Magic the Gathering

[lusty trench]

I believe you’re right

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't think this works the way you think it does

[gritty nest]

Because you said only zur and tenacity lol

[golden plover]

You'd need something like exquisite blood

And you can also just leave Zur out if you're trying to do the Vito thing

[gritty nest]

Damage is life loss but loss of life is not always damage

[trail anvil]

this snake is just vito again

[golden plover]

It's Vito that turns itself into an enchant

[trail anvil]

and can't be run in the command zone or grant lifelink

[gritty nest]

It’s decent being a smaller mana cost

But that’s the only thing going for it imo

[sudden lava]

we already have the thing granting lifelink

[trail anvil]

well smaller than sanguine bond

[trail anvil]

I'm not talking about zur lol

[gritty nest]

Lifelink doesn’t trigger with the sanguine bond effect

[lusty trench]

Gonna be honest I’m enjoying this more light hearted approach magic is taking right now

A break from large interconnected arcs

[sudden lava]

it doesn't?

[gritty nest]

Damage is life loss

But an effect like sanguine bond isn’t damage

Its loss of life

It’s a difference

Lifelink only triggers if the card deals damage

[sudden lava]

so doesn't work alright

[gritty nest]

It can be combat or non combat damage (like Niv-Mizzet.) But stuff like Sanguine Bond/Mirkwood Bats isn’t damage

If that makes sense

[sudden lava]

yeah

[copper pecan]

damage causes loss of life

anything that does damage counts for exquisite blood, and anything that gains life counts for sanguine bond

[golden plover]

Wait you can do the exquisite blood combo with [[Dina, Soul Steeper]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper

Dina, Soul Steeper <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dryad Druid
Whenever you gain life, each opponent loses 1 life.
, Sacrifice another creature: Dina, Soul Steeper gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
1/3

[golden plover]

Yeah, no reason to run this over her if you're looking for ways to do the combo

[twilit canyon]

card goes infinite a million ways yes

it doesnt matter cus the card is dogshit

[gritty nest]

Guys we broke exquisite blood

[twilit canyon]

its always been the problem with exquisite blood and sanguine bond the cards themselves just suck

[golden plover]

Can't wait to break [[Opalescence]] with this too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/13/opalescence

Opalescence <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Each other non-Aura enchantment is a creature in addition to its other types and has base power and base toughness each equal to its mana value.

[sudden lava]

The wildly different set themes is kinda funny

we went from Super Smash Bros Ultimate cowboy edition, to Redwall, and then to Haunted Mansion

[gritty nest]

I’ve been thinking about trying to build a snow deck, issue is the fact snow sucks

[golden plover]

True. We need untapped snow duals

Not even shocks, just full untapped snow duals

[gritty nest]

They’ll never do that

[trail anvil]

that would be in conflict with the reserve list, it would be direct power creep

[fallow citrus]

simply just play amulet in your list

[gritty nest]

Unless they’re non typed, but even then that’s pushing it

[trail anvil]

tbh regardless of the reserve list you're power creeping the most powerful dual lands in history lol

[gritty nest]

We already have typed tapped snow duals

And a wubrg snow land I think

[trail anvil]

I'd fuck with snow lands that came in untapped if you controlled a nonland snow permanent tbh

[gritty nest]

^

That would be nice

But yea, I’m torn between Isu, Jorn, and Svella as snow commanders

But isu and Svella are basically stompy, Jorn is stax

[trail anvil]

jorn is stax? TIL

[gritty nest]

That’s what I was told

Probably because he can untap snow permanents

[copper pecan]

the original duals were already too strong, we don't need the same ones again but snow this time

[golden plover]

Fine, snow shocks

[copper pecan]

we already have regular shocks

snow should be a meaningful deckbuilding cost, not just something you can splash into everything

[glad peak]

Fine, snow checks

[golden plover]

Snow fetches

[trail anvil]

.

[gritty nest]

“But it’s not good enough for me to use in all my decks!”

[trail anvil]

that's not really an argument people make, unless they accuse everything of being commander support in which case they aren't really worth listening to

[gritty nest]

Surprise I’m actually listened to half the time then

I only play EDH tbh

[urban crane]

Wb Jeskai energy

[golden plover]

This is right move tbh. I'm just shitposting about violating the reserve list

I mean... When are we gonna get snow lotus

Snow Moxen

[sleek ferry]

This is just the # of people that brought Nadu to the event no?

[golden plover]

Yeah, but that's still 25 of the field

[sleek ferry]

We already knew a group of around 15-20 people that were all bringing Nadu (Mengu’s group)

What’s important is how many of them top/bubble

I also dk how true this is tbh. A lot of the pros I follow on twitter seemed pretty prepared for both ruby storm AND nadu

I still don’t expect to see more than 2 Nadu in top 8, if that

[twilit canyon]

u cant really prep for both too well

u need different hate pieces for both decks

prepping for nadu is knowing the lines but u cant really prepare for storm the same way

[golden plover]

I'm seeing [[Suncleanser]] in sides too apparently

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/39/suncleanser

Suncleanser <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
When Suncleanser enters the battlefield, choose one —
• Remove all counters from target creature. It can't have counters put on it for as long as Suncleanser remains on the battlefield.
• Target opponent loses all counters. That player can't get counters for as long as Suncleanser remains on the battlefield.
1/4

[twilit canyon]

its an overreacting side card

again, part of the reason i meant when ppl didnt truly prepare for nadu and storm well

[golden plover]

I mean, It doesn't die to bolt and completely kills the deck

[twilit canyon]

cleanser beats energy. sure.

but it does nothing vs nadu

or ruby

and boros energy can be outgrinded and beaten down

[golden plover]

Yeah, but sometimes there's always sides like that

[twilit canyon]

right so u can understand why ppl showed up with a ton of nadu and have a chance to do well

bc their opponents are caught with their pants down

[sleek ferry]

I think we’re going to see multiple Jeskai decks in top 8 tbh

[twilit canyon]

i agree

[trail anvil]

can y'all ping me when the stream starts tomorrow, I wanna see how the matches go down

[sleek ferry]

It’s 5am no?

[trail anvil]

rip is it

[sleek ferry]

I lied, it’s actually 2am for you

[sudden lava]

what time pacific?

[trail anvil]

2 am

[sudden lava]

yikes

guess Im not getting any sleep 😅

[fallow citrus]

https://x.com/callumsmithmtg/status/1806308589650194547?t=Sy8xZI0gCnWzBWMF6I7o3w&s=19

Callum Smith (@callumsmithmtg) on X

Legacy is home to some of the most powerful plays available in all of Magic: the Gathering

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 12:48 PM

[zinc shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/callumsmithmtg/status/1806309677594005745

[trail anvil]

that's more hilarious than attacking with a black lotus elk

[sleek ferry]

[[apostle’s blessing]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/8/apostles-blessing

Apostle's Blessing <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawp:292901508826005515>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Target artifact or creature you control gains protection from artifacts or from the color of your choice until end of turn.

