So the tech shouldn't work here
#Magic the Gathering
golden plover
subtle sierra
why does this sentence have the same vibe as "there are many benefits to being a marine biologist"
idk why is this so funny to me
golden plover
That was the whole reason Jin had to use Kamigawa to upgrade the phyresis process in the first place in Neon Dynasty
Because the reality chip doesn't work elsewhere
twilit canyon
why does this sentence have the same vibe as "there are many benefits to being a...
there are many benefits of being a planeswalker
subtle sierra
true!
golden plover
Also the whole train system doesn't make sense, but I guess that's ignorable for now
They've got a whole network of trains in various cities throughout thunder junction that got built in like 2 years
rigid scarab
why does this sentence have the same vibe as "there are many benefits to being a...
It had the vibes of "the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural"
granite badge
Tbf expecting WOTC world building to be any deeper than rule of cool is overthinking it
Theres very little development for locations or characters beyond the barebones needed to function and comphrehend
zinc shard
Saw this post on Reddit, it was an advertisement but ha some cool combos
pulsar talon
Neat
twilit canyon
the magic arena team recommending their players to craft some of the worst cards imaginable for funny combos
sudden lava
we can make this a meme format
zinc shard
Step 1: Start a game of Commander with Phage as your commander
Step 2: Cast Phage
Step 3: Game 2
golden plover
This is the best story we've had in a long time
Thunder Junction still isn't working as a setting and there's constant retcons and plotholes, but Obeka and Nashi were well written and it was overall good
golden plover
twilit canyon
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/a-long-way-from-home
@clever sun obeka content
golden plover
This is the fourth set in a row with a panharmonicon effect in it
Guess every set has one now
Not sure I like "varmint" being a creature type
It's not a type of animal, it's a general cowboy term for annoying animals
lusty trench
"a mechanic players have been asking for years"
golden plover
Anything can be a varmint
lusty trench
Clash?
golden plover
It's worded like it's a new mechanic
But this does make the most sense for a place for clash to return
lusty trench
A mechanic called Duel maybe?
golden plover
Maybe?
Also... Wow these card names are really lazy
"Reach for the Sky", "High Noon", and "This Town Ain't Big Enough"
Legendary Creature - Giant Scout implies a Fomori btw
Unless they get type retconned
golden plover
Everyone is here, so fuck it why not
Oh wait...it's not a fomori
Blue Ox, it's Paul Bunyan
Lame
sudden lava
lusty trench
I wonder what that could be
sudden lava
From the leaks in order
- || Outlaw batches Rogues, Warlocks, Pirates, Assassins, and Mercenaries together.||
- ||Desert ||dual lands but wait they also ||ping a target for one.||
- see below spoiler
golden plover
Oh that's funny formatting
It's very cleave in that it looks like a custom magic card
trail anvil
You can’t cast this spell during your first, second, or third turns of the game.
this one's interesting
fallow citrus
reverse [[once upon a time]]
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trail anvil
copper pecan
"a mechanic players have been asking for years"
i'm pretty sure this is ||saddle|| from the leaks
also high noon confirmed as a card, all is right in the world
anyways i really doubt clash is coming back, it has a lot of serious problems
mainly that even if you fill your deck with high cost cards you still have a pretty large chance of losing the clash
it would work fine in a game like duel masters where you can have literally every card in your deck be 7 mana without being locked out of the game, but in a game where lands exist i don't think clash is a workable mechanic
sudden lava
i'm pretty sure this is ||saddle|| from the leaks
yeah definitely is
granite badge
||saddle?||
copper pecan
||it's a leaked mechanic where you can tap creatures to give a buff to the creature with saddle until end of turn||
||like crew but it goes on cards that are already creatures||
sudden lava
||saddle?||
granite badge
Interesting
trail anvil
man the monored deck in the secret event is genuinely unplayable lmao
zinc shard
same with the Queen Kayla deck
trail anvil
I haven't touched that one and only played against it once, does it not have a good curve? cause kayla is pretty self-sufficient normally
zinc shard
I think i was playting it wrong tbh, it plays like an aggro deck
golden plover
Ya know... Face/Off fits the theme for Ravnica split card formatting
golden plover
Where the fuck is this massive graveyard?
Where is Gisa getting all these zombies from?
The plane has been only been around for 2 years?
lusty trench
Why is the wood for the grave rotting
Why are they all decayed to a similar level
golden plover
Did everyone show up 2 years ago, immediately die, and then make graves?
I'm 100% convinced the "empty plane until 2 years ago" thing was super last minute
They totally couldn't think of a proper way to handle the manifest destiny issue and backed into the worst possible outcome
lusty trench
Where are they getting the stone to build these graves
Where are they getting the wood
Is that fucking grass I see growing on a desert plane
golden plover
I mean, all the buildings are built out of wood?
lusty trench
I get that but like
golden plover
I dunno, I guess they're just bringing it with them from Ravnica or whatever???
lusty trench
How
golden plover
It doesn't make sense
They totally changed this plane to be empty last minute so they wouldn't have to talk about manifest destiny
Especially considering Annie is from a navajo-themed plane and has a Navajo name
I've seen people go "this is a setting with literal magic, they can build towns in 2 years"
Which, while true, is really weird to have fully established communities
It's kinda been an issue for all the "checklist" planes lately
New Capenna and Kaldheim notably
Not having enough time to fully expand on the world building so it's just "Theme plane"
But this one is the worst because there's no backstory for the plane. It just popped up after MOM
copper pecan
Did everyone show up 2 years ago, immediately die, and then make graves?
they bring this up in the story
Thunder Junction was uninhabited before the Omenpaths, and those didn't happen until after the invasion, so how can this place be so built-up and so big? Why? I don't think this whole plane has made this many corpses." She folded her arms, seemingly determined to sulk. "I don't like it when people play silly games with dead things, unless 'people' means 'me.'"
twilit canyon
it looks like she brought her hoard of dead with her
golden plover
Nah, they've all got cowboy hats
I guess the bit about it is alright, but it doesn't really explain it
They did mention one corpsecaller from Innistrad bringing bodyguard zombies, but thatd only be a few
twilit canyon
a few from glissa is probably like a couple thousand
thats like
her deal
why tf is the record button so close to the msg button
lusty trench
it looks like she brought her hoard of dead with her
How are they crawling out from undisturbed grass?
golden plover
why tf is the record button so close to the msg button
Discord loves making updates worse
golden plover
How are they crawling out from undisturbed grass?
