MTG's actual lore is beyond average
#Magic the Gathering
rigid scarab
Ok
golden plover
You mean below average?
rigid scarab
It feels wrong to suddenly be all up at the people who enjoy the lore of mtg
They have the right to enjoy the lore just fine
golden plover
Since your second comment does sound like you meant that
copper pecan
They have the right to enjoy the lore just fine
well it's a good thing the lore isn't going anywhere then
sleek ferry
They have the right to enjoy the lore just fine
this is fine, you can enjoy the lore
copper pecan
them doing crossovers doesn't mean they're not doing anything else ever again
rigid scarab
"UB good because lore bad" isn't right
sleek ferry
I'm more referencing pope's statement of them having their own format/in universe skin
rigid scarab
I feel like UB would be the same place as it was now if the lore was really good
sleek ferry
it's not as if mtg has this godlike story that UB cards are ruining
copper pecan
i swear to god the mtg playerbase has the attentionspan of a goldfish or something, just because they're doing one thing doesn't mean they're only going to do that thing going forward and nothing else
rigid scarab
It would be one thing if MTG's lore was godlike
And then UB started coming out
And then the lore started becoming shit
But MTG lore has been really mid for like
copper pecan
ub doesn't have any impact on the lore at all
rigid scarab
The past 5 years
rigid scarab
ub doesn't have any impact on the lore at all
I'm giving a hypothetical
Like if in some world the focus on UB meant less time focused on the lore
copper pecan
in the entire time that i've been playing mtg's lore has been average at best in every respect other than worldbuilding
golden plover
I don't want in-universe skins because the MTG lore is crazy good or anything
I just want them because I don't like the idea of having other media in my decks
Feels like an advertisement
sleek ferry
the best part about mtg's modern lore has legitly been Kaya lol (she's a badass bitch)
golden plover
Yeah, it's a specific thing for me, but it's weird to go "I play Will and equip him with the sonic screwdriver"
rigid scarab
in the entire time that i've been playing mtg's lore has been average at best in...
Again I'm presenting a hypothetical scenario where MTG's lore started going from good to bad right when UB started coming out
Then you could say that UB hampers the richness of the lore
But we don't live in that world
golden plover
I just feel weird playing an ad for a TV show at my table
It's very much a just me thing, but it's awkward
copper pecan
I just feel weird playing an ad for a TV show at my table
chief you are on a yugioh server
rigid scarab
I see it
I personally don't put UB cards in my decks
You shouldn't feel pressured to play them
rigid scarab
chief you are on a yugioh server
Yugioh does have, especially nowadays, a ton of options for non-anime decks
Me personally I just
Refuse to play any decks that anime protags used
At least not seriously
rigid scarab
As in
Not present in the anime
Also looking at it now I think I'm mainly talking about vanguard
sleek ferry
that's like w.e though, also most top decks end up in the anime at some point or another
rigid scarab
Zoodiac is an anime deck
fallow citrus
I mean it just isn't
zinc shard
Appearing in the background of one episode doesn't make it an anime deck
sudden lava
Assassin Creed I wont comment on cuz I know absolute nothing about it, but Doctor Who does kinda fit. The Doctor has been on many different planets and has accidentally jumped into different timelines. He's even seen Satan (sort of) so him encountering demons isn't out the question.
stark skiff
I just feel weird playing an ad for a TV show at my table
get ready for my avengers deck kid
dense berry
rigid scarab
Makes sense
zinc shard
This tweet is about yugioh but I feel like it fits here too
barren cairn
Live krenko reaction
polar lake
the world has moved on for the need for a reserved list
trail anvil
oh boy here we go again
golden plover
Holy shit just saw the stats on [[Roaming Throne]] in EDH and imma be sick
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward 
As Roaming Throne enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4
golden plover
Yeah maybe card does need to get banned in commander for the golos reason
trail anvil
for the golos reason? it's in the 99 tho
golden plover
It's already in 68,000 decks already
Golos was banned for being a universally good option as a commander
trail anvil
ye it's a tribal powerhouse
golden plover
This should probably go for being just a necessary slot in the 99
trail anvil
it was a 5c commander that also paid for half its commander tax on play lol
golden plover
That and it was the best 5c commander for a majority of jobs
It did stuff like ramp and reanimator better than the commanders designed around them
But yeah, maybe throne needs to die in EDH
trail anvil
I mean
I think it's just a staple for tribal decks and there are a ton of tribal decks, I don't think that makes it ban-worthy alone
golden plover
Also consider how much longer doubling season has been around
And consider throne is colorless
trail anvil
that's very much on purpose tho
if it makes tribal decks outperform everything then sure but idk
we've already had herald's horn, coat of arms, etc
twilit canyon
typal decks get a buff god forbid
lusty trench
Me who just puts it in every deck because double commander triggers feels good
I love getting two treasures off prosper, I love getting 4 krark sakashima triggers, give me liberty, give me fire, give me throne or I retire
golden plover
I mean, tribal could use a buff, but cards being in 10% of decks in the format is crazy
I like stuff like [[Realmwalker]] for tribal
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golden plover
And the payoff to the arg is...
A marvel after credits scene...
@lusty trench lmao all that work for a whole chapter of "There's a plot in motion"
All this tells us is that Niv wants to make Ravnica the center of the universe and knows about the omenpaths
copper pecan
what were you expecting it to be
golden plover
I dunno. There were soany cool puzzles
Was hoping for something bigger than "Oh btw the plot is gonna keep happening"
copper pecan
well yeah, it's an epilogue
there wasn't much left to have happen in this sets story
golden plover
Was kinda hoping they'd at least tie the fomori into it
If they're gonna be the new main villains, getting a glimpse at that would have been cool
I just wanted to actually see the Fomori I guess
rigid scarab
A marvel after credits scene...
