Magic the Gathering

[hidden ermine]

Marvel I think less so

Since theres a fair bit of Marvel fatigue setting in

Phase ... whatever it is hasnt been much of a hit

[twilit canyon]

marvel still popular enough i think it works

[rigid scarab]

It depends where they draw it from

[golden plover]

Lmao any interaction with an opponent is a crime

[hidden ermine]

But Star Wars would be extremely huge

[rigid scarab]

If its just MCU stuff

Its less likely it sells

[hidden ermine]

And fuck it

Id love a Star Wars set

[twilit canyon]

itd be weird if [[murder]] wasnt a crime

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/95/murder

Murder <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Destroy target creature.
Laughter and conversation trailed off as the revelers gathered around Zegana's body. Three things quickly became clear: it was a murder, the killer was likely among them, and Teysa's party was definitely over.

[lusty trench]

Harmless offering is a crime

[hidden ermine]

Whats frerunning btw?

[golden plover]

Counterspelling your opponent is a crime

Just like EDH

[lusty trench]

Prowl but assassin

[hidden ermine]

... what does Prowl do

[twilit canyon]

i like the crime mechanic a lot it encourages interaction to

[hidden ermine]

I forgor

[twilit canyon]

too

[rigid scarab]

Tbf the only times I've seen people get super salty over counterspells are in online lobbies

[golden plover]

Alternative cost if a creature of that type attacked this turn

[lusty trench]

If you hit an opponent with an assassin or commander, you can cast assassins for its free running cost

[rigid scarab]

With people who don't bother going to their LGS

[hidden ermine]

Ahhh

[golden plover]

Which means free running could have just been "Prowl Assassin"

But they made a second mechanic with the same wording for no reason

[lusty trench]

But pope, what if your commander isn’t an assassin

[golden plover]

Wait the MODERN set references commanders on the cards????

[lusty trench]

(That is the only difference)

[golden plover]

That's dumb as hell

[twilit canyon]

idm that tho cus they do that all the time

[rigid scarab]

Which 60 card-specific cards reference commanders

I cant name any off the top of my head

[golden plover]

The only time was [[Animatou]] in Double Masters

[lost widget]

No card found for “Animatou”

[golden plover]

They've explicitly avoided referencing commanders on 60 card format cards

[rigid scarab]

Also what card are you referring to

[fallow citrus]

[[aminatou]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “aminatou”, can you be more specific?

[fallow citrus]

ffs

[[aminatou the fateshifter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/169/aminatou-the-fateshifter

Aminatou, the Fateshifter <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Aminatou
+1: Draw a card, then put a card from your hand on top of your library.
−1: Exile another target permanent you own, then return it to the battlefield under your control.
−6: Choose left or right. Each player gains control of all nonland permanents other than Aminatou, the Fateshifter controlled by the next player in the chosen direction.
Aminatou, the Fateshifter can be your commander.
Loyalty: 3

[twilit canyon]

i was pretty sure they have been referencing commanders in the past few sets

[fallow citrus]

also legacy is a 60 card format

[rigid scarab]

I cant name any

[golden plover]

She's been the only card printed in a 60 card format set that explicitly mentions it

[clever sun]

oh u mean mentions commander the format not creatures that only appear as commanders

Yeah that

It's just Aminatou

[rigid scarab]

Yeah there are no other cards that mention commanders that aren't strictly commander/legacy

[golden plover]

Yeah, she's literally the only one

Really weird the mechanic mentions it

Don't like that

[clever sun]

Which one?

[golden plover]

Freerunning

It's prowl but includes your commander

Would have preferred them to just use prowl tbh

[clever sun]

Don't they need to do so to make it work in EDH then?

[lusty trench]

Not if the commander is also an assassin, but I’m guessing they did it so you can have a non assassin ac commander while still using the ac assassins

[golden plover]

Yeah prowl already included your commander if they matched the creature type

[hidden ermine]

Was this originally a commander set?

Err

Set of commander decks

There was one they made into a set instead of decks right?

[fallow citrus]

mh3?

[golden plover]

AC

They said it's a set for color balance or something

[lusty trench]

Are all the fallout deck lists out?

Cause if so damn, best reprint I’ve seen is branching evolution

[sudden lava]

yes

[sleek ferry]

I’m ngl, wotc is tempting me to spend big money in their next 3 sets…

At worst, I’m definitely drafting all 3

[broken fjord]

The Fallout decks aren't terribly interesting. I am curious about the Eldrazi deck from MH3. Looks like they're supporting devoid.

[lusty trench]

The fallout decks just feel miserable

[rigid scarab]

I wonder how big of flavour wins they are

That if anything is more important for a UB product

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/a-first-look-at-bloomburrow

this set really is so inspired

[hidden ermine]

Smh making the owl evil

[sudden lava]

new precons

for bloomburrow

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1210766641303126016/RDT_20240224_1252166973414684546954200.jpg?ex=65ebc14e&is=65d94c4e&hm=acf4ead15860bdf4d247765bc0badae41b5e31a82c02626133772f766c24bdf4&=&format=webp&width=602&height=966

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1210766641550598214/RDT_20240224_1252126070238280211937689.jpg?ex=65ebc14e&is=65d94c4e&hm=0a0b7476eca842b09e923f8cbd36dbd28e02c762d97eeabe423bb92401d88f78&=&format=webp&width=602&height=966

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1210766641810378792/RDT_20240224_1252096548572930102815581.jpg?ex=65ebc14e&is=65d94c4e&hm=9ada329abb0ed38eeda9c8d45031231ab2a2cacca878034fc5a107fd7c217415&=&format=webp&width=602&height=966

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1210766642041327715/RDT_20240224_1252042123820400992148985.jpg?ex=65ebc14e&is=65d94c4e&hm=ff15a7f009d01a4fb23a1fad9fdd05923022bb380543e1f662e4e56c66f2e4c6&=&format=webp&width=602&height=966

[sleek ferry]

“Make offspring”

[sudden lava]

egg token maybe?

[glad peak]

Make trash? Damn calling out most players deck building skills

[zinc shard]

ayy Group Hug

[rigid scarab]

Holy shit

No naya deck

They did it

[stark skiff]

Finally Borderless fetchlqnds

[sleek ferry]

How many boxes we buying

[rigid scarab]

1 fetchillion

[sleek ferry]

Sorry sickle, I know these mh3 commander decks will probably be impossible for you to get

[stark skiff]

In for Eldrazi

Squirrel deck should be dope

[sleek ferry]

Sigh kid we need the actual set

Not the commander decks

[rigid scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020928983883325522/1136972554259664966/20230804_184213.jpg?ex=65eaebb4&is=65d876b4&hm=8aa5e4ea2e0ba1d0c1da0fe07e4659c8eba04232c4444c7b9d9c36bec5898177&

That's $175 SGD

On release

[sleek ferry]

Yeah that’s what I figured

[rigid scarab]

I mean I wasn't gonna be buying the mh3 decks anyways

Not really a precon kinda guy

[sleek ferry]

Singles will run you cheaper anyways

[lusty trench]

