Magic the Gathering

[sudden lava]

yeah Gavin said its all of em today

https://youtu.be/UEf6TWpa5As?t=367

[rigid scarab]

Obeka

[trail anvil]

oh I guess she is cause of all those red extra turn spells

[rigid scarab]

Yeah

Do we know who's revealing the lists

[broken fjord]

Rebel is doing disguise

[rigid scarab]

Oh they're recognising cedh creators

[golden plover]

Is that Obeka?

I didn't think she's Ravnican?

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=053iZT8Lqws&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

Rare non-rachel podcast

Excuse me WHATstorm?

[twilit canyon]

gravestorm

an old mechanic

[rigid scarab]

Notable reprints

Bennie Bracks
Adrix and Nev
Chulane, Teller of Tales
Koma
Alandra, Sky Dreamer
Farewell
Finale of Revelation
Academy Manufactor

Pretty sweet reprint value, but really only a few cards that can be put in other stuff

[lusty trench]

Ain't no way they put chulane in the 99

That's crazy

[rigid scarab]

I wonder if Farewell's gonna have new art

[zinc shard]

12 is now true

There's 7

Here's 5

Holy

[rigid scarab]

This is 7

Armed with Proof just made them also a different card type

[zinc shard]

Fair

[rigid scarab]

Unless you count Equip as a keyword ability

[zinc shard]

Here's the Ransom Note art

[sudden lava]

thats 12 yep

we are here

[rigid scarab]

What if 14 is false

[zinc shard]

Some of the reprints

[rigid scarab]

Oh nvm it confirmed no new art for farewell

[rigid scarab]

I was wondering bc of mckinnon if they were gonna do new art

[sudden lava]

we already got the best alt art for farewell anyways

[zinc shard]

and while im at it here's the other Legendary

[sudden lava]

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-3b5vpig99v/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/613947/1271911/Farewell1056__81327.1698086799.jpg?c=2

[zinc shard]

She got that dog in her

[sudden lava]

doggo

[rigid scarab]

with*

[rigid scarab]

Holy shit

[lusty trench]

Why is she pogging

[rigid scarab]

When the dog does what its owner asked him

She gives him a treat (food token) and looks into what the dog found (investigate)

God I love magic flavour

[sudden lava]

Im excited for the naya one

new bear

[broken fjord]

Whenever people play Kappa Canoneer in games I watch, they always forget it sees itself enter and gets a counter

[sleek ferry]

Bro the simic deck has some really nice reprints

The people that complain about valuable reprints are in shambles rn

[broken fjord]

Not a fan of the playstyle, but it's got good stuff.

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/YtOUUpzqfXo?si=wTtwpKnpr_iKb8is

Alright time to check some off

[zinc shard]

im on it

Clash

mark off number 1

[sudden lava]

1 true

[zinc shard]

dont see anything else that matches a clue

[lusty trench]

Gonna be honest this is a disappointing one mainly because the reanimation targets seem whatever

Final word phantom seems cool

[zinc shard]

There's a good chance 3 and 8 are the lies based on the "Eye of Duskmantle" card

[lusty trench]

Reprints are solid too

[sudden lava]

these are the remaining 5 (plus 14 but 14 surely cant be false)

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1199810046691901500/image0.jpg?ex=65c3e52e&is=65b1702e&hm=680fb6a164e1b23943a0d0c7f3251afd296fc292ffa8c59759fed38d17678ceb&

[rigid scarab]

Bro can we talk about the commander precon powercreep

[zinc shard]

well. there he is

[rigid scarab]

I thought ixalan's reprints wouldn't be challenged for a good like 5 months

[twilit canyon]

its some insanely good reprints which is shocking

now all i would want is for them to reprint actual shocklands and shit in precons

fetches too

[zinc shard]

Wizards realizing more people will buy their products if they put good cards in them:

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[rigid scarab]

Shocks and fetches being in precons are like 4 years away

When wizards finds a way to powercreep them

[twilit canyon]

u cant powercreep those lands

[rigid scarab]

But if they keep this up I genuinely see them printing like

A triome

[twilit canyon]

maybe

[rigid scarab]

Oh god

The naya precon's reprinting finale of devastation isn't it

The bad news is you know LGS' are gonna be marking these up to the moon

[lusty trench]

I feel so bad for the team that had to convert this into modern magic

Final list is live in 20 mins

[rigid scarab]

Its rebell revealing it because it has cedh reprints

[zinc shard]

Dockside baby, 1 time

[twilit canyon]

good lord necromancy reprint

not the most expensive card of all time and they already had done the text rewording on it on mtgo

but its a welcome reprint

[fallow citrus]

it's already been modernised on gatherer forever right

[lusty trench]

Oh if that's the case ignore me

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/yQ8g1dWT6gU

you ready to expose the lies?

[lusty trench]

Imo new cards it's goad>clue>reanimate
And reprints it's clue>reanimate>goad

[zinc shard]

It's probably 3 and 8

we have the colorshifted card, that card that gives face down cards counters, and the legendary that cares about 2/2s

[sudden lava]

the final mysteries

[rigid scarab]

Wait Seedborn what now

[zinc shard]

YO

[rigid scarab]

JESKA'S WHO?

[sudden lava]

THE MYSTERY IS SOLVED

3 and 8 are the lies!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1199810548582330418/image.png?ex=65c3e5a6&is=65b170a6&hm=fc286985130b8787b96495d612489235ccf91c35c9194ddc78d422e84f23aa5c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=725&height=967

No new radiance, no new azra

[lusty trench]

Updated opinions, new cards it's goad>clue>reanimate>flip
And reprints it's clue>reanimate>flip>goad

I'm really underwhelmed with the flip deck but I wasn't expecting to be blown away

[rigid scarab]

All these awesome reprints are convincing me that MH3 is gonna be so strong that these are all gonna be worthlless

[sudden lava]

When 8 was remaining before the final one, I should have deduced it was false, was very suspicious

as why would they put radiance in a morph deck

also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020928983883325522/1199823339477291038/image.png?ex=65c3f18f&is=65b17c8f&hm=2fd5fac0bc6e82bfe2922fac93dea003f2dff86f1a3032b0aa46750cd02ccd70&

PUPPY

also new bear-tribal commander

[zinc shard]

so fun fact: There are no Red Bears and only 1 White Bear

and it's not a 2/2

[sudden lava]

oof

But note the new one doesnt need specifically bear type

so you can put hatebears in it

https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/mtg-card-DB/cards/a/2/a24e8dba-5c86-4e32-8a52-61402f7fe9f0.jpg

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d0f827b-ebc3-45a4-8d12-c71a14478038.jpg?1673147016

examples

[lusty trench]

I'm happy wizards are putting more reprint value in these

[sudden lava]

Im ready for fallout reveal season

[broken fjord]

I forget, but have they shown the commander cards that aren't in decks? I recall every set has a couple.

