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#Magic the Gathering
trail anvil
what the heck is the flavor behind vehicles striking and giving you card advantage lol
lusty trench
...plundering a ship?
trail anvil
oh yeah lol
I forgot ships are vehicles too I just pictured someone running over a dude then jacking their wallet
lusty trench
Someone just doing a drive by on an off brand mountain bike
sudden lava
stream time
trail anvil
fml this guy actually looks like a really good grixis vehicle commander
gritty nest
I forgot ships are vehicles too I just pictured someone running over a dude then...
GTA moment
“GTA UB set confirmed” - my friend beside me
lusty trench
Bro can you ju- that’s enou- THATS ENOUGH JUMP CUTS
gritty nest
I don’t know that reference
lusty trench
Nah I’m just getting annoyed at the jump cuts in the video lmao
lusty trench
sudden lava
sudden lava
better screenshot of Edward
golden plover
Man the showcase style for this set is so bad
gritty nest
Dumb question, is it wrong to talk about deck techs that your friends used to various people?
golden plover
All the arts are boring and it looks like a short lived assassin's Creed TCG
gritty nest
It’s another mini set isn’t it, Mainly just precons and collectors boosters?
sudden lava
yes
gritty nest
Ah okay
gritty nest
Wait AC is modern legal?
sudden lava
yes
gritty nest
Well then
golden plover
For some reason
gritty nest
Makes no sense but okay
golden plover
I think the design process is that all the UB sets that aren't precons are now, for some reason
gritty nest
Idk
I just know the amount of sets is getting to be too much
Well it has been too much
lusty trench
Bruh one of the guys went “you’re talking too much”
sudden lava
sudden lava
they said he is a dad or something
copper pecan
there sure are a lot of 3-color guys wearing almost exactly the same outfits as one another in this set
lusty trench
“Hasn’t dealt damage yet” is that a new condition?
copper pecan
no, iirc one of the elder dragons from dominaria also does that
it's just not something they do very often
glad peak
Huh they’re all wearing the same thing, I wonder if they’re from the same time and place 
trail anvil
that's actually pretty fun flavor for a sneak attack
trail anvil
Dumb question, is it wrong to talk about deck techs that your friends used to va...
depends on how secret they wanted to keep it
sudden lava
Huh they’re all wearing the same thing, I wonder if they’re from the same time a...
or order
glad peak
When are we getting the card assassin’s creed, a 5 mana artifact that tutors assassins each turn for 5 mana
sudden lava
glad peak
sigh new cards for the morph cube here we go
gritty nest
depends on how secret they wanted to keep it
They played it every game and can also be found on edhrec in 5 minutes
sudden lava
Another Boros legend to add to the dumb "Miraculous" (Kassandra) theme deck I wanna make.
trail anvil
then no lol point out how everyone knows about it
gritty nest
It’s [[Halo Fountain]] in Kykar vehicles
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, Untap a tapped creature you control: Create a 1/1 green and white Citizen creature token.
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, , Untap fifteen tapped creatures you control: You win the game.
sudden lava
since that's gonna have all legendaries with legendary equipments
glad peak
I don’t see the need to hide tech cards when they’re that weak
lusty trench
god damn they really be talking huh
glad peak
Tbf the worst tech card I’ve seen my friend gloat about it HEX… OF ALL THINGS
gritty nest
[[Hex]]
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glad peak
I had to explain that he could not use it on a board with 4 opponent’s creatures and 2 of his without hitting his own creatures
stark skiff
no. is it spicy?
stark skiff
oh nice artwork on the lands
stark skiff
Man the showcase style for this set is so bad
yeah not a fan
glad peak
I’m pretty sure it’s all just huge beatsticks no one without a lot of removal or fast kills can fight through
sudden lava
Aya (I think thats how its spelled) wont be revealed on this stream, but they said she's in
lusty trench
lydia is an amazing card from a design standpoint
gritty nest
Amazing at being a bulk card
stark skiff
all of these reveals been yawn besides the scene made up of the lands
lusty trench
Edward conway is neat
sudden lava
glad peak
Lydia’s an amazing card from a design standpoint is correct, just look at that art
sudden lava
set is built with clusters of synergy
in casse breaker of chains here synergizing with Edward wasnt making that clear
yep print boros
lusty trench
SERIALISED SOCRATES
trail anvil
trying to think of which sagas red gets you over abzan
there and back and kumano faces kakkazan?
oh wait that 4 mana boros one
sudden lava
white relentless rat
golden plover
Good set for people who like seeing "human assassin" on every typeline
Wow that guy SUCKS
golden plover
I do appreciate they used his native American name over "Connor"
Also, he won't show up in gatherer
So you can rules shark lmao
lusty trench
Also, he won't show up in gatherer
Lord hope he has no niche issues
golden plover
Honestly I hope he does?
I want them to be forced to get gatherer working properly
+2 Mace was never gonna be viable in an event
Connor might
trail anvil
what the heck is this
the card is the same old "land that can also tap for any color for some reason" but what's the lore behind the actual place
sudden lava
golden plover
Wow Apple of Eden is way too fair
hidden ermine
Idk, if you can loop it you can leave your opponent with only the card they draw on their turn
golden plover
It's like maybe fine, but you very rarely will benefit from it enough
sudden lava
glad peak
wait, they get the cards back and they draw if you play a card from their hand?
trail anvil
idk makes sense to me
golden plover
They replace everything you're playing
trail anvil
reminds me of surgical extraction-like effects
golden plover
And if you can't use it that turn, they get it back
sudden lava
golden plover
If it drew them a new hand or didn't replace, I think I'd like it
glad peak
that's... a lot of ways to make sure who gets hit with this 4 mana artifact doesn't feel too bad to the point that it feels bad for the person playing it
lusty trench
It’s funny as a “I ran out of counter spells gimmie yours”
golden plover
Oh my God murder is gonna feel DOGSHIT to open in these
They're not draftable, it's Aftermath boosters, and it's fucking murder
Could they not have put it in the commander decks only?
trail anvil
I think in playing your opponent's deck typal it's decent
golden plover
Because that feels TERRIBLE to open lmao
Like at least with a new uncommon, it's a new uncommon
trail anvil
they're giving this set commander decks?
sudden lava
lusty trench
royal assassin in the year of our lord 2024
sudden lava
they're giving this set commander decks?
no
golden plover
they're giving this set commander decks?
