Magic the Gathering

[trail anvil]

I had to play against the worse one to remember

ngl I've been f2p the entire time but I've been mostly doing hbrawl so I just have a ton of singles lol

I feel like there are a number of decks you can start on with cards you've had previously though

does pact combo run 2 pact or did I just get fucked up by a bad build

[clever sun]

Yes two Pact

[trail anvil]

I hit the first with fucking ragavan and thought I won, and they had another in hand

[clever sun]

One of Thoracle and either Jace or Layla

[trail anvil]

oh it works with 2 oops

[clever sun]

Yeah the one in deck doesn't care about the one in hand

[trail anvil]

dude baited me with an obm on top and grixis lands

[dense berry]

arena is definitely one of the least f2p friendly of the major ccgs

the wildcard system was unacceptable on launch and half a decade later its in the same spot

[golden plover]

Oh for sure

LoR is kinda the gold standard but that game just has really bad metas

I dunno if I'd say arena is worse than hearthstone at its lowest, but surprisingly hearthstone is a LOT better about being f2pish now

You can't craft every deck in the format, but they give you enough free shit to craft 3ish every format

[dense berry]

it does suck that some of the most free ccgs have the most questionable design teams

like in shadowverse the game is free as all hell but the meta literally never changes

the same classes and decks are always good in the eternal format and the ones that are always bad are always bad. Then their rotation format is 100% midrange mirrors regardless of class every single time

[trail anvil]

I just wish lor rotation was just more practical so they could maintain a standard similar to magic's

[polar lake]

hm

[golden plover]

Yeah true. I'd be fine with a more traditional rotation with them doing the hearthstone thing

Hearthstone does "these cards are format staples, they won't rotate" and then rotates the rest of each set

[dense berry]

so thats where the money went from those 1100 employees

[polar lake]

noo but this is a good thing, he needs his 6th yacht for the hoilidays

[twilit canyon]

literally like

the second the layoffs happen, the official mtg discord had 3 of their most popular and active wotc employees get demodded and leave

cus they got laid off

like super sickening thing as their ceo is sitting there with those millions

[dense berry]

shhh just consume and be happy, look how pro-human they are with all their diversity and representation theyre actually too good for this world

[polar lake]

3.5 Billion not million*

[golden plover]

Hasbro is struggling hard

And the ceos are killing their 2 things keeping them afloat

[polar lake]

i fucking hate the fact that Hasbro owns Magic and DnD

[golden plover]

Magic and DnD have both noticeably been getting a lot worse lately

[twilit canyon]

look

[golden plover]

And they're literally the only things keeping the company going

[twilit canyon]

ill give it to hasbro

[dense berry]

this fucking pod person is just gonna run the hame into the ground and liquidate the assets

[twilit canyon]

i really thought that the one dnd fiasco and the open play license things were gonna be the biggest fumble by a game company of the year

[golden plover]

You'd think they'd take the success of Baldur's Gate and realize people like these properties and not just keep making them worse

[twilit canyon]

but at least they arent nintendo killing their competitive scenes

[golden plover]

Honestly I think the OPL one was worse

[twilit canyon]

nah that nintendo one is particularly brutal

[golden plover]

And hey, they also have third place under their belt too

[twilit canyon]

for as bad as it was for a dnd brand

[golden plover]

Calling the pinkertons in was also this year

So they've got at least 2 of the top 5

[twilit canyon]

nintendo absolutely fumbled their entire competitive grassroots orgs

killed entirely

and no real replacement in sight

at least wotc will... remain standing and making the most money for hasbro

[rigid scarab]

Shoutout to their Splatoon championship where the prize was a $25 gift card

[golden plover]

I mean, I figure WOTC has a couple years max

Reminder Bank of America called them out for fucking up too much

[twilit canyon]

couple years before they crash or a couple years before wotc themselves overtake hasbro

[golden plover]

Crash 100%

[twilit canyon]

i highly doubt it

[golden plover]

I'm giving it 5 years before they have to sell off things that aren't DnD

[dense berry]

id say crash

[golden plover]

They'll hold onto MTG and DnD for as long as possible and probably hold DnD for like another 10ish at most

But the second it gets worse they're gonna sell off nerf, transformers, and mlp

And then when White Wolf makes a deal to buy DnD it's over

[copper pecan]

bank of america wanted them to never reprint cards

[rigid scarab]

Let's say this

[golden plover]

Or like Paradox ig? I think they're the same studio

[rigid scarab]

These next years are going to be important for WOTC

[copper pecan]

the changes that bofa wanted to make were super anticonsumer

[golden plover]

Bank of America also said that the amount of releases was an issue. Some were really dumb but others were fair

Actually wait White Wolf owning DnD would be sick

[twilit canyon]

im pretty sure the case for bank of america was calling out hasbro for devaluing magic stock and that hasbro stock

[twilit canyon]

was the one at risk

not wizards of the coas

[golden plover]

Yeah let's speed this up and get White Wolf level DnD content

[copper pecan]

god no

[twilit canyon]

looking into it, the callout was to hasbro for devaluing wotc

[golden plover]

White Wolf is generally pretty good, except for their video game releases

[twilit canyon]

but wotc and mtg/dnd themselves are doing quite well this year

[copper pecan]

almost everything i've seen from white wolf has been horribly racist

[golden plover]

They've done a lot to take that out

[copper pecan]

not enough

[golden plover]

The new WoD stuff is arguably some of the most progressive tabletop rpgs that aren't made by like 4 queers on itch.io

[polar lake]

if only Wotc belonged to people that actually cared about dnd and mtg

[twilit canyon]

literally all of the boa accounts were also pushes to discourage reprints of cards and protect collector investment

[polar lake]

instead of whoever the fuck are the board members rn

[twilit canyon]

it does

the issue isnt wotc ownership if anything the issue is their bosses

because while they may own wotc, they have a bigger boss to report to

[rigid scarab]

You almost always want owners of your company to be predominantly business people tbh

[twilit canyon]

and thats hasbro

[copper pecan]

if the people who ran wotc didn't care i feel like they would be a lot less transparent about the development of the game

[twilit canyon]

no not quite

[rigid scarab]

Doesn't matter how much PR you have if your profits are garbage

[golden plover]

Outside of like maybe 3 companies, that's like never gonna happen

[rigid scarab]

But also yeah I would say you would also have to care about your products at least ti some degree

[golden plover]

The people who want to own a business to make money usually aren't the people who make the decisions about the game

[twilit canyon]

your product must be the most important thing or else the market will eventualyl correct itself

[rigid scarab]

We really are seeing the 2 polar opposites of this chat in this one convo

[twilit canyon]

*eventually

[golden plover]

I mean hell, with stuff like how MaRo is pretty open about how MOM:Aftermath was a failure from all standpoints, you can see where business meddling is

[rigid scarab]

We got the people who get on to talk about how the game is dying

[twilit canyon]

for what its worth, while i do think wotc isnt great at format management, they have done a fantastic job in actual game balance this year

[rigid scarab]

And we get people who get on to post Arena twitch clips

[golden plover]

The only question is how long can the people who actually want the game to be good can keep their jobs before another $3.5 billion loss and layoffs

[rigid scarab]

Ok well that take just sounds

Online

[golden plover]

I mean, unfortunately it's what we're looking at. There's always gonna be people that care, but the company is NOT doing well