God knows people will be opening enough collector packs to make the singles somewhat reasonable

[sleek ferry]

I’m expecting MH3 sealed to be expensive as hell, but all things considered MH2 singles were pretty reasonable really outside of ragavan

Elementals eventually spiked up

But on release the singles were pretty reasonable

[rigid scarab]

I wonder how much the flare cycle is gonna be

/If they're worth running

If the Red flare is like

A bolt

I could see it

But given how Flare of Cultivation is at worst just straight up cultivate

That's probably gonna be a pretty expensive card

Well maybe not straight up cultivate

The second green pip hurts in early game

[lusty trench]

I mean the idea is you're not paying anything for it

It's like judging the elementals on their non evoke cost

Getting a green weenie that provides etb value and then sacing it for a free cultivate sounds easy

I just don't know if a cultivate matters that much

Red one has to be bad though otherwise I'm gonna have to get one to put in roghark silas

[sleek ferry]

They’re free

Red one could legitly read “create a treasure token” and it would be playable

[lusty trench]

Eh at a certain point a free card isn't worth running

Especially if you gotta jump through a hoop first

[rigid scarab]

Im saying that even if paying upfront that it's a card top 10 in EDH popularity

At least casual edh players would drive up the price

[lusty trench]

That's fair

[sleek ferry]

I wish the green flare had just been 1 land that didn’t have to be basic

[rigid scarab]

That might have been too good if it put it on the battlefield

[sleek ferry]

Green needs all the help it can get rn. It’s easily the worst color across all forms of edh rn

[rigid scarab]

Eh

Worst in cedh for sure

But idk if its gone down to the level of being worse than like

Red

[lusty trench]

This is where red is a chaos warp

...holy shit it might actually be that

[sleek ferry]

Red is arguably the best supporting color in the game

Deflecting swat

Jeska’s will

Dockside

[rigid scarab]

And green is where you go to for all your ramp

And ramp is king in casual

[sleek ferry]

Ramp doesn’t matter as much even in casual when all edh decks average cmc is like under 3.5

Green was strong years ago because everybody was trying to present these 6-7 mana win cons

[rigid scarab]

I mean this is under the impression that everyone even in casual wants to win via value or combo

Which yeah that's getting to be very popular now

But creature wincons are still present

[sleek ferry]

Idt it even has to do with winning via value, a lot of the interesting cards we’ve gotten in the last 2-3 years are 4cmc or under

[lusty trench]

Blue a windfall? Black a... Idk a buried alive? White a... Got no clue for that

[rigid scarab]

White is silence to protect your other colors

White's an exception in that

In casual it fights for board

In cedh it's either a colour to protect your combo

Or stax

[sleek ferry]

Like, when’s the last time you ever saw a craterhoof behemoth hit the table

White is probably some sort of removal tbh

I doubt highly they give it another silence

[rigid scarab]

I mean white also has ranger captain and grand abolisher

[sleek ferry]

Both of which are years old

[rigid scarab]

You also could consider no one playing it because it's 'boring'

It could be one of those 'too shunned for casual too weak for competitive' cards

[sleek ferry]

Blue would be interesting if it was specifically a creature counter spell

That would be nice

[rigid scarab]

Blue is maybe a draw spell?

I dont know if the format's quite ready for a third free counterspell

But it is MH3

Black is maybe Duress?

Duress is probably too weak

[lusty trench]

Im going off 3 mana sorceries specifically

I'm hoping they choose mechanics the colours have that don't have a free variant yet

What's notable is this is a free sorcery cycle

[sleek ferry]

Well we should also consider that these should do something completely different than the elementals

So no damage for red

[lusty trench]

Yeah that's what I mean

No mechanics from the force of, commander or elemental free spell cycles

Since these are sorceries is gonna be interesting

[sleek ferry]

Red is almost certainly an impulse then

[lusty trench]

What about a chaos warp though?

I suppose warp is an instant but it's something the colour does and is increasingly doing

[rigid scarab]

Im drawing a blank on what white could be

[sleek ferry]

Eh, I don’t see it tbh. A free chaos warp in modern sounds kinda broken

[rigid scarab]

Makes tokens?

[lusty trench]

I'd say unbreakable formation or something but that feels awful at sorcery speed

[sleek ferry]

White is probably a battle trick tbh

[rigid scarab]

If we wanna restrict it to sorceries though

[lusty trench]

It is a sorcery cycle, every other free cycle has cards cast at the same speed as the other cards within the cycle

[sleek ferry]

Something like “give all creatures you control +1/+1, Vigilance and Indestructible until the end of the turn”

[lusty trench]

Hell the white force of is an enchantment and they gave it flash

[sleek ferry]

Blue I could see it getting like a ravenform/pongify tbh

[rigid scarab]

Blue I see most likely just drawing

[rigid scarab]

I feel they also wanna mimic classic cards though

[lusty trench]

Blue as said before could be windfall

Secret lair fallout s.p.e.c.i.a.l

A is the bonus card

[rigid scarab]

Watching Salubrious Snail content

Mostly about casual edh mindsets

From a competitive standpoint

But not being an ass about it

[zinc shard]

some predictions for A

[zinc shard]

Fallout 4 Spoiler:

[lusty trench]

Just pre-ordered the eldrazi deck cause my ass isn't going to get caught lacking

Well specifically my parents did as an Easter gift

[trail anvil]

5c sounds very poggers

or should we call it 6c

[lusty trench]

They're cheaper than the commander masters decks too

They're £60 instead of £80

[stark skiff]

Ooo this is fun

[fallow citrus]

also man I wish that new ajani had a home

2 mana for 2 decent creatures that flip him into a pretty good planeswalker if they're removed

[trail anvil]

I feel like he is the home, that seems like pretty decent value

idk tho

[fallow citrus]

I mean I guess a boros value deck?

boros value not too poggers with no fury tho

[lusty trench]

I got my eye on the grave based modern horizons deck

Hopefully some spicy stuff like a breach or something in there

[sudden lava]

cooking

Turn 2 Battle Mouse into Mabel Turn 3

[golden plover]

He's a delayed 2 mana board wipe. I'm sure there's something he fits into

But Boros is mostly burn in modern, so I dunno

[glad peak]

With laelia might be possible to play either legends or add to zoo

Legends zoo does pretty much everything he wants except the board wipe

2 2/1s for 2 might just be good enough too

[twilit canyon]

ajani has exactly 1 home in modern and its domain zoo. nothing else plays cats even if he does bring a cat with him

laelia would be nice in zoo but i think laelia would be a better tech option in scam

[sleek ferry]

Could we see the return of Eldrazi tron with MH3?