It's modern pack and commander decks yeah
sudden lava
griswold thats wrong
lusty trench
It’s not getting decks
golden plover
>royal assassin in the year of our lord 2024
Oh my God they didn't DOWNSHIFT HIM
Oh is it not?
I thought it was
sudden lava
trail anvil
you don't have to ping me I'm present in chat
sudden lava
its getting a 60 vs 60 starter kit, and packs
lusty trench
Hey, that’s pretty good
golden plover
That's even wackier then
glad peak
eagle vision's pretty nice
golden plover
But yeah, imagine opening Murder and Royal Assassin in a pack
golden plover
I get that he was rare in DMR for draft sake
But Royal Assassin should have been uncommon considering this set is not draftable
sudden lava
lusty trench
THEY PUT MAGICAL HATS IN THE GAME
lusty trench
sudden lava
starter kit face reminder
lusty trench
I love magical hats
lusty trench
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golden plover
Wow that DaVinci SL is UNREADABLE
trail anvil
eh not really?
copper pecan
idk anything about assassin's creed, why is there a giant in it?
is norse mythology canon to assassin's creed?
golden plover
They're like alien gods or something stupid
lusty trench
is norse mythology canon to assassin's creed?
But yes
golden plover
assassin's creed lore went off the rails at some point
A bunch of mythologies are real now but all their gods are like secret aliens and the weapons and stuff are magical alien tech
They all individually came to earth to shape the planet and got involved in God wars and stuff
trail anvil
to think it started off as just a dude going back in time and killing people
golden plover
But no one ever left their own region, none of the gods know about each other
There's also like an ancient primordial evil that the weapons can summon
sudden lava
is norse mythology canon to assassin's creed?
I know there is a nordic assassins creed, so something like that
lusty trench
to think it started off as just a dude going back in time and killing people
Basically a couple had a liveable history machine and they needed a guy who had assassin lineage to live through their ancestors to learn how to beat the evil Templar cult
That’s how it started
golden plover
And like a stranger things upside down-esque mirror reality the templar company wants to open a portal to?
For some reason
In the first couple games, there was a bit of the alien stuff but it was "aliens accidentally left us one magic relic"
But now the plots of all the games are about the alien relics and stuff
And every character has like 5
copper pecan
very pretty
sudden lava
[[Coastal Piracy]]
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golden plover
This has gotta be the silliest art in the set lmao
Like this is just a dude
He's wearing VANS
sudden lava
is this how people felt watching the doctor who reveals as non fans?
fallow citrus
yeah but in ac he is also like.. the dude
lusty trench
Literally early 2010s Xbox 360 game covers
lusty trench
Birb
fallow citrus
the only historic matters birb I like is [[teshar]]
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fallow citrus
[[teshar. ancestor's apostle]]
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sudden lava
Teshar also revives Senu
golden plover
I remember wanting to try building Orzhov Teshar
But I couldn't make it work
[[Moira and Teshar]]
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golden plover
Like it's a few cards off being insane
sudden lava
lusty trench
Body generator, love those
stark skiff
starter kit face reminder
Eivor looks fun
last glen
Are these cards pioneer legal
gritty nest
Seeing these makes me want to build my own vehicle deck tbh
twilit canyon
seeing these cards after mh3 really makes me ask why this wasnt just a secret lair lol
golden plover
Because it's like 50 cards
Also packs means people will pull for Ezio ig?
The real question is why wasn't this like 3 commander decks
Why was it a set that goes to modern and not just a couple precons
gritty nest
Yes
stark skiff
i just think theres nothing particularly exciting about AC in card form
golden plover
I know the answer is money
But yeah, there's kinda nothing to write home about here
trail anvil
why is this a set that goes to modern is a very good question
golden plover
why is this a set that goes to modern is a very good question
The real answer is in case one ends up being Bowmasters level and a modern staple
Forces modern players to buy it if 1-2 of the cards are accidentally good
trail anvil
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I know we've said the "I play the hamburglar to counter your skibidi toilet" thing before but man
golden plover
Spice8Rack was on point when they talked about the game getting more and more fortniteified every year
This is definitely one of the most egregious of the crossovers too
Regular dude wearing vans looks super out of place
lusty trench
Fortnite was iffy but at least it was sci fi which has been done before
Not Fortnite fallout
golden plover
AC is also technically sci-fi, but outside of the modern games, you spend most of the time in real world settings
Yeah, Elder Scrolls would have been a much better fit
lusty trench
Skyrim would have fit better imo
They have a show to shill
gritty nest
golden plover
But consider that the fallout TV show and 76 updates were coming out
It's not a secret that all the UB stuff comes out around the same time as new stuff in their franchise for cross promo
gritty nest
Dumb question but do you guys think that grixis vehicle dude will be half decent?
golden plover
Lord of the Rings came out near the TV show
Fallout near the TV show
AC has the Japanese game coming
golden plover
Dr Who was a lot of promo for the new season and doctor
gritty nest
Wonder what that means then for final fantasy next year
golden plover
I'm sure there's others but I can't be assed to figure out what new Jurassic Park thing came out
golden plover
Wonder what that means then for final fantasy next year
Probably a lot of content from 7 remake and maybe 14 ig?
golden plover
Marvel is obviously gonna cross promo with whatever MCU shit is coming out
gritty nest
True
golden plover
But we never see the cross promo the other way around, which is weird
There's no Jace skin in AC Whatever or Fortnite
golden plover
See, I'd pay money to play as Ajani in Fortnite tho
gritty nest
I have my goku skin and that’s it lol
I never touched the game and was given that when I played it for like a week with my friends
gritty nest
What colors would be best for vehicles you guys think?
trail anvil
depends on what playstyle you wanna go with, afaik shorikai is one of the best?
trail anvil
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peak
man this dude actually looks like a fun commander too. his art doesn't seem out of place tho
was this one shared yet
reminds me of that hunting hound in lor @golden plover
golden plover
reminds me of that hunting hound in lor <@187296211814842370>
Oh true, that one Neeko card that sucks
I've been playing path lately, and I hate to say it, but the game was optimized for path
trail anvil
nah the noxus one that can't block, the 4/1
golden plover
PvP is DEAD DEAD
golden plover
nah the noxus one that can't block, the 4/1
Yeah it's a dog. Neeko can summon it and disguise as it
But yeah, turns out letting you out any 6+ cost card in your deck during deckbuilding kinda killed the game
That and making every deck a midrange hell
gritty nest
depends on what playstyle you wanna go with, afaik shorikai is one of the best?
