Magic the Gathering

[copper pecan]

out of play really needs some work but i haven't had any problems with the in-game one

[trail anvil]

I actually really like the land system in magic tbh

it does end up in mana screw/flood sometimes but utility lands are a really cool category

after playing a game like legends of runeterra too I found out there are ways to still effectively be mana screwed even if you don't have a land system

[sleek ferry]

My favorite thing about mtg is the color identity tbh

Yeah, it’s just not my day today

There we go, when in doubt, mono black

[trail anvil]

wtf are you playing against lol

[golden plover]

You don't know Jeskai 300 cards?

Clearly everyone is on Jeskai 300 cards

[sleek ferry]

It was some bad 4 color deck

[golden plover]

Oh wait yeah that's non-black

Didn't even see the Simic lands

(I'm colorblind)

[sudden lava]

MBT discord figuring out the color pairings based off what we know from bloomburrow

[hidden ermine]

Bats are going to be black/red arent they?

Actually black white maybe

Badgers are the big question mark I think

[modern minnow]

would be funny if they were black white

[hidden ermine]

Its honestly the most natural one anyway

[sudden lava]

Im thinking rakdos badgers, dimir lizards, and orzhov bats

[hidden ermine]

Id say that or switch the badgers and bats

Do we hknow that its gonna be one animal per colour pairing?

[sudden lava]

yeah, each 2 color pairing is 1 animal

[hidden ermine]

Then Ill call rakdos bats, orzhov badgers and dimir lizards

[sudden lava]

and Im guessing the mono red calamity beast is the wolf based off the one art having red eyes

[sudden lava]

https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/9bdb642e17.jpg

[lusty trench]

WHAT IS THAT FLAVOUR TEXT WOTC

[sleek ferry]

That elesh norn is pretty nice

What’s wrong with it?

It’s witty

[sudden lava]

OH wait, badger for sure rakdos

https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/218062aa1c.jpg

[twilit canyon]

kinda?

[hidden ermine]

Yeah looks to be Rakdos then

[golden plover]

I might be colorblind, but the hand is green, right?

Could be Golgari

[lusty trench]

The hand is brown and red

[hidden ermine]

The main magic is red and purple here

[golden plover]

Gotcha, I am quite literally colorblind

[gritty nest]

Man this eldrazi support has gotten out of hand

[sudden lava]

golgari is for sure gonna be squirrels cuz of the precon

[stark skiff]

What the what’s this from

[lusty trench]

They said it’s from the poker face lair but it looks more like showcase outlaws thunder junction

[stark skiff]

Shit I want one

[golden plover]

Damn, I wish they had announced the bonus card

[gritty nest]

I’m curious, idk if any of you play EDH, but I’m wondering what you guys think of this deck? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zMA2Va5Wck6ZfbdH6RffYw

And if you have any suggestions for names that would be awesome. I keep the deck in a dumpster deck box if that helps

[twilit canyon]

looks perfectly fine

[gritty nest]

I get told it’s my best deck, but I feel like it’s overhyped in what it does

[twilit canyon]

i mean it looks totally fine

[gritty nest]

Like don’t get me wrong it’s got good cards

[twilit canyon]

its not broken or anything

totally fine deck

unless u wanna start like

[gritty nest]

But I wouldn’t say it’s like almost cEDH lol

[twilit canyon]

pushing for a cedh deck or something

its fine

[gritty nest]

I get told it’s almost cEDH

[twilit canyon]

nah

its very very far from cedh still

there is a slightly warped perception of cedh still

but in any case, this is still way too far off cedh

[gritty nest]

I figured

What do you think of the name “Dumpster Diving for Combo”

[twilit canyon]

its cute

[golden plover]

No [[Scurry Oak]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/172/scurry-oak

Scurry Oak <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk
Evolve (Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Scurry Oak, you may create a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token.
1/2

[golden plover]

It's a decent addition

[gritty nest]

Because in like 5 seconds it’ll be too big

And evolve will never trigger again

[golden plover]

That's what makes it funny

[gritty nest]

Fair lol

[golden plover]

If you drop it with [[Rosie Cotton]] you win

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/27/rosie-cotton-of-south-lane

Rosie Cotton of South Lane <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
When Rosie Cotton of South Lane enters the battlefield, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you create a token, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control other than Rosie.
1/1

[golden plover]

Or [[Cathar's Crusade]], but this card SUCKS to track

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/95/cathars-crusade

Cathars' Crusade <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Avacyn's holy warriors kept hope alive in her darkest hours. Now they will carry that hope across Innistrad.

[gritty nest]

This is the deck box btw

I don’t usually care about 1/1 counters

I just durdle until I drop an infinite and win on the spot

[golden plover]

Cathar's Crusade is an annoying one if it doesn't go infinite

[gritty nest]

If I had proliferate I would like that

[gritty nest]

I run it in Optimus prime, not that bad

[golden plover]

When like 5 cards enter in the same turn, it's tedious

[copper pecan]

cathar's crusade sucks to track so bad

[golden plover]

Yeah I cut it from jetmir for that reason alone

You play 3 tokens and the board state just becomes hellish

[gritty nest]

Fair, it’s probably not that annoying for me since I typically go one creature at a time, and also have a box of spindowns

[trail anvil]

I already have enough trouble with hakbal lol

[glad peak]

is this the trash bin 3d print? i was tempted to make rocco because of the oven stl file i found lol

[gritty nest]

Yes

[gritty nest]

Let’s say your in a 4 player pod

Player A plays turn 1 sol ring

Player B pact of negation the sol ring, everyone knowing he can’t pay the cost of it

How would you react?

[copper pecan]

gigachad

[rigid scarab]

That dude's awesome

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/j4Y1xYBSaFw

dont remember if I posted this yet, but look at Ben Brode's deck

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1248092066316025866/image.png?ex=666267d1&is=66611651&hm=1ccedab3c5515bba87d39383960f631715a74986420f47b01b86ac35f53ba031&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=108&height=116

[glad peak]

Pacting sol is a the only way to die correctly

[stark skiff]

Ooo Kibler on Dogs

Honestly like watching these for Brian’s decks lol

[sudden lava]

And dogs on Kibler.

🩷

[gritty nest]

Doge

[sudden lava]

2 doge

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/jenn_the_judge/status/1798502003536252958?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Jenn the Judge 👩‍⚖️ (@Jenn_the_Judge) on X

#DailyRulesQuestion

Dallas was WILD. This question is from the event!

I activate Soul Cauldron Exiling a creature from my graveyard. With the reflexive trigger on the stack, you cast Tidebinder countering the trigger. Does my Cauldron lose all abilities?

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 11:47 PM

[stark skiff]

@rigid scarab @atomic harness

[atomic harness]

I see you like burning money mr rich doctor adam md

[stark skiff]

Wow bro I was hoping you would bless my pulls

[atomic harness]

hope you pull good my son

[trail anvil]

pull good stuff

[rigid scarab]

Good luck moneybags

[trail anvil]

finally had one of those commander games where each person in the pod actually could have won the game at any time

that was pretty damn fun

also damn I didn't now we're getting both the face and secondary commanders for the commander decks on arena 👀

[atomic harness]

how'd it go?

[stark skiff]

havent opened yet lol

[urban crane]

Bless your pulls

[stark skiff]

omg

pulled a serialized eldrazi

lol

[urban crane]

Show

[stark skiff]

@atomic harness @rigid scarab thanks for the blessings

[rigid scarab]

Wtf

Share the wealth

[stark skiff]

sir im poor

[rigid scarab]

How did you get that box btw

[stark skiff]

locals got their shipment in today

[trail anvil]

sheeeeee

[gritty nest]

Can I eat it?