[copper pecan]

anyone who thinks the game is actually dying is being kinda ridiculous ngl

if anything the rest of hasbro is more likely to die first

[twilit canyon]

even if hasbro and/or wotc kick the bucket

yeah

mtg will continue

removing the wizards from the coast (hasbro) would 100% improve things for them though

[golden plover]

Yeah game would be a lot better off under management that isn't hasbro

[rigid scarab]

What if we just rebranded to "The Coast"

[copper pecan]

these layoffs aren't happening because of mtg or d&d doing badly, they're happening because the rest of hasbro is constantly hemoraging money

[twilit canyon]

from having talked to a lot of wotc employees now genuinely great ppl that care a whole lot about the game and they will def be keeping the game alive or a while if not laid off

alive and thriving

[golden plover]

DnD and MTG are kinda the two things that are keeping hasbro going, yeah

It's why you see them doing everything they can with the ips now

[twilit canyon]

they really didnt even have to try and do so it can just end up incidentally in pop culture

ie: stranger things

[golden plover]

Crossovers in both, constant streams of new products, trying to make people play dnd via a subscription service app (lmao). Because the rest of their franchises are not doing well

[twilit canyon]

mtg remains the most popular card game

[polar lake]

mtg: commander*

[golden plover]

Outside of like smaller circles, you don't see a lot of talk of the newest nerf gun and MLP/Transformers are both about 10-40 years past their primes

[twilit canyon]

the reach is huge with pro-football players, massively successful musicinas, and celebrities all being into mtg

*musicians

[rigid scarab]

Pokemon

[golden plover]

I just don't think when the rest of hasbro inevtably falls apart that WoTC has the ability to break free

[twilit canyon]

pokemon is the most popular brand

[golden plover]

It's 100% pokemon, yeah

[twilit canyon]

no one truly gives a shit about the card game

collecting the cards sure

but as a card game proper?

not a real game

[golden plover]

That's the thing tho

MTG is more played but pokemon sells leagues better

Becuase of the collector aspect

It's honestly probably why they're doing stuff like Secret Lairs, Serialized Cards, Different Art printings, etc

[twilit canyon]

yea cus ppl love the shiny alt arts

pokemon does this extremely well

[golden plover]

Because outside of serialized cards (a sports card thing), pokemon has done all of them and they work really well there

[twilit canyon]

and honestly for however much flack secret lairs get they are perfect for this

[golden plover]

Tbh tho, I wish it meant we got the other effect of it too

In pokemon, a standard deck is DIRT CHEAP

To actually play competitively, it's like $40-$50

Because the alt arts are what sells, so the base decks are cheap as hell

[twilit canyon]

that + also cus again like almost nobody plays competitive pokemon

if the demand for competitive pokemon was as big as competitive magic, prices would 100% go up

not to the same degree bc of their reprints

[golden plover]

Ehh pokemon has a much better reprint policy

[twilit canyon]

but it would still go up by a lot

[golden plover]

And they also do crazy stuff like once a year reprinting like 4 meta decks for $20 each

[twilit canyon]

its a similar deal with runeterra

[golden plover]

And those come with a code you can use in the online equivalent too. Fucking crazy

[twilit canyon]

where the game itself can get away with being really cheap

bc it has to

[polar lake]

30*

[golden plover]

Oh are they $30 now?

[twilit canyon]

the competition would not allow them to survive if they werent as f2p friendly

[golden plover]

I feel like they used to be $20

[polar lake]

i thought they've always been 30?

[copper pecan]

ptcgo is garbage

[golden plover]

I could have sworn I bought Pikarom for 20

[polar lake]

might've been on sale

cause msrp of them are 29.99

[golden plover]

I mean, Arena isn't much better than the new ptcgo client

Ah gotcha

Also, the ptcgo client allows for trading

[polar lake]

but when i see them at gamestop they're always like 15 - 20

[copper pecan]

trading only works in digital card games if there's artificial scarcity

[golden plover]

I mean I'd take anything over arena's system

Dusting, trading, something

[copper pecan]

i'd take arena's system over trading

[polar lake]

i feel like WOTC tried to do what pokemon did with their challenger decks but they were just kind of lack luster

[twilit canyon]

100% arena's system over trading

or dusting

dusting fucking sucks

lol

[copper pecan]

having there be a hard cap on how many copies of a card can exist is way worse than the wildcard system

[twilit canyon]

one of my big draws away from master duel was dusting

[polar lake]

idk PTCG Live's system is so good imo

[copper pecan]

mtgo's system is so much worse than arena it boggles my mind when people say it's somehow better

[golden plover]

Back in high school I remember getting into ptcgo and starting out winning structure deck tournaments (you got a copy of each new structure deck for free) and using the prizes from that to build meta decks

[polar lake]

i think they say its better cause theres actually good formats on there

[twilit canyon]

such as?

/s

[polar lake]

legacy, vintage, commander, modern, pioneer

ACTUAL PAUPER

[twilit canyon]

u lost me at legacy, vintage, commandder, and pioneer

[copper pecan]

there are good formats on arena too though and it doesn't make it impossible to play without spending money

[twilit canyon]

modern and pauper tho

great formats

also no yeah

[copper pecan]

also commander with randos on the internet sounds terrible

[twilit canyon]

standard, alchemy, historic, and timeless are absolutely some of the best formats in magic atm

standard not as much

[polar lake]

also i believe Canadian Highlander is supported on MTGO

[twilit canyon]

but alchemy, historic, and timeless are insanely good

play patterns on them are great

[polar lake]

alchemy is eugh to me with the digital only cards

i never touched it

[golden plover]

I dunno, I was just talking about how earlier timeless is impossible to play without spending a ton of money/WCs

[copper pecan]

it's like borderline impossible to play standard on mtgo when sheoldred is 70 tickets per copy

[twilit canyon]

those digital-only cards do 99% of the work to make it fun

alchemy's way of handling the play-draw discrepancy should be studied for all other magic formats

[polar lake]

if i wanted wacky effects like that i would play Hearthstone

[twilit canyon]

they arent wacky effects

[golden plover]

Stuff like standard is more playable, but timeless is fucked until they inevtiably re-release all the staples as commons when they stop making money

[copper pecan]

what's wacky about them

[twilit canyon]

they are professionally designed effects by in-house designers

[polar lake]

although, Timeless does give Lightning Bolt into the format 👀

[twilit canyon]

designed with the exact cards from the set they are a part of

[copper pecan]

the same people who make the regular sets also make the alchemy ones

[twilit canyon]

yeah its not a b team

its the same team working on sets

[polar lake]

i just want good ol standard format FNMs back ngl

[twilit canyon]

alchemy ixalan is one of the best card drop sets bc of how great every single card in the set is at supporting play style variety

[golden plover]

Imo my two biggest issues with alchemy cards are that a decent bit don't feel necessary (draft and perpetual feel stapled on a lot of the time) and that the wording is stupid trying to copy real wording

[twilit canyon]

its no longer an issue for feeling uncessary

[golden plover]

"Intensity" and "Boons" being my issues there

[copper pecan]

what's wrong with those?