[fallow citrus]

if they bring more eldrazi maybe

the new guy is good but I don't think a buffer is what e-tron needed

and most of the dudes they were casting aren't cmc 7+

[twilit canyon]

yeah e tron doesnt run the huge eldrazi all that much

i cant see e tron returning without some solid 3-5 mana dudes

[fallow citrus]

also never thought of ajani in zoo but he does make total sense there

[twilit canyon]

ajani's issue is that i dont think u can make reasonable cutd for him

[lusty trench]

We just gotta wait for the white free sorcery trust

Nevermind it says non token, ignore me

[twilit canyon]

given white's current record im gonna assume it will be broken

[lusty trench]

Isn't white 1/1 in the free spells department

[twilit canyon]

no

[lusty trench]

Oh wait no you're right

It's 2/1

[twilit canyon]

not just free spells but cheaper spells

[lusty trench]

Leyline do be a silly goober of a card

[twilit canyon]

leyline binding and sevinne's rec

[lusty trench]

I just find it funny how often they've looked at blue and said "surely this time the effect won't be broken if we make it free"

[fallow citrus]

I assume all of these will be sorceries

or maybe an enchantment

I can't see them making these instant speed again

but then again I expect nothing and I cannot be disappointed

[sleek ferry]

There’s a 0% chance MH3 disappoints anyways

[fallow citrus]

well I mean more like

being disappointed with it being broken ig

[lusty trench]

It's got fetches and emerakul that's like 99% of the player base on board

[fallow citrus]

yooo

this actually looks beautiful

[lusty trench]

THAT BISMUTH SNOWY

[hidden ermine]

I'm guessing the red free spell will be the worst one

[fallow citrus]

uhh

if we're going by last cycle

then blue

[hidden ermine]

That way it alternates

[lusty trench]

Red one says impulse for 2

[hidden ermine]

Nah MH1 had red be the worst and blue the best

Then flipped around

[fallow citrus]

yeah true

[hidden ermine]

So it's back to red being the worst

Although I kinda doubt blue will be the best one

[lusty trench]

Best one is gonna be black for some reason

[fallow citrus]

well you have to either make it a free counterspell or if we go by my theory of them or being sorceries it'll be like

bootleg brainstorm or smth

[lusty trench]

I have zero clue what they're gonna do for it

I'm assuming they're gonna be 3 mana staple/well known sorceries in their colours for free?

[sleek ferry]

I was thinking bootleg brainstorm too tbh

[golden plover]

I kinda hope black is dark ritual

Would be a neat village rites alternative

I know they wouldn't do that tho because black doesn't get impulse mana anymore

[hidden ermine]

Also how do you make the normal cast playable

2 for 3?

[golden plover]

That works

Oh god, if any are instants you can evoke elemental, then sacc it on the stack for the free spell

[twilit canyon]

absolutely not

sac a non-token dark ritual for 0 mana is going to fuck things up bad

[copper pecan]

rituals aren't in black anymore anyways

they aren't really in any color now

[lusty trench]

Most recent one is I want to say throne of eldraine in red

[twilit canyon]

they definitely prefer cost reduction and even free-casting over rituals

[lusty trench]

Wait no there was one in kaldheim also in red

[hidden ermine]

Yeah red gets scuffed rituals

[lusty trench]

Imagine it

Turn 1 new tiny bones
Turn 2 dark ritual some bullshit you got off them with your turn 2 play still up

[sleek ferry]

The black one could be an edict, a buried alive, idk what else

[golden plover]

It's probably a murder ngl

[twilit canyon]

thats so small brain to think of new tinybones over thinking

t1 thoughtseize

t2 sheoldred

[lusty trench]

But what are you sacking for it?

[golden plover]

I think slow murder for free if you sacc a creature is really fair

[sleek ferry]

Red one is almost certainly an impulse 2

[twilit canyon]

you said dark ritual i assumed u meant actual factual dark ritual

not a theoretical free dark ritual

[fallow citrus]

dark ritual on one of those lmfao

[lusty trench]

Oh no sorry I meant like yeah

[fallow citrus]

that would get banned so quick

[twilit canyon]

with a free dark rit, im playing the new pirate that on death scry and make a treasure

thats 1 mana net 4 mana and a treasure

*scry

thats t1 sheoldred

[lusty trench]

damn

[twilit canyon]

its an immediate no

cus they just cant do something like that without major restrictions on what the mana can be used for

even then

that still is extremely risky

[fallow citrus]

yup

considering how played dark rit is already the card just would never be printed

[glad peak]

just make it another thoughtseize so people try to scam and rip 1 more time turn 1 then lose because they no longer have a beater

[hidden ermine]

Realistically the black one is just something boring like a removal spell

Whites a resurrect of a certain CmC

Blue is draw cards

And red is idfk

[twilit canyon]

id find it interesting if it was something like a reanimate spell for specific mana values

ie

sac reanimate something of the same mana value except the card that was just sac

blue card draw could be brainstorm but free maybe?

sac nontoken blue -> brainstorm

actually sounds kinda interesting

or ponder

red would probably be damage but also would like it if it was a sort of land destruction

[golden plover]

Blue could also be a bounce

[twilit canyon]

actually for red

can do

[hidden ermine]

Im not sure brainstorm would be good enough since its non-token

[twilit canyon]

sac nontoken red -> blood moon until end of turn

[hidden ermine]

Theyre sorceries

[golden plover]

Didn't we get a blood moon instant that's unplayable?

[twilit canyon]

could do until end of next turn

[golden plover]

I seem to recall a 1-2 mana instant blood moon

[twilit canyon]

if they are all forced to be sorceries

[golden plover]

Is it [[Alpine Moon]]?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/128/alpine-moon

Alpine Moon <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
As Alpine Moon enters the battlefield, choose a nonbasic land card name.
Lands your opponents control with the chosen name lose all land types and abilities, and they gain ": Add one mana of any color."
"A rare and fascinating phenomenon." —Tamiyo

[twilit canyon]

and for blue then the play would be to ponder

[golden plover]

Nah, but there's definitely a blood moon instant

[twilit canyon]

i cant recall something like that

[hidden ermine]

Scryfall finds nothing like that

[golden plover]

I guess I was thinking of Alpine Moon

But I could have sworn we had one

https://preview.redd.it/bq4evtp2alkc1.png?auto=webp&s=a5acc7582040fd7f68e23c07b52f0dcc69656a2a

Evoke Elementals in timeless

[fallow citrus]

oh shit that looks nice

[golden plover]

Well at the very least Solitude

But that's probably the full cycle then, maybe not fury but I bet the art was done before the ban

[hidden ermine]

Timeless?

[golden plover]

The arena all cards are legal format

[hidden ermine]

Ah right

[golden plover]

MH3 is gonna be on arena iirc

[hidden ermine]

Im gonna say Fury is probably in as well if all the banned in historic cards are in timeless

[golden plover]

I mean they might not have included it in the guest slot

But imo it's pretty likely it got art before the ban

[golden plover]

Gannon got a card but not Benny?

I love Gannon but Benny should have gotten a card

Wait did Vulpes not get one either?

[hidden ermine]

https://i.redd.it/tjvg95ue1lkc1.jpeg

Huh, were about to get Eldrazi Winter it seems

[twilit canyon]

unlikely

timeless is more powerful than modern

just a bit below legacy

[hidden ermine]

Yeah and isnt Fury too strong for modern but fairly mediocre in legacy?