[trail anvil]

saw someone playing domain cats with the new ajani in timeless, idk if it's any good but it looked really fun lol

[atomic harness]

proud of you son

[urban crane]

Good first upgrade for the energy precon? Il also add the mh3 stuff later after prices have settled

[sleek ferry]

Holy

This guy Adam pulled a serialized card

I legitly just watched a guy on whatnot go 173 boxes without opening a serialized card

What else did you pull @stark skiff

[golden plover]

Holy shit insane pull

[sleek ferry]

We need to put into perspective how ridiculously hard it is to pull a serialized card

Especially out of a single box

[golden plover]

Yeah, they're hella rare

[glad peak]

Just took all of our luck for yourself

[copper pecan]

how heavy do you think elesh norn's hat thing is

she must have crazy strong neck muscles

she's 12 feet tall and each arm of the hat is 3/4ths as long as she is tall so that means it's around 18 feet across

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1248288971449176164/fc6xr5egz714.png?ex=66631f32&is=6661cdb2&hm=ffd91c5dd10bac3a64b88fdf830465258c8ad5eb7c62292ec5a882d58a3341c6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=905&height=662
only tangentially related but i found this cursed image of the back of her head

i feel like we weren't meant to see this

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/pauper-bans-for-june-6-2024

[[Cranial Ram]] is pre-banned

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/180/cranial-ram

Cranial Ram <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
Living weapon (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 0/0 black Phyrexian Germ creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +X/+1, where X is the number of artifacts you control.
Equip
To ensure proper fit, the mandibles can be inserted directly into the ears.

[copper pecan]

not surprised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_Ztfe7HrQ

i like how he goes really in-depth about this kind of thing

[fallow citrus]

man can't even have 1 day of fun with that, tragic

wotc hates fun confirmed

[glad peak]

Dang

I wanted to at least play it a bit

[jagged flower]

I checked, the article is 2239 words long for a banlist consisting of 1 card.
Meanwhile Konami banlist explanations: 🦗

[copper pecan]

iirc the one time konami did a banlist explanation people got really mad at them so they never did it again

[jagged flower]

Yup

[last glen]

they did it twice
and we clowned on them both times

Konami clearly subscribes to the "Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid, rather than open your mouth and prove you're stupid" theory of communication.

[copper pecan]

people still make fun of them for "the strongest card of 2017" seven years later

[granite badge]

What were the times they did

Also tbf

They give short blurbs for hits in DL/MD

Its like 2-3 sentences long tops and usually just "this deck too good so uhhh we hit its consitency thats all folks"

[glad peak]

I still remember the fusion tuner thing but not the others

[stark skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/2869993-hail-gif-12594371

[pulsar talon]

The first was when they tried to justify hitting every single synchro deck in order to push xyz decks (wind up and dino rabbit format btw)

The second was during the mr5 era

Which i cannot remember from the top of my head, but it had the same issue of konami not addressing the fact that they didnt directly hit the clear best deck

[sleek ferry]

what else did you pull

[pulsar talon]

Found it, 2022 in the middle of tear format

https://yugiohblog.konami.com/2022/12/the-new-forbidden-limited-list-is-in-effect-for-ycs-remote-duel/

[copper pecan]

yeah that was not good

[fallow citrus]

it was a mid list with mid reasonings

[lusty trench]

I still can't believe they thought a tuner instant fusion target was going to break the game

[stark skiff]

Uhh I forgot. Nothing that great I think. Not home to check lol

[fallow citrus]

it's definitely a card that could have been broken

but it was level 5

[lusty trench]

No ugins lab? No other eldrazi? No one mana goyf? No fetches?

[sleek ferry]

oh? Then send me everything besides the serialized card

[stark skiff]

Nah no lab. I got the Retro foil Emrakul. One Borderless non foil fetch and an extended foil one

[stark skiff]

Will do

[lusty trench]

Retro foil emrakul pretty big

[pulsar talon]

Let me correct myself

There was a 3rd one in 2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160829002929/https://tcg.konami-europe.com/coverage/a-tale-of-the-future-the-new-forbidden-limited-list/

Which also didnt get well received because it was basically a metalfoes ad

[golden plover]

Oh cute, the main card on Scryfall rn is [[Wall of Stone]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/232/wall-of-stone

Wall of Stone <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Wall
Defender (This creature can't attack.)
The ground itself lends its strength to these walls of living stone, which possess the stability of ancient mountains. These mighty bulwarks thwart ground-based troops, providing welcome relief for weary warriors who defend the land.
0/8

[golden plover]

The whole theme is pride via protest cards (one of each color)

But wall of stone is a cute pick

[trail anvil]

I think the problem with konami releasing banlist reasoning articles isn't the fact that they do so, it's that they don't really put any effort into the explanation (tbh they really are banning to push product, but only they really need to)

mtg formats will have banlist explanations that people get mad at for sure but they don't have the burden of needing to keep something alive to push product as long as konami does

[rigid scarab]

I'd personally love to see a konami rep who manages banlists to give us a GMM style video on them pushing floodgates out of the format

[trail anvil]

do you think nadu is gonna be a big problem in edh? card seems nuts and goes off potentially insanely quickly and it seems like it'll take super long turns

[golden plover]

He'll probably be cedh viable, yeah

[twilit canyon]

cedh viable at the minimum

but likely worse than kinnan

[golden plover]

He's got a different niche than Kinnan

Kinnan is better for the color combo, yeah

But Nadu is gonna be good for go-wide stuff?

[sleek ferry]

That’s the issue though

[golden plover]

Yeah, I guess you're right

What would you wanna do with him Kinnan isn't doing

[sleek ferry]

If you’re in simic, you want to give yourself the best chance. And unless Nadu is giving you different win cons than Kinnan

You’re never going to pick Nadu over Kinnan

[golden plover]

He might, but unfortunately yeah

He'll be very strong tho

[sleek ferry]

It reminds me of when

We tried to make prosper happen in cedh because he just kept getting support every set

And then ob nix came out, and became the defacto rakdos commander basically

[glad peak]

I think he’s viable but I don’t think he’ll go past niche

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but viable is one thing, we have a lot of cedh viable commanders

[trail anvil]

in cedh you probably have enough ways to get to a finisher. I feel like I'm more worried if someone ever brings this to a regular edh table

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, at regular tables he'll be crazy

[trail anvil]

when you have a finisher like finale of devastation that's probably fine, I'm more worried about solitaire turns when you don't have a finite wincon

[golden plover]

Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of bad builds of him just sitting there drawing 37 cards

[zinc shard]

Just realized I can make a 5 color Experience Counter deck now

[golden plover]

@lusty trench most people just got elves for this drop

So looks like Norn is a rare bonus card

[sleek ferry]

He’ll be in the Tegrid category of too good for casual, not good enough for cedh probably

[lusty trench]

A themed chase drop? Gross

[golden plover]

Same way Snapcaster is the rare Miku drop

[golden plover]

They've done it before, but it it super gross yeah

[trail anvil]

maybe. I played against him in like a 7ish power pod and thankfully I don't think the player understood how the effect worked entirely in early turns lol

shuko t1 is just a nightmare situation by default

[golden plover]

If they're gonna theme the rare card, I'd like it to be the rats or petitioners or shadowborn

If the card is themed to the lair, it should be a guaranteed bonus card

Funny how that used to be the case

Wait. Norin and Thrun are guaranteed for their respective lairs

Although they're both sub $10 cards

[lusty trench]

Maybe they're just doing them for universes beyonds now

[golden plover]