[twilit canyon]

they have done an incredible job at making those cards feel way better

intensity and boons are great though

[copper pecan]

boons are a great mechanic

[twilit canyon]

like really good

[polar lake]

i feel what needs to happen is there needs to be a good incentive and link for Digital players to play irl mtg, and irl mtg players to play arena

[golden plover]

"You get a one-time boon with" could be trimmed off every single time

Just make it "The next time you"

It's the digital client keeping track, you don't have to specify all that extra text

[copper pecan]

there are cards that care about boons

[twilit canyon]

hmmm no thats not true

digital can keep track yes

but

you do still need textual clarity on the effects

[copper pecan]

i don't see how boons are any worse than emblems are

[twilit canyon]

and unifying it under x-time boon is a design choice

since it creates an expecation and a set of keywords to look for

[golden plover]

Emblems are a lot rarer and were always a solution to a problem instead of the best way to do it

Boons are fine, but they feel too wordy imo

[twilit canyon]

"the next time" is a lot harder to parse this in a sentence

and make it stick as part of the mechanic

its the reasoning behind keywords

but in sentence form

[golden plover]

Same with:
"starting intensity = X
Effect
Increase intensity"

[copper pecan]

"when this enters the battlefield, the next time you do a thing" is a lot more confusing than "when this enters the battlefield, you get a boon with"

[twilit canyon]

correct

boons also are able to specify in-game logic

the next time you do, doesnt

[golden plover]

I dunno, it just comes off too wordy and makes it annoying to read them the few times I've seen both

[twilit canyon]

starting intensity is already worded that way though?

[[static discharge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/j21/25/static-discharge

Static Discharge <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Starting intensity 3
Static Discharge deals damage equal to its intensity to any target, then perpetually increase the intensity of all cards you own named Static Discharge by 1.

[golden plover]

Nah that's what I'm saying

Intensity is worded weird

[twilit canyon]

how?

[copper pecan]

how would you word it

[golden plover]

It makes sense within magic wording, but it's clunky

Honestly LoR's approach for that works really well

It just highlights the number and adds one

[twilit canyon]

thats not confusing at all

[golden plover]

It's fine when you can hover over the card in a digital format

[copper pecan]

i'd very much prefer the cards actually say what they do

[twilit canyon]

right thats what intensity cards do as well with view original

because that shit can matter

the mechanic itself isnt so simple that u can just do the lightning bolt text on it

[golden plover]

So like here, when you play Tybaulk, your hate spikes light the 2 up to say 3 in orange instead

[twilit canyon]

or counterspell text

[golden plover]

Intensity is fine, but it feels clunky when the digital client can track it

[copper pecan]

the client does track it

[twilit canyon]

yea thats how arena handles perpetual and intensity

im not sure how this is a problem

if u cast static discharge, it will have the og text

the next static discharge u draw will say intensity 4

same with perpetual effects

[golden plover]

It's not a problem really, it just feels like extra text that's only there because it's trying to copy physical wording

[twilit canyon]

yes thats the point

[copper pecan]

if they didn't try to copy the physical wording you would be complaining about them doing that too

[twilit canyon]

magic still has paper elements to them

the way magic as a game works even digital designs work off the established game rules of the paper game

[polar lake]

i kind of wish commander isn't like the main go-to casual format

should've been pauper

[twilit canyon]

real

and true

commander kinda fucking sucks lol

[polar lake]

Hasbro really beat Scrooge in laying off the most employees during the holidays

[trail anvil]

I feel like commander's funness depends on the pod you play in

[twilit canyon]

its simple

[trail anvil]

some games are super fun, some less so

[twilit canyon]

if u play a cedh pod: fun
if you dont: 30/70 on fun factor

[polar lake]

pauper edh tho 👀

pauper edh fun

[trail anvil]

well you definitely can't complain about power level with cedh at least

[copper pecan]

society if the starting life total in edh was 25 insteadd of 40

[polar lake]

ehh 30

[twilit canyon]

i think 30 would have been a good number

[polar lake]

thats what it is in pauper commander

[copper pecan]

having 3 players already makes aggro decks weak as is, there was no reason to also make the life total super high on top of that

[twilit canyon]

the alternative was to make insane aggro cards

they only really succeeded like 3 times so far

najeela, winota, and arguably kalamax

naturally amazing aggressive cards that reward proactive play

winota is funny in her proactiveness since she goes proactive to slow the game down

[copper pecan]

personally i really like the new aurelia

[polar lake]

judge's familliar at common

[dense berry]

winota is the only good stax in cedh and people respect her too much now so she's kinda fallen off like the rest

[rich bronze]

Thoughts on money monkey getting unbanned in legacy down the line

[merry owl]

our playgroup houseruled starting life to 30, been playing that way for a few years, it's great

[dense berry]

oh no i get to naus for 25 cards instead of like 32

[rich bronze]

Hmm

If, hypothetically, MD followed the MTGO model

P2P with set redemption

What would y’all think

🤔

[lusty trench]

Yall if you had to pick one, mana vault or chrome mox

[twilit canyon]

mox

[fallow citrus]

it would be good

just like how mtga should have the same system

any online tcg should let you purchase singles to be able to play

[lusty trench]

Is it due to coloured mana Vs colourless, it's easy reusability, it's 0 mana cost or a combination?

[fallow citrus]

I would say the answer is all

sure it gives less mana but you get potentially any colour, it's free so you can play a 2 mana or higher spell turn 1 depending on your land etc

ancient tomb + chrome mox is insane for example

[lusty trench]

I'm moving more into cedh staples now so I figured I'd ask so I know what to prioritize first, I got a crypt coming from a friend and already have a tomb, so it's basically me deciding between the other rocks

[golden plover]

Wow that's a BAD salvage

With 3 greasefangs in hand too

[trail anvil]

F

[trail anvil]

technically mtga does, they just make you purchase a set of wildcards

and for common and uncommon ones you collect them super quick

[copper pecan]

mtgo's system makes the game way more expensive for the average player than mtga's system

[golden plover]

Depends on the format, but you can also trade decks and cards you don't want in MTGO

And also swords to plowshares isn't the same price as roaming throne

Or Blood Crypt and Lightning Bolt

[fallow citrus]

mtgo also has renting systems

and they also do all-access passes sometimes which are great

[golden plover]

Yeah that too

You can pay $5 a month for any deck you want in MTGO

[fallow citrus]

I just hate the online ccg system of "you have to randomly obtain all the cards"

[golden plover]

In Arena, it's like a flat $100 to get a new deck, minimum

[copper pecan]

one copy of sheoldred in mtgo is like $60

the only way to get any cards at all in mtgo is to pay money

and there's a limited number of any given card to go around in mtgo which makes the game way harder for people to get into

[golden plover]

You can just rent the deck

You can pay $5 a month for a modern/pauper deck, grind events, and use the rewards to actually obtain cards

In arena, I'm locked out of a format completely if I don't grind with a suboptimal deck for weeks becuase I didn't spend real money on a single set

[copper pecan]

okay but $5 is more than $0

[golden plover]

$5 is more than $0, but we're not gonna pretend f2p arena is feasible

Unless you're REALLY good at drafting

[copper pecan]

the majority of players in arena are f2p

the majority of players aren't competitive

[fallow citrus]

I'm not saying remove the option to be able to grind ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden plover]

And the majority don't have good decks and can't climb the ladder

[fallow citrus]

I would just like to be able to purchase singles/have a rental service

[golden plover]

You can grind in PTCGO and MTGO to actually own the cards in the game

Also, if I don't like a card on MTGO (say I pull a sheoldred and don't have any formats I use her in, I can trade her for a full pauper deck)

[copper pecan]

okay but the only reason they're able to do that is because they make it impossible to do f2p in those games

[golden plover]

If I pull a 3rd Sheoldred on Arena, I can't use it but it's just gonna sit there in my inventory

[golden plover]

You literally just do structure deck tournaments in PTCGO until you have packs and then trade for a deck

It's free-like $40?

