#Magic the Gathering
fallow citrus
drowner of hope is in the commander set sooo
lusty trench
Wow this card is asssssss
copper pecan
reach on a blue card is kinda weird but i guess it's fine
fallow citrus
I'm afraid this is already a real card
and was played in eldrazi
as seen in this video
obvs not as good now we dont have eldrazi temple
but the new ugin card potentially changes that
rigid scarab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvdn4LN-rI8
Peak 60 card gameplay video
last glen
Is Lizard equivalent to Dinosaur or did they just errata some cards
copper pecan
they erattaed some cards
dinosaur got removed from the game during the great creature type update when lorwyn came out
because it was only on one card
and then it got added back in when ixalan came out and they erattaed a bunch of cards to be dinosaurs
trail anvil
good thing it was reintroduced for that Jurassic Park collection 😎
zinc shard
I need this on a sleeve
trail anvil
don't worry, wotc is gonna print it for bloomburrow guaranteed
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twilit canyon
well the tokens cant kill
golden plover
Not alone, but you still just use [[Rosie Cotton]] like normal
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
When Rosie Cotton of South Lane enters the battlefield, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with "
, 
, Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you create a token, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control other than Rosie.
1/1
twilit canyon
and being devoid means u cant gsz into it
golden plover
Oh devoid is actively a downside here, yeah
twilit canyon
and dies to unrevolted push
golden plover
I dunno how much worse it is to lose GSZ but trades it for infinite mana
golden plover
Scurry Okay only goes infinite the one
But this potentially gives you infinite mana
golden plover
And if you're playing some Abzan thing I guess you could also get Blood Artist triggers
twilit canyon
it needs another card
golden plover
Nah this is exactly the same with Rosie
Infinite tokens with infinite P/T and infinite mana
twilit canyon
rosie is more set up too
golden plover
This also curves into Rosie, unlike Scurry
twilit canyon
wait no it isnt infinite the same way into rosie
golden plover
I dunno if it's an upgrade, but it's an interesting sidegrade
Yeah it is, it's the same infinite
twilit canyon
cus broodscale -> rosie does the exact same infinite
golden plover
I misremembered scurry oak, but you just keep putting the Rosie tokens on brood scale
twilit canyon
so you dont have infinite power on the tokens themselves
golden plover
Yeah, but you also don't get infinitely large tokens off scurry either
twilit canyon
but they are 1/1s
golden plover
The 0/1 1/1 difference does matter, theoretically
golden plover
Does Scurry Oak combo run anything that gives the board haste?
twilit canyon
they do it on end step
golden plover
Ah
golden plover
I guess the question then is is it worth the loss of the squirrels for infinite mana
twilit canyon
without the 1 power u cant actually do anything
u need a 4th card to combo
that kills the viability
golden plover
Could lead to a sidegraded scurry oak combo ig
But yeah, you're either using the tokens to play a ridiculously large card or saccing them to blartist or whatever
The big advantage here for the tokens is that they can sacc themselves freely
golden plover
True
I guess if a deck was already looking for an infinite sac outlet this sidegrades scurry oak
But yeah, the tokens being 0/1s makes it not outright better
twilit canyon
worse as a whole
golden plover
I was thinking the upside is that it curves into Rosie, but GSZ, Chord, and CoCo exist
twilit canyon
if ur casting it fairly u already lost too
golden plover
See my thought process was "this lets you potentially set it up a turn earlier"
And also "hehe curve into a BIG spell"
But yeah, it's probably not doing it
If some form of Abzan Aristocrats deck exists tho, this would wanna be in it
There's the new blartist thing, you could theoretically do something with it and Rosie and this
But at that point, you're just building a bad deck
twilit canyon
nice
copper pecan
flusterstorm in timeless and brawl is pretty big
lusty trench
Damn is that a buy a box promo?
waxen timber
Oh devoid is actively a downside here, yeah
Ancient Stirrings can find it which is neat when there is a colorless equipment that also combos with it
stark skiff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_xCOBLUJo4&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege
lol they’re all sold out
polar lake
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Real
rigid scarab
CardMarket ran another poll to see what format to do next for Best Deck ever
And Commander got 2nd place
My heart nearly sank
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What was #1
rigid scarab
Legacy
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I woulda thought modern ngl
I never hear anything about legacy/vintage outside hypothetical thought scenarios
sleek ferry
And Commander got 2nd place
This one would be interesting but not by them
Since it would have to be cedh
rigid scarab
What would be the oldest cedh deck that has tournament records
Doesn't help that all cedh events are unofficial
sleek ferry
I feel as if they would approach the commander one casually tbh
And you would have shit like Edgar and ur dragon
rigid scarab
Which is entirely not the point of the series
sleek ferry
Like just off the top of my head, you would def have blood pod, blue farm, kinnan, uh maybe malcolm/jeska?
You probably throw winota in there, but winota is nowhere near as good as she used to be
Najeela
tropic cape
holy guacamole i thought i lost all my secret lair cards for a second there, that box is like a grand or something lol
i think the jurassic park cards are in there, and i promised myself i was gonna pick those up at some point so i guess nows the time
twilit canyon
affinity has been putting up some work yeah
atomic harness
twilit canyon
i think the list is just a bit too weak in some spots since it can fail to actually doanything
atomic harness
👁️
twilit canyon
and [[null elemental blast]]
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atomic harness
Holy
atomic harness
do you think there will be anything urza's saga level
atomic harness
my goat
twilit canyon
its going to be fine ultimately but yeah
affinity is getting some big time buffs
and huge nerfs with the printing of [[meltdown]] into modern
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atomic harness
twilit canyon
they said "heres some fun stuff and also fuck you guys"
atomic harness
tough...
twilit canyon
should be okay
atomic harness
they will simply not have it 
twilit canyon
eldrazi will be better overall with their cards
but affinity is getting toys incidentally
also the interesting thing
i think the new cards shift eldrazi/tron to blue
over green
atomic harness
sleek ferry
I’m still waiting for the bombs from mh3… so far the most intriguing card to me is the white 1 drop
atomic harness
finally the good color
twilit canyon
I’m still waiting for the bombs from mh3… so far the most intriguing card to me ...
this is cap right?
sleek ferry
No, the set doesn’t feel as strong as mh2, which is maybe unrealistic expectations
twilit canyon
[[ugin's labyrinth]] is easily one of the most busted lands we have ever seen printed
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Land
Imprint — When Ugin's Labyrinth enters the battlefield, you may exile a colorless card with mana value 7 or greater from your hand.
