I'm so scared for the manabase
#Magic the Gathering
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twilit canyon
i already posted it
its interesting and iirc 3100 gems worth of value and since the otj bp wont end, theres some merit to this if it was about 1k gems cheaper
which tbh i already messaged chris and ian about
trail anvil
so there's no way to get further value if you cap it? even uncommon ICRs would be nice
no gems is also a bit rough when you don't wanna spend that much on gems
although ig you do get most back from the draft token if you hit 7 wins
lusty trench
golden plover
Huh that's neat
trail anvil
why do neither of the eldrazi posted here today actually synergize with ulalek 
sorry all of them*
clever sun
That's precons for ya
The value behind precons are awful
Don't buy them and get singles instead
golden plover
Yeah outside of the one crazy land, there's really nothing in this precon that you'd want
golden plover
Yeah, why not make him the face then?
golden plover
Could have even done the 5c Devoid thing there too tho
Or just swap the names
I feel like most precons are better with the alternative commander in the face slot, outside of like BRO
Hell, Elsha and Sevinne were the same precon
lusty trench
I always found the eldrazis strategy to be kinda shit, either go in with the Scion strategy and overwhelm to syphon a planes mana or do it yourself, the titans unwillingness to make their avatars spawners causes them to lose massive amounts of usable forces
Lore wise they're these super powerful beings who's mere existence warps reality meanwhile they're losing to girl who burns shit good and zombie woman
trail anvil
which one was the other commander again
lusty trench
One thing of note is these commanders aren't full art by default like the thunder junction ones, which could mean this set was finished before thunder junction (likely due to the whole epilogue flop they had to sort)
trail anvil
jesus lol
twilit canyon
this one is super ass
golden plover
They're both super ass
trail anvil
this looks hilarious to me
lusty trench
Eldrazi in general are not amazing in commander
twilit canyon
nah ulalek is just kinda ass
golden plover
This one is at least playable out the box (ignoring the mana base) as a "hehe big guys" commander
Ulalek is best used for like colorless storm?
trail anvil
I just wanna spam scions and spawns to do a crazy amount of annihilator
twilit canyon
miles better than a grey ogre
lusty trench
This one is at least playable out the box (ignoring the mana base) as a "hehe bi...
The idea behind ulalek is inherently win more
golden plover
You've gotta get both grapeshot/brain freeze and a colorless Eldrazi on the stack at the same time
lusty trench
Hes meant to copy your big on cast triggers
golden plover
But you'd need like an Emrakul or something for that
And you know they're not putting those into the precons
golden plover
Could we at least get a reprint of that card that does all their etbs from Commander Masters
lusty trench
Is it cool? Certainly? Is it actually helpful for the eldrazi strategy? Hell no
lusty trench
Could we at least get a reprint of that card that does all their etbs from Comma...
Have to wait and see on reprints sadly
golden plover
[[Rise of the Eldrazi]], right?
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lusty trench
It's like $5 so it might get a reprint
sudden lava
1 commander is BOGO, the other is mass land destruction.
broken fjord
I really like Ulalek. But the precon doesn't seem to have a ton of synergy with it.
sudden lava
entered a giveaway for the eldrazi precon, if I get it I'll play it
lusty trench
I wonder if they'll reprint another titan in this
Oblivion sower still being reprinted at mythic doesn't give me much hope though
lusty trench
Completely forgot we're getting a morphon reprint in the eldrazi deck
Kinda big for it
twilit canyon
thats zendikar angel thing
trail anvil
ye
twilit canyon
its good art
trail anvil
did we talk about talon gates btw
this card seems insane as a land, especially if you can put it onto the battlefield at instant speed with something like growth spiral
also you can even put it onto the battlefield with uro and phase him out before the sac
broken fjord
Yeah, that land is great
trail anvil
4 mana to play itself seems great as a backup too
actually it might be used a ton since it's uncounterable
subtle tendon
The locals here is selling the Eldrazi incursion precon for $130 
subtle tendon
Too late buddy
trail anvil
tell us how it goes
subtle tendon
We don’t even have decklists yet right
lusty trench
Can always cancel if the reprints are bad
twilit canyon
not the whole of it
lusty trench
sleek ferry
the precon isnt worth even 10
The precon could have a literal pile of shit inside of it, and it would still sell like hot cakes because it’s an Eldrazi precon
lusty trench
It could and does
sleek ferry
Commander players are easily swayed
subtle tendon
This locals has 1 copy of the old Eldrazi precon so I could always just swap it for that probably worst come to worst
copper pecan
We don’t even have decklists yet right
the whole thing leaked earlier today, it's not good
lusty trench
The old eldrazi precon just isn't an eldrazi precon
copper pecan
absolutely not worth $130
subtle tendon
Deadass? You got a link?
sleek ferry
The old one is probably better in terms of card quality
lusty trench
Nah we don't have reprints yet salt
lusty trench
Morphon was leaked as one iirc
subtle tendon
How many cards are left
lusty trench
Which helps the 5c strat ig
sleek ferry
Yeah reprints determine a lot for the precons
Who knows, maybe they put cavern of souls in the precon
modern minnow
i hope they didnt forget to print the eldrazi land into the eldrazi precon
would be like forgetting sliver hive in a sliver precon
modern minnow
corrupted crossroads maybe temple if we ask nicely enough
sleek ferry
Temple of Eldrazi?
I could see it
Give us temple and cavern of souls and now you peaked my interest
sleek ferry
Let me dream jot
modern minnow
temple is like 5 quid surely its a reasonable reprint
golden plover
oh right i forgot about reprints
The new land is insane
@copper pecan this card is in the eldrazi precon
It's not worth the value, but this is easily like a $60 card if it's not reprinted
waxen timber
Doesn't seem that good to me.
Mana fixing wise is worse reflecting pool.
The ramp is okay-ish. It may come up if you flood out too much.