[fallow citrus]

bro did not look up the text that was in the image

[sleek ferry]

I was trying to see the set smh

But I forgot the command

[fallow citrus]

😔 i also do not know the command

all is forgiven

[sleek ferry]

[gritty nest]

I’m excited for tomorrow. Get to play the Saheeli Huatli deck tomorrow

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

Phyrexian Mana cards my favorite

[sudden lava]

I picked up a foil Cloakwood Hermit and a regular Utopia Sprawl

[gritty nest]

Nice

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-eating-nom-nom-chewing-gif-15819070

One by one I gather the cards for my future squirrel deck

[gritty nest]

Good luck getting hermit and uh

Nest?

I heard they’re pricy now

[[deranged hermit]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/202/deranged-hermit

Deranged Hermit <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf
Echo (At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.)
When Deranged Hermit enters the battlefield, create four 1/1 green Squirrel creature tokens.
Squirrel creatures get +1/+1.
1/1

[sudden lava]

You know for sure hermit and nest are being reprinted

there isnt a whole lot of squirrel cards they can reprint, and they gotta fill the commander precon with something

[gritty nest]

[[Earthcraft]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/222/earthcraft

Earthcraft <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Tap an untapped creature you control: Untap target basic land.
"The land gives up little, but we are masters of persuasion." —Eladamri, Lord of Leaves

[gritty nest]

Idk

[sudden lava]

Also

Nest isn't expensive

[gritty nest]

My friend bought 2 cards for squirrels

[gritty nest]

One was hermit

I’m forgetting the other

It might actually be earthcraft

[[scurry oak]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/172/scurry-oak

Scurry Oak <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk
Evolve (Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Scurry Oak, you may create a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token.
1/2

[sudden lava]

get agent of the iron throne while it's still cheap

[gritty nest]

[[agent of the iron throne]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/107/agent-of-the-iron-throne

Agent of the Iron Throne <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever an artifact or creature you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, each opponent loses 1 life."
You give your clients what they want at a fair price. What happens after that is none of your concern.

[gritty nest]

Oh that’s good

I should get that for Sam and Frodo foods

[sudden lava]

"Stock up on tokens then spend them for army of squirrels"

ah and tokens are mainly which 2 types

biggest brain

[gritty nest]

~~enchantment ~~

[sudden lava]

(and the speculation we are getting partner legends only makes this better)

[gritty nest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zMA2Va5Wck6ZfbdH6RffYw

I just have to figure out what to cut for agent and maybe add abstruse appropriation

I kinda want to cut Sierra, and maybe Merry and Pippin

[golden plover]

They absolutely will not reprint Hermit in there

Hermit is a Commander Masters level print

[twilit canyon]

who cares ngl

reprints are 90% of the time gonna suck

[gritty nest]

Hermit is like $80 if that matters

[golden plover]

True

It's an $80 card

That's the reason

[gritty nest]

I know

[golden plover]

It's a chase mythic in something like Commander Masters

[gritty nest]

I’m not denying that

[gritty nest]

I was meaning towards this

[golden plover]

Nah I was mostly saying Summer is WRONG if she thinks WOTC will put it in a precon

[gritty nest]

Idk

They put a battle bond in a precon

The simic one

[golden plover]

What card

[gritty nest]

I forget its name

But it’s the green blue battle home land

It’s in the lotr Galadriel deck

[golden plover]

Yeah that land was like $6

There's a big difference between a $6 reprint and $80

[gritty nest]

Imo they should just mass reprint those fucking lands

Because there’s very few actual uses for it

Like I’ll agree maybe not every single precon

But at least more often in sets so they get devalued to hell and back

[golden plover]

They really should

But you know they won't

[gritty nest]

True

[golden plover]

But yeah, Hermit is not getting a reprint at all

[sudden lava]

I give it a VERY low chance of reprint

not counting on it at all

[golden plover]

I'd give it a 0% chance

Which is technically low

[gritty nest]

I give it a chance to have a print banned instead

[sudden lava]

0.1% at best

[golden plover]

They also have this backwards ass policy of "all commander decks have to be equal in card value, ignoring the secondary market"

Which stops reprints, because they don't want another Dockside situation

[sudden lava]

and the other hermit (background) also has no shot

[gritty nest]

You know they don’t follow that sometimes

[golden plover]

They don't

But they pretend to sometimes

[gritty nest]

I’ve seen some reprints that were imo geared for devaluing

[golden plover]

But they'd say "Oh we couldn't print Hermit because then we'd have to have equivalent value cards in all precons"

And then that'd have them acknowledge that all the precons have an $80 card or, instead just not print it

[gritty nest]

Can I get u h

[[Angus Mackenzie]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/141/angus-mackenzie

Angus Mackenzie <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
, : Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn. Activate only before the combat damage step.
"Battles no longer served a purpose in Karakas." —Angus Mackenzie, Diary
2/2

[gritty nest]

Thanks

[golden plover]

Technically it's equivalent value to Hermit

So fuck it

[gritty nest]

[[$angus Mackenzie]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/141/angus-mackenzie

Prices for Angus Mackenzie

Masters Edition III

0.15 TIX

Legends

$240.47 • €210.68

[gritty nest]

When you say equivalent in value

Do you mean like

“Playability”

[golden plover]

Yeah

They're both "playable" rares

[gritty nest]

I figured but wanted to be sure

[golden plover]

But again, will not be getting a reprint

[gritty nest]

I know angus will never get reprinted

[golden plover]

Oh Angus is RL yeah

[gritty nest]

Idk

I just know he’s ungodly expensive

So funny ask

You know what I would be happy seeing a precon about

Rakdos Minotaurs

One of my favorite decks I’ve ever built is [[Sethron, Hurloon General]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/25/sethron-hurloon-general

Sethron, Hurloon General <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Minotaur Warrior
Whenever Sethron, Hurloon General or another nontoken Minotaur enters the battlefield under your control, create a 2/3 red Minotaur creature token.
: Minotaurs you control get +1/+0 and gain menace and haste until end of turn. ( can be paid with either or .)
4/4

[gritty nest]

I made a custom of Sethron actually

One sec

[sudden lava]

figured what time stream is

[urban crane]

What are chances they reprint chatterfang?

[sudden lava]

decent chance

it's only like 11 dollars currently

[gritty nest]

if i have [[verdant sun's avatar]] and/or [[vaultborn tyrant]] enter the battlefield at the same time as another creature, does it see those other creatures enter and trigger? (like if I activate Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant's ability to put any number of creature cards from my hand onto the battlefield.)

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/262/verdant-suns-avatar

Verdant Sun's Avatar <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur Avatar
Whenever Verdant Sun's Avatar or another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
"Ixalli's fertile rays enliven us all. Each of us is a testament to the sun's strength and love." —Chitlati, Lightning Rider
5/5

https://scryfall.com/card/big/20/vaultborn-tyrant

Vaultborn Tyrant <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample
Whenever Vaultborn Tyrant or another creature with power 4 or greater enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 3 life and draw a card.
When Vaultborn Tyrant dies, if it's not a token, create a token that's a copy of it, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.
6/6

[trail anvil]

ye

[gritty nest]

i thought so but im gold fishing a deck at 5am because im tired but not tired enough to sleep

[trail anvil]

fug they're starting off with draft on the stream 😭

[gritty nest]

?