"Hello, person who tried to retcon Chandra to be straight. I'm forming together a team."
fallow citrus
I was scrolled up but like
a card being a staple does not mean it should be banned imo
rigid scarab
Ban cultivate
fallow citrus
is it time to ban all the green ramp cards
rigid scarab
A card becomes banworthy if it's ubiquitous and consistently makes games all about it
Most of the time at an efficient mana value too
To the point where there's not much playaround
That's how Sylvan Primoridal, Prophet of Kruphix and Hullbreacher got banned
golden plover
Yeah that's kinda what I'm saying
It's not that it's too good, it's that it's becoming too common
Like Golos
fallow citrus
staples will be staples
like if it being common is bad are we gonna ban sol ring, command tower, signet, cultivate etc
glad peak
Every year ban the top 10 most played cards and unban 5 of the oldest banned cards
sleek ferry
golden plover
I mean I've already gone on the record of saying sol ring should've been banned lmao
modern minnow
are people still into banning the one ring
glad peak
Always
golden plover
Somewhat. People don't like the way it's play patterns go
But I think Bowmasters is the big ban people want in modern rn
modern minnow
specifically for edh i shouldve clarified
glad peak
People want to ban me from using it like they’re banning me from playing more than 1 color
^ only my very specific playgroup btw
modern minnow
nah we should make the rc ban u from playing more than 1 colour
golden plover
I think the Ring's play patterns in Edh aren't as bad so now that it's not the new expensive Boogeyman it's not as ban worthy
modern minnow
ic ty
golden plover
You'll still get salty looks if you play it and win tho
But it's gonna get a groan on play now and not "fuck that card"
modern minnow
my playgroup still has the latter reaction tbh
glad peak
Speaking of, just came back from a dinner date so I expect a good hand 
lusty trench
Can someone run me by why leyline of guildpact is good? Like it certainly reads good but is it good because of consistency or domain or?
copper pecan
domain + good fixing
lusty trench
Ty
twilit canyon
the fixing isnt a big deal
the deck will have perfect mana anyways
the best part is actually the way it combos with [[scion of draco]]
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Artifact Creature — Dragon
Domain — This spell costs less to cast for each basic land type among lands you control.
Flying
Each creature you control has vigilance if it's white, hexproof if it's blue, lifelink if it's black, first strike if it's red, and trample if it's green.
4/4
twilit canyon
scion now gives itself hexproof vigilance, lifelink, first strike and trample
copper pecan
hey, if any of y'all want free arena exp,
Import the following list into MTG arena, then rename the deck to "the way is open" (it's not punctuation- or case-sensitive). You'll get a message in your mailbox if you do it correctly.
Deck
1 Novice Inspector (MKM) 29
1 Furtive Courier (MKM) 59
1 Out Cold (MKM) 66
1 Case of the Stashed Skeleton (MKM) 80
1 Homicide Investigator (MKM) 86
1 Leering Onlooker (MKM) 91
1 Reckless Detective (MKM) 141
1 The Pride of Hull Clade (MKM) 172
1 Granite Witness (MKM) 206
1 Meddling Youths (MKM) 219
1 Extract a Confession (MKM) 84
1 Glint Weaver (MKM) 162
twilit canyon
there is a single playable card that actually kills it this way on t2
trail anvil
scion? sheoldred's edict?
twilit canyon
yep
edict is the only card that can cleanly kill scion with leyline in play
on curve at least
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sleek ferry
Oh so it’s just domain with an extra option early that sometimes outright wins you the game?
Do you hard mulligan for it or just play whatever playable hand?
twilit canyon
you never mull to leyline + scion
your mana already has domain enabled from the get go
t1 xanders lounge -> temple garden
or vice versa if you need leyline binding t1
sleek ferry
Yeah I mean one hard mulligan for just leyline, but that makes sense
Also this deck is looking mighty affordable
I own half these cards
stark skiff
Huh Niv-Mizzet, Guildpact looks like an interesting commander
anything interesting been done with it?
zinc shard
The deck probably looks the same as a [[Niv Mizzet Reborn]] deck
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lusty trench
New rainbow niv goes in the 99 of the old
stark skiff
The deck probably looks the same as a [[Niv Mizzet Reborn]] deck
huh never knew about this one
zinc shard
just confirmed this works
https://sealeddeck.tech/xBwOJXKMZS
Import this decklist, move all the cards from sideboard to main board, and name the deck "thewayisopen".
twilit canyon
this was already posted but yeah it actually works
twilit canyon
because footfalls are hard meta in modern and very playable in legacy
lusty trench
Ye people just want the pretty arts
Iirc ghostly prison is like £12 despite being a commonly reprinted card
fallow citrus
yeah the special guest footfalls looks super nice
barren cairn
fair enough
it's very pretty
i pulled it out of a random pack
i also pulled anzrag so
that alone was p good
sleek ferry
because footfalls are hard meta in modern and very playable in legacy
Think imma go hard on building this for modern btw
All the collecting cards from pre pandemic finally paid off
I have like 60% of it
twilit canyon
yeah deck is solid
even if it falls off to build domain rhinos
temur rhinos will be a meta deck in modern for a long while
sleek ferry
Also in preparation I’ve been watching a bit of modern gameplay and man, tidebinder really filled a much needed niche huh
twilit canyon
Also in preparation I’ve been watching a bit of modern gameplay and man, tidebin...
more or less
stifles had been printed but
they arent nearly as playable as a 3 drop that keeps an effect shut down
sleek ferry
What do you think about the amount of playable legacy format cards being printed in new sets Misty?