Fair. I was thinking between doing Jeskai and just using Kykar like my friend did, or waiting until that new Grixis legendary comes out
golden plover
Shorakai is good for just pure value
gritty nest
True
trail anvil
kykar sounds kinda jank tbh
gritty nest
Doing grixis wouldn’t give me access to Shorikai but it would be different than Jeskai or Shorikai in what you use to an extent
And yea, my friend used token generators/doublers to build a board of tokens and used them to crew vehicles for further value
It’s also why they used halo fountain
sudden lava
was this one shared yet
it was
lusty trench
sudden lava
so about templar knight
this not only makes 1 "any number" card for every color
but
you gave thrumming stone a tutor from a relentless rat card
golden plover
Yeah but the card is dogshit
11 mana and 5 cards to tutor a legendary artifact is completely nothing
Is there a legendary artifact worth more than 11 mana?
[[Portal to Phyrexia]] is 9, right?
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golden plover
The only black border one is [[Cauldron of Eternity]]
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This spell costs 
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, , Pay 2 life: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
golden plover
And it reduces it's cost
I think your best target is probably [[Akroma's Memorial]]
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twilit canyon
its still pretty shit
golden plover
Yeah it's underwhelming no matter what
But like, there's at least a reason to play petitioners, rats, or shadowborn apostle
This is cute ig, but I don't wanna be paying 2 each for 5 3/1s that don't do anything until I've got 5 out
gritty nest
I think the only upside is the fact you don’t have to sacrifice them
I’m forgetting which one makes you sack like 7 of them to find any demon
golden plover
[[Shadowborn Apostle]]
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Creature — Human Cleric
A deck can have any number of cards named Shadowborn Apostle.
, Sacrifice six creatures named Shadowborn Apostle: Search your library for a Demon creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
1/1
gritty nest
Fair enough
sleek ferry
Anything modern playable revealed?
golden plover
If they had first strike maybe
golden plover
Anything modern playable revealed?
Probably not
lusty trench
They all seem overcosted
gritty nest
lusty trench
sudden lava
leak ^
stark skiff
yo thats nice
glad peak
Why do we need another mjolnir? We have toralf
stark skiff
rip Thor's hammer
fallow citrus
actually a cool card
hidden ermine
There's something funny about the lightning themed weapon having a mechanic that synergises pretty much only with blue and white cards
trail anvil
wait what do you mean boring design, that card's potentially hilarious
play [[sleep]] vs the go-wide deck then nuke the table lmao
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trail anvil
it is weird that it synergizes with azorius but hey damage goes with lightning 
trail anvil
oh man you ran into the elusive mill hater
golden plover
It's like 5 color eldrazi?
golden plover
Nope
pulsar talon
Hmmmmmmmmm
twilit canyon
if you can shuffle, you can play it
fallow citrus
[[barren glory]]
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fallow citrus
wait not this
twilit canyon
[[battle of wits]]
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copper pecan
battle of wits isn't in arena
trail anvil
do y'all think I should sell/trade my mh3 cards rn or wait?
I'm seeing ral spike with the recent monored storm deck especially
subtle tendon
Ok I won’t lie, this is hot as fuck
stark skiff
Ok I won’t lie, this is hot as fuck
Best part of this thing tbh
last glen
oh I think this is the deck that makes a big ass dog token or something
golden plover
They didn't get to do it
gritty nest
man that timey wimey precon is all value no pressure
I had fun playing it when I had it, but sold it tbh
trail anvil
how do you actually win with that deck, cause I don't think I've ever seen it in a winning position before lol
gritty nest
out value by telegraphing everything youre doing 5 turns ahead and manipulate time counters to blow up in one turn
and stacking up counters on [[Rose Tyler]] to start smacking people around
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gritty nest
the deck was pretty decent at it out the box but giving it a few other options/lowering the curve would make the deck silly imo
glad peak
Shao jun isn’t… awful
trail anvil
looks nice for any voltron in izzet
glad peak
Oh I was thinking more of orb stax
trail anvil
oh lmao yeah you definitely could
lusty trench
Happy this is getting constant reprints
golden plover
True, card was too expensive to be not great
glad peak
Yeah the card doesn’t really matter in modern
lusty trench
Probably just a cloaked individual
It's probably going on the idea that they could be anyone rather than them being a literal shape changer
urban crane
True, card was too expensive to be not great
Isn’t it pretty good?
golden plover
Ehh it's fine in like casual commander
But it's 3 mana to do nothing the turn it comes down
And it's either a little ramp or draw
lusty trench
3 mana
Issue is it can just get you killed in casual for such little advantage and in comp it's too slow
golden plover
Yeah pretty much
If you play it in casual you become the archenemy
If you play it in cedh you wasted a turn and are dead
twilit canyon
surely one of the ass creed cards will be good or interesting
twilit canyon
surely one of the ass creed cards will be good or interesting
urban crane
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Just the name alone makes it worth it
I can now let my opponents creatures be arrested by the irs
golden plover
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Oh wow it's worse Thalia
For the exact same mana cost as Thalia
golden plover
Also, seeing revolutionary war soldiers on a magic card feels... Wrong
urban crane
Just got wait till iron man or ca that wil feel so bad
twilit canyon
it would be really funny tho if they just didnt do anything fun for ass creed
spent all the good cards on mh3
golden plover
Honestly that's kinda what it's looking like
sudden lava
We'll get George Washington in the set probably
golden plover
It's okay, one of them will break Legacy
But the other 99 in the set will be unplayable
sudden lava
and kinda impossible to do assassins creed without real people, given it's historical fiction.