[trail anvil]

they're doing mh3 draft on the pro tour first

I wanted to watch constructed but I'm gonna have to watch vods

[trail anvil]

seeing their process is nice though

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRKHlLTaEAE4gL_?format=jpg&name=large

A whole lot is happening

but the leaks were real

[stark skiff]

whats archenemy cards

and meh Jump Scares being face-down mechanics is lame

[lusty trench]

Is that animatou?

[stark skiff]

hope the Red/Black commander is decent. tired of their being very few good ones

[golden plover]

ANIMATOU!!

Also, Jump Scare is Quandrix girl?

[lusty trench]

REST OF THE GAME?

Pretty lands

Ayo kill a creature and then take it for a turn for 3 mana

[golden plover]

For 3 MANA???

What the fuck

https://preview.redd.it/qkkgcoshua9d1.png?auto=webp&s=a5c053f49e8ffdc56bc4d7c0afda39ca4406c767

Wait what???

[sudden lava]

10 unique archenemy cards per deck, old format but new cards

[golden plover]

The wanderer was desparked on Kamigawa

[sudden lava]

btw

[golden plover]

How the fuck is she on Duskmorne

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRKJ1ILaAAAxliS?format=jpg&name=large

[lusty trench]

Omenpaths

[sudden lava]

Here's your 10 draft archetypes

[fallow citrus]

^

[sudden lava]

badger gang got nothing

[fallow citrus]

I was going to say it was a pretty big plot point lol

[sudden lava]

rat players enjoy your dimir rats

[stark skiff]

these lands are neat

[fallow citrus]

how fucking funny

that wizards made a card

about FOMO

you could not make this up as a joke

[stark skiff]

Ward dodging finally a thing

the Demon is pretty funny

and the Leyline is neat for lifegain decks

[lusty trench]

Archenemy is getting new schemes

[golden plover]

Toby's art feels... Super off

Like it's good art

But wow it does NOT look like an mtg card

https://preview.redd.it/ptsyo6fyua9d1.png?auto=webp&s=aff433295c0d7d91791a770be97a312eecba1747

[subtle sierra]

Uhh when nowhere to run enters what

[golden plover]

So does Tyvar holding a flashlight

[subtle sierra]

I assume field but idt that's the usual text

[golden plover]

This set looks like it's gonna have a lot of weird tonal stuff

I see they got rid of Nikko's stupid goatee tho

[golden plover]

"enters the battlefield" is being shortened to "enters"

[subtle sierra]

Damn

It's gy all over again

[sudden lava]

heres all your draft archetypes

[golden plover]

Weird to not make Rats Rakdos

Considering WOE will still be in standard

And Rakdos Rats was an archetype there

https://preview.redd.it/i6exxxt4xa9d1.png?auto=webp&s=246e430cfaf0cba4918662e4b7b3be7f9819dc0c

Please let this card be unplayable

This art is disgusting

[stark skiff]

what the

its actually pretty decent lol

[lusty trench]

No activation mana cost on the spider spawning is nice

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/usyo7dsyoa9d1.png?auto=webp&s=4155f98cfbfe3acca20ed1bec27b03c0aad4e96f

Core sets are back

But Foundations is in standard for 5 whole years

Set is legal until 2029

[sudden lava]

So like now I have to get one of the duskmourn precons

[golden plover]

Not sure why we've got "core sets but they rotate when wotc says they do" but it'll make standard rotation really confusing

[sudden lava]

or buy singles of the new schemes

[pulsar talon]

Isnt the whole point of core sets that they dont rotate?

What

[golden plover]

Not in MTG

Core sets rotated with the rest of their standard

[sudden lava]

Precon descriptions

QUICK! BEHIND YOU!—Invite the element of surprise with tricky instants and lay out mysterious face-down cards to keep ‘em guessing, then flip them over to spring your traps (Jumpscare)

DRAW YOUR POWER FROM DESTINY—Use fate-shifting powers to cast miracles and see a future where you’re the one winning the game (Miracle worker)

ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE—Become the House that always wins and dish out damage to all who enter your halls until you see your new tenants evicted . . . permanently (Endless Punishment)

DO WHAT IT TAKES TO SURVIVE—Send your cold dead cards into the graveyard, the return your heavy hitters from the great beyond and rise victorious! (Death Toll)

[granite badge]

I think a core set that doesn't rotate on paper is fine

Watch them try this once then never do it again though

[golden plover]

Lllanowar Elves and Wrath definitely shouldn't have been in it tho lmao

Lllanowar Elves is low-key meta defining in standard

[fallow citrus]

where's the card list for that

[golden plover]

So far they only showed Lllanowar, Wrath, Omniscience, and an anthem

My bad: [[Day of Judgement]] and not wrath

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/140/day-of-judgment

Day of Judgment <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures.
Clerics on both sides prayed for divine intervention to end the war. The gods didn't play favorites.

[golden plover]

And one new card

[sleek ferry]

This is a commander card no?

[sudden lava]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/evolving-archenemy

Archenemy new rules

[golden plover]

It's standard legal, but yeah probably

I can't see it being in anything else

[sudden lava]

No more bullying down 1 player in archenemy

Only need 10 to play, but you can run 10+

[lusty trench]

This keeping track of the counters is interesting to me

It's like skullbriar lite

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's not technically a rules change, but it's weird

Especially for a set designed to be low complexity for new players

Also "if you cast it" will trick up new players

Because if you cheat it in, you only get a 1/1

[lusty trench]

I'm not sure how the card has memory of it's counters considering it should be a new entity as it changes zones, like the intent is clear behind it but it feels off

There's probably some rules that make it clearer but it's odd

[golden plover]

Yeah, I think there's technically a way it works in the rules

But it's not a very clear card rules wise

Also, Aminatou is a weird pick as the miracle commander

I get it because her powers

But that's not really how she works

She wills things into existence by saying "Oh this is what will happen"

[lusty trench]

She's always been the miracle commander, it's odd but it's how she is

[golden plover]

Yeah

Tbf the issue is that it's hard to make a card of her work

Since lorewise she's RIDICULOUSLY strong

[lusty trench]

Honestly Jace might've been the better pick for that

The deck being his mind he sculpts to enact plans

[golden plover]

There's no reason she can't just will away whatever the big bad is at the time by saying "Oh Elesh Norn never existed"

I mean, she literally willed herself to have her spark

She didn't have a sparking moment

She just knew it was gonna happen and went "I've got a spark now"

The comics nerfed her and made it so she can only manipulate the wills of people, including herself

[lusty trench]

Yeah she just didn't want to wait for it

[golden plover]

But the comics aren't canon

And as of canon, she can just wish whatever she wants to happen into existence

[lusty trench]

She's also destined to end up in the meditation realm but I'm assuming she can just alter her fate to make that eventuality an eternity away

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't know how they can keep her around in the story at all

She's WAY too powerful

[lusty trench]

I think what helps is she doesn't really care

[golden plover]

Yeah true. She doesn't have stakes in anything because she's seen how everything plays out multiple thousands of times

[lusty trench]

Like imagine asking her to help "oh I've already seen you die 102,312 times, but I don't think any were at this moment in time, this will make it 102313"

[golden plover]

No way they despark her but I bet she is a creature card

But she kinda can't be desparked because she can just go "Oh I want my spark back"

[lusty trench]

Or foresee the rupture and make it ignore her

[golden plover]

I like the idea of her, but god she's hard to do justice in the story

Since she's literally a deus ex machina character

She can show up on Duskmorne, go "The House is fine guys" and it's over

[sudden lava]

so the third foil is courageous critter card

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_ghoPFjrw&ab_channel=Magic%3ATheGathering

[golden plover]

@twilit canyon screaming nemesis is insane for RDW/burn right?

