Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

if u are at a spot to resolve it

[trail anvil]

idk how to value this card, I think its value grows a ton with more gy synergies but FoF with an ambush blocker sounds nice

your opponent choosing the pile makes it different, but I'm sure there are a ton of good ways to do piles as always

I feel like 90% of the time you're doing a 3/2 split, although you can't really dig for board wipes with this which seems like a glaring issue for me in a standard meta this fast

[twilit canyon]

forcing their hand in tough situations is great

making a 2/2 or 3/3 is a pretty nice deal though

at least in neutral situations

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Private-Eye.jpg

[trail anvil]

the more I think about this card the better it is, the fact that the body is flying is so valuable

I still feel like you run it alongside deluge for purposefully dumping

seems like a snowball card more than an advantage one though

[twilit canyon]

its raw advantage with the option to end games or stablize

[trail anvil]

I'm still not buying that this can stabilize super well unless you hit 2 pieces, but idk maybe I'm just traumatized by having my chump blockers removed by all the removal in the format

[twilit canyon]

sure but if they had it all to have removal + enough attackers to get past a 5/5 then u were likely screwed regardless

[trail anvil]

well I'm more worried that if you do the 5/0 option that they could let you add the 5 to hand and swing for game

the risk factor problem

if you can stabilize with a 5/5 that's something, but I feel like I see a ton of go-wide boards

this is interesting

[twilit canyon]

sure but at that point u shouldnt be casting this card in that situation

ie: if they are only attacking with a raffine as a 2/4 is a great time to flip this card

make them choose do you get 5 cards in hand or do they give up raffine

[golden plover]

Morph and Manifest in the same draft is actually gonna be really weird ngl

[copper pecan]

it worked fine the last time they did it

[golden plover]

When was it?

It's been a while since they've been in the same set iirc

[copper pecan]

fate reforged had manifest in it and was designed to be drafted with khans which had morph

[golden plover]

Oh right

It worked alright there yeah

It's just a little fucky when both are in the same draft

[sudden lava]

wait, this is an ooze?

[twilit canyon]

do u know who vannifar is

[stark skiff]

No

[sudden lava]

I dont

[copper pecan]

she's part jellyfish because of gene splicing

[sudden lava]

ah

[zinc shard]

Wow I'm really surprised they put that ability on an uncommon'

[broken fjord]

Seems like a decent end point for Eloise, Nephalia Sleuth. That and Lich Knight's Conquest can probably kill someone late game.

[trail anvil]

it is 6 mana

sounds like a funny kill tho

[broken fjord]

Yeah, but mid to lower power decks can fit it in.

[lusty trench]

Strangest design I've ever seen

[trail anvil]

damn he THICC

arcades who

[rigid scarab]

Arcades if it was a cool deck

[glad peak]

Huh you can stack its ability into itself multiple times to draw multiplicatively more cards

(Of course the win con is lab man or thoracle)

[golden plover]

Wait so he can swing to draw 15 cards? Wack

[hidden ermine]

Well it has to connect first

[golden plover]

True, it's probably not good, but it's cool

If you somehow manage to draft it and Deleny and have the mana, you've got a sick draft tho

[lusty trench]

Arcadies is salivating at it

[golden plover]

Oh for sure

It's a 15/15 that draws 15 cards there

Delney does make it unblockable tho

But that's a 2 mythic draft in 3 colors

[lusty trench]

You'd have to pump it after blockers declared too but not a big deal

[glad peak]

It itself can’t attack due to defender without support

[golden plover]

Oh shit can't live the dream in sealed then

[sudden lava]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/WmjEf_vksVOK6aQa1UX8g4xPsTc-HbjdOB32QlyocYs/https/www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Drag-the-Canal-400x559.jpg?format=webp&width=692&height=967

bear detective

[lusty trench]

?

[sudden lava]

its a 2 mana 2/2. On another note, this is a pretty good card

[lusty trench]

Oh I forgot that vanilla 2/2s for 2 are called bears

[sudden lava]

doesnt have to be vanilla to be a bear, but yeah 2 mana 2/2s

[golden plover]

That's a pretty decent card for limited

It's not a bomb or anything, but it's a huge tempo swing after combat

If nothing else, it's a 2/2 blocker with flash

[twilit canyon]

thats a rare 2 mana 2/2 flasher

very much just okay

should be a decent role player

[golden plover]

Worst case scenario you trade with a morph with it

Best case scenario you do that after combat and gain life, surveil, and make a clue token

I dunno about the current standard, but it'd probably be playable there too in the right deck

https://preview.redd.it/zx6jyogjj8dc1.png?auto=webp&s=3564e84b7f3accccbabc2a7c367e6996deccec8e

Oh this is nice for limited

Sorta breaks the rule of 5 in a cute way

[polar lake]

i realize i might be over my head trying to draw an entire commander deck

[lusty trench]

A lot of people are calling the alt art for intrude on the mind at least partially ai genned due to the hands, but I don’t think it is, the artist portfolio for the guy is extensive and shows his awkwardness with hands, usually opting to obscure or use simple poses for finger positioning

It just sucks that there’s always going to be a level of doubt whenever a piece comes out looking awkward

[glad peak]

Tbh I think the hand looks fine

A bit longer than usual sure but perspective is weird

[lusty trench]

I think it’s also the lighting, it’s got that glow that a lot of ai art has, but that’s just a result of the style being similar to what a lot of ai rips off

[glad peak]

Oh wait you specified alt art I was judging off the regular

I was gonna say the hand looks great on the art lol

Eh the hand on the alt art looks fine, it’s also an awkward pose and expecting the lighting to be like that because it’ll look like a blob otherwise

[golden plover]

The hands are kinda fucky on the alt art

But I dunno if it's ai fucky since hands are just hard to paint

[trail anvil]

oh hey it's bomat courier

[twilit canyon]

slowest bomat known to man

might still see play since its not bad

[trail anvil]

fwiw it stacks cards up faster if you can swing with multiple creatures

being an enchantment means it survives through a lot of removal too

[zinc shard]

Strictly better Evolving Wilds at common

[rigid scarab]

Evolving Wilds stocks drop to 1 Evolvillion dollars

[last glen]

[[Evolving Wilds]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/328/evolving-wilds

Evolving Wilds

Land
, Sacrifice Evolving Wilds: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
The Sun Empire bends nature— rivers, mountainsides, dinosaurs— to its unyielding will.

[trail anvil]

I like how he only takes action after a clue is cracked, nice flavor

[trail anvil]

mtg ep 10 story spoiler ||well they wrapped that story up but kinda surprised to see no actual rakdos or jace involvement considering the arg?||

[twilit canyon]

arg isnt done

[trail anvil]

I imagine, but the story seems wrapped up to me?