The Horizon land draw is probably the best part of the card but, you could also just play a horizion land
stark skiff
The locals here is selling the Eldrazi incursion precon for $130 <:PeepoCry:6527...
yeah most places have it in the $100 range
waxen timber
copper pecan
i've been using synthesizer in rusko and it's pretty fun
golden plover
Doesn't seem that good to me.
Mana fixing wise is worse reflecting pool.
The r...
It's colorless city of brass + ramp + a draw on one card
Shits insanely versatile
trail anvil
it's a city of brass that means you always have something to do with your mana
actually it's closer to the [[silent clearing]] cycle but reflecting pool instead of 2 mana, and a ramp mode. so worse if you don't draw the right colors but better if you do
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zinc shard
P1 P1?
twilit canyon
[[great train heist]]
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zinc shard
Feeling good about this
golden plover
@lusty trench HOLY SHIT LMAO
ALL 10 PAIN LANDS!!!
2 RANDOM BLACK TEMPLES BABY!!!
What the fuck is this
lusty trench
NO TEMPLE OF THE FALSE GODS ILL TAKE IT
golden plover
This is an unplayable mana base
Love when all my lands enter tapped
No big Eldrazi reprints
Couldn't even throw in an [[It that Betrays]]?
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lusty trench
kozileks return as a mythic
golden plover
Not even good ugin
fallow citrus
pain lands actually aren't bad for the eldrazi deck though?
they all make colourless + the colours you'll want for the creatures/spells
lusty trench
Nah pain lands is more than I was expecting tbh
golden plover
They're like fine, but they're not great
lusty trench
Of note only 3 of the lands enter tapped
golden plover
I'd rather them over temple of the false gods
fallow citrus
I mean you'd probably play the pain lands in modern eldrazi when this set drops
golden plover
This still looks unplayable out the box, but it's an Eldrazi precon. It's gonna sell no matter
lusty trench
You got a link to the reveal pope?
fallow citrus
seeing all these deserts getting released this set makes me want to build [[hazezon]]
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fallow citrus
fuuck
golden plover
We all knew these were gonna be bad, but damn
fallow citrus
[[hazezon, shaper of sand]]
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golden plover
I even got it at a discount
Depends on how much you're paying for it
It's like very technically $60 of value
lusty trench
I'm still super confused on the point of half of these cards
golden plover
And again, the Horizon land is probably gonna be like $40+ on its own
lusty trench
Why isn't eldrazi confluence kindred
golden plover
It is, their site just uses older images
But yeah, if nothing else you can tear it apart for a better Eldrazi deck and keep the $45 land that's gonna be necessary for every commander deck ever now
lusty trench
I honestly don't think that land is that good
It's good don't get me wrong
It's just kinda reflecting pool but with some stuff you can sink mana into though
golden plover
It's city of brass + ramp + card draw
Maybe I'm wrong, but the versatility makes that really nasty
golden plover
Yeah true. Still very useful
lusty trench
Got a friend to buy me out of getting the deck
Hey pope guess what
You see this land
Not in the eldrazi deck
The deck is officially garbage
It's probably in the energy deck
Oh wait we have that one
Maybe the simic one?
golden plover
Wait what
Fucked up
If that land is collectors booster only smh
(The random set of commander cards that are in collectors boosters every set)
copper pecan
they stopped doing collectors booster-only cards a while ago
golden plover
When? I know we had some in MOM and WOE
modern minnow
Have we moved past temple of the false god in every deck
copper pecan
When? I know we had some in MOM and WOE
woe was the last one iirc
twilit canyon
Not even good ugin
this ugin has still seen competitive play
urban crane
You see this land
It’s in the copy deck
trail anvil
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/modern-horizons-3-commander-decklists last commander decklist is out
lusty trench
Isn't that early?
trail anvil
idk, but command zone already released their video showing it off too so 
either way the reprints in this one look pretty nice. uro, yavimaya, vesuva and these new lands look nuts too
trail anvil
oh the lhurgoyf typal one
lusty trench
Annnnnnd simic deck pre-ordered wtf are those lands
trail anvil
$55 for all this 
tempted to do that myself
sleek ferry
I’m getting Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho vibes
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golden plover
Why is [[Crib Swap]] on here?
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golden plover
That was already in modern
golden plover
Was it reprinted in the set?
twilit canyon
i dont fully agree with krrik getting placed in unplayable
mostly cus i know we are probably not too many cards off from krrik becoming stupid strong
same way that urza and yawgmoth were just okay
then a few sets down the line they became more and more powerful and now yawgmoth is arguable for a ban or at least neutering his deck
i also think force of denial can be brought down to good card for good deck
but we'll see
golden plover
Could you not just use [[Bolas' Citadel]] with K'rrik too?
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golden plover
Like surely there's a way to do the commander combo in Modern
golden plover
i also think force of denial can be brought down to good card for good deck
Also this feels reasonable. Dunno enough about modern, but blue decks don't typically have a ton of fodder creatures
Outside of like Merfolk and Spirits?
trail anvil
damn grist and tamiyo are that high up?
sleek ferry
I always thought grist was really good standalone, idk what plays it though
fallow citrus
the tamiyo could be good but I don't see it
sleek ferry
[[grist voracious larva]]
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Grist, the Plague Swarm
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trail anvil
I mean at minimum you're paying 2 mana for it
unless there's some way to bring it back for 0 mana
twilit canyon
its a 2 mana walker in almost all forms
but its a very good one
2 mana make a 1/1 with deathtouch most likely, -2 disenchant is always good
its just good
lusty trench
I'm surprised they didn't put helm in the simic deck considering the commander literally wears it but ig it'd be a bit off theme
trail anvil
hey if you do it with land creature it ramps you 
golden plover
I'm surprised they didn't put helm in the simic deck considering the commander l...