It's a 3/3 for 3 that "can't be blocked"

And if they attempt to kill it, you bolt it yourself and they can't heal for the rest of the game

[rigid scarab]

Wandering Rescuer seems

Crazy?

Like this could put Mono W Humans back on the map in pioneer

[golden plover]

She seems good, but not like insane insane

[twilit canyon]

in standard its fine

[golden plover]

Niko was desparked

Kaito still has his

Also NIKKO STILL HAS THEIR STUPID FUCKING GOATEE

Please shave it god

[twilit canyon]

ngl emperor kinda doesnt look like emperor

she looks like some white woman cosplaying her

[[!the wandering emperor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/42/the-wandering-emperor

The Wandering Emperor

[twilit canyon]

[[!the eternal wanderer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/11/the-eternal-wanderer

The Eternal Wanderer

[golden plover]

That's the issue with too much art being shat out recently

Like none of the art is bad

But characters have been more and more off model lately

I mean, look at Niko on CoCo compared to Niko on their own card compared to OG Niko

There's no frame of reference so they've been drawn entirely different every time

[twilit canyon]

oh thats niko on coco

lmao

[golden plover]

Yeah, they're SUPER off model there lmao

Also, since horror tropes dictate it, who we betting dies?

I'd wager Zimone is safe since Return to Strixhaven next year

Unfortunately I think it's Niko

[twilit canyon]

its definitely niko right

they never managed to do anything w the character

[golden plover]

Niko is the safest "we killed a character for shock value" that doesn't have anyone too upset

[twilit canyon]

no one particularly cares for them

[golden plover]

It does sorta hit on bury your gays

But if they kill Tyvar or split the Kamigawa duo, people will be pissed

And Zimone has marketing armor

[twilit canyon]

maybe none named characters die

[golden plover]

I could see that too, but it'd be kinda weird for that to happen on the horror plane

[twilit canyon]

look

they didnt kill anyone really

during war of the spark

or march of the machines

whats a random horror plane going to do

[golden plover]

Killing Niko also fits the whole "fucking over white PWs for no reason" thing

Gideon, The Wanderer, forgetting about Basri

[sudden lava]

anyone notice this logo?

desparked planeswalker logo?

[golden plover]

That's been on cards since MOM

Desparked walkers have it

[sudden lava]

ah ok

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[golden plover]

Although it's fair you notice it now since every other desparked walker has a SHITLOAD of text lmao

They all have books lmao

[twilit canyon]

and yet they do fuck all

[sudden lava]

froggy boi is cute

[golden plover]

Lmao true

This is somehow the most playable desparked walker so far

And it's also the one with the least text

Tbf desparked walkers are a huge commander mistake design

[twilit canyon]

thats bc they know ppl like her

[golden plover]

They know walkers can't be commanders so they did the whole despark thing

But they still want people to know what these characters are and try and capture what they do

[twilit canyon]

tapped hexproof on flash convoke with a relevant body size in a meta where we are going wide for a few decks she'll probably see a bit of play

[golden plover]

So they try and fit a whole planeskwalker's worth of identity on a random legend

I kinda hope the desparked plot runs it's course soon, because honestly these characters are a lot cooler as planeswalkers

But again, I'm not a casual commander player, so I'm not the target audience for them

[twilit canyon]

they created their own problem w how many planeswalkers were being printed

[golden plover]

I mean, that wasn't really an issue. It only became one because walkers can't be commanders

[twilit canyon]

well no it was an issue for sure

walkers creeped removal

[golden plover]

And they wanted to market walkers the most, so when players see these cool characters and go "I can't use them in commander" they feel bad I guess?

So the solution is this random desparking plot that we don't have any real clues on yet

[twilit canyon]

low interactive element in the game so they rectified and thus removal became insane and the walkers printed then needed to produce more and more value

not being able to be used as commanders generally didnt help their case but

id be willing to be that most commander players didnt care that much

[golden plover]

Nah, it's very much something casual commander players didn't like. Hence the whole "Can be your commander" on a couple walkers

It's definitely a bit of both mechanically, but I'd wager with commander becoming the primary format, and walkers being the main marketing tools, they'd definitely want them to be desparked for that

Also, I'm still gonna be mad if Animatou is desparked

Doesn't make sense

[glad peak]

Eh with how oathbreaker panned and the “can be your commander” not really being used, I don’t think as many people cared as it seems

[golden plover]

Maro has mentioned wanting to use "can be your commander" more, but didn't want to print references to commander on cards that aren't explicitly designed around it

I guess that changed with AC tho

[golden plover]

Yup that's a furry artist alright

[last glen]

Oh so these cards are Pioneer legal

[golden plover]

Not Jace, no

That's the commander set symbol

[rich bronze]

Why was this guy the boogeyman?

Isn't he kinda slow?

Not familiar with magic but started seeing it in my feeds and was wondering since I just saw 3 loyalty

[twilit canyon]

boogeyman bc back then, ppl could only control one jace

and if a jace was in play, your opponent couldnt play their own

the control shell also was solid and miles ahead of other decks at the time

so he became attributed to being broken even tho nowdays we have way stronger planeswalkers

he doesnt even make my top 10 anymore

[rich bronze]

Was the -12 common

That seems like the main reason to play him besides the +0

[twilit canyon]

not really

[rich bronze]

Well, actually, the -1 is bigger my b

[twilit canyon]

but it came up

basically, it was a mix

jace's +2 could [[fateseal]] the game

[lost widget]

No card found for “fateseal”

[twilit canyon]

whatever the card was called

[[fate seal]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “fate seal”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

mfer

whatever its a blue card that does the same thing his +2 does

back then, card quality was so bad so topdecking a good card meant way more

[trail anvil]

man niko had literally one set with their spark lmao

[rich bronze]

Man I like MTG flavour so much

[twilit canyon]

so u often just lost if u didnt see your actual good cards and jace prevented ppl from drawing into it

[rich bronze]

"Oh this guy is so strong he basically rewires you"

[twilit canyon]

of course the 0 effect and -1 both helped jace a ton

[trail anvil]

I feel like they just threw darts at a board to see who kept their spark and all the characters they randomly assign to a set are just people randomly using omenpaths

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[rich bronze]

I hope Gwendolyn Di Corci gets her spark soon

I have not played a real mtg match

Is Gwen actually like

Known?