twilit canyon
well im not nearly as into legacy as my sister
sleek ferry
I meant legacy format as in modern/legacy/pioneer
sleek ferry
I feel like there’s been more printed in the last 3 years than we had pre pandemic tbh
twilit canyon
but the normal trickle-in that we get is normal and also isnt overbearing meta like how oko and uro were
sleek ferry
Like you got sheoldred, all the cappena tris, up the beanstalk, the domain stuff, atraxa to a certain degree
Every set seems to have a couple of playable to fringe playable cards in every format
twilit canyon
pause on sheoldred
shes great
but shes not dominant in modern or legacy
sideboard piece in modern
fringe in legacy
sleek ferry
Where as you look at shit like Ikoria, zendikar rising, those sets didn’t have much
twilit canyon
ikoria had companions
sleek ferry
Ah right we got lurrus there
twilit canyon
zendikar rising mdfc lands are still broken for the decks that care about those cards
and zendikar rising had omnath
lusty trench
Livestream showcasing the Sheldon secret lair is up
twilit canyon
card has been dominating for ages
sleek ferry
Link it
lusty trench
Watch CommanderRC with me on Twitch! https://www.twitch.tv/commanderrc?sr=a
fallow citrus
I don't know what twitch does to streams but that is almost unwatchable for me
barren cairn
god i want to build one of the omnaths
golden plover
Lemme know when we see the Sheldon cards
lusty trench
I'm waiting for someone to upload it to the reddit
golden plover
Why is this quality so bad
sudden lava
lemme try fixing it
golden plover
That Sol Ring, command tower, and tef's protection are really nice
lusty trench
Ink shield is also good cause iirc he loved working on the orzhov strixhaven deck
trail anvil
wasn't inkshield one of his favorite cards if not his favorite
lusty trench
I believe so?
The lair is £40 non foil, £50 foil, and 50% of the sale price goes to American cancer, it's also print to demand
sleek ferry
Inkshield was indeed one of his favorite cards
golden plover
wasn't inkshield one of his favorite cards if not his favorite
Inkshield is the first card he designed, went unchanged from design to print
And Ruhan was his favorite commander
trail anvil
makes sense
rigid scarab
When was the last time they quoted a real person in flavour text?
copper pecan
iirc it was 10th edition
trail anvil
there hasn't been some kind of secret lair or UB product that's done that?
copper pecan
not that i know of
rigid scarab
https://preview.redd.it/sq1idgxu0vic1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=59d13...
To clarify, the Greater Good is always going to be in italian no matter the region it's printed in
American Cancer society will receive 50% of each product sale, and a minimum of $250 000
golden plover
Greater Good is Italian because all of Sheldon's copies are
golden plover
Yep
trail anvil
I think they did a really good job with this
clever sun
Yeah they really did well here
rigid scarab
All around very good stuff
They really didn't need good financial value either but
Hey Teferis and Greater Good are nice
trail anvil
doesn't teferi's protection already basically make up for it instantly
that card is like $30 last time I checked
sleek ferry
[[greater good]]
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sleek ferry
When can we buy the SL btw
rigid scarab
Pre-order on feb 26
sleek ferry
Going to mark it in my calendar, this seems too good to pass up in terms of nailing the theme of the SL
golden plover
It's also just a super nice tribute to Sheldon
sleek ferry
Imma be frank, I never really cared for Sheldon, so I’m not going to pretend like all of a sudden I do, but I do agree this is a really nice tribute for him
golden plover
He didn't have the best takes sometimes, but I respect how much he cared for the game and EDH
He was by all accounts a nice guy
Sidenote, I'm wondering if Fomori is gonna become a creature type
trail anvil
I didn't know him really but I understand he did a lot for commander and it's good to celebrate his life
hidden ermine
Likely yes
golden plover
He was one of the founding members of the commander playgroups
And the one that changed it from only being Elder Dragons to any legendary
stark skiff
That Sol Ring, command tower, and tef's protection are really nice
These and Inkshield are the best ones. The art for Greater Good is dope too. Anyone know if the monster they picked for him has any significance?
lusty trench
These and Inkshield are the best ones. The art for Greater Good is dope too. Any...
It's his favourite commander
zinc shard
sudden lava
this card got teased on the official card image gallery
scrappy survivors 20th, hail caesar 21st, mutant menace 22nd, and science 23rd
lusty trench
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGeQt5RWAAAYKVz?format=png&name=small
wow this is ass
barren cairn
sudden lava
<:cheems:683182129668292685> wow this is ass
At least the deck has a way to cheat it out
cuz sheesh 6 mana is too much
golden plover
Oh cool, Sheldon personally picked out all the cards in the lair before he pased
lusty trench
Im not going to get the lair probably but it seems like a decent selection of cards
Its especially hard to fault given the circumstances but there's value there, half is going to charity etc
golden plover
Yeah it's a nice set of cards. Good variety between his personal favorites and value cards
lusty trench
My legit only complaint is I wish more lairs had this kind of value and that's nothing against the lair itself
golden plover
True. Dunno why all lairs can't be 7 cards
sudden lava
possibly
golden plover
What to y'all think the bonus card will be?
Hopefully [[Karador, Ghost Chieftain]]
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Legendary Creature — Centaur Spirit
This spell costs 
less to cast for each creature card in your graveyard.
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a creature spell from your graveyard.
"Death tried to uncrown me. But now I return, king of a greater realm."
3/4
hidden ermine
Did he have a pet by any chance?
golden plover
If it's something Richmond themed, I'd also be happy with that
SCG was based in Richmond when he worked with them
Richmond is like an hour away from me, and one of the best cities in the state
golden plover
Karador is the best pick, but it's hard to flavor it
I think it'd be in bad taste to make him Karador
Probably why they went with Ruhan in the first place
barren cairn
Yeah true
glad peak
It would be in very bad taste unless it was something like “Sheldon, spirit of commander” or something and even then it feels weird
golden plover
Yeah even then I wouldn't like it
glad peak
And that’s the most respectful way I can think of to include that
golden plover
He did have a cat named Vito
But "Vito, Ghost Chieftain" would be kinda weird when there's Vito, Dusk Prophet
zinc shard
Stonks day\
trail anvil
are people just not into planechase?
rigid scarab
I mean maybe?