[sleek ferry]

Idk about you guys, but this is by far, the least interesting UB product they’ve ever done

To me

[trail anvil]

clue or fallout

[twilit canyon]

fallout

easily

i love fallout but this is just not a very interesting ub

though i said the same about dr who

dr who ub was insanely residentsleeper

and the art was just not magic enough for my tastes

[golden plover]

Fallout and Dr Who both clash with MTG super hard

It's really weird to see real life locations on MTG cards

[twilit canyon]

hmmm

yeah i think that might be it

final fantasy and wh40k fit way better

assassins creed will also clash super hard

[golden plover]

Assassin's Creed is gonna be super jarring

Especially when it comes with cards with real people on them

"George Washington, Spymaster" is gonna be awful

"Leonardo DaVinci, Genius Inventor" 🤮

[glad peak]

Tbh I think I’d love the real people cards if they were playable because it would be funny

[sleek ferry]

Tbf I didn’t have any expectations for dr who since I didn’t grow up with the show (American)

But found the decks and card design super interesting

[barren cairn]

I kinda want to grab the new goad deck bc it'll be the cheapest

[lusty trench]

Idk about that, the new enchantment might bring it up

[zinc shard]

My first deck I ever built was a Standard Clue deck from Shadows of Eldraine, so im partial to that mechanic

[golden plover]

Shadows of Eldraine

Damn

Built a deck from the future

[atomic harness]

my favorite set is War of the Eldraine

[twilit canyon]

eldraine beseiged my beloved

[lusty trench]

Hour of eldraine pretty poggers

[atomic harness]

Scars of Eldraine block

[sleek ferry]

Eldraine Rising pog

[waxen timber]

Eldraine Aftermath was a bit disapointing

[copper pecan]

battle for shadows over scars of the lost caverns of guilds of eldraine: aftermath rising united was my favorite set

[clever sun]

Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

[lusty trench]

New funky mode

[zinc shard]

*Shadows over Inistrad

[copper pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/sMp4hYVra5g?si=jNVqaG3Fd5aDMXDr

[sudden lava]

I found another white bear

and this one is even a 2/2

[lusty trench]

Me when I entomb emrakul then cast it

[rich bronze]

Chat

Why the fuck is the best aggro deck in pioneer 700 bucks

[sleek ferry]

Good question. Why are the most repped decks in standard worth more than the most repped games in pioneer?

[golden plover]

That's not bad for a common

[trail anvil]

happy stonks day

[barren cairn]

Man equip is so unfun to play

Play pattern goes

Search hammer of nazahn

Draw no other equips or creatures

Exile removal on hammer

Die

[sudden lava]

Who knew mushrooms were such fans of the Lux Library (My last commander game in a nutshell)

[rich bronze]

legendary land

ETB tapped, you may exile any number of lands from your hand, add that many counters

T, X: add X counters
T: add 1 for each counter, remove one counter

Would this be acceptable in modern?

[dense berry]

looks weak tbh

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/g5xg40xtrsec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d9b13f5cfa45bbc69720ab3dabbbce13300d580

I get what they were going for but this SL looks AWFUL

https://preview.redd.it/m5hf0xwtrsec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=14380cae91a24f8f0c1d3e2308ccfe104bf0e682

https://preview.redd.it/5ma9rzwtrsec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=b39828a0311ba74ff80532f3ef4ea8ef43fa1c87

https://preview.redd.it/0abbpwwtrsec1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=aedcacda4aa889b57b3ecfe0fc502bdb186e8fc6

I wish it was just the art and the frame was normal, because these would be really cool then

[lusty trench]

It's just a bit too much

Like the art in the text box, if that was gone I wouldn't mind it

[golden plover]

Yeah that's my issue too

And all the "hand drawn" symbols

[lusty trench]

Eh idm those

[golden plover]

If it was just the cool art and regular frames, I'd like them a lot

[lusty trench]

I think this is the loosest MTG has been with it's framing

Maybe the cereal box ones?

[golden plover]

Horror movie and detective novels too

And the ugly metal ones and stuff

[fallow citrus]

I think future sight is still looser than this

at least this follows normal card conventions

[golden plover]

Also this lair is con exclusive

At least all the cards are like $2 at best

[lusty trench]

I'm happier about that

Last time a con had an exclusive lair I had to console my partner about it

[golden plover]

I dunno why they keep giving the cons the ugliest lairs known to man

Wait what was the last con exclusive lair?

[lusty trench]

I think it was the cat one?

[golden plover]

Nah punk one came after that and those were awful

[lusty trench]

Dear lord

[golden plover]

Yeah this lair is ugly as hell

[fallow citrus]

what a steal

[golden plover]

Wow 10 whole packs for $10 each

And they're opened and they took all the good cards out?

[fallow citrus]

no, just the jurassic world cards

trust them

[golden plover]

Hey maybe there's a mana crypt and a playset of caverns in there

[sleek ferry]

Eh, at this point I think it’s fine. SL’s fit a certain artistic niche or a certain crossover they’re doing

I haven’t seen a legit SL that was must get since the teferi charity one

[golden plover]

I just like my cards being readable from across the table

[sudden lava]

omg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEyyKW2WQAAg6Cx?format=jpg&name=medium

Note the flavor text

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEyyMSBXoAAGiQO?format=jpg&name=medium

[lusty trench]

Does this confirm wanderer lost her spark?

Or was this known?

Either way they better give us a wanderer with partner in kamigawa 3

[golden plover]

Damn I wish this wasn't in the SL

I play Yoshimaru Cedh

[lusty trench]

My partner is crying that the deck sold out

They bought boxes just to pull yoshimaru

I'm gonna be rinsed on the secondary market just to get them it for an anniversary gift

[sudden lava]

what I could find

[lusty trench]

crazy

[rigid scarab]

I haven't seen anyone be able to read a card from across the table without picking it up

I do agree that borderline unreadable SL cards look real bad but that's more from just being an eyesore

[lusty trench]

If I pick up a card from across the table it's usually just to double check the bullshit I am witnessing

Name alone usually makes me understand

[trail anvil]

shit I love this

[stark skiff]

What the. This is nice.

[golden plover]

So suspend received a functional update to make casting optional

Stuff like [[Phtishis]] is a little better now

[lost widget]

No card found for “Phtishis”

[golden plover]

Do these look real to y'all? I'm gonna reach out to the seller but I'm thinking they're probably fake because of the collection of cards and the price

[lusty trench]

I'm gonna say they're fake because they know what they're showing is money but don't know how much which is odd

[copper pecan]

seconding jot, they'd have to be really stupid to sell this for that low of a price without at least googling how much the cards are worth

[golden plover]

Yeah I'm thinking it's fake for sure because it's weird to only have the expensive cards pictured and also not know the price

Like if there were some random commons from alpha mixed in there, maybe?