: Add 
. If a card is exiled with Ugin's Labyrinth, add instead.
: Return the exiled card to its owner's hand.
twilit canyon
meltdown is a massive reprint
kappa cannoneer too
null elemental gies tron massive power in interaction
[[winter moon]] is also going to be a staple
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twilit canyon
for any and all stax lists
[[devourer of destiny]] is also going to be a staple for many a tron list
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sleek ferry
Sure, but I’m not 100% sure where ugin’s labyrinth for example slides into the meta. Winter Moon is cool, null elemental is cool
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Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent.)
Evoke 
(You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
4/4
twilit canyon
this card is the one thats pulling tron towards blue most likely
also a ton of the energy cards that got leaked
theres absolutely going to be an energy deck in modern
ah and of course [[urza's cave]]
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Land — Urza's Cave
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Urza's Cave: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
No matter how deep Urza delved, he couldn't escape his regrets.
twilit canyon
tron is now at 16 lands that enable the sol lands from tron
- maps
- ugin's
thats going to be a ton of big mana very very very easily
sleek ferry
That’s the thing with the energy cards though, they all read busted but it’s kinda hard to predict what that energy deck is going to look like. Are we leaning towards Selesnya? Temur? Idk
twilit canyon
temur most likely
but 5c isnt hard
also white orchid phantom is a big card to print into modern
this one is another big tron buff
this card opens up options with ad naus
this card is stupid good
mh3 baseline is looking stronger than mh2
maybe this is all the good cards in the set
but if so, thats still very close to mh2
sleek ferry
Ig my issue is, can these cards slot into decks that can challenge domain, rakdos etc. I’m not ignoring the power that tron is receiving, I do question the many directions the set does offer tron though and whether this is good enough to push it back as a top deck
trail anvil
https://i0.wp.com/mtgazone.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Flare-of-Fortitude.web...
I feel like this one's gonna be auto $50+
if it's good in modern (and obviously it's great in commander) shit's gonna be a chase card
twilit canyon
tron is already a top deck rn
trail anvil
https://i0.wp.com/mtgazone.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Sink-Into-Stupor.webp?...
still wild to me this card is an uncommon like hot damn
twilit canyon
affinity is also doing well too
the power level of domain and rakdos are not insane
twilit canyon
still wild to me this card is an uncommon like hot damn
fr
waxen timber
If you just showed me the effects of seagate restoration and this, I would have a hard time telling that seagate was the mythic
trail anvil
eh, drawing equal to your hand size is a pretty mythic effect
but I would've expected the new one to be at least a rare
sudden lava
copper pecan
really deep cut reference
this guy was mentioned in the d&d theros book
new kozilek also
fallow citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1241417700152971436/...
o shit this is really neat
burn already plays [[sunbaked canyon]] right
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Land
, Pay 1 life: Add 
or 
.
, , Sacrifice Sunbaked Canyon: Draw a card.
Since the river ran dry, travelers wander where fish once swam.
fallow citrus
so this is actually a playable card
twilit canyon
burn plays boros yea
but 3 mana helix isnt where burn wants to be
maybe if it had haste
golden plover
this guy was mentioned in the d&d theros book
We knew there were 3 titans from the art of [[Binding of the Old Gods]]
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golden plover
Wrong one
copper pecan
there are 4 though
twilit canyon
maybe if it was: sacrifice it at the end of combat if it didn't escape
copper pecan
there was another one also mentioned in the d&d book
golden plover
[[Binding of the Titans]]
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golden plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1241417700451025016/...
This kinda feels awful. Gives the opponent decent advantage
Very much a commander card
copper pecan
it's up to two target players, not exactly 2
you don't have to target your opponent
golden plover
Oh "up to" is a lot better
Still a 9 mana that doesn't immediately impact the board
But he's fine I guess
It's also a "cast" so cheating it out doesn't help
trail anvil
I feel like his design space is super damn cool, either a "hand hate" card or creating bodies for yourself with cards you don't need. but yeah idk if this sees play outside of edh
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1241417700152971436/...
I fuck with lightning helix uro very hard
golden plover
I hope we get the Dimir one too
But I dunno what Dimir sorcery they could give her
lusty trench
The ulamog is gonna be a firm £5, the kozilek £10 and emrakul like £40
trail anvil
wait you draw for each card manifested, that somehow slipped my mind
that's like a discard 2 draw 4 all at 9 mana
lusty trench
Ye kozilek is decent ish
golden plover
Ehh, they get two bodies out of it, and if they're creatures they can still play them
trail anvil
you get 5/4s, the opponent gets 2/2s, they effectively discard 2 unless they can pay the cost for them and you get to cycle cards you didn't need
golden plover
Now if you know that they're not able to play the cards, the manifest is effectively a discard 2
I guess he's decent, but I don't think he's where you want to be for 9 mana
trail anvil
it also turns eldrazi spawn into 3/3 if you have any left at the end of casting this
golden plover
We did it, we broke the new scurry oak
twilit canyon
Still a 9 mana that doesn't immediately impact the board
he immediately makes 2 2/2s on cast
hes fine
nothing insane
trail anvil
2/2s that are 5/4s if you can't remove a 9/9 
I don't think he's crazy but that's a lotta value, I think it's very titan appropriate
can you sideboard this vs control? cast trigger and I'm assuming they wouldn't have many creatures?