[twilit canyon]

there is still more to come iirc

[fallow citrus]

man I wish freemagic would stop appearing on my reddit

think i forgot to mute the sub last time so I'm droppin that shit

[trail anvil]

wait you can just straight up sneak any card in as a morphed creature

that's hilarious

[trail anvil]

praying this sub gets banned

[hidden ermine]

Hah

[twilit canyon]

lol

this is actually kinda decent too

2 mana 2/2 haster that can kill itself to draw a card for 2 mana if the attack isnt optimal

though idt theres room for it in mono red rn

[trail anvil]

only place I could see it is a freshly rotated standard, I think this just isn't worth it vs something like feldon

[copper pecan]

maybe when reinforced ronin rotates out

[barren cairn]

i don't know why i thought powerstones sacked themselves

[sleek ferry]

Red herring sounds kinda fire in draft though

[trail anvil]

this looks fun as hell

[golden plover]

That can copy lands

Not sure how relevant that is

I guess in edh you can copy a cradle like 5 times or something

[trail anvil]

oh shit they don't have to be different targets that's even more hilarious lmao

it's like mass manipulation without all the salt

[golden plover]

I can't see it being that good outside of Edh tho

Like it's just too slow in anywhere else

[zinc shard]

maybe could see play with [[Hinata, Sun Crowned]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/222/hinata-dawn-crowned

Hinata, Dawn-Crowned <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Kirin Spirit
Flying, trample
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each target.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast for each target.
Hope races on sunlit hooves.
4/4

[trail anvil]

oh I don't think it's a meta card at all lmao

but I just think it's hilarious

[golden plover]

I mean if you can pump 25 mana into it you can make 25 tokens

[stark skiff]

gang gang shit

[sleek ferry]

I don’t get it, does disguise mean it can flip itself over again at instant speed to avoid any targeting spells on it?

[golden plover]

Nope

It's just morph but with ward 2

[sleek ferry]

So hypothetically speaking I can disguise for 1 red mana if I have 5 instant and sorceries in the graveyard right?

But then wouldn’t they know off the 1 red mana I paid that it’s codebreaker?

[sudden lava]

You pay 3 of any mana to put it facedown as a 2/2 with ward 2

Then at any time you can pay the 1 red mana (assuming you got like 5 instants in the graveyard) to flip it up

[sleek ferry]

Ah okay, reading the card explain the card, I got it

[sudden lava]

basically the disguise cost is ripping off the disguise showing it was in fact fugitive codebreaker (or whatever) in disguise all along

and the paying 3 mana to put it facedown is buying the disguise protecting it from being picked out easily (making it a 2/2 with ward 2)

[dense berry]

0% chance this doesn't go into the peasant cube

[trail anvil]

this feels like a nice simic counterspell as a baseline with the potential to make something enormous

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/mkm-essence-of-antiquity-v0-0yc208d2wcdc1.png?s=bc39747204cdde3e7ca3c2e3963a7ac18566bc04

protection with a big butt

[trail anvil]

3G

Creature- Centaur citizen

Disguise 5GG

When Greenbelt Radical is turned face up, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control. All creatures you control gain trample until end of turn.

[sleek ferry]

I really like that simic counterspell

[fallow citrus]

Pompous Showoff - 2G

Creature - Human Citizen

Pompous Showoff has hexproof as long as it’s your turn

Pompous Showoff cannot be blocked by creatures without names. (Cloaked/Disguised creatures I assume)

Case of the Burning Mask - 1RR

Enchantment - Case (Uncommon)

When ~ enters the battlefield, it deals 3 damage to target creature an opponent controls.

To Solve - Three or more sources you control dealt damage this turn. (If unsolved, solve at the beginning of your end step.)

Solved - Sacrifice this Case: Exile the top three cards of your library. Coose one of them. You may play that card this turn

[subtle sierra]

burger

[lusty trench]

Limited bomb

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/pnfdapol8fdc1.png?auto=webp&s=8f86e3de0ad07f8a4a26d9169438624edb946261

Fucked up common

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

Closest comparison is probably [[Nature's Claim]] but this is a LOT better

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/177/natures-claim

Nature's Claim <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Destroy target artifact or enchantment. Its controller gains 4 life.
"The timeless, tireless jaws of nature shall one day devour us all." —Sildark, artificer of Omu

[golden plover]

You lose out on instant speed and picking the target, but you don't give them life and it's a sacrifice effect

This hits the one ring, claim doesn't

[lusty trench]

Okay so I'm gonna post a German card and put it's text below it

Just read it's name

Collect evidence 6: ~ becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.

Whenever ~ attacks, you can cast an instant or sorcery spell among the cards exiled with it. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, put it at the bottom of its owner’s library instead.

Crew 2

[golden plover]

Ehh seems kinda weak for a mythic

Fun card tho

[lusty trench]

German name makes it funny tho

[golden plover]

True

[golden plover]

But it really does feel like a rare ngl

[lusty trench]

Tbh you could say that about a fair amount of mythics this set

[golden plover]

This one also feels kinda bad at rare

Yeah a lot of things in this set feel one rarity too high

[golden plover]

Like this doesn't reanimate. It's probably fine at uncommon

I know it usually kills a thing on etb, but we've had drafts with lightning strike in them recently

2 colors for lightning strike that sometimes gets you a creature back is decidely uncommon imo

[lusty trench]

Set feels underwhelming so far as an edh player but it's at least got some interesting designs

But sets not fully out yet so spice may be inbound

[glad peak]

Set seems fine, a lot more complex than expected

[fallow citrus]

man this is kinda fucked up

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-commander-deck-raining-cats-and-dogs

[glad peak]

I like the vehicle in a janky variant of murktide but definitely not strong enough

[golden plover]

Decklist for the new SL

As expected, not much in the way of reprints and the manabase is BAD

Jungle Shrine, really?

We can't get a single triome in the $125 deck?

[fallow citrus]

ok so I like the rin and seri art

and the cat/dog token is cute

[golden plover]

Yeah, I like the arts in the list a lot

And anointed procession is a good reprint

But the actual list is not really worth $125

You'd think they'd be a little more willing to put 1-2 more good cards in SL commander decks

[lusty trench]

Jetmirs garden is in the deck

[golden plover]

Oh wait apparently Jetmir's Garden is in the deck at least

It's just listed under the "other" category and not lands

[lusty trench]

$150

[golden plover]

Wait did it go up again?

Coin Flip was $100 but it came with the "coin"

[lusty trench]

It's always been $150 since they started printing them in advance

[golden plover]

Double Sided cards and Angels were $125 I thought

[lusty trench]

Nope

150

[golden plover]

Overall list is like playable at an lgs out the box and they did make all the lands match for once

But for $150, you're not getting a great deck

I think coin flip was the best out of the box

But this one is better than 5c

They did still do the stupid 50/50 foil thing

Except one side of all the double sided cards is foil, but the other isn't

[lusty trench]

Sick bastards put warp world in it

[golden plover]

What a waste of a slot lmao

At least it's a funny card

[lusty trench]

That shit is never resolving

[golden plover]

It's an 8 mana sorcery that doesn't win the game, it's definitely not happening

[lusty trench]

I would pact of negation that without the lands to pay for it purely so I don't have to bother

[golden plover]

Yeah warp world is really annoying

Kinda goes against the whole token theme too

[lusty trench]

Oh shit ranger Captain of eos is on the list this set

[sleek ferry]

wait, ranger captain of eos is like 1/3rd of the price of the deck no?

[golden plover]

The list for the new set, not the SL

[sleek ferry]

ah

[golden plover]

Eos would be too nice for the $150 deck

[trail anvil]

idk this seems pretty potent to me

a 4/4 creature each turn and you get to wring your graveyard dry with advantage

the bigger problem is needing to exile 6 cmc I guess, it probably needs to be in a big spells deck by default but copying something like share the spoils sounds nice

[golden plover]

You still pay for the spell tho, right?

