that’s how it works
#Magic the Gathering
rich bronze
rigid scarab
In general
glad peak
nah, how it works is that you play all your fancy lands and i get to tear them down
fallow citrus
clever sun
Finally. Historic Storm
golden plover
Wew narrowly avoided having to play commander against the husband and wive at the LGS
Yeah she t1 urza's saga, mana crypt, ring and her husband attacked the guy who t1 forest bop
meager isle
Birds are scary man
golden plover
Yeah scarier than my wife having 6 mana t2
atomic harness
ertai's meddling 
glad peak
[[ertai’s meddling]]
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atomic harness
It's like weird delay mudkip but it gets past uncounterables 
glad peak
Yep it sure is
There’s also [[press the enemy]] which not only bounces a spell or permanent but also allows you to play something for free
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glad peak
🤷♂️ I don’t even remember what [[disrupt]] does
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Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays 
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Draw a card.
Teferi wanted no part of Urza's battle plans, but both agreed the Phyrexian portal must be closed.
glad peak
Oh yep you do
atomic harness
its a pretty poopy counterspell tbh
glad peak
Those 2 effects have nothing to do with each other other than being on one card and the first ability doesn’t counter itself if the one is paid
trail anvil
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/160ko03/no_ban_historic_rakdos_breach_midrange/ @twilit canyon what are your thoughts on this one
twilit canyon
Finally. Historic Storm
this one yeah
trail anvil
o right
twilit canyon
how come lotv is cheeks now <:sadge:717409819937603665>
3 mana edict
her +1 discarding both players is actually mid af since it can help some decks set up and u having to discard affects u a lot
stark skiff
Btw what do you guys think of that Angel Secret Lair deck
Was thinking of purchasing it
twilit canyon
meh
atomic harness
Btw what do you guys think of that Angel Secret Lair deck
you're too far gone son
atomic harness
her +1 discarding both players is actually mid af since it can help some decks s...
is there a world where she'll be good again kidge 
stark skiff
you're too far gone son
what does this mean 
twilit canyon
is there a world where she'll be good again kidge <:NukGar:920896147470573599>
technically right now
atomic harness
twilit canyon
standard dimir midrange plays 2-3 copies and its best deck in standard
atomic harness
what does this mean <:monkaGIGA:652734094664269835>
oh im just memeing but dont buy that
pog can they make use of the discard or is it just the edict?
stark skiff
oh im just memeing but dont buy that
lol i do like that bad to the bones artwork though
twilit canyon
pog can they make use of the discard or is it just the edict?
they can defend her well to edict multiple times vs most decks besides wedding anouncement decks and her discard doesnt affect them much
atomic harness
twilit canyon
since they play tenacious underdog
atomic harness
is esper legends still a thing
atomic harness
hmm ic, what about TWE?
atomic harness
based
twilit canyon
the big scary deck rn is the rakdos powerstone deck
atomic harness
powerstone monka
twilit canyon
yea its playing what is kinda mid cards but it works bc they actually pay off quite well
sudden lava
No Melffy Boba noooo
polar lake
nah i wouldn't do this to myself
i am trying to build a jeskai commander deck just not
USA walls
im building USA Tokens with Kykar
glad peak
USA walls is a pretty fun deck ngl
changes the rules to what it shouldve been at the start
dense berry
been running a yugioh power cube for years so i decided to try my hand at making an mtg power cube
sudden lava
trail anvil
decided to play a meta commander cause I felt like winning
and get to end the game like this 
lusty trench
Okay after playing colourless commander for a while I can confirm
It is so much fun not having to care about what colour mana shit is
zinc shard
ah yes thank you game, i totally wanted to tap my Key and not one of the TWENTY PLUS LANDS I HAVE
trail anvil
autotapper strikes again
the logic here is truly baffling too when you have no other way to produce white mana too
dense berry
i see the auto tapper ruin my friend at least once per sitting
back when i had an arena account i always manually tapped that shit
it sucked though because that meant i never got timeout extensions
which is whatever i play fast anyway but still
atomic harness
stupid question how come the WPN retro foil bolas bitadel is worth nothing than the plain old WAR one?