[copper pecan]

it looks like they only picked rares, but if they didn't know anything about mtg they wouldn't know that these are rares since this was before rarity symbols were a thing

which makes this very sus

[golden plover]

Imma try and ask the seller to prove they're real if possible and send more pics and some videos of them being flipped over and held up to the light

I doubt he'd let me take a look in person if he's scamming

But I'm leaning towards fake because that's like $15k in cards

[zinc shard]

Finally have a Timeless deck i cna make

[rich bronze]

Extremely fake

[golden plover]

Definitely

[rich bronze]

The nether void and bazaar for sure

I own copies of both cards

Nope that’s not it

Ask for a higher res picture and it’ll be 1000%

@golden plover that nether void is super washed out

Legends print was pretty saturated

[golden plover]

Gotcha. I asked for higher quality pics and he vanished

Dude knows they're fakes

[rich bronze]

Fuck that’s grainy

uhhh yeah basically yeah you get it the saturation is very obviously off

[rich bronze]

Of course he does he’s looking for a sucker

[golden plover]

Yup. I kinda wanna see if I can fuck with him tho

[rich bronze]

Suggest a trade with him

Actually

@golden plover offer him these foils for the cards

The shockland is worth well over the asking price he wants for those “cards”

But anyone clueless enough to offer those cards for that low wouldn’t ever know that

[rich bronze]

If he accepts then he’s 200% a scammer

As a clueless individual wouldn’t go for it

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POpI3dQw5hw

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZhNXREdff8

[gilded glade]

Y'all are missing out by not having my Emrakul bot

https://discordapp.com/oauth2/authorize?client_id=850633920012877874&scope=bot&permissions=262144

[sleek ferry]

What’s the advantage of it vs the scryfall one we have

[gilded glade]

You can use scryfall syntax

t:creature c=g power=3

It allows more than one result

It gives you the scryfall link if it's too many results

Also you can flirt with it

That's very important

[fallow citrus]

I mean we only search up exact card names anyway

[gilded glade]

Well, yeah, it's easier for commander players not having to. It's easier to do a quick search using syntax to find relevant cards, and you can add syntax if you don't remember the full name. My ADHD for example doesn't really do full names, so YGO bots are not very useful for me due to that.

[fallow citrus]

I would be very curious the amount of times that use case has come up in here though

[gilded glade]

I get that. I can say from my experience moderating an EDH server, barely anyone searches by name.

With YGO bots I usually switch to a browser, look up the card, and only then search in here in general ygo

Sorry about arguing too much, I uh, I am passionate about it

[fallow citrus]

I'm sure being able to search syntax is much more useful in an edh server but just for a specific channel the usage is just a lot lower naturally anyway, most of the times people start conversations with the card images anyway if we do talk about cards

no need to apologise, I can understand being passionate about stuff

I just think while it may be good in an EDH server where you might be looking up cards that fit a niche or something similar, it's just not really needed in this channel

but that's just me, others might think differently

[gilded glade]

Y'all do have 69000 messanges in this one channel tho, that is still quite an amount

[fallow citrus]

Mhm, it is, but how many of those are people asking for certain cards, or using the bot? I'm sure there's been a couple hundred messages if not over a thousand about just product for example

[gilded glade]

I'll leave up to y'all

I'll head back to general ygo

[clever sun]

I see no reason to switch to Emrakul over Scryfall sorry. Scryfall isn't even pinged all that much so no reason to have a redundant bot.

[golden plover]

So I know it's only a theory they cut random cards from lairs for other products to make them sell, but they 100% cut wrenn and six from that eye-themed lair for value reasons

https://preview.redd.it/48g9pymtqefc1.png?auto=webp&s=7b99d485789f5f9e79ec192b18dbd6597501385a

Promo Wrenn and Six as a prize card

Card would have been the value of the lair, so I see why they did it, but weird call

[twilit canyon]

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&extras=true&lang=any&order=name&q=t%3Asorcery+s%3Amkm+c%3Du&unique=cards

mkm doesnt has a single blue sorcery spell

[rigid scarab]

MH3 will feature 0 sorceries

[rich bronze]

MH3 will print tear into magic

[rigid scarab]

It's insane

Every single Tear card

In their full text

They're even Japanese Size!

[lusty trench]

Live dredge reaction

[rich bronze]

30th Anniversary ygo will give us Delver

The crossover no one asked for

[rigid scarab]

New TCG exclusive archetype: Rakdos Midrange!

[rich bronze]

Sheoldred will still somehow be $100

[twilit canyon]

tear decks when they have to face leyline of the void

[modern minnow]

cant wait to exile my opponents jaheira with kashtira unicorn

[rich bronze]

Rate my tear list

[zinc shard]

oh thats ok game, i dont need to know the power/toughness of their creature

[lusty trench]

Needs a kitkalos

[golden plover]

Ravnica showcase frame

https://preview.redd.it/hxn569gi7mfc1.png?auto=webp&s=be185c23071de820510b238374722616a67ed14f

4 $1 legends that aren't from Ravnica

$15 in foil

And that's all in Vilis

https://preview.redd.it/h7yrz1aqemfc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=59ed724436bbe1849f9712cc7dfbfd8e68a36292

Also like $5 worth of cards

Really knocking it out of the park with these lairs

[lusty trench]

I will be picking up that grenzo for 50p because I like how cheeky he looks

Man has got some nefarious agendas

Devious plots

Also note they didn't reduce grenzos nose in this art like they have the other goblins

[golden plover]

I do like that art but I hate the frame ngl

I wish the frame had more than the colored stripe to tell the color of the cards

They all look white from a distance

The gonti is cool too but he's like a $1 uncommon now

[lusty trench]

I still want a lair done by the person who did this

It's my favourite art in the game

[golden plover]

Honestly same

That's sick af

[lusty trench]

Look at the artists other work if you haven't they're all a treat

[golden plover]

I want more kelogsloops art in the game

[polar lake]

my lgs is doing a RCQ soon

deciding what to brew

format is standard

[zinc shard]

Oh boy Adrix and Nev!.. literally a week after its getting reprinted in the commander deck

[rigid scarab]

Wow these lairs have just been missing in value

[twilit canyon]

the cereal secret lairs are a big with ppl for some reason

[sleek ferry]

I like them

That krark and sakashima combination in the command zone for my cedh deck 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[rich bronze]

So chat, what Universes Beyond would y’all like to see? Tbh, magicXpkmn might unironically slap

if done right

but I think the odds are near 0

[twilit canyon]

want another sf lair with juri so i can build my main in edh

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMmi-fbLuzg&ab_channel=CommanderAtHome

Game Knights, TolarianCommunityCollege, and Commander at Home crossover episode

[lusty trench]

This has value thanks to sakashima and adrix and Nev will probably still retain some value, best lair I've seen so far this drop and the yargle is funny

[waxen timber]

Cause of the draft -> play booster change, prerelease at my locals has gone up $10

[golden plover]

I honestly hate the cereal ones

Works for Yargle at least

[waxen timber]

I usually play in pretty much any pre-release but, an extra $10 for practically no addition in value might make me not want to do it

[golden plover]

But it couldn't have even been MOM Yargle?

[barren cairn]

Wait

I wonder how much my prerelease for locals will cost now

[zinc shard]

anyone else having trouble logging into Arena?

"Error Updating Data: Please check your connection and try again"

[polar lake]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6155452#paper

whipped up a standard deck

[lusty trench]

Wouldn't no witnesses be better than depopulate here?

Since you don't have any multicoloured creatures

[polar lake]

oh yeah you're right

[rigid scarab]

They're like the same price

Some secret lairs aren't about cards people would consider even remotely competitive

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/100/storm-crow

Storm Crow <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird
Flying (This creature can't be blocked except by creatures with flying or reach.)
Storm crow descending, winter unending. Storm crow departing, summer is starting.
1/2

[golden plover]

They are, but MOM Yargle has better stats and a second color. This is a very commander focused lair

[copper pecan]

chief nobody is going to be playing either of them

mom yargle is better in the way that stubbing your toe is better than having your feet run over by a car

[rigid scarab]

I mean if you wanna complain about the choice of cards here

The lair has 2 cEDH all-stars

And Yargle!