Also, how are they wearing cowboy hats
twilit canyon
she put them on the zombies
lusty trench
Innistrad been feeling funky
golden plover
Gisa wouldn't play dress-up with them
twilit canyon
she absolutely would
golden plover
She doesn't care about them enough for that
Maybe like one or two
But 95% of her zombies are just tools to her
She's not like Liliana who has favorites and gives them names and stuff
lusty trench
Geralf would I think because he focuses on one amalgam so he has time to get attached
golden plover
Yeah Geralf does typically give some of his creations names
I'd have to reread the Gisa and Geralf story from SOI and MOM but I don't think Gisa ever really cared about the zombies
lusty trench
Iirc gisa and Geralfs story in MOM was just them getting competitive and repairing their relationship
Basically saying we can find out who's method is best by amount killed
golden plover
Oh yeah not only does Gisa not give them names, she doesn't even see Wilhelt, who has some form of sentience, as anything more than a "Meat Puppet"
She calls him that to his face
And he's seemingly more cognizant than her entire army
twilit canyon
thats bc wilhelt is very sentient and has a love for gisa that she doesnt care about
golden plover
Yeah, but he's the only named zombie in her stories and the only one she acknowledges as anything more than a toy to taunt her brother
lusty trench
As a reminder do not order shit from this company
lusty trench
Iirc the quality of it varied wildly
Some can't hold sleeved cards, some the lids don't fit on etc
golden plover
Wasn't it advertised as being able to hold a double sleeved commander deck or 2 60 card decks?
Iirc you've gotta break the commander deck into 3 piles and even then it doesn't really fit
twilit canyon
i believe so
tho sometimes it works other times it doesnt
quality is all over the place
golden plover
Yeah definitely not worth the $130
Although the mental misstep is about that price
It was always apparent tho you were paying $130 for the misstep and getting a deckbox as a bonus
golden plover
So according to some friends in judge circles stickers are about to get errated out of existence
They're gonna match the MTGO errattas for the cards we do have
The only card that's confirmed to be getting a change is Mind Goblin then
He's just gonna match his MTGO text
hidden ermine
MTGO erratas?
golden plover
Yeah I'm glad they're eliminating the sticker decks
Dunno if they're gonna change the text on anything else or not
But the 3 commander players will be very sad
golden plover
MTGO erratas?
Mind Goblin is the only card in MTGO that uses stickers
This is his errata there
copper pecan
i am never going to call this name sticker goblin
it will always be mind goblin in my heart
golden plover
Everyone calls him mind goblin
That's his name
I wonder if this change will just also retroactively make every sticker card illegal in commander
Other than Mind Goblin
Or if they're gonna change the others to have new effects too
Feels like too much work for cards that don't see play anywhere
twilit canyon
mind goblin sees a ton of play
golden plover
That's why he's getting the errata
He's specifically mentioned to get his MTGO text
I just dunno what the plan is for the other 99% of sticker cards that are completely irrelevant
twilit canyon
but its mtgo text is the reason its seeing a ton of play
golden plover
It's MTGO text is actually a bit worse
The thing is that it being on MTGO is huge for legacy
Because 99% of legacy is played there
None of the other sticker cards matter for legacy and so I assume they'll just go "yeah they're silver border now" but we'll see when the announcement comes out
twilit canyon
no like
mind goblin is played bc its got a big chance to always be more mana than the paper version
golden plover
Not really? It's mathematically a little worse
There's 3 sheets with guaranteed 4 mana, 1 sheet with 5, and then the rest
So when picking your sheets, you're almost always guaranteed 4
lusty trench
The mtgo is better
golden plover
Yeah the MTGO one is pretty close to the same card, but it's very slightly worse from the math standpoint
Either way, this is a positive change
lusty trench
The mid range for the paper one is 4
twilit canyon
its an unecessary buff to the card
golden plover
But I assume mind goblin will in fact be the only sticker card that gets a change and the rest are just "yeah it's silver border now"
They might randomly give them all new oracle text, but that doesn't seem likely
lusty trench
Is this cedh viable because it's basically free mana?
twilit canyon
only mtgo text generally
lusty trench
So this change is paper legal now?
golden plover
only mtgo text generally
I've seen mind goblin in paper cedh
golden plover
So this change is paper legal now?
Not yet, this is just judge hearsay rn
But it seems like it's coming soonish
twilit canyon
which tbf i have heard nothing about
golden plover
We just don't have an official announcement yet
I'm just hearing from a few friends in judge circles this is being planned
It'd make sense, but it's also entirely possible this is just a few judges going "oh here's how this change would affect paper"
lusty trench
Cool I'll pick one of these up from my locals bulk bin on Monday then
golden plover
They're like $1 each
lusty trench
Not at my local bulk bin
The lgs owners do not know anything about magic
They have had midnight hunt duals in their bulk bins before
golden plover
I dunno how much this would affect the price of mind goblin tho tbh
Since most legacy play is MTGO
fallow citrus
I mean is it being planned or is it just cope
cause I have seen a lot of posts on the legacy sub because of people hating the sticker deck idea
and how you can angle shoot using the sticker sheet by presenting one with no sticker cards in your main deck
copper pecan
yeah that's the thing i dislike the most about stickers
if you don't bring a sticker sheet you are giving your opponent the information that you aren't playing mind goblin
so even if you can't use the stickers it's still optimal to bring this game piece that doesn't do anything for your deck
fallow citrus
also if you don't have a sticker sheet and you play reanimation cards you literally cannot revive a mind goblin and use the effect
having a sticker sheet gives you an automatic advantage until you take your turn
also it just takes up extra time in the round
which if they do change it to the mtgo version will be the reason they give I imagine
golden plover
I mean is it being planned or is it just cope
According to the judges I was talking to, it's "in the cards"
But that might be them coping
golden plover
also if you don't have a sticker sheet and you play reanimation cards you litera...