[fallow citrus]

fury is still pretty good there

you also have to think how easy it is to get to 5 mana

[sudden lava]

question

https://media.wizards.com/2024/images/daily/WmS1MBIDxhWt.png

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/Egf3ZOFkbhL-CISIMZvDA15ziKs8W0DqGVaLle_uDWc/%3Fwidth%3D1080%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D05c880d2b6ce84c9d25503f23bc9c011caf5ceea/https/i.redd.it/keep-an-eye-out-for-energy-cards-v0-rkrwrxogxfkc1.jpg?format=webp&width=618&height=968

Why is one Jeskai and the other Jund?

[lusty trench]

Cause they fucked up

Also that ain't Naya that's jeskai

The deck is jeskai

[sudden lava]

sorry Naya on the brain XD

[lusty trench]

Wotc- "DID SOMEONE SAY NAYA?"

[sudden lava]

but yeah its very likely jeskai, look at the coloring on creative energy.

[sudden lava]

Predicting Assassin's Creed will have a Jeskai George Washington

[golden plover]

I'm honestly kind of annoyed Benny and Vulpes didn't get cards tbh

[lusty trench]

wait benny didn't get one?

Isn't he arguably the most iconic character baring vault boy and Preston?

[golden plover]

Yeah, and he just outright didn't get a card

Neither did Vulpes

[lusty trench]

Vulpes I kinda get, his introduction is iconic but it doesn't really go anywhere and he could've been literally any legionnaire telling you the same thing

[sleek ferry]

What binder do you guys use for your cards?

I’m in the market for a new one

[golden plover]

I would've made the Nipton Lottery Vulpes instead

Have him do the effect on a body

That's the most iconic Vulpes moment

[lusty trench]

Hopefully Benny gets a card in one of the lairs

Benny could be like
Benny rwu
Legendary creature
The game was rigged from the start - once per turn, when you would roll a dice, instead you may select a number the dice you would've rolled could produce, that number is used as the result
"Being cheated and being outplayed ain't the same thing"
2/3

[golden plover]

Oh there's no Platinum Chip card either

Could've reskinned [[Coveted Prize]] for that

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/95/coveted-prize

Coveted Prize <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
This spell costs less to cast for each creature in your party. (Your party consists of up to one each of Cleric, Rogue, Warrior, and Wizard.)
Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. If you have a full party, you may cast a spell with mana value 4 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.

[golden plover]

Whoops

[[Coveted Jewel]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/353/coveted-jewel

Coveted Jewel <:mana6:292901508780130304>

Artifact
When Coveted Jewel enters the battlefield, draw three cards.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls attack you and aren't blocked, that player draws three cards and gains control of Coveted Jewel. Untap it.

[golden plover]

This is the only reference to Benny we got

Doesn't even have flavor text for "Game was rigged from the start."

[sleek ferry]

Sigh coveted prize my beloved…

The first season I ever hit mythic on mtga…

[twilit canyon]

more or less

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/TriskeMTG/status/1761437463329853592

Triske 🔜 MC Chicago (@TriskeMTG) on X

SHORT KING???

Twitter · Feb 24, 2024, 5:06 PM

oko short king???

thief of short crowns??????

[sleek ferry]

Let’s gooo, I’m taller than oko

[lusty trench]

So y'all how are we feeling about the new """premium""" commander deck price point

[hidden ermine]

Im taller than oko????

[rigid scarab]

Im taller than oko!!!!

[rigid scarab]

Best case scenario is the premium decks are the same price as the commander masters decks

So the base versions can be inline with other precons

[lusty trench]

we know the RRP

(thank you Amazon)

$70 for the normal decks, $125 for collectors

[rigid scarab]

Well

The lists better be pretty darn good

Especially since they have to compete against LCI and MKM precons

[lusty trench]

It's a step in the right direction at least

Cheaper than the commander masters decks were

[golden plover]

Oh I forgot who Benny was voiced by

They might have cut him because of that

[lusty trench]

Ehh I don't think that's why

[golden plover]

Probably not, but it was recent

[sleek ferry]

$70 for normal? Sounds like they learned their lesson from Commander Masters

What’s the difference between the 2? Full foil vs non foil?

[lusty trench]

Yep

[strong quartz]

So are the next standard sets in order, cowboy set and then Bloomburrow?

[copper pecan]

yeah it's cowboy > bloomburrow > haunted house

[sudden lava]

cowboys ->assassin's creed -> bloomburrow -> Duskmorn

[strong quartz]

Creed is a standard set??

[sudden lava]

Pretty sure yeah

its that or direct to modern (like the lotr ones)

[copper pecan]

creed isn't standard

[sudden lava]

ok so direct to modern then

[strong quartz]

Cool to see they revealed that both Vraska and Jace are alive and not metal

but at the same time, I didn't expect other plane MCs to just be floating around in other worlds this commonly

[clever sun]

That was the intent for omenpaths

[strong quartz]

Ravnica has some of the worst leaders in the world though

[strong quartz]

yeah, but I wasnt really expecting like groups of 5 old characters to be in a new plane like all the time

[clever sun]

Oh yeah for sure

[strong quartz]

Interested to see the themes for the next two standard sets

Turning western guns like revolvers into magic plasma gunblades is cool

[copper pecan]

i was kinda hoping for it to be magic wands but laser guns are fine too i guess

[golden plover]

I'm really hoping the horror plane is cool too

[copper pecan]

i'm interested in the implications of a plane that's entirely in doors

[hidden ermine]

I mean you can go to the average hangar for that

[copper pecan]

[hidden ermine]

[twilit canyon]

that was bad

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/vUOsUEvCl7M?si=blXT5gDNRV7ebJeE

[sudden lava]

izzet otter typal?

[copper pecan]

lorwyn 2: this time it's fursonal

[lusty trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/q2sQPzvuN7

Introducing the completely obvious

[golden plover]

I mean he's not wrong, but that's pretty blatant "we'd charge too much for good cards"

[strong quartz]

Broken Blue 2 Drop with set Mechanics

[golden plover]

I mean I think he's fine tbh

[glad peak]

Oh no we finally have a use for the one ring

[trail anvil]

I think he's worse off as a blocker beyond a chump blocker or if you have instant speed draw you want to respond with

but I feel like offensively that power can grow fast

ig if you counter a spell you naturally give him 1 power lol

either way he has a crap ton of value for a 2 drop

[twilit canyon]

brainstorm

on your turn its 1 mana +3 and draw 1

total 4 power

on opponents turn its 3 power instant speed

should be a fine standard card for esper midrange too

this + raffine

[barren cairn]

Have they explained committing a crime

[lusty trench]

Targeting your opponent, or their shit

[barren cairn]

Fair

[zinc shard]

wait.. does this mean...

[lusty trench]

Yes counter spells are a crime

[zinc shard]

This card finally has a purpose

[lusty trench]

Dear god

Pointing at someone now a crime

[glad peak]

Wait doesn’t that mean the new oko is comically easy to get full value from?