[golden plover]

I mean kark/sakashima is nice. Yargle just feels like he got memed on too hard

[modern minnow]

Found the only good downshift post

[trail anvil]

is arena running really shitty for anyone else?

since that infamous update that broke everything my fps has actually just gone to shit

[twilit canyon]

not really

ive heard others say its been running pretty roughly

but i havent seen many issues besides some visual bugs

[polar lake]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6157202#paper

standard deck i would build IF i had the money to

[atomic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMp4hYVra5g

[lusty trench]

A reminder to all going to pre release today: the dice is missing the 16 and 2 faces, you use the red dice as a lens with which to view ARG elements

Another regular spin down isn't given in its place, so if the missing faces annoy you, bring your own

[golden plover]

Wait why not just include a little red lens then

That seems dumb

[trail anvil]

is it not opposite sides? I figured all opposite sides would add to 21 like a normal die

[lusty trench]

I am stupid, the prerelease die is unaffected, it’s the bundles that have the red die

[lusty trench]

Opened fire at pre release, 7 mythics (including pre release commander promo)

[barren cairn]

doing prerelease tomorrow

[lusty trench]

Got a special guest but it's sadly just a ghostly prison

It's pretty tho

Happy I got both black mythics though, gonna make a massacre girl edh deck

[barren cairn]

pog

honestly i'm hoping i pull either like

hull clade, the gruul morph guy, or ertata

also the prerelease being 35$ is cringe

[lusty trench]

Denley is a big hit

So if you get him feel good

[rigid scarab]

Mine was Tireless Tracker

[barren cairn]

i'm also down to get the gruul mole god

i want it for my zilortha deck

i want to build hull clade too lol

[sudden lava]

oh forgot about pre-release

[waxen timber]

This set is so bad. Won 1st place at my locals and got 9 packs as prizing. Looked up the values of my kit and prize packs, didn't break even

[golden plover]

Yeah unless you're getting the invisible ink cards, there's like nothing worth value here

Maybe something will end up broken in standard or pioneer, but I'm not sure

[trail anvil]

I think it's got a number of bangers in it

but most cards are probably gonna be pet cards

[barren cairn]

New record for first loss in prerelease

I lost with 30 minutes to spare

I need to dip into tricolor

[golden plover]

Tricolor is almost never worth it in draft

You've gotta have a crazy bomb

And you need good ass fixing

[lusty trench]

There's a lot of unplayables this set I don't blame them

[golden plover]

Yeah, I don't think limited for this set looks that hot

[barren cairn]

Everyone's doing ot

Got my ass kicked by two tricolor decks

And I'm down to 15 lands

Bc I kept choking on drawing lands and dying at 17

But I mean that's just me I suck

[lusty trench]

There's simply not enough playables for you to reliably dual colour

[waxen timber]

Tricolor in Sealed is a lot better than in draft

Sealed often gives you more bombs and powerful cards but, since there is no selection like in draft, your good cards are spread through colors

The selection in drafts can give you the ability to play a much more coherent gameplan but, sealed is just good stuff piles

[golden plover]

Yeah true. I don't really play sealed much, so I wouldn't know

Trying to figure out what I'd even wanna do in this draft

Testing it in forge and I got something like this

Note this is magical Christmas land because the bots drafted for synergy so I got to rare draft into 4 mythics

[[Vein Ripper]], Massacre Girl, 2 copies of the fact or thopter

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/110/vein-ripper

Vein Ripper <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Assassin
Flying
Ward—Sacrifice a creature.
Whenever a creature dies, target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
"I'm afraid your investigation has reached a dead end."
6/5

[golden plover]

And Gadgeter, the Dimir rare cases, and the Dimir surveil land

This would fuck in draft but it's not likely I'd get all of this

Actually no this sucks

There's not enough synergy

[barren cairn]

I pulled Anzrag

As well as traded for hull clade

[sudden lava]

how many slimes against humanity did you all pull?

[barren cairn]

uhh

i pulled 1

traded for 2

trying to get a deck going with slimes

going for [[Aave, Progenitor Ooze]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/148/aeve-progenitor-ooze

Aeve, Progenitor Ooze <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ooze
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. Copies become tokens.)
Aeve, Progenitor Ooze isn't legendary if it's a token.
Aeve enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it for each other Ooze you control.
2/2

[barren cairn]

plus thrumming stone

main issue ngl is how to ramp up to that mana without screwing up the amount of oozes

[lusty trench]

@golden plover new annoying to look at lair dropped

[golden plover]

Wow I HATE these

[lusty trench]

Circular logic is my favourite sorcery

[golden plover]

They're not even colored

Lmao now it doesn't even work

Sorcery Speed counterspell

[lusty trench]

Goes without saying the lair value is ass too

[golden plover]

Oh for sure

It's like all uncommons

Could they not have at least colored the borders?

I think the style is cool, but these are just really hard to read and not good choices

Wait why does wall of omens have its P/T in the typeline

Eternal Witness has it in the top corner

[twilit canyon]

these are cool as fuck

u guys are lame

[golden plover]

They're really cool art

But they're awful as game pieces

I don't like the trend of cards not having any color on the border to tell you what color the card is from a glance, makes reading the game state hard

Double Feature, the Case File treatment, and this are all had about it

But also the text is randomly all over the place and not consistent with he other cards

[lusty trench]

I really like the art too, it is just an eyesore how it's laid out

[golden plover]

All the stats that matter got moved around randomly between cards and not having a color indicator is super annoying

I also wouldn't be able to tell the eternal witness or wall of omens was a creature from a glance

[sleek ferry]

I need that scheming symmetry

[barren cairn]

Fucking man

Played Belbe today

Got fucked over and died

[trail anvil]

isn't belbe a lightning rod

6 free mana a turn kinda needs to be checked

[lusty trench]

I'd be concerned seeing belbe across the table definitely

[twilit canyon]

belbe easily very threatening levels of ramp

[barren cairn]

No the issue is

Marneus Calgar came down turn 3 off my Belbe and made short work of me

So I just switched to Rhys instead bc using Belbe Elves is a dumb idea

Because it just means your opponents marneus and sidar jibari get two extra turns to beat you to death

[trail anvil]

yeah that does sometimes happen ig lol

belbe elves sounds kinda weird to me, I figure you'd want to use all that colorless for big spells?