twilit canyon
99 unplayables for even standard would be insane
twilit canyon
surely one of the ass creed cards will be good or interesting
golden plover
Summer is also posting every single boring uncommon revealed
golden plover
Tbh this is an aftermath booster, there's literally no reason for these boring uncommon slots
twilit canyon
true
golden plover
Other than flavor for commander decks ig?
twilit canyon
meh
golden plover
But they could have just made the whole thing rares and made the flavor cards a little better
golden plover
First set to sell negative packs
Ehh that was MKM
*Second set this year to sell negative packs
twilit canyon
mkm sold bad but bad for a ravnica set is different
probably sold better than some shit set like og ixalan
or even a non-shit but not as iconic set like core sets
golden plover
I mean the real answer for first set to sell negative packs was Mercadian Masks and Original Kamigawa block
twilit canyon
idt we can count those
partly bc these are sets that would have sold a decent amount anyways bc of how old magic was
and another part bc the lack of widespread card discourse and rapid testing thanks to mtgo and mtga means ppl bought to test
golden plover
Yeah, but they both bombed compared to sets that came out before them
I'd wager Unfinity and MKM are probably the two worst selling recent sets
urban crane
I’m kinda hyped for bloomburrow now
golden plover
Can't wait for the furry set to save us
My friend's LGS is giving a discount to anyone who shows up to the pre-release in a fursuit and I'm kinda sad mine won't be ready by then
twilit canyon
i have a bad feeling about bloomburrow idk why
urban crane
My friend's LGS is giving a discount to anyone who shows up to the pre-release i...
Lmao love that
golden plover
i have a bad feeling about bloomburrow idk why
I'm willing to bet the set is very underpowered
But I think it'll probably be cute enough to do alright
sudden lava
Im just excited that otters and squirrels are getting support
lusty trench
I'd wager Unfinity and MKM are probably the two worst selling recent sets
Unfinity did a bounce back
Turns out high shock rates in cool AF art sells
granite badge
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Flavor on this is so bland it loops around to being funny
lusty trench
Actually interesting death touch commander?
golden plover
It's weird they're insisting on calling Connor by his Mohawk name now
Not a bad thing, but they very much did not call him by it at all in 3
lusty trench
Iirc it’s cause permissions for those names are rough
golden plover
Partially because they cast a Crow Native American to play the character so they pronunciation and stuff was different
I mean, if Ubisoft signed off they'd let him be called Connor, no?
It feels like Ubisoft wanting to retroactively say that they were more concerned with native issues than they were
twilit canyon
surely one of the ass creed cards will be good or interesting
golden plover
Considering one of the first cutscenes in the game has Connor introduce himself by his Mohawk name and a character says "you go by Connor around white people" and he never uses his real name again
hidden ermine
I feel like this set is only modern onwards because itd be out of flavour in standard
lusty trench
I mean I’ll take deathtouch tribal commander
twilit canyon
[[fynn the fang bearer]]
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lusty trench
Sucks he doesn’t give any card advantage but it’s something
sudden lava
I may have to get ballad of the black flag
hidden ermine
Like this feels like a standard-level powered set
lusty trench
One that won’t get me killed on sight I mean
sudden lava
for my bant historics deck
golden plover
They promised to not put UB sets in standard
And as of right now, they're still holding that promise
twilit canyon
standard is fine but only for digital
golden plover
Low-key it's probably licensing and the "promise" is to help make standard/pioneer players who don't like UB cards feel better
Since if a set goes into standard, it goes into arena
And there's probably extra licensing there
golden plover
And LOTR
twilit canyon
but ig not all contracts are equal
sleek ferry
They’re saving all the good or interesting cards for the 2nd most hyped set of the year; furry land
I mean bloomburrow
golden plover
But certain crossovers like Transformers skipped Arena
Which is weird considering Transformers is Hasbro owned
lusty trench
Bloomborrow is already a slam dunk due to the theme
golden plover
But there's also no Dr who stuff
twilit canyon
transformers stuff is on arena
lusty trench
Like it’s gonna do decent
golden plover
Not the cards
sleek ferry
Theme + art style
twilit canyon
yea
golden plover
I know there's skins and stuff, but you can't play Slicer or whatever
But yeah, it's probably realistically a licensing thing
twilit canyon
mhm
golden plover
They wanna guarantee arena is 1:1 with paper standard, and if they can't get the license for digital AC or whatever, they don't wanna risk it
twilit canyon
thats the most likely reason
sudden lava
They’re saving all the good or interesting cards for the 2nd most hyped set of t...
So ready
golden plover
And helps build good faith by going "look we promised to never put a UB set in standard"
lusty trench
When does bloomburrow drop anyway
golden plover
But yeah, I'm so confused why they keep using Ratonthakaé:ton on cards
golden plover
When does bloomburrow drop anyway
August
sudden lava
When does bloomburrow drop anyway
August 2nd, spoilers start July 9th
urban crane
Wich of these cards plus pain lands would be good in the esper knights precon?
lusty trench
All but the Bident I can make an argument for
golden plover
Definitely the mana drain, sentinel, and the lands
golden plover
Yeah true didnt see those
lusty trench
A graveyard is nice
twilit canyon
surely one of the ass creed cards will be good or interesting
hidden ermine
Wonder if there will be any artifact blinking cards in the set
lusty trench
They got the jumpstart exclusive card designers working on this set
golden plover
Nah the jumpstart designers at least come up with interesting cards here and there
They got the starter deck card designers doing a whole set
hidden ermine
I believe this is the first time we've had an effect like this be repeatable right?
lusty trench
The anti combat trick
zinc shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE-3OeKAt6I
I've been waiting for this
subtle tendon
Also, seeing revolutionary war soldiers on a magic card feels... Wrong
Just wait till you see Yasuke
twilit canyon
that'd be crazy to not give the newest game cards
sudden lava
Yasuke feels like he will be a SL
golden plover
Yeah they'd probably be SL stuff
Considering the set was likely finalized a year ago
Speaking of SL stuff, where's the Universes Within versions of the Dr Who SL cards
golden plover
Oh right, that's maybe her
But yeah, it'll be weird for the 14th and 15th doctors to get in-universe prints but they mentioned all SL exclusive cards are supposed to get them
sudden lava
Wasn’t the other one in?