[golden plover]

Jace's real power was in that he always gave your opponent their worst draw

He's still definitely a very good card, but there's not as many shells that want him now

[golden plover]

This is wrong tho

"Planeswalker uniqueness" rule only applied to your walkers

You couldn't have 2 Jaces, but the opponent could also have a JTMS

[twilit canyon]

they changed the rule

at first, only one player could control a jace planewalker

thats why ppl played bad jace cus then your opponent couldnt cast jtms

[golden plover]

Ah, it changed twice then

Because the previous iteration was before Ixalan and was "you can only have 1 of each Planeswalker"

Ixalan dropped the rule entirely and just made all planeswalkers legends

[rich bronze]

[[Jace]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Jace”, can you be more specific?

[rich bronze]

[[Jace the]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Jace the”, can you be more specific?

[twilit canyon]

lol

[rich bronze]

[[Jace beleren]

[[Jace beleren]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/850/jace-beleren

Jace Beleren <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
+2: Each player draws a card.
−1: Target player draws a card.
−10: Target player mills twenty cards.
Loyalty: 3

[rich bronze]

Oh boy 20

Wait it was THAT specific you needed to not have the same person?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[rich bronze]

What if I don't know

That he is the same guy

[golden plover]

They have the same name

[twilit canyon]

so if you played jace beleren, you used to not be able to cast jace the mind sculptor

[rich bronze]

Maybe it's his twin

[[Liliana Voss]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/32/liliana-vess

Liliana Vess <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player discards a card.
−2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle and put that card on top.
−8: Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.
Loyalty: 5

[twilit canyon]

planeswalker - jace mentions all you need to know

[rich bronze]

Oh right it's at the bottom

[golden plover]

Even stuff like [[Professor Onyx]] has her real name on the typeline

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/83/professor-onyx

Professor Onyx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
+1: You lose 1 life. Look at the top three cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
−3: Each opponent sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures that player controls.
−8: Each opponent may discard a card. If they don't, they lose 3 life. Repeat this process six more times.
Loyalty: 5

[twilit canyon]

there is

an exception

[[the wandering emperor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/42/the-wandering-emperor

The Wandering Emperor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
Flash
As long as The Wandering Emperor entered the battlefield this turn, you may activate her loyalty abilities any time you could cast an instant.
+1: Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature. It gains first strike until end of turn.
−1: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with vigilance.
−2: Exile target tapped creature. You gain 2 life.
Loyalty: 3

[twilit canyon]

[[the eternal wanderer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/11/the-eternal-wanderer

The Eternal Wanderer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
No more than one creature can attack The Eternal Wanderer each combat.
+1: Exile up to one target artifact or creature. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of that player's next end step.
0: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with double strike.
−4: For each player, choose a creature that player controls. Each player sacrifices all creatures they control not chosen this way.
Loyalty: 5

[rich bronze]

I wish I could see the art

[golden plover]

Yeah, the wanderer just now got her first creature card, which gave her a typeline

[twilit canyon]

[[!wandering emperor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/42/the-wandering-emperor

The Wandering Emperor

[rich bronze]

What is her gimmick?

She travels?

[twilit canyon]

prior to losing her spark, she was unable to stay in one place

[trail anvil]

why do we still not have her name since she isn't as mysterious as before

[twilit canyon]

and shes the emperor of a whole plane

[golden plover]

The Emperor of Kamigawa also can't reveal their name to common folk

[twilit canyon]

so her name isnt publically available

[golden plover]

Dunno why we don't know it considering Kaito and Pearl Ears know it tho

[trail anvil]

that's certainly something

[twilit canyon]

its weird yeah

at this point we should all know it

not like its gonna matter too much i have

[golden plover]

I think it's probably just rule of cool

[twilit canyon]

a feeling shes about to be reduced to kaito girlfriend

bc why tf are they in duskmorne

[golden plover]

They probably made the first card around not revealing it and now they're just like "ehh it's not important"

[trail anvil]

why is anyone here in duskmourne

[rich bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/gyoubu-masataka-oniwa-sekiro-fromsoft-samurai-ninja-gif-18318551

[trail anvil]

I'm telling you, dart board and scooby doo universe

[golden plover]

Yeah, I think she's gonna start losing characterisation

[twilit canyon]

they arent even white they have no reason to walk into the haunted house

[rich bronze]

MY NAME IS GYOUBU-

[golden plover]

She already did in ONE

Also, the main crew is there to rescue Nashi

[rich bronze]

Out of context funnies

[golden plover]

Apparently he got kidnapped or something

But I dunno why the wanderer herself went to go find him

[rich bronze]

We should go back to alpha lore

[twilit canyon]

shes got a plane to run

[rich bronze]

Have Jace try to stop the timeline after being a Phyrexian idk

[golden plover]

She also doesn't really know Nashi?

[trail anvil]

okay sure, why are zimone and mx. goatee there

[golden plover]

Other than that one time she killed his mom

[twilit canyon]

she cut down his mom in front of him

ig

[trail anvil]

and the elf king

[golden plover]

Yeah but like that's it

Niko is there so we can have someone die for lore reasons

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/planeswalkers-guide-to-duskmourn

[twilit canyon]

we need a fred in the group so tyvar

[trail anvil]

niko better not be lol

[golden plover]

Niko can sacrifice themselves to save the rest and go "look it's scary" without a character people actually care about dying

Tyvar is there to be Fred for the scooby gang, yeah

And Zimone is the same way

[copper pecan]

wouldn't it make more sense to sacrifice the new guy for that

[golden plover]

She's Velma

[trail anvil]

killing off the first nb character that's entirely human does not sound good

in a side story

[golden plover]

Who?

[twilit canyon]

kaito

wait

yeah kaito

but kaito is popular

[golden plover]

Kaito would be the best kill for actual stakes

But Kaito is popular

So it's Niko

[copper pecan]

winter, the guy they're introducing in this set

[twilit canyon]

oh right

[gritty nest]

Walking dead meets scooby doo the plane

[golden plover]

Oh right

[twilit canyon]

nvm his name is winter hes fucking dead dead

[golden plover]

We can kill two and go "bigger stakes"

[twilit canyon]

niko and winter die tyvar can go "just like the snowy mountains of kaldheim" before revealing kaldheim 2

with god of war secret lairs and shit

i still dont understand why emperor lost her spark actually it was a big compelling part of her character

and its why i fear shes absolutely becoming just kaito gf

[trail anvil]

eh she did get a pretty cool card here

[twilit canyon]

its a cool card yea but

a big part of her whole story was she cant control her spark

now its gone so

whats her purpose? she can settle down with her dog and run her plane

her goal is accomplished

and kaito's too

[gritty nest]

True

[twilit canyon]

what else can they explore here for her? that she knew sarkhan? hes been mia and lost his spark too

[gritty nest]

She’s now generic samurai hunter/tracker

[twilit canyon]

asian femme fatale

the stern samurai stereotype

bundled into one

i dont trust wotc enough to get her characterization right going forward since they lost her best premise

[trail anvil]

yeah idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe it's supposed to be cathartic for her but they keep going

[gritty nest]

It would have been best to just to throw her back in Kamigawa and leave it there

[trail anvil]

btw on the spider doll card when you sacrifice it, it creates a spider for each counter on it period

[gritty nest]

Yea?

