this deck is relatively ( by leagcy standards ) cheap too
#Magic the Gathering
rich bronze
hidden ermine
Please dont ping me on every reply
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sudden lava
unfortunately baldric isnt smiling 
but you can give it to pinkie for some protection
dense berry
[[skeletal grimace]] does
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Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has "
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"And then I realized we all have skeletons on the inside. Why wait until the bodies are dead to control them?" —Jadar, ghoulcaller of Nephalia
copper pecan
extremely good bottom 5 this week
the silent hill card has got to be one of the all time worst
trail anvil
holy shit this is genuinely all terrible
I feel like a few of these tend to be just color breaks but man
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Destroy All Creatures
Next turn, all creatures must attack
copper pecan
i love how james makes 5 different tokens and then doesn't tell you what any of them are
hidden ermine
My eyes glazed over at James the Guilty
Like I got halfway through the text and I already dont understand what it does
trail anvil
>Destroy All Creatures
>Next turn, all creatures must attack
don't forget 4 mana steal all nonland permanents on a mardu saga
genuinely what was their thought process
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"I want to adapt the four horsemen as a saga" is my guess
strong quartz
Flavor win
twilit canyon
yea what is this
copper pecan
but shouldn't death be the last one and conquest be the first
twilit canyon
conquest, war, famine, death
hidden ermine
but shouldn't death be the last one and conquest be the first
Pretty sure most groupings are death first and conquest last
Though yes the "correct" grouping is what Misty said
Assuming you go in order of the seals
twilit canyon
yea i went by order of the seals
hidden ermine
Im going by like
Popular depictions ig?
Like I swear the most famous work on the four horsemen had death first
(Artwork)
Anyway in this instance I assume its at least some thought involved for gameplay
twilit canyon
john's revelation is whats important here
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Having conquest go first and then death would be weird
You steal their stuff, then you destroy something you already stole?
twilit canyon
first comes the white horse carrying a bow and is known as conquest
then comes the red rider with the sword known as war
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Vs destroying creatures and planeswalkers and then stealing artifacts and enchantments
The odd one is war because ... yeah wtf is that gonna do
twilit canyon
the third, a food merchant riding a black horse known as famine who carries the scales
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But I assume they wanted it to be a wrath with upside (?)
twilit canyon
the fourth is the pale white rider known as death
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Realistically if I were to "fix" this design
Id probably change the order to war, pestilence, death and conquest (for gameplay reasons), make the cust at least WUBR (and probably WUBR2) and go from there?
twilit canyon
the way u could order this effect would be
stage 1: gain control of all creatures target player controls
stage 2: all creatures in play are goaded
stage 3: all creatures are given -1/-1 counters on them
stage 4: exile all creatures in play and in graveyards
hidden ermine
That would make it make more sense gameplay-wise, be less absurdly busted and more in-colour
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the way u could order this effect would be
stage 1: gain control of all creature...
Stage 3 feels a bit weak and sorta at odds with stage 1
I guess its weak because of how at odds it is
twilit canyon
yes
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But I also dunno how to implement famine as anything but -X/-X flavourwise
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Land destruction but they dont print land destruction
twilit canyon
starvation would be -1/-1 counters or -x/-x until end of turn
but at that case, that steps on war and death's stages
death a little less
imo the riders would be legendary creatures
can make it a cycle even by sneaking in pestilence the other name for conquest
twilit canyon
mmm i guess
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[[Famine Incarnate]]
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Legendary Creature — Avatar
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of creatures. This spell costs 
less to cast for each creature sacrificed this way.
When Torgaar, Famine Incarnate enters the battlefield, up to one target player's life total becomes half their starting life total, rounded down.
7/6
hidden ermine
I mean its an enchantment that steals their board on ETB
Its gonna be a flavour thing that wont see play outside of Draft I think
Because it cant be much cheaper than omniscience
hidden ermine
True, but I think Timmy sagas are fine to have sometimes
twilit canyon
i mean yeah
flavorful stuff and all
i know some ppl argued for a bit that the elemental rider cycle from m20 was the 4 horsemen basically
hidden ermine
Its a stretch honestly
twilit canyon
but its thrown off by white and green's cycle
red being war sure
hasting stuff in
dealing damage as it dies
sure
black being famine
sure
i guess
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Though black looks more Death visually
twilit canyon
yup
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Blue one is odd too tbh
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Yeah especially because magic references are generally like
twilit canyon
if id do a horsemen cycle
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Not subtle
Theyd be avatars I assume?
I think thats the cardtype
Creature type
twilit canyon
yes
avatars is basically perfect
white = death and it exiles
blue = conquest and its a mind control
black = famine and its either life drain or massive life loss for both
red = war and it likely goads/acts of treasons stuff with some burn
green = pestilence and it involves going wide with plague creatures
its how id do it i think
i also like the idea that the horsemen are sequential so they go up the mana curve
green and blue ones being the cheapest with white being the most expensive
hidden ermine
Act of treason has the issue of overlapping and goading is kinda ... weak
But at the same time
Its the red card in the cycle soooo
twilit canyon
lmfao
yeah
nah nah u can make the red in the cycle really good dont get it twisted
hidden ermine
You can it happens sometimes
twilit canyon
but i do like the idea that one of them has to suck
hidden ermine
Urabrask was like the worst of his cycle ... I wanna say twice?
hidden ermine
white = death and it exiles
blue = conquest and its a mind control
black = famin...