In Arena, $40 doesn't get you one standard deck

[copper pecan]

i'm not saying that arena's system is perfect but making it impossible to get any more cards without spending money doesn't sound better to me

[golden plover]

PTCGO gives you free packs here and there

Events, ladder rewards, tournaments

[copper pecan]

i'd rather just have master duel's system

[golden plover]

Honestly yeah

Or LoR's

LoR lets you use in-game currency to buy wildcards

And if you craft a card and decide you don't want it, you have 2 hours to refund it

Or like 5 games, I don't remember

I dunno, MTGO isn't great, but it's unironically leagues better than Arena

[twilit canyon]

"u can just rent a deck" mfers when rental services raise prices or stop renting you because they run out cards themselves

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-no-fucking-way-omg-shocked-shock-gif-15763269853464625287

[sleek ferry]

Also, $5 a month adds up

If I played mtgo from the time I started mtga, I would be like $300 deep while owning 0 cards

[golden plover]

I mean you also own 0 cards in mtga

Your account is associated with digital cards you don't own

[twilit canyon]

i stopped playing mtgo cus rental service is both: tied to your credit score, expensive as hell during busy seasons of play, and often unable to rent you entire decks during said busy times.

[lusty trench]

tied to your credit score
I’ve never played mtgo so that sounds wild to me “yeah bud you didn’t pay dragonfiregames £5 this one time so we’re gonna have to decline your mortgage application”

[modern minnow]

How do you make your decks more casual in edh
Already not playing fast mana and tutors and budget capping myself

[glad peak]

remove your win conditions and look for cards that are 1 mana more than what you already have

[modern minnow]

My win condition is pure creature beats (no hoof or any hooflikes)

Might just be bc I'm on 5c niv idk of that commander has a reputation

[twilit canyon]

lower commander colors

[modern minnow]

yeah thats fair

[trail anvil]

what does your current deck look like?

[modern minnow]

its niv mizzet and all the non lands are draft uncommons

[trail anvil]

which niv?

[modern minnow]

reborn

[trail anvil]

oh right I guess that's the only one that makes sense with 5c creature beats

[zinc shard]

Got em

[trail anvil]

fml there's a bug on arena right now that will show that you're holding a stop even when you're not

fantastic

[trail anvil]

nice, got to it with explorer dinos?

[last glen]

yeah

not even my "dream" list
but it's gotten me this far

[trail anvil]

nice

drc is fucking busted christ

[fallow citrus]

card is the goat

[sleek ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qyWviIH0YI

[polar lake]

ngl i miss 3 set blocks

but i understand why they stopped doing them

[copper pecan]

the only one i was around for was guilds of ravnica but by the end of that i was absolutely sick of ravnica

[glad peak]

welp in a format that's no ban list modern but with the downside where you can't run interaction, what's the best deck?

it's a weird thought experiment to see how a format would devolve without any sort of interaction

which interestingly removes oko from the card pool but uro alone would probably be good enough

[golden plover]

Nexus Field shit?

[copper pecan]

i feel like it would probably be something with eldrazi

[glad peak]

probably not field, right? since the big thing with field is that it fights through all interaction while running its own

[copper pecan]

eye of ugin is a crazy card

[glad peak]

eldrazi loses wail, dismember, and tks so it's a bit harder to say that

probably eldrazi though

beans affinity is an option too

but with how the prompt is no interaction, decks like burn, trickery, and belcher get caught in the crosshairs since their win condition can technically be used to remove something from the board

[copper pecan]

oh wait no interaction? in that case it'd probably be some kind of ramp deck

[glad peak]

titan is a deck here for sure

bogles gets a huge boost too and doesn't even need to play the namesake card either

[copper pecan]

oh god yeah imagine boggles but the creature it's buffing is like

ragavan or something

or something with flying

[glad peak]

hammer time would be pretty nuts too but not sure if it'll be good enough

funny enough playing enchantress and refusing to interact with anyone is an option

[rigid scarab]

Mudkip I ask for one day where you dont project hate towards strawman edh

[glad peak]

?

This is for another format

I specified modern here since so many of the effects used in modern happen to have interaction built in to their threats nowadays

So far the forerunner is amulet bloom

[zinc shard]

[lusty trench]

Bro is filtering for filtering

[trail anvil]

ledger shredder goes hard as hell in this format, if you're playing timeless

[twilit canyon]

probably not given the creatures on board besides shredder

which

to be fair to it, is still good yes

but you dont wanna be fueling [[orcish bowmaster]] for free

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/103/orcish-bowmasters

Orcish Bowmasters <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Orc Archer
Flash
When Orcish Bowmasters enters the battlefield and whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, Orcish Bowmasters deals 1 damage to any target. Then amass Orcs 1.
1/1

[zinc shard]

Explorer

[trail anvil]

just run like 12 removal spells to deal with it

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1185555665184362536/IMG_9822.webp?ex=659009c1&is=657d94c1&hm=093ec475b072ee7b9a412f5a9036aeacd5279a0beaf5829dfefeb0381a3df542&=&format=webp&width=1088&height=662

concept art for the fomori

[hidden ermine]

[[Fomori]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Fomori”, can you be more specific?

[hidden ermine]

[[Fomori ogre]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “Fomori ogre”

[hidden ermine]

Ugh

Whats that timespiral card again

[fallow citrus]

[[fomori nomad]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/plist/130/fomori-nomad

Fomori Nomad <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Nomad Giant
4/4

[zinc shard]

[[Ruhan of the Fomori]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/221/ruhan-of-the-fomori

Ruhan of the Fomori <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Giant Warrior
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose an opponent at random. Ruhan of the Fomori attacks that player this combat if able.
Unfettered by allegiance, driven by war.
7/7

[hidden ermine]

Thanks

Fairly different huh

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwUzVDTIL7k

Holy, Turn 1 ||Braids sacrifice your only land is a power play||

[rich bronze]

@twilit canyon I beat all 3

But

I hate playing against rhinos

On creativity

[twilit canyon]

lol thats fair

tishana is brutal

and subtlety

[rich bronze]

Indeed it is

[twilit canyon]

and they play endurance

[rich bronze]

I got ridiculously lucky

[twilit canyon]

basically a deck built to beat up on something like creativity nowdays and its incidental

[rich bronze]

Creativity is far from top tier now

Yet the decks that were built to beat it are

smh

[zinc shard]

https://mtgazone.com/best-timeless-decks-week-1-meta-report/

[hidden ermine]

Wasteland isnt in Timeless right?

[twilit canyon]

nope

[hidden ermine]

Any reason to go 2 colour over 3 colour then?

I guess Bloodmoon

[twilit canyon]

blood moon

we also only hae 5 allied fetches

so not all colors can dodge bmoon with fetching all their basics

[hidden ermine]

Huh

[split prism]

hello

you all probably know me

my friend is trying to figure out what commander i would like

if you have suggestions just tell me

(i know very little about mtg i just learned how commander works yesterday)

[trail anvil]

what kind of playstyle do you like in yugioh?

can probably find you something that lines up with that

alternatively if you're willing to download mtg arena you can mess around with the starter decks and see which color piques your interest

[split prism]

i guess mostly midrange stuff or archetypes with a recurring theme that runs through their effects like how prank monsters summon more prankids, or how ~~the good ~~ watt cards can attack directly

my friend had a ninjitsu deck and i liked how most(or all idk)of the ninjas? idr what they were called had the ninjitsu ability

it gives the deck like... an identity i guess?