[trail anvil]

including +1 counters

[gritty nest]

True

[trail anvil]

get ready to see this in every game /s

[gritty nest]

I got my trade stuff ready for tonight. Getting rid of one of my secret lairs

[glad peak]

So Jace was good in that his +2 makes him pretty big and manipulates his opponent’s topdeck to try and remove counterplay but usually you only do this when you have the game on lock and you’re going for the -12 or another win condition

Back when 4 mana wasn’t a lot for a planeswalker

His 0 was the best use for him most times especially with fetchlands (in standard and legacy, he was a bit late for modern) since it’s a repeatable brainstorm if the opponent could not answer it

-1 wasn’t really used but could buy a turn or 2 since jace needed to be dealt with and -12 wasn’t used much but offers inevitably

Basically everything you wanted in control for a long time

[golden plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1806730321733296604

Lots of MH cards on here, surprised to see that Bowmasters isn't top 10

[twilit canyon]

phlage pull up

its time to dominate these greed piles

[sleek ferry]

Phlage is the goat

Bow down to your new ruler @atomic harness

[sleek ferry]

Literally new toy syndrome

You got to give it a good 3-4 months for things to even out

Like, I’m pretty sure Amulet Titan should be pretty solid still, but literally nobody is playing it

[twilit canyon]

titan nadu is actually the best nadu list

[sleek ferry]

I saw 4c Nadu get clapped on stream by living end earlier, literally the only match I’ve had a chance to watch all day

[twilit canyon]

lmao

[glad peak]

Damn, phlage is much much better than my friend expected, he took on a bunch of bets saying it was bad

Now owes me a bunch of mh3 packs

[trail anvil]

phlage my beloved

have all the bloomburrow cards been posted

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/alieldrazi/status/1806653832723607729?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

AliEldrazi (@AliEldrazi) on X

Lost to Invert Polarity where opponent wins the flip and stole my Emrakul and Ulamog. AMA #MCAmsterdam

Twitter · Jun 28, 2024, 11:40 AM

[twilit canyon]

id actually end it all if that happened to me

[lusty trench]

Adding on to the wanderer discussion, god damn did my meme get more stocks

[sudden lava]

we got very few bloomburrow stuff today, but I can post what we got today

[trail anvil]

we got a decent amount

[sudden lava]

yep that be all

[trail anvil]

we really did get more duskmourn cards for whatever reason but owell

[sudden lava]

spoiler season starts back up on July 9th for bloomburrow

[golden plover]

Lmao I forgot about your bit

[lusty trench]

They simply made her too strong to actually let her do anything

[golden plover]

Me with Aminatou

So glad they put them on the same plane

[trail anvil]

doing a miracle precon sounds interesting, it pairs well with her brainstorm-like effect

I wonder if they're gonna keep her as a planeswalker or despark her too I imagine she could just shift her fate on any future she lost her spark

[lusty trench]

Her last one was also miracle focused, but there weren't really a lot of good miracles

[trail anvil]

TIL

[golden plover]

She's desparked somehow

[lusty trench]

They probably canonized her nerfs

[golden plover]

True. That's the only way I can see them making her work tbh

Since it changed "she can manipulate reality as a whole" to "she can manipulate people's wills and what they want to do"

[lusty trench]

Her spark origin no longer makes sense

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/makememesnotwar/status/1806784599994810637?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jake Beardsley (@makememesnotwar) on X

Ruby Storm was not in fact the move lol. Off the train but will be back at some point. Nice to get to go back to being a casual for a little while tho

Twitter · Jun 28, 2024, 8:19 PM

[golden plover]

Me when I don't plan this out and now I've got continuity errors

Because if she can will her spark into existence, why can't she also will it to not go away

[golden plover]

Oh wait @lusty trench the Rakdos precon commander is the demon from the lore? He's not a main set card?

[lusty trench]

Oh is he? What's his name

[golden plover]

Valgavoth

He's the one mentioned in all the lore articles as the master of the house

Winter is also helming a precon

[subtle tendon]

this is the most tumblr plane ive ever read in my life

[golden plover]

Maybe they get a card in the main set too

Oh and Zimone

Yeah outside of Aminatou, all the precons are helmed by lore characters

[golden plover]

It's House of Leaves but less existential dread more slasher

[subtle tendon]

idk what that even is

but it reads like an oc plane

[copper pecan]

?

[golden plover]

I actually like it more than the one note planes we've been getting recently

"Detective Plane" and "Cowboy Plane"

[subtle tendon]

the art is hella sick for some of these though

[twilit canyon]

i love the ghost in the tv card

forgot the name of it

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1256380309134508113/image.png?ex=66808ed8&is=667f3d58&hm=6327c8b9274523448a099cc0b87dcaf0ceab8321a1b778bce47e701371a016de&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=793&height=454

[trail anvil]

omg the acorn jars

[golden plover]

[[Screaming Nemesis]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/348/screaming-nemesis

Screaming Nemesis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Spirit
Haste
Whenever Screaming Nemesis is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to any other target. If a player is dealt damage this way, they can't gain life for the rest of the game.
3/3

[golden plover]

This card is INSANE in RDW, right?

[twilit canyon]

this card is hot garbage

[golden plover]

It's a 3/3 unblockable

[twilit canyon]

but not the one i was thinking about

[golden plover]

They're gonna push you? Bolt it first

[twilit canyon]

its garbage

[golden plover]

Congrats you take the 3 and you're unable to get any life back

[twilit canyon]

you go down 2 cards

[golden plover]

Nah, not actually

[twilit canyon]

3 mana 3/3 haste "unblockable"

[golden plover]

Your bolt still connects

[twilit canyon]

yeah but who cares

[golden plover]

If they were gonna push it anyways, you can do some cool shit

[twilit canyon]

they cant gain life thats crazy

we had tech for that its roiling vortex

[golden plover]

It comes up

[twilit canyon]

and it didnt cost 3 mana

plays super ass too

[golden plover]

I mean Rampaging Ferocidon was a very strong card

And it didn't have haste and didn't shut them out of healing for the rest of the game

[twilit canyon]

ferocidon also pinged for every creature etb

ferocidon also disappeared with vortex

[golden plover]

Hell, fucking Tibalt saw standard play until vortex came out

[twilit canyon]

theres another huge problem with this card

[golden plover]

And Tibalt was only ran for the "Your opponents can't gain life"