Naoe hasn't been revealed in the set yet
This is Shao Jun
golden plover
That's dumb as shit
Kicking someone with a dagger is not better than just slicing their neck
stark skiff
Wow nice finally reprinted. Was gonna get the SLD but wasn’t a fan of the art
lusty trench
How did they make excalibur boring
copper pecan
idk i think the excalibur is kinda cool
trail anvil
Excalibur is painfully basic but still probably being run because you can cheat it into play for a massive stat boost
lusty trench
The sword that can produce a blinding authoritative light, the scabbard that grants invulnerability to battle damage… +10 attack and vigilance
gritty nest
dies to a random squirrel
lusty trench
golden plover
Wow Excalibur is just a worse Embercleave/[[Blackblade Reforged]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each land you control.
Equip legendary creature 
Equip 
It spilled the blood of one elder dragon. In Gideon's hands, it may yet taste another's.
trail anvil
tax collector looks like it would be really annoying with blink lol
lusty trench
I feel like tax should’ve been “until your next turn, whenever an opponent casts a spell they may pay 1, if they don’t, counter that spell” cause that way cost reduction doesn’t completely ignore it
But that might be a tad too good
golden plover
I mean, it's theoretically a better version of Thalia's effect
And Thalia sees legacy play
But this guy sure as hell won't
trail anvil
I don't think many cards are comparable to thalia
golden plover
True
trail anvil
where this guy gets funny imo is if you can somehow get his eff multiple times
extra turn spell with a lot of extra steps
golden plover
Yeah true
golden plover
Huh my opponent gave me [[Invasion of Ergamon]] which made my Ajani live?
sleek ferry
sudden lava
from what people have said, this reference was in the game, so a reference to a reference
zinc shard
I'm debating starting a second account of Arena and seeing how hard the game is without crafting
golden plover
The answer is incredibly
last glen
can we masochist run Arena
sleek ferry
I'm debating starting a second account of Arena and seeing how hard the game is ...
Tbh, new player experience is fine if you focus on just standard
When I first started during Covid I got 2 whole decks off just doing tutorial + a week’s worth of daily quests
Current issue is we’re at pre rotation, so almost every deck needs at least 20 rares and mythics
zinc shard
maybe once Standard Rotates ill try it
sleek ferry
Let me check real quick, Rakdos anvil is probably budget friendly, but it has some key cards rotating out
Yeah rakdos anvil uses 10 mythics + whatever the amount of rares is for the mana base
It doesn’t use any rares in the main though
trail anvil
Tbh, new player experience is fine if you focus on just standard
I'd argue wildcards aside I wouldn't want to introduce a new player in this standard
this meta is crazy fast and high powered not that that's super unique in the last few standards ig
stark skiff
Some foil pickups for today. Just rounding out MH3 stuff and some stuff for Omo lol @rigid scarab @sleek ferry @atomic harness
Squirrel Swarmyard is adorable btw 
trail anvil
jesus that's blingy lol
rigid scarab
Welcome to the daily life of Adam
For you, it was a life-altering godlike card. For Adam, it's Thursday
glad peak
Oh wait omo with maze’s end doesn’t need any gates
But needs a way to flicker omo and get 10 lands into play somehow
trail anvil
if you do a dedicated flicker build that's certainly something
that's pretty crazy tho lol
stark skiff
But needs a way to flicker omo and get 10 lands into play somehow
i meean its simic getting 10 lands isnt too hard
glad peak
Sure but flickering omo 10 times and then activating omo is pretty hard
trail anvil
idk about focusing it because flicker makes the creature synergy a little iffy since the counters fall off
maybe running thassa/conjurer's closet and maze's end just in the 99?
glad peak
No need to have a creature synergy but might run something like azami for card draw
Also you don’t need to flicker the board, just omo
trail anvil
if you're only flickering omo you're probably not achieving much
stark skiff
if you're only flickering omo you're probably not achieving much
he's only focusing on Maze's End as a wincon but yeah
glad peak
You’d be flickering only her and putting counters on utility lands which would be gates and all colors as well to go for some combo kill
Overall seems very weak no matter what direction it’s pushed though
trail anvil
I get that but if you're investing that many resources into only flickering her that doesn't sound fantastic is what I'm saying
glad peak
Omo in general isn’t fantastic
trail anvil
she's not some s-tier commander but she's pretty decent
there are a lot of fun synergies to use
stark skiff
Omo in general isn’t fantastic <:Hahaa:642861303387521034>
hard disagree but shrug
glad peak
Idk, I’d say being a synergy piece is good enough to be decent but she’s sort of a very slow arcane adaptation so isn’t great in synergy unless you’re given way too much time
trail anvil
bruh she literally turns on [[urza's tower]] instantly
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Land — Urza's Tower
: Add 
. If you control an Urza's Mine and an Urza's Power-Plant, add instead.
Urza studied the creations of the Thran not simply to learn from them, but to surpass them.
trail anvil
and also severely speeds up [[cloudpost]] and [[baldur's gate]]
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Land — Locus
Cloudpost enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add for each Locus on the battlefield.
"He watches from above. He watches from below. He watches from within." —Inscription on Tel-Jilad, the Tree of Tales
Legendary Land — Gate
: Add .
, : Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of other Gates you control.
"Of course I know what 'eponymous' means! It's a little horse." —Krizz, gate guard
glad peak
The big problem is that without flickering or additional combats, she can’t add counters to lands to speed those up as fast as people might want
The urza’s lands is probably the best use case though yep
trail anvil
you have multiple ways to search out lands + you're in simic anyways
it's simic fast mana with changeling typal
also fun cards like [[sage of the maze]]
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Creature — Elf Wizard
: Add two mana in any combination of colors.