[barren cairn]

I mean I had ulamog and a few x spells

To supplement the elf gameplam

But I'm cutting all that for Rhys and more Elves

[trail anvil]

simic gaming

[lusty trench]

why is it so much, please wotc tell your artists no sometimes I can't focus on anything here

[golden plover]

All three being in different styles and different $200 bundles is wild

Huh you don't get it with the $200 bundle actually

You've gotta get either of the $100 bundles

[rigid scarab]

Idk this looks pretty comprehensible to me

[lusty trench]

It’s mainly that with so many small images my eye wanders and I struggle

[sleek ferry]

Huh the deadly disguise precon was $146 of reprint value alone? That’s pretty nice

[stark skiff]

jeska and seedborn will do that lol

[trail anvil]

ohran frostfang was like $7 before iirc as well

I bought one for a budget upgrade on [[vishgraz, the doomhive]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/onc/4/vishgraz-the-doomhive

Vishgraz, the Doomhive <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Insect
Menace, toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
When Vishgraz, the Doomhive enters the battlefield, create three 1/1 colorless Phyrexian Mite artifact creature tokens with toxic 1 and "This creature can't block."
Vishgraz gets +1/+1 for each poison counter your opponents have.
3/3

[sleek ferry]

Tbh I’m shocked jeska’s will shot back up to $30

It was $10ish after its reprint

Maybe lower

[zinc shard]

One of the wildest Brawl games of my life

[stark skiff]

settled at $20 not too bad

i still need to get my extended foil tho

[rich bronze]

Kuldotha feels really good rn

[atomic harness]

pog

[stark skiff]

btw which of the new commander decks are worth getting to play

[rigid scarab]

Uh they're all ridiculously good value

The reanimator deck has the most value total

But the naya deck has the biggest hit

[stark skiff]

ah i meant gameplay wise lol

[zinc shard]

Tolarian Community College said the Boros and Bant decks were the best, with Boros being better for beginners and Bant being better for more experienced players

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-february-5-2024

For anyone that missed it, Show and Tell is pre-banned in Historic

[atomic harness]

Is there a bommander that synergizes well with waste not?

[rigid scarab]

Wao renren I thought you ditched magic man game

[rich bronze]

5-2 with kuldotha today

Maaan everyone dropped it after swiftie ban

[zinc shard]

The best Discard Commanders are Tinybones or Aclazotz

or Tergrid

[polar lake]

hear me out

[rigid scarab]

Crack my treasure to equip the treasure

[zinc shard]

cant wait til we get the card that lets you use Maps as weapons

[sudden lava]

we do have one 🙂

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Dan-Lewis-Doctor-Who-Spoiler-400x559.png

[trail anvil]

here we go

[fallow citrus]

glgl

[zinc shard]

ahh right as i have to go to work

[sudden lava]

Finally got my doggo psychic paper name list written down

3 dog names, 1 fox name, and 10 wolf names

[trail anvil]

@twilit canyon holy shit landing no more lies on memory deluge is actually so nut

you were right about this card

[twilit canyon]

told ya

card is fucking nut

[copper pecan]

[[no more lies]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/221/no-more-lies

No More Lies <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays . If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
"Lies fester and flourish in shadow. Our job is to bathe them in light." —Ezrim, Agency chief

[trail anvil]

this is a cool-ass build right here

they're running [[break out]] too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/190/break-out

Break Out <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card from among them. If that card has mana value 2 or less, you may put it onto the battlefield and it gains haste until end of turn. If you didn't put the revealed card onto the battlefield this way, put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
"Hey, kiddo. Your ride's here."

[zinc shard]

dont worry everyone, we have our best boys on the job

[sudden lava]

funny enough today I just finished a list of 40 psychic paper cards (20 specifically for doggos comprising of 14 dog but mostly wolves names. And 20 for anyone else in my list who is not a dog. Yes this is for dogmeat)

[trail anvil]

that's a good hunting dog right there good boy

[sudden lava]

Among the dog list including puppers such as tome shredder, Blade-blizzard kitsune, and lightning wolf.

[sleek ferry]

[[fiendish duo]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/153/fiendish-duo

Fiendish Duo <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
First strike
If a source would deal damage to an opponent, it deals double that damage to that player instead.
Half the size, double the mayhem.
5/5

[lusty trench]

Goblin guide goes hard

Shame card is crept cause id play it

[fallow citrus]

where is it crept

[lusty trench]

I figure mono read aggro doesn't run it anymore does it?

Is mono red aggro still a thing?

[fallow citrus]

it's very much still run in burn

pretty sure if it was legal in standard mono red aggro would play it

[lusty trench]

I had heard swiftspear and ragavan replaced it, guess I heard wrong

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlHaidWhzt8&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

[fallow citrus]

don't think burn has ever wanted to play ragavan

too slow of a card and if you blitz it you need to keep paying for it

[sudden lava]

Voja and Big butt matters

[zinc shard]

[[Connect the Dot]] is putting in work

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/118/connecting-the-dots

Connecting the Dots <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Connecting the Dots: Put all cards exiled with Connecting the Dots into their owners' hands.
"How could I have missed it? The answer was right in front of me all along!"

[polar lake]

theres enough cards printed in UB that we can have a format of UB only cards

[zinc shard]

is that just mechanically unique cards or including reprints with UB art?

[polar lake]

both

[zinc shard]

7-2 Sealed deck

[stark skiff]

Fml that Guide looks awesome

[barren cairn]

trying to figure out how to build a tetzin deck

i don't know where to focus this lmao

[[Tetzin, Gnome Champion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/13/tetzin-gnome-champion-the-golden-gear-colossus

Tetzin, Gnome Champion <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Gnome
Whenever Tetzin or another double-faced artifact enters the battlefield under your control, mill three cards. You may put an artifact card from among them into your hand.
Craft with six artifacts (, Exile this artifact, Exile the six from among other permanents you control and/or cards from your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control.)
2/2

The Golden-Gear Colossus
Legendary Artifact Creature — Gnome
Vigilance, trample
Whenever The Golden-Gear Colossus enters the battlefield or attacks, transform up to one other target double-faced artifact you control. Create two 1/1 colorless Gnome artifact creature tokens.
The sum is greater than the parts.
6/6

[barren cairn]

like there's the doublefaced thing which is cool

but then there's mill and then the other side makes tokens?

[zinc shard]

Playing draft, and I think i stumbled onto something here

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/M0S0JgYGN-Q?si=Ul4WKL0kPjdUyvyf

[sudden lava]

which fallout deck do you think will be revealed in full first?

[stark skiff]

probably doggo

[zinc shard]

In the kitchen

[lusty trench]

Wanderer after being told they're too op to do anything in the lore

(tf did she even do, what was the build up from war about her even leading up to? Her slashing at Jin so he loses the power of his drippy pants?)

[golden plover]

She also killed Tamiyo

But they made her too OP, so now they just randomly send her somewhere as a punishment

[lusty trench]

She beat the nerd who did nothing? Crazyyy

[lusty trench]

She's on kamigawa, spark was nice enough to send her home

Before it ruptured I mean

[golden plover]

And now she'll never get used again

Cool character concept that did nothing in the lore, got 3 cards, and is gone

[twilit canyon]

she was capable of beating the praetors herself

cant have that so have her randomly planeswalk when she gets to new phyrexia bc they somehow knew she was going in

[golden plover]

Yeah but there's a big difference between "capable of it in theory" and actually getting to do anything

[fallow citrus]

well yeah

[golden plover]

Also, tbf a nameless soldier was capable of beating Jhin alone

[twilit canyon]

that way kaya + emperor cant solo their big villains

[fallow citrus]

you can't just make a character so strong they solo your big bad and then leave

[golden plover]

Considering a literal nobody killed Jhin by dropping a big rock on him

[twilit canyon]

also she is desparked now

the reprint of her dog said so

[golden plover]

They should have just made her a bit weaker from the start so that they wouldn't have had this issue

[twilit canyon]

she no longer has a spark and is able to hang out in kamigawa with him

[lusty trench]

Casual reminder that atraxa lost to like 5-10 Boston construction workers

[golden plover]

Oh yeah that was funny af

[rigid scarab]

Then ig the question is why make your character capable of soloing the big bad in the first place

Also archangel elspeth is right there no

[golden plover]