Also Im surprised you went with life-loss rather than -X/-X
For black
twilit canyon
life loss or drain
i think the effects could be something like
death would work similar to [[farewell]]
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twilit canyon
just absolutely kill everything
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The most expensive one then
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I assume going sequentially by order
twilit canyon
mhm
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Though that sucks for war lmao
twilit canyon
probs 5 mana but much harder to cast
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Since its conquest and debatably pestilence before him
twilit canyon
famine would be similar to famine incarnate
cut player's life in half
though i am thinking of having it have a drain
cut everyones life in half
or set everyone's life to a set total
and then gain life equal to life lost this way
hidden ermine
Could work, but that feels less like famine and more like "what the british did to the irish"
twilit canyon
its much worse in 60 cards
hidden ermine
So still famine but with a genocidal angle
twilit canyon
oh yeah for sure loool
i mean yeah
if it just
nuked both player's life and left it at that
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Itd be lackluster
twilit canyon
itd probs be way too weak?
yea
war can be pushed heavily
3 mana act of treason on a body
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Risks overlap but I think that works best yeah
twilit canyon
and then sacrifice it and deal damage to creature/walker/battle
hidden ermine
Oh I guess
twilit canyon
sacrifice it and war would be interesting
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Conquest could steal artifacts
twilit canyon
and probs balance
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Rather than creatures
twilit canyon
i was thinking about that yeah
twilit canyon
conquest would steal artifacts/enchantments
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And pestilence would go wide
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Maybe create stuff whenever something dies
Yknow the whole "infection spreading" thing
twilit canyon
pestilence would likely be the one to go wide
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Plus an angle of multiplying locust swarms
twilit canyon
x non-token creature dies, create x 1/1 rat or insect
twilit canyon
it doesnt particularly matter
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If nothing else because I like rats and I dont think they deserve the plague-bearer reputation
twilit canyon
2 mana for conquest and pestilence
3 mana for war
4 mana for famine
5 mana for death
oh but they all share power/toughness
2/2
keywording them
hidden ermine
Oh thats an interesting angle
I almost wonder if there should be a way to have 1-4 motif in there
twilit canyon
conquest would have vigilance even though its super out of place in blue
hidden ermine
Referring to the seals
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Like 1 target, 2 targets, etc. etc..
twilit canyon
but this would mean death would need to be heavily toned down
ohhh
in that sense
actually could be cool
or
actually
seal number would dictate their effects
effects/keywords
hidden ermine
Maybe 1 target and 1/1, war burns for 2 when you sac, famine, idk, and death could be, hmmm
Is destroying 4 targets too much?
twilit canyon
so conquest/pestilence just get the 1 effect
hidden ermine
It probably is
Cuz thats like Chupacabra on crack
Oh like how many effects they have
twilit canyon
war would act of treason and then sack to damage
2
famine would do the drain and have deathtouch first strike
hidden ermine
Pestilence loses health, gains health and maybe applies -X/-X where X is some number?
Oh or that, that could work
And Death either has 3 keywords and the effect
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Or you do the formatting of 4 effects and you choose one
Like [[Farewell]] which you mentioned earlier
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twilit canyon
im kind of thinking that the full game cleanse besides hands would be enough yeah
toss in planeswalkers
thats 5 effects
hidden ermine
Shouldnt it be 4 though, since 4 seals?
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Must be one hell of a casting cost though to balance a 5 mana doing that lmao
twilit canyon
no choosing
death just nukes everything
artifacts and enchantments as 1 effect
exile all creatures and planeswalkers as a 2nd effect
exile all graveyards as 3rd effect
exile all battles as 4th
hidden ermine
Like all sequentially and its just split that way for flavour, or like it triggers up to 4 times?
Cuz Im not sure what the trigger would be
twilit canyon
alternatively
and hear me out cus this one is brutal but it could be thematic
exile all graves and battles as 3rd
hidden ermine
... does MTG have the "apply the following effects in sequence based on the number of X" thing that YGO has?