: Until end of turn, target land you control becomes an X/X Citizen creature with haste in addition to its other types, where X is twice the number of Gates you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
Tap an untapped Gate you control: Untap Sage of the Maze.
1/3
glad peak
Yep, the problem is time though, it’s woefully slow only making 1 thing at a time a changeling
trail anvil
you don't need that many though
you put it on the important stuff for your lords to protect them, and you still get good value off of cards like [[titan of littjara]] cause you declare a type that doesn't have an everything counter on it
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trail anvil
[[spawning kraken]] is another example of becoming a problem really quickly even if you only have a few hits
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trail anvil
[[roaming throne]] also works for her and anything else you want it to work for
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As Roaming Throne enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4
glad peak
Yeah, 2-4 hits/turns is a bit much
trail anvil
look dude idk what to tell you lol, I feel like you just wanna play tatyova and call it a day
that's your prerogative
glad peak
And I’m not talking in terms of cedh either, in casual also 2-4 turns is very slow
2-4 turns after you play her btw
What I’m suggesting is you can maybe make her faster by focusing only on the lands and going hard on flicker but even then she seems meh
trail anvil
what are you even talking about with 2-4 turns, you just do stuff on every turn lol
glad peak
It takes a long time to get set up, either before or after omo
Either because you’re playing expensive stuff or because the synergies you’re talking about requires those counters
glad peak
Or you’re already dead
trail anvil
what have you been doing in your omo games, just passing until turn 3?
glad peak
You’re expecting a lot to go right for you to pop off in a that manner with omo
trail anvil
you're dropping a 1/5 on the board which is a fantastic blocker for the early game
stark skiff
now now guys lets move on and talk about some of the best blink cards I can use for Azlak deck
trail anvil
genuinely idk how you're dying that fast unless you're playing the precon as-is, and we've already established that sucks
wait where does blink overlap with azlask
stark skiff
mostly just wanna trigger all the etbs of the other devoid eldrazi to make more
trail anvil
most of those are on-cast effects no?
stark skiff
yeah etb
so Panharmonicon and Elesh Norn stuff i guess
also blinking them to get more was my plan
trail anvil
well since you're 5c you could just yorion
glad peak
It’s not always that I die in pre con games in 3 or so turn rotations but omo is very much dead before 3 turn rotations
For etb eldrazi there’s always displacer
stark skiff
well since you're 5c you could just yorion
ah forgot about him. i was eyeing Brago
glad peak
I was looking for a flicker card that wouldn’t work but forgor it’s 5C lol
trail anvil
It’s not always that I die in pre con games in 3 or so turn rotations but omo is...
I'm surprised you have people targeting her at all
glad peak
People view her as good enough for some reason
trail anvil
I haven't even seen people that complain about her consider her kill on sight but idk, usually someone else starts off as the problem
glad peak
I don’t either but the justification I keep hearing is “what if you play something that has synergy”
Which isn’t really a good argument
urban crane
Just finished up sleeving my deck
trail anvil
do you just have a bad locals
trail anvil
Just finished up sleeving my deck
nice, which deck
glad peak
I have a decent locals, just have some bad players here and there
But even with some good players they just kill it
trail anvil
might wanna consider more 1 mana flickers then
draw removal and get another everything land, easy money
glad peak
urban crane
nice, which deck
Zidar jabari so pretty much knight tribal
golden plover
@twilit canyon we finally got a single good card from the set
Legendary Creature - Human Berserker
Trample
~This~ must attack every combat if able, can't be sacrificed and cannot attack its owner.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player gains control of ~this~, untap it, and put a +1/+1 counter on it. It gains haste until end of turn.```He's better Slicer
Notably loses double strike, but gets a lot bigger and comes down earlier
Whoops forgot slicer costs 2R
But I think this might still be better
lusty trench
Trample is nice, should hopefully guarantee some commander damage
Not sure how I feel about it losing double strike though
copper pecan
i feel like slicer is better
golden plover
Notably this one can't hit you, even if you're down to 1 opponent
I think that's another big upside
copper pecan
oh true, i didn't notice that
golden plover
It's marginally worse with equipment
But there's times where you don't have trample on slicer so damage isn't getting through
I think he's better because he's guaranteed to get the damage in
He's always at least a 5/5 trample
Also this card was not designed for modern lmao
Literally doesn't do anything in modern
glad peak
Eh it’s a 5/5 that goes up by 2 each of your turns, it’s inevitability I guess
lusty trench
At worst you could put it in slicer to double up maybe?
glad peak
The upside of slicer is that it kills fast through commander damage, I don’t think this deck wants slicer
golden plover
This kills fast through commander damage too
You're passing around a 5/5 invincible trample that gets bigger every turn
glad peak
Yep, I wouldn’t play both in the same deck though
golden plover
Definitely not
I think Alexios is gonna replace slicer for cedh tho
The edge cases of always having trample and being unable to attack you in the 1v1 are too good
Also if you squint you can pretend he's from Theros I guess
sleek ferry
Surely one of these ass creed cards will be good or interesting
sudden lava
Translation of the 4/4 already posted, this is just the non fancy art
freerunning extra combat
golden plover
Surely one of these ass creed cards will be good or interesting
I mean they already revealed the one cedh card
Sets over
Better Slicer exists and now we're not gonna see another good card all set
golden plover
True. Literally the only good new card is uncommon lmao
Opening up 2 boxes to supply the entire cedh community with their replacement slicers
He's also way easier to pretend he's in universe, just go "oh he's some weird Theros guy"
sleek ferry
which one is the better slicer
urban crane
https://preview.redd.it/bgnqvxrzin7d1.png?width=551&format=png&auto=webp&s=d34a8...
This one
sleek ferry
hmm idk
golden plover
He comes down a turn later and loses double strike, but trample is big for commander damage and he can't hit you
And he's always growing
sleek ferry
that 1 mana difference is pretty relevant tbh
lusty trench
Yeah he’s jeweled lotus drop away
golden plover
You can also see land + crypt + ritual or similar
golden plover
Fixed this list up a bit
Anything I'm still immediately missing here?