golden plover
I guess, just feels underwhelming considering the history of the Titans
trail anvil
I mean his power level is definitely up there, they just didn't want to staple toxic effects on him like before
golden plover
Official binder has some cards we haven't seen on it yet
Looks like another Aven from Kykar's plane, K'rrik, ????, maybe the new titan?, some undertaker dude, and Tamiyo's husband?
twilit canyon
I guess, just feels underwhelming considering the history of the Titans
its on brand for kozilek to be the worst
golden plover
K'rrik in modern feels potentially crazy
Dunno what you'd do with him there, but I imagine he enables something stupid
lusty trench
its on brand for kozilek to be the worst
Eh I'd rate the kozilek higher than the new ulamog
But I'm historically not good at evaluation of card power levels
twilit canyon
that tracks
golden plover
You can draw 4 for like 3 mana
twilit canyon
imagine trying to play a control or combo deck into ulamog and your library gets completely nuked
golden plover
And also not give your opponent 2 bodies in the process
lusty trench
That's fair
sleek ferry
Kozilek kinda strikes me as trying to push e tron towards green, since green can flip those manifests up, technically counting as cheating your high mana stuff in
lusty trench
Idk I think they're both not great and not as good as their other versions (except og kozilek)
sleek ferry
Still not better than blue though
twilit canyon
green tron still wouldnt favor creatures
golden plover
I think there's better things to be doing with Tron mana than making a bunch of big vanillas
Although I guess you can play this with ugin's ancient tomb
lusty trench
New emrakul seems to easily be the strongest and that's fine card also doesn't read toooo good
sleek ferry
Do manifests get their etb trigger when flipped?
twilit canyon
new emmy is nut
golden plover
But you can say that about like everything that costs more than 7 mana now
"Woah it's good with Ugin's Labyrinth"
twilit canyon
Do manifests get their etb trigger when flipped?
no
sleek ferry
Ah that’s ass then
lusty trench
There's a reason the creature flip planeswalkers exile themselves first
Cause otherwise they'd die to sba
Cause no counters
twilit canyon
the real problem with new emrakul is that discarding her to cheat her is not the easiest yet
twilit canyon
i believe it is
fallow citrus
well
twilit canyon
also thi sis really cool
fallow citrus
now we can give the helix uro haste
fallow citrus
true 😔
trail anvil
also worth noting compared to [[hall of the bandit lords]], this can give 2 creatures haste
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Legendary Land
Hall of the Bandit Lord enters the battlefield tapped.
, Pay 3 life: Add . If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste.
inland folio
What’s the best way to get a lot of wildcards in mtga
lusty trench
Just keep playing that's literally it, play drafts and sealed and do well, get your initial coins back and then some, do it more
copper pecan
the best way to do it is to either draft a lot or put all your coins into whatever the latest set is so you can get gold packs
quick draft is the cheapest way to draft but if you're good at drafting then go with premier draft since it's easier to break even on gems through that
also buy the mastery pass
modern minnow
lifehack when arena inevitably crashes (especially on mobile) wotc is p good about refunding your draft
just send in a ticket
sleek ferry
I’ve actually never had mtga crash on mobile yet
modern minnow
mtga hates my pc
inland folio
📝
sleek ferry
What does happen to me on mobile is I lose connection while on the train
stark skiff
Pickups for today hope @atomic harness and @rigid scarab are proud
Also wtf why is Archive foil so expensive
stark skiff
If anyone wants to use
trail anvil
what does it give you, jump in packs?
twilit canyon
a single otj pack
trail anvil
ah
stark skiff
grabbed it
In case you want another one
twilit canyon
sure lol
stark skiff
twilit canyon
i havent actually opened many packs
of otj on arena
mostly cus the special guest cards arent in the regular boosters
stark skiff
the rich get richer
Yeah dang Misty being quick on the codes 
trail anvil
mostly cus the special guest cards arent in the regular boosters
collecting show and tell for timeless?
twilit canyon
huh?
no
i have more than enough wildcard stocks to craft whatever deck(s) i want
so i just wait for things to develop for timeless and mh3 and craft the good cards
i think from otj raw, i spent a total 4 rare wildcards on showoff
trail anvil
trail anvil
I saw someone try bant shigeki, seemed like a cool deck but also a genuinely terrible idea when people are siding rest in peace already for temur and tishana's tidebinder
twilit canyon
yeah thats way too cute
fallow citrus
crazy
waxen timber
This will get restricted in vintage within 2 months of it's release.
Really easy to cast unlike Lavinia. Also negates way more cards than Chalice on 0 does and chalice of the void is restricted
sudden lava
Storm/Plot/Suspend hate
copper pecan
two rhino tokens found dead in miami parking lot
fallow citrus
living end's corpse was exhumed only to be thrown into the ocean
twilit canyon
rigid scarab
Force of Negation - Reportedly Negated
trail anvil
man standard bo1 is filled with azorius control in plat, is this opposite day
copper pecan
[[death charmer]]
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Creature — Worm Mercenary
Whenever Death Charmer deals combat damage to a creature, that creature's controller loses 2 life unless they pay .
It vents the chill of the grave.