Wait what?? I didn't know that
fallow citrus
well yeah
you don't have stickers
so you can reanimate it but you can't add mana
golden plover
Okay yeah that change is necessary then
Wasn't there supposed to be some official feature to do digital tracking of sticker sheets for the gatherer app?
Whatever happened to that?
fallow citrus
the mtgo one doesn't add mana if you reanimate it either
but it just meant if you did play stickers in your reanimator deck you had a chance to add mana, not that it would have mattered too much
golden plover
Oh it does say "anywhere other than a graveyard or exile"
But yeah, it sucked to have to do the whole charade of showing off 5 sticker sheets just to not reveal you're not running mind goblin
Tbh that was exactly the issue people said would come from one of these being legacy playable
copper pecan
the mtgo one doesn't add mana if you reanimate it either
if you're talking about reanimating it from your opponent's graveyard, you still wouldn't be able to put a sticker on it even if you did have the sticker sheet
you can only sticker cards that you own
fallow citrus
oh sure
golden plover
you can only sticker cards that you own
Forgot about that. That rule both makes sense and makes it even harder to make these cards work competitively
zinc shard
golden plover
Lmao look at this legacy elves list from the recent events
Elves is down to 0 elves
golden plover
Yeah, apparently they were calling it elves during the event because the elf core is no elf cards but I thought it was vaguely funny that to improve the elf core you just cut the elves
twilit canyon
im not sure what the "elf core" is supposed to be
do they mean running natural order?
gsz?
fallow citrus
forests are pretty elfcore
fallow citrus
but yeah idk what that list has to do with elves
golden plover
Elves are from those
I dunno, people were calling it elves in the chats I'm in
Was vaguely funny to see it called "elves" and see 0 elf cards
trail anvil
man wandering emperor throws off everything I know about the control mirror
waxen timber
A while ago elves were getting crushed and just unviable. Then a build called Newton Elves emerged that based the deck around Fiend Artisan and not around glipse
twilit canyon
fiend artisan proved a superior card to glimpse (mostly bc obm destroys glimpse decks)
lusty trench
Just found out nethroi counts negative numbers towards its total 10 power revive
sudden lava
lusty trench
Lowest CMC on a vraska to date
trail anvil
I guess her spark cost 1 mana
glad peak
1 blue mana
fallow citrus
lol, lmao even https://x.com/Mengu09/status/1771514606386655673?s=20
Twitter
golden plover
New versions of this are gonna keep popping up until they hit foothills yeah?
fallow citrus
well yeah but this one just isn't as consistent or protected as having t3 outburst on your opps turn
mainly cause you need delirium for the 2 mana dude
golden plover
I guess that's a little bit better then. But like that'd mean the problem hit is Footfall right?
fallow citrus
of course but you need decks like footfalls otherwise titan/yawg just fill the void it leaves
and having to do it all at sorcery speed makes it better too
golden plover
Ah fair
atomic harness
of course but you need decks like footfalls otherwise titan/yawg just fill the v...
sorry kidge, my mother told me prime time is the best deck 
(affectionate)
fallow citrus
sorry kidge, my mother told me prime time is the best deck <:Ahri7:9825096639396...
probably true tbh
clever sun
Yawg and Titan are the best decks overall. Shit format. How is green allowed to be this good 
atomic harness
unban fury cowards 
modern minnow
i love magic story
copper pecan
"you can still prove your ravnica allegiance to the guilds of ravnica"
modern minnow
"we don't have to make this a War of the Spark"
golden plover
"This really is a Core Set 2021"
lusty trench
And this time we’ll really commander legends battle for baldurs gate
trail anvil
why would you run this many deathtouch creatures in crucias wtf
lusty trench
Oop
Hopefully since the OG artist has done work with wizards this was done consensually
trail anvil
bruh is there usually this much plagiarism in mtg art
lusty trench
It's not usually this common
I think with people looking out for ai art you find this stuff along the way more commonly
copper pecan
lately there seems to have been an uptick in this
anyways spoilers have now officially begun
lusty trench
Oh shit
copper pecan
New Haunt
Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, if you haven't cast a spell from your hand this turn and ~ isn't a creature, then it becomes a 3/3 spirit creature with flying in addition to its other types.
2U: Surveil 1.
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lusty trench
This is most certainly an uncommon
copper pecan
also if you're at all interested in the story i recommend you read it before the big reveal stream tomorrow since the last chapter has a huge twist in it that the stream will 100% spoil for sure
atomic harness
I read this as trouble in paris
sudden lava
anyways spoilers have now officially begun
dont they start tomorrow?
golden plover
lately there seems to have been an uptick in this
Isn't it because they've got a lot tighter deadlines?
Art has to be done for sets way quicker
So way more likely to end up with art like this
copper pecan
dont they start tomorrow?
yeah but the weibo account started early because it's the 26th in china
golden plover
This is stolen art from cyberpunk. Artist is aware
This might actually end up being a legal battle considering White Wolf is in the same space as Wotc
And funnily enough, this is a very well known MTG artist too
trail anvil
Isn't it because they've got a lot tighter deadlines?
not to excuse plagiarizing, but it sounds like they really need to ease up on these deadlines if this is what it's resulting in
of course we are talking about wizards/hasbro though
I'm sure they don't want to hire more artists and/or release less sets
that said if they do more UB like fallout you can just ask for their art 
golden plover
Yeah I dunno if it's the guidelines or what
But they gotta do something considering this is the 3rd case of plagiarism in less than 12 months
(Wayfarer's Baubel in LCC and The Bolas in the Prismatic Bridge in the Godmachie Lair)
This was also used commercially
So that makes this way worse
trail anvil
was the crux of fate plagiarism within the last 12 months too? iirc that was woe spellbook
golden plover
Nah, it was Strixhaven
It's like 2 years ago now
But 3 in 12 months is kinda crazy
And that's only the ones that were noticed
Who knows how much was stolen from artists who aren't well known
trail anvil
o right
copper pecan
Desert Sprout (?)