Nah, those weren't

[lusty trench]

Miku was

[golden plover]

Also, Fallout had a regular bonus card and a chase bonus card

[lusty trench]

And that's the only one with a chase

[golden plover]

Miku also has a regular bonus card and a chase bonus card

[lusty trench]

Ye that's what I mean

[golden plover]

The outlaw lairs have a regular bonus card and a chase one

Since most people get a random elf

But some people get norn

Weird that this drop has all 3 types then

1. Random elf/sliver/walker bonus card
2. Random elf/sliver/Walker for most people, but a chase card (petitioners/rats in the past, themed this time)
3. Themed guaranteed card (although the Miku and Fallout ones have this but it's also a chance. Showcase is ALWAYS norin)

Adding extra FOMO to your FOMO

[granite badge]

bro ppl keep autoscooping when I plot slickshot lmao

[trail anvil]

are you playing ranked or unranked

[granite badge]

unranked

I've been doing about 50/50 of both though

[trail anvil]

well that'll do it

people don't wanna play vs a deck like monored in unranked prolly

[granite badge]

I mean hey free wins is free wins for mastery

I just need like

7 more rare wildcards

To finish gruul aggro

[modern minnow]

picked up 3 slickshots on arena whats the best slickshot deck

[twilit canyon]

prowess

[trail anvil]

casual edh lobby
someone brings slicer with jeweled lotus and mana crypt
doesn't chaos warp the kelsein with a deathtouch counter and sting the glinting dagger

actually it's even worse, they had brotherhood's end but chose the damage mode to clear out some irrelevant creatures

[lusty trench]

You can lead a man to good cards but you can't make them play them right

[golden plover]

Is this MTGO?

[trail anvil]

nah cockatrice

[golden plover]

Ah gotcha

[trail anvil]

free but at a very clear cost

[golden plover]

See, banning the bridges makes the most sense for pauper

But we can't do that because... I'm honestly not sure why?

The artifact lands are banned in modern

No clue why they're pauper legal

I think at one point they were afraid to say "all the bridges are banned"

But it's the right call?

[fallow citrus]

if you hate fun sure

[gritty nest]

The dual color artifact lands?

[fallow citrus]

I think as long as they just don't print all that glitters type cards then they're fine

no stuff like

[[ancient den

[[ancient den]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/276/ancient-den

Ancient Den

Artifact Land
: Add .
Taj-Nar, throne of Raksha Golden Cub, destined leader of the leonin prides.

[fallow citrus]

but yeah also [[mistvault bridge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/249/mistvault-bridge

Mistvault Bridge

Artifact Land
Mistvault Bridge enters the battlefield tapped.
Indestructible
: Add or .
The path to knowledge is forged in hunger.

[golden plover]

I mean it'd slow pauper down a lot, but it'd probably be the safest move going forward now

Otherwise the correct goal is to hit every all that glitters effect and all the good affinity cards

[fallow citrus]

well luckily

they already hit all the glitter effects

[golden plover]

This is all to say if they ban the bridges, I can have [[Atog]] back

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/me4/109/atog

Atog <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Atog
Sacrifice an artifact: Atog gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
1/2

[golden plover]

Atog could never come back, but I can dream

[gritty nest]

Atog

That name is funny

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/cCYmOcxx_VU?si=hy0B-7Z6ZPELhVTE

[stark skiff]

Sorry for late reply but these were the pulls @atomic harness @rigid scarab @sleek ferry

Nothing good I think idk

[twilit canyon]

i see plenty of fetch lands and the new shifting woodlands

thats already some good value

[stark skiff]

Yeah I’m gonna swap for the Borderless Foils one lol. Just personal preference

[golden plover]

Damn that's also like the $150 Ulamog

[trail anvil]

how much did the box cost?

[stark skiff]

400

[trail anvil]

oh shit that's not as bad as I thought, especially with the ulamog then you did really well

[urban crane]

Especially when you factor in serial how much are those now?

[stark skiff]

Oh didn’t look up prices since it’s all presale. Didn’t realize he was 100 lol

[stark skiff]

Idk none up yet on tcg

[rigid scarab]

It always depends with serialized cards

But he defo at least makes the box

Maybe even twice over

[urban crane]

roughly how expensive is a dragon deck?

[glad peak]

Depends on the manabase really

But also dragons by themselves are expensive, gonna run you a couple hundred for the high end dragons alone

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU56od9PeFo

[lusty trench]

Me watching another card market seller send me a card in between two pieces of cardboard with no top loader and with the card poking out of the sleeve

[urban crane]

Sucks doesn’t it

[urban crane]

Got this out of graveyard overdrive

[atomic harness]

Proud of you kid

[golden plover]

Huh [[Shuko]] is modern legal

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bok/159/shuko

Shuko <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"One scratch on a wall meant safe passage, two that the target had already been raided, and three warned of a trap." —Weaponry of Kamigawa

[golden plover]

Think that's worth running with Nadu?

It draws you cards x2 the number of creatures you control for 1 mana

[fallow citrus]

yes

think everyone's said the card is good with nadu

you can play it just for 1 mana, you can play it off of saga, equips for 0

same reasons it's played in cephalid breakfast

[golden plover]

Fair enough

Dunno what other 0 cost equips you'd want

[fallow citrus]

there aren't really any

it's essentially a card you're only playing for the 0 equip cost

so if it's not 1 mana it's not worth playing

[golden plover]

Yeah true. Is there some way to make breakfast work in modern with this?

[lusty trench]

At best there's lightning Greaves but that's just kinda too much even with the evasion

[golden plover]

[[Dryad Arbor]] adds 2 Nadu drops per copy also

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/277/dryad-arbor

Dryad Arbor

Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has ": Add .")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1

[fallow citrus]

well considering illusionist isn't modern legal, no

even then I think it'd struggle more with no daze, fow etc to protect the lines

deck is missing illusionist, nomads, brainstorm, fow, swords, cabal therapy etc

[lusty trench]

We move

My partners prerelease kit was cracked

[sleek ferry]

Grist, ajani, shifting woodland AND ugin’s labyrinth?

That’s hella cracked

I’m assuming you pulled Tamiyo out of yours?

[lusty trench]

Tamiyo was out of a cheeky couple of boosters before my event fires

Got another 15 minutes

Man Tamiyo is so good such an insane turn one play with brainstorm*

*provided your opponent opens nothing at all

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHucD9k558

[subtle tendon]

so for commander, do you basically just pick a legendary creature you like and build around that

or is there some tier list of what the best commanders are

[twilit canyon]

yeah its not a competitive format at all

unless you decide to play competitive edh

in which case the commander you pick does matter

but in general nah its totally arbitrary

just pick what u like and the cards u like

[subtle tendon]

hmm ok

[granite badge]

Yeah half my edh decks end up being themed them with a bunch of ramp on top

[twilit canyon]

right

i guess the general guideline

is to make sure you have enough mana to support your spells

on average, you'll want about 45-48 mana sources in a deck

more or less depending on your commander

the cheaper the commander, the less the mana needed

mana sources can include ramp, fast mana, mana rocks, and mana dorks

and of course lands

[lusty trench]

My prerelease kit is so dog shit I’m actually in awe

How do I have less than 5 creatures in each colour

[subtle tendon]

im mostly updating the eldrazi precon but was just curious

[twilit canyon]

yeah if ur gonna play it casually

just whatever

make sure u have a good amount of ramp/mana

and then your favorite spells/commander

[glad peak]

Yep most times your decks will be fine and your commanders won’t matter

But if you ever play in an LGS for random games or for prizes (even menial) then you have to be ok with losing to decks that are just strictly better than yours