2/2
copper pecan
this worm is an outlaw
atomic harness
Wow son how about you give me some codes next time @stark skiff
and a grief playset
thank
stark skiff
Wow son how about you give me some codes next time <@324752667144355841>
didnt know you played kid
rigid scarab
How about you give me a 4th ed sylvan library
stark skiff
How about you give me a 4th ed sylvan library
eww a white border when the borderless is right there
golden plover
glad peak
Sweet, lgs is having monthly cedh proxy legal tournaments
trail anvil
that fucks hard, get more people into cedh
golden plover
Sick, that's actually a good move
My lgs is selling proxy lands, so I'm hoping it's becoming more normal
trail anvil
selling the proxies themselves sounds like it could end up with them being in hot water with wizards
golden plover
True. They're like "lands made by a local artist"
trail anvil
if I were the LGS owner I'd personally say "I'll look the other way when you sell these but I don't want to be involved in the sale at all"
but their prerogative
golden plover
True. I just appreciate them starting to reach out and sell playmats and stuff from local artists
trail anvil
it is a good way to engage with the community
glad peak
Yep, they’re doing proxy tournaments with credit prizing for top 8 and a dual for top 1
golden plover
That's another thing that can get an LGS in trouble unfortunately
Prizing for proxy tournaments
trail anvil
holy fuck lmao
golden plover
One shot?
trail anvil
yeah, [[illuminator virtuoso]]
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trail anvil
dude actually just dumped 2 on it then discarded the other 2 to show off lol
golden plover
They're fucking joking with the price of that fetch bundle right???
That's roughly $35
twilit canyon
no?
its significantly cheaper than the alternative
From my Twitter thread calculating wildcards per pack (ignoring opened cards):
Total: 18.67% of a rare, 7.67% of a mythic. In other words, 1 rare WC every 5.35 packs and 1 mythic WC every 13.03 packs. Note that you get 40% more rares and 130% more mythics than the wildcard track alone would give you! (3/3)
golden plover
I mean, since you can't buy wildcards outright it's technically cheaper yeah
twilit canyon
this is before gold packs
golden plover
But that feels wacky
twilit canyon
gold packs add an additional pack every 10
golden plover
I get that they know people will spend it because you need fetches for any real format
twilit canyon
not just that
golden plover
But $35 for just a playset of each fetch feels crazy
twilit canyon
they are banned everywhere besides timeless and hbrawl
the market for these is not big
golden plover
The formats only the most enfranchised players play, makes sense to charge a ton for them
Still feels crazy to sell them for $35
sleek ferry
I can confirm, I asked how much for a khans of tarkir flooded strand yesterday and locals said $30
golden plover
Being cheaper than paper doesn't matter here
You can't trade them or anything
They're not the real cards
sleek ferry
I did finally pick up the springleaf drum I was missing for kalamax though
and the urza's saga
golden plover
They wouldn't charge $35 for a playset of the fastlands or anything, since those are equivalent in value to fetches in arena
They just know that people will buy the fetches for a hefty arena price
golden plover
I feel like they wouldn't bother tho. This is just them knowing the enfranchised players will spend for this
It's a solution to a problem they created (not being able to outright buy wildcards)
Wait you can't get these any other way, right? Since the allied fetches were in Khans and MH3
golden plover
Damn, that really sucks then
twilit canyon
u can still craft them
and if ur like me who has like 100 rare wcs
its fine to just craft them
sudden lava
Im excited for my deckbox to arrive today
golden plover
True, but I feel like most people don't have many rare wcs. When I played arena that was what gated decks the hardest
trail anvil
tbh that's actually a fantastic deal for the gold no?
if you're playing timeless you're probably pulling a bunch of mh3 but a guaranteed playset of each of those fetches for the price of 8 packs is crazy good value
trail anvil
in fact you literally could not pull those fetches from 8 packs
golden plover
if you're playing timeless you're probably pulling a bunch of mh3 but a guarante...
Is that not 40 packs?
It's 40k gold
trail anvil
oh whoops yeah lmao that makes way more sense
twilit canyon
literally cant even get them from mh3
fallow citrus
I mean I could just do the monored grindset in standard again
golden plover
Without dedicating all your free time to arena, it's so hard to have the wildcards to keep up
trail anvil
eh I just play to complete daily quests and I have a decent number of decks
sleek ferry
Yeah you only need to do daily quests
You only need to go that hard for the mythic grind
And that’s only because 50/50ing is pretty likely the closer you get to mythic
copper pecan
wouldn't the only reason to buy the bundle be if you want to play timeless?
if you only want the fetches for brawl then it would be way cheaper to use 5 wildcards since you wouldn't need a playset of these anyways
trail anvil
ye
sudden lava
new deckbox
glad peak
3D printed? Nice
sudden lava
Yup 3D printed
zinc shard
I think I found my next deck
trail anvil
his sister seems really solid too
glad peak
i hope the professor isn't the one who came up with that text since it doesn't make sense lol
stark skiff
reading yugioh card jokes within the first 7 minutes 
glad peak
target attacking creature blocks this card 
sudden lava
why does it have split second?
granite badge
https://youtu.be/INxnJbwzvSk?si=Ih8I9hJmNuMQHvO6
These customs are asss
They literally tried making them as 1:1 as possible but that doesn't rlly work
Like ttt is unplayable
glad peak
Make it 1 mana and it’ll be a niche pick that actually has edge applications
The type of card like one with nothing people love while being cheap enough to have potential
(Also can’t remember the wording but if it said “if an ability of a creature an opponent controls is activated or triggered” then it can somewhat work)
golden plover
Wow Fortitude is... Fine?
Denial is... Kinda bad
Malice is okay
Duplication is good
golden plover
Yeah funny how these weren't from mythic to uncommon in like a year
golden plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1242509905869537421/...
There he is, Tamiyo's husband
copper pecan
twilit canyon
its been 3 years since zendikar rising
golden plover
Oh damn wtf
lusty trench
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1242510252834947203/...
Bulk mythic poggers
golden plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1242510252834947203/...