[last glen]

I've tried a ninjutsu deck
they currently have one as a starter deck in MTGA, I think
it's kinda slick

In MTG, I enjoy the decks built around a specific kind of interaction or strategy more, I find

than goodstuff decks

[split prism]

if you need more than that i do find combo decks fun, but I enjoy combo more if its within like an archetype or gameplay mechanic rather than just pulling a bunch of disparate pieces together

[last glen]

the term "combo" means something very different in MTG

in Yu-Gi-Oh, the "combo" part is about the material generation and getting to your desired end board
in MTG, "combo" usually refers to a specific combination of cards that win the game (either actually or functionally) when cast, and the rest of the deck revolves around finding the combination and protecting it from interaction

[zinc shard]

Well guess ik which deck im building first

[last glen]

good ol' budget monored

[golden plover]

Wait I thought Historic Brawl was permanent?

[zinc shard]

ye it is

[golden plover]

I only see Brawl and Friendly Brawl in deckbuilding

[trail anvil]

brawl is historic brawl now

[trail anvil]

you might like zombies maybe? they have a super strong gy theme and they have a lot of potent creatures

[rich bronze]

Also why did this server disable voice messages

They’re convenient

[glad peak]

Would like some more info on the decks you like in yugioh. Magic doesn’t really have much of the “in-archetype mechanics” thing unless you go deep into jank or into draft but it does have random synergies or deck types. Also commander is 4 player free for all and yugioh is 1v1 so a 1v1 format deck comparison is probably a lot easier to do first

[rich bronze]

@split prism True “Midrange” in edh or at least cedh is ehhh

Was your friend on Yuriko?

You might like yuriko

I legitimately think that trying 60 card magic by borrowing someone’s deck for a FNM is the best way to start out

Before building an edh deck

[glad peak]

I think a good type of deck for most yugioh players to start with is one that’s not usually suggested to new players: creature toolbox

[golden plover]

Remember that Loveseat fake secret lair?

We've actually reached that point

Stance socks come with a promo card

[split prism]

Prank-Kids, Abyss Actor, Pendulum Magician, Thunder Dragon, Evil Twin, Phantom Knight, Madolche, Watt,

Sunavalon(Plant Goodstuff), Atlantean/Mermail, World Chalice

Amazement, Starry Knight, Evil Eye, Witchcrafter, The Weather, F.A.,

sorted kinda? the last two sections are mainly combo or control/stun the first section idk

[split prism]

i was on yuriko

sry 4 ping, it didnt go off when i click

[clever sun]

That makes sense. Yuriko is the most popular ninja commander

[hidden ermine]

I can say that Ninjas are really fun in MTG

And they seem to line up decently well with your overall preferred playstyle?

Actually are Ninjas in EDH also a tempo-shell or does the deck play differently there?

[glad peak]

Ninjas in edh are generally uh

In yuriko specifically they’re used to draw a bunch of cards then play control or combo someone out

But that’s moreso because tempo doesn’t really exist in edh

[last glen]

threw a won game because I forgot the name of Wildgrowth Walker

grumble

[last glen]

me when
me when I Stone Brain and forget to declare banishes

[golden plover]

Oh we're living the draft dream

Drafted mostly fairyless dimir

And it's sorta working

The 6 drop blue dragon is really good in draft

[trail anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/OOkA4kRuaa

what's everyone's takes on this, what would you get a print of to hang in your home?

[hidden ermine]

[[Indestructible aura]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/chr/7/indestructible-aura

Indestructible Aura <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn.
Theodar strode the battle lines, snatching swords with his bare hands and casting them aside until all cowered before him.

[copper pecan]

i love how theodar isn't mentioned on anything else

and how this isn't an aura and doesn't give indestructible

[twilit canyon]

i already have wall scrolls for [[!counterspell|stx|78]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/78/necrotic-fumes

Necrotic Fumes

[twilit canyon]

oh right

[[!counterspell|sta|78]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sta/78/ja/対抗呪文

対抗呪文

[twilit canyon]

and [[!lightning helix|sta|125]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sta/125/ja/稲妻のらせん

稲妻のらせん

[lusty trench]

I would've preferred less anime arts, more like these

[trail anvil]

I was thinking about the woe full art island

[copper pecan]

ye that's a good one too

[golden plover]

I want Dominik Mayer's Abrade

[trail anvil]

very solid choice 👌

also forgot my girl [[!lagrella the magpie]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/196/lagrella-the-magpie

Lagrella, the Magpie

[trail anvil]

god now I get this entirely

the things people will complain about holy shit

[twilit canyon]

[dense berry]

politics are toxic in either casual or competitive edh

[glad peak]

“You hit me with a 1/1 so this is now a 1v1”

[rigid scarab]

No matter what format your in

There's always gonna be that one guy who treats commander like a social deduction game

Because "You gotta do everything you can to win"

[sleek ferry]

If you play casual with randoms there’s like a 90% chance it won’t be fun, if you got an actual friend group, you should have fun most of the time

It’s why cedh is preferred, it’s consistent as to what you will get

[rigid scarab]

It's part of why EDH is labeled as more of a board gaming experience

[dense berry]

its nice seeing cedh get less flak from the masses these last few years

the format has more than its fair share of problems but comparing it to casual edh the quality of experience is night and day

[rigid scarab]

I feel like Im like

Casual EDH's strongest soldier

I flip flop between craving for cedh and casual edh

Because Casual edh gives you a lot more freedom in deckbuilding and self-expression

[sleek ferry]

Which is fine, if you can find the right playgroup for it. But like pickup casual edh games are sadly not that

[split prism]

What does edh stand 4

[lusty trench]

Elder dragon highlander

[clever sun]

Old name for Commander yep

[dense berry]

the thing that really separates cedh is that the intentions are always up front: winning

casual edh is also about winning to most players but they wouldnt just come out and say that

[rigid scarab]

People take winning on varying degrees though

[dense berry]

there are cedh players who think the c stands for "co-op"

or worse they move the goal post back to "people having fun"

[rigid scarab]

I take it as in

Changing "Do whatever it takes to win"

to "Do WHATEVER it takes to win"

Cedh at the end of the day is still a casual format

[dense berry]

in cedh the goalpost is so defined that when politics happen its almost always somebody manipulating and gaslighting an opponent to throw in a way that benefits them

[rigid scarab]

And some people may not want to play edh to be met with gaslighting and mental warfare

Obviously base magic rules is almost all for it

But I think edh is a different beast

[dense berry]

i dont think the gaslighting and asking players to essentially concede actually has a place in the format

[rigid scarab]

That reminds me of a really funny scenario

[dense berry]

when we're playing a spin off of a casual format with the intention of playing to win

[rigid scarab]

Someone stacked Approach to the top of their deck and had Rhystic up

And literally asked the player to please let him win

(In a joking manner obviously)

[dense berry]

thats a pretty extreme example

by far the most common example i see in tournaments is kinnan players saying "dont worry i cant win you should save that kill spell for one of their threats instead of this useless kinnan"

[sleek ferry]

I do think the thing that I dislike the most about casual is how much of a stigma there is to winning unless it’s a janky way

[rich bronze]

When was the last time we had an in-print standard-legal card at $100 for the basic printing on CK/SCG

Baby jace?

[hidden ermine]

Did Oko not reach 100$?