[twilit canyon]

and thats the fact that shutting down the lifegain is conditional to you having this thing take damage and then having that damage shoot your opponent

outside of modern burn, your red damage spells are removal spells

you dont want to be using it on your own stuff

[golden plover]

I mean, if they block it, they're locked out of healing

[twilit canyon]

sure but if they are in a spot to block, they didnt care

[golden plover]

Hence why 3/3 for 3 with haste and unblockable is bare minimum a very strong card

[twilit canyon]

and its not

[golden plover]

It also moves the block damage to them, even if it trades poorly

[twilit canyon]

thats a mid rate

[golden plover]

If it's pinged for 13 off say a blasphemous act, they take all 13

[twilit canyon]

sure

but thats commander and if its casual sure this card is fine

[golden plover]

I think it's gonna play better than people are expecting

[twilit canyon]

nah

i think ppl are heavy overrating it

its not like this is the 1st time we have seen this effect either

[[stigma lasher]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eve/62/stigma-lasher

Stigma Lasher <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Shaman
Wither (This deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.)
Whenever Stigma Lasher deals damage to a player, that player can't gain life for the rest of the game.
The Extinguisher's curse lasted long after her departure.
2/2

[copper pecan]

how often is the stigma lasher effect even going to be relevant

[twilit canyon]

thats the thing

its not a big effect

[copper pecan]

it's not like there's tons of lifegain in standard

[golden plover]

Stigma Lasher saw standard play

[twilit canyon]

theres a lot of incidental life game

[twilit canyon]

yeah like over a decade ago

[golden plover]

And it wasn't hasty or above rate

[twilit canyon]

this is 2024

our 3 drops have ward and exile cards and become 2 for 1s to kill

heres my huge issue on the interaction of spending a bolt or in standard a lightning strike on your own creature in response to removal: why the hell did u even add it to your deck

i went on a rant about this on the mtg official discord bc this card is kinda hot trash and the rate on it isnt really exciting but neithe ris the effect

at best, you may play this vs amalia combo

maybe against modern's necrodominance deck

but by the time u can play this + shoot it with a bolt, they likely already won the game

so in modern, this has to be at minimum a 4 mana play

at that mana, you can play better hate cards

in pioneer/standard, this is a 5 mana play

thats painfully slow

especially when u look at other existing life hosing options like [[skullcrack]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/125/skullcrack

Skullcrack <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Players can't gain life this turn. Damage can't be prevented this turn. Skullcrack deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker.
The lawmage's argument was clever and well reasoned, but Blunk's response proved irrefutable.

[twilit canyon]

vortex

[trail anvil]

you mean the 4 mana one that doubles spells but kills you at 7 spells right

[twilit canyon]

i think so?

i just like the art

i gotta 2x check

[[cursed recording]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/131/cursed-recording

Cursed Recording <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a time counter on Cursed Recording. Then if there are seven or more time counters on it, remove those counters and it deals 20 damage to you.
: When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.

[twilit canyon]

yeah this one

[trail anvil]

I'm sure there are a ton of ways to avoid the downside like blinking it or just not casting enough spells

[twilit canyon]

win within 7 spells

or win with the trigger on the stack

its really not good but its pretty fun and the art's a banger

[golden plover]

Wait no there's no way card doesn't win you the Rakdos mirror in modern?

Turns off sheoldred

They die to their one ring

You ping it with your own bowmasters

[twilit canyon]

they turn you sideways faster

if they are at a point with shelly ring

and you were casting this

they are winning that game

[golden plover]

I mean, this would probably come between ring and Sheoldred

[twilit canyon]

also if they are playing necrodominance scam, its way too late

they already necro'd and soul spiked you for a billion

even if you shut life down after, they likely already went way over on life total before it can die

also will say while wanderer's new base art is great but inconsistent with her prior appearances, her alt arts are sick

and [[!doomsday excrutiator]] is

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/346/doomsday-excruciator

Doomsday Excruciator

[twilit canyon]

maybe top 10 mtg art?

honestly i kinda fw the art in this set a lot

shame about some of the inconsistencies

[sudden lava]

I bet it's a draw spell for squirrels

or, makes food tokens

[sudden lava]

days we will get BLB reveals

[gritty nest]

Hello

[gritty nest]

Is it wrong to pubstomp someone who’s pubstomping other players?

[trail anvil]

no lol

it's the most moral

[gritty nest]

I see

I felt bad because I was basically dominating the other 2 players after knocking out the pubstomper

[trail anvil]

yeah that's understandable

that's why I like group hug, usually 1-2 players are lagging behind and I can catch them up

[trail anvil]

did this dumb edit with the gay beacon they've got going on downtown

[gritty nest]

perfect

also

updated Yuma a lot, deck runs smoother now

[trail anvil]

nice

[zinc shard]

damn this was a rare?

[trail anvil]

I feel like for a double tutor makes sense

[gritty nest]

wait what happened?

[trail anvil]

someone left the game early cause they thought dual lands don't fit within the arbitrary power level scale 6-7

[gritty nest]

Ah

[atomic harness]

Sorry kid badlands is overpowered

[[badlands]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/291/badlands

Badlands

Land — Swamp Mountain
(: Add or .)

[copper pecan]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/1dr2n6j/fun_fact_duskmourn_is_the_only_plane_with_0/

based valgavoth?????

[granite badge]

[[Valgavoth]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Valgavoth”

[copper pecan]

valvagoth is the demon that put all of duskmourn into the house

[granite badge]

idgi

[lusty trench]

The entire plane is a house

You cannot be homeless

Because you are always in a home

[subtle sierra]

[glad peak]

I’m interested to see the outside of the house

[golden plover]

There is currently no outside

[glad peak]

Y e t

[golden plover]

Theady who's house it used to be thinks she's outside

So we might see that on cards she has

[glad peak]

It’s a shame we don’t get more sets in that plane because the concept’s interesting

[golden plover]

True. I'm sure they'll have the demon defeated in a set and the house will return to partially normal and we won't see the plane again for 5 years

And then next time we go they've added a campground outside so they can do Friday the 13th and Halloween

[sleek ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/live/1gXDVZfNxk4?si=_eoQOsmSsOnkg_wK

Nadu vs mardu energy

[urban crane]

Got some stuff

This was 2 collector 3 regular

[polar lake]

lmao fuck nadu jesus christ

[copper pecan]

thinking about how people were saying phlage wasn't good when it first got revealed

like

why did people think this recurring 6/6 with repeatable removal was bad

[glad peak]

Heard some stuff like “this is the worst Titan by far”

[copper pecan]

phlage is at least as good as kroxa

probably better

[glad peak]

Tbh I think he might be better than kroxa because white is just better than black in modern rn

[golden plover]

Nadu currently has a better WR at the PT than Hogaak did btw

[twilit canyon]

there are dissenters even now

[golden plover]

I mean, I remember here when it got revealed people were saying "it should have haste or something"

Phlage got severely underrated on reveal

Which is crazy to me, because I remember reading it and going "Jesus he's solid"

[twilit canyon]

i thought so too but it was def a case of having to actually play with the card. i expected it to be at least as decent as kroxa maybe worse.