[sleek ferry]

Bought some random packs on a target run and pulled this, might build this for casual edh

[lusty trench]

Trample enabler, low amounts of instants or sorceries

Done

[sleek ferry]

[[nexus of fate]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/306/nexus-of-fate

Nexus of Fate <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Take an extra turn after this one.
If Nexus of Fate would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Nexus of Fate and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
Sarkhan wandered into a tomb and back in time.

[sleek ferry]

Err what was the artifact that lets you cast morph cards for 0

[lusty trench]

Doesn't exist as far as I'm aware

Manifest maybe?

Manifest it was

[sleek ferry]

Oh nvm yeah it was scroll of fate I was thinking of

Also can’t forget our boy

[[amarthis]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “amarthis”

[sleek ferry]

[[omarthis]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/708/omarthis-ghostfire-initiate

Omarthis, Ghostfire Initiate <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202>

Legendary Creature — Spirit Naga
Omarthis, Ghostfire Initiate enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on another colorless creature, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Omarthis.
When Omarthis dies, manifest a number of cards from the top of your library equal to the number of counters on it.
0/0

[sleek ferry]

There’s also [[ugin’s mastery]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/53/ugins-mastery

Ugin's Mastery <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast a colorless creature spell, manifest the top card of your library. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
Whenever you attack with creatures with total power 6 or greater, you may turn a face-down creature you control face up.

[sleek ferry]

There’s some possibilities for this deck

[sleek ferry]

This deck is actually so fun

[trail anvil]

damn even with the adventure land

[trail anvil]

this deck is insanely fun too

my biggest roadblock rn is that beanstalk is the best advantage engine but temporary lockdown is the best boardwipe in bo1 and they fight each other

but this deck can actually handle aggro while having some real fun top end

[twilit canyon]

have u actually used virtue much?

feels like it could be 4th spelunking + 4th turtle

[trail anvil]

actually yeah it helps make sure you hit your land drop and the gain lands are a ridiculous amount of incidental life. on top of that the enchantment makes your finishers go brazy

I used it a lot more than I thought I would

maybe I should be going for another turtle and spelunking just cause both are busted though hm

I stole this one from a dude facing a content creator, but they were running shigeki too which I just don't feel is standard playable rn

they also weren't running any helix which I feel is too good in bo1 to pass up

[twilit canyon]

fair

[sleek ferry]

I feel like I want to main deck pick your poison

The Boros matchup is annoying

[rigid scarab]

You want to what deck, thugs?

[sleek ferry]

Unfortunate typo

[trail anvil]

that card seems kinda miserable, that'd be rough

[urban crane]

Kinda funny thought what do you al think is a good mtg precon if you’re coming from yugioh?

[rigid scarab]

Well really any precon would do since mtg and yugioh are wildly different games

If you want to play into yugioh's strengths preferably a deck that gets its gameplan going as soon as possible

[sleek ferry]

The zombie one they released a while back

It was one of the most complete precons they’ve ever done

Maybe the best

[trail anvil]

this build is feeling weirder by the second

nearly won vs domain but couldn't get enough mites to stick

revival for the grindiest matchups feels so good but it's probably dead everywhere else

[rich bronze]

Traded 3 sheoldreds for 3 bonfires

Base print

Ez money?

[twilit canyon]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-february-26-2024

[trail anvil]

I'm guessing incorporates just makes it cost 1G more?

that's pretty cool though, I'm sure there are a number of cards to abuse with the extra stats

[twilit canyon]

• it gives it an added color identity

[trail anvil]

I can't think of many decent color identity cards on arena rn besides this one

but ye

[copper pecan]

modifying cards in your hand is a really underexplored design space in alchemy so i'm glad they're doing more of it

[golden plover]

I will say this definitely feels more like a reason for alchemy cards to exist than usual tbh

This is an interesting design space that couldn't be done on paper

[copper pecan]

https://twitter.com/DjMaffiXD/status/1762213195714847204

Maffi the Magic Muffin (@DjMaffiXD) on X

I'll probably make a thread when we get to see more of MKMAlchemy, but i will say that this Rhino Is SUPER abusable and can lead to tons of shenanigans and potentially gamebreaking interactions.

I assume there will be more with this effect, but changing mana value Is Crazy.

Twitter · Feb 26, 2024, 8:29 PM

why is it only embedding the first picture

anyways [[blazing rootwalla]] and [[arclight phoenix]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/115/blazing-rootwalla

Blazing Rootwalla <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard
: Blazing Rootwalla gets +2/+0 until end of turn. Activate only once each turn.
Madness (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/100/arclight-phoenix

Arclight Phoenix <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phoenix
Flying, haste
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've cast three or more instant and sorcery spells this turn, return Arclight Phoenix from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Some storms never blow over.
3/2

[trail anvil]

ooh that's fun

[zinc shard]

Just saw on Twitter, same artist

[sleek ferry]

I’ve played around 150 ranked games of mtga in the last 24 hours

And I’m only halfway to mythic

[stark skiff]

damn that bear is dope

[rich bronze]

Reddit

[zinc shard]

You mean in a format where Dark Ritual is legal Tower doesn't see much play? Shocking

[trail anvil]

wizards trolled me, gave me god draws after I first built this deck then unplayable draws later

or maybe my deck building was just that shit all along and I needed it to catch up with me

[sleek ferry]

I swear

It’s impossible for me to not get salty losing to mill

[lusty trench]

Mm

Ocna

[rich bronze]

Smallpox

Probably my coolest picked in a while

I doubt I’ll see another Russian foil time spiral smallpox on sale

And for reference I live in Moscow

It’s just that time spiral was one of the first sets printed in Russian and the print run was extremely low

So even foil uncommons are impossible to come by

[lusty trench]

I love mono black shiz so reading smallpox made me happy

[glad peak]

Damn

That looks sick

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1212213075093225532/image.png?ex=65f10466&is=65de8f66&hm=fafd82e7628893cc8326dd9d2a390226d17956f229f77620537885ef068f313d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=510

i like how perforator croc is like reverse massacre wurm

instead of the dead creatures burning, it makes the ones that didn't die burn

[twilit canyon]

they keep cooking with alchemy card design

that sphinx sounds super powerful

[[stab wound]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/93/stab-wound

Stab Wound <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets -2/-2.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player loses 2 life.

