is my favorite colors
Not like Jeskai specifically
But like all my decks have one of the three at minimum
gritty nest
Something for cEDH that’s not as non deterministic as Nadu
I don’t mind solitaire but not Nadu level of solitaire non deterministic
pulsar talon
EMBRACE THE BIRDMAN
gritty nest
In my defense
trail anvil
I'd say most decks besides krark/sakashima are deterministic
rigid scarab
Uh
gritty nest
I was thinking of doing izzet
rigid scarab
I can be boring and say tymna kraum
trail anvil
if you wanna do izzet, maybe niv mizzet?
you do control into curiosity/the other card that's curiosity but it's got a different name
I've seen some crazy stacks with that deck cause he draws so much
gritty nest
Parun or firemind?
rigid scarab
Parun
trail anvil
parun
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rigid scarab
[[Niv Mizzet, the Firemind]]
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Legendary Creature — Dragon Wizard
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind deals 1 damage to any target.
: Draw a card.
As brilliant as a cut diamond, and with just as cruel an edge.
4/4
rigid scarab
[[Niv Mizzet, Parun]]
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rigid scarab
Yeah basically
gritty nest
I’m guessing what makes parun better despite having a somewhat more restrictive mana cost is the fact it straight up can’t be countered
And also a 1 card engine to trigger itself
trail anvil
and the fact that it supplies its own draw on a much better condition
rigid scarab
Also it draws whenever anyone plays an instant or sorcery
trail anvil
and trust me there are a ton in cedh
rigid scarab
Uncounterable is a nice touch but it's not the sole reason for its viability
gritty nest
I figured but figured it helps
I worded that poorly I feel
As in like yea it’s nice but still there’s a lot of interaction
trail anvil
I'm sure it helps a lot more in cedh
rigid scarab
Being 6cmc yeah
gritty nest
Yea
Sorry I’m just going on a semi upset decision making spree
I just want a strong deck for stomping stompers that isn’t Nadu, essentially. And I figured asking about cEDH would help with that decision
trail anvil
if you want to kill tables outside the scope of cedh my personal favorite is [[purphuros, god of the forge]]
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Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five, Purphoros isn't a creature.
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, Purphoros deals 2 damage to each opponent.
: Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
6/5
trail anvil
he himself is extremely resilient to removal and you burn out the table super quickly
gritty nest
Impact tremors in the command zone
trail anvil
ye he scales super hard with damage amplifiers too
gritty nest
What about [[Feather, the Redeemed]]?
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trail anvil
in 4 player whenever I've played vs feather I've been pretty underwhelmed by this honestly
gritty nest
Never used it because I just never got around to sleeving
I see
I figured it’s a better [[Zethi, Arcane Blademaster]]
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Multikicker 
When Zethi, Arcane Blademaster enters the battlefield, exile up to X target instant cards from your graveyard, where X is the number of times Zethi was kicked. Put a kick counter on each of them.
Whenever Zethi attacks, copy each exiled card you own with a kick counter on it. You may cast the copies.
3/3
trail anvil
I've never actually played with/vs zethi myself but she seems similar ig
trail anvil
having access to counterspells through blue sounds like a different strength
and copying spells like swords or path
gritty nest
Your interaction is limited to only her declaration of attack
Because she exiles all the cards and casts them then and there
Otherwise the copies just do nothing
You have to pay the mana to cast all of them too
She was very slow from my experience
If you want I can send you the decklist I had to see what you think
trail anvil
appreciated but I think I can gather how to build her
gritty nest
Understandable
trail anvil
well at least I would build her as a hybrid control/voltron deck which sounds like an interesting niche
gritty nest
That’s exactly what I did
trail anvil
whereas feather just seems like voltron with value to me
gritty nest
The issue I have is you can’t recur the counterspells with her because of the issue I mentioned
Unless there was cards I’m missing for repeated recursion
trail anvil
tbh I'd want to use free counterspells with her, as much as that might draw some ire in some pods
gritty nest
I mean
It’s better than nothing
What works works
I built the deck for like $200 max at the time
trail anvil
I need to try more voltron decks tbh
trail anvil
not usually, cause I tend to prefer my resources spread out in order to be removal resistant lol
closest thing I have played is arna kennerud who's voltron-ish, but she can make a ton of threats
gritty nest
Ah
I’m looking at it, I might build Yuriko as a strong commander
Hard to remove
What do you think?
gritty nest
closest thing I have played is arna kennerud who's voltron-ish, but she can make...
Don’t think I’ve heard of it tbh
trail anvil
yuriko is my current favorite. she's basically tempo into a pact thoracle win
although you could in theory just play her as tempo burn
her gameplan is super simple, keep a 1 drop creature on your mulligan and 2 lands/mana to cast yuriko, then grind out with free counter and removal spells and yuriko advantage
gritty nest
i dont want to add thoracle pact and/or nashi/enter the infinite yet
you think it can be built pretty strong for under 500?
trail anvil
imo you don't necessarily need thoracle pact to hang at cedh tables just cause so many well built cedh decks torch their own life totals
and the ones that aren't well built probably give you more time to burn them out
so yeah I think you could do a decent one for under 500
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starting putting cards in, already broke budget
trail anvil
lol what does your list look like
afaik fast mana and tutors are usually the most expensive part
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lol
if you have ideas to swap stuff to lower the budget that would be awesome
@trail anvil sorry for ping but making sure you saw it
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yeah sorry I'm actually in the middle of a cedh game rn lol
how close are you to 500?
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nice
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i removed Force of Negation and Flusterstorm, because noncreature wincons are very rare at my scene
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https://www.moxfield.com/decks/u7DUUR_Lb0iL8RCITY23sw here's a $100 budget list to draw ideas from; probably not worth copying 1-to-1
wishclaw over demonic tutor might save a bit
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if you're playing within cedh specifically this card has been nuts for me btw