So copying big spells is nice, but you're still paying the mana to cast it again

[trail anvil]

you do, but you get 2 uses which is nice advantage, on top of just attacking with a 4/4

[golden plover]

Hard to find a home when you're trying to double down on big spells and also swing with a 4/4

Yeah that's fair enough

I think it's fine in a vacuum

I just can't see it reasonably slotting into anything worthwhile

[trail anvil]

I'd dare to call it standard playable honestly

maybe not meta but it seems fine

[golden plover]

What big spells are there in standard you'd wanna copy

Genuinely don't know enough about standard to know what's up

[trail anvil]

breach the multiverse which provides even more gas

some kind of grixis reanimator build has been done before

[golden plover]

I could see that working ig

[trail anvil]

even copying seize the spoils as I said before will result in some real deep digging

[golden plover]

Some of the convoke spells from MOM too maybe?

[trail anvil]

eh if you can pay the mana

[golden plover]

You'd get some okay value off the big spells there

You can convoke them again, no?

Although that'd also require you to have a board ig

[trail anvil]

yeah so you can go jeskai, but I haven't seen convoke outside of that one soldier for a while, I feel like

[golden plover]

Fair enough. I just don't really know what spells you'd wanna copy

[trail anvil]

it would trigger monastery mentor ig but again you're collecting evidence 6 so that's pretty steep for spellslinging decks

[golden plover]

Yeah that's my issue

6 is a big ask

[trail anvil]

even copying go for the throat/sheoldred's edict can be fine if there's a must kill

the whole point seems like using your gy as a second hand

I'm kinda curious if you still get to copy the spell if you exiled it on a previous turn

if so that makes it much better with crewing

[golden plover]

Yeah that's true. Otherwise the crewing feels pointless

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/mkm-barbed-servitor-via-the-gamer-v0-eyy984m5yfdc1.png?s=14d2de45319b18afbdf90e35c4801257eca7c151

interesting design, stuffy doll that can't block but gains advantage

[lusty trench]

Damn rakdos are getting into some shit huh

[trail anvil]

and punishes blocking with menace

[lusty trench]

Rakdos really just said "make the funkiest dude out there"

[trail anvil]

rakdos is like the definition of getting into shit

[stark skiff]

Procession reprint is nice. Wonder what the Sol Ring will look like

[golden plover]

You can also notably lose the "can't block"

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/mkm-archdruids-charm-via-the-gamer-v0-gq5rbcj0yfdc1.png?s=3d62d97f7f757b97c13f6458c5464e814f252f64

holy shit what?

[golden plover]

What the hell

[trail anvil]

ig this is the perfect time to do a pushed charm for green lol

[stark skiff]

This is nice

[trail anvil]

I think this goes hardest in edh-like formats for the search

it's any land holy shit

[lusty trench]

For triple green it had better be any land, but yeah this is neat, don't think it's like super strong but it's very neat

Does a good amount of relevant things

[twilit canyon]

love it

its so nice

[lusty trench]

One ring gets exiled by the hippy charm

Shouldve smoked more grass sauron

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/mkm-aftermath-analyst-card-gallery-v0-11beb8vk8fdc1.png?s=1b09dbb625fe427245c3a9090fba9b96c83a990a

[dense berry]

i analyzed aftermath the set sucked

[trail anvil]

okay we're just casually stapling a rare onto an uncommon with a mill effect

[twilit canyon]

"3-4 playable cards in the set... each pack is overpriced... story was mid to bad..."

[golden plover]

Wild that green is really powercrept this set and like half the other cards just feel unplayable

Also are there any Gruul cards?

I haven't seen a single Gruul card

[dense berry]

mid to bad fucking a youre coping that shit was awful across the board

[trail anvil]

I mean we will have yet to get the gruul mole god

still have*

[golden plover]

He's probably gonna be green because of ilharg

[twilit canyon]

i liked chandra and nissa reconciling

[lusty trench]

When attacks, Sac an artifact or discard a card, it gets +2/+0till end of turn and you draw

[trail anvil]

[[ilharg the raze boar]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/133/ilharg-the-raze-boar

Ilharg, the Raze-Boar <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Boar God
Trample
Whenever Ilharg, the Raze-Boar attacks, you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking. Return that creature to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
When Ilharg, the Raze-Boar dies or is put into exile from the battlefield, you may put it into its owner's library third from the top.
6/6

[trail anvil]

eh

if he's literally a gruul god I'm still leaning towards actual gruul but we'll see

[lusty trench]

What's the day for the commander reveals?

[golden plover]

Ilharg is also a Gruul god

[dense berry]

im low on all the modern lgbt+ relationships in the story after they released the gay secret lair with none of the classic lgbt characters in the story represented

[lusty trench]

Oh shit it's in 5 days

[twilit canyon]

tbf yes but also i do think its good they managed to start undoing the entirety of war of the spark

[lusty trench]

Decidedly undone

[copper pecan]

archdruid's charm is crazy

you could have it just be the first effect and it would still be pretty good

[twilit canyon]

cant wait for archlich's charm

archon's charm

[lusty trench]

Archbishops charm

[twilit canyon]

and hmm what for red

[lusty trench]

Archdevils charm?

[twilit canyon]

meh would work more for black/red

no itd probably be archdragon's charm

and for white archangel's charm

[lusty trench]

That sounds right yeah

[copper pecan]

i think the red one should be anarchist's charm

[twilit canyon]

that would fit too but i think they are going by the iconic "mages" of each color

could be archlich or archfiend for black

archbishop or archangel for white

and then red is where it gets tricky somewhat

can do archdragon or anarchist

[golden plover]

Could be Arcanist or Artificer

Since red is usually the artifact color

[golden plover]

Seems nice in draft

[glad peak]

I think with this I finally have enough for a decent morphs cube

[golden plover]

Guess he's not dead then

[twilit canyon]

https://vxtwitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1748465864867734009

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1198024993871757373/Slime_Preview.png?ex=65bd66b8&is=65aaf1b8&hm=e41d6c20653451874147ee58dc8897696971ad2b2e02b31adb69bd5d89ccf23f&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1198030184809508885/GEPPKdXboAAHK0u.png?ex=65bd6b8e&is=65aaf68e&hm=aa4d2e0ccb254cb5d6f39e2cfc492a6e3ddf304c5a94c8ef7a863d0a966daf8a&

lazav can become bond

[golden plover]

Wait why'd they do 7 serialized copies?

[copper pecan]

bames jond

[golden plover]

Wait 8/4 for 4???

[copper pecan]

crazy

[broken fjord]

Dolmon gate and lure effects seem decent in an Anzrag deck.

As many combats as there are blockers. Guess those 1 mana hexproof and indestructible granters work well too

[trail anvil]

that name lmao

[sudden lava]

Im making this in commander

It's common so should be cheap enough to amass an army of them

[zinc shard]

I thought rolling a nat 1 on Copper dragon was bad enough

[dense berry]

gen 5 excadrill can be my commander holy shit

[golden plover]

Honestly that card is pushed as hell

8/4 for 4 with all upside

[barren cairn]

you can like

do this + thrumming stone

if you then cast Aave, Progenitor Ooze

you have a fuck ton of oozes

[twilit canyon]

and its unplayable

not gonna be played over shelly emperor or ertai

[dense berry]

4 mana stat stick

[twilit canyon]

sure as shit not turning sideways in this standard

[sleek ferry]

I would play it tbh

In uh explorer though, idk about in standard

[twilit canyon]

explorer is worse

ppl are hating on amalia combo so hard that removal is maindeck for even aggro decks

[sleek ferry]

I haven’t played in like a month and a half, but I would still be on Royal treatment in gruul aggro, and getting your removal Royal treatment’d is such a tempo loss

I would have to play around with it though

[twilit canyon]

to play royal treatment, u are playing off tempo

so they win the tempo war especially phoenix and rakdos

and treatment folds to azorius control

i played azorius in the qualifier and farmed 7-0 both days against a ton of creature decks

[trail anvil]

[[royal treatment]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/183/royal-treatment

Royal Treatment <:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Target creature you control gains hexproof until end of turn. Create a Royal Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward .)
"Stay your blades, peasants."