Wait that's really funky
Awful, but funky
lusty trench
Don’t know if this was revealed
golden plover
Commander mythic in the main set
sudden lava
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1242509905869537421/...
card alongside its tokens
twilit canyon
fury unban to save the format
golden plover
Modern* horizons 3
This is a very commander set
Like half the mythics aren't gonna be playable in draft or modern
"I can't wait to draft Arna and play the Esper Aura draft archetype"
They have played you for absolute fools
twilit canyon
players complain about game-warping mythics
print weaker mythics so as to make sure they dont warp modern
players complain they are for commander and not playable in modern
hilarious ppl also said the same about mh1 and mh2
"these mythics are just gonna be for commander. may as well call it commander horizons 2"
golden plover
I mean, there's always a few mythics that are explicitly commander cards every set
trail anvil
Denial is... Kinda bad
how do you arrive at denial being a bad card lol
golden plover
Stuff like Obeka
trail anvil
malice seems unplayable in fact
golden plover
how do you arrive at denial being a bad card lol
It's a little better than I was thinking, but the issue is having something to sacc for it
I was thinking of it in like pure control where it's just bad
golden plover
But as like a side deck card or something like merfolk, it's good, yeah
hidden ermine
Im also not sure on Duplication tbh
twilit canyon
duplication is worse than denial by a lot
hidden ermine
Malice is probably the worst of the cycle this time tho
trail anvil
I think duplication is niche but a free copy spell sounds like it goes hard
golden plover
I'm not sold on Fortitude
twilit canyon
malice has a small place bc of scam
golden plover
[[Angel's Grace]] is already legal in modern, right?
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twilit canyon
fortitude is going to be annoying with a specific white midrangedeck
golden plover
I know fortitude protects your board too tho
It's also probably the easiest to enable
trail anvil
funny enough flare of cultivation seems like it's gonna be the biggest problem on brawl specifically
green already has crazy ramp and this just enables t1 kami/grazer + this
twilit canyon
timeless in general but its gonna be fine since the green ramp lists dont run too many basics
golden plover
Cultivation is probably the best one imo
Most generally useful
Although I dunno what decks in modern would want it
glad peak
The entire cycle seems decent but half the cards feel like they’re for commander and the other half for modern
trail anvil
do you think rakdos scam would run malice cause it's free with an elemental
golden plover
The entire cycle seems decent but half the cards feel like they’re for commander...
I mean, that's kinda the whole set
Oh weird that cultivation is the only one at sorcery speed
glad peak
True 
golden plover
Malice being instant speed makes it better than it initially looks
In magical Christmas land, you can sacc your evoked grief to it, yeah
twilit canyon
can use it in response to removal on grief
golden plover
You should be able to, no?
twilit canyon
yes
golden plover
Yeah, it's probably decent then
Fortitude being able to dodge removal is also cute
Since you just sacc some chump to protect your big guy
trail anvil
honestly is denial specifically for merfolk? is there any other deck with expendable blue weenies in modern?
golden plover
Same with Duplication to turn their kill spell around
But I think the real goal of duplication is a combo deck
Play some big spell like creativity and sacc a 1/1 to get a second creativity
glad peak
Yep, either to copy a combo piece or to protect a combo
golden plover
It's probably more of a commander card than a modern card tho
granite badge
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Yooo modal dfcs with one color shocks???
granite badge
Seems pretty good ngl
golden plover
I like duplication a bit more than denial
I do think duplication is better than denial too, yeah
Red is more likely to have weenies and it's way more versatile
copper pecan
This is a very commander set
not gonna lie i'm really sick of seeing people say this
people say it about literally every set
golden plover
They wanna doomblade your guy or whatever? Cool, kill him first and doomblade their guy
granite badge
I think theres a grain of truth to it tbf
But I can understand getting annoyed by it
golden plover
Every set in the past couple years has been designed with commander in mind way more than the past, yeah
glad peak
Every set has some cards dedicated to commander in the main set, sucks but true
copper pecan
you really do not want them to print 300 new competitively viable modern cards in one set
twilit canyon
I like duplication a bit more than denial
denial working super well in merfolk makes it better overall
dupe will have a niche
golden plover
I mean they don't all need to be competitively viable
But stuff like "Esper Auras commander" didn't really fit the modern set
Unless auras are a draft theme for Esper, it's a weird slot in
But it's a 2c draft iirc
We don't know our signposts archetypes outside of stuff like Izzet being energy and Simic being Eldrazi
twilit canyon
ppl used to brew with cards like that in modern/standard whatnot
not just commander
golden plover
But I think we saw all of 2 spoiled auras counting the leaks, and one is in green
golden plover
I mean, yeah it works with+1/+1 counters too
twilit canyon
and equipment
golden plover
But we've only seen a couple of those in the colors
glad peak
Wait how does it work with mutate
golden plover
It's better than Obeka and Eriette were in that you can at least try and make her work in draft
But like... I don't think we're gonna get enough support in her colors for Draft
golden plover
Wait how does it work with mutate
They're not treated as attached to it
Stuff like [[Ivy, Gleeful Spell Thief]] does copy every mutate onto all your guys
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golden plover
But mutating doesn't attach the creature, they just become it?
glad peak
Bestow would trigger Ivy too, let me check the wording on mutate because it’s been a while
Yep it doesn’t attach, it merges
Which is a weird way of wording it in the rulings
golden plover
Yup, just found it
Mutate is a rules nightmare of a mechanic
Understandable we'll probably never see it again
It's one of those mechanics that plays more intuitively than it's rulings are
trail anvil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1242509214484660264/...