[twilit canyon]

oh real

oh shit this can descend super hard vs field of the dead

[copper pecan]

oh i didn't even realize this triggered descend

yeah this seems great

[twilit canyon]

either through the stab wounds on x/2s

or cycling

[trail anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1b1si68/got_to_mythic_with_an_offmeta_aftermath_analyst/ @twilit canyon someone else doing this build

I don't think 4c is the move, especially just for colossal skyturtle, but cosmic rebirth sounds kinda lit with aftermath analyst

[twilit canyon]

turtle tribal

u can def get away with 4c

[trail anvil]

you think the fetch lands make it easier?

actually might be worth it considering virtue grabs it

maybe helix is just wrong and I'm overcompensating for aggro

[twilit canyon]

maybe but i get respecting it

[trail anvil]

I'm definitely on the aftermath analyst train now

sets up most of your deck, at worst the land grab effect grabs the fetch lands and at best you get enough mana to win on the next turn

you can loop game ending threats with shigeki too, maybe I've been sleeping on this card too hard

[rich bronze]

One step closer to full foil amulet titan

[golden plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/caraidart/status/1762837314940645571

(This is Ilse Gort, the only confirmed furry MTG artist)

[lusty trench]

They needed a new market to tap into

[golden plover]

They really are trying to tap into the furry market now

[trail anvil]

they've known how lucrative the furry market is for a while now I'm sure

[golden plover]

I'm sure they have, I guess the concern is if itd lose other business

[trail anvil]

nah fantasy universes always have an allowable amount of furry characters no matter what

also they're talking about upskirt art but I thought they meant that super muscly box art

[copper pecan]

really weird card

[trail anvil]

TO THEIR RIGHT

4P CONFIRMED

that's definitely a troll card though, very funny

[twilit canyon]

they havent quite ruled out 4p on arena

but i dont expect it soon

[copper pecan]

yeah this is probably just futureproofing

[golden plover]

Didn't they say it'd take a fundamental rewrite of arena's code?

I assume this is a "just in case"

[trail anvil]

ye

[twilit canyon]

interesting

[trail anvil]

is there any deck that abuses that mechanic or ones like it?

[copper pecan]

no

[lusty trench]

Ayo why is vein ripper creeping up

It find a home somewhere?

[fallow citrus]

oh

pioneer

rakdos is using [[sorin, imperious bloodlord]] to put it on the board

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/115/sorin-imperious-bloodlord

Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
+1: Target creature you control gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn. If it's a Vampire, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
+1: You may sacrifice a Vampire. When you do, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord deals 3 damage to any target and you gain 3 life.
−3: You may put a Vampire creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 4

[fallow citrus]

and by rakdos it looks like it's rakdos vampires

[rigid scarab]

Oh shit

I may have pulled one

[lusty trench]

It's the new most expensive card in the set on card market

At a cool £15

It was my pre release promo lmao

[fallow citrus]

yeah turns out card is good when you can do it t3

[sleek ferry]

[[vein ripper]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/110/vein-ripper

Vein Ripper <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Assassin
Flying
Ward—Sacrifice a creature.
Whenever a creature dies, target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
"I'm afraid your investigation has reached a dead end."
6/5

[lusty trench]

My dream in edh is to reanimate this and then board wipe

[trail anvil]

man I can't look at this card too long just cause the name unnerves me lol

[fallow citrus]

top 10 things you love to see

[zinc shard]

Im surprised Tamiyo is still going around. If i went through what she did I'd be traumatized for life

[fallow citrus]

these are cards meant to show how planeswalkers got their sparks

so this is tamiyo pre-bad shit

[zinc shard]

ahh makes sense

[last glen]

Didn't she die in MOM?

[copper pecan]

mh3 isn't set in the present

[fallow citrus]

^

again, showing how they all originally got their sparks

it's why the ajani card is the way it is

[golden plover]

I just realized it'd be impossible to play commander on arena because everyone would quit or the turns would take too long lmao

Like it'd work, but I can't see it working well because everyone would rage quit or you'd be sitting there for an hour before it gets back to you because someone forgets to pass priority

[zinc shard]

I mean that's basically how it works on MTGO

[golden plover]

Mtgo is faster to pass priority because of the way the game is set up

There's also a chat and stuff to prevent some of the other issues

No chat 4 player arena sounds like hell

[trail anvil]

clearly that's the "massive overhaul" they were talking about when implementing 4p /s

[lusty trench]

We did it reddit, we broke peregrin took

[golden plover]

I dunno what the people who think it's actually gonna work are smoking or if they've ever played draft in arena

What should be 5 minutes of drafting your cards becomes 25 because everyone tabs out and it takes a year for the two people who have all the packs at once to move them around the table

Also doesn't the game crash if you've got more than like 50 permanents on board?

[glad peak]

Might be improving number of permanents on board then

[sleek ferry]

Wym, this does work though

[golden plover]

Yeah I guess they gotta fix that first

[sleek ferry]

It’s a 7 mana combo though

[golden plover]

Like iirc there's a token cap now because stuff like Scute Swarm crashes the game

[golden plover]

The joke is that there's way easier ways to break took

[sleek ferry]

Like?

[golden plover]

Something like Chatterfang or [[Academy Manufacturer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/221/academy-manufactor

Academy Manufactor <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Assembly-Worker
If you would create a Clue, Food, or Treasure token, instead create one of each.
Automated systems at the Tolarian Academy sort new acquisitions for optimal use, determining which should be studied, eaten, or sold.
1/3

[sleek ferry]

Took + manufacturer still requires a token creator

[golden plover]

Yeah, most things for took do

[copper pecan]

i kinda love this card tbh

[twilit canyon]

oh shit yeah this is surprisingly nice

curve filler as fuck but it foes it well

*does

3 mana 2/2 ward 2

err

4 mana

no wait disguise lol

[copper pecan]

it being able to track if it attacked while face down is a great use of alchemy mechanics

[twilit canyon]

it is 3 drop then 4 drop

or a 6 drop

mhm

3 mana 2/2 ward 2 into a 4 mana 6/6 trample ward 2 haste

[lusty trench]

I'm assuming if someone casts a spell on a disguised creature and you respond by flipping it, if the front side has ward that doesn't apply because they've already paid costs right?

[hidden ermine]

Unless Im wrong doesnt Ward apply on resolution?

[twilit canyon]

what do u mean

[lusty trench]

Ward triggers on target right?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[lusty trench]

So if you flip in response to being targeted, the ward cost on the front face doesn't apply, only the ward cost that a disguised creature has

[twilit canyon]

uraguanna face down has ward 2 targeted by a removal spell would trigger ward

opponent flipping it wouldnt change anything vs something like molten collapse if the thing is paid

[lusty trench]

Awesome ty

[hidden ermine]

Oh it does?

Huh

[lusty trench]

Man lot of lgs talking about mkm being such a loss for them

I'm not surprised but it hurts to see

[zinc shard]

Interesting it doesn't say "perpetually"

[golden plover]

Yeah set was kinda bad

[sleek ferry]

Set had great flavor though

[golden plover]

I dunno. I didn't love "we put a hat on this classic Ravnican character"

There's good moments but the hats and stuff feel goofy

[lusty trench]

Also the mystery aspect failed on both aspects

Like how do you have a bad murder mystery and a bad arg

Crazy

[copper pecan]

i thought the mystery was pretty good tbh

[stark skiff]

Who was the killer anyways. I didn’t follow it at all lol

[golden plover]

One third of Trostani

I thought that was vaguely okay

The ARG sucked tho

[copper pecan]

most of the people who ask for this kind of thing probably wouldn't actually buy the product

there's no need to make an entire set for that when they can just reprint the ones that there's actual demand for without having an entire set dedicated to it

[sleek ferry]