hes 100% better

[golden plover]

Same with Nadu. Card was "oh he'll be annoying in the right commander shell"

[twilit canyon]

lowkey

[golden plover]

And now he's putting up Hogaak numbers

[twilit canyon]

lowkey

phlage is better than uro

[golden plover]

Phlage immediately impacts the board presence

It makes him the best one

[twilit canyon]

u can unban uro rn and phlage would put up more numbers in more decks

[golden plover]

Uro gives you advantage, but that doesn't immediately impact the game

Kroxa gives you the most marginal of the advantages

[twilit canyon]

i've outgrinded uro lists in timeless

[golden plover]

Phlage coming down is a tempo swing even if he doesn't escape

[twilit canyon]

with phlage

[golden plover]

If he sticks, he's VALUE city

[twilit canyon]

kroxa unfort suffers from discard being bad rn

[golden plover]

I still wanna see the Dimir one

I just dunno what they'd do for it

But yeah, looks like Phlage and Nadu are gonna be the problem cards for MH3

I wouldn't be surprised if both took hits

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt want either gone tbh

as good as they are, they have big weaknesses

its a ragavan case imo

very strong yeah

but beatable

it: phlage sucks vs volatile stormdrake

escape it and then they yoink it

thats a game losing situation

[golden plover]

I mean 1 PT isn't end of the world for either, but Hogaak only got 2 of them

[twilit canyon]

yeah the case with gaak was that even after the 1st pt, adjustments couldnt be made

[golden plover]

The first resulted in bridge from below dying for his crimes

Which is why my money is on "we banned Shuko! Problem solved"

[twilit canyon]

i believe nadu will eat a ban (i hope its thoracle even if its not the best version) and that they dont touch phlage

phlage got to run totally wild bc ppl went in fully expecting ruby storm and nadu

[golden plover]

I think they'll hit Shuko, Thoracle, and/or Puresteel and go "problem solved"

And then in a few months have to hit Nadu himself

[twilit canyon]

puresteel paladin? nah

[golden plover]

Puresteel is the perfect scapegoat card

[twilit canyon]

ideal case: they hit thoracle and shuko

nah. puresteel doesnt do shit

[golden plover]

Bant Nadu is playing it, it's "historically been a problem", doesn't do anything to the deck, and it isn't selling sets

It's the most incorrect hit

[twilit canyon]

it hasnt tho

it hasnt been a problem and wotc knows it bc of hammer time

[golden plover]

But it's also the "we did it" hit

Hence why "historically been a problem" was in quotes

[twilit canyon]

it wouldnt cus everyone would call that shit out immediately. wotc isnt that dumb. itll be shuko and thoracle

[golden plover]

Fair. I just think Puresteel is one of those scapegoat hits like Bridge was

[twilit canyon]

bridge had only ever caused problems before

even now it shouldnt be unbanned

[golden plover]

I mean, yeah. But it died for the wrong deck

Something also died for Astrolabe, but I can't remember the hit there

[twilit canyon]

p sure astrolabe died for astrolabe

[golden plover]

Yeah, but something else was hit first

[sleek ferry]

According to the cast, most lists aren’t even on thoracle, they described it as “training wheels” for the deck

[twilit canyon]

thats what i said

[golden plover]

I don't remember what the astrolabe deck was running

[twilit canyon]

it was uro

p sure ur conflating the uro labe ban together cus it allowed omnath to not get insta banned in modern

[golden plover]

Ah maybe. I don't remember what the deck looked like, but it did something before Uro came out

[glad peak]

Labe was great

4c blood moon pile was a thing because of astrolabe iirc and it wasn’t great because astrolabe existed

[gritty nest]

So I got rid of Nadu to get another deck

[sleek ferry]

Only mono black necro finished undefeated

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRNeOYhXEAEKInW?format=jpg&name=240x240

But all of them make good izzet players

[sleek ferry]

This list is based

Holy

[twilit canyon]

as time goes on, less and less marches are going to be played

but also yeah this list is so damn clean

[gritty nest]

Which do I use in Ulalek?

[trail anvil]

left, more blingy

[twilit canyon]

right. old border sucks shit

[granite badge]

word misty

[fallow citrus]

unword

I like it

it doesn't work with every card tho

[gritty nest]

I decided to use the modern frame one in Ulalek

I forgot about my all retro frame Breya deck

[granite badge]

Its always looked like ass imo, vastly prefer silver colored

[gritty nest]

The retro frame is going in there

Thank you guys

[sleek ferry]

The old border makes the foiling look nicer imo

In saying that I usually don’t enjoy the old border

But in foil it’s acceptable

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon https://x.com/gigliomtg/status/1807146088056406206?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Chris Giglio (@GiglioMTG) on X

Why is no one talking about Brian Boss's absolutley sick Pro Tour Top16 Prowess list? Assault Strobe, Scale Up, the only MH3 card being one copy of Legion Leadership?!

King shit.

Twitter · Jun 29, 2024, 8:16 PM

[twilit canyon]

prowess is slightly slept on rn

deck is gas

[sleek ferry]

Not only that, it’s also pretty damn cheap

My only question is, what do you side questing druid into? Midrange matchups?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

midrange

[sleek ferry]

[[snakeskin veil]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/181/snakeskin-veil

Snakeskin Veil <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It gains hexproof until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
Most travelers panic when they stumble upon the skin of a giant rattlewurm. Landry saw it as a gift.

[sleek ferry]

Why snakeskin veil over [[royal treatment]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/183/royal-treatment

Royal Treatment <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Target creature you control gains hexproof until end of turn. Create a Royal Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward .)
"Stay your blades, peasants."

[twilit canyon]

the permanent counter immediately can come up but these usually are super interchangable cards

[sleek ferry]

Makes sense, does the ward matter at all?

[twilit canyon]

not entirely

it can later

oh and being an additional token can cause some niche use cases like exiling the token

ie: an enemy has something that nukes mv 0

that suddenly becomes an option vs your deck its super niche

and again these are super small cases

[stark skiff]

[twilit canyon]

that board state is way more common for mtg

[atomic harness]

I'm surprised you're feeling a nadu ban misty what changed

[twilit canyon]

not nadu

the deck

[atomic harness]

ohh right. if its not thoracle what do you think itll be

bhuko?

[glad peak]

thoracle probably wont get hit, it's a brick in the deck

the deck doesn't need it to win but i guess you trade in a brick for another

shuko would be the most impactful

or saga i guess but that's more of a universal hit

[twilit canyon]

i would like thoracle gone

not bc of anything

but bc its annoying

the ban for the deck would be shuko

make the deck commit to puresteel paladin

[gritty nest]

Is lab maniac/wielder of mysteries not legal in modern?

[twilit canyon]

they both are

[gritty nest]

Oh

[glad peak]

They’re both legal but are either too expensive or too clunky to work

[gritty nest]

Ah fair

How fast is modern as a format?

[glad peak]

you can die between turns 2-55

usually 4-7

[gritty nest]

Ah