twilit canyon
and then exile each player's hands as 4th effect
i could also see that so long as death is exiled, nothing can be brought back from exile too just to be safe
hidden ermine
Because I was thinking, what if Death gets the effects in sequence based on how many other riders or Avatars there are
twilit canyon
mtg can do that but itd be wayyyy too jank and messy i think
hidden ermine
You throw the creature and walker one on the first so its always good
And then the others for flavour and to have 4 effects
Eh fair
But yeah Im trying to think how you could balance that on a 5 mana creature
twilit canyon
exiling all creatures and walkers would sadly include death too
so itd have to be the only creature not exiled
hidden ermine
Could be "non-avatar"
twilit canyon
that would be tricky i think
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Fitting with the hwole divine judgment thing
twilit canyon
a curve of them would be insanely backbreaking
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I mean I assume these have multiple pips casting costs
And at that point if you have the right land curve for a 5 colour deck and drew 5 specific cards in 5 turns and the enemy had no interaction
twilit canyon
that could be it
hidden ermine
Honestly? You deserve to win
twilit canyon
balance them with casting costs
double blue and double green
triple red
quadruple black
hidden ermine
Yeah I dont think these can be 1 coloured pip and then X generic
twilit canyon
quintuple white
hidden ermine
Quintuple white would defo make it more balanced ye
would be a fucked up wincon if you get it off and have a manland lmao
twilit canyon
i was gonna say actually
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Or are we exiling lands
twilit canyon
i think quintuple white would solve balancing on death
nah i think just exile everything would be punishment enough
its balanced
hidden ermine
Probably, but its 100% something youd need to playtest
twilit canyon
death is fair and comes for all
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Because casting costs are the worst thing to try and predict
twilit canyon
i also think death if exiling lands, would be even more miserable
twilit canyon
its already an effective game reset
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Whats the one red card
twilit canyon
it actually benefits aggressive decks more too
twilit canyon
exile everything but lands means that control decks can only benefit when they are insanely behind
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No but close
twilit canyon
i know the one
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[[Worldfire]]
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twilit canyon
yep
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Thats the one
Its been too long since I saw this card and magic has way too many cards to remember them quickly >.>
twilit canyon
the big thing to balance with death is ensuring the game ends quickly in either direction
oh i got it
gives players 3 counters
hidden ermine
Oh like uh
twilit canyon
players lose a counter every time they take damage or lose life
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Fading for players
twilit canyon
at 0, they lose
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Then youd need to rewrite it again to fit the 4 scheme though probably
twilit canyon
u can fit it by saying, exile all non-land permanents, exile all graveyards, exile each player's hands
this gives u a 4th effect
hidden ermine
Could work, though technically its one effect youre just writing out as 3
Idk if magic ever does that tbh
But its not like it causes any rules issues
twilit canyon
can word it like farewell without the choose
hidden ermine
Oh I guess it makes countering the activated ability less doable, since youd counter them each seperately?
So it is technically mechanically different
twilit canyon
exile all non-lands
exile all graveyards
exile each hands
each player gets 3 death counters. when a player loses life, they lose a death counter. when they lose their last death counter, they lose the game
yeah like
they all go up in their own trigger would be a good way to do it
hidden ermine
Id say "doom" over "death" for the counters tbh?
twilit canyon
doom works
could even say finality counters since we have doom counters iirc
i thought about it being a case where each player loses a counter at each end step but that would be miserable i think
hidden ermine
Doom counters do exist but iirc they dont do anything consistent and none of them can be placed on players
twilit canyon
forced draws
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Fits flavourfully too since the previous doom counters were also about impending death/destruction
[[Imminent Doom]]
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[[Armageddon Clock]]
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Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a doom counter on Armageddon Clock.
At the beginning of your draw step, Armageddon Clock deals damage equal to the number of doom counters on it to each player.
: Remove a doom counter from Armageddon Clock. Any player may activate this ability but only during any upkeep step.
hidden ermine
So yeah could be doom counter without issues I think
Since there shouldnt be any way to move counters off of players onto permanents or vice versa?
twilit canyon
uhh
idt so
could be some cards that move counters around or doubles em and places them eslewhere too but
hidden ermine
I mean someone would've posted that when poison returned because people love their jank ass techs
Though proliferate would interact very funny with this
Funnily?
twilit canyon
i think the big thing here would be that like
hidden ermine
... what the fuck is funs adverb
twilit canyon
since death is literally exiling everything
it doesnt matter if the counters can be moved as they are generated
everything is going
also death flavor text and its important
it locks exile for both players
no karn the great creator picking up where u left off
no resets
hidden ermine
Like it grants you an emblem that does that?
Flavourful, but veering into custommagic territory lmao
twilit canyon
emblem or just text onto itself
hidden ermine
I mean realistically in playtesting people would figure out if it actually reads or plays well and iterate
twilit canyon
ensures that someone topdecking karn doesnt auto-win or can be abused by game reset effects
hidden ermine
This whole exercise is just speedrunning the first step of the design process
Without the remaining ones
Also art-wise, its a panorama for sure isnt it
Maybe with pestilence and conquest having something in the art signifying theyre seperate versions of one rider?