Wild how a praetor and the perfect phyrexian angel were both killed by random nobodies dropping big things on them

[fallow citrus]

I don't know man I don't write WOTC's stories for them

[rigid scarab]

Power of the people or something like that

[golden plover]

They really did kill off every praetor in the most underwhelming way possible tbh

[twilit canyon]

she wasnt as strong as kaya or emperor surprisingly

[fallow citrus]

presumably making her so powerful so those random appearances do make her more mysterious until she finally shows up and we learn about her

[twilit canyon]

if u had put kaya vs norn, i give it to kaya

if u put emperor vs norn, i give it to emperor

[rigid scarab]

Didn't Kaya encounter norn

And Norn went 'ah darn I can't kill her'

[twilit canyon]

yeah they realized she was trouble if it was a no-holds barred fight

so she captured her friends to force her hand

[rigid scarab]

No one in the multiverse has found a counter to ghostform

That's crazy

[golden plover]

Urabrask: Killed by Norn before the story started
Sheoldred: Executed before anything really happened
Jhin: Random Zhalfirian guy dropped a rock on him
Vorinclex: Norn tore him apart because she was losing
Norn: Got one-tapped by Elspeth, didn't even fight back

Very good use of the villains they set up for 20 years

[twilit canyon]

less a case of how they died

more a case of what they did before dying

[golden plover]

I mean they also all kinda did nothing before dying

[rigid scarab]

Jin did stuff

Well

[twilit canyon]

norn killing urabrask after his own rebellion failed makes sense

[rigid scarab]

He at least did stuff in NEO

[golden plover]

They mentioned the Red and Black rebellion against norn like twice and then did nothing with it

[twilit canyon]

sheoldred dying in spite of her being the correct praetor killed by norn's servants because she was jealous? fair

[golden plover]

Like it's on the flavor text for 2 cards and then MOM immediately started with "the rebellion is over and Sheoldred and Urabrask are dead"

[twilit canyon]

jin might be alive

[golden plover]

Jhin is confirmed not alive

They said the only one that could possibly have lived was Vorinclex

Which... Why?

[twilit canyon]

same deal with vorinclex

[golden plover]

He's the worst one to keep around

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[golden plover]

He's just a big "fight and eat them" guy

[twilit canyon]

clex getting no diffed by norn makes sense he was too simplistic in his ideology

[golden plover]

Keeping Jhin around would have at least had some potential

But I can't see them doing anything exciting with Vorinclex in the future

[rigid scarab]

A lackey for the next big bad

[golden plover]

His whole thing is that he likes eating people

There's no story there

[twilit canyon]

this is true of the others too

besides maybe shelly and maybe urabrask

and jin ofc

shelly bc she had the true scriptures as dictated by yawgmoth all along

urabrask bc his idea of how phyrexia should have been is kinda cool

in any case magic writers havent figured out how to properly write an overpowered character for the setting

teferi had to get retcons and shit done around him

kaya has had good stories when they dont involve her fighting much

[rigid scarab]

Didn't they retcon a retcon of how Yawgmoth was defeated

[twilit canyon]

no not that i am aware of

[golden plover]

I mean there's Animatou who they can literally never use in any story

Turns out a character with the power to undo any conflict and just wish everything to be perfect is kind of a bad writing concept

[sudden lava]

I checked my LGS for how much they sell commander precons, even cheaper then Amazon hell yeah.

[rigid scarab]

Like the retcon was that the fight was retconned

[golden plover]

The whole team up was really dumb ngl

[copper pecan]

yeah they retconned the reveal of yawgmoth surviving apocalypse as karona halucinating

[golden plover]

They could have fully resolved the plot in ONE if every single planeswalker didn't magical become an idiot when the plot required it

[copper pecan]

because it would have been really stupid for them to have had everyone in the weatherlight saga die for basically nothing

[sudden lava]

the wanderer yoshimaru art is so cute

[twilit canyon]

ah that

[sudden lava]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF0kcHAaYAIBVpM.jpg

[twilit canyon]

yes they ensured he didnt survive

[golden plover]

Nissa just randomly following Lukka alone? Nahiri forgetting she's compleated for a bit? Jace deciding to change everything last second?

[twilit canyon]

all these problems solved in wanderer was there

[golden plover]

Kaya going "Oh well I guess we lost, time to stop trying at all and get kidnapped"

Or if the characters didn't immediately decide to do the dumbest possible option at every turn

But then we wouldn't have gotten MOM

If literally anyone in ONE acted normal, the plot would have been resolved in 5 minutes

[twilit canyon]

im fine with jace doing the stupid thing and trying to save vraska

his brain working the way it did when compleated was also fine

[golden plover]

Nissa's and Kaya's were way more blatant than Jace's

[twilit canyon]

yeah

[golden plover]

Nissa had NO REASON to chase after Lukka

[lusty trench]

Jace being stupid is 99% of modern magic lore

[golden plover]

Like girl you knew he was dead, what were you doing

[twilit canyon]

nissa is also stupid af

[rigid scarab]

Actually

[twilit canyon]

reminder: she freed the eldrazi more or less

[rigid scarab]

Can we name every single smart character in MTG lore

[golden plover]

Tbf she outright said to him like 30 seconds before that "hey if you do the dumb thing, I won't follow you"

[twilit canyon]

because "what if they just leave us alone?"

[golden plover]

And then she did follow him

[lusty trench]

Nissa "I would be racist but I'm no longer allowed" Revane

[twilit canyon]

ugin

[rigid scarab]

And we're done!

[golden plover]

I do like that at least a chapter later Nahiri remembered how to be competent and blew up Sheoldred's arena

[twilit canyon]

nahiri jobbed so hard too

[golden plover]

Didn't excuse her forgetting she was compleated for 3 chapters, but it was at least something

[twilit canyon]

centuries old planeswalker. an original one too

[golden plover]

I remember everyone thinking nahiri had control over her compleation because she just ignored it for 3 chapters

It totally made sense too

[twilit canyon]

"hm this planet made of stone and metal... ah surely, ill just be okay getting compleated."

[golden plover]

And then they went "oh actually she's dying"

[twilit canyon]

also why did they not go after sorin for help

i know they said something about it

[lusty trench]

He's too busy

[twilit canyon]

but in the list of planeswalkers id want with me in a plane like phyrexia, the vampire that can probably at least try and remove the oil from my blood is most likely one of them

[lusty trench]

Brooding

(he's still mourning avacyn and refuses to do anything iirc)

[twilit canyon]

ah right he was part of the support squad to help the other planes in case the original team failed

[golden plover]

Can't Narset literally see the future?