man I wanna use this card with a damage amp
golden plover
Which is saying something, considering in paper it plays funky
trail anvil
did we post this one yet
trail anvil
ah I didn't see the leak on this one
twilit canyon
ulamog is ulapog this time around
trail anvil
this is fucking insane lmao
imagine if this worked with [[bruvac, the grandiloquent]] to kill someone with a cast trigger
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golden plover
I think they did the right thing by making the majority of mutate cards just "keyword" and "whenever this creature mutates, effect". Anything more would make it super complex to track
twilit canyon
bruvac isnt modern legal anyways
twilit canyon
but yea i think mutate is neat and im p sure we will see it again
trail anvil
bruvac isnt modern legal anyways
o it isn't? TIL
what is jump start legal in even
wait only eternal formats
twilit canyon
ya
golden plover
but yea i think mutate is neat and im p sure we will see it again
Mutate is super low on the storm scale for a couple reasons:
- They've gotta keep track of the interactions with every non-human in the format
- Complexity
- Its super parasitic in that you can't just have it on 2-3 cards
It's neat, but it's very unlikely to show up outside of like a 1-off commander card
trail anvil
I disagree with 2 and 3. it's a pretty simple mechanic imo and as long as you have a decent effect you can get away with doing it as a 1-of
obviously it stacks the more mutate you put in but granting stats to cards that care about stats is fun (albeit a lot less relevant than you may first think)
I just want more power-related payoffs that aren't infect honestly
twilit canyon
its eldrazi's time to shine
subtle tendon
my modern deck is about to go dummy thic
twilit canyon
ugin's lab was printed specifically for u and u alone
trail anvil
special guest for mh3
fallow citrus
those elementals fuck
trail anvil
reanimator steadily getting more and more tools
granite badge
Whats special guest cards
fallow citrus
essentially just a list of reprints with exclusive alt arts and don't change legality of a card in a format
subtle tendon
are they hard to pull int he set?
golden plover
Yeah, a bit rarer than a given mythic
lusty trench
They’re about 0.8 per box from what I’ve seen
twilit canyon
do we get these special guest cards on arena <:peepoS:800572164054450188>
yes
trail anvil
did you already post your thoughts on evoke elementals in timeless
sleek ferry
0.8 per box is significantly harder to pull than a mythic
unless they changed mythic pull rates]
golden plover
We don't have official rates so we don't know
But mythics are slightly less uncommon now in the new boosters
Not by like a ton tho
zinc shard
Dear Wizards of the Coast:
Stop printing free counter spells!
Sincerely, the MTG community
golden plover
(Tbh these rates should be official somewhere)
twilit canyon
did you already post your thoughts on evoke elementals in timeless
its good to have them
wish we also got fow and fon
golden plover
Dear Wizards of the Coast:
Stop printing free counter spells!
Sincerely, the M...
The counterspell is like the most mid one
Pure control decks won't have a board to use it
It's gonna be for like exclusively merfolk and some funky combo decks
twilit canyon
wizards, keep printing free interaction
sincerely, the mtg community
golden plover
I do agree that counterspells being free can be a problem (you're supposed to know you're safe when they're tapped out of blue mana)
But like, this one isn't one that's gonna matter
Blue decks aren't gonna go-wide enough for this
fallow citrus
how long is the fetchland deal on for do we know
lusty trench
He's so cooked 💀💀💀
APEX DEVASTATOR WILL FINALLY BE SOMEWHAT REASONABLY PRICED CONSIDERING HOW SHIT IT IS
trail anvil
but look at how many times it says cascade on it
I want that in my deck right now too
hideous taskmaster is the most hilarious treachery effect I've seen though
fallow citrus
on cast as well damn
zinc shard
I'm sorry, "Everything Counter" might be one of the dumbest counter names we've gotten yet
Like surely there was a better name
copper pecan
the best part about this article was the flashbang of being reminded that duel masters' first extra deck was oficially called "the uberdimensional zone"
the english speaking playerbase usually tries to stay consistent with the official english terminology for stuff from after the english version of the game got discontinued but that name is the one thing they completely ignore
stark skiff
Don’t know if this was revealed
this looks pretty fun
copper pecan
trail anvil
tru tbh
trail anvil
so I'm having fun in omniscience draft
zinc shard
copper pecan
i really should have expected the punchline but it still made me laugh
golden plover
Oh man imagine pulling this in your rare slot
I know this used to be a commander staple, but this card SUCKS
Especially for non-commander formats
They should've downshifted her ngl
Ehh, probably couldn't downshift her for draft but OOF
Weird upshift, but always a good card for draft
sleek ferry
very eh
zinc shard
https://preview.redd.it/uk4bpxeg1z1d1.png?auto=webp&s=e82a839a478e837f178199265e...
On the bright side, her token might actually be affordable now
golden plover
Now this one is a good card
Do remember that finality counters exile when it leaves the field
glad peak
Welp this goes into my discontinued BW mini cube
Fits literally everything the cube wants
copper pecan
They should've downshifted her ngl
no they absolutely shouldn't have
a limited format with ophiomancer at uncommon sounds fucking terrible
golden plover
Nah I realized as I said it she's never been draftable before and it's not ideal
She's gonna feel bad to hit at rare tho
golden plover
Honestly this is really interesting for draft tbh
Being able to draft your duals and signpost uncommons on the same card feels solid
Oh this is fucked up
hidden ermine
The black green MDFC seems like the best no?
golden plover
That or the Boros one
Which is interesting because they're both part of 3 color themes so they just use an effect that's in their colors
Azorious and Izzet both do energy and Selsenya and Orzhov both do auras
The Orzhov one is very good in limited
twilit canyon
The black green MDFC seems like the best no?
its p damn solid yeah
golden plover
I think the winners are Golgari, Orzhov, Simic (because creature and you can use it for the ugin land) and Boros
The losers are Azorious, Rakdos, and Izzet
The rest are fine
Note this is exclusively for limited
trail anvil
the golgari one is literally a standard playable card on its front face
I'm kinda amazed they didn't push it up a mana considering how they costed the other stuff
golden plover
The Orzhov one isn't good outside of draft, but never underestimate an evasive lifelink card in draft
trail anvil
I think izzet's is fine but you gotta be in energy
trail anvil
I feel like it's okay enough to justify the land flexibility
we are getting a ton of energy support incoming
sleek ferry
The cost for the golgari one is super weird
granite badge
so if i'm understanding this right;
blue-white= energy control
blue-black = flash matters
red-black=life loss matters(?)
red-green = stompy creatures
black- green = pretty generic effect for both colors so can't really tell
green-white= same deal as above
red-white = usual boros combat trick shenagins
black-white = same as golgari
red-blue = energy matters
blue- green = eldrazi(extremely based)
golden plover
so if i'm understanding this right;
blue-white= energy control
blue-black = flas...