meager isle
[[$bolas citadel]]
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meager isle
Okay that makes no sense
The wpn promo is cheap because it was given out like candy at locals for joining tournaments
Why the WAR version is double the price I can’t answer
Maybe because people hate retro border but double price is insane
atomic harness
I see
dense berry
it really is just the availability @atomic harness . its the same for the retro Dig Through Time. ultra cheap promo passed around like a spliff in a hippy circle
atomic harness
oo understandable
Loot can they reprint urza's saga and esper sentinel so I can play it in this $100 budget commander thing we're having
golden plover
Nah those are reprint set cards
dense berry
theyll reprint them in modern horizons 3 rarity bumped to mythic
fallow citrus
nah, downshifted to common for pauper
golden plover
Nah wotc only downshifts stuff once it's been unplayable in modern for 10 years
merry owl
||reanimator|| won champions showcase :O
glad peak
With beseech the mirror on the horizon, do you think UB control will adopt baubles or saga + urborg or both to account for the additional cost?
Or none at all and live without the dream 5-8 ring/3-6 sheoldred
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dense berry
this card is fucking nuts
golden plover
I had a dream that MH3 had a mechanic called "better cards" and it was any card with a monetary value of $10 or more. The only 2 I remember was one that made your first better card each turn free and another that made your better cards unable to be countered
last glen
I had a dream that MH3 had a mechanic called "better cards" and it was any card ...
"common Ash doesn't negate" moment
rich bronze
Hearthstone is like mtg lite
Pretty much
But tbh
I think he’d enjoy ygo
If properly introduced to the game
Unironically get someone to play paper
I haven’t touched MD, ever
Well, I tried it when I first started and dropped it the same day - exclusively play in paper
Someone handholding me through it was good
fallow citrus
I didn't watch the video but from what I heard the biggest issues were that you needed external resources to learn the game?
which is like.. true for every tcg
(talking about the ygo video they did)
rich bronze
I didn't watch the video but from what I heard the biggest issues were that you ...
There were a lot of valid complaints
Watch the MBT vid
meager isle
Too hard seems like a weird complaint
You can not like it because it’s too hard but it doesn’t mean it’s a detriment to a game
atomic harness
Sigh
fallow citrus
I still don't like the "you shouldn't need outside help" argument because I feel like to play any game optimally you need to watch something about it
meager isle
before the internet was big enough we played games blind or had to buy guides from stores 
fallow citrus
yeah weird enough it isn't back in the day anymore
last glen
The core of Rarran's complaints are:
- the gameplay mechanics don't naturally lead you to playing the modern game
- many games end up being low gameplay
- these two things together make for a learning cliff where a new player is not having fun and will not have fun until after putting in an unreasonable amount of investment
- Master Duel also has no useful guidance to ease a new player into playing the modern game
copper pecan
that's fair
meager isle
that all just boils down to the game naturally gravitates towards nongames due to opponent having the combo and you not having the out
which is fair
atomic harness
Bioo I just remembered dispatch was a card
I'll take the hit, it's an extra copy of swords on steroids
meager isle
I don't think you need it honestly
sword and path are usually enough
$[[inorganic]]
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meager isle
hmm
atomic harness
I dont own path 
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meager isle
[[$path to exile]]
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atomic harness
and dispatch has hard carried me every time so I like it
meager isle
if you can fit it in budget go for it I guess lol
hidden ermine
I mean tbh the biggest disadvantage YGO has is that it doesnt give you the illusion of having had a chance to play
In magic a pro is going to crush a new player 10/10 times
But the new player will not neccessarily realise they never had a chance
last glen
did you post to the custom cards subreddit
sudden lava
the obvious ruling complication aside, rarity matters here
modern minnow
the enchantment seems a little hard to parse
maybe it needs a then or smth in the second paragraph
golden plover
Oh true. It should have "then"
Another discord I'm in decided that Simic gets the pro better card archetype
sudden lava
like if its a super hard to pull card, or a high rarity version of it that would keep the price into better territory
golden plover
And Dimir gets the anti-better cards archetype
modern minnow
also chris should have a serialised version
golden plover
You already know every legendary creature in MH3 is gonna be serialized
modern minnow
true
golden plover
Chris gets a new effect if he's serialized tho
sudden lava
I was thinking about maybe getting a copy of this card for the doctor who jesakai precon
golden plover
I like that he doesn't have can't be countered because countering him doesn't matter
The only way to counter him is to drop his price to less than $10 USD
The new metagame is to tank the price of singles to fuck over the better cards decks
sudden lava
only 35 cents right now and it sort of works in the timetravel loop
and Im super excited for the reveals to happen again
fallow citrus
is there a good resource for finding stock cedh lists
modern minnow
ty
fallow citrus
np I use it for all the lists I find basically
twilit canyon
look ma im in the picture
lusty trench
Ayo wtf is archmage of echoes preordering for £30
golden plover
[[Archmage of Echoes]]
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying, ward 
Whenever you cast a Faerie or Wizard permanent spell, copy it. (The copy becomes a token.)