Sorry, that's a $12 card
You're only allowed so many of those
urban crane
wait why doesnt the eldrazi deck have the urza lands wouldnt they be pretty good in it? plus they are willing to reprint them in a commander deck so thats not an excuse
lusty trench
Me looking at the tricky terrain precons value on goldfish
golden plover
It's by far the best one
lusty trench
golden plover
It probably also plays the best out of the box
golden plover
A lot of that value will drop immediately
lusty trench
That's the highest I've ever seen it
golden plover
But it's still like $110 in reprints
And the horizon land will stay like $40
Moxfield is saying $228 with presale prices
lusty trench
Moxfield doesn't have all the new cards in its list tho
golden plover
Yeah which isn't a huge deal because the presale prices are gonna drop anyways
lusty trench
Yeah but the horizon land is one of the ones it doesn't have
Which means it's more like £250
golden plover
True. That land is gonna be a little pricey
lusty trench
Also doesn't have the all non basic types land
urban crane
So hype I got al of them on preorder now
lusty trench
I'm interested to see what they reprint in the graveyard deck
Maybe if we're lucky a underworld breach reprint?
urban crane
Well see
copper pecan
lusty trench
Many people are going crazy over the new simic bird wizard in cedh
Not surprised card is so stupid
sleek ferry
Many people are going crazy over the new simic bird wizard in cedh
I thought about it myself tbh, but it's hard when kinnan is the gold standard for simic
like you have to ask yourself, why am I playing this over kinnan
what does this do better than kinnan
golden plover
Many people are going crazy over the new simic bird wizard in cedh
Card seems really good
golden plover
what does this do better than kinnan
It plays different
You're doing something silly with copy effects or making a big board
It's closer to [[Orvar]], but splashing green
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[[Kinnan]]
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golden plover
Kinnan realistically only has the one line of text in cedh
By the time you're using the second, you've VERY won and typically have infinite mana
I hope we return to Ikoria and Kinnan is the Elite Four Champ btw
Ikoria is actually secretly the Pokemon plane
copper pecan
kinnan is super annoying in brawl
lusty trench
That bird is preordering for £20 btw
golden plover
Sounds about right
lusty trench
Someone ping me when the graveyard deck is revealed
copper pecan
we need them to print ligmagoyf
lusty trench
Who’s Steve-jobsgoyf
zinc shard
urban crane
Someone ping me when the graveyard deck is revealed
It has been revealed
lusty trench
It doesn’t have tarmagoyf in it
copper pecan
makes sense, they're very similar
lusty trench
Wait the deck is called graveyard overdrive and doesn’t have any traditional reanimate spells?
No animate dead or necromancy or reanimate or hell an underworld breach would make sense here
stark skiff
kinnan is super annoying in brawl
In anything
lusty trench
... Isn't this supposed to say kindred?
Oh I see it's mh2 reprint
Hopefully it'll be updated
fallow citrus
probably will
trail anvil
I'm sure they'll update it for consistency
if they don't on the first run someone will point it out then they'll fix it
trail anvil
Moxfield is saying $228 with presale prices
lowkey tempted to buy 2
lusty trench
Ayo these sleeves are sexy af
Shame they're ultrapro cause I'll have to double sleeve em
sleek ferry
lowkey tempted to buy 2
Rich
trail anvil
shit I wish
just irresponsible with money
risking $55 for $100+ potential profit sounds #worth
probably just playing this though cause it looks fun as hell
sleek ferry
Yeah I might do the same tbh, I bought 2 of the zombie one, since as far as precons go, the zombie one might just be the GOAT
stark skiff
Did the GY deck come out yet?
golden plover
Man this deck wants to be 3 things
lusty trench
I'm still gobsmacked with no og goyf
trail anvil
goyf seems like a really weird theme to me but I'm not an old modern jund player so
golden plover
Yeah how the fuck did they not include goyf
He's like $10, it's not even like he'd break the bank
Honestly, from a flavor standpoint all four of these were weird tho
The Simic one doesn't have [[Helm of the Hosts]] despite her literally wearing it
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twilit canyon
ok
clever sun
Ok
urban crane
whhich precon should i bring tommorow stella lee pirates or mirko?
glad peak
Mirko, no one’s gonna believe you when you say your Stella Lee deck isnt cedh since she’s one of the easiest to transfer
stark skiff
Mirko, no one’s gonna believe you when you say your Stella Lee deck isnt cedh si...
this pretty much.
even without trying she can combo off so easy
urban crane
I mean haven’t changed anything at al
stark skiff
unless your opponents know that you will likely be targeted
glad peak
Just changing 1 bulk card leads to an infinite and people know that too
stark skiff
even in the precon i think she has an infinite lol
glad peak
I think I had a storm turn with drawing 30 or so cards with a non changed pre con lol
urban crane
I could change commander into Niv mizzet he seems cool?
sleek ferry
Which niv mizzet smh
glad peak
Probably not, another 1 card combo commander
urban crane
Guess Il just play pirates
Why are al the cool izzet spel slinger commanders 1 card combo
golden plover
Why are al the cool izzet spel slinger commanders 1 card combo
That's Izzet for ya
My favorite commander ever is [[Elsha of the Infinite]]
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golden plover
But she's 100% kill on sight outside of Cedh tables
And my list is cedh optimized now, so I only play her in cedh
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[[Stella Lee]]
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glad peak
Another 1 card combo
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[[Malcolm]]
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glad peak
[[malcolm, keen eyed]]
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glad peak
It’s one of those combos where you might run into it just on accident while doing pirate tribal with Malcolm + partner
Coincidentally also cedh viable but that’s just because blue + 1 card combo
urban crane
It would just be the precon with [[don andres renegade]] as commander
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It’s one of those combos where you might run into it just on accident while doin...
Wait how is this infinite
Oh wait nvm
I'm stupid
You make 3 treasures not just 1
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I’m no expert in production, but surely a production assistant’s average wage should be decently higher than that no?
lusty trench
Not just that but that’s an unliveable wage in La
sudden lava
funny enough I fought a person on this guy yesterday
sleek ferry
Why are you fighting people summer
urban crane
funny enough I fought a person on this guy yesterday
He’s a funny guy
sudden lava
By the end of the game I somehow went under the radar so much I was at 37 life
sudden lava
My next deck Im gonna build is Legolas Master Archer
golden plover
https://x.com/_hanatwothree/status/1796416573269516702?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOh...