twilit canyon
absolutely
conquest/pestilence ride together or its like a mirror reflection of conquest
riding towards war
who rides towards famine
who rides towards death
hidden ermine
Oh I was thinking riding in parallel
Each art at a slightly different angle
And, hm
Maybe Pestilence is like a reflection visible in dust kicked up by conquest
twilit canyon
this does just give me reason to wanna do pestilence as a 1 drop
but i think itd be a bit lame
and maybe could cause issues if a 1 drop is allowed to go wide
hidden ermine
Yeaaah definitely
twilit canyon
think um
hidden ermine
Also makes the balancing of pips not work
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Since 1 pip is like
twilit canyon
hybrid white/green
hidden ermine
... yeah literally nothing lmao
twilit canyon
makes an elf
hidden ermine
Id definitely stick with 2 and have it be a reflection kinda deal
Or imitation or whatever
twilit canyon
imitation or mirror works yeah
hidden ermine
Still, this was a fun exercise in cardmaking
twilit canyon
yeah for sure
hidden ermine
This made me realise making MTG cards is probably a lot easier simply because theyre more constrained naturally
Explains why YGOs custom card community never got quite as big
twilit canyon
that
makes a lot of sense
also
mtg cards have simpler card text and can condense things a lot more
hidden ermine
I mean judging by custommagic that doesnt matter as much lmao
But I guess non-archetypical design also helps
You can design just one card
Instead of a whole batch
twilit canyon
sure and u dont have to make it a cycle too
generics in ygo have to be super fucking careful
hidden ermine
Without being forced into the niche of "handtrap, power spell or support"
twilit canyon
or else its likely broken
yeah
i can just go ahead and go
new red 1 drop for standard
red
creature - jackal
haste
when it attacks, it deals 1 damage to target player
1/1
done
p sure theres like another card with a similar effect but its probably not a jackal
its probably not standard legal
i have created a new magic card
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Funny enough the only thing coming to mind is an LoR card
twilit canyon
or
blue control wincon
3 and double blue
legendary planeswalker - blue control wincon
+1 draw a card
-2 bounce
-6 exile their library
4 loyalty
timmy's wet dream
7 and triple green
creature - dinosaur dragon
vigilance trample
etb fights
13/13
hidden ermine
Do they make ult in 3 turns that wins walkers nowadays? I thought usually the rule of thumb was 4 turns to ult and win
dense berry
ive never even really thought about turns to ult other than uhh
dense berry
back in 2009
hidden ermine
I would've said 7 to ult personally, 3 loyalty dies a touch too easily
dense berry
garruk ulted in one turn
hidden ermine
Its not really a balance thing fwiw
dense berry
that was cool
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Its just a pattern they used to follow
twilit canyon
my 1st standard was 2019
so ulting mattered
teferi hero of dominaria and pirate vraska had realistic ults
hidden ermine
Oh Pirate Vraska was 3 to ult
Huh
Wait did pirate Vraska see that much play? I thought it was Ravnica Vraska mostly
dense berry
i once won an edh tournament using the og vraska
twilit canyon
Wait did pirate Vraska see that much play? I thought it was Ravnica Vraska mostl...
she was golgari mid and sultai mid top end
both saw play
hidden ermine
Really? I guess I mustve misremembered, I couldve sworn it was the ravnica Vraska
Either way, magic does lend itself better to custom card creation
twilit canyon
u often ran 2 of each
hidden ermine
Though I do think making custom keywords is an odd choice since those usually just exist for the sake of set flavour
Since theyre kicker or horsemanship
And its not like you save space when you have to write it out anyway
twilit canyon
custom keywords is awk yea
waxen timber
I still can't comprehend why WOTC didn't ban Sheoldred when they were trying to make Standard better
I played 10 matches of Standard and faced 9 decks that played Sheoldred and 1 mono red.
Like what data do they have that would indicate that Sheoldred isn't a problem. Just looking at MTGgoldfish, it has an insane playrate
sleek ferry
Eh, I would say the meta is pretty fine right now
Mono red is not too far off from golgari
twilit canyon
imagine getting farmed like this
trail anvil
most of the cost I see comes from force of negation, cavern of souls and chalice of the void
on an unrelated note, today's log-in reward is a core 19 pack 
twilit canyon
Isn’t it supposed to be an affordable deck
in theory
stark skiff
Just some more Confetti Foils. @atomic harness @rigid scarab
atomic harness
I'm out
stark skiff
stark skiff
The rest of todays buys. Foil where I could get it course @rigid scarab @atomic harness
Why the fuck is Sharpshooter $20. Doesn’t even come foil lol
atomic harness
@meager isle @rigid scarab I am once again asking for assistance 
My old lgs is doing $100 edh things and giving away lotus petals if you manage to beat the pod. The rules are 100 dollar budget under mtggoldfish and we're allowed up to 10 proxies 
atomic harness
Yeah and yeah
atomic harness
I'm a stubborn wastard so I only want to play with funny construct punchy old man 
thinking about what we can optimize though
atomic harness
I guess another question would be, what cheap power cards am I supposed to be proxying
atomic harness
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5391280#paper This is what I have and it's at $99
atomic harness
Maybee
fallow citrus
clever sun
My old lgs is doing $100 edh things and giving away lotus petals if you manage t...