Also working on this one, but I'm gated by 5 more mythic WCs
Funnily enough, soul sisters has been performing the best for me and I'm still gated by 5 mythics and 1 rare wc there
(Need the rest of the ocelots and Ajanis)
sudden lava
twilit canyon
```Cult of Kosmos, Deimos Alexios 3R
Legendary Creature - Human Berserker ...
meh kinda just a sidegraded slicer
again back to the whole wonder when they will release an interesting or good card in this set
golden plover
He might be better in the long run since he can't hit you and always tramples
But he's so far the best card in the set
And he's a random uncommon
glad peak
Slicer but he never betrays you lol
golden plover
Pretty much
lusty trench
Ohhh I get this, this is from brotherhood's multiplayer
golden plover
Oh the full set has been posted now
So yay, nothing good at all
Also surprisingly, no Washington or Karl Marx cards
copper pecan
what? why would there be a karl marx card
there's no way in hell wotc would print something like that
golden plover
He's a key character in AC Syndicate
It would have been really funny
They also skipped over the Pope
If they were gonna commit to real person UB, I wanted to play the controversial ones...
sudden lava
sudden lava
Oh the full set has been posted now
wait fullset is posted now? Link?
golden plover
Check the gallery ig
All I know is every card is spoiled
Which means this set is a real stinker lmao
First set to sell an assassin's creedillion packs
fallow citrus
trail anvil
lmao
sudden lava
Assassins Doge
zinc shard
The assassin token is so goofy it looks back around to being cool I love it
sudden lava
trail anvil
every post I see someone calling for a nadu ban also has someone in the comments saying "but krark/sakashima takes long non-deterministic turns too". why isn't the opinion to ban both if that's the case
also target nadu with no mana up -> land off the top -> protection spell -> second trigger is still wild to me
golden plover
Krark/Sakashima has been around longer so it gets a pass/s
But yeah, Nadu getting targeted with no open mana and you storming off because your opponent had the audacity to interact is BONKERS
lusty trench
also target nadu with no mana up -> land off the top -> protection spell -> seco...
To be fair is this much different than 0 mana counter your target, flip 3 coins and get it back into hand?
trail anvil
that's cancerous too, let's ban both
lusty trench
My opinion is if Nadu has to go, krark and or sakashima has to go too
Legit I'm down
swat/guardianship is a 0 mana non deterministic infinite protection in krark sakashima
Which is gross af
golden plover
I'm fine killing Krark/Sakashima
Especially if it takes Nadu with it
I'd also love for this to be what finally gets Thoracle banned
Card has had it coming since release
I would eat a Thoracle if it got the card banned in EDH
lusty trench
I have eaten a jukai naturalist (lost a bet) I would certainly eat a thoracle
golden plover
I'll eat one if it gets banned ig
trail anvil
on a different note, [[gleaming fleshraker]] is a ridiculous card in both 5c eldrazi decks
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
Whenever another colorless creature enters the battlefield under your control, Glaring Fleshraker deals 1 damage to each opponent.
2/2
trail anvil
I played this in azlask and instantly became the archvillain with how many spawns I was producing and how I was burning the table lol
lusty trench
Literally just a 1 mana refund and a ping on everything you do
stark skiff
Even in the face commander copying him is silly
trail anvil
yeah that's a hilarious interaction, it can really end the game immediately lol
stark skiff
I’m a little confused on how it works actually. You make 2 copies of him and 2 scions to ping for 4 right?
lusty trench
No
You make the scions on cast
Wait no I'm being stupid ignore me
You make a copy of it, then cast a colourless spell and ping for 4
stark skiff
You make a copy of it, then cast a colourless spell and ping for 4
So it should be 2 scions in total then? And every new cast will ping for 2 per copy?
trail anvil
TIL [[cruel celebrant]] triggers on planeswalkers dying. I get why given what set it was introduced in but that never came up for me
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rigid scarab
We NEED planeswalker sacrifice now
zinc shard
golden plover
Ya know, maybe One Ring into One Ring to reset your burden counters isn't okay
golden plover
They should restrict the one ring because stacking them is bullshit and also because flavorfully the card should be one of in your deck
copper pecan
i feel like it would make more sense to just ban it
restricting it makes it way more swingy
golden plover
Yeah it really should just be banned
But it's funnier to restrict it
It's "The One Ring"
Not "The One of Four Rings"
copper pecan
they used to do that to every legendary card and stopped because it just wasn't a good idea in a game without super common searching
trail anvil
if we're talking about timeless then it doesn't have any bans though
golden plover
Yeah true
I think a restriction on it would be good in timeless
And everyone mentions a modern ban for it
twilit canyon
meh
it doesnt show up that much in timeless
if there's a format where one ring is actually kind of a menace its modern
golden plover
I think it's kinda a problem design in general, so I'd like to see it leave both
What do you mean your extra turn spell sticks around and draws you like 6 cards?
sleek ferry
You lost me as it doesn’t give you an “extra turn” and draws 6 remotely on the same turn
golden plover
I mean, yeah they're not the same turn
But it's effectively an extra turn
And you usually draw like 3-4 off it before you swap it
sleek ferry
I also think we’ve gotten significantly more answers for TOR than we had when it was first released
golden plover
There's a few yeah, but card does too much tbh
sleek ferry
Let’s wait till the pro tour next week to see what pops up in the meta first
golden plover
I mean they won't do hits until the tour anyways
sleek ferry
Yeah I’m saying let’s hold off on ban talks till then. I think we could see an mh3 card get banned sooner rather than later depending on how much it shows up next weekend
golden plover
I mean a list can hit the ring and Nadu ngl
sleek ferry
Idt nadu is going to be a problem in modern at all
golden plover
What do you think the MH3 problem card is then?
sleek ferry
None, but if there was going to be one that raises the most eyebrows it’s going to be raptor
glad peak
Ral, much more consistent than I expected but loses to the same things storm usually does
Raptor seemed fine, feels bad if you hit raptor with raptor but value is value
copper pecan
i don't think there really are any problem cards in mh3. the only thing that really comes close is nadu and even then i'm really not sure if he's actually going to be a problem or not
golden plover
I think Phlage won't end up a problem, but he'll be seeing way more play than expected
Raptor seems fine
And I'm not sure how real mono-red storm is yet
I think Nadu is really the biggest design mistake and I think he's gonna need a commander or modern ban thh
sleek ferry
Is Nadu even an issue in timeless rn?
golden plover
Not in timeless no
But he doesn't have access to Shuko or Greaves
The only equip 0 on arena is [[Leather Armor]]
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Equipped creature gets +0/+1 and has ward 
. (Whenever equipped creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Equip 
. Activate only once each turn.