Why doesn't she get to get used

[twilit canyon]

"in case we lose"

why even plan for a loss

[golden plover]

Or... Just ask Narset

Iirc the only time she was wrong on the future predictions was when they split the timeline

[twilit canyon]

get narset, sarkhan, sorin

ask for ugin's help since jace knows ugin is alive

[golden plover]

Just go "hey Narset, do we lose"

And she'll go "yeah, here's how it happens"

And plan around that

There's probably caps on how Narset 's powers work

But I can't remember any

[twilit canyon]

she needed a ton of concentration i guess?

in any case they also could have tried something like building a new reality chip to have wanderer stick around too

[golden plover]

Then make the plan more than 3 days out

Just give her some time

[twilit canyon]

would have been more believable then that the phyrexians were actually much closer to using the invasion tree too

cus in the story it felt like such an ass pull that it was suddenly done

[lusty trench]

The planes probably would've done the job themselves tbh

[twilit canyon]

that too

could have let them invade

lost nobody to the strike force

and buffed up every other world before doing the whole wrenn ploy

[golden plover]

Yeah I just checked the wiki and it's very unclear about how Narset's future vision works or if she even has it anymore

[lusty trench]

New capenna firing god meth at the phyrexians out of Tommy guns

[golden plover]

I guess that's just another thing the writers forgot about

[twilit canyon]

could have used that to explain atraxa losing

but no it was building falls on her

[trail anvil]

that's still so weird to me

[lusty trench]

Damn my potential meme is doing numbers on the subreddit

[stark skiff]

Haven’t shown some buys in a while. Some foil pick ups (and confetti foil lol) @rigid scarab @atomic harness

[trail anvil]

that skullclamp art is so nice

[stark skiff]

yeah that drop had really nice art

also a bit mad no store around me has a confetti rhystic study

so i have to buy one online eventually meh

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x52FhNG0dY

||Oof this was brutal||

[golden plover]

This is just simply not the set

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon what do you think about Golgari in standard rn? I got infinite combo'd 3 times on the ladder

idk how real it is though

but the surveil 1 black card is kinda crazy...

[lusty trench]

Me when the highest value card is a niche edh card

[twilit canyon]

dece

[rigid scarab]

I hope this doesn't put slander towards Play Boosters as a concept, since I do believe it's a superior model for LGSs than splitting it between Set and Draft. Karlov Manor is just a horribly low value set on its own

[lusty trench]

I think he hit it on the head when he said these packs are absolutely not worth the price tag

£140 for a nerfed set booster box

[golden plover]

Not just that. The highest treatment (usually $100 for some of the rarer styles) is only $40

Of course this isn't accounting for the 7 serialized Lazavs (really weird choice, why was he the only one in the set and why 7?)

Because I don't think any have sold yet. But Invisible Ink Deleny is only $40

[lusty trench]

That's cause it's just foil again but with some funky text or symbols if you tilt it

[golden plover]

Yup. That and people generally didn't like the dossier style

Which fair, considering it's really hard to tell the card color

[lusty trench]

Ugh I want to build massacre girl edh but it feels like one of those "too boardwipe heavy for casual, too slow and fragile for competitive" type decks

[golden plover]

If only casual players wouldn't complain about everything

[lusty trench]

Me pulling out eldrazi tribal expecting to be archenemy'd despite the fact there are like 4 good eldrazi and the deck is fragile as shit

I do nothing until like turn 8 the selesnya player has a hoof winnable board leave me alone

[golden plover]

Throwback to the time I played a "high power" pod at a store I've never been to and got archenemied for roghark/Yoshimaru

The rest of the pod was 4c Omnath, Marwyn, and Evelyn

I was not the threat

Obviously 4c Omnath took the game, but Marwyn kept wasting what little removal they had on my equipment

[lusty trench]

I'm making a Boros combat matters deck just to try and power down but damn it feels bad sometimes to sit down with a deck and immediately watch the other players faces drain

[golden plover]

I feel that

I love playing Stax

But I can never play stax against randos because they'll bitch the whole time

And so then I switch to combo and hear "well you win too fast"

Or switch to combat and become the archenemy because I'm actually attacking every turn

[lusty trench]

I play eriette and people get mad at me for rule of lawing them sometimes and the combo players keep trying to convince the others to kill it like bruh I am helping you establish a board to do things before you get combo'd on calm down

[golden plover]

There's no winning with randoms

If you don't wanna play open mic magic

[rigid scarab]

I think a problem is that a lot of players won't assess stuff as threats unless it's physically on the board

That's how a lot of combo players get to sneak in wins from "out of nowhere"

Despite them drawing 5 every turn

That's partly a problem cedh solves since

You pretty much have to assume that your opponents win from hand next turn

[golden plover]

Yeah combo has unassuming boards a lot of the time

"Oh I've just got a grand abolisher and my commander out"

And then "oh storm count 300, brain freeze the table"

[rigid scarab]

I know there are always some games where they just have thoracle consult in their hand

And and that point its just

arright

[modern minnow]

idk why people hate rol in casual like dont u just cast ur one timmy spell every turn

[rigid scarab]

Rol?

[modern minnow]

rule of law

[rigid scarab]

Ah

[lusty trench]

Pretty much, people hate it because it can make you waste active mana but like, small price to pay to stop the combo player

[rigid scarab]

I mean that's assuming Rule of Law is played late game

Rule of Law stuffing out early game ramp?

I can see why your average casual player wouldn't like it

Remember most casual players play pretty much strictly EDH

[lusty trench]

It also stops cascade

And suspend

[modern minnow]

oh yeah that makes sense

[rigid scarab]

Most people playing MTG do see it as that cool tabletop game they can kick back and relax to

I know that's how my brother sees it at least

As well as lots of people in his army group

And if we equate their vision of EDH to classic tabletop

Classic tabletop tends to frown upon stuff that prevents game actions

So a card that only limits you to one spell a turn?

I can see that being frustrating

[polar lake]

do i have a deck naming problem?

[rigid scarab]

You sure do

Surely you could've come up with a more creative name than "Boros Bitches"

[sudden lava]

Maybe I could play Arena for slimes against humanity?

[polar lake]

and Jeskai Bitch?

[zinc shard]

... huh?

[copper pecan]

r&d doesn't like -1/-1 counters a whole lot but i wouldn't call them a failed mechanic

they were in the latest set

and were originally going to play a much larger role than just one card

the entire suspect mechanic was originally going to be "you can have this enter the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it in order to gain some kind of advantage"

[lusty trench]

Me looking at the amount of -1/-1 counters for massacre girl was depressing

Most of it was in amonkhet, and most of those cards suck ass

[golden plover]

They consider -1/-1 an issue because it's annoying to track

[sudden lava]

nearly a week till reveals

[golden plover]

But still did dungeons and initiative

I think the issue is -1/-1 and +1/+1 interaction

[barren cairn]

Honestly my buddy uses a -1/-1 deck that's actually massively annoying lol

[golden plover]

But they're considered a failure because they're too tedious to keep track of

[sudden lava]

Im excited to see what the scrappy survivor deck has the most

[lusty trench]

I think the best -1-1 card in commander is like... Archfiend of ifnir?

In black I mean

[golden plover]

Isn't it [[Hapatra]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Hapatra”, can you be more specific?

[golden plover]

[[Hapatra, Vizier of Poison]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/199/hapatra-vizier-of-poisons

Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons deals combat damage to a player, you may put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
Whenever you put one or more -1/-1 counters on a creature, create a 1/1 green Snake creature token with deathtouch.
Her subtle smile is suffused with venom.
2/2

[barren cairn]

Hapatra is the snake commander right

Yeah it's this one

[golden plover]

She's a human

[barren cairn]

My buddy runs this

It's incredibly annoying lol

[lusty trench]

She's like... Fine? But she does nothing on her own and provides such small value imo

Especially considering you gotta run some garbage to make her work

[golden plover]

There's also infect

Which got turned into toxic because -1/-1 counters and buffing it

[barren cairn]

I wonder if they'll ever revisit wither

[golden plover]

Probably not

[lusty trench]

They just did didn't they?