Mostly. Black/Green should also be in auras since both it's colors are and Red/White should also be in energy
But I imagine Red/White is more energy aggro than the other two and Black/Green is probably "aura value matters"
trail anvil
I dig the blue black one for diluting the tutor pool honestly
use that in some deck like ub fairies
trail anvil
ye
trail anvil
now give us 1000 ozolith reprints to match
granite badge
because reducing variance is just that important to certain decks
trail anvil
+1 counter decks are so expensive
granite badge
not as much as in yugioh though 
twilit canyon
now give us 1000 ozolith reprints to match <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
reprint urza's saga first
ur not going anywhere without for a scales deck
golden plover
reprint urza's saga first
Saga is likely gonna get a retro border reprint... In collectors boosters only
Wtf legendary creature at common
Oh they're actually straight up the first
Don't think I like that
modern minnow
technically i think chandler was a common
copper pecan
grandure at common makes so much more sense than it did at rare
rigid scarab
Don't think I like that
A card like this I think makes sense at common
golden plover
grandure at common makes so much more sense than it did at rare
100%
rigid scarab
Remember legendary is a balancing mechanic
golden plover
technically i think chandler was a common
Chandler/Joven and all the Legends ones are technically uncommons but were considered common when brought to MTGO
sleek ferry
Common legendary?
golden plover
So they're like grandfathered into Pauper and stuff
This is the first legendary creature printed at common that's actually a common
glad peak
So close to us getting fireblast
Instead we have to pay 6 mana before we can pay the alt costs
zinc shard
[[Swan Song]]
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sudden lava
sucks this is like one of the worst legendaries for commander, but for the rarity ya cant really blame em.
golden plover
Not every card is a commander card
twilit canyon
yea
golden plover
Grandeur was a mechanic from time spiral
twilit canyon
this is explicitly not for commander
glad peak
It is, however, the worst way they could’ve given us fireblast
subtle tendon
@twilit canyon I’m ready sensei, teach me the blade 
twilit canyon
well we are still going to wait on the rest of mh3 stuff for eldrazi tron
but one card u will be adding tot he deck is ugins lab
like
subtle tendon
yeah for sure
twilit canyon
more or less all of e-tron will have to be reshaped
subtle tendon
ugin's lab x4 and the new ulamog
twilit canyon
at least for creatures
new ulamog is situational
toss it in the side
the one thats going to be huge is the new one that fixes the top of the library
twilit canyon
chalice on 1 will be solid but we have a lot of free spells that ignore it
so its a card u can side
subtle tendon
half the new eldrazi seem like random shit so I'll have to read through it
twilit canyon
they are tryin gto make it viable to splash
subtle tendon
yeah, im racist tho so idk how to play other colors
subtle tendon
s blue just for the unsealing enchament
twilit canyon
[[nulldrifter]] too
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Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent.)
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
4/4
subtle tendon
that card seems good but last time I played a real game of modern, I died on turn 3 to some hammer shit
twilit canyon
[[devourer of destiny]]
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twilit canyon
this is the guy
pitches to ugin's and fixes the top of the deck
and removes on cast
fucking stupid card lol
[[null elemental blast]] will also be something u wanna side
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twilit canyon
ah this is the other land i was thinking about [[deserted temple]]
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Land
: Add .
, : Untap target land.
A monument to long-forgotten gods, it stands as a tribute to the fleeting nature of human ways.
twilit canyon
and im torn on [[it that heralds the end]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Colorless spells you cast with mana value 7 or greater cost less to cast.
Other colorless creatures you control get +1/+1.
"At first we ignored the little ones. By the time we realized our error, it was too late." —General Tazri, allied commander
2/2
subtle tendon
I read that card and it seemed good on paper but then I realized so many other 2 drops just shit on this
it's basically begging that you play it turn 1
twilit canyon
coming down on t1 lets it get ahead of the curve yeah
im also rather interested in [[echoes of eternity]]
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twilit canyon
i doubt it has a place in the deck but its interesting to think about
and the new kozilek is surely way better than it reads
on cast can draw 2 or 4 cards
and if it resolves you have 2 5/4s in play and a 9/9
subtle tendon
im on the fence about that one
cause you're competiting with every 9 drop in the same slot as it
twilit canyon
oh right actually the big thing im going to want to test on eldrazi tron is playing blue/green
for nulldrifter and [[thief of existence]]
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twilit canyon
creatures rarely matter to you in the deck since you will be bigger than they are
twilit canyon
cause you're competiting with every 9 drop in the same slot as it
its probably better than most of them
subtle tendon
the emra with the cost reduc?
twilit canyon
moreso im just not sure if theres room in the deck
subtle tendon
ceaseless hunger is also still pretty good too
twilit canyon
theres no actual way to discard in the deck rn
yeah ceaseless hunger is the one u will 100% run
on cast exile 2 is brutal still
subtle tendon
yeah
twilit canyon
new ulamog is also very good but its situational
new kozilek's thing is
is draw 2 and make 2 bodies going to be better than playing the one ring for card advantage
or is it better than reality smasher
either way for the minor splash [[cavern of souls]] has become mandatory
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Land
As Cavern of Souls enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
: Add .