[trail anvil]

I think a lot of it will depend on your playgroup and what power level they like to use, but usually being a 4 player game helps level everything out

[lusty trench]

God damn I’m in 3 colours and colourless

[glad peak]

Maybe colorless matters was a mistake in limited

Unless, how many colorless + colored lands are there in mh3? I haven’t counted rarities either

[lusty trench]

There’s some common colourless land producers and lands in general

[golden plover]

Okay new hellscube is really good

This is such a fun card

I'd unironically play this in EDH

[trail anvil]

lmao

that is funny, it would actually be a decent card

[golden plover]

I kinda wish it was instant speed

Since the downside of picking the wrong permanent can result in you losing something

But it's funny

[trail anvil]

honestly realistically this should be a 4 mana sorcery

you're only really using it when you can for sure destroy 2 nonland permanents

[lusty trench]

Yeah I dropped in prerelease got destroyed match one by someone with spring heart and ocelot pride meanwhile I’m running below curve creatures just to make my list hit 22 playables

[golden plover]

Yeah true, but Hellscube power level is higher than average

It would probably be 3-4 mana realistically tho

[urban crane]

Ren I got really really lucky

Sorry for ping

[golden plover]

Damn, that's like $150 in cards

[urban crane]

It’s actually more also pulled red flare full art foil and retro frame green flare

[urban crane]

Also the stuff I traded or ended up keeping plus retro flair of cultivation

[stark skiff]

Is binding foil? Sell to me if so

What do you do at a prerelease event in mtg? Never gone to one

[urban crane]

No it’s not also already sold it

Same with Ulamog and traded away emrakul for espur sentinel

Also really happy with polluted mana drain and esper

[broken fjord]

2 play boxes, and 1 collectors. 4 ulamogs, 1 emrakul, 1 kozilek, 3 ugins labrynth. Very happy with my pulls.

Traded an ulamog for a play bundle, pulled another. Crazy day.

[golden plover]

We in this

[golden plover]

Opened two [[Arena og Glory]], guess we force Naya

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/215/arena-of-glory

Arena of Glory

Land
Arena of Glory enters the battlefield tapped unless you control a Mountain.
: Add .
, , Exert Arena of Glory: Add . If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn. (An exerted permanent won't untap during your next untap step.)

[twilit canyon]

@subtle tendon yo do u have any [[mind stone]]s?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/232/mind-stone

Mind Stone <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Mind Stone: Draw a card.
"What is mana but possibility, an idea not yet given form?" —Jhoira, master artificer

[twilit canyon]

may be worth keeping in mind fo ran eldrazi list

i have finally gotten a chance to run some sets with mh3

and i had a friend on ug eldrazi

and they got fucking smashed by moon and the new merfolk

and we thought that mind stone may actually be a very very likely card that can solve that sore spot

[subtle tendon]

Yeah, this card has been in the list for awhile

[twilit canyon]

aight good cus i didnt remember if i mentioned it

in our testing it was just brutal without it

[subtle tendon]

I have the Dr who version now

How has Kozelik’s unsealing and nullsridter been performing in testing?

[lusty trench]

My partner pulled another ugins labyrinth and a phyrexian tower in their participation packs

Jesus H Christ

[twilit canyon]

nulldrifter is a fucking house

unsealing was just not good

its way too slow

[fallow citrus]

can't say I'm surprised

[lusty trench]

Why is nulldrifter so good compared with mulldrifter btw

[twilit canyon]

cus its a real card early and late

[fallow citrus]

[[nulldrifter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/13/nulldrifter

Nulldrifter <:mana7:292901508540792835>

Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent.)
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
4/4

[fallow citrus]

[[mulldrifter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/111/mulldrifter

Mulldrifter <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental
Flying
When Mulldrifter enters the battlefield, draw two cards.
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
2/2

[twilit canyon]

cast trigger also means u dont ever struggle to draw cards

[fallow citrus]

also when nulldrifter sticks it has annihilator

[twilit canyon]

mhm

thats what i mean by it being good early and late

early it sets u up

late its actually a threat

[fallow citrus]

assume eldrazi isn't playing tron lands

[twilit canyon]

either way it draws 2 cards

no

its ug

[fallow citrus]

but tron can also play nulldifter pretty well

[twilit canyon]

we did try tron lands

they are just way too slow

[fallow citrus]

yeah just too colour intensive as well I assume

[twilit canyon]

no that wasnt the big issue

[lusty trench]

Ah I see

[twilit canyon]

the big issue was that we frequently had problems with enabling tron or going for the better gameplan

[fallow citrus]

ahh sure

[lusty trench]

Does it being able to be put under ugins lab help?

[twilit canyon]

of course

its one of the big draws to it

let me toss our list into moxfield

[subtle tendon]

Can you show me your list one more time. Gonna stop by the lgs here to pick up the mh3 cards tomorrow

[twilit canyon]

yeah im adding the list we ended up testing

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_9kutYN3pEGy49o_lVkhzA

with the edits

the big thing we found we liked was mind stone

i am unsure if 3 or 4 is correct

ancient stirrings is also super strong here

though

there is some pressure to keep a green source

we added boseiju in the side bc its valuable as hell to have it

chalice was kinda mid against what we tried

we tried energy

and a wight deck

[subtle tendon]

I see you kept my boy thought knot

[twilit canyon]

we also played with jund with raptor and the shifting woodland

[lusty trench]

The titans too slow?

[twilit canyon]

tks is actually kinda goated

thief of existence is super fucking good

but

u only ever really need 2

especially bc dismember is more reliable

also u absolutely need outs to magus of the moon and harbinger of the tides

[fallow citrus]

man devourer really is such a good card

[twilit canyon]

what we found with mind stone in theory is that thanks to basic forest, we can play thief to remove a blood moon

we also thought 15 hits for lab was low

but devourer fixes shit to find it too

[subtle tendon]

the crazy part is that this list looks really cheap

wild

[twilit canyon]

it really is cracked as fuck

oh and one note we found

one ring is good

but its a flex spot for sure

nulldrifter and stirrings and devourer all help fix draws a lot and u rarely felt like u needed too many copies

[subtle tendon]

you never missed any big late game drops?

[twilit canyon]

thats what i was gonna bring up

the only times we felt one ring came up, we felt we could have gotten away with 2 rings

and 2 ulamogs

its likely not correct though

since the huge eldrazi do have a chance to be bricks in hand without tron lands

on the otherhand, games stalling can mean they are super castable

and multiple ring copies come up as a result

we tested matter reshaper and that was also good

instead of thief

but i myself play a lot of decks that use bmoon and thief bails u out vs moon

[subtle tendon]

idk mtg math with 60 cards but maybe just having a single big drop with 3 rings might work things out

[twilit canyon]

it should in theory

[subtle tendon]

cause you have multiple filter cards

[twilit canyon]

for eldrazi its even weirder

4 devourer

53 card deck in opener

[fallow citrus]

well yeah you have devourer drifter ring etc

[twilit canyon]

devourer then eats 3 cards

so its a 50 card deck

with a specific card on top

[fallow citrus]

stirrings, kozi's command sometimes

[twilit canyon]

the alternative is

2 rings

and 2 matter reshapers

[fallow citrus]

pretty sure you can dig for any card if you want

[twilit canyon]

reshaper actually was surprisingly relevant

[subtle tendon]