Do the proxies need to fall under the $100 price point?
golden plover
Oh they're releasing new ltr collectors boosters with different chase cards
Serialized "band posters" for characters
Only 100 of them total, 20 per card
But they're actually illegible lmao
The text colors are genuinely terrible
Honestly they probably should have just chose cards with less text?
sleek ferry
I think we need to stop complaining about secret lairs be illegible tbh
The artists are trying unique concepts to incorporate the text to fit with the differing art styles
Like that Saruman’s art fucks
golden plover
These are just bad graphic design tho
I literally have a degree in this and if I turned these in for a class I would've lost points for it being too crowded
sleek ferry
That’s a whole other complain though. Secret lairs being illegible is not as valid of a complain as “the art frankly sucks”
golden plover
I mean the art is fine, but as game pieces these are awful
sleek ferry
I always felt as if the secret lairs you so end up buying are a good representation of your personality and what you’re into
Which is what secret lairs are supposed to be at the end of the day
(Ignore the walking dead fiasco)
meager isle
I can’t even read what the selesnya card is or does
copper pecan
these are completely illegible
atomic harness
Do the proxies need to fall under the $100 price point?
Hum yeah!
They still have to count so its mostly only cheapo stuff
clever sun
That sucks
so far I picked these
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atomic harness
apparently it hits bommanders. Maybe I also need to proxy blue elemental and hydroblast so I dont get vibechecked by hedron grinder and winota
atomic harness
That sucks
What are some other cheapo cards that are worth proxying 
? wiggle room is unfortunately between $1-2
clever sun
Nothing really
atomic harness
Thank I'll just see what I can do. Last time I did alright
meager isle
maybe mirrordin besieged?
It auto kills someone if you get board wiped enough
I actually forgot the second mode
[[mirrordin besieged]]
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atomic harness
hum it felt kinda mid when I was trying it
meager isle
I see
atomic harness
[[Unctus]] kinda does its job but better
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Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+1.
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2/4
meager isle
maybe boardwipes like [[their name is death]] or [[organic extinction]]?
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atomic harness
maybe 
atomic harness
yeah im the one often getting boardwiped 
I have one I think, white sun's twilight
meager isle
ah yea that coutns
do you think you're missing something?
if it's just anti winota and hedron the stuff you already mentioned is probably enough
atomic harness
I want to say cheap lands but ngl I'm not that color hungry when most of the things I cast are colorless
I wanted to say artifact stax pieces but most of them are way over budget
cant even play my urza's saga or esper sentinel
atomic harness
oh the funny old man himself
meager isle
discounts urza by 2
atomic harness
looks nice
atomic harness
do you think you're missing something?
oh I forgot I owned lion sash lol
sleek ferry
oh I forgot I owned lion sash lol
Portal to phyrexia sounds like a strong blowout in this $100 format
$[[portal to phyrexia]]
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sleek ferry
$24 is the low on tcgplayer
atomic harness
I can't say I'm a fan
sleek ferry
Uh you also got your standard artifact big creatures; steel hellkite, myr battlesphere
Urza’s liberator
Idk how much it is but if it’s low enough, skittering cicada could be an option
atomic harness
Yeah we have battlesphere 
meager isle
You’re recommending a $24 card for a $100 deck?
atomic harness
Bioo which one is better, [[Blue Elemental Blast]] or [[Hydroblast]]
meager isle
It almost never comes up but hydro is better
atomic harness
Whats the difference anyway, you can use it on non red stuff and it just doesnt do anything, but like you can up storm count?
meager isle
Yeah
So you can burn the jin gitax first spell counters and stuff
But yea it almost never matters so they’re basically the same
atomic harness
I heard something about spellskite too, whats the breakdown on that
meager isle
I guess it’s worse into spellskite
Spellskite can only redirect it if it itself is a legal target
So it can redirect hydro but not blue
atomic harness
ah since hydroblast can still target it yeah makes sense
pretty sure im the only guy who uses spellskite in the tables usually The enchantment pump guy hates it
meager isle
Oh you just take every aura? Lmao
atomic harness
yeah his gameplan is to pump the funny wilson to one shot people but spellskite stops us from dying
I'm thinking about replacing one of my counters to play both hydro and beb. Very scared of winota and hedron grinder
meager isle
Sigh making me scroll up to your list again
atomic harness
dont worry son I'll send a pic
atomic harness
Sigh making me scroll up to your list again
sudden lava
Bioo which one is better, [[Blue Elemental Blast]] or [[Hydroblast]]
do hydroblast
meager isle
I guess miscast or dispel
sudden lava
art is cooler on hydroblast
atomic harness
I'll keep everything and just play beb, hydro breaks budget I think
atomic harness
I guess miscast or dispel
dispel has been clutch in counterwars 
stark skiff
Rich 
stark skiff
rigid scarab
Sorry @atomic harness Adam has trouble comprehending anything under $20
stark skiff
Sorry <@240310577925193729> Adam has trouble comprehending anything under $20
Also picked up the promo Anguished Unmaking today. Love the artwork on it.