Another thing could be that
This was just not a very interesting game
And a lot of GK views come from rewatches
The reason LRR came in was also literally stated
"They're in our highest viewed video!"
barren cairn
Planechase is weird
There was one time I played it where a beast within became armageddon
sudden lava
One time Mushrooms and Sauron were brawling it out in a library in planechase
zinc shard
Oh I remember this one. ||Grant not killing the Hermit Druid was such a punt||
zinc shard
trail anvil
sleek ferry
Oh I remember this one. ||Grant not killing the Hermit Druid was such a punt||
Oh it’s that one? Yeah this one is high key unwatchable for that reason
That was king making for the sake of not playing optimally
trail anvil
outlaws of thunder junction commander deck boxes were leaked
||is that gonti in sultai 
||
golden plover
||Looks like Gonti||
trail anvil
||I'm surprised he's still alive, must've sucked a lot of people||
golden plover
||He's got his aether heart. Lets him bypass aetherborn restrictions||
trail anvil
ic
twilit canyon
hell yeah ||gonti returns. also p sure all aetherborn are nonbinary||
golden plover
||They are, but Gonti explicitly uses he/him in stories||
Some aetherborn do have a pronoun preference
golden plover
Iirc Yaheeni used "she" a couple times too?
Yaheeni's story is in first person, but I think other characters called them "she"
Weird how the only two legendary aetherborn use gendered pronouns
golden plover
outlaws of thunder junction commander deck boxes were leaked
Oh wait the Mardu one is ||Olivia||
trail anvil
ye
golden plover
Oh hey that's our third Mardu vamp legendary then
trail anvil
||They are, but Gonti explicitly uses he/him in stories||
||actually do they? the wiki is using they/them pronouns whoops||
golden plover
||actually do they? the wiki is using they/them pronouns whoops||
||Wiki does use they/them but stories and the DND supplement use "he/him" for Ghonti||
trail anvil
ic
golden plover
I assume they just default to they/them for aetherborn
Since both named aetherborn use another pronoun but no other aetherborn card does
zinc shard
||Oh boy Spellslinger!||
copper pecan
||for a second i legit thought that that was vronos||
lusty trench
outlaws of thunder junction commander deck boxes were leaked
||Naya receiving their 5th commander deck in a row||
sudden lava
outlaws of thunder junction commander deck boxes were leaked
ooh commander leaks
sleek ferry
||Naya receiving their 5th commander deck in a row||
It needs it, it’s probably the weakest 3 Color combination high key
lusty trench
10-12 new cards designed to be playable on a casual level aren't likely to be the game changer for them
sleek ferry
Outside of ||Rocco|| , what good ||naya|| commanders do we have
sudden lava
||Wow the Izzet one tells absolutely nothing ||
lusty trench
||This just in: izzet (now with more izzet)||
||guesses for the big reprint in each deck?
Izzet: probably some extra turn shit, maybe an expropriate?
Naya: crucible of worlds maybe?
Sultai: praetors grasp? It's the best I can think of on theme
Mardu: most wanted would be dockside, they could put in ancient copper/reaver cleaver/tithe maybe? but most likely feels like revel in riches||
twilit canyon
Outside of ||Rocco|| , what good ||naya|| commanders do we have
minsc and boo
sudden lava
||guesses for the big reprint in each deck?
Izzet: probably some extra turn shit...
We're getting a crucible of worlds reprint soon already
zinc shard
What do
trail anvil
time to go full johnny
trail anvil
wow this vorinclex was genuinely the perfect draw lmao
killed kaya (they probably should've chumped with teysa even though they would lose both). now that it sticks kaya can't remove vorinclex, wanderer can't remove vorinclex and archpriest can't put a counter on anything
this is why I put this damn card in every green brawl deck 
it's busted
atomic harness
wow this vorinclex was genuinely the perfect draw lmao
proud of you kid 
vorinclex is the goat
trail anvil
fr
sudden lava
full deck reveals start on the 20th, but Bethesda is gonna give us a bite sized reveal tomorrow
Twitter
zinc shard
https://vxtwitter.com/FrvntAlchemist/status/1759264141561208951?s=20
Context from what I'm seeing is that player said they didn't have a way to win, and then proceeded to win using this line.
https://vxtwitter.com/BobbyBr80460393/status/1759266739030827456?s=20
The person in question responded
broken fjord
Bunch of people just defending the idea of lying in that thread. It's kinda lame.
That said, the guy said he didn't see the line when he said that. So who knows?
glad peak
Eh the game is playing politics and that includes lying to win so 🤷♂️
broken fjord
I don't think it's unfair. Just lame. I like influencing games through telling the truth. Truths that benefit me.
copper pecan
angle shooting should be discouraged
things like this drive people away from the game
glad peak
Yes it’s lame, yes it’s angle shooting, but unless we create a format of “no talking cedh”, these sorts of things are inevitable in a competitive format where more than 2 players try to win
rigid scarab
Yes it’s lame, yes it’s angle shooting, but unless we create a format of “no tal...
And stuff like this is why cEDH is never going to be very viable as a competitive format
If I wanted to play a game where my own charisma has a tangible factor on my winrate, I would be playing other card games
clever sun
Yes it’s lame, yes it’s angle shooting, but unless we create a format of “no tal...
I honestly don't see it as too different from asking questions in singleton to lead your opponent into thinking about a card you don't have.
sleek ferry
Yeah it’s a weird gray area. I think what makes this worse is that it’s an online tourney where people don’t have the constant access to seeing your GY/cards in hand
In person, I have 0 issues with this as you always angle shoot in cedh and knowing other peoples win cons in the pod is a must
Online though? Idk. Everything becomes a little harder
rigid scarab
In person, I have 0 issues with this as you always angle shoot in cedh and knowi...