Sorcery
Return up to one creature card form your graveyard to the battlefield. Return up to one permanent card form your graveyard to your hand.
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golden plover
It's funny that 2/3 of the last plagiarism incidents happened from other Wotc artists or in the case of the prismatic Bridge, directly other MTG art
copper pecan
Escape Illusions (Story Spotlight)
Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)
+1 - exile target nontoken creature. Return it to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
+2 - choose target creature. If there are no other creatures with power greater than it, destroy it.
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sudden lava
Lavaspur Boots 1
Artifact- Equipment [uncommon]
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has haste and ward 1. (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays 1.)
Equip 1
golden plover
Escape Illusions (Story Spotlight)
Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional ...
I don't like that this doesn't interact with itself
Feels weird that it has two unrelated modes
copper pecan
if they only did these like that this mechanic would have barely any design space
golden plover
Good card tho
zinc shard
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iAi0bCPSYzaPjPZDRcEUqIyiePSoTFimKBT...
Didnt we just get a card like this in standard?
sudden lava
Didnt we just get a card like this in standard?
I dont think so?
copper pecan
there's [[boots of speed]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has haste.
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Click your heels and become the wind.
copper pecan
but that rotated out a while ago
trail anvil
Escape Illusions (Story Spotlight)
Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional ...
this looks fun for blink decks but a bit overcosted usually, maybe the modality will make it real good who knows
trail anvil
trail anvil
so much blink already
fucking what lmao
I wanna see a fun legendary matters deck with this, and wylie beckert is killing it on the art
trail anvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KfAI3KMOm8&t=221s&ab_channel=TheCommandZone
||damn jorael is threatening, how many times did he rebuild that board||
rigid scarab
||damn jorael is threatening, how many times did he rebuild that board||
||Was that really jorael||
rigid scarab
This not being a story spotlight is really funny to me
copper pecan
subtle sierra
||isn't the second +1 bonkers good||
copper pecan
it's very good, yes
lusty trench
Sheeesh
Also here have more
Mana drain is also confirmed as a reprint along with og oko
golden plover
Feels wrong to see Kellan without an adventure
lusty trench
I think it fits as it's him at the end of his adventure
lusty trench
He's hungry
copper pecan
he just walked through one
literally the first thing we saw go through an omenpath was a random elemental
lusty trench
They can bring non sentient things through yeah
golden plover
I forgot non-sentient things can go through omenpaths
lusty trench
Once the doors open you can kind just bring shit through till it's closed
golden plover
Still really weird to have the gitrog monster here
lusty trench
Idk who thought it was a good idea to let gitrog through one but ig the people of innistrad went fuck it one less thing to worry about
lusty trench
||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/122219119561933219...
They leyline on my anticipation until I plot
twilit canyon
||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/122219119561933219...
oh this is actually insane
granite badge
Man that magda card is a straight downgrade from the original
I guess main upside is you don't have to do dwarf tribal to get the payoff
lusty trench
Magda was never about the one treasure gen though it was good
The search and play was huge
twilit canyon
worse for combo better for raw value
copper pecan
god if i see another person complain about (insert new mechanic here) being "just kicker again" i'm gonna lose my mind
twilit canyon
its always been kicker. everything is kicker. and horsemanship.
copper pecan
oh shit [[mana drain]] is on the bonus sheet
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Instant
Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next main phase, add an amount of 
equal to that spell's mana value.
Enthusiasm is no match for preparation.
copper pecan
[[torpor orb]] in standard
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lusty trench
HUH
copper pecan
huge for hbrawl
fallow citrus
white dress down zamn
lusty trench
lusty trench
white dress down zamn
Sadly not as good because it doesn't hit etbs iirc because the etb trigger goes on the stack before this can remove the ability
I could be wrong though I'm not entirely sure how it works
golden plover
The "+" on the spree symbol looks so weird tbh
Looks like they didn't remove a Photoshop element, but I know it's on purpose
Cool design space tho
Do we know if you can cast a spree card without any additional costs?
golden plover
That's not terrible tbh
There might be times where you need to just cast a spell for the sake of casting something
That's the second of the original partners we've seen (Bruce's art was revealed)
lusty trench
What a downgrade
golden plover
Would be really weird if they put them all on this plane
Although Tymna, but bad would be funny
copper pecan
i guess this explains what was going on in gisa and geralf's side story
lusty trench
I like how the vault cards set is BIG
golden plover
Why are there dinosaurs in the vault tho?
The vault only had some artifacts and the Fomori baby
Yup looks like we're gonna get all the original partners as signpost uncommons
Weird
copper pecan
there are so many glup shittos in this set
lusty trench
Why are there dinosaurs in the vault tho?
Borderlands reference
golden plover
lusty trench
Also the Dino turns into an artifact so I assume it's fake
golden plover
It's crazy how much green creatures get pushed nowadays
lusty trench
Oh hell nah I don't want to run into that in draft
twilit canyon
and they still suck fucking ass lmao
paying for the sins of oko and uro
4-5 years later is crazy
lusty trench
Aw man vial smasher doesn't have the random gimmick
Guess he's gotten a lot better at aiming
twilit canyon
i like the gy ability of this but then u need to have it discarded some way
would have really liked cycling g on it
golden plover
Consider how recently [[Nullside Ferox]] was considered the best you can do for 4 in green
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Creature — Beast
Hexproof
You can't cast noncreature spells.