trail anvil
the decks didn't surprise me too much I still think golgari midrange is heavily overrated on ladder but I'm surprised at some of the most included cards from woe
like lord skitter reads like a worse graveyard trespasser, is it there cause it's legendary and creates bodies?
wasn't expecting spellbook vendor to be that high up either
twilit canyon
like lord skitter reads like a worse graveyard trespasser, is it there cause it...
the bodies basically
twilit canyon
do you just pair it with wedding invitation?
yep thats a good combo
or any bargain cars
*card
trail anvil
wait are people actually using the bargain cards
I got the impression that beseech the mirror fell flat before
rigid scarab
Pinky Pie being cedh viable if it weren't for being silver border
Would be hilarious
sleek ferry
The only one in the top 10 I think is shit from testing is charming scoundrel tbh
golden plover
And an illegible ring for everyone, not just post malone
Also whatever the fuck that other style is supposed to be
Looks really bad with the huge borders
glad peak
The fairy tale border one doesn’t look too bad
golden plover
It's way better than the one on the left
But it's ugly as shit
That border should either fade into the art or be half that size
Literally eats up a decent chunk of the art
atomic harness
Adam on his way to buy 10 copies of the left tor
golden plover
Isn't there 100 copies total?
stark skiff
Adam on his way to buy 10 copies of the left tor
sir who wants those hideous things
meager isle
You’d buy them just because they’re expensive
golden plover
You don't wanna pay $400 for a one ring you can't read?
Then you can just make up effects
"the ring also makes you sac a creature every time I draw a card"
"it's in there, you just gotta read it"
stark skiff
Then you can just make up effects
oh worth
golden plover
What does "at the beginning (t): gain protection of your upkeep" mean
sleek ferry
imagine not having this massacre girl adam
strong quartz
I mean the one ring alt seems super readable
golden plover
The right one does, left is 3 different colored text blocks that all bleed together
It's better than some of the others tho
strong quartz
I mean this is kindergarden level pattern recognition
golden plover
The legendary creatures in the style are WAY worse
That sauraman and Arwen are effectively unreadable to me
strong quartz
It isn't even the dont open dead inside thing
stark skiff
imagine not having this massacre girl adam
i thought this was that one card that had multiple SL drops lol but that art is sick
golden plover
Like I'm just not gonna try reading that arwen.she does whatever effect you want
stark skiff
uhh Shadowborn Apostle
strong quartz
Maybe its cuz I read a good amount of manga, but I don't really see a problem with readablility on either outside of fontsize
golden plover
Text that's the same color as the art inside the art is a very bad idea
The sauraman is also 3 blocks of text all over the place
strong quartz
Justine Jones actually gets plus merits since they have the easiest
golden plover
You're supposed to start with the block to the left, then right, then bottom
strong quartz
Aragorn is just boring
golden plover
Mount Doom and Aragorn are the best two
You can actually read the cards
Gandalf is okay I guess, but not great
Sauraman is readable, barely
And Arwen is illegible
I still dunno where her power and toughness are
strong quartz
Under her name
strong quartz
Top Right
golden plover
https://preview.redd.it/3xub6wwn4qpb1.png?auto=webp&s=688c9bd61eb4517f7608861c39...
Someone pointed out that this one is actually a colorblindness issue lmao
I forgot I'm colorblind
Apparently it's pretty easy to read if you're not
strong quartz
Ah
trail anvil
The only one in the top 10 I think is shit from testing is charming scoundrel tb...
I still think this card has decent value
the wicked role going on anyone is nice, treasure is nice for pushes and the loot effect feels nice when you're mana screwed or need to dig for an answer
lusty trench
Apparently it's pretty easy to read if you're not
I'm not colour blind, it still fucks with me
dense berry
https://preview.redd.it/3xub6wwn4qpb1.png?auto=webp&s=688c9bd61eb4517f7608861c39...
super fast reprint of a premium product chase mythic
also damn theyre both awful
golden plover
That way they can ban it in a bit
dense berry
why do they keep photoshopping that ring art
golden plover
Gotta make December money off the reprint
Then go "woops it's banned"
Considering it's 1/2 playable cards in the entire set
dense berry
its funny the bundle one ring has better art, expanded art and is foil
and its like half the price of a pack non foil one ring
glad peak
100
meager isle
You can always open with sol ring in the cedh tournament 
twilit canyon
"hmm its statistically unlikely but its not like it cant happen..."
meager isle
Oh my god that’s a lot of cards
golden plover
Mana crypt reprint sorta
Not really tho
It's a list printing with new art
Oh wait yeah this isn't gonna affect the price at all, since list will favor Jurassic park slots
Okay it's confirmed list slots are eaten by Jurassic Park slots
meager isle
I’ll probably die before I get a mana crypt
golden plover
And they didn't do the SNC thing of cutting the commons/uncommons
So this'll be about $200
copper pecan
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1154879339788243065/...
jeff goldblum magic the gathering real??????