I know it's a 'do anything to win' format but I really don't feel good if I lose due to social skills
I still do think that cedh is a casual format at the end of the day
twilit canyon
its a tournament
lsv did a similar "lie" many times in tournaments when he guided his opp to making mistakes with completely made up information
ie: making someone think about how blockers would look if he made a token off a land before dropping a settle the wreckage
or pat sullivan having merriam ross die with multiple sources of lifelink in hand on burn
by making ross think said life was never gonna connect
and if u genuinely didnt see the line at first that makes it even more inconsequential
cedh has a lot going on at the moment and if u genuinely didnt see it at first it happens
ive had to bs wins out of nothing before and my cards in hand sometimes just dont seem to win until "oh the game state played out just right to do so."
sleek ferry
I think that’s the biggest thing to me, if you see the person is 1 piece away from winning, or you know if they untap they have enough mana to get a win, that’s on you for not judging the game off the game state and off their word
rigid scarab
Maybe it's a community culture thing but I do greatly dislike the mental warfare aspect of mtg
Mental warfare as in not using game actions to bluff
But rather your own social skills
sleek ferry
Mental warfare also includes knowing your outs and win cons. Especially looking at the boards here, nobody at that table should have felt that they would get another turn
rigid scarab
Isn't that just game knowledge
Knowing how the format works
Unless you define "your out" as trying to use your words to bluff out a win
sleek ferry
Well that’s the thing, nobody really says much in cedh other than “hey, just letting you guys know, x player can present a win next turn”
The fact that we’re even asking for what basically is full hand info to begin with is silly
fallow citrus
bro really does just help settlements
rigid scarab
Say a player is acting super salty and say they literally have nothing
And then go for a protected win line next turn
I think in the general mtg space that would be fine
But more frowned upon in, say, yugioh
I think it is a community culture thing
sleek ferry
Yugioh doesn’t even let you ask these questions as per the rules
rigid scarab
And when asking people from the yugioh community the answer is usually "yeah that's good"
The people advocating for mental warfare in yugioh I see is mostly people coming from magic
But I think yugioh has plenty of mental warfare
Just in the form of game actions
sleek ferry
It’s exactly the same for competitive magic?
sudden lava
sleek ferry
Leaving mana up is mental warfare via game actions
sudden lava
From the mutant menace deck, Frank Horrigan
rigid scarab
Leaving mana up is mental warfare via game actions
Is putting your land in front of the others to simulate how it would be as a token considered a game action
sleek ferry
Sure, but you can find the same exact scenarios in Yugioh
rigid scarab
Is saying "I don't have a way to win" and then winning considered a game action
sleek ferry
Is Torres keeping a swordsoul token on top of his ED despite not playing sword soul any better than any of the scenarios you listed?
I don’t think so
rigid scarab
Which is why he was suspended
sleek ferry
I would say Yugioh has more egregious misrepresentations in modern time than mtg by far
fallow citrus
okay but I could say "I don't have a way to win" and then proceed to play and then find a way to win that I didn't see before
regardless of if I'm saying it to play mind games or not
sleek ferry
This is also true
fallow citrus
yeah think so
sleek ferry
Like I said, idt saying “I can’t win” is a misrepresentation of the game state. Also why did we even ask that to begin with? Were we looking to counter a high value stax piece that would mess up our chances of winning? What did the stack look like at the time of the question? There’s a lot of ways I could have said “I can’t win” if you’re asking me questions pre the stack resolving
For all we know, the person couldn’t win, and the stack resolved in a way that was favorable for them
rigid scarab
regardless of if I'm saying it to play mind games or not
Yugioh is also trying to get around the whole 'intent' thing
sleek ferry
Every CEDH player will tell you the same thing, a lot of wins usually come off somebody else trying to win the turn prior and everybody blowing their interaction on that player
rigid scarab
They're very much trying to go against bluffing without game actions
sleek ferry
I forgot, is asking how many summons somebody has despite not having Nibiru a misrepresentation of the game state?
rigid scarab
That's an incredibly gray area
fallow citrus
Yugioh is also trying to get around the whole 'intent' thing
I know, but you wouldn't get a judge call for saying you can't win when you might be able to
and afaik yeah you can still ask that
rigid scarab
The answer in the community is almost 50/50
sleek ferry
I mean it shouldn’t be a gray area, as it should be public info, so asking it is the equivalent of asking “cards in hand?” Or looking through somebody’s gy
rigid scarab
The case for that is asking for summons pretty much literally doesn't matter outside of exactly nib
That's for me the equivalent of taking out your deckbox and putting a primal being token next to your mat mid-opponents combo
fallow citrus
I think that's a bit extreme
but also if my opponent had a nib token in their deckbox which is visible I wouldn't consider it an issue when it's a token for a commonly played card
I could flick through my hand and look like I'm thinking while my opponent is playing, now they think I have a handtrap but I'm just thinking about how to break their board
I could ask my opponent deck size when I sit down and signal I'm on a stun deck and then ftk them
hidden ermine
I have questions
copper pecan
domain tron featuring funny monke real (not clickbait)
trail anvil
March 12–15: Artisan Brawl
oh shit
trail anvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeFCC6rA9Yo
||how often does jimmy win? cause I feel like I don't see it often lol. glad to see it||
||those dragons got really out of hand||
atomic harness
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1209171049615200276/...