That's obscenely low for LA holy shit
twilit canyon
I’m no expert in production, but surely a production assistant’s average wage sh...
i make 7 more than that remote + for a smaller company in a cheaper area
actually lmfao
golden plover
PAs are a gig job, but even then, that's like ridiculous
PAs start at like $25/hr in any real spot
twilit canyon
at the least
golden plover
That's like an entry PA pay
glad peak
Welcome to LA lol
subtle tendon
@twilit canyon I stole this list off twitter, thoughts? 🤔
He was saying to just replace the chalice for something else if chalice doesn’t have a place in the format
twilit canyon
chalice wont have a place immediately
also drowner is not a good card but may be necessary as a 4 of for all the cards played rn
i think matter reshaper is not great in a list like this
it may be a good start to work on a list like this tho
id toss out the sideboard here for a sec since we have no idea how the meta will look
chalice is fine there
and with the 3 slots, i would put in the 4th talisman and then 4th drowner and last slot would be a 3rd thief
also wait
[[gemstone caverns]]
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twilit canyon
ah okay thats fine
i was trying to remember if it was like chrome mox again or not
but it isnt
fallow citrus
kozi's unsealing feels a bit mid as a card
golden plover
I'm gonna die on the hill that it's pretty good
But I don't think it's good enough for modern
If it was printed into pioneer or standard, it'd be insane
lusty trench
I just realised they printed a 3 mana 7/5 in blue this set
fallow citrus
?
lusty trench
?
golden plover
You'll speed up the vanishing
lusty trench
If they play cards you add a time counter and it lives longer
Vanishing removes counters on upkeep
golden plover
Oh I mixed it up with the one that counts down
lusty trench
That'd be age counters from cumulative upkeep
atomic harness
any parallax wave and tide fans in chat
sleek ferry
any parallax wave and tide fans in chat
Yes, you
sleek ferry
I’m more of a winter moon stan
glad peak
Parallax wave, great cube card
copper pecan
is white border black lotus even a thing?
sleek ferry
For what it’s worth, posting it at $15 means they knew nobody was dumb enough to believe it was real
golden plover
is white border black lotus even a thing?
Yeah, there's unlimited lotuses
copper pecan
oh right i forgot beta was white bordered
subtle tendon
inb4 it's real and you missed out on your $100,000 come up
twilit canyon
i think if it was some other like
expensive rl card
but black lotus is famous outside of magic
trail anvil
tbh would you pay that much for a black lotus proxy
urban crane
I mean it’s cheaper than what wizards was selling em for
zinc shard
You can concede the game at anytime. Except when you cant
lusty trench
subtle tendon
I'm ngl, alt arts like that are so ugly lol
twilit canyon
im just not sure what they were cooking or for what audience these were for
copper pecan
i'm ashamed to admit the first thing i thought when i saw this image was the pointing soyjaks meme
twilit canyon
they may actually be doing that reference
copper pecan
ulamog is ulapogging
lusty trench
The new tokens of previously made cards (rals spellgourger weird) point to the gatherer rather than a predefined token
Interesting
golden plover
Yeah they're changing the token rules
Since they're tokens of predefined cards
It's weird.
lusty trench
You make a copy token of the card as it is in the gatherer database
golden plover
It's really weird and opens up a lot of potential fuckery
lusty trench
Hackers changing the oracle text on gatherer so that they can win at tournaments
Never gonna happen but it'd be hilarious
golden plover
Lmao true
trail anvil
need an opinion on something. there's one player who's very clearly ahead on the board at turn 4 with dihada, tinybones (otj), yoshimaru with 5 counters and ratadrabik. another player plays [[three blind mice]] with [[ian chesterton]] to create a copy of the three blind mice. who would you target with spot removal at this point?
trail anvil
I went for the three blind mice token copy because if it's not answered literally right there, it turns into an exponential loop that can't be cleared except by something like farewell (this is a casual pod)
broken fjord
Sounds reasonable. There's really no amazing choices, since Dihada ahead on board is also very bad. But that loop has to be answered before it's too late.
proud shore
i decided to see what i could do with the mtg cardpool and
apparently you can just, take your opponent's turn, infinately
im gonna use my yugioh mindset to make decks that are vile
lusty trench
MTG goldfish has the eldrazi deck new cards super high
Usually they have them at like $20 per new card except the good ones which are higher, but damn they're giving anything a $40+ preorder price
lusty trench
box says wireless
Look inside box
Unholy beings spawning from the void between worlds
Look closer behind them
Wires
glad peak
im gonna use my yugioh mindset to make decks that are vile
Unfortunately the only place you’ll be able to do that consistently is table 500 aka commander
Though there’s lantern control which is lower power now but doable
modern minnow
Idk if mbt is gonna be real with the new stuff but that's the first deck i think of for the slaver lock
urban crane
Got these in the same pack
sleek ferry
Got these in the same pack
That’s a very solid pack
That grand abolisher art clears the OG one 100x over
Word me @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
i like both
sleek ferry
Idk, I just kinda feel like this one serves so much more cunt
golden plover
The old one feels more "Grand Abolisher"
This one just kinda feels like a guy
It's not bad art, but it doesn't fit the card tbh
urban crane
I mean Il love immunity to getting countered al the same
golden plover
Besides, this is the best grand abolisher art
True, all abolishers are good
I just think the borderless will that flavortext goes crazy
fallow citrus
old one is too iconic to me
golden plover
It's the best one, and it really is grand abolisher
The RK Ferguson one is really good tho
Since it didn't wanna link earlier
broken fjord
Wonder if Planar Nexus could be a problem in the eternal formats where it's legal. Enabling tron with just it and urza's tower does seem strong.