[trail anvil]

doesn't this still die to shelly

[twilit canyon]

yes

mole god still dies to literally everything

even if it doesnt how likely was it that ur other creatures got to survive too

emperor flashes in and eats it

alternative: worlds most expensive way to kill 2 1/1s from wedding announcement and deal 8 damage

your 4 mana play got solod by a 3 mana enchantment

[broken fjord]

I like the card in an aggro deck in commander. But I imagine it's not great in any other format due to it needing to sit there for a turn.

[trail anvil]

Absolution Lamassu

4W

Creature --Lamassu

Flying

When Absolution Lamassu enters the battlefield, all creatures that were suspected are no longer suspected.

When Absolution Lamassu dies, you gain 3 life and suspect up to one target creature your opponent controls. (A creature that has been suspected has menace and can't block.)

4/3

[twilit canyon]

wait what the fuck lol

why are lammasu still around

i thought they got hunted to extinction on ravnica

also what a strange card to add

thats the 3rd lammasu ever printed

[sudden lava]

https://preview.redd.it/fs76me9pwkdc1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dffed23affe7eae93a73c9138ee84c6a23f7a5fa

Good card for evidence

[lusty trench]

Dominik mayer putting in work yet again

[golden plover]

This set has so many one off mechanics at like uncommon

It's gonna be so fucked to draft

[lusty trench]

Hey it's that preview image

[rich bronze]

Should’ve been GG

[lusty trench]

Yeah this feels not good

[rich bronze]

I want a conditional bolt

Based on collecting evidence

R
Deal 2 to any […]
Collect evidence ? Deal 3 instead

What would ? have to be

[rigid scarab]

But my self mill edh deck

The dream of Undergrowth Recon + Spelunking + Fetch

[rich bronze]

Fun fact a self-mill deck is currently tier 1 in hearthstone

[rigid scarab]

What's its name?

[rich bronze]

Suicide warlock/questline warlock

[rigid scarab]

WHAT

I thought questline warlock died 2 years ago

[rich bronze]

Wild format innit

[rigid scarab]

That deck got nerfed THREE TIMES

[rich bronze]

The deck plays way differently

you’re trying to deck out

And draw a ton

With the final reward

[rich bronze]

Were you there for discolock meta

First actual tier 0 meta in hearthstone, ever

[rigid scarab]

Nah

Played from Frozen Throne to Sunken City

[rich bronze]

Warlock got a critical mass of discard spells

And insane discard enablers

Made a deck that won from hand turn 3

[lusty trench]

I got zero clue how to rate this but I'm assuming this isn't great?

[rigid scarab]

Fits right into 2024 hearthstone

(Maybe, I haven't played in forever)

[twilit canyon]

good flavor

pretty mid in practice i would assume

[lusty trench]

4 more mythics to go

[trail anvil]

idk this seems like a pretty good effect to me

I'm sure you could get in either early with a small creature or something with deathtouch/flying

ig the bigger problem is the connecting creature needs to be disposable

[zinc shard]

A push that destroys a creature? Would you say it's a ..."Fatal Push "?

[fallow citrus]

I wouldn't

[barren cairn]

Man

Had a feels bad moment in commander

19 toxic counters and the 20th escaped me enough to die to Tiamat because Brimaz is a slow ass commander

Maybe if he drew cards

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1198388042642235482/image-238.png?ex=65beb8d6&is=65ac43d6&hm=acf3a365db2f308e2330521acb4424a42da7f14fc42104e20411fbd222d9b642&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=967

AWW

[sudden lava]

Making a proxy for 14th doctor without a printer 💀

[trail anvil]

good topend for monored?

[glad peak]

Obligatory “is this card good in modern burn”

[twilit canyon]

no

[twilit canyon]

might

[hidden ermine]

So when it first triggers you basically get to draw up to 3?

[fallow citrus]

how do you figure

[trail anvil]

on the solved side you get to draw 3 basically yeah, including your normal draw

[fallow citrus]

oh you mean when solved first triggers

[trail anvil]

worth noting both sides can be used with an empty hand, which is super easy to achieve in monored

[glad peak]

I know, but it’s a card likely to show up in that topic for this set even if it’s very bad for that deck

[twilit canyon]

teuw

*true

[fallow citrus]

what the dog doin

[trail anvil]

huntin

this is a really interesting design space tho

3 mana for a downside on a 6/2, or 3 mana for a 2/2 with ward 2 that when it dies it inflicts 3, or 5 mana for all the positive sides

[fallow citrus]

ik there's another card like it I just cannot remember what it's called

but it's a rabbit that gets put on the other side iirc

[trail anvil]

are you thinking of the legends of runeterra wolf or is it mtg

[fallow citrus]

OH maybe it's the runeterra one

idk why I thought it was mtg

[glad peak]

Yep it’s runeterra

I remember that 2 drop, was my favorite

[trail anvil]

I'm sure mtg has many cards where the opp gets creatures though, [[slaughter specialist]] is a recent one

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/122/slaughter-specialist

Slaughter Specialist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Warrior
When Slaughter Specialist enters the battlefield, each opponent creates a 1/1 white Human creature token.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, put a +1/+1 counter on Slaughter Specialist.
From every kill, a gruesome trophy.
3/3

[glad peak]

The entire hunted cycle is one

[trail anvil]

one of the hunted cycle was the other lammasu too lol

[zinc shard]

Obligatory "If creature dies this turn bring it back" card

Scam card, that's the word I was thinking of

[trail anvil]

the 1B revive with set mechanic.png

[sudden lava]

The Quake Mole is OP

[twilit canyon]

in timmy land where no one has removal spells

[stark skiff]

the dog side is dope

[sudden lava]

the cat side has better flavor text

[glad peak]

The mole god is good in the thought experiment format of no interaction but I don’t think it‘ll be legal since its ability is technically interaction

[zinc shard]

Another enabler for Fight Rigging

[twilit canyon]

deck was so powerful it killed the client

[hidden ermine]

[[Amalia]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/221/amalia-benavides-aguirre

Amalia Benavides Aguirre <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Scout
Ward—Pay 3 life.
Whenever you gain life, Amalia Benavides Aguirre explores. Then, destroy all other creatures if its power is exactly 20. (To have this creature explore, reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
2/2

[twilit canyon]

the combo is super simple

gain life while u control amalia + [[wildgrowth walker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/216/wildgrowth-walker

Wildgrowth Walker <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever a creature you control explores, put a +1/+1 counter on Wildgrowth Walker and you gain 3 life.
"Hear me, stone, root, branch: be the fist of this land. Turn back those who trample upon your domain." —Song of the Shaper
1/3

[twilit canyon]

they will keep bouncing off each other until she nukes the board and your opponent is left wide open to get beaten down by a 21/21 or 22/22 amalia

or have a [[dina soul steeper]] in play

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper

Dina, Soul Steeper <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dryad Druid
Whenever you gain life, each opponent loses 1 life.
, Sacrifice another creature: Dina, Soul Steeper gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
1/3

[twilit canyon]

and drain them

notably though its has multiple unlosable match ups in timeless

if u are uninterrupted, field of the dead decks have literally nothing against her

some still play cards like stp or the red versions play some bolts in the side to try and survive but the fact is u can kick this combo going at various ways and at instant speed and if they dont draw those removal spells they lose immediately

similarly, rakdos breach doesnt has the removal and speed to kill u before u do

and if they do manage to get their breach combo going, its actually not infinite and amalia can put your life total out of tendrils kill range before their deck runs out

[hidden ermine]

Oh

Thats simpler than I expected lmao

Wait can you do this in historic?