"The High Fae are capable of magics that would make even the great Gadwick himself seem little more than a clumsy apprentice." —Chulane, Teller of Tales
4/4
trail anvil
probably a pet card
trail anvil
look ma im in the picture
twilit canyon
lusty trench
I'm very confused why the faerie deck didn't reprint more of the good faeries
Like bitter blossom sure it's on the reprint list, but where's mistbind? Where's vendilion?
lusty trench
I don't even find it offensive just more so confusing? especially since vedilion could make the deck a little better vs tutor heavy decks
glad peak
Good, now I can kill it
sudden lava
use animate object on the table
You would have to own the table
so can't do it at your local gameshop
copper pecan
kitchen table magic
atomic harness
Yo raffine midrange pog?
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fallow citrus
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/163kjkx/new_secret_lair_spoiled_by_ultra_pro_on_accident/
lusty trench
Crimge
granite badge
oh no we're literally hitting the bottom of the barrel at this point
next you're gonna tell me we get a pack of cards which has unplayable art cards online based on baseball cards
meager isle
Textless planeswalkers sounds like a terrible idea
rigid scarab
next you're gonna tell me we get a pack of cards which has unplayable art cards ...
Probably gonna be like the cereal secret lair
Where the rules box is on the back
dense berry
Textless planeswalkers sounds like a terrible idea
to be fair its the original cycle of lorwyn walkers, not even casuals want to play these cards (aside from perhaps Garruk)
golden plover
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/163kjkx/new_secret_lair_spoiled_by_ul...
Oh god they did the cereal thing again
I hate that, and textless walkers is so much worse
sudden lava
Idk if I should go to pre-release
would be my first time playing magic irl in a very long time
lusty trench
"why did the first sliver not get reprinted"
sudden lava
"why did the first sliver not get reprinted"
ooh, new secret lair?
golden plover
Hey at least that's a good value I'm the lair
Although that really does just look like a prozy
And why is the sliver... VHS themed?
This is UNREADABLE
Yeah this lair is illegible
golden plover
Actually the VHS ones are pretty bad for readability too
Sorcery is in the corner here and the mana value is just wherever they feel like
But then the mana value and type move randomly between them
But the mana value is back in the first spot for food chain?
Great superdrop for cards you can't fucking read
These are definitely not my thing. Super hard to read and kinda hurt my eyes?
lusty trench
The only lair I think is worth it is the VHS one and that's only if you need a first sliver
stark skiff
the vhs ones look good but the others one good lord
lusty trench
The baseball ones at least get a little bit better for me as we get their canon heights
golden plover
Yeah the VHS one is worth it value wise
The rest... Aren't
And the metal lair and bug lair are just fucking illegible
I think the Tevesh has gotta be the hardest to read card they've ever put in an SL
lusty trench
I think jeska is worse
sudden lava
lusty trench
At least with tevesh the text has room to breathe
sudden lava
oops
golden plover
Like why is it not a single textbox somewhere?? With how much text a Planeswalker has its BAD
Jeska has at least a single textbox
sudden lava
Secret lair alert, baseball cards
lusty trench
It's the way jeska blends to me
golden plover
You're very late on that one
stark skiff
Like why is it not a single textbox somewhere?? With how much text a Planeswalke...
yeah this is a great way to annoy someone lol
golden plover
Highlithed each of Tevesh's textboxes
He's got 8 randomly placed in the art
Like this layout is just awful
The bug and baseball ones suck to read too, but the baseball ones are at least cute about it and the bug one doesn't do THAT
sudden lava
card reveals just happened
Horsemanship 
!
and a new doctors companion
Donna is peak flavor, The Girl in the Fireplace is very accurate, can't comment on the green saga cuz haven't seen that episode but its still cool and I get why it creates a rhino token
Also the weeping angel 😍 YESSSS
golden plover
First strike vigilance on a Dimir card looks wrong as hell
golden plover
Wait which of those colors gets first strike?