golden plover
This art is the least interesting tbh
It's just the regular art for him, but jacket off
lusty trench
That one is you've yeed your last haw
golden plover
Honestly? Feels like he was probably supposed to be a named Legend and got turned into Grand Abolisher last minute
Considering how similar these arts are
trail anvil
Wonder if Planar Nexus could be a problem in the eternal formats where it's lega...
does help you reach tron more reliably but doesn't provide the extra mana ig
golden plover
And we know they did a ton of last minute changes tro Big Score
broken fjord
Yeah. It doesn't tap for two. But 4 colorless turn 2 is kinda crazy still.
trail anvil
Honestly? Feels like he was probably supposed to be a named Legend and got turne...
wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like an abolisher reprint is something you plan
broken fjord
From just 2 lands.
lusty trench
Yeah. It doesn't tap for two. But 4 colorless turn 2 is kinda crazy still.
Alternatively 2 colourless and one coloured
Cause it's a filter land too
golden plover
wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like an abolisher reprint is something you pla...
He was probably some variant of Grand Abolisher as a legend in testing and they had to cut plot points or something like that
We had Myrel recently too
So I wouldn't be surprised if they were planning on another variant like that but he either didn't test well or they had to cut BIG plot points
The arts just feel too similar to not have been a named character at some point
proud shore
Unfortunately the only place you’ll be able to do that consistently is table 500...
commander kinda has something equivalent to smogun teirs, so i think table 500 is literally meant to be N/A
plus the guy who i play with uses the market value of cards as a soft banlist
which, i think is a tremendous idea to port over to yugioh stuffs
glad peak
There’s a big problem with that in commander specifically
In that godo is an insane commander in a format where there isn’t free interaction
urban crane
Also what do people possibly think about ravnixa clue edition?
glad peak
He’s a mono red commander where it’s a 0 card infinite combo needing 11 mana
So with rituals which are typically cents you can win as early as turn 1
proud shore
He’s a mono red commander where it’s a 0 card infinite combo needing 11 mana
whats the combo?
glad peak
Godo + helm of the host
Godo is in the command zone and puts helm of the host from the deck onto the field
Equip then go into attacks to make infinite godos and infinite combat steps
Requires 11 mana but with 1 mana make 2 mana spells and 2 mana make mana spells and so on, you can do it earlier
glad peak
This can go infinite starting turn 1 and only getting easier as the game goes on since red also has a ton of anti counterspell stuff
urban crane
Played some commander today played like 5 games lost al
sleek ferry
Yeah but in cedh Magda is queen now
glad peak
I think it’s possible to make a good budget Magda cedh list but a bunch of dwarves are expensive just because of her and because they’re old
glad peak
True
proud shore
i tend to build decks with a soft banlist of keeping it under a $700 market price even tho its on an online sim, cuz thats the unoffical rule a friend likes to do, and for a mini format having to factor price as its own limitation makes deckbuilding really interesting
twilit canyon
in current cedh meta its super cope to be 3c even
urban crane
What’s the worst mono color to play in commander?
sleek ferry
Magda just won 150 person event last month lol. Also I didn’t say she was the best cedh commander
glad peak
But in the case of where you’re playing specific monetary amounts against each other, godo is king
sleek ferry
Just the best mono red
urban crane
Suprising I thought they would be good
sleek ferry
Magda in general has a good amount of top 4 finishes in the last year
twilit canyon
id def rather be mono black over blue
glad peak
Red or black for mono
proud shore
But in the case of where you’re playing specific monetary amounts against each o...
ya think that kinda limitation would carry over well to yugioh actually?
twilit canyon
red > black atm
glad peak
I’m not too sure about mono blue commanders
urban crane
Blue has counter spells
glad peak
Yeah I remember coping with orvar because I have his alt art
urban crane
Like so many
twilit canyon
yea but it doesnt matter if u have no real end game
glad peak
Counterspells alone are not good enough
fallow citrus
me when I counter all of your cards but I don't actually do anything
urban crane
We got black farewell we should get blue farewell
glad peak
Literally just add 1 more color and you have an infinitely better deck
fallow citrus
yeah add red
urban crane
Like white?
fallow citrus
izzet gang
sleek ferry
Add green, play kinnan
urban crane
Izzet fun
twilit canyon
green, white, red, or black tbh
urban crane
Jeskai is genuinely probably my favorite color combo
glad peak
The blue farewell should be called adios and feature just a cup with blue liquid lmao
twilit canyon
theres good commanders in blue/green, blue/white, blue/red, blue/black
proud shore
honestly, im just super thrilled to have a new cardpool to break, so im prolly gonna just pump out a few hundred decks of variying viability and then go back to yugioh once i put together a disturbing amount of decks in a short period
glad peak
Very good in blue black
fallow citrus
you will quickly discover that most shit that can be broken has already broken in this game
urban crane
theres good commanders in blue/green, blue/white, blue/red, blue/black
Blue green a few for example the new precon blue red just look at Stella lee or Niv mizzet blue black you have that zombie one
glad peak
I think for $700 you can get a very good yuriko deck
sleek ferry
Who am I not thinking of in blue/white right now
fallow citrus
there's a reason there's the memes that are like "finally, we've broken x card"
twilit canyon
shorikai
glad peak
GAAIV cope
fallow citrus
shorikai my beloved
sleek ferry
Shorikai is based
sleek ferry
But tbh if you’re going blue/white you might as well just go esper
urban crane
Oh that thing
twilit canyon
if you are going 2c may as well go 3
and if ur in 3c, its genuinely stronger to go 4 or 5
for anything but super specialized decks
this counts shit like gitrog
or food chain
sleek ferry
Not all the time but generally yes
glad peak
Actually did $700 make godo even more consistent since free interaction will still be hard to come around
twilit canyon
its p much all the time nowdays
sleek ferry
If you’re in blue/red Stella, krark/sakashima both can compete with any 3c commander
urban crane
Also should I upgrade time counters or wait to upgrade the new energy precon for jeskai?
twilit canyon
If you’re in blue/red Stella, krark/sakashima both can compete with any 3c comma...
sure but those are all worse than 4c commanders for the most part
like
glad peak
Also should I upgrade time counters or wait to upgrade the new energy precon for...