sudden lava
jeff goldblum magic the gathering real??????
yup
but the real juicy stuff is that sultai Indominus
GHALTA
golden plover
I honestly can't think of 20 notable things from the Jurassic park franchise lmao
golden plover
Chris Pratt, his dinosaur
golden plover
Uhhh yeah
golden plover
They've gotta be dinosaur focused, but like, there's 0 unique dinosaurs
Wait isn't there a child from one of the movies with dinosaur blood that summons swarms of locusts
Her I guess
sudden lava
a card that makes dinosaurs from dna
fallow citrus
oh nice
copper pecan
for pioneer and historic
sudden lava
nice cavern of souls reprint
fallow citrus
good for every eternal format really
golden plover
This is huge for pioneer
Probably brings spirits back into the mix
And humans
And the fact that it's main set is nice
merry owl
Oof I just bought one
sudden lava
we less then 2 weeks till Who reveals ^-^
twilit canyon
huge for historic
golden plover
Princess Bride is an odd pick
Not like thematically or anything, it's a good movie and sorta makes sense
But like cuturually
meager isle
Too bad they picked shit value cards
golden plover
Honestly
I vastly prefer the Godzilla style UB ones
But I feel like every time they do the Godzilla ones, they pick shit cards on purpose so they can go "see people want the unique designs"
95% of the other UB ones have been because they're getting something new in the franchise soon (toys, season of a show, new show for LotR). Is princess bride getting a new thing?
sleek ferry
I might have to get those Princess bride cards in foil
One of my favorite movies of all time
sudden lava
I might get the new gandalf for my isekai suspend deck
golden plover
It is a really good movie
But God, stuff like Grixis Marchesa and Fynn were not cards that needed reprints
Oh this one feels less polished
Why isn't Ash legendary
sleek ferry
Yeah but Andre the giant immortalized in a card is enough for me
sleek ferry
All arts we saw before except skullspore nexus iirc
Cavern of souls reprint is so fucking nice though
golden plover
Like it really feels like they randomly went "oh just throw them on the first card that says 'zombie'"
sleek ferry
In the main set too
golden plover
Honestly Ash should have been Sram
sleek ferry
Naya was expected if you look at our dinosaurs pre ixalan
sleek ferry
Hasbro trying to sell their shitty toys by trying to push it on the only entity within hasbro making money
golden plover
They really did randomly stretch the bolt art, and include a nerf gun with it. Weird
Should have at least been a playset of stretched art bolts and not the 2 lmao
sleek ferry
Should have been 2 bolts and 2 nerf guns
That’s at least reasonable for 39.99 or w.e it is they charge
sudden lava
its nerf or nothing pays 1 red mana to deal 3
golden plover
It'll be like $60
hidden ermine
Ixalan gods, huh?
twilit canyon
ixalan gods when the phyrexians are invading:
ixalan gods when a brown person is doing plot-relevant things on ixalan
golden plover
Lmao my friend who collects nerf guns says the gun is actually a previous year's unpopular gun with a random lightning bolt on the side now
fallow citrus
missed chance to make a nerf gun called the lightning bolter
golden plover
That’s a jolt right
Yeah my friend who collects nerf guns says it's an unpopular one from a few years ago
rich bronze
Lmao my friend who collects nerf guns says the gun is actually a previous year's...
It’s a jolt, they’ve been part of the nerf lineup for well over a decade
golden plover
So I'd assume you're right
sudden lava
The ixalan gods woke up cuz capybara in ixalan now
golden plover
That's so funny it's just a random unpopular gun they had and 2 stretched art bolts for $60
golden plover
It's a standard mythic
Unless it ends up seeing crazy standard play, probably
It does boost 2 already good pioneer decks tho
sleek ferry
We do have tribal decks in standard
So seems like a no brainer
Humans, faeries, soldiers
Vampires to a much lesser degree
sudden lava
We do have tribal decks in standard
Hoping we get capybara tribal in Ixalan
twilit canyon
We do have tribal decks in standard
they didnt need cavern
cavern is honestly really fucked lol
im honestly a bit shocked we got cavern before aether vial
aether vial is a really fair card for creature decks
cavern of souls is a really broken card for tribal decks
standard control just outright wont exist
sleek ferry
standard control just outright wont exist
Not the worst thing tbh
At least till rotation
I reserve the right to be wrong if it gets really egregious though
rigid scarab
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448940916833648640/1154879106496864308/...