I imagine you're always hard mulling for ugin's lab tho

• the target for it

[twilit canyon]

we only excluded it bc i will slam a b moon often

[fallow citrus]

yeah but you still also have like

[twilit canyon]

no actually

[fallow citrus]

all those ways to grab the titans during the game

[twilit canyon]

this plays way better than tron usually does when it comes to mulls

which was another big thing that surprised us

u never really struggled to find the lands needed and to cast spells

lab is as good turn 1 as it is turn 4+

[subtle tendon]

have you guys theoried mycospore yet

or was that insta cut

[twilit canyon]

mycospawn?

it was just too slow

[fallow citrus]

still kinda interested in trying an aggro build with mimic and linebreaker

[twilit canyon]

the other one we did try was [[wastescape battlemage]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/17/wastescape-battlemage

Wastescape Battlemage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manac:292901508943577088>

Creature — Eldrazi Wizard
Kicker and/or
When you cast this spell, if it was kicked with its kicker, exile target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
When you cast this spell, if it was kicked with its kicker, return target creature an opponent controls to its owner's hand.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

thief was just better in more situations

[[thief of existence]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/174/thief-of-existence

Thief of Existence <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manac:292901508943577088><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, exile up to one target noncreature, nonland permanent an opponent controls with mana value 4 or less. If you do, Thief of Existence gains "When this creature leaves the battlefield, target opponent draws a card."
3/4

[twilit canyon]

the only thing thief somewhat missed on was leyline binding

but binding is a big whatever since this deck doesnt has a ton of etb

[subtle tendon]

final question, have you tried the mirror yet

[twilit canyon]

which mirror?

i dont believe so

[subtle tendon]

eldrazi mirror

[twilit canyon]

oh lol

eldrazi mirror match

i thought u meant a mirror card

i was like which one

uhh no we wanted to get as much match up variety as we could before testing mirror and then i had to run home

[subtle tendon]

the state im currently in is one of the biggest for modern apparently so I'm expecting a few people on it

[twilit canyon]

are u in virginia?

[subtle tendon]

gonna just buy everything this weekend and then play locals this next week

[subtle tendon]

I live in VA but I'm staying in Maryland this summer

[twilit canyon]

ah yea i live in baltimore rn

[subtle tendon]

baltimore MD?

[twilit canyon]

ya

[subtle tendon]

that's crazy because im in baltimore lmao

do you go to level up or mtgfirst?

[twilit canyon]

yeah i figured when u said that

i dont actually play at either consistently

since my friends who play magic out here are in pa

when i go to fnm i go to a place i think its west chester?

right outside philly

may be kennett square

all i know is i go off 95 to get there

[subtle tendon]

70 miles away 💀

[twilit canyon]

yeah more or less lol

im here for my grad program not to play magic ultimately

much as i wanna go hardcore grinding modern here

[subtle tendon]

Are you also going to JHU?

[twilit canyon]

i dropped a fat load of cards at level up games before tho

[twilit canyon]

im in the grad program at university of baltimore

the one on n charles

tho since it is summer, im likely gonna travel west to utah

visit parents and shit

trying to get my little brother into magic now too

[subtle tendon]

That’s crazy

Small world

[twilit canyon]

true for sure

i may try and show up to mtgfirst before summer ends i dont think i have gone to

[trail anvil]

I'm hoping this is after the event given the food lol

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon how you feeling about the energy colors, are we sticking with Temur or splashing white also?

[twilit canyon]

we tried 5c

not for nothing but that we kinda just could

we were already 4c non-black and said may as well splash

[sleek ferry]

Got a list? I had a theory in mind, but I’m interested to see where you went with it

[twilit canyon]

1 sec im on the ride back home

ill start putting it up on moxfield

[sleek ferry]

All g, no rush

Me and bio were saying how we think tamiyo is too low rn price wise

[golden plover]

Nah I got to eat right before

[twilit canyon]

the tldr of it was of energy list that raptor is a beast of a card

and fueling it cant be wrong

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, raptor is goated

https://youtu.be/v4ogqeDlN2M?si=WhPx6Kl8wd0jjVI2

[lusty trench]

Apparently there’s a print issue with mdfcs in mh3, cards being printed with a different cards reverse side

[golden plover]

Oh nice

[stark skiff]

Got a chance to buy one more collector?

Should I go for it lol

[golden plover]

Rares in my pre-release kit

Not great, but I was able to make a pretty decent sealed deck

[twilit canyon]

honestly ill finish putting shit tomorrow. but tldr we tried 2 builds. a storm list with primal prayers + greenbelt rampager and we then tried another more midrange focused list. we ended up going 5c just for leyline binding but it was just kinda mid version of jund raptor anyways

[stark skiff]

Bought another collector

@rigid scarab @atomic harness

[fallow citrus]

ooooh full art ugin's lab

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IkS1x9yWvvw

[zinc shard]

Phyrexian Invasion of Ixalan Colorized

[twilit canyon]

good lord. what is going down in the metal ranks

[zinc shard]

I've never really been able to dedicate myself to grinding to the higher ranks, I'm gonna work on it this season

[waxen timber]

Got first at my locals pre-release with Gruul Self mill

Mill yourself a ton with cards like Glimpse the impossimble and then kill them with detective phoenix

[golden plover]

Went 2-1 in sealed

Naya feels really good in this limited

[trail anvil]

I cannot wait for grenzo to be hell queue'd

but then nadu is gonna be the next thing fucking terrorizing the queue lmao

[stark skiff]

Yeah got 1 foil and 1 nonfoil

Sold the Emrakul foil for 105

[trail anvil]

yeah lmao

[stark skiff]

lol my bad was in a rush and meant to reply to this. 1 foil and nonfoil!

[stark skiff]

Box paying for itself!

[trail anvil]

TIL gluntch does not actually trigger freestrider lookout this is terrible

didn't realize it was a choose effect and not target

[lusty trench]

HA

[urban crane]

Regular or collectors?

[sudden lava]

Naga errata'd to snakes now

[golden plover]

It's been that way since MKM

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/SteelCitySteph/status/1799301828016021742 blame this post

Steph ✈️ CF Tacoma (@SteelCitySteph) on X

IT. IS. TIME.

HAPPY NAGAS ARE SNAKES DAY, EVERYONE!!!!
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 4:45 AM

[lusty trench]

Anyone know how retrace and bestow interact?

[glad peak]

[[eidolon of countless]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/7/eidolon-of-countless-battles

Eidolon of Countless Battles <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Bestow (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.)
Eidolon of Countless Battles and enchanted creature each get +1/+1 for each creature you control and +1/+1 for each Aura you control.
0/0

[glad peak]

You can cast it as an aura

[hidden ermine]

Yep

I believe Bestows rule text explicitely says "from any zone you could cast it from"

[golden plover]

Oh speaking of Bestow, it came up a lot last night that counters don't fall off Bestow creatures when they move from being an aura to a creature

Had lots of judge calls about it

[urban crane]

People opinion on flares?

[golden plover]

I think the red and white ones are potentially very solid. Green and blue are niche, and I think the black one is fine

[urban crane]

Blue is definitely really hyped i mean zero mana counterspell

[golden plover]

Yeah, but how many blue decks have non token creatures sitting around to sacc to it

[barren cairn]

I bought prerelease

Hopefully we get good stuff

[gritty nest]

Stonks

Pulls from sample packs

[stark skiff]

Wow struck it rich

[golden plover]

Oh right, who wanted this

[golden plover]

@lusty trench new production issue: Sometimes you can get an MKM card in your pre-release packs

[rigid scarab]

We gottem there gentlemen

Now they have to play MKM

[sudden lava]

Leak time

AC leaks, I hope you like a reprint and red white

[fallow citrus]

I actually like that alt frame

[trail anvil]

aren't these official reveals?