Real
copper pecan
it looks like thunder junction has a bonus sheet
according to leaks the theme is ||newspapers/wanted posters||
rigid scarab
according to leaks the theme is ||newspapers/wanted posters||
||Planeswalkers?||
copper pecan
||the leaks didn't specify what the mechanical theme was other than that they're reprints||
lusty trench
Feels like it’s going to be ||legendary creatures with a villain lean||
rigid scarab
Cheating as in lying or actually cheating
rigid scarab
I'm gonna say that in the moment that the guy was perfectly reasonable to lie in that scenario
lusty trench
Fell for the ol “I’m just a little goblin, I have 3 hit points, I will not drop good items” razzle dazzle
golden plover
Oh it's always totally fine to lie about stuff to your opponent
If you can bluff them into a win, it's a win
rigid scarab
But at the same time this is also a case where I just wouldn't go to a cedh tournament
lusty trench
This just in, blue player holding up 2 blue mana with a land in hand no longer allowed
golden plover
New EDH rule: You have to ask all blue players if they've got counterspell and they have to answer truthfully
It's like undercover cops
The amount of times I've impacted a play by bluffing a counterspell is a lot
rigid scarab
I think cedh tournaments do have some problems inherent to itself that makes it have less integrity than, say, 60 card
golden plover
Sometimes I'll just set a random card face down behind my hand when I've got the mana open to go "oh lemme think" like I'm gonna counter it
rigid scarab
Also a case where in casual edh, outright lying may be a normal, maybe even optimal thing to do, but it being rather unfriendly may be a factor
Like I'm not just gonna lie to a child that someone's dad brought to the table yknow
golden plover
Not like I'm gonna play it but like moving it from the "my turn" part of the hand to the "now" part of the hand
golden plover
Or in Elsha, checking the top of the deck in response to a card getting played and going "one sec"
That's a fun bluff in Elsha
rigid scarab
In casual I do have to think "Would I rather lie to get the dub or be invited back to a game"
golden plover
I mean if they're gonna get pissed off about a small lie, it's lame tbh
Usually if you lie about pointless shit, people just don't care or you just make yourself look like an ass
There's a big difference between lying and cheating
rigid scarab
A small lie that just so happened to win them the game
fallow citrus
actually amazing it took this long for the 40k cards to come to mtgo
although now you can actually play the same decks you can play irl
rigid scarab
I had a case where someone got super salty that removal got pointed at him and said that they didn't have anything in hand
golden plover
I mean, in the case of the situation, you always counterspell the silence
rigid scarab
And then they won next turn
golden plover
[[Silence]] never does fair things in cedh
lost widgetBOT
rigid scarab
I mean, in the case of the situation, you always counterspell the silence
Yes in that case in the tournament the dude was correct to lie
Bc you know
Money
golden plover
But I mean, you always respond to silence in general
rigid scarab
And competitiveness
golden plover
No one plays silence and passes the turn lmao
rigid scarab
I'm just a guy who
A. Doesn't think cedh is really that viable of a competitive format
B. Stands a bit against lying in casual
golden plover
I mean cedh isn't really a viable competitive format in general yeah
But there really isn't anything wrong with bluffing
rigid scarab
I don't wanna lose money because someone else was bad at the game
Something like that
rigid scarab
But there really isn't anything wrong with bluffing
It just feels a bit bad for me to lose games because I don't have the social skills to read through a lie
golden plover
Yeah thats sorta my issue with cedh tournaments
rigid scarab
Which is why I'm not a big fan of lying in casual
golden plover
I don't wanna be punished for some else's mistakes
rigid scarab
I think at the end of the day cedh is still edh in the sense that it's a format best to wind down on
rigid scarab
I don't wanna be punished for some else's mistakes
Yeah like in 60 card me losing was either destined to happen for my fault
I'm not gonna lose in 60 card because my opponent made a misplay
Whereas in cedh that happening is actually pretty likely
zinc shard
zinc shard
damn wish he was green
zinc shard
YOOO
sudden lava
I'm gonna just post the rest on MBT's, weekly mtg is revealing stuff on all of them
science alt commander btw
zinc shard
Every Rare and Mythic has extended art versions in collector bosoters
lusty trench
Wow that’s a really underwhelming lanius
Is that a mf portal three kingdoms reprint in universes beyond referencing planet of the apes
fallow citrus
land destruction?? in my commander precon???
lusty trench
Nah collector pack exclusive
fallow citrus
oh sure
actually would have been cool to see them push the boat out a little on that
sleek ferry
we had a precon with land destruction recently i feel like
rigid scarab
If it was it wasn't MLD
rigid scarab
actually would have been cool to see them push the boat out a little on that
If they wanted to do that they would unban balance
Do it you cowards
fallow citrus
well balance isn't just land destruction
I mean like start putting strip mines or wastelands or even ghost quarter and field of ruin into commander decks
rigid scarab
I've been hearing talks of possible banning of Farewell
Since it's as about of a hard reset as you can get without MLD
rigid scarab
Could have been choose two to be a better but more expensive austere command
But it had to get pushed
rigid scarab
golden plover
science alt commander btw
Man I wish they gave it the shorakai treatment
sudden lava
beeg squirrel
fallow citrus
Moira Brown, Survival Guide Author - 1RW
Legendary Creature - Human Citizen (Rare)
When ~ enters the battlefield, create a colorless equipment artifact token named Wasteland Survival Guide with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each quest counter on permanents you control" and Equip {1}
Whenever you attack, put a quest counter on target nonland permanent you control
2/3
Gunner Recruit - 1G
Creature - Human Mercenary (Uncommon)
Trample
~ gets +1/+1 for each aura and equipment attached to it.
When ~ dies, if it was enchanted, create a Junk token.
When ~ dies, if it was equipped, create a Junk token.
2/2
Brotherhood Outcast - 2W
Creature - Human Soldier (Uncommon)
When ~ enters the battlefield, choose one -
-
Return target (?) aura or equipment with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield
-
Put a shield counter on target creature
3/2
sudden lava
these reveals are so fun
zinc shard
sudden lava
He damages my own face
twilit canyon
anyone who uses this be careful we dont know if this is actually something u are allowed to do
sudden lava
sudden lava
sudden lava
trail anvil
nice
glad peak
wait a minute, draw a card each turn if not interacted with?
and/or just draw cards whenever untapped in the case of, say, the marwyn deck
last glen
it'll draw whenever untapped
so if you tap something the previous turn
it'll draw on untap
or if you attach it to something, then untap it that same turn, you can draw a card
sudden lava
and/or just draw cards whenever untapped in the case of, say, the marwyn deck
its once a turn at least
glad peak
finally broke seedborn muse 
last glen
me when the "This ability triggers only once each turn" ability activates multiple times in one turn
sudden lava
helps keeps your auras and equipment modifying your creatures
and a big junk dispenser
rich bronze
Cursed image
sudden lava
we're still missing cards from scrappy survivors
this showed up in the provided decklist
lusty trench
They’re revealing the lists in such an odd way
zinc shard
This is a weird interpretation of this character
lusty trench
Yeeees more cards for my boros deck
sleek ferry
Wait this is fun
glad peak
Huh I wonder how close to winota this could get or if it’ll be more of something to play in that deck
trail anvil
I think this goes in the 99, but I could be wrong
I feel like building around this would be awkward considering you'd need a 1 and 2 drop to trigger it immediately, but if you fill your deck with that then her cheating ability loses some value
sudden lava
rest of the scrappy deck art and new cards are out
hope you like doggo or preston meme, cuz you got no other commander options with just the precon
so yeah looks like doggo is my choice for commander
fallow citrus
yoo fortify
modern minnow
is magic players not being able to divide a meme or smth
clever sun
Most things revealed so far look pretty bad
I felt like the Fallout cards might have been mid in the end but I'm pretty disappointed in them anyways
This is the only good card revealed so far Imo
SFM tutor a three mana reanimate
fallow citrus
oh that is pretty good
sudden lava
twilit canyon
I felt like the Fallout cards might have been mid in the end but I'm pretty disa...