: Nullhide Ferox loses all abilities until end of turn. Any player may activate this ability.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Nullhide Ferox, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
6/6
golden plover
Well, not the best you can do, but was considered pushed
golden plover
Yeah, but Ferox was intentionally pushed and still had downside
lusty trench
People still cope it whenever discard becomes relevant
golden plover
This is WAY more pushed with all upside
twilit canyon
and its still bad
green creatures dont get pushed in the right way
or a way that matters
golden plover
I mean it might be good in standard idunno
lusty trench
It seems like limited only and even then guff triplets seems like it was better than this at that role
golden plover
But my thing is that it's wild how crazy the powercreep has been lately
lusty trench
God I hate guff triples in wilds draft
golden plover
Guff is great (my one in person WOE draft was won via guff)
Fair card in draft
It's a 6/5 flash trampler for 4 tho
That's silly
golden plover
Oh that's way too much for a common
twilit canyon
It's a 6/5 flash trampler for 4 tho
maybe but i feel like its not in the top 10 most pushed cards in a while
golden plover
That's gonna be ANNOYING as hell in draft
golden plover
maybe but i feel like its not in the top 10 most pushed cards in a while
I know, but that's because everything is pushed now
twilit canyon
right but they still suck
golden plover
But yeah, that should've been an uncommon smh
twilit canyon
green's best creature in standard is topiary stomper
unless u count atraxa as green
golden plover
I dunno what the rest of draft is shaking up to be, but 3 generically good effects on a green common is gonna make green really nice
Oh my God I get why the signpost uncommons are the partners
Because cowboys use "partner" a lot
Smh
twilit canyon
I dunno what the rest of draft is shaking up to be, but 3 generically good effec...
"surely green will be good this time" we say as simic in draft lies dead in a ditch for the majority of a draft's lifespan
itll be white and red aggro decks at the top yet again and u will like it
golden plover
I mean Green and Red were the two best colors to go into in WOE
And red and green was really solid in Ixalan too
Didn't play MKM draft, heard it's bad. Dunno how good green/red are there
lusty trench
"surely green will be good this time" we say as simic in draft lies dead in a di...
Me believing green blue elves would have a pay off in lotr draft (it never arrived)
golden plover
If WOE was balanced better, it'd be the best modern draft
lusty trench
Didn't play MKM draft, heard it's bad. Dunno how good green/red are there
Well I mean there's the mole
golden plover
But there's really no reason to go into Black/Blue at all
zinc shard
https://scryfall.com/card/grn/138/nullhide-ferox
Nullhide Ferox had ward 2 before ward was a thing.
golden plover
Everyone is just fighting over the red/white/some green cards
Makes it impossible to draft anything good if you didn't p1p1 a bomb
lusty trench
Also yeah mkm limited was a mess
golden plover
Rakdos Rats was playable, but it's kinda the "backup plan" if you can't draft celebration or Selsenya
lusty trench
I always went rats because I like my matches over in the first 15 minutes
golden plover
Man I want more drafts that feel like NEO
It's sucked how outside of WOE, which still has issues, every draft now feels too bomb-heavy
Damn, what a downgrade for rutstein
twilit canyon
I mean Green and Red were the two best colors to go into in WOE
red/green was too bomb heavy to work. p sure mono white and red were better winrates over green
golden plover
red/green was too bomb heavy to work. p sure mono white and red were better winr...
Gruul didn't work well, but you wanted one or the other pretty much every draft
twilit canyon
rg in ix was worse than mono red unless ur green bombs popped off
twilit canyon
nice
golden plover
The train panorama looks ehh, but nice to see them back
They also keep slowly crawling back up to like $5, so this will make them cheap cheap
twilit canyon
fr
magic secondary market been highkey trolling the past while
thinking ppl would actually pay over 5$ for a ton of the non-typed duals
lusty trench
I was hoping this art would go for a cooler card
zinc shard
golden plover
Lmao feels like shit to open it
zinc shard
That upshift just screams "It's coming to Arena"
twilit canyon
yes
all special guest cards will now
same with the list
the upshift is for draft purposes
since the guest cards wont appear in packs
on arena at least
golden plover
Wait actually I found the worst upshift
@lusty trench fucking OG desert at mythic
twilit canyon
brazy b reprint pog
lusty trench
That morbid opportunist art goes hard
golden plover
All my friends are gonna open vistas in their mythic slot and I'm gonna open desert and [[mystic snake]]
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lusty trench
Prismatic vista is cool
golden plover
Vista is a very good reprint
twilit canyon
[[$prismatic vista]]
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lusty trench
Not super hard iirc
twilit canyon
yes a decent bit
golden plover
The list did next to nothing for the price of a card
twilit canyon
easily going to go down to 20
golden plover
Would be nice
twilit canyon
the list is way harder to get outside of arena
lusty trench
twilit canyon
the biggest thing that sucks here is that thunderjunction seems like an insanely cool plane and its a shame we wont get another set in it for a while
golden plover
I just kinda wish it wasn't just "remember your favorite legendary character?" The set
But that's the affects of commander for ya
Honestly the more I think about this card, the more I think it's REALLY good
twilit canyon
flame slash 2
twilit canyon
not hititng walkers too is stinky
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast for each creature that attacked this turn.
Witchstalker Frenzy deals 5 damage to target creature.