I know blue can have vigilance here and there
hidden ermine
Tertiary in black
rigid scarab
I need Summer's unbridled hype for absolutely everything
lusty trench
Ayo?
golden plover
I can't remember the last time I've seen first strike on a black card but fair
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hidden ermine
Whatever the eldraine version of this was
lusty trench
It's mainly knights that do it for black
Though they can be on cards that surprise people
Like bats
sudden lava
Weeping angel's effect translated to Doctor Who Universe
Flash/First strike: Weeping angels are fast
Vigilance/isnt a creature: They are statues that are only statues if you look at them
Combat damage effect: They dont kill you, they yeet you into another point in time when they attack you
lusty trench
The fact that it has further application too
sudden lava
and Im still laughing my butt off at the horsemanship card
twilit canyon
mfers will say 3 mana for 6 treasures over 6 turns is value in a format where ppl frequently pay 2 mana for 12
hidden ermine
[[Dockside extortionist]]
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Creature — Goblin Pirate
When Dockside Extortionist enters the battlefield, create X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of artifacts and enchantments your opponents control. (Treasure tokens are artifacts with "
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"It's just business."
1/2
hidden ermine
This is 2 mana???
sudden lava
but it can get you other tokens
hidden ermine
I thought it was 3
twilit canyon
dockside is 2 mana yea
lusty trench
Comparing to dockside is rough though
lusty trench
He built different
twilit canyon
so as such everything is compared to him
sudden lava
and I can very much feel the difference reading some of these cards
twilit canyon
yes they all read like different flavors of unplayable. some fun effects at least.
sudden lava
Like compare my reaction to say the weeping angels (Horrors I will always remember) and the green saga
twilit canyon
why would i do that?
sudden lava
I get the mixed experience of both knowing and not knowing
twilit canyon
sudden lava
<:WaitWhat:645058989490569229>
because Im still watching the show, and skipped the first 8
twilit canyon
how am i supposed to know that??
sudden lava
I mean, I kinda implied it just there.
I get the experience of knowing some of these references, and the others being ones Im not familiar with because I have yet to see what they refer to
sudden lava
I need Summer's unbridled hype for absolutely everything
❤️
Another cool thing about weeping angel, you can use flash creatures (Like itself) to take it out of battle, so they can counter each other in the mirror match
twilit canyon
or a removal spell. its a 2/2
glad peak
They leaked a lot of the next lotr stuff
zinc shard
classic WOTC
lusty trench
They leaked a lot of the next lotr stuff
Where find?
hidden ermine
Mists of Lorien seems crazy
copper pecan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4t5mdCW4AA0mAk?format=png&name=small
the girl in the fireplace is such a mess
imagine being a new player and reading this card
copper pecan
yeah but it's a crossover card in a precon
lots of people are going to be playing the game for the first time with these precons and are gonna be super confused by this card
copper pecan
a lot of these cards seem really strong
lusty trench
Are these secret lairs or new cards for the rerelease
golden plover
Are we moving away from the green fight for cheap archetype or not wotc?