real
whole set is kinda boring too
i like elizabeth taggerdy in a subsection of winota stax i guess?
the stranger is got some potential but the rng nature of it can be awful
it does give red a good interaction point for 4 mana
honestly more excited for fallout themed reprints lol
like im replacing my og wear//tears with these
sleek ferry
I’m pretty sure, Boomer Scrapper is 1 part of an infinite combo
twilit canyon
junk tokens sac to impulse the top card of your library right?
copper pecan
ye
twilit canyon
then it can combo in the same way any other etb draw card does p much
only worse bc u cant do it under drannith
sudden lava
https://www.ign.com/slideshows/full-hail-caesar-magic-the-gathering-deck-universes-beyond-fallout slide show of the entire Caesar precon
zinc shard
twilit canyon
wait this kinda cooks
atomic harness
pretty nice
sudden lava
very menacing rats
twilit canyon
very mid rats
sudden lava
in the wrong deck though, this really should've been in the mill deck. But its fine
sudden lava
has squad so you're more likely gonna get a few more. It's pretty bad tho
sudden lava
ok the mutant stuff is cool so far
Hoping we see the alternative sultai commander soon
hidden ermine
What do rad counters do again?
rigid scarab
golden plover
Would've been nice for ballista to get out in a deck tbh
sudden lava
Radiated Storm Crow
(cuz same stats, cost, keyword, and is a bird. But it is better obviously)
Though closer to a thrummingbird in terms of effect
copper pecan
i think i would usually rather have thrummingbird tbh
also radgull is another card for the mono blue burn deck
lusty trench
Just tested massacre girl... Yeah I don't think I'm gonna be allowed to play this deck twice
Too slow for the good decks, too board wipe tribal for the casuals
Drawing 20 off a toxic deluge feels so good though
golden plover
I definitely wouldn't wanna pay 5 mana to pop every 2 mana artifact tho
sudden lava
I definitely wouldn't wanna pay 5 mana to pop every 2 mana artifact tho
it wouldnt pop every
golden plover
Still feels really bad
sudden lava
5 mana would get you one 2 CMC artifact/enchantment (or two 1 CMC) and all zero CMC artifacts/enchantments
glad peak
Card is much worse than I initially thought, first thought it was meltdown but with higher starting cost and enchantment removal
golden plover
5 mana would get you one 2 CMC artifact/enchantment (or two 1 CMC) and all zero ...
Oh wow yeah that's AWFUL then
I thought it was everything of that CMC, but if it totals to that, it's fucked
rigid scarab
golden plover
He's almost always gonna get sacced after since he's in Rakdos
Which is fitting because Oliver runs straight to the nearest bandit camp after
twilit canyon
no guarantee that he will in a game of commander tho
fallow citrus
hm seems interesting just for the legendary human part
twilit canyon
its a reprint
fallow citrus
oh lmfao
twilit canyon
[[generals enforcer]]
lost widgetBOT
Creature — Human Soldier
Legendary Humans you control have indestructible.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a creature card, create a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token.
More stubborn than Drannith's walls.
2/3
fallow citrus
golden plover
I kept tying to make that card work in standard
twilit canyon
there was not enough legendary humans tbf
golden plover
But the companions were too broken for Throne/Theros/Ikoria Orzhov Humans
twilit canyon
itd be good right now lol
golden plover
Having to compete with fires and field and Oko and whatnot just made it outright impossible
twilit canyon
cus thalia, dennick alone are good
twilit canyon
then theres adeline which it protects too
and general kudro's granddaughter shes a good card too
sudden lava
sleek ferry
This is nice
Especially since we already got some good clue token stuff in karlov manor
sudden lava
feels meh in the mutant deck tho
zinc shard
I must've missed the Fallout game with giant sloths
lusty trench
76 only
zinc shard
trail anvil
man not looking forward to staring at this thing on a table
this is a fun commander tho
sleek ferry
man not looking forward to staring at this thing on a table
It is pretty ugly
sudden lava
I feel like mothman may be a bit better
twilit canyon
we moving on from the fraudout set to the actual good set
twilit canyon
ral fursona
lumra is almost super nice
its like a balanced prime titan
mabel is also quite nice
3 mana mice lord but also drops for 2 mana give target creature +1/+1 trample vigilance haste
if boros equip takes off mabel will be a big help for the deck
hidden ermine
Whats freerunning?
Also Imma be honest
This is the first UB I dont vibe with at all
lusty trench
FATHER?