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1799214760833040445

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic) on X

IGN Live is here, wonder if we'll have anything to share…

Keep 👀 on @IGN this weekend #MTGxAC. #IGNLive

Twitter · Jun 7, 2024, 11:00 PM

[sudden lava]

I got it from a rumor site so

I dont think so

[trail anvil]

this was apparently shown at the IGN event

[copper pecan]

how is that a spear

the handle is barely as long as the blade is

that's just a sword with a long handle

[golden plover]

Ask assassin's Creed

Oh right, it's that it broke or something

[stark skiff]

Let’s go!

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455868205181698058/1249121671839748176/image.png?ex=666626b6&is=6664d536&hm=af5a620b5e85ee21e46a8aee734c9a75625a7a179837ef83ffc4cbe95dbafaa4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=753&height=662

[lusty trench]

Based deck choice

[golden plover]

It's definitely the best one

One of the LGS employees last night said that the Eldrazi precon is too strong at casual tables and I wanted to ask if he actually read any card in it

My phone corrected "in it" to "innit"

Hate it

[lusty trench]

Innit bruv

[lusty trench]

The eldrazi precon when a single boardwipe drops (they have lost all their tempo and their hand size is at a solid 2)

[golden plover]

Or just when they kill Ulalek

Whoops guess I'm out

[lusty trench]

I'll standby the best way to build ulalek is colourless

[golden plover]

I mean you want a couple devoid cards

But that precon is trying to do like 5 things

[lusty trench]

When the ugin is binding

[golden plover]

A lot of modern precons are tho

Like, I've got the MKM Boros one that I'm slowly upgrading for teaching friends the game

It's got 3 subthemes

[lusty trench]

My main issue with tricky terrain is you're often left with a bunch of mana and nothing else to do with it

[golden plover]

It's got "Enchanted creatures matter", "goading matters", "burn" , and whatever the fuck they're trying to do with new feather

Like I don't need all of these themes

Cut the auras and focus on goading or whatever

[trail anvil]

does that precon actually do broken stuff? I remember a lot of the preview cards feeling underwhelming to me but idk I might have to revisit it

azlask seemed like a better commander anyhow

[trail anvil]

very poggers

[lusty trench]

It doesn't out the box

It just doesn't have enough ways to protect itself

[trail anvil]

I got the impression most of the good eldrazi were in the main set too

[lusty trench]

They are, there's some decent ones in the precon for sure but they're nothing busted

Honestly the best eldrazi this set have are rare or lower

The titans feel somewhat underwhelming

Which is insane cause they actually read good

[trail anvil]

even the emrakul that takes control of all creatures from one player?

[stark skiff]

Is there dupes in these collectors commander precons?

[lusty trench]

Shouldn't be?

[stark skiff]

Got 2 Yavimaya Cradles

[lusty trench]

Show what you got and I'll tell you what you're missing

[lusty trench]

Emmy is fine in the way all titans are, big effect on a big body, but eldrazi tribal decks don't usually have a way to make use of her madness cost so she's just another game ender

[stark skiff]

Counted it up and I have 101 cards lol

[lusty trench]

https://tenor.com/view/not-mine-paper-mario-gif-18116607

[trail anvil]

of all the dupes to get, that's one hell of a dupe lmao

any tips y'all have for mh3 limited? going to prerelease soon

[granite badge]

My lgs cancelled mh3 prerelease

Cause of distro issues

Half my local base isn't planning on doing it anyway cause its $70 apparently

[lusty trench]

You're playing jeskai energy or abzan modified

If you can't build either of those good luck

White is so strong because it has a ton of efficient removal this set

The bestow hydra is also nutty in green

[lusty trench]

After testing tricky terrain... Omo lacking any card draw in the command zone hurts so much

[trail anvil]

you do stall out by there are definitely a lot of solutions you can fit in the 99

[lusty trench]

A rhystic and a remora would do wonders yeah, wondering if it's just better to run tatyova as the commander

[barren cairn]

Man

I got absolutely blasted in prerelease

Got hit with Emrakul twice in the same round

[lusty trench]

Mh3 pre release absolutely feels like you either open the nuts or lose to those that opened the nuts

[trail anvil]

tatyova is just a different commander

like both get a ton of mana but I feel like omo is better at creature synergies

[lusty trench]

Issue is the deck out the box isn't made for creature synergies

[trail anvil]

I mean like, if you just wanna do commander precons sure

it doesn't take that much money in upgrades though

[lusty trench]

Mainly just working with what I got rn, I added landfall synergies and might just cut omo entirely

[trail anvil]

yeah that's a tatyova deck I guess doesn't really seem that interesting to me but to each their own

[lusty trench]

It's just it's what I signed up for when I got the deck, I feel like omo was a very strange choice for a commander given there's like maybe 3 cards that care about things having all of their card types in the precon

[trail anvil]

I think the precon itself is built weird yeah

but I think this one was more put together as a blank slate with the manabase stronger than usual

[golden plover]

Naya Aggro is very strong

As is the energy deck

Eldrazi is very underwhelming

I didn't get to play against Rakdos or anything, so I dunno how they felt

But being the aggresor in sealed feels righ

[trail anvil]

my rares & mythics. insanely good for value, not so good for winning games lol

[stark skiff]

Nice

[trail anvil]

participation pack pull too

last one, I promise

[stark skiff]

Dw I’m gonna send a pic of my pickups today in a bit

[stark skiff]

Picked up these foils today

@rigid scarab @atomic harness

[gritty nest]

I upgraded the eldrazi incursion precon already

It is now not as shit but still kinda shit

I added all 10 talismans

And echoes of eternity because I pulled that

and Zhulodok for infinite cascade but we don’t talk about that

[gritty nest]

on a serious note, would you guys like to hear my thoughts on the precons out of the box?

[urban crane]

Shure

[gritty nest]

Eldrazi Incursion - Shenanigans turbo. The deck has the gimmick of "eldrazi are rude" but out of the box the deck doesnt have too many good options that are good singularly or copied. Ulalek causes the stack to go from a stack to spaghetti, I think its good but definitely needs some updates. Mana base out of the box is surprisingly not shit for a 5c precon. 7/10

Creative Energy - I didnt play this one, my friend did, the deck actually you know, doesnt suck for being energy. It even has a 3 card infinite combat/energy setup. The deck is pretty decent out of the box and more upgrades makes it even better. 8/10

Graveyard Overdrive - Why no tarmogoyf? Seriously though, I'm not a fan of graveyard strategies, but the deck does the shenanigans good, it knows what it wants to do and does it decently. The deck has good ramp for a jund precon, compared to the other decks. With a few changes I can see this deck being disgusting, 7/10

Tricky Terrain - The idea is fun but Omo being the only way for the everything counters do anything for you is kinda mid. Omo afaik is the only card currently to even make or care about Everything counters, it needed the counters do their thing without Omo to make it competent for an incompetent deck. The deck doesn't have any synergy and is trying to do too many things at once (unironically.) The deck needs a lot of work if you want Omo to work, or reworked entirely for Jhoti. 5/10.

[stark skiff]

The Eldrazi deck is better suited for Azlask and not the face commander. CE is fine. TT is great. If the counters did their own thing it would be busted. Changeling lands and creatures allows for fun interactions with other cards.

[urban crane]

Yeah played tricky terrain at precon table 2 peeps were on it it ramps so definitely can be scary but yeah nothing crazy in my opinion

[stark skiff]

out of the box it doesnt do anything crazy but theres so many directions you could take it, which is the appeal

and yeah changeling lands allow you to ramp like crazy.