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell of the chosen type, and that spell can't be countered.
twilit canyon
with map + [[urza's cavern]] you can draw it on demand
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Land — Urza's Cave
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Urza's Cave: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
No matter how deep Urza delved, he couldn't escape his regrets.
twilit canyon
and this land also enables tron
so basically though
reality smasher is most likely leaving the deck
it was always just a beater
subtle tendon
yeah ngl that card has always been kind of meh
twilit canyon
tks maybe leaves?
subtle tendon
tks is possible turn 2 mor eoften now
twilit canyon
discard has become worse and worse as time has gone on in mtg due to the nature of how strong individual cards drawn can be
subtle tendon
that's a hard one
twilit canyon
it is
t2 tks
but modern is doing t1 double discard and play a 4/3
and its not even the best thing in the meta
subtle tendon
has anything in mh3 been has insaley pushed as other mh?
twilit canyon
yeah the eldrazi cards more or les
lol
ugin's lab is one of the most broken cards they have had the audacity to print
subtle tendon
I keep up with mh to know the sets are like link vrains pack level
and that people hate them for how much they shift modern
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Land
: Add . Ancient Tomb deals 2 damage to you.
There is no glory to be gained in the kingdom of the dead. —Vec tomb inscription
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Land
When you play another land, sacrifice City of Traitors.
: Add .
"While we fought, the il surrendered." —Oracle en-Vec
twilit canyon
issues are on the wall about it
subtle tendon
yeah idk why they let you get the card back lol
twilit canyon
ugin's lab says yea fuck it bro be a sol land no drawback and get the card back when u dont need me
golden plover
Even if it didn't get the card back it'd be fucked
twilit canyon
dont need the sol land? i still work
golden plover
But it getting the card back is mega fucked
twilit canyon
devourer of destiny is also insane
golden plover
Card's gonna be a problem somewhere
twilit canyon
eldrazi decks didnt need an enabler for the sol land and a fixing free spell
twilit canyon
4
subtle tendon
just to have it every hand
subtle tendon
[[devourer of destiny]]
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twilit canyon
thins the deck + fixes your draw
golden plover
They've also got the draw 3 enchant
twilit canyon
that one im not sold on
subtle tendon
ok this might sound troll
twilit canyon
[[kozilek
golden plover
I dunno if it's worth playing but it reads solid to me
subtle tendon
but do you still play karn
twilit canyon
[[kozilek's unsealing]]
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Enchantment
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 4, 5, or 6, create two 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 7 or greater, draw three cards.
twilit canyon
but do you still play karn
not troll to ask
but idt so
i also think u dont need one ring
golden plover
Theoretically if this comes form early, it can swing the game fast
twilit canyon
because unsealing isnt a kindred enchantment
golden plover
It's ramp and draw 3
twilit canyon
its way harder to justify
granite badge
This does nothing unless you manage to plop down bigger cards
Reads a tad win more
twilit canyon
its good to consider karn tgc and one ring since they are very broken cards
but it is possible u dont need them at all
and they would just slow your deck down
granite badge
Whats tgc
golden plover
[[Karn, the great creator]]
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subtle tendon
i also think u dont need one ring
I just bought 2 
store credit but still
twilit canyon
[[eldrazi ravager]]
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Creature — Eldrazi
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent.)
Sacrifice two Eldrazi: Return Eldrazi Ravager from your graveyard to your hand.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
6/6
twilit canyon
hm
twilit canyon
I just bought 2 <:PeepoCry:652734095008333834> store credit but still
cards busto
its likely going to still be good to run
but my thought process is that it may be awkward to actually cast it
think of a draw like this
t1 reveal a devourer and fix the top 4 cards
play ugin's lab exile devourer cast herald
t2 eldrazi temple
if 4 mana card is the one ring and not tks
you cant cast one ring
karn also has this issue
subtle tendon
yeah that's true
there's a new green eldrazi that mana ramps but I can't remember if it was cmc 3 or 4
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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, create two 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this creature: Add ."
Reach
Whenever you sacrifice another Eldrazi, put a +1/+1 counter on Writhing Chrysalis.
2/3
subtle tendon
that's not the one
twilit canyon
also e-tron likely will either want [[chromatic star]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice Chromatic Star: Add one mana of any color.
When Chromatic Star is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
"This item is not from ... now. It reflects a sky no longer ours and gleams with hope that does not exist." —Tavalus, acolyte of Korlis
subtle tendon
twilit canyon
that way you can more consistently t3 nulldrifter through its evoke and thief of existence if you need to show the opponent its really like that
oh this one yeah
it was leaked
so i couldnt find it thru scryfall
its dece but also isnt a real t2 card
zinc shard
I got Kicker mixed up with Evoke for a second and got really scared
subtle tendon
🤔
zinc shard
ye
zinc shard
probably good in limited
subtle tendon
[[chromatic sphere]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice Chromatic Sphere: Add one mana of any color. Draw a card.
"As expected, this sphere's design reflects the colors of the four moons . . . plus another?" —Pontifex, elder researcher
twilit canyon
star does the same
subtle tendon
you're just reducing the tron lands because you can search them out/they compete with lab?
twilit canyon
yeah
cave and map both tutor for the one u really want (tower)
but cave can also become a cavern of souls or an urza's saga
trail anvil
[[kozilek, the broken reality]]
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trail anvil
good card 😩 👌
copper pecan
i bet this is the card that gavin was talking about that's gonna get banned in pauper
cranial plating was banned for the same reason
trail anvil
holy shit that's hilarious
glad peak
Very likely the card in question
But for modern, huh
Not the typical colors but another plating effect and with living weapon this time
twilit canyon
yeah surely u just splash
fallow citrus
the living weapon part is crazy for that
zinc shard
Calamity is busted in Draft
zinc shard
First draft I've ever gotten 7 wins