[twilit canyon]

yeah

but you dont have fetch lands and deathrite shaman

and obm is nerfed

also historic just plays way more removal since the format has more creature decks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1198512811509297242/IMG_1048.jpg?ex=65bf2d09&is=65acb809&hm=269ee03f03bdfa2f418f4aad4150404944bf54e1410fc368c19945bf6676f582&

[lusty trench]

Good evasion on it

[stark skiff]

yeah but the dog art is better

[trail anvil]

seems like a nice value and stabilizing card

I wish this only needed 3 unlock counters with a lesser effect tbh

[broken fjord]

Another Demonic Gifts for my Cormela deck.

[dense berry]

this set is really laying it on thick

[sudden lava]

Good for Hylda

[trail anvil]

this is a weird one

oh wait I read it wrong, so it serves as both a stall tool and a protection spell

seems pretty nice

[lusty trench]

"fuck you and I never want to see that shit again"

[trail anvil]

an unconditional board wipe with a potential surgical extraction sounds pretty poggers to me

you should definitely have 6 evidence to collect at this point in the game too

[sudden lava]

Im so ready for fallout reveals

[trail anvil]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/740092732746399744/why-didnt-new-capenna-have-a-law-enforcement#notes @twilit canyon wait they literally changed the set design to avoid cops cause of recent shit hot damn

[twilit canyon]

based

[trail anvil]

okay so we're just putting casualties of war on a 4 mana instant now

[sudden lava]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mtgsalvation_gamepedia/images/a/a8/PIP_RGW_Scrappy_Survivors.png/revision/latest?cb=20231020020431

Need this pupper

[lusty trench]

Not sure how I feel about this, at mythic it feels bad but ig it did too much in limited?

[hidden ermine]

Hah

[lusty trench]

I assume they're doing all of the clue murder weapons because yeah

[hidden ermine]

Ones a gun isnt it?

[lusty trench]

A revolver specifically apparently

They could just do a weapon for each colour ig?

So far we have knife (red) lead pipe (black) and now candle stick (blue)

[glad peak]

Guns exist in magic so should be fine

[lusty trench]

Issue is do they exist in ravnica

Ig you could say the revolver is vraskas as a momento from ixalan

[twilit canyon]

they exist in the mega city-plane with running electricity and flying ships

[lusty trench]

Have we ever seen a ravnican with a gun?

Dont most use knifes or some wack izzet tech

[fallow citrus]

I mean it could just be an izzet-fied revolver

[lusty trench]

I would love to see an izzet revolver

"yeah it shoots the entire cylinder at once but one fires backwards and we haven't figured out why"

[trail anvil]

a ton of reddit comments are calling this unplayable

even if it hits 2 permanents is this not just on-rate? instant speed 4 mana removal

[twilit canyon]

its quite weird

cus its really bad if u have no grave and desperately need to remove problem permanents

[atomic harness]

is charbelcher still a thing 🔥

saw a primer on it and it looks cool

[twilit canyon]

its pretty solid in timeless

it has a good match up vs titan

and decent one vs rakdos breach

[atomic harness]

poggu

do you have an eli5 on timeless

[twilit canyon]

arena vintage

its got quite a lot of power level and combo decks

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

u can expect consistent turn 3 wins and some turn 2s

[atomic harness]

are most of the good vintage decks playable in timeless then?

[twilit canyon]

no

we are missing a ton of vintage cards

[atomic harness]

interesting

whats the cardpool like?

[twilit canyon]

all of the cards on arena

every last one

[atomic harness]

thank

ill check it out soon

[sleek ferry]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oDv9fzl8fCk&si=qf3PgdFYsi07xxZx

[trail anvil]

think this one might be standard playable? revitalize trading 1 life for 2 exiles in a meta where gy is moderately relevant

backside might be used in fringe scenarios

[subtle sierra]

i like cease

desist might be a bit overpriced but from what i gather it's because the card has more utility

i didn't play when these types of cards came out

[trail anvil]

a few of them saw fringe play iirc

the one I think saw the most play was [[discovery//dispersal]] I wanna say?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/grn/223/discovery-dispersal

Discovery <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaub:292901509056692224>

Sorcery
Surveil 2, then draw a card. (To surveil 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order.)

Dispersal
Instant
Each opponent returns a nonland permanent they control with the highest mana value among permanents they control to its owner's hand, then discards a card.

[trail anvil]

at least in GRN

[twilit canyon]

destroy all of both enchantments and artifacts is pretty new of an effect

definitely overcosted a bit

but in a good way

cease is also really solid

[subtle sierra]

i was comparing to farewell cause i don't know too many cards

and that does more for the same mana

[atomic harness]

wow cease is super cling to dust

I like it

[trail anvil]

farewell is just genuinely busted

I can't wait to see that card rotate lmao

[twilit canyon]

yeah i think its fine to compare it to farewell

but farewell is notoriously broken

[trail anvil]

Curious Inquiry U

Enchantment — Aura

Enchant creature

Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has “Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, investigate. ”

curious obsession at home

[lusty trench]

Hate it when I'm trying to relax in my study and grimglo the goblin busts in and starts doing vape tricks

[trail anvil]

now that's a mythic

[rich bronze]

I somehow read this as “you may collect evidence 10 rather than pay this mana cost”

Would break legacy

[lusty trench]

Giga delve

[zinc shard]

Is this the first set where they put that reminder text on "Cant be countered" effects?

[lusty trench]

To be fair it's a helpful reminder but yeah that's kinda whack

[fallow citrus]

don't think this is the first set they've done this no

[[claim the firstborn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/118/claim-the-firstborn

Claim the Firstborn <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature with mana value 3 or less until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
"The deal was struck and the favor had been done. And so, under the cover of night, the debt was paid." —Tales of the Fae

[fallow citrus]

kind of sucks that they print these at such higher costs tho

[lusty trench]

New leyline

[trail anvil]

holy shit lmao

[trail anvil]

that's pretty funny

[lusty trench]

Also new phoenix

[trail anvil]

nop, [[heated debate]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/106/heated-debate

Heated Debate <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
This spell can't be countered. (This includes by the ward ability.)
Heated Debate deals 4 damage to target creature or planeswalker.
"While you were wasting time with abstract equations, I mastered ancient Oggyar fire magic. Your move."

[sleek ferry]

never seen this card in my life

[trail anvil]

yeah idr if it was ever used

the flavor text was a big meme tho

[sleek ferry]

sigh, I'm getting that mtg itch again

[golden plover]

That's a solid mythic

[golden plover]

That's the "4 hybrid color card"

Weird it can be played in mono-g

https://preview.redd.it/h9tjx8eaq0ec1.png?auto=webp&s=19377b4a47abb9df6648c982dd952bf697a9f130

Huh they brought back [[Voice of Resurgence]] but worse

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/227/voice-of-resurgence

Voice of Resurgence <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever an opponent casts a spell during your turn or when Voice of Resurgence dies, create a green and white Elemental creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of creatures you control."
2/2

[trail anvil]

titan of resurgence

gonna be using it with blink for fun

[zinc shard]

Turn 1 4 Devotion to Green

also turn 1 Leyline Binding

[sudden lava]

Misread conspiracy unraveler

[subtle sierra]

i think all of us did

[trail anvil]

oh wow you're right, you just casually get domain instantly

then again with triomes I guess you did anyways, but do you think this would have any place in any domain strategy?