Oh fuck
That's good
My 'No UB' rule may come back to bite me
trail anvil
humans are gonna love this in standard 
is 4c humans a thing in alchemy with aragorn?
sleek ferry
I mean Tbf, it’s not as if humans really struggled with control to begin with
golden plover
Spirits in Pioneer gets a huge buff
trail anvil
I mean Tbf, it’s not as if humans really struggled with control to begin with
I figured there was less importance in the can't be countered and more in the untapped 5c land
sudden lava
oh two cute things about Indominus Rex Alpha
black lotus in art
and the mana cost includes hybrid mana.
trail anvil
I got 2 more draft tokens and another core 20 pack in the mail
this seems like a glitch, I hope I don't get banned 
supposedly it should be fine?
sudden lava
what does indominus having a hybrid cost have anything to do with a lotus
two separate things misty
Black lotus is a nice throwback to magic history
AND Indominus Rex has hybrid mana because she herself is a hybrid
copper pecan
following in the footsteps of his father by making a new token and not explaining it
twilit canyon
following in the footsteps of his father by making a new token and not explainin...
also being very strong on-rate with multiple card advantage slots
2 mana 2/3 on attack draw a card or mill a card if its useless and a 1 mana adventure to curve into itself
my hopes for ixalan are... mildly restored
golden plover
Kellan is really good regardless of what maps do yeah
2/3 that scouts for 2 is nice
So even if maps suck, he's playable
twilit canyon
maps would need to be outright detrimental or useless for him to not be worth running tbh
that adventure also makes multiples okay to draq
*draw
especially depending on what maps do
sleek ferry
Also adventures on another plane not named eldraine or dnd
trail anvil
being his own curve is pretty damn nice too
oh misty already said that
but yeah can't wait to see maps
copper pecan
i feel like it's gotta be something to do with lands in order to keep in line with explore
maybe it's 2: target creature you control explores?
golden plover
True, might be an explore based thing
I figure making X at G means they can't be crazy
lusty trench
I figure making X at G means they can't be crazy
Nah green gets everything, and it reads better than it is in standard, this is making 2 max 1v1, and 4 max in commander
golden plover
Yeah true
dense berry
thats a decent draw engine in the command zone
sleek ferry
Now that’s a card we can respect @rigid scarab @atomic harness
rigid scarab
Moneybags 🫵
stark skiff
Moneybags 🫵
where 
trail anvil
cashing in on these draft tokens and wizards is trolling me
hearth elemental, witch's vanity, three blind mice and intruder alarm all in the same pack, and I'm already in rakdos 
on the bright side witch's vanity somehow made it through the table
twilit canyon
ive not been playing a ton of arena since getting to rank 2 mythic earlier in the month
but i did log in for the draft tokens and farmed back to back 7-0s
this draft format is good for aggro
trail anvil
teach me your ways, I'm struggling down here at 3 losses
golden plover
We are returning to Strixhaven next year
That's definitely a silverquill outfit tho
Sheldon also designed the commander and some of the cards in the silverquill precon
trail anvil
nice tribute
golden plover
He designed [[Inkshield]] as one of his favorite cards
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zinc shard
I've got enough Wildcards to make 5C Ramp, Golgari Midrange, or Dimir Midrange AND Dimir Fairies
rich bronze
Hmm
If the only expensive card I don’t have here is a metalworker ( as of tomorrow)
Should I build this deck
rich bronze
Finally getting my workshop today 😄
rich bronze
Alternatively
sudden lava
sudden lava
this commander kinda hilarious
Avoids commander tax altogether, and turns small ping spells into 4 (or more) damage per instance
could combine it with say a manabarb
fallow citrus
cool that it turns lava spike and gut shot into ping for 4
not that exciting for commander though lmao
meager isle
Kelermorph already exists unfortunately
Which isn’t “better” but it’s hard to justify this over him
trail anvil
in hbrawl it oughta be fun at least
sounds fun with grapeshot
also you can boost its power for other shenanigans
sleek ferry
I kinda love this guy’s design tbh
golden plover
Something with him and grapeshot sounds funny
meager isle
Blazing shoal exiling blasphemous act
golden plover
How do we play him in something red and then proceed to get a storm count of 5?
twilit canyon
is that an actual or rhetorical question
hidden ermine
Does historic have rituals?
golden plover
I mean I figure it's fairly easy, considering the hardest part is getting him out
You just would need a storm deck that can get him out and then go off
They should give me grapeshot in pioneer btw
I'd be trusted with it
twilit canyon
I mean I figure it's fairly easy, considering the hardest part is getting him ou...
im saying tho in most formats, red is secondary in rituals
[[rite of flames]], [[manamorphose]]
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Deep beneath the ice, beneath the soil and the rock, Dominaria's fire still burned hot.
stark skiff
Avoids commander tax altogether, and turns small ping spells into 4 (or more) da...
avoiding the tax is cool but kelermorph already exists and does his job better imo
rich bronze
shiny!!!
rigid scarab
not that exciting for commander though lmao
Manabarbs
stark skiff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1057373074254729297.webp?size=48&name=FeelsStr...
Sick card
trail anvil
didn't some more memey cauldron turbo decks use that
zinc shard
Man I love Standard
rigid scarab
Purchases for today @atomic harness @stark skiff
I know I know
It's a big one
A whole $16
fallow citrus
look at mr moneybags here
rigid scarab
I know. Sorry
stark skiff
Purchases for today <@240310577925193729> <@324752667144355841>
Can you please stop flaunting your wealth
rigid scarab
I'm sorry