[golden plover]

Oko was like $60 a pop at peak

It got banned fast enough it didn't stay that expensive

[hidden ermine]

Then I dont think any card has since one of the Jaces

[twilit canyon]

i cant wait to talk about shelly the way we talk about jtms now

washed

[rich bronze]

JTMS still good

Tho

Not as good but good and played in multiple eternal formats

[twilit canyon]

i think slotting jace in a deck/sb is pure cope

especially in an obm world

[rich bronze]

From where I’m standing, snappy is a staple!

[hidden ermine]

Obm?

[twilit canyon]

orcish bowmasters

[rich bronze]

These guys

[hidden ermine]

Ah, that makes sense

Ye I know the card

I just didnt see the abbreviation yet

[twilit canyon]

jace -> 0 -> obm flash in

goodbye jace

[rich bronze]

They really didn’t need to give them flash

This is like the dash on ragavan

Making an already good card too good

[twilit canyon]

or made it bb casting cost

[rich bronze]

RG

Make sure none of the decks that want it, get it

[twilit canyon]

goblin archer for u sick fucks that like goblins

rg decks would love it

[rich bronze]

Actually I wonder if that’d power some Jund W6 OBM deck

Well, I guess Jund plays OBM anyways

and W6 for that matter

[twilit canyon]

yeah lmao

[golden plover]

Oh god I can't imagine what the game is gonna look like by the time Shelly is considered bad

[dense berry]

its not gonna take that long

shes just over stat for a mid curve / top ender

[sudden lava]

when do card reveals start back up again?

[golden plover]

https://twitter.com/Em_TeeGee/status/1736877001355722911?s=20Re

So if we ever get another dual walker card with the wanderer, she gets a PW type

[copper pecan]

not for like a month

[twilit canyon]

lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

opp won the game then didnt

[fallow citrus]

wait what did they do

[twilit canyon]

they tried to pact after oracle

but i had a t3feri in play

[fallow citrus]

oh lmfaoo

[sudden lava]

ah ok

[trail anvil]

lmao trying to get fancy

[dense berry]

mtg combos are utterly brain dead and still people manage to muck them up its unreal

[golden plover]

Hmm do I go Simic or Selsenya

Azorius isn't that good in WOE and Gruff Triplets secures we go green

Archive Dragon is also kinda huge

I think Simic is the move

Actually Princess takes flight is an insane card too

https://www.simplyhired.com/job/ljRoeATEvQfuDwTUxiZaRV1Xs4C7ospaXtZJu6VUMYH3eJEMvmId_A

Oh cool...

They're hiring AI artists for MTG

[trail anvil]

bruh

[golden plover]

Well ai corrections

But that's still fucked up

[hidden ermine]

Uhhh

Where do you see AI here?

[golden plover]

It's not outright stated as ai but "using your digital retouching tools is 'hide the ai hands and other weird details'"

[hidden ermine]

Uh

Are you sure?

That seems like youre reading into it because thats not what I would've guessed

[golden plover]

Not necesarrily just that, but do note that WOTC artists are commissioned

[trail anvil]

is that not to make full arts out of cropped arts or animations for existing cards?

[hidden ermine]

Yeah that was my guess

Stuff like promos

[golden plover]

Probably that too yeah. Just a weird listing to throw up there to emphasize photoshop retouching

[trail anvil]

why not get the original artist to do that though

[golden plover]

Good question

When I asked Daarken about the Baldur's Gate card backgrounds he said someone else did them

[hidden ermine]

Availability or consistency maybe

[golden plover]

It's weird to bring on people whose whole job is to edit art

[trail anvil]

honestly this looks like someone who's just retouching art from the looks of it?

i.e. making card styles

[golden plover]

True, forgot about card styles when I saw the listing, but it reads sus either way

[twilit canyon]

digital retouching is normal

this is heavy reach

[dense berry]

they already have AI art in the game have you seen the new My Little Pony cards

[copper pecan]

this looks like they're just hiring an editor

okay yeah looking at the job listing this is literally just them hiring an editor

this probably isn't an ai thing

[fallow citrus]

https://vxtwitter.com/Em_TeeGee/status/1736877001355722911?t=I_tTE5fTOCEA0PQiaqdAvw&s=19

[rigid scarab]

The second most financially demanding card in mtg

[sleek ferry]

This card is cool

And the art is gorgeous

[dense berry]

this is probably cedh playable

it discounts senseis divining top

[sudden lava]

that is a cool commander

[glad peak]

Missed opportunity for type to be wanderer kaito

But yeah very interesting card

[golden plover]

I know why they put Wanderer in the type, but it should have just been "Kaito" imo

[golden plover]

That's because dual walker type lines are in alphabetical order

Although I'm pretty sure [[The Royal Scions]] broke that rule

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/199/the-royal-scions

The Royal Scions <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Planeswalker — Will Rowan
+1: Draw a card, then discard a card.
+1: Target creature gets +2/+0 and gains first strike and trample until end of turn.
−8: Draw four cards. When you do, The Royal Scions deals damage to any target equal to the number of cards in your hand.
Loyalty: 5

[lusty trench]

Murders of karlov manor draft promos

[golden plover]

Oh it's the dude from the app

Weird they're all commander cards for the standard set tho

[lusty trench]

wotc what does that mean

I'm hopefully reading this as you can use it for referencing and that's it

[hidden ermine]

That was my guess

Either referencing or theyre using it for concept art, but that would be really shitty

[glad peak]

I was already expecting them to use it for concept art tbh

[lusty trench]

If your cynical it could explain the ass anime arts we've seen recently

[golden plover]

Tbh I sorta feel like the virtue cycle from WOE is also edited ai art

Loyalty has that AI lighting

It might just be that it's small on a card, but it looks vaguely like it was ai concept touched up

[hidden ermine]

I really dont see it

[golden plover]

Piotr's lighting is typically a little more in depth than here

It just looks sorta out of place compared to most of his works

It could go either way and it doesn't help that I can't find the art off the card, so maybe just it being in a small frame makes it look weird

[fallow citrus]

feel like we're reaching as soon as we see the words AI

[golden plover]

Like I said, it's probably not, it just looks different than his usual art

[hidden ermine]

Same

In all honesty I think youre a bit too paranoid wrt AI art

[trail anvil]

alph I think you're doing to art as conservatives do to trans people

[golden plover]

True, shouldn't worry about it as much I guess

[trail anvil]

except AI art is an actual concern so probably not the best simile

[dense berry]

this is corpo speak for saying AI will be used for sure

but i dont necessarily think thats a bad thing

so long as theyre careful to not let it decrease the quality of the final product

[copper pecan]

"we will not do this thing" is not corpo speak for "we will do this thing" chief, come on

[dense berry]

true but they said "we will not do this thing in a specific sense"

you got corpo speaked

thats why they do it

[twilit canyon]

ai assisting tools arent written off from the actual creation process

[dense berry]

they shouldn't be

[twilit canyon]

hence the mention that it wont be

not that they will accept ai art as the final product

[dense berry]

would much rather have ai generated backgrounds than art theft backgrounds like the current status quo

[twilit canyon]

i would rather have neither

and wotc can take a stance to ensure that neither will be prevalent

[dense berry]

well I reason out that ai in art is a tool

[twilit canyon]

yes but not quite

[dense berry]

much like digital art programs are tool(boxes)

[twilit canyon]

theres a big difference with using ai tools as part of the creation process and using ai to generate finished product

[dense berry]

yes

[twilit canyon]

the former, is frankly a bit normal a process for a fair bit of artists in the professional field within reason

the latter shouldnt be involved in the process at all

[dense berry]

if its just being compared to using like preset gradients in photoshop then who cares

[hidden ermine]

I mean isnt smoothing out lines technically AI?