The witchstalkers circled the armored figure, drawn to the corrupting stink of dark magic. Kellan and Ruby fled to the sound of savage howls and snapping jaws.
twilit canyon
turn sideways hold prioritu pay 1 mana delete shelly
golden plover
There's [[Torch the Tower]] which was way more conditional
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twilit canyon
torch only deas 3
max
its not deal 2 if bargained deal another 3 its change the 2 to 3
golden plover
Oh right, I thought it added up for some reason
twilit canyon
yeah i thought so on first read too
golden plover
But yeah, frenzy is also conditionally better
twilit canyon
still okay
golden plover
But I think Scorching Shot has the upside of always being 5 damage
lusty trench
golden plover
It'll probably be a decent card if nothing else in a sideboard
lusty trench
Fomori collect people ig
golden plover
Nah the vault was sealed until the end of the story
And the story didn't mention anything about that
Feels like we lost a key piece of story when they made it into a bonus sheet
zinc shard
Transmtation Font seems like a fun build around
golden plover
I wish we could get 2 sets on the same plane again
Places like Kaldheim, Capenna, and MOM (although that's not one plane) needed more time to cook
This seems awful to enable in limited
Oh wait, plot
golden plover
I mean did you see Magda
Token comes in tapped, only once a turn. Activate only at sorcery speed
lusty trench
You pay a cost on the card, then exile it face up and it is considered plotted
You can cast a plotted card at any time so long as it's not the turn you plotted it and without paying the cost
atomic harness
How does it uh work, with mister spoiler man
lusty trench
Worth noting you can use cards that gives it flash to bypass it's turn restriction
By casting it on your opponents turns
golden plover
Yeah but he usually looks the same on his own cards
lusty trench
Idk dude aged 40 years upon seeing the mkm sales figures
twilit canyon
What the fuck is Lazav up to now
let him cook
his machinations have been in play since day 1
wouldnt it be crazy if he was actually the mastermind behind everything
lusty trench
I just realised we're getting a borderlands secret lair
We have to be
There are way too many references to it and the movie is coming out soon
sudden lava
what if we ya know
glad peak
Would need to pay 7 for recurring board wipe, 3 to dress down or give indestructible, or 9 for all of them
sudden lava
zinc shard
golden plover
This art is super off for Ilse
Really weird considering she's one od the best MTG artists rn
But everyone in the crew looks really off model
Also @lusty trench you have to pick at least one mode to play a spree card
Can't just pay the upfront cost
lusty trench
Cringe
golden plover
Can't believe they hate fun
Also if you copy it, you still have to pay the cost for the copies
fallow citrus
what would playing it without a mode even do
golden plover
Storm Count 1
If a card cares about you casting an instant/sorcery or whatever
If a card cares about you casting a card of a color
fallow citrus
so.. you just play cards of the same cmc and colour that do something
golden plover
Yeah, was mostly thinking niche situations in limited or whatever
Since RU has the "cares about your second spell each turn " archetype
sudden lava
Ok I need a lore refresher cuz someone on twitter is making me think I got the lore wrong but I am pretty sure Im right.
This art depicts granddaughter Alesha helping up a trans guy right?
The someone on twitter tried claiming it's grandma Alesha helping up granddaughter Alesha
golden plover
It's that dude from the MOM commander decks
sudden lava
It's that dude from the MOM commander decks
did a bit more digging, it's a different DGC but I am right in that it's not Alesha on the ground here
zinc shard
lusty trench
HOLY COW
trail anvil
google en cowssant
fallow citrus
it's [[ox-idize]]
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zinc shard
Nice callback to Disinformation Campaign
glad peak
Wait a minute
Committing a crime is much easier to do than surveiling, this actually has potential
granite badge
Tbf
Do a generic game action vs perform a set mechanic(I know its evergreen but at the time the card was made it wasn't) is vastly differeny
trail anvil
Committing a crime is much easier to do than surveiling, this actually has poten...
yeah but discarding is stronger than the drain
[[disinformation campaign]]
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trail anvil
[[nightveil sprite]]
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golden plover
Okay she came out and said she was rushed on this piece and isnt happy with it
Glad she was outspoken about it, but definitely sounds like they need to give the artists more time still
zinc shard
trail anvil
humans are not my forte
until you slap an animal head on top
glad peak
yeah but discarding is stronger than the drain
Sure, but being able to do it a lot more consistently for the extra draw is good (yes, disinformation also has draw but a lot harder to trigger)
trail anvil
yeah but you're investing 3 mana a turn in this
glad peak
In a long game (depends on standard meta) it’ll be well worth since you’ll be gaining a lot more advantage than your opponent and it’s also a win condition if it goes long enough
zinc shard
modern minnow
Wake me up when they reveal chandler
broken fjord
A rule of law you can shut off. Really nice.
trail anvil
Crafty Coyote
Creature - Coyote
Haste
When this enters the battlefield target creature you control gets +1/+1 and haste until end of turn
Plot 1R
2/2
this looks real fuckin scary dodging board wipes then just blowing your load in one turn
Wander Across the Planes (name unconfirmed) 3UU
Sorcery (Rare)
Each player may shuffle their hand and graveyard into their library. Every player who does so draw seven cards. Exile ~.
Plot 4UU
rigid scarab
Why does this give opponents the option
trail anvil
yeah I'm not sure honestly. maybe they thought the plot cost justified it?
drawing a new hand for zero mana sounds pretty nice in a low resource situation ig
lusty trench
Wheel for 5 feels gross
Worse wheel for 5 feels awful
Archangel of tithes reprint
subtle sierra
Exiling a spell means it's removed from stack and doesn't resolve, right?
lusty trench
Correct
copper pecan
new templating 👀
lusty trench
HES HERE
copper pecan
out of all of the glup shittos to put in this set i feel like he has the best reason to be here
zinc shard
Why is the word plants not italicized in his flavor text
glad peak
Because he’s emphasizing them
lusty trench
Yeah the flavour text is italicized but since it's already italicized it becomes unitalicized for emphasis
lusty trench
This is gonna be a massive pain in the ass is limited
Two big bodies and card draw
copper pecan
wow that sure is a simic value engine
zinc shard
Huh how did an Alchemy card slip in /j
atomic harness
oh boy time to play magic again
granite badge
Huh how did an Alchemy card slip in /j
This feels crazy tbh
golden plover
Why the fuck is Marchesa here?