With massacre girl?

[barren cairn]

Oh right

They're doing that as a one off thing for old mechanics

[lusty trench]

Unironically she single handedly fixes a lot of problems with deck

[golden plover]

Small things like that don't necessarily count

[lusty trench]

She generates advantage, she makes sure all creatures are relevant to the theme

Only downside is the massive list of duds you got to use with her

[golden plover]

1-offs like that don't affect a set tbh

I'm glad they're doing one-offs with mechanics tho

It's really nice

Like the Ixalan card that gives instants rebound

[lusty trench]

Me watching blowfly infestation not go infinite with nest of scarabs (this is the dumbest thing and I hate it, the deck needs something wotc please)

[barren cairn]

Honestly idk what they revisit next anyways

[lusty trench]

Actually wait I might be dumb as long as you have 2 scarabs it should be fine

[golden plover]

I want them to revisit storm please

Storm in standard

And pioneer

[sudden lava]

I might put bigger on the inside into scrappy survivors, but not sure if I should (gotta see rest of the deck list)

[rigid scarab]

I just got word of mouth that said that most people actually loved the MOM lore?

[lusty trench]

AFTERMATH ROUND TWO BAYBEE LETS GO

[golden plover]

What set is this for? AC right?

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[golden plover]

Gross

[lusty trench]

Should be fine tbh if it's just for universe beyond stuff

[golden plover]

AC already was a stretch, so making it aftermath boosters is wild

First set to sell negative one assassinmillion packs

[lusty trench]

As an aside thunder junction was going to have an aftermath type set after it

But they just kinda shoved it into the list, cut the regular list size down, and are shipping it like that

So best hope there are no new staples in that small subset set or you're fucked!

[golden plover]

They have a different set symbol and are much rarer on the list

[rigid scarab]

And also for the apparent 2 LOTR-sized UB sets they're gonna be releasing starting 2025

[golden plover]

Oh fun...

Do we lose a standard set or the other set?

Going full fortnite lmao

[lusty trench]

Pov they print a new commander staple in this sub set so it now costs one sheoldrillion dollars

[rigid scarab]

UB is basically a money printer

[golden plover]

I mean yeah, but it does kinda suck that the game is becoming more and more crossovers

[rigid scarab]

And you know that since it's modern legal

They're incentivised to make the cards really freaking good

What are the top 2 cards in Modern rn

[golden plover]

Isn't it Bowmasters and your choice of Horizons card/One Ring

[rigid scarab]

Pretty much

Literally I think I would have absolutely no problem with UB if it was just for commander and legacy

Bc those formats should be used to this kind of wacky stuff

But ig WOTC is now lumping Modern in the 'wacky' format list

[golden plover]

I still think UB should have been opt out by default and opt in like silver border

But yeah, it's gonna come into more and more formats tbh

Also do we know the price for the beyond boosters?

[rigid scarab]

I think silver border would be too much of a financial handicap

Remember that UB is strictly for corporate greed

I get that UB sets do actually print a ton of really cool and flavourful cards

But it's built upon blatant corporate greed

[golden plover]

Oh it's fully corporate greed

If you look at posts from MaRo and Gavin like 5 years ago they say "oh we wouldn't want crossovers, messes with the perception of the game"

But then hasbro execs went "make it the fortnite of tcgs" and now we're getting UB sets 2-3 times a year now

[rigid scarab]

I get that the cards are actually flavourfully accurate

Which hey

Points for that

And if someone gets invested into the game because MTG did an IP they enjoyed

Can't blame them

[golden plover]

I just wish the themes also weren't so far divorced from MTG

Like it's whatever for Warhammer and LoTR, they fit

But stuff like Dr Who and Assassin's Creed doesn't fit MTG at all

Fallout, Stranger Things, and Walking Dead definitely don't fit either

[lusty trench]

Iirc DND makes sense because the forgotten realms are a part of the magic universe, just cut off from planeswalking

[rigid scarab]

Also little tidbit

WOTC was fully into Aftermath sets

They had one ready for Thunder Junction and Assassin's Creed

And then Aftermath came out

[hidden ermine]

I mean I would slightly contest Dr. Who

Dr. Who only doesnt fit because its sci fi, but thematically its a pretty good fit

[sleek ferry]

aftermath came off as more corporate greed than any UB set

calling it a "set" is being generous

[golden plover]

I mean aftermath was a different type of corporate greed

[rigid scarab]

"If we play it right, it's like we released the same set twice!"

[golden plover]

Both are really bad about it. But aftermath could have been a one and done attempt tbh

[rigid scarab]

Well WOTC already had Thunder Junction Aftermath ready

[golden plover]

UB has completely changed the way the game is gonna be forever now

[rigid scarab]

And then scrapped it

[golden plover]

And the way they "fixed" it is fucked up

[sleek ferry]

I personally have never had a single issue with UB sets. there's a reason why that one guy from the commander's quarters got a bunch of hate for crying about Walking Dead cards, the hate for it is stupid

[hidden ermine]

Aftermath sets just conceptually dont make sense

Theyre like shit versions of YGOs deckbuild packs

[golden plover]

I think the issue is just that UB is very corporate greed. Sure the designs are good, but there wasn't really much of a reason other than greed

[rigid scarab]

Sure the basis is very greedy

But it being greedy doesn't stop there from being cool cards

[golden plover]

The execution is always fine to good, but it's very much a greedy move from the start

[rigid scarab]

You could say that like

Smash is corporate greed

[golden plover]

Here's hoping none of the cards in Thunder Junction Aftermath are staples

[sleek ferry]

every company/business/corporation and news flash non-for-profit organization is greedy, at the very least these UB cards seem to genuinely be given the love that their worlds demands of them

[golden plover]

Smash was approached as a crossover fighter from the start. Not 20 years later tho

[rigid scarab]

It's like

You can talk about the concept of UB

But are you really gonna attack the people who enjoy them

The only thing I kinda have a problem with is Modern

Given that UB is directly affecting competitive playability

[golden plover]

I mean, I'm happy people can get cards for franchises they like

I just kinda wish they were either their own format or at the very least not competitive legal

[rigid scarab]

Like I personally would never put proxies into my non-cedh decks

But I'd be stupid to not be fine with other people using them

[golden plover]

I'm not gonna stop anyone from using a UB card tbh. I just kinda wish they all at least had in-universe skins

[hidden ermine]

I mean my take is

MTG was always riffing on things from other media

[golden plover]

Feels weird playing an advertisement for another thing at the table

[hidden ermine]

Giving it an official skin instead of being legally distinct X doesnt change much to me

[copper pecan]

my take is i just want to be able to look up what a product is without seeing people constantly complain about it

[hidden ermine]

Like King Kong wouldnt have been significantly different from whatever the Ikoria card was called

[rigid scarab]

Universes Within feels like

Oddly patronizing

[copper pecan]

the flavor of the game is not anywhere close to the main appeal of it to me so as long as they still reprint cards i don't care if it's crossover or not

[rigid scarab]

Like "OK timmy I made the nuggets dinosaur shaped juuuust for you"

[sleek ferry]

also yeah

[hidden ermine]

Especially given that the flavour is like often just

"X but magicfied"