[urban crane]

I definitely agree yeah out of the box really mid

[gritty nest]

at minimum it could have added maze's end

[urban crane]

What are some good spellslinger commanders? Ones that don’t make me arch enemy

[gritty nest]

yes

Stella Lee is pretty good

[stark skiff]

he said he doesnt wanna be arch enemy

[urban crane]

Exactly

[gritty nest]

you're playing spellslinger

like not trying to sound mean, i cant think of a spellslinger deck that wouldnt make you an enemy. the goal of the deck is just go ham with spells and either flood the board or KO via effect damage. You're going to be wanting to do that goal quickly and efficently, becoming a target is going to happen

[trail anvil]

idk about maze's end cause that goes pretty heavy in the gate direction, but I think baldur's gate should've been in there considering tron and cloudpost were

[gritty nest]

fair

[trail anvil]

I just wish they did a bit more for the creature synergy. putting in poison dart frog is insulting when that could've been even a harabraz druid

at least they included scute swarm and rampaging baloths

[gritty nest]

it would be but the deck isnt about playing 6 lands a turn

at least out the box its not

[trail anvil]

time to add a [[reshape the earth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/249/reshape-the-earth

Reshape the Earth <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to ten land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"The land is not dead, merely dormant. It will awaken if you know how to ask." —Gilanra, Caller of Wirewood

[gritty nest]

thats golden

[urban crane]

Also looked trough bulk found this

Better picture

[gritty nest]

ooo

[dim aspen]

does something like Scryfall exist for yugioh?

[copper pecan]

closest thing is yugipedia

[dim aspen]

more specifically, i wanted to estimate card prices

[granite badge]

!pricecheck

oh the bot isn't in this thread

[dim aspen]

i'll check this command out later with some cards i own

[golden plover]

Okay yeah as expected, [[Nyxborn Hydra]] should not have been common lmao

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/164/nyxborn-hydra

Nyxborn Hydra <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Hydra
Bestow (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached.)
Reach, trample
Nyxborn Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on Nyxborn Hydra and has reach and trample.
0/1

[golden plover]

Card decides too many limited games

[lusty trench]

Card is so dumb

[urban crane]

Peeps without looking it up what’s the most played commander that comes from a precon on edhrec

[lusty trench]

It’s either ur dragon or lathril

No wait atraxa final answer

[urban crane]

It’s ur yes

[lusty trench]

Ah shit should’ve gone with my gut

[urban crane]

Unless atraxa comes from a precon?

[lusty trench]

She does

[urban crane]

Oh than it’s atraxa

[lusty trench]

Victory

[urban crane]

You should see how many of the popular commanders come from precons

It’s actually kinda interesting how many do

[granite badge]

og atraxa profilerates right

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah I can see it even getting a pauper ban

[rigid scarab]

They are definitively the most advertised commanders

[urban crane]

Fair but also really good aswell like atraxa ur dragon wilhelt edgar markov

For the ones that appear in top 10

[glad peak]

A couple of them are also just good in commander because they were designed around it

Like the partners

[urban crane]

Yeah true

[glad peak]

Or value pieces that get better as the game goes on and has protection of some kind or at least a way to guarantee value

[subtle tendon]

commander is a weird format

feel kind of bad killing a player but I guess it happens

[lusty trench]

You’re not allowed to kill people solar

That’s an illegal

[subtle tendon]

I ulaleked a hideous taskmaster to steal like 8 cards and just used all of them to attack one player

he was kind of quiet after that so i felt bad

[glad peak]

And you can use this to your advantage by playing a super greedy combo deck and tell people you’re going to be sad if they hit you even once

[modern minnow]

My favourite play is the "if you get rid of my value engine I'll concede"

[sleek ferry]

This high key makes me do it more ngl

[trail anvil]

usually I try to justify it with something dumb to make me feel slightly better like "he killed my x"

or "I'm about to die if that's left unchecked"

but a lot of the time I just play group slug so I don't have to choose

[subtle tendon]

I just did it because he was also playing Eldrazi and had 2 annihilator 2 on field already

I can see now how dumb of a mechanic it is

Especially when you have cards that spam give it

[copper pecan]

yeah i remember maro saying that annihilator is almost definitely never going to come back in a standard set because of how even a single card with it can completely take over the game

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah fuck that

If he had a creature with annihilator

It was justified

You could have also cut a deal with them

[stark skiff]

It’s why I’m saying the second commander of the precon is the real star

[sleek ferry]

“Hey so I can kill you this turn because I’m worried about your x, if you promise not to attack me during your next turn, I’ll let you live”

[trail anvil]

honestly you're gonna have to get used to that. some players are gonna feel bad but sometimes they just put a threat that demands being answered and you need to answer it

[stark skiff]

Yeah pretty much

[trail anvil]

if you don't have permanent removal the next best thing is player removal

[subtle tendon]

Taskmaker basically makes 3 creatures with annil 1 so you’re attacking with 4 annil 1 after having stole their cards. Double it if your commander was in field

[trail anvil]

that's why I avoid certain cards, some stuff just puts a huge target on your back

[sleek ferry]

I’m not looking forward to casual commander tables having an Eldrazi player at them ngl

[stark skiff]

Just play bad cards and no one will hit you ez

[sleek ferry]

Luckily this has 0 effect on cedh

[stark skiff]

They know what they sign up for when they bring that

[trail anvil]

time to run summary dismissal or whirlwind denial to handle the on cast triggers

[subtle tendon]

1v1 me commander. No annihalater, no counter spells, no basic lands, no poison. Best of 27

[stark skiff]

Final destination only

[sleek ferry]

Oh you experienced the bullshit that is losing to poison counters?

It’s legitly the only mechanic that makes me salty when playing standard

[subtle tendon]

Yeah I lost to it

[twilit canyon]

i avoid playing casual as much as possible

[trail anvil]

I'm less mad at poison existing and more venerated rotpriest existing

[twilit canyon]

but if i do, i kill indiscriminately

[subtle tendon]

Unblockable + indestructible 11/11 guy with poison lol

[trail anvil]

triggering on target for poison has to be the most annoying mechanic with poison

[twilit canyon]

if they wanted to live they should have guarded themselves from lethal on my end

[pulsar talon]

Just play leeches smh

[sudden lava]

May I interest you in group hug

[subtle tendon]

hug?

[sleek ferry]

If only [[render inert]] removed counters from players

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/123/render-inert

Render Inert <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Remove up to five counters from target permanent.
Draw a card.
As New Phyrexia phased out of existence, glistening oil all across the Multiverse was cut off from its source. The compleated invaders ceased to function and crumpled to the ground.

[subtle tendon]

what a human response

wait

the poison shit is counters?