They really did just go "yeah put everyone in this set"
rigid scarab
That's been quite a few sets recently
golden plover
Yeah but at least for MKM and stuff it was mostly just all the legends from their own plane
This is "take all the commanders people like and put them in the same set"
Like why the fuck is Riku here too?
lusty trench
Hey pope what's your thoughts on bonny pall for draft/sealed
golden plover
She's probably really good in draft
12/11 over 2 bodies for 6 is kinda nuts
Green looks to be really strong in draft this set
Kinda lame her name is just a spoonerism of Paul Bunyan tho
golden plover
Yeah I'm yet to see a spree card that's worth it
The boardwipe dress down is kinda cute
sleek ferry
I think they're worth for the flexibility
golden plover
But you're dumping a shitload of mana into it for the flexibility
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Sorcery
Exile all creatures. Incubate X, where X is the number of creatures exiled this way. (Create an Incubator token with X +1/+1 counters on it and ": Transform this artifact." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
"Let the light scour away your imperfect flesh." —Heliod
sleek ferry
this set is already way better/more impactful than karlov manor though for standard imo
golden plover
For way more mana you can leave behind your best body
But Sunfall usually leaves you a big enough guy to close games
atomic harness
You like the new ||jace|| right? @sleek ferry
the second +1 is pretty strong compared to the first
atomic harness
blue ramp 👁️
golden plover
@lusty trench apparently all the desert animals like the armadillos and coyotes are from off-world too??
That... Doesn't make sense
lusty trench
They said we provide the sand you bring literally everything else
Also it's odd to me how many planes have omenpaths to thunder junction
Like damn
Or did they like book omen path tickets from innistrad to ikoria to eldrain to ixalan to ravnica to thunder junction
golden plover
Apparently this random empty plane is connected to like the entire multiverse
Hence why niv wants access to it
zinc shard
That is the most Zombie Looking Vampire I've ever seen
lusty trench
Ye I posted this a while ago
golden plover
Donato Giancola is pursuing legal action
lusty trench
Oh wait this is an update?
golden plover
Yeah
Note he mentions he's talking to his lawyers
It's likely the blame falls on Wotc for letting it make it to final print
lusty trench
Oof rip bozo next time use your own art
golden plover
So they'll have to work out something
lusty trench
You know what that means? It's time to pick apart fay Dalton's entire portfolio
Oh wow they did the baseball lair
And a fair amount of the horror themed lairs like evil dead
lusty trench
Completely washed damn
Uh huh
Seems she's used it as a reference before
Here it's more fair the limbs are differently positioned with the only thing seemingly in common being the positioning of the upper body and head
golden plover
At least she drew over it this time
She's probably got a couple of these saved as poses then
trail anvil
yeah that's about as green as it gets
trail anvil
But is it better than [[Sunfall]] actually?
I don't think they're directly comparable. sunfall is floating hate and makes a body, but the new board wipe is instant speed and you can use the other modes independent of whether you want to board wipe or not
so it's also a slightly overcosted protection spell or quasi dress down
trail anvil
[[archangel of the tithes]]
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Creature — Angel
Flying
As long as Archangel of Tithes is untapped, creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
As long as Archangel of Tithes is attacking, creatures can't block unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
3/5
golden plover
I don't think they're directly comparable. sunfall is floating hate and makes a ...
Ah fair enough. Didn't remember the new one that well
stark skiff
Holy hell this card is really good in Agatha 
waxen timber
This honestly might be better than archmage's charm
subtle sierra
i love this
twilit canyon
three steps is super nice
trail anvil
flavor fail that the coyote can not only block the roadrunner but even get another creature to do it too
fallow citrus
3 mana counterspell isn't bad ig
trail anvil
paying 5 mana for counter + draw 2 discard 2 sounds fantastic lategame too
in the mirror you can get rid of your removal g1
twilit canyon
its a really nice card overall
stark skiff
UB Looney Tunes when
twilit canyon
after winning out in the qualifier weekend with this deck, i turned to the alchemy ladder to see whats up and damn i did not know ppl were
bad?
playing mid?
there is a definite disparity in power level among alchemy decks rn but its weird bc its not like this deck is hard to build
trail anvil
isn't alchemy ladder considerably less populated
twilit canyon
not really
its been less populated overall but more and more ppl hop on alchemy overall nowdays compared to before
especially since the format is different enough to standard
sleek ferry
Standard is still king by far. Any other format I queue for doesn’t have the insta queue pops that standard has
ESPECIALLY for bo3
Anyways, lmk once you guys play my new mythic deck; Izzet Pirate Artifacts
trail anvil
IT'S BACK
sleek ferry
Why doesn’t it have a cowboy hat sigh
golden plover
I'm really glad they went with a generic art and didn't cowboy it up tbh
twilit canyon
im not
fuck that
thats so lame they could have had a dragon with a wide brim
would have been kinda peak
lusty trench
It doesn’t look native to the plane
They’re supposed to be scorpions but ig they decided a random dragon went through the omenpath?
sudden lava
flavor fail that the coyote can not only block the roadrunner but even get anoth...
It cant, the roadrunner has protection
sudden lava
remembered cuz D.E.B.T.
it also means coyote cant help the roadrunner with his ability
fallow citrus
I hope it's an anti-token card
sudden lava
either a token, or a counter card
zinc shard
"Hey we're sorry we didn't partner with you for our reusable tokens, have a preview card"
IS SO CUTE
sudden lava
Why is this mispelled in the translation?
fallow citrus
what's misspelled
lusty trench
It's an opossum not a possum
Different animals
Possums are from Australia, opossums are from America
sudden lava
and it's clear it's opossum cuz the card itself uses an o
zinc shard
granite badge
"Everyone else is fair game" goes crazy as reminder text what
sudden lava
power crept walk the plank
copper pecan
is it really powercreep if the card was already bad
atomic harness
Sigh let's take our leave micolas, I'll cast fatal push instead
trail anvil
yeah but this one says "acab"
sudden lava
trail anvil
this is a weird one
trail anvil
not surprising with a creature that taps to copy a spell
sudden lava
Twisted Fealty drains everyone to death
cast it targeting Stella. With Fealty on the stack, tap Stella to copy it (targeting herself, again). Keep doing this.