[twilit canyon]

no its kinda whatever

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIJ-d3I0NdE&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

[twilit canyon]

if u draw it late, better pray u have force of will or vigor

[sudden lava]

new shuffle up and play with planechase

[twilit canyon]

if u have it early it doesnt change the need to fetch -> shock properly

[subtle sierra]

wait hands you mulliganed for are still starting hands, right?

[trail anvil]

ye

[sudden lava]

yeah you can mulligan for this

[twilit canyon]

mull to leyline is a real play

but u usually do so to mull to void or sanctity bc these 2 cards are actual potential game enders on the spot

this leyline isnt game ending and thats a problem

[subtle sierra]

yeah that sounds cute but it's not a wincon

the herd card doesn't get a discount, if it did it might be cute (i'm aware that would be beyond broken)

[twilit canyon]

it lets you cast turn 1 leyline binding

thats actually it

card rarely needs to be enabled t1 and is perfectly fine being enabled t2

[fallow citrus]

neat card

[twilit canyon]

huh this is pretty solid yeah

[zinc shard]

good for a common

[trail anvil]

maybe they intended for this to help with DMU cards when the existing trilands rotated? (when they designed this set, before they knew about current rotation)

[twilit canyon]

even with that idk if u ever cut cards for this

[subtle sierra]

already posted aeri

[trail anvil]

it looks decent, but I can't see cutting swifty or phoenix for this

[lusty trench]

New phoenix seems decent

[trail anvil]

menace is a cool keyword and works well with that one pump spell at least

[twilit canyon]

new phoenix is mid in the end

[lusty trench]

I think if it was collect evidence 3 there'd be more of a case for it, maybe haste too

But it having to pay the cost immediately on death is rough

[twilit canyon]

also the high amount of exile removal

[trail anvil]

don't most phoenixes trigger at any time?

[twilit canyon]

nice dies trigger

[trail anvil]

I get why this one doesn't but

[twilit canyon]

say hello to leyline binding

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556358048843694080/1199060444636250182/420045992_362560529743261_2915725598117547244_n.png?ex=65c12b0f&is=65aeb60f&hm=31cad623865306cc5ac19a906fd359ef7aaaa4eba5b6ce195897d94460ba06f3&

[fallow citrus]

Ooh not bad at all

[trail anvil]

jesus fuckin christ what

this effect was already a sideboard staple without flash, and flying too?

[lusty trench]

This is the closest comparison we have

[twilit canyon]

trades lifelink from hushbringer and 1 toughness from strict proctor

[trail anvil]

I feel like 1/2 > 2/1, on top of preventing artifact triggers

strict proctor also lets you pay 2 right

[lusty trench]

Yeah it's pretty much a strict upgrade

[twilit canyon]

ye

[sudden lava]

flavor fail, it can be suspected

But nice Alesha target I suppose

[lusty trench]

No equip cost? Damn

I think that's a first isn't it?

[zinc shard]

This combos with the new Leyline

[twilit canyon]

in the kitchen

[lusty trench]

Cooking wmds god damn

[sudden lava]

BEAR

https://youtu.be/UEf6TWpa5As

also the bear is a legendary

[sleek ferry]

Bearforce 3

[sudden lava]

all the hints

[sudden lava]

Hint 2 is clearly not false

A bear legend was teased art wise, and hint 2 is hinting at 2/2s

the bear legend art looks very naya, which is the deck color combination for the 2/2 creatures (morph and friends)

[lusty trench]

These hints tell us basically nothing

Think the last two mythics in the main set are mono red

[lusty trench]

It was live for 6 hours

[zinc shard]

Im predicting 3 and 11 are the lies

[golden plover]

We love the change to limited run

[lusty trench]

Wotc printing product specifically for scalpers now that's crazy

[broken fjord]

Another gravestorm card would be cool if true.

[stark skiff]

Wait that was it? wtf

[golden plover]

It's not unexpected, but if you can't buy an SL the hour it goes live, don't expect to buy one anymore

Not in the US? get fucked

Got work the time it's live? Sucks to suck

Reprint of a popular expensive card(s) in the lair? Bots got it

[atomic harness]

Any chalice on 2 fans in the chat

[sudden lava]

nah gives us some clues at what to expect

Like we know there is gonna be a 2/2 matters commander (I am very positive that one isnt the lies)

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Rope-400x559.jpg

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Wrench-400x559.jpg

[golden plover]

How the fuck are they gonna do "revolver"

They don't do guns

Oh they just skipped it lmao

[rigid scarab]

My clue set doesn't have revolver

[golden plover]

The gun is a classic clue weapon

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1199218955215196212/svlpx26gd4ec1.webp?ex=65c1beaf&is=65af49af&hm=283fbbd8ac4c6119f8c9a16a5f55dfcda3e064ab39d2c6ca996e690c73a27d28&

[golden plover]

The dragon with set mechanic

It's fine

[sleek ferry]

For 6 mana and no haste it should have hit face also

[twilit canyon]

its extremely mid to bad

but a limited bomb

[atomic harness]

limited

[golden plover]

Yeah I do wish it had haste

[atomic harness]

Sigh I miss terror of the peaks

[sudden lava]

only 5 colors so perfect excuse

[golden plover]

Wait actually it has trample

It's better than I thought

1 damage and you clear their board

Not great, but maybe decent in standard

[rigid scarab]

When did you get here kid

[stark skiff]

He missed me and sought me out here

[rich bronze]

I AM SO HARD

DOMAIN BULLSHIT LFG

[lusty trench]

The final mythic

[zinc shard]

Mileva!!!

[sleek ferry]

2/3 for 1W?

[fallow citrus]

seems very good in humans

[golden plover]

Good card, but I really wish they didn't give her the hat

She's a named character who has been in a series of cards throughout the years and now her only actual named card has the stupid hat

[[Tenth District Legionare]] for context

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/283/tenth-district-legionnaire

Tenth District Legionnaire <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Haste
Whenever you cast a spell that targets Tenth District Legionnaire, put a +1/+1 counter on Tenth District Legionnaire, then scry 1.
"The Tenth is under heavy attack, but it's being handled. I sent Mileva." —Tajic
2/2

[golden plover]

She's in other cards too like [[Battlefield Promotion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/7/battlefield-promotion

Battlefield Promotion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. That creature gains first strike until end of turn. You gain 2 life.
"Welcome to the Legion. You saved a district—now let's go save the world."