Double sided planes walkers
Might be like the origins ones
WIZARDS YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME
Fetchies
Emergy
YEEEEEES
sudden lava
Emergy <:cheems:683182129668292685>
support for the science deck 🙂
lusty trench
rich bronze
@lusty trench WHWRE
lusty trench
YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME WOTC I JUST GOT ALL THE FREE COMMANDER SPELLS
rich bronze
WHERE MOTHERFUCKER
rich bronze
Oh
twilit canyon
flare kinda crazy
lusty trench
OKO YOU BITCH
"if you commited a crime this turn"
This is going to have some funny as shit rules text clarifying commiting a crime as a mechanic
sleek ferry
Madness on Emrakul, who thought we would see the day
lusty trench
da baby
sudden lava
we know what crimes are now
sleek ferry
lotus petal was jsut the first thing to pop into my head
sudden lava
Any spell or ability that targets an opponent, or their stuff (spells, permanents, hand, library) - That is committing a 'crime.'
twilit canyon
rakdos my man
sudden lava
We've done it, targeted land destruction is now criminal
lusty trench
Of note these are in the list slot, and we're originally going to be an epilogue set, dubbed "the vault"
lusty trench
copper pecan
fursona
sleek ferry
Ngl the flavor for bloomburrow and thunder junction is going to go so hard
Even if the cards end up being mid
twilit canyon
yeah for sure
lusty trench
That's all the new reveals
twilit canyon
bloomburrow and thunderjunction are going pretty hard already
zinc shard
zinc shard
dont think I'm a fan of this card style (the one on the left)... just looks like there's too much going on if that makes sense
sleek ferry
It’s fine as an alt
lusty trench
It's an epilogue set that got shoved into the list slot after aftermaths failure
trail anvil
also daddy (literally)
fallow citrus
mh3 👀👀👀
twilit canyon
effective 6 mana 12/12 flying protection from spells and permanents cast that turn is brutal
copper pecan
does colorless have an easy way to discard this?
twilit canyon
yesnt
the one ring draw -> hit max hand size discard to hand size is a way to do it
without adding anything else
emrakul is also a huge punish to any late game discard from scam
fable -> grief -> look at hand its just emrakul
twilit canyon
fraudout 😴
look at this shit
even tho the card sucks ass this is so much cooler
fallow citrus
yooo otter
zinc shard
zinc shard
"I'll discard one card"
"But you haven't committed a crime"
Police Sirens outside
"You sure?
twilit canyon
jiff
fallow citrus
me @ my creatures
twilit canyon
real
fallow citrus
wait ezio card lmfao
hidden ermine
Hold on
sudden lava
hidden ermine
We have a western set
And we still dont have guns?
Why do they have bullet belts
twilit canyon
its gonna be some sort of energy guns it seems
zinc shard
Another Eldrazi EDH deck?
sudden lava
eldrazzi commander precon, but now with all the colors
hidden ermine
its gonna be some sort of energy guns it seems
Using bullets?
... actually I guess thats how casters work
lusty trench
Of note the regular version of creative energy is miss printed
Black instead of white symbol
lusty trench
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1210694654660706444/...
I'm gonna cry these shits are gonna cost £80 and sell out on pre order
twilit canyon
green instead of blue
lusty trench
It looks like they used graveyard overdrive the the template
And then just forgot to change it
twilit canyon
putting this here bc magali's art is some of the best in magic
and this still has some days before it ends
polar lake
wotc: "we're trying to push 60 card formats again"
also wotc: releases commander decks for a modern set
golden plover
Wow this frame is BAD
lusty trench
Idk I kinda like it
Gonna go hard in etched foil (it's not gonna get one but I can dream)
golden plover
Are these modern or commander decks?
polar lake
now i know this might be a insane probably impossible idea but like what if... and hear me out, the modern set got modern precons
lusty trench
Commander
golden plover
Weird
lusty trench
now i know this might be a insane probably impossible idea but like what if... a...
they'd bomb because ain't no way theyre putting the good shit in those
Even challenger decks only had 1 of the good shit
polar lake
wotc tried to copy pokemon tcg's 10 - 30$ challenger decks and failed
lusty trench
Yeah because Pokémon actually just gives you the deck
polar lake
and the expensive cards are the folly ones
lusty trench
"thank you for your £25, here's a top tier deck that was tier 1 about 6 months ago, it'll rotate in another 6 months but it's got the staples n shit"
Vs
"Here's a deck with 5 good cards, this reprint will lower the cost of the cards we didn't put 4 of in here by $5 if you're lucky, the rest of the deck is either filler or just the uncommon/commons the deck needs, the land base is also ass"
It's really just that Pokémon can afford to do this because it's a collector funded game
clever sun
Wow this frame is BAD
It's probably the best looking thing out of Assassin's Creed though
rigid scarab
People specifically asked for it
Who were the people asking for them and where can I find their house
I hope WOTC realises how silly it is to have the literal name be Modern Horizons and then have non modern-legal cards
fallow citrus
typical magic moment
players ask for something and get it and then complaints because people got thing
polar lake
what player asked for a MODERN set to have non-Modern legal cards
fallow citrus
¯_(ツ)_/¯
twilit canyon
the players asking for commander horizons
and making memes that mh sets are all for commander anyways
golden plover
I'm honestly kinda stunned they're making even more expensive versions of the commander precons for the modern set
rigid scarab
the players asking for commander horizons
They already have commander horizons
Every set release ever
hidden ermine
I mean, the more expensive part is a little odd
But I dont see the issue with more commander stuff, its clearly their moneymaker
twilit canyon
They already have commander horizons
u know very well that its never enough
hidden ermine
People love commander
It makes cash
At this point its kinda MTGs flagship format
rigid scarab
I guess the gripe I have is this is just about as blatant corporatism as you can get
Like there's no thematic explanation to this at all outside of money
But I also have no idea where people were asking for this
hidden ermine
Its a game
You dont need thematic explanations
People want to play with modern commander, so thats whats made
Im more iffy on the AC UB
Something about it just doesnt work
Which is weird because I like the Fallout UB and its more non-magic
clever sun
AC is very much "Who asked? Who cares?"
hidden ermine
Its not even that, the cards just feel off
I like the memory mechanic
But they just look wrong
rigid scarab
I think we're gonna get less and less excited for each subsequent UB
As it becomes more normalised
hidden ermine
Eh
golden plover
AC is more forced real world
rigid scarab
I dont know how many people are gonna say "I got into Magic because of the Lara Croft secret lair"
golden plover
Like obviously Fallout references stuff, but AC outright has characters like Leonardo DaVinci and Cleopatra
hidden ermine
I guarantee you people would be extremely excited
clever sun
Yeah 100%
rigid scarab
The justification I can see for MH commander precons is that Wizards just needed something to fill in their monthly commander precon quota