Lightweight, flexible, and protective.
golden plover
And like... No
glad peak
I don’t think mono red storm is really real but ral gives it the best chance since it does everything
Other than give flashback I guess lol
But being able to ult immediately with the ability to time when you flip to the back seems good
golden plover
Yeah, I wanna see how it plays out in the Pro Tour
glad peak
You might hit a horrible streak and lose but
golden plover
Because the deck seems funky and I wasn see if it's real or not
glad peak
I don’t think mono red is the play tbh, probably red green
golden plover
Not Izzet?
You get access to snappy and stuff like [[Invert Polarity]] in the side
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glad peak
True but the Druid as an alt win con that can be used as a draw 2 along with weather the storm as a 1 of and pick your poison seems good
granite badge
Nadu feels broken on paper but I think it being non deterministic and needing to run a card with 0 other utility besides enabeling nadu is a big draw back
sleek ferry
I’ll make 4c energy for timeless eventually, been stacking up my wildcards
Nadu in cedh has the criticism of it running really bad cards that don’t do anything on their own
glad peak
Maybe splashing green in UW hammer for nadu is the play
sleek ferry
Like Kinnan runs bad cards, but most of them do something on their own
glad peak
And with 1 shuko
sleek ferry
If you got Shuko out and people counter your Nadu, you’re just sitting there with your thing in your hands for lack of a better saying
urban crane
Got couple packs
stark skiff
nice flares
sleek ferry
I’m tearing apart Nadu
Lmao what happened boss
gritty nest
T1 land
T2 land sol ring signet goldvein pick
T3 Nadu equip reveal land, play greaves cuz draw for turn, reveal another land
T4 baloths begin warcrimes
golden plover
That's like $300 of cards damn
gritty nest
This was everything in the deck that was $5 or more
sudden lava
This was everything in the deck that was $5 or more
did you get a good deal on Nadu's glove?
gritty nest
$28
It’s $35 on tcg last I checked
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZS3KGD-jDUy6ecYDKu1HFA What do you guys think of this deck before I start buying the cards. Was told to build a deck without blue. From my testing the deck seemed somewhat slow (probably because of the shit mana base, but that was intentional.)
sudden lava
It’s $35 on tcg last I checked
yeah its 33-35 dollars right now, you got a nice deal
gritty nest
I’ll just be getting rid of it soon
I legit didn’t like playing Nadu
Insert subway meme of “my brother in Christ, you built the deck.”
trail anvil
did it succeed at being annoying to your locals at least lol
gritty nest
i played only one game
one person ran it in the 99 of their deck a previous game, got confused when it was blown up instantly
then their eyes glazed over, so did someone else. another one was excited to see me with rec tower and they had jeskas will in hand. sucks I won
trail anvil
got confused when it was blown up instantly
did they not look at the card lol
trail anvil
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZS3KGD-jDUy6ecYDKu1HFA What do you guys think of ...
also I imagine this deck will be pretty slow the more you focus on saproling synergies. it's probably a fun archetype but a lot of the cards seem underpowered
gritty nest
Yesnt
gritty nest
also I imagine this deck will be pretty slow the more you focus on saproling syn...
So pretty much perfect then. I wanted it to be lower power
They “read” the cards
As in asking me what discover means on [[!Hidden Cataract]]
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gritty nest
(Yes their copy had reminder text.)
trail anvil
So pretty much perfect then. I wanted it to be lower power
I'm guessing just to hang with regular casual pods? those craterhooves are gonna be gut punches lol
those are the best go-wide wincons tho
gritty nest
I figured the hooves would help the deck close games
Because it’s 4c shit tokens
Lmao
And also I tried avoiding shocks because for some reason my group equates shocks = broken deck
trail anvil
you play in a weird-ass group
trail anvil
ye I follow, just definitely a weird thing to complain about
I'm used to "x card isn't power level 7" but I gotta say lands outside of the reserve list once are new to me
gritty nest
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I was challenged to build it by a friend, so did it
Also my Nadu deck was $100 at most
what the fuck
zinc shard
I have a playset of Ulamogs on Arena from drafting, but have yet to see a Kozilek or Emrakul
twilit canyon
good they dont matter
golden plover
None of the three are really playable tbh
lusty trench
Emrakul I think is the closest to being playable? Ulamog is neat but not doing anything the turn he drops is a bit of a bummer and combo decks will usually have the combo before he drops so the half deck exile doesn’t super matter
And kozilek is kozilek
golden plover
Emrakul's madness cost makes me think she'd have a home somewhere
golden plover
Ajani almost always flips the turn he gets to swing
They kill your cat, ajani flips
fallow citrus
you can do stuff with him like
if you play mardu you can play him t2, phlage turn 3, flip sorin and you end up pinging your opp for 6
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this list for example
also mono black with [[soul spike]] https://x.com/fireshoes/status/1802173062575517941
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fallow citrus
turn 2 ping for 8
golden plover
I like Sorin, but I'm too Ajani pilled
He's so good here
I need more Ocelot Prides for this
glad peak
Yes, magic players are bad at evaluating cards, some more than others
But some takes are just 
gritty nest
One of the people I play with now and then at my LGS asked me for my Nadu list
I just outright told them no lol
twilit canyon
new emrakul is a meta call vs boros energy and black/x necro
interesting to not that the black list didnt run the black march huh
i was thinking that card had to be ass and i was right