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/91lhkeyi18ec1.png?auto=webp&s=23d55d0239143df6d66f6d7d62fe8c35757d285a

Damn that's all that art got used for? Unfortunate

[fallow citrus]

this could be good

[golden plover]

Oh so the Clue cards from the clue game (that aren't even used in the game outside of being shuffled into the envelope) are $70, don't come anywhere else (even collectors boosters for MKM) and are randomized a la jumpstart

Hope none of them end up being good then

[golden plover]

That art for Creeper is 100% slush art from WOE, right? That is not a Ravnica card

[subtle sierra]

damn, ace attorney card

[zinc shard]

This seems like a really strong build around card

[subtle sierra]

I read it as "leaves the battlefield" at first and thought wtf

But yeah this looks cute af

[dense berry]

the hat is so overdone in this set it makes the set feel like its bottom up

forced

[golden plover]

The hats feel so out of place

It's really weird to have a bunch of established Ravnicans go "oh I'm gonna put on a stupid hat and play columbo nowadays"

I get that the hat is to spot detective tribal easily for draft

But the hat looks really dumb and some, like Proft, aren't even wearing them

[dense berry]

it just seems so stereotypical

[golden plover]

Actually looking at it, most don't have the hat

The hat comes from WW1 era detective tropes

Detectives dressed like that because that's how people dressed and PIs wanted to blend in

[dense berry]

you know there is more than one way to portray the flavor of detective work

[golden plover]

But by wearing a trenchcoat and hat on Ravnica, they stand out super hard

Honestly? A lot of them feel more forced pop culture references than anything from Eldraine

[dense berry]

also that art on vengeful creeper looks suspiciously AI generated

[golden plover]

Ai? Probably not

Slush art? 100%

That card is not a Ravnica card

[dense berry]

i know its likely just that wotc and hasbro has broken my trust in their art direction ethics and now im just overly critical

but now every somewhat odd artwork comes off first as possibly AI rather than unique or innovative like it used to

and that feels bad

[golden plover]

I just think the art looks super out of place

It looks like a hearthstone card or something and definitely not a Ravnica card

[dense berry]

it reminds me of uhh

league of legends

[golden plover]

Holy shit it does

[hidden ermine]

Id say Hearthstone more than league

[lusty trench]

Apparently dramatic accusation caused a lot of internal discussion due to it being a harder form of removal than blue usually gets

[hidden ermine]

It did?

Why, 5 mana shuffle into the deck is pretty standard for blue

[lusty trench]

Dude straight up said "I hate it but I got outvoted"

[lusty trench]

They usually get to delay (suspend/put on top of library), counter or bounce but shuffling in is a harder form of removal than blue usually gets

[golden plover]

I mean for 3 blue mana you can have unconditional creature removal in blue

[[Ravenform]] straight up exiles

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/167/ravenform

Ravenform <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target artifact or creature. Its controller creates a 1/1 blue Bird creature token with flying.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)

[lusty trench]

This is flavoured as a polymorph so ig why they're okay with it?

[golden plover]

Weird that's less of a pie break than this?

Because I feel like Ravenform is much more problematic

Which is funny because Ravenform is a nothing card

[hidden ermine]

Not ... really?

Blue gets control magic which is the hardest form of removal, the only restriction blue has is that their removal has to cost more

[dense berry]

i dont even see the pie break tbh

i think maro just sees people mad on Twitter and doesnt want to fan the flames

blue has been getting sticky tap auras for decades and [[spin into myth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/arc/8/spin-into-myth

Spin into Myth <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Put target creature on top of its owner's library, then fateseal 2. (To fateseal 2, look at the top two cards of an opponent's library, then put any number of them on the bottom of that player's library and the rest on top in any order.)

[fallow citrus]

oh this is cool

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1199493960452808724/GEj9PeNWsAA5IZH.jpg?ex=65c2becd&is=65b049cd&hm=61d5c6f47bbfd3899b2ea226774dd7369b84f9e92837cc51ddda28b51b0ca53e&

[trail anvil]

zedruu is drooling rn

[twilit canyon]

let them have it

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631289278479073303/1199420280544698448/image.png?ex=65c27a2f&is=65b0052f&hm=be739f44c534b6fd7545c7b5ff3e4665b231f2da550194b4bf385f8818f89882&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

literally 1984

[atomic harness]

Real

any wild mongrel fans in chat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK_WL1-tXYE

[dense berry]

if you werent there for the 'tog or the dog were you really playing mtg back in those days

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1199533744885866506/Break-Out-MKM-672.jpg?ex=65c2e3db&is=65b06edb&hm=4bc8cdd75425154b1591c24d65d1d31bb1a588818c2c8226dc82bbb5ef496adb&

[trail anvil]

does gruul have enough 2 drops to make this card useful? the adventure one is considered a 2-drop right?

[atomic harness]

that card is nice

[last glen]

what's that two drop?
burning tree shaman?

[[burning tree shaman]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/105/burning-tree-shaman

Burning-Tree Shaman <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Centaur Shaman
Whenever a player activates an ability that isn't a mana ability, Burning-Tree Shaman deals 1 damage to that player.
Gruul shamans are bent on punishing the civilized. Any act more complex than rubbing sticks together or eating with utensils is met with the stinging burn of their magic.
3/4

[last glen]

nope not that one

the one that gives you RG on summon

[twilit canyon]

[[burning tree emmissary]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/189/burning-tree-emissary

Burning-Tree Emissary <:manarg:292901508738056193><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Creature — Human Shaman
When Burning-Tree Emissary enters the battlefield, add .
Those who regard the Gruul as savage simpletons underestimate the subtle power of their shamans.
2/2

[waxen timber]

The Arena cube is super fun. Cast time walk, copy it with lutri into Ancestral Recall

[trail anvil]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/740345824670842880/hey-mark-my-magic-group-just-saw-krenkos new lotus field hate

although ig this doesn't really help if they have strict proctor out

[zinc shard]

This artwork is... way too realistic

like it's... unsettling. is it just me?

[last glen]

I get what you're saying

I think the effects behind the face don't match stylistically with the face itself

also wait isn't this strictly better than an existing counterspell

[twilit canyon]

better than [[quench]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/48/quench

Quench <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"When properly invoked, the plasma globule encloses the offensive spell with a satisfying slurp."

[twilit canyon]

but they have been printing functionally better quenches for a while

[[make disappear]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/49/make-disappear

Make Disappear <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Casualty 1 (As you cast this spell, you may sacrifice a creature with power 1 or greater. When you do, copy this spell and you may choose a new target for the copy.)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .

[trail anvil]

quench has been a good thing to improve upon tbh

[dense berry]

inb4 AI generated

i dont think this one is actually AI but the realism genre will forever be suspicious now

perhaps thats part of the flavor

clever if so

[pulsar talon]

It doesnt really look like ai it's more a hyper realistic gmod model that ended up landing in the uncanny valley

[subtle sierra]

It looks like a bad greenscreen

Something is fucked with the lighting in it for me at least

[atomic harness]

it's very unnerving to look at

[zinc shard]

oh look it's the hat

[pulsar talon]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-herlock-sholmes-ace-attorney-gif-27691670

[twilit canyon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hTkvHMMS17M?feature=shared

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

wow fuck treasures

[rigid scarab]

Wow treasure hate

Never seen those before

[dense berry]

12 dollar goyf pour one out its finally back to its price tag upon future sight's release

honestly zoo style over stat vanilla critters were destined to fall off eventually

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/mf64rfzbweec1.png?auto=webp&s=199117c4ab4e8098a4b46690d88b4d083e0fd460

This is pretty decent

MU dependant, but cool

It's technically a reanimate

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/nkjwje246fec1.png?auto=webp&s=dbf1c123de7e4e53655b43657c0a0d51efb11b30

New Feather card

Kinda similar to her first but not as cool

https://preview.redd.it/7lvdlaxs6fec1.png?auto=webp&s=8d70ffbf146d806443d7c96c412a042d0f516c33

Damn I wish this was 1-2 mana cheaper

4 isa a BIG ask for that

[sudden lava]

oh yeah commander reveals today

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/92sovzni6fec1.png?auto=webp&s=d7d8dc8c27fe79f9d7f9a6ce634bdba82c3a5471

This is cute

[sudden lava]

so we can deduct what were the lies in Gavin's teaser

[golden plover]