[copper pecan]

why do people think that [[oracle of the alpha]] is broken

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/4/oracle-of-the-alpha

Oracle of the Alpha <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
When Oracle of the Alpha enters the battlefield, conjure the Power Nine into your library, then shuffle.
Whenever Oracle of the Alpha attacks, scry 1.
2/3

[copper pecan]

it's not good outside of rusko decks specifically

[lusty trench]

Power nine scary

[golden plover]

My opponent when I draft rats in WOE draft

The rat deck is actually crazy unique for a draft deck and feels really good to play

[twilit canyon]

adapted a timeless deck im playing for the artisan event

its kinda gas

[trail anvil]

looks like gas

become immense seems crazy honestly

TIL this infinite combo

[twilit canyon]

yea it is its a neat little combo

i ran it a while back

[trail anvil]

in general first day of class is a pretty redonkulous card

I'm the lifegain deck now

[fallow citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SG5JiDQcf4
holy

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq4qYw3IitM&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

TIER ZOO

[stark skiff]

Kyle Hill on TCC is always a blast. Time to watch lol

yo this command zone intro is already hilarious lmfao

[dense berry]

https://youtu.be/aDRcnGmJpl4

[sudden lava]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1066605514466799616/1187210372101451837/image.png?ex=65960ed2&is=658399d2&hm=1f1ac79cc39521ced84f30df73d7bcc0d4de5902d8810c0eb8591f1addd172be&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2400&height=540

https://tenor.com/view/big-yes-hive-hivechat-community-doctor-who-gif-18421199

Blast from the Past precon in the christmas presents!

Thats 2 out of 4 Doctor Who precons in the collection 😄

[sleek ferry]

I just ordered all the dr who decks myself

[sudden lava]

I hope to one day have all 4 plus the Regeneration SL

[sleek ferry]

I still need the warhammer precons, I own 0

[sudden lava]

I already got a extended art copy of the first doctor off the collector sample pack, that's going right into my BFTP precon.

[trail anvil]

this deck is some serious gas

if you survive the early game you outvalue anything it feels like

[trail anvil]

you genuinely need bath song to avoid decking out from beanstalk in grindier matchups lmao

[lusty trench]

Heck yeah my John Avon secret lair is here tomorrow

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW5PDJf-wKI&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

New Extra Turns

[trail anvil]

slogurk pog

oh shit, dirt cheap mystical archives styles

[fallow citrus]

oh that rocks

[clever sun]

Timeless has been out for a while now. What has everyone been playing those who have?

[trail anvil]

izzet phoenix

I've been seeing a ton of that (cause it's cheap) and a lot of death's shadow

[clever sun]

Death's Shadow is good

There's very little wrong with the lists. I have a few brews of the deck. Grixis, Dimir, and Non-White Shadow are all pretty much good

[twilit canyon]

i created my own little power rankings for what i have seen and played so far

s tier: izzet tempo, rbx lurrus, sneak attack, sultai midrange, 4c/5c omnath midrange

a tier: domain zoo, gruul prowess, temur tempo, temur prowess

b tier: jeskai control, 4c/5c yorion, tainted pact, kethis, song storm

c tier: azorius control, phoenix, esper control, gruul ponza, rakdos necropotence

d tier: golgari storm, field of the dead ramp, 4c/5c reclamation

f tier: simic reclamation, dimir necropotence

shadow is in the lurrus piles

[trail anvil]

damn song storm really in b?

[twilit canyon]

especially in bo1

the deck is quite potent

though idt its insane and is prone to fall off

but can be a deck that receives prominent buffs

[rich bronze]

So my LGS is finally offloading their ZNR boxes lol

In an interesting way

Every fee is just under 5€

8 pods of 8, single elimination BO3
2-1 +1 pack
3-0 +2 packs
Top 8, single elimination BO3
Top 2 gets 2 toppers
Top 1 gets 4 toppers

Honestly participating is just a good deal tbh

[sleek ferry]

Collectors? Those boxes were insane

But even the set booster boxes with the old list ratios were pretty nuts also

[lusty trench]

Secret lair emrakul arrived today

It wasn't bent

[glad peak]

now bend her

[lusty trench]

[fallow citrus]

spaghetti is bendy why not make emrakul bendy too

[sudden lava]

I may have peeked at a Christmas card, 100 dollars for Amazon.

add in me already owning Timeywimey and seeing the Blast from the Past precon being ordered, I have a good idea on what Im throwing that money on.

https://mktg-assets.tcgplayer.com/content/opengraph/how-to-upgrade-who-commander-precons-mtg.jpg

I shall have all the Doctor Who UB cards (other then alt arts and the Secret Lair, for now)

Note paradox powers/masters of evil sell for 40 each on amazon

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1187853750711353474/8512f2c1-6361-4b79-843f-80b6bceeeb99.png?ex=65986603&is=6585f103&hm=b474a5deed6b1bfba96bd86f0bbbceaf293cbfb1d5c33841f885d989a436ae2e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=475&height=662

most fucked up rules text of all time

[zinc shard]

Wha... is that supposed to say discarded?

[copper pecan]

probably?

[golden plover]

It's CARD ed

[glad peak]

You ask all of them for their IDs and throw out whoever cannot

[zinc shard]

man idk why Arena hates this deck

[stark skiff]

Nice video. Liked the decks they each used

[copper pecan]

thinking about building yawgmoth for edh but as a skeleton typal deck

[zinc shard]

my poor wallet..

[pulsar talon]

Arc V moment

[rich bronze]

Never ending cycle

Tiled playing MD -> play MTGO -> Tiled playing MTGO -> play MD - Tilted playing MD -> …

What do

[zinc shard]

get off the games

spend some time outside

[pulsar talon]

Play duel links instead

It will make you hate ccgs so much you will never enter the cycle again

[golden plover]

Duel Links SUCKS lmao

[dense berry]

they all suck it turns your hobby into a chore

[golden plover]

True. Especially if you wanna keep up card wise

[trail anvil]

I respect the hell out of this dude for building zurgo & ojutai as dragon tribal instead of control

I think they would've lost either way cause I drew the nuts, but I hope they continue repping dragons

[sudden lava]

they price bumped MOE up enough that I cant afford it plus sleeves 😦
so got Paradox powers plus 2 packages of dragonshield sleeves instead

[zinc shard]

I dont think i hav e a way to win this

actually

i can deck them

nvm

[violet umbra]

[zinc shard]

ok game

[rich bronze]

MTGO not really

It’s a pay to play platform

No grind

[dense berry]

mtgo is a digital tcg not a ccg

[trail anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/s/lWnrsZGiYj "am I the only one mad at this mwm" no you aren't, literally every one of these somebody complains

[pulsar talon]

Me when a game doesn't do everything in its power to appeal to me specifically

[dense berry]

i knew i hated the way arena is run when i gave it a fair shot so i left

[golden plover]

I mean tbf that is kinda frustrating to not be able to play the midweek event because it limits the pool in a way most people don't have

[trail anvil]

it literally takes 3 wins, and you just play some jank budget aggro pile that functions better than the other people who are also running some bad shit because they haven't gotten most khans cards

which is also the exact same response that goes under each one of these threads

[trail anvil]

christmas haul

[zinc shard]

ayy

[sleek ferry]

Damn they really compacted the boxes down

[rich bronze]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1PCpbwO4Zv/?igsh=MXVnd2l1b3p6bXVoeQ==

elder_dingus

Eminence is dumb

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What does this mean

[zinc shard]

I assume they lost to [[The Ur Dragon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/361/the-ur-dragon

The Ur-Dragon <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Avatar
Eminence — As long as The Ur-Dragon is in the command zone or on the battlefield, other Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
Flying
Whenever one or more Dragons you control attack, draw that many cards, then you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.
10/10

[rich bronze]

Eminescence?