Depends on your goals but my suggestion is just make more decks
twilit canyon
id put stella, gitrog, krark/saka, ton of other 2c/3c commanders on a similar power level
but theres a clear divide between them and 4c/5c decks
proud shore
you will quickly discover that most shit that can be broken has already broken i...
oh for sure im not the first to break these cards, but within a month I've gone from absolutely throttled by this game to being able to layer a deck with so many points of explosivity where i'm just doing test hands and having to keep restarting after realizing i basically won the game far sooner if i did x instead of y
glad peak
Oh wait for $700 you can make dual-less najeela
Well I think you don’t have the free counterspells either
Najeela is the queen of “oops I win”
proud shore
Actually did $700 make godo even more consistent since free interaction will sti...
whoo boy, im about to make said friend regret yoinking me into commander
glad peak
Najeela’s the best aggro deck that can also randomly combo kill you, I love her
twilit canyon
she can legit do it p much all
only kenrith has more variety
bu lacks truly the same raw power
at least in combat
which is ironic given hes much bigger and actually pumps himself or board
glad peak
With a $700 budget probably not playing the best interaction suite
twilit canyon
still a ton of good interaction tho
thanks to 5c
you are dual-less so your ad naus gets a bit weaker
but its not too bad
yeah honestly id go najeela
moreso than kenrith since she's more direct and can win on less set up
glad peak
Best part about either of those decks is that you can 1 week play turbo and the next week play stax and have almost the same win conditions
urban crane
Depends on your goals but my suggestion is just make more decks
I mean I’m getting al mh3 precons so working with those/ what other precons I have atm
sleek ferry
I’ve been seeing Codie pop up at top tables more often than Kenrith lately tbh
Codie is just insane
proud shore
ive actually made decks so budget that i threw in mana crypt for the sake of it
twilit canyon
wasnt spending enough money
glad peak
If you can fit in a mana crypt on that budget then you haven’t spent enough lol
proud shore
honestly it was a rat doubleing deck that was made to go against their squirrel deck
glad peak
The lands alone should cost you several hundred
proud shore
so playing mono black really saves on lands
glad peak
Sure but you lose out on a lot
urban crane
I think playing mono color does yes I borrowed a mono white angels deck so many plains
glad peak
For mono black you can run kkrik
I’m not sure if yawgfather has a playable deck at the moment
glad peak
Another great deck in a less cheap-interaction pod
broken fjord
Requires 11 mana but with 1 mana make 2 mana spells and 2 mana make mana spells ...
Think it's less now. You do need that uncommon from thunder junction that copies triggered abilities. So it's like 8 if you have it in hand.
sleek ferry
This is the event I was thinking of https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=55182&f=cEDH
glad peak
Sure but point is that without any other cards other than commander, you just need 11 mana to win
sleek ferry
Magda won, Kinnan got top 4, Malcolm and keddis got top 4, and tymna/malcolm got top 4
That Magda list is fire btw
glad peak
Other cards can lower the price of the win but when all else fails, 11 mana is 11 mana
broken fjord
It's sad that mono color is in such a tough spot. More cards like Throne of Eldraine need to be made to reward mono
glad peak
Eh it’s more of a byproduct of commander having less cost on colors compared to other formats where life matters a bit more and you’re the sole focus
broken fjord
I'm aware. It's not that mono is bad, just that there's no incentive
trail anvil
I think for $700 you can get a very good yuriko deck
where does most of this cost typically come from? mana base? mana rocks?
glad peak
Manabase mostly
You usually use a tainted pact landbase which means no basic lands but if you don’t play that (or you play some variants of the doomsday pile) then you don’t have to
modern minnow
damn that guy really looks like critikal
modern minnow
surprising amount of people do ngl
remember seeing smallant on suap and being genuinely surprised
sudden lava
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhys1aCUIs0
2 Brian Kibblers in the thumbnail 
trail anvil
he unboxed an alpha starter deck a few days ago too
was that the person that pulled a mint mox emerald?
trail anvil
o
trail anvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhys1aCUIs0
somehow I never made the connection with the edh precons being takes on what's been strong in modern throughout the years
urban crane
Im debating on picking up either the zombie or the Necron precon wich is better?
zinc shard
I forgot this was a thing
zinc shard
I love this deck
urban crane
Grabbed the zombie precon
urban crane
Also anyone have a good wilhelt deck?
granite badge
fun hand
zinc shard
P1 P1?
twilit canyon
detention sphere immediately
zinc shard
I was rewarded
lusty trench
Man I'm play testing Omo as commander and she feels so slow
The everything counters feel like they take too long to put on my lands
sleek ferry
twilit canyon
🫡
urban crane
Do these work in a upgraded timey wimey deck?
urban crane
Also would these be good upgrades for the undead unleashed precon?
sleek ferry
Also would these be good upgrades for the undead unleashed precon?