This is a little more deserving of 4 mana at least

https://preview.redd.it/mja7o4wg6fec1.png?auto=webp&s=ef81be66f6acf6be14009345c0ccefc0078d8026

Now this is a card

[sudden lava]

reminder these are the 12 truths (and 2 lies)

[golden plover]

1 mana versatile artifact

https://preview.redd.it/ttgngzf96fec1.png?auto=webp&s=08511f8ef7bd6b9cb23986578821d7734d527b56

Wow this is weird

[sudden lava]

I'll make a second version for crossing off all the true ones without all the text

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/lzvjqsef6fec1.png?auto=webp&s=9f1469edfbb8037039afca82d6be1d75c188f885

This is cute

[sudden lava]

so far 2 truths

[golden plover]

4 is true

It's Ransom Note

[sudden lava]

ransom note is confirmed to be in all the lists? didnt see the vid

[golden plover]

Yeah, different art in each for the arg

[sudden lava]

alright so that makes, 11, 13, and 4 true

[trail anvil]

this is just zada at home

unless you could find some kind of effect that will only be negative for your opponent's creature and somehow positive for you

[golden plover]

It's way worse Zada, but it can target auras or whatever

You can also pick so it's more versatile

Zada always targets everything

[trail anvil]

I guess

[golden plover]

I don't think it's a great card

But it's got some options

[trail anvil]

4 mana seems fine for this btw, you should be getting a ton of draws I feel like

[[monologue tax]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/19/monologue-tax

Monologue Tax <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, you create a Treasure token.
"Your unsolicited words enrich us all. Please, continue." —Yold, professor of cryptorelicology

[trail anvil]

this is 3 mana and only has one of those effects

idk why it randomly hates on extra turns

[golden plover]

Yeah, I guess. I just don't really think it's what you wanna be playing t4

I think it could have been 3 without the extra turn hate

[trail anvil]

eh it sounds fine to me, you're likely playing it t3 anyways cause of signet ramp

[trail anvil]

I wonder if snitch will be the most common mode with this card

[golden plover]

Snitch benefits you the most when the choice is presented

But silence benefits the group

Ignoring specific life totals, you'd wanna snitch unless the player casting it is the top priority

[trail anvil]

yeah if you're the villain then this is probably just dealing 4

[golden plover]

Yup, but if not, I think snitch is correct if it doesn't kill you

Since worst case scenario you take 8

But you can also make both other players take 12 if they chose silence

Snitch feels correct unless you've got a common enemy

[lusty trench]

Someone ping me when the dimir deck reveals

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/murders-at-karlov-manor-commander-decklists

Full list for Boros

[[Fiendish Duo]] is a big reprint

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/4/fiendish-duo

Fiendish Duo <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil
First strike
If a source would deal damage to an opponent, it deals double that damage to that player instead.
Half the size, double the mayhem.
5/5

[golden plover]

Only ever been in game nights and is a $40 card

[broken fjord]

2nd turn in a row. Fits with the pair theme.

[trail anvil]

then just have it draw you a card at the start of an extra turn /s

[lusty trench]

Really solid list out there box damn

[golden plover]

Yeah it's one of the best looking recent precons

[trail anvil]

I like how this helps you close out the game as aggro

[sleek ferry]

wait that white list goes pretty hard

solid reprints

[broken fjord]

I know Feather is a bit of a disappointment, but I can understand the pay 2 requirement. Played Inkeyes Nephilim as both a prismatic bridge secret commander and a rule 0 commander. It takes over games super easily. Red has tons of good cards that target a single thing.

[rigid scarab]

Just worse Zada?

[trail anvil]

ye I said that

[rigid scarab]

I said it but cooler

[broken fjord]

It's different enough. You can target their stuff

[rigid scarab]

I mean ig Zada doesn't have as big of access of single target buff spells

But literally who cares when you can draw 10 off of a cantrip

[broken fjord]

So you can say threaten their board and kill everyone

[rigid scarab]

Dont you need like

A shit ton of mana

[broken fjord]

Yeah. But boros can do that. They got dockside loops

If you want

[rigid scarab]

There are a lot better infinite mana payoffs if you're going that far

[broken fjord]

Oh sure

[rigid scarab]

Unless you wanna argue that this is a 'cooler' infinite mana payoff

[broken fjord]

You also get a rebate off of stormkiln too.

I think there's something mid to high power you can make with feather. That's decent, I mean

If her copy effect was free, she'd obviously be way better

[rigid scarab]

Every single shitty commander can be mid to high power if you fill it with goodstuff

Look at Blue Farm

[broken fjord]

I ain't saying feather goodstuff. The list would be built around her.

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/oDv9fzl8fCk?si=YcYXEODVvece8db5

[rigid scarab]

Also Zada is PEDH viable

[broken fjord]

Anzrag's Rampage looks like a nice Vandalblast style card.

[rigid scarab]

Thank god it can get lands from grave

[lusty trench]

Dominik Mayer can do no wrong

That art is incredible

[rigid scarab]

Trying to decipher the flavour

[trail anvil]

yeah damn, it looks like you're using some creature up until you don't need it anymore

[trail anvil]

honestly the fact that this can hit any target makes me think it would be decent as a finisher like expansion//explosion

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1199775986124853358/image.png?ex=65c3c575&is=65b15075&hm=ae12f2b3b130311e1ba344b77f5728b92ed213ab89ccc2967fdcf6dd8e3dd524&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=697&height=967

reprint in the boros deck

[rigid scarab]

Scenario

You're a commander deck

You saw the ones before you get a giant fuckoff reprint each

You're told that you're getting one too!

And it's a damage doubler that's just expensive because it was in a product no one bought

[trail anvil]

is this even expensive

[[$gisela, blade of goldnight]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/338/gisela-blade-of-goldnight

Prices for Gisela, Blade of Goldnight

Commander Masters

$2.96 • €2.18 • 0.19 TIX

Commander Masters

$6.66 • 0.22 TIX

Commander Masters

$2.65 • €2.54 • 0.11 TIX

The List

$3.59 • €2.36

Secret Lair Drop

$8.42 • €10.72 • 0.03 TIX

Commander Anthology Volume II

$5.33 • €4.11

Masters 25

$3.58 • €2.70 • 0.18 TIX

Commander 2015

$4.08 • €3.90

Avacyn Restored

$2.92 • €4.87 • 0.02 TIX

Open the Helvault

$1.71 • €1.20

[trail anvil]

does this even have a meaningful reprint

[rigid scarab]

Yeah it does

Fiendish Duo

A $40 card because it was only printed in Game Night 2019

It's a 6 mana damage doubler

And that's it

[trail anvil]

ic

[rigid scarab]

The other 3 decklists better give us something impressive

Like uhhhhh

Give us Rhystic Study

[lusty trench]

This is going to be a decent card

Ignore the first line of text because it’s whatever

[rigid scarab]

Love how someone in the art is literally an extra turn commander

And the guy right there is gonna fucking axe her to death

[lusty trench]

Oh wow are all the lists out today?

[trail anvil]

who's that?

[golden plover]

Yeah it's one of the best looking recent precons

[zinc shard]

Naw, just the Blame Game list. They reveal 1 list every day

[trail anvil]

y'know on second thought, goading auras don't seem too bad on this card

it's definitely not the best, but it's a unique use

redemption arc is probably the perfect fit for her cause it gives indestructible too

[sudden lava]

It's all of them today

pretty sure

[zinc shard]

oh damn