[zinc shard]

Eminence is a keyword some commanders have. It gives them effects that they can use from the Command Zone

[rich bronze]

Oh this is commander?

[zinc shard]

Ye

[rich bronze]

I am barely in touch with MTG I just heard Commander is the best

And most fun

And I am not sure if I've seen it in tourneys

[zinc shard]

Commanders more of a casual format.

[twilit canyon]

commander is fucking dogshit lol

its super group dependent and if u dont have a good group, casual edh is super hit or miss

[rich bronze]

Didn't some commander players have fucking Post Malone with them

[twilit canyon]

yes

[rich bronze]

Also isn't this fella 9 mana?

[twilit canyon]

commander is the most popular casual format

that doesnt matter

emminence means it has an ability from the command zone without ever being in play

[[edgar markov]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/36/edgar-markov

Edgar Markov <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Knight
Eminence — Whenever you cast another Vampire spell, if Edgar Markov is in the command zone or on the battlefield, create a 1/1 black Vampire creature token.
First strike, haste
Whenever Edgar Markov attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on each Vampire you control.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

[[inalla]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/38/inalla-archmage-ritualist

Inalla, Archmage Ritualist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Eminence — Whenever another nontoken Wizard enters the battlefield under your control, if Inalla, Archmage Ritualist is in the command zone or on the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of that Wizard. The token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
Tap five untapped Wizards you control: Target player loses 7 life.
4/5

[twilit canyon]

they can just exist in the command zone without ever being cast and they work

these cards outside of inalla are really mediocre

eminence is a strong ability with incredibly mediocre commanders tacked onto it

outside of inalla, they are just not good

but the ability as a whole shouldnt be printed onto more commanders in the future unless they are purposefully made weak like edgar and ur-dragon

they can never print another inalla again

granted shes not even the most overpowered grixis commander

[trail anvil]

which one is, kess?

[twilit canyon]

kess is a good call

though the general consensus for playing 3c midrange commanders is to ditch them in favor of a 4th color

however valuable ur 3c commander is, if its trying to midrange, ditch them and play tymna thrasios or tymna kraum

[copper pecan]

the only reason ur dragon is fine is because most dragons cost like 5+ mana

if a type with cheaper creatures got a card like ur dragon it would be way too good

[twilit canyon]

eminence elves

[dense berry]

i thought they meant Eminence gaming like the ones who host the larger cedh tournaments

[rigid scarab]

Edgar and Ur Dragon are incredibly powerful in casual edh

Much like how Tymna Thrasios isnt that strong in casual edh

[twilit canyon]

i heavily disagree even in a casual setting

they are very good but not incredibly powerful

[rigid scarab]

I was just going against mediocre

I live to disagree

The one everyone agrees is mid is the uh

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900499941359767582/1189011522094112788/image.png?ex=659c9c45&is=658a2745&hm=fbca99a28a74daaef526e46ee824f661e2945092a140726e828644edea2583a5&

[rigid scarab]

The cat one

[rigid scarab]

Those are two very powerful Ornithopters. Nothing to see here

[dense berry]

eminence is an inherently amazing line of text

[twilit canyon]

its broken but very cool i agree

[golden plover]

Edgar is by far the best vampire tribal commander

But only because they others all suck, he's in the best colors, and you never actually play him

[sudden lava]

They are vampires, sucking is what they do.

[dense berry]

do nothing tribal

[sudden lava]

Meanwhile I recently got the urge to run Alistair as my bant historic matters commander

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf952d23-291d-42fa-8f2a-e4002a04b95f.jpg?1696636676

get all the soldiers out and buff em big

[rigid scarab]

Testing out Jhoira for cedh on TTS

One day I need to order some proxies

cEDH is probably the only format I'd willingly proxy in unfort

I dont got the mental to proxy in casual

[glad peak]

Which jhoira?

Apparently the latest one is somewhat playable as another KCI combo + instant speed artifact pile list

[rigid scarab]

The old (better) one

I like deep draw

[glad peak]

Tbh great choice for a first deck in cedh

Well, at least a deck I would bring people into cedh with

[rigid scarab]

Oh I've played cedh before

(Chatterfang, Gitrog, Etali, Rocco)

I just picked up jhoira bc she looked cool

[glad peak]

Wait what was the chatterfang list like

[rigid scarab]

Uh

Bad

And not good

It won sometimes

But those times were different

[glad peak]

Huh

I remember hearing about random win cons pile chatterfang but never looked into it

[rigid scarab]

Theres Chatterfang Hulk

But my list just prayged for Plunderer access

And [insert payoff here]

[dense berry]

i wanna sell my entire collection and get chinese quality proxies tbh

[clever sun]

I've been cooking in Timeless now that I have some time

[trail anvil]

enigma jewel

[clever sun]

One of tech to Whir into play to ritual the abilities of Retrofitter Foundry and Garden to copy Foundry

My kingdom for an Urza's Saga

[trail anvil]

budget deck going hard in this event I did have genuinely perfect draws for all their bombs

[trail anvil]

bruh I floated a fucking mana for peatland and autotapper still decided to use another land

the fuck? lmao

[last glen]

Leisurely walking to my PC to try to cash one of these codes in

Also shit I haven't been checking MTGA daily because of Stardew Valley
I hope the Jurassic Park arts aren't gone

Cashed in the top code
Big thanks

[trail anvil]

redeemed the second code, ty len

[sudden lava]

Woah got a good pull from my doctor who sample pack

Extended art holo weeping angel, and Tardis showcase 8th Doctor

[violet umbra]

Hi people. I'm new on here and joined to maybe find some yugioh related answers but I primarily play mtg.

legacy and modern specifically but I may try commander this next year

[rigid scarab]

Dont tell me these are real

[violet umbra]

they're real

legacy is my favorite format, and my pet deck is BUG delver

I also play DS of various colors in modern and legacy, UR delver, bug control, and whatever janky fun stuff

[rigid scarab]

Holy

[barren cairn]

[sleek ferry]

Holy, man could pay my rent and mortgage for a good 6 months

[trail anvil]

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/zfGN5BSMEjA?si=YL-8oz3Ck0fsZVmS

[sudden lava]

Might be playing my first game of commander at locals today, haven't been to a locals for MTG ever so anyhow which deck should I bring? My blast from the bast precon or paradox powers precon? (Both have a few card adjustments)

[rich bronze]

What's a 7?

[glad peak]

Yes

A 7 will range from a deck weaker than a precon to tournament level optimal decks

(Partially a meme but it’s also subjective)

[rich bronze]

I saw a post

About Osthma

Or some green guy

And he did a wombo combo and got him real big

[glad peak]

Omnath?

[clever sun]

Probably Omnath

[glad peak]

But yeah there’s a meme that a 7 power level is literally anything for a reason

[sleek ferry]

It’s not a meme

Its factual