Each one produces a Wicked Role. Each new Wicked Role sends the previous to the yard, which will then cause each opponent to lose a life.
broken fjord
That's pretty good.
Obviously need to cast a few spells beforehand, so it'll be a bit before you can afford the line.
sudden lava
yeah her precon is built with spell slinger in mind, so it'll have tools to help with that.
Such as "Plot" to help pay ahead of time
twilit canyon
this is a weird one
basically [[tooth and nail]]
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Sorcery
Choose one —
• Search your library for up to two creature cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
• Put up to two creature cards from your hand onto the battlefield.
Entwine (Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)
trail anvil
ye but you only get to look at 4 cards which is a big downside; but in exchange you have a kinda weird heroic intervention
broken fjord
[[Traitorous Greed]] also can go crazy with Stella.
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Sorcery
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. Add two mana of any one color. (The creature can attack and 
this turn.)
"Remind me again, what's the going rate for betrayal these days?" —Captain Rhenmir
lusty trench
Bro lost access to black he's so cooked
Wait no I'm stupid he's always been blue
Wait why is he making multiple zombies?
Doesn't Geralf like perfecting one before moving on to the next
glad peak
Huh they’re really pushing plot in blue red
zinc shard
Geralf's bluel, his sister's black
zinc shard
This seems nuts
lusty trench
Me watching my opponent top deck a 7/7 flyer for 3 in limited
zinc shard
golden plover
Didn't expect the Atiin to get a card
Definitely doesn't even look like it's on Thunder Junction
copper pecan
This seems nuts
great in yawgmoth
fallow citrus
copper pecan
maindeckable backrow removal 
atomic harness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjr6luw_2D8 fun vid @sleek ferry though isnt yawg or prime time the best deck now?
I guess it doesnt make for good content
the budget deck fails to outpace either then prime time just bodies them or yawg combos them to death
rigid scarab
Little BTS
Jake and Murph said they had a hard time editing the baldur's gate gk
The vid doesn't really say any of these should absolutely be rules that you will for sure be labeled a bad person for breaking
But moreso the general mindset your average player is gonna have, and its different for each playgroup
Only true "unwritten rule" is 'dont be an ass'
- MLD
- Mass Discard
- Monopolizing time
- Making plays only to slow the game
- Conceding (Not even the hosts fully get this)
- Wins out of nowhere
- Fast mana
- "Game Narrative"
- Denying commanders
- Stopping neutral plays (ramp, mana rocks, etc)
- Punching players who are behind further down
- Let players "Do the thing" (Hard to move around)
sleek ferry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjr6luw_2D8 fun vid <@304354673647812608> though...
Eh the meta is pretty stable right now, is murktide the BEST deck? No, but it’s usually one of the more represented decks at events
I would argue it’s top 5
rigid scarab
I thought they figured out that it was 12 post 
sleek ferry
Yeah probably. Also that Amalia combo was the best deck in pioneer for like a month
Idk if it still is
Haven’t been keeping up
fallow citrus
I thought they figured out that it was 12 post <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
12 post isn't modern legal....
glad peak
Standard rn is surprisingly fun
Maybe soon 
Nah I wouldn’t want to play or play against that deck
sleek ferry
Standard rn is surprisingly fun
Funnest its been
Only deck I legitly hate vsing is boros aggro
trail anvil
Luxury Locomotive - 5
Artifact - Vehicle (Uncommon)
Whenever ~ attacks, create a Treasure token for each creature that crewed it this turn.
Crew 1. Activate only once each turn.
6/5
hidden ermine
... am I missing something or can it only create 1 treasure token no matter what?
lusty trench
You can crew with any number of creatures so long as their power is one or more
hidden ermine
Ooooh
glad peak
Wait it has activate once per turn clause on the crew
lusty trench
It's just so you can't crew it after attackers are declared
You can still tap any number
zinc shard
lusty trench
Damn that goes hard
sudden lava
Not bad for a rare
granite badge
HOLY SHIT I LOVE THIS
I've been wanting a fun izzet spellslinger commander with fun art for agess
Time to pull out my izzet lands
sudden lava
I've been wanting a fun izzet spellslinger commander with fun art for agess
and we're expecting one more to be shown
lusty trench
Like how it also isn't limited by once per turn either like a lot of other cards
granite badge
Counter spells are a no go but I just like the idea of basically getting rebound for all your spells
lusty trench
granite badge
That seems crazy fun
Toss in some creatures that care about instants and sorcerys
Maybe a win con in storm
Lots of draw spells too
twilit canyon
Counter spells are a no go but I just like the idea of basically getting rebound...
it isnt rebound
its better
granite badge
Well yeah
twilit canyon
(kinda)
granite badge
Ita the closest analogy I could think od
sudden lava
We dont know the alt commander for quick draw
granite badge
https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/MTGOTJ_EN_CmndrOtrBx_1_2...
GOD DAMN IT
MY WALLET IS GONNA HATE ME
sudden lava
So thats 3 spellslinger commanders
granite badge
I need to buy bystials for dlink and now I wanna build this too qwq
sleek ferry
(kinda)
Overall slightly better tbh, it’s the discover vs cascade argument all over imo
sleek ferry
Did we get a white spree spell that’s a board wipe yet btw?
twilit canyon
Did we get a white spree spell that’s a board wipe yet btw?
yup
hidden ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1223098151712591942/Ka...
Kill spell into kill spell into kill spell
Oh wait you still have to pay the costs
twilit canyon
yeah but kaervek still cooks its a ton of value to keep chaining spells since they wont get exiled
hidden ermine
Dont they get exiled?
twilit canyon
the token copy i meant