I find it funny that people complain about UB cards tbh, the UB cards are a good change of pace that make the “in-universe” cards feel more important in a way. Also like, where do you want the story to go, we’ve dealt with the biggest, baddest baddies in the universe

What’s next

[lusty trench]

I mean the biggest bad was beaten before most players picked up a deck

[sleek ferry]

We talking about Nicol Bolas yeah? Because there’s no other villain that is more synonymous in the mtg playerbase both old and new

[lusty trench]

Synonymous sure

Baddest of the bad? No

That’s yawgmoth

Yawgmoth had old walkers struggling

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but most people don’t care for Yawgmoth. And Bolas has the benefit that he was the last big villain before the commander boon, so new players didn’t have to go too far to learn about him

[rigid scarab]

I personally have issues with UB as a concept for being blatant corporate greed

But like the cards themselves are fine

[lusty trench]

It’s not about them not caring about them, I’m just saying you don’t have to constantly up the scale to be interesting

Mtg have beaten a lot of big bads, they’re just not good at making new ones

[rigid scarab]

Also I have no idea if MTG has to reclaim licensing in order to reprint some of these cards

[sleek ferry]

A good villain is key for any story to succeed

[rigid scarab]

What if the villain is "life obstacles"

[sleek ferry]

Life obstacles like the price of commander decks in Singapore

[lusty trench]

I mean kellans villain is daddy issues

[rigid scarab]

I hope you mull to 2

[copper pecan]

they've said they can reprint them whenever they want

[sleek ferry]

I could mull to 2 in kalamax and still win high key

[waxen timber]

The warhammer stuff on mtgo hints that sometimes UB products may have some fricton for reprints

[rigid scarab]

Played my first cedh pod in person

[sleek ferry]

what deck did you play? how did it go?

[golden plover]

I'd imagine there's also just the issue of you can't reprint a Warhammer card in a normal commander deck

[rich bronze]

so uh

Apparently MBT still plays mtg ( or at least mtgo )

as I just queued up against him on a modern league

He was on amulet

[sleek ferry]

It was pretty obvious he still plays, otherwise he wouldn't cross reference mtg in his yugioh videos

[rich bronze]

True

Unfortunately our game wasn’t very fun

As I was on mill

So I kinda auto won

[sleek ferry]

I'm going to wait till MH3 to pick up a modern deck irl

I was tempted to pick up rhinos since I own half the deck

[rich bronze]

Rhinos eating a ban 100%

[sleek ferry]

but, no point with MH3 around the corner

[rich bronze]

It’ll still be good tho

[sleek ferry]

I just want something for Hammer Time, that's been my favorite modern deck for a good while, but I can't justify picking it up when there's just better decks out there

[rich bronze]

pick up a deck you enjoy

Hammer will always be okay

I’m still on creativity

And creativity has actually been really good recently

Despite it being unpopular

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I'm still going to wait it out though, who knows what fun things MH3 will bring us

[rich bronze]

Tbh can’t wait forever

Try stuff out

Buy a MTGO subscription

For 30 bucks

Try everything

Domain aggro is fun as fuck

[rigid scarab]

Winter Orb-less Urza

[sudden lava]

alright moth ordered

[lusty trench]

Lamp

[sudden lava]

Mill and +1/+1 engage

[lusty trench]

Oh right PSA, stores are getting a lot less fallout collector boxes than expected

So if you've pre-ordered one check up on that

[copper pecan]

https://x.com/mtg_arena/status/1763631385963614503?s=46&t=Dq1dqpaCKfEFHLFmgixcrA

MTG Arena (@MTG_Arena) on X

It's Flavor Text Friday! What do you think Snarlfang Vermin is whispering? #MTGKarlov

Twitter · Mar 1, 2024, 6:24 PM

ogey

[twilit canyon]

this is pretty neat

[lusty trench]

That last ability is sweet

Especially if you can pitch multiple of them

[zinc shard]

So it passed along the first ability? The one to suspect creatues it has damaged

[lusty trench]

Ye

[trail anvil]

don't you have to take an unfavorable trade to use its effect?

although ig the point is to swing with everything to make it so an opponent's creature can't block

[rigid scarab]

Mox Masters indefinitely postponing their events

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1213304345848975450/image.png?ex=65f4fcba&is=65e287ba&hm=8c21b070776a489dc4ce49b84f21be3bd2dd325301e03c27399ac4d02a60d596&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=477&height=662

[twilit canyon]

lol

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptRwNerQvuQ

[twilit canyon]

honestly scrutiny of the guildpact kinda cooks

thats a really good lord effect

works with lurrus

but yeah my immediate thought with the incorporate cards will be phoenixes

arclight and otherwise

[copper pecan]

yeah

[twilit canyon]

thought-string analyst

finally

reverse bob

[trail anvil]

oh hey spotlight falcon is [[legion angel]] 2.0

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/23/legion-angel

Legion Angel <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Warrior
Flying
When Legion Angel enters the battlefield, you may reveal a card you own named Legion Angel from outside the game and put it into your hand.
"We are many, and righteous."
4/3

[twilit canyon]

relics of the rubblebelt might be cooking a bit hm

amulet of vigor on arena when

oh tajic may be really good

[trail anvil]

tajic looks like it's gonna be used as a commander in brawl for sure

holy fuck

[copper pecan]

wait you can use this with ulamog

[twilit canyon]

yeah

and atraxa

i feel like this can possibly be super abuseable

[hidden ermine]

You could do it with Emrakul

[twilit canyon]

i was gonna say we dont have emrakul on arena but we do have the inferior emrakul

[hidden ermine]

Promised end?

[twilit canyon]

yea

[trail anvil]

we're about to have mh3 emrakul too

[zinc shard]

[[Tyvar]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Tyvar”, can you be more specific?

[zinc shard]

[[Tyvar, Jubliant Brawler]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/218/tyvar-jubilant-brawler

Tyvar, Jubilant Brawler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tyvar
You may activate abilities of creatures you control as though those creatures had haste.
+1: Untap up to one target creature.
−2: Mill three cards, then you may return a creature card with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Loyalty: 3

[zinc shard]

oh yea, this is gonna be a deck

[trail anvil]

@twilit canyon yeah virtue of strength is nuts, I severely underestimated this card

this is the only way you win vs decks like domain realistically, I actually just had 2 mana leftover to kill them too since they had herd migration lmao

this build actually is super strong unless you face the reenact the crime scene combo deck but idk what answers that rn

the fact that cosmic rebirth can bring back temporary lockdown actually just merks aggro so hard it's crazy

[twilit canyon]

aye fair enough about virtue of strength

[sudden lava]

Excited to throw this in the mutant menace precon, neat draw engine.

[sleek ferry]

not in abzan colors, sigh

[sleek ferry]

Those alt arts are really growing on me

[golden plover]

I still wish the dossier had a better coloring on the background

Really hard to tell what color they are

[rich bronze]

war crime

[twilit canyon]

lmao

[barren cairn]

Fuck me man

Running into the "I built krenko and now all my other decks look like complete dogshit" problem

[waxen timber]

Is that a problem?