Seems fine to me
lusty trench
Damn that miku gonna be money
golden plover
Still so weird they didn't get Japanese artists to do the mikus
This is probably like the second best art in the lair lmao
golden plover
Never mind I just zoomed into her face
My above statement is still true
[[Spiteful Prankster]] notably got reprinted very recently in the MKM precons
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golden plover
Oh that's not the one I thought it was
lusty trench
golden plover
Whatever the MKM precon devil was dropped from like $20 to $2
lusty trench
I think these two are better
lusty trench
Whatever the MKM precon devil was dropped from like $20 to $2
Grim hireling?
golden plover
Maybe?
lusty trench
Chandra's ignition isn't bad either
golden plover
Also, it's really weird the card is super dated by saying April Fools on it
lusty trench
golden plover
Especially when the lair didn't even release until May and didn't ship until June
golden plover
Ehh it's fine, her face is weird here tho
lusty trench
I think it's fine, at least it's not realistic face with anime eyes
This is the worst one imo
golden plover
True this Azusa is terrible
It's also fucked up, because Jehan Choo is a VERY good artist
lusty trench
Everything about it is good except for the face which utterly ruins it
golden plover
The issue is that they were asking him to draw stuff he clearly can't draw
Like his Basri is really good
But Basri has a much more realistic human face
golden plover
WAIT I REALIZED WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF HOLY SHIT
Y'all ever see those creepy anime girl masks?
lusty trench
Yeah
golden plover
It looks just like these
I've had the displeasure of seeing these in person and they're SO CREEPY
But yeah, that's exactly what the Miku arts look like
And the elvish mystic artist is another super talented one too
She's done plenty of killer art, they just kept picking the wrong artists for this lair
modern minnow
sometimes i wonder why i check reddit and then i see someone asking whether mana crypt or chrome mox is the better card
and i remember why
golden plover
But chrome mox doesn't hurt me
Why would I wanna play a rock that can hurt me when I could just play [[Sol Ring]]?
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When the great vault fell, it scattered its wonders across Thunder Junction.
glad peak
I found an old friend at an lgs and got hit with a wave of complaints after I hit 1 person for 2
On turn 4
golden plover
Casual Edh players don't actually wanna play the game, I swear
golden plover
As long as I win, commander is the best format
If you do 2 damage to me on turn 4? Your deck is cedh and you're not following the rules of commander
lusty trench
I’ve also had people go “oh no my deck is casual” and then pull out the turn 2 win
Like damn okay Silas and roghark next game? What do you mean you don’t want to play anymore? Run them hands
golden plover
Lmao I love that one too
My deck is casual if it's expensive and pubstomps randoms
If I sit down and lose at the cedh table it's because you're trying too hard
rigid scarab
Casual Edh players don't actually wanna play the game, I swear
I only encounter these people online
rigid scarab
Like majority of the people that say this shit
Are people who don't even want to go to an lgs
golden plover
Depends. There's like 3 LGSes in my city and they all suck for different reasons, but one is starting a cedh league
rigid scarab
Like damn okay Silas and roghark next game? What do you mean you don’t want to p...
When people intentionally pubstomp and use it as a smug lesson in good deckbuilding
modern minnow
Why would I wanna play a rock that can hurt me when I could just play [[Sol Ring...
i go on twitter and know that sol ring isn't actually a good card i am very smart
golden plover
I mean 1 mana to only get 2? And it's colorless?
Why would I want to play that over [[Irencrag Feat]]?
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Add seven . You can cast only one more spell this turn.
The greatest challenge isn't the stifling heat but the crushing weight of those who failed before.
golden plover
That one gives me 7 mana and it's colored
modern minnow
has cool art too
modern minnow
[[meeting of the five]] if it counts
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Exile the top ten cards of your library. You may cast spells with exactly three colors from among them this turn. Add . Spend this mana only to cast spells with exactly three colors.
For years, the five families ruled New Capenna in uneasy peace, and the city prospered.
golden plover
Yeah it's definitely meeting of the five
I forgot that card existed because it's SO BAD
modern minnow
would this card be playable if it just let you freecast instead of making mana
golden plover
would this card be playable if it just let you freecast instead of making mana
Honestly no?
It'd see like niche edh play
fallow citrus
Why would I want to play that over [[Irencrag Feat]]?
you say this like it's not going to let me charbelcher you for game
golden plover
And people would have maybe tried it in Niv to Light
sleek ferry
Meeting of the five would be cool if it was on a commander, not on a sorcery
What you going to go, build around a sorcery?
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modern minnow
It'd see like niche edh play
immediate comparison for me is smth like animatous augury but worse so it seems fine
golden plover
Yeah it wouldn't be good
modern minnow
And people would have maybe tried it in Niv to Light
doesnt ntl just play stuff thats 2 colours
golden plover
But people would at least play it
golden plover
doesnt ntl just play stuff thats 2 colours
Oh true you're right
golden plover
Niv is "exactly two colored permanents"
Yeah nevermind
Card is unplayable
(Not Niv, he's solid)
Although Niv to Light even fell off because of new Atraxa
golden plover
It's in and out of the format, when Atraxa got hyped up it fell off
modern minnow
i see
golden plover
I think people are falling off Atraxa because cheating her out isn't as there
Like there's not enough good reanimator
When we eventually get Rescaminator in Pioneer it's over
sleek ferry
idk if this is a hot take or not
but I kinda feel as if mtga should take standard away from arena
and start promoting alchemy as its premier entry level format
golden plover
They already kinda do? It's the default ones
But also, what do they gain from that?
copper pecan
if mtga stopped promoting standard then standard would straight up die
the majority of standard play happens on arena
golden plover
Yeah, Standard is barely played physically now
golden plover
Before COVID, there were 3 LGSes I knew that did standard
Now I know ONE that does it once a week
sleek ferry
but the reason for standard not being played in paper is highly due to there being no reason to play it in paper when it's available online
golden plover
Also losing standard hurts them a lot
Because they can't "design for standard" weaker cards
The game would become yugioh if they killed standard
If standard died, there'd be no reason to buy packs that don't push the power level super hard
sleek ferry
well my idea is more to shift standard's focus towards paper, and shift arena's focus to its online exclusive formats.
golden plover
So every pack would become a Horizons set, and then it'd become yugioh
sleek ferry
Standard is far and away the most played format in mtga rn
copper pecan
but the reason for standard not being played in paper is highly due to there bei...