[sleek ferry]

Yeah

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOpPdUVzrE&ab_channel=MaldHound

[subtle tendon]

ok im just dumb lmao

[trail anvil]

[[gluntch, the bestower]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/275/gluntch-the-bestower

Gluntch, the Bestower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Jellyfish
Flying
At the beginning of your end step, choose a player. They put two +1/+1 counters on a creature they control. Choose a second player to draw a card. Then choose a third player to create two Treasure tokens.
0/5

[subtle tendon]

there's a card in the precon that is just a hard counter to that then

[trail anvil]

hug with noodly appendages

[subtle tendon]

omg im dumb af lmaooooo

[trail anvil]

oof

[twilit canyon]

group hug is about the lamest thing u can do

it often becomes the best deck at the table + the group hug deck making it so said deck is just even stronger

[trail anvil]

that's when you do group hug poorly

gotta give out the resources better

[sudden lava]

That's what happens when you forget step 3, girlboss

[twilit canyon]

under the guise of "im helping everyone" but in reality its just going to benefit the best deck

[twilit canyon]

at which point may as well play 2 headed giant

or 2v2

[sleek ferry]

The best group hug commander is the ones that give your opponents something in return for giving you something 2-3 times as good. Like the silver quill commanders come to mind

Slicer is technically group hug

[subtle tendon]

[[muttated cultist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/53/mutated-cultist

Mutated Cultist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Eldrazi Horror
Devoid
When you cast this spell, remove all counters from up to one target permanent or opponent. The next spell you cast this turn costs less to cast for each counter removed this way.
Deathtouch
It tirelessly gurgles Emrakul's blessings from inhuman mouths.
1/3

[subtle tendon]

oh it's only oppnents

nvr

[trail anvil]

rn I'm just doing the basic "generous patron smothering tithe" for fun stuff

[trail anvil]

smh slicer is group slug

the distinction is important even if both are fun

[sleek ferry]

Tbh, idk if this is a hot take or not

But playing vs slicer makes you a better commander player

Too many commander players lack urgency

[twilit canyon]

falling asleep at the commander table

[subtle tendon]

well there's no stakes in commander games

[twilit canyon]

thats crazy

[trail anvil]

I feel like there are better ways to achieve that

[subtle tendon]

it's all casual

like is there a reason to get better at commander if you don't play edh

[sudden lava]

they tempting me with a bunny commander

[twilit canyon]

i just archenemy my cedh list vs casual tables. they understand often rq that they arent about that life

[sleek ferry]

It depends tbh. Like I personally enjoy the higher powered commander tables or just cedh where everybody is just saying fuck you to each other

[twilit canyon]

well ur not supposed to be outright like that

petty moves that are suboptimal arent good

[sudden lava]

Oh yeah 9 days away from spoiler season

for AC

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I’m not talking about suboptimal moves, I’m talking about having a real sense of threat

[twilit canyon]

sure but that doesnt matter really outside if cedh imo

[trail anvil]

I like optimizing my list to make the game as fun as possible

[twilit canyon]

mfers will see a doubling season cast and get scared

like lmao

[trail anvil]

that's part of the reason I went with gluntch, to speed up the slow player/whoever ate removal

[lusty trench]

I have heard people asking for doubling season to be banned because it's "too strong"

[twilit canyon]

yeah thats crazy

[lusty trench]

Negate is like 5p

[twilit canyon]

so is naturalize

[sleek ferry]

I legit, cannot tell you the last time I saw doubling season at a table

[twilit canyon]

i havent seen it either but the last time i played in casual was like

4-5 months ago?

[lusty trench]

Legit even in my token decks it feels awful to slam down because 5 mana is a lot to pay for something that does nothing when you play it

[trail anvil]

the only time I see it as actually must answer is superfriends cause staring down 6 emblems ain't it

[twilit canyon]

oh i also see ppl freak out about [[guardian project]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/146/guardian-project

Guardian Project <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it doesn't have the same name as another creature you control or a creature card in your graveyard, draw a card.
Simic's strength comes from its diversity.

[sleek ferry]

Holy hell

I haven’t seen guardian project since when I first got into commander

[twilit canyon]

its become more popular recently ig

[[$guardian project]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/146/guardian-project

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[twilit canyon]

commander players will show me the most mid cards imaginable and call them threats

[sleek ferry]

I will say, there’s certain cards I won’t play in casual just because they’re a bitch and a half to resolve when they make you play it out

Like [[mizzix’s mastery]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/175/mizzixs-mastery

Mizzix's Mastery <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile target card that's an instant or sorcery from your graveyard. For each card exiled this way, copy it, and you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. Exile Mizzix's Mastery.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[lusty trench]

I like mizzix mastery because sometimes people will scoop without checking what's in your grave

[sleek ferry]

I mean yeah, I expect people to just scoop if you overload it, but there’s always that 1 person that asks you to play it out

And then you’re sitting there planning out your sequencing

More trouble than it’s worth tbh

[trail anvil]

what I wanna play right now is that sorcery that exiles another sorcery/instant and copies it 3 times

[sleek ferry]

The what now

[lusty trench]

Memory deluge?

[trail anvil]

I'm trying to do some [[arcane barrage]] type shit

[lost widget]

No card found for “arcane barrage”

[trail anvil]

not memory deluge that's the standard card

[[arcane bombardment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/154/arcane-bombardment

Arcane Bombardment <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell each turn, exile an instant or sorcery card at random from your graveyard. Then copy each card exiled with Arcane Bombardment. You may cast any number of the copies without paying their mana costs.

[twilit canyon]

last time i played casual ppl got mad at me attacking them with ukkima bc its unblockable

[lusty trench]

Mnemonic deluge?

[sleek ferry]

Lmaooo you were playing your cedh commanders in casual?

[trail anvil]

that doesn't sound like a good pod lol

[twilit canyon]

powered down

i told them i had proxies for non-cedh and they got mad at proxies

so i said aight your funeral

[sleek ferry]

Who the hell gets mad at proxies lol

[trail anvil]

lmao

[sleek ferry]

I hope you killed those kids

[twilit canyon]

i did

even without food chain

[trail anvil]

I've been lucky to somehow not run into one of those pods yet

[twilit canyon]

i have other ways to instantly win the game even if inefficient

i killed that guy through commander damage with ukkima

[subtle tendon]

btw how do you shuffle this shit

[twilit canyon]

i part the deck in 2

and then shuffle each half

[sleek ferry]

Just cut it in half and shuffle each Half

[lusty trench]

You get your hired shufflers to do it for you

[trail anvil]

are my hands just big, I can just shuffle the whole thing at once

[subtle tendon]

yeah

[twilit canyon]

your hands must be big

[subtle tendon]

vi cosplay

[trail anvil]

well my hands are big but I figured it was feasible

[sleek ferry]

You know what they say about big hands

[trail anvil]

nice

[sleek ferry]

Big gloves

[trail anvil]

do you double sleeve

[twilit canyon]

of course

[subtle tendon]

no

[trail anvil]

ah that'll change it

[subtle tendon]

2lazy

[twilit canyon]

im not leaving my reserve list shit unsleeved

[trail anvil]

understandable lmao

I don't think I want to own a deck that expensive

I saw a guy bridge shuffling at prerelease and I died a little inside

[sleek ferry]

Nah no way

If I saw anybody bridge shuffling I’m calling the cops

[trail anvil]

honestly even when I see someone bending a $40 card I get a little apprehensive

I play with a dude who runs reserve list cards in his casual deck and he almost got his backpack soaked by another dude who seems like he's permanently on shrooms who spilled his coke

[fallow citrus]

that would give me heart issues

[stark skiff]

Shuffle my deck thugs

[fallow citrus]

bridge shuffling seems way more common in mtg

[trail anvil]

I really hope you haven't seen it enough times to give it a "more" distinction

[sleek ferry]

https://x.com/tankofjank/status/1799854001099530696?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Perry, Booked through June (@TankofJank) on X

This person wins playmat of the day.

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 5:20 PM

[sudden lava]

https://x.com/FoxNoctom/status/1799806097102192843

FoxNoctom, Magic card Alterist! (@FoxNoctom) on X

Continuing my tradition of altering a card on prerelease weekend!
Gengar is love, Gengar is life!

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 2:09 PM

[lusty trench]

Is this implying gengar made a throne out of clafairy corpses

[sudden lava]

perhaps

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/OKZ5QG23MtY?si=5iAW2uRysnJyAqOW

[lusty trench]

I'm fighting my primal urge to sell my edh staples to purchase the new titans