You have a deck that can play at higher power levels and then a ton of other decks fit for lower power levels

[barren cairn]

I guess the issue is I got rolled hard in every other game so now I have to make everything slightly better to compensate

For one I'm dismantling Brimaz because he's bad at toxic and bad at incubating

I also gotta completely overhaul my Ally deck mana base

And I made the mistake of being the biggest threat as a dino player and died to big dragons

Then again all dragon decks I've faced roll me

[rich bronze]

Have we ever had

A true counter-cat style deck in ygo

Post 2003

That is, stick a small threat

Protect it while it slowly beats down

Removal and counterspells galore

[hidden ermine]

Chain Rabbit

Err chain beat

But yeah it existed

Was a viable deck aaages ago

[rich bronze]

hmm sorta

@twilit canyon from what I’ve seen the winrate with T2 scion on leyline is well north of 90%

Personal experience, 32-2 so far

In games in which I sticked a scion with leyline on board

it’s joever for them

[twilit canyon]

im well aware of how good the deck is

i am playing domain rhinos

[rich bronze]

Oh I’m on zoo

[twilit canyon]

still the deck is far from unbeatable

[rich bronze]

domain zoo is a lot more fun

[twilit canyon]

zoo sounds way worse

[rich bronze]

Oh no no no it’s really good

It’s showing a 57% winrate in leagues and challenges

[twilit canyon]

i doubt its better than the rhinos shell

[rich bronze]

Maybe not

[twilit canyon]

more exploitable and worse if u dont draw leyline hands

[rich bronze]

If you don’t draw leyline hands

you’re playing counter cat

which I love

stick a 3/3

[twilit canyon]

feels really cope

like

i love nactl

but its just not enough nowdays

[rich bronze]

Not really, it’s legit as hell, the numbers show it.

a 1 mana 3/3 is good

[twilit canyon]

but that gives up a t2 or t1 play

unless you open leyline

rhinos dont have to open leyline

they will still beat u

[rich bronze]

? you just fetch shock twice

You have nactl as a 3/3 turn 2

[twilit canyon]

better have 3 lands for domain

cant have domain with 2 shocks

[rich bronze]

You only need to assemble domain t2 if you’re looking for scion

But uh

More often than not

Kavu coming down as a 4/4

Is perfectly fine

especially if you can T3 domain

[twilit canyon]

at that point why not just drop 2 4/4s at instant speed

and be better at leveraging subtlety and fon

[rich bronze]

Well you need specific stuff for that and there’s more counterplay

I’m not saying zoo is better than rhinos

I’m saying that the disparity isn’t huge

And statistically zoo is showing a higher win rate

[twilit canyon]

zoo draws have always been super exploitable un the end. they can get tempo'd bad

[rich bronze]

But that’s because the average rhinos player is

Kind of bad

whereas the average zoo player has been playing the deck for years

[twilit canyon]

i wouldnt be surprised if zoo is showing a better winrate atm cus most ppl playing rhinos now suck at it

ppl hopping on domain rhinos like t2 scion with leyline is a free win

[rich bronze]

It can also tempo pretty hard

don’t diss the cat

[twilit canyon]

100% dissing the cat

[rich bronze]

The monkey is in the room too

ya know

[twilit canyon]

as a murktide player a domain zoo deck is one of my most free matchups

they will never be as mama efficient as murktide

[rich bronze]

that’s true

[twilit canyon]

and they dont carry nearly the amount of interaction necessary

[rich bronze]

But murktide is 40-60 tbh

Maybe slightly worse

[lusty trench]

I need more low mana draw spells for edh in grixis but I'm broke as shit anyone know any decent options

[rich bronze]

I have a good record into murktide players personally, definitely above 50% but many murktide players are clueless

It’s hard to judge certain decks like murktide and rhinos based on wirnates

[twilit canyon]

murktide is another deck like that yeah

ive been playing both for a while now

rhinos since like a year ago

murktide since mh2 dropped

[rich bronze]

I’m on zoo and creativity rn

[twilit canyon]

i know well their limits and stopping points

[rich bronze]

creativity actually feels pretty good rn

[twilit canyon]

hence why i see ppl surprised at my lgs how i dont struggle vs domain zoo

on murktide at least

once u know the patterns and plays u can overwhelm any scion with a 7/7 murktide

[rich bronze]

a good zoo player can definitely steamroll below average pilots of

Almost anything

[twilit canyon]

of course thats always been the case

and the reason domain zoo was tier 2/3

never bad just never the best deck + dedicated pilots would do well

but it doesnt has the raw power of titan or yawg

[rich bronze]

The cycle was as follows:
Good player wins a challenge, Reddit hypes it up and pick it up, they do terribly, they drop it, repeat.

[twilit canyon]

real

domain zoo is in the cycle rn

[rich bronze]

but rn zoo is legit tier 1 power wise IMO

The free win factor

Is strong

[twilit canyon]

thats what i disagree on. not yet cus i think domain zoo doesnt has the full power to beat on yawg or titan

and it has draws that are exploitable by murktide and scam

[rich bronze]

I’m actually gonna try play a few dozen matches against dom

Haha

[twilit canyon]

sure dropping leyline scion is amazing but eventually that play will also wear thin as ppl realize that stopping it isnt super difficulg

*difficult

especially for blue decks

[rich bronze]

Dom Harvey I mean

( He’s pretty good at titan )

[twilit canyon]

dom harvey i think i recall that name among titan players

[rich bronze]

I guess we’ll see as the meta adapts

[twilit canyon]

but yeah i think the titan match up sounds super impossible for zoo

without significant sb adaptations

[rich bronze]

It’s not as bad as you’d think

Dom says he loses it quite a bit

[twilit canyon]

vs zoo or vs rhinos

[rich bronze]

Yeah he’s the GOAT of the deck

vs zoo

but quite a bit is like

30%

[twilit canyon]

i can understand rhinos a bit more

30% sounds awful. anyone left playing titan since a while back has turned into experts with it

against the average titan player ur probs seeing a 40% winrate

[rich bronze]

Not true I play it once a decade and I’m dogshit

But I technically “still play”

[twilit canyon]

thats not actively playing titan u know what i meant

[rich bronze]

yeye

Titan was also one of those decks like zoo

With an exaggerated winrate

Since the people playing it have played it forever

[twilit canyon]

theres a difference tho cus titan i feel is extremely well positioned in the meta atm

[rich bronze]

aye it’s better

I agree with mengu on zoo

It’s tier 1 but on the lower end

6th best deck according to him

also remember how murktide had a 49% winrate at its peak

I wonder how much

Bad players dragged it down

[twilit canyon]

a lot

at my old lgs i ate bad murktide players for extremely easy 5-0s

[glad peak]

I loved the mirror at locals

So many bad murktide players but the good one made for fun games

[zinc shard]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-march-4-2024

2 Alchemy Rebalances

[twilit canyon]

based

[copper pecan]

the fragment thing was a long time coming ngl

you'd think they would have learned after people used path to exile as a ramp spell

[trail anvil]

or more recently tibalt's trickery