taking it away from its current playerbase doesn't mean they'd switch to paper. it'd be far more likely that they'd just stop playing altogether
golden plover
Yeah they wouldn't switch to paper standard
sleek ferry
yeah obviously the conversion wouldn't be 1:1
golden plover
Edh killed that
copper pecan
i'd be shocked if even 10% of the playerbase would switch to paper
sleek ferry
but if you canget even 20% of the people that play mtga standard to paper
that's a win
copper pecan
no it's not?
copper pecan
they'd lose a ton of money driving away 80% of standard's playerbase
golden plover
Super enfranchised players already don't play standard as is unless they're tournament grinders
sleek ferry
define super enfranchised players
golden plover
People who play competitively more than once a few weeks or whatever
sleek ferry
that's just not true lol
golden plover
Those people mostly play non-rotating formats unless they're a dedicated tournament grinder, and that's only because tournaments are standard
If arena killed standard, they wouldn't move to paper
They'd just stop playing arena
sleek ferry
if you're a comp player or aspire to play comp, you definitely have standard as a format you play. I would even argue to you most modern player's 2nd format is more than likely standard
golden plover
Some people would switch to Alchemy or Historic or whatever
But most of the people would just stop playing
copper pecan
if arena killed standard a lot of people would switch to alchemy and not to paper
golden plover
Paper players now are people who are already very enfranchised
copper pecan
if those people wanted to play paper standard they'd already be doing that instead of playing arena
golden plover
They've either got pioneer/modern decks or edh decks
Killing standard would maybe only succeed in pushing arena players to alchemy and casuals to edh
But again, it'd force the yugioh problem
Because they couldn't design sets for standard, so the overall power level would have to skyrocket
I mean hell, look at MKM
Set saw a bit of standard play, but most of the cards are duds in commander and eternal formats
sleek ferry
MKM is mostly a dud of a standard set also
golden plover
Yeah I'm aware
But it had at least one format that it'd exist in where there's not other options
sleek ferry
LGS was telling me it's the least bought set they can remember having
golden plover
Yeah it's a terrible set all around
But point is, if there wasn't standard where the cards HAD to be played, sets like MKM would be a lot worse and we wouldn't see them
So they'd force the powerlevel a lot higher
sleek ferry
But anyways, I can't think of any other way to boost up FNM numbers which are down due to most of them just being glorified commander nights nowadays
Which I'm cool with commander being the premier cash cow and all, but WOTC should put effort into pushing their non-modern constructed formats.
especially for FNM
golden plover
Yeah thats an issue with commander being the main format now
It's not Arena or Standard's fault
twilit canyon
whats the point of pushing pioneer or legacy?
golden plover
It's WoTC pushing commander over everything else and killing the other comp scenes fault
twilit canyon
pioneer has proven its not popular
golden plover
I mean they could push pro tour for pioneer or modern
twilit canyon
and legacy is too niche
golden plover
But it'd be expensive and not as successful as just pushing commander more
copper pecan
pushing legacy would be a terrible idea as long as the reserve list is a thing
sleek ferry
Legacy community is also ass, I'm sorry
twilit canyon
I mean they could push pro tour for pioneer or modern
right and they did for pioneer and the pro players hated it
golden plover
Unfortunately the numbers show that people don't care about the competitive scene and they'd rather have magic be more of a "board game night" with friends
twilit canyon
yeah
golden plover
You don't get as many new players pushing competitive
sleek ferry
Which again, is perfectly fine, they can do that the 6 other days of the week that arent FNM
golden plover
Sure, you get more enfranchised players that have to spend money
But they've probably done the math to realize that it's more profitable for people to buy a doctor who precon and never play the game or whatever than it is to force modern more
twilit canyon
there is way less money in an enfranchised comp player as a whole
than getting like
100 players spending on a precob
*precon
golden plover
I mean an enfranchised player for a competitive scene is a whale that's forced to buy new cards from every new set
copper pecan
I mean an enfranchised player for a competitive scene is a whale that's forced t...
this just isn't true
twilit canyon
once they get into modern or pioneer even
golden plover
But it's not as much money as a bunch of casuals buying a precon they'll play maybe once because it's got Frodo on the box
twilit canyon
their spending is gone
sleek ferry
I wouldn't consider strictly modern players whales
copper pecan
wotc learned this back during time spiral when tournament play went up but sales plumetted because casual players didn't like the set even though competitive players loved it
golden plover
once they get into modern or pioneer even
Hence what I was saying about if they killed standard, they'd have to push the power level of cards a ton more, yeah
golden plover
Yeah true
twilit canyon
casual collectors are
golden plover
Stores buy boxes to sell some singles to them
twilit canyon
mhm
golden plover
But tournament grinders only buy a couple singles per set
twilit canyon
and stores sell boxes to... casual players for the most part
sleek ferry
According to my LGS it varies greatly from set to set
golden plover
I mean, maybe a modern player will buy a box or two of MH3
twilit canyon
mh2 and mh3 have been sets looking to appeal to the competitive players
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But like a pioneer player didn't buy a box of Thunder Junction for the three cards that will see play from the set
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but we see bc they included commander precons that it really wasnt enough to not include something for casual players
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A collector will buy a box to get the fun alt arts and legends
sleek ferry
according to my LGS OTJ did great across the entire playerbase, and it was one of the best selling sets for them
twilit canyon
my lgs had a similar experience except it wasnt popular among the competitive crowd
sold really well to casuals and commander players
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It's very much a casual set
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their enfranchised players just got singles
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But it's a pretty popular casual set
sleek ferry
also, maybe surprisingly to some, maybe not LCI did significantly better than WOE
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There's like maybe 3 cards from the set seeing play in eternal formats
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but it makes sense to me since LCI was a much cooler set
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LCI was a higher power set and more interesting cards
sleek ferry
WOE really felt as if WOTC purposely held back their design for a lot of the cards tbh
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They probably didn't want eldraine to break standard twice
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But it's a pretty popular casual set
overall gotta remember that a vast majority of magic players are like summer who seem to get excited about even the most milquetoast set ever
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They probably didn't want eldraine to break standard twice
granted it'd have been super funny if it had