They keep going "oh we don't wanna make green fight cards less than 4 mana because it's a pie bend" and then do it right after
copper pecan
They keep going "oh we don't wanna make green fight cards less than 4 mana becau...
when did they say any of this
i thought they were just moving away from green creatures with etb fight effects, not green fight in general
twilit canyon
considering that they keep releasing cheap green fight spells not creatures i think it was just creatures
golden plover
Gotcha. I didn't remember the specifics
Other than them saying [[Wicked Wolf]] was the tipping point
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twilit canyon
maybe bc it can become indestructible and get a permanent +1/+1 boost for no reason
twilit canyon
all of og eldraine was a few levels of fucked up in different ways
bcg should have been a 4 mana 3/3 with that ability and adventure
brazen cant block in general
rider a 2/2
golden plover
Yeah true, OG eldraine was too much
zinc shard
oh hey free Midweek Magic this week\
trail anvil
y'know, this format is fun but it's worth noting there's likely no hellqueue
so get ready to face a shit ton of ragavan
sudden lava
the girl in the fireplace is such a mess
its not that bad
zinc shard
im assuming the tokens will explain the mechanics
lusty trench
Letting yall know that the green white wilds precon has the wrong tokens in it
polar lake
they really pushing the Waifu Tax on Karlach after Bauldr's Gate 3
zinc shard
Letting yall know that the green white wilds precon has the wrong tokens in it
Small indie company, im sure people will understand /s
zinc shard
I love how this matchup is which card type has more value: Artifacts or Enchantments?
it was Artifacts
golden plover
Didn't they also just give her a bunch of new shit
golden plover
Wait is this a real FAB card?
fallow citrus
that's FAB?
granite badge
flesh and blood I assume
fallow citrus
well yeah I know it's flesh and blood
I just mean like, it's been so long since I've seen a fab card
golden plover
Oh wow apparently they made a huge reprint precon and put him in one of the decks
golden plover
Yeah FaB has its issues, but that's really cool that they give bacl to the content creators
It's technically a reskin of a lore character it seems, but it's a new effect for him
Oh apparently the decks have guaranteed reprints of big money cards (like $200) too
So you can just print expensive cards in precons
lusty trench
Oh apparently the decks have guaranteed reprints of big money cards (like $200) ...
Oh shit you got a link to the product?
golden plover
Oh shit you got a link to the product?
It's not officially revealed or anything yet, but they mentioned a card in it
lusty trench
The product is apparently called round the table, I'll keep an eye on it
golden plover
Yeah $200 reprints in a precon means it's probably at least somewhat worth it
The Prof art is available only at LGSes
Big box stores will have a regular art
golden plover
Lmao Mind Goblin caused a rules change on MTGO
It turns out a ritual on a body was legacy playable enough to be a problem and they can't implement stickers there
copper pecan
i'm glad that everyone collectively decided that the card should be called mind goblin
golden plover
It's unironically the least dumb name for it
____ Goblin and Sticker Goblin are dumb as hell
This change still doesn't function the way the card does in paper (you don't know how much mana it makes) but it's a bit better
copper pecan
mtgo is built using duct tape and string
fallow citrus
can't play miracles optimally because the 40k cards just aren't on there
a lot of the issues only affect legacy and vintage really but still
annoying if you like those formats
golden plover
Also the cheapest way to play those formats tbh
fallow citrus
well yeah bar proxying
fallow citrus
not even about it being the cheapest because there might just not be a legacy player base near you
golden plover
That too
pulsar talon
golden plover
I live in a pretty big city (well actually a region of 7 big cities) and there's 2 legacy stores in all of the area
copper pecan
i would be surprised if even 1% of the playerbase has played a single game of legacy
fallow citrus
unfortunately not every format is as loved as commander
rigid scarab
Sadly commander is popular
I remember when you made a deck specifically so that people started to hate commander
rigid scarab
I would say I really disagree with that notion
But I also haven't seen such lengths people go through out of spite
atomic harness
@lusty trench what were the incorrect tokens they included?
trail anvil
bullying atraxa ❤️
trail anvil
tamiyo is the best
lusty trench
With pre release being tomorrow, what's y'all's opinions on the set
rich bronze
Hype
glad peak
Cute arts, decent cards, archetypes that blend together decently
Should be a good limited format
rigid scarab
Frustratingly good
Why do we have to make poopy sets when we can make good sets instead
That appease players of pretty much all formats
zinc shard
Adventure is one of my favorite mechanics so I'm glad
sudden lava
With pre release being tomorrow, what's y'all's opinions on the set
I like it, though more excited for Doctor Who reveal season and then after that Ixalan
especially since ixalan apparently will contain a capybara card
sudden lava
waxen timber
With pre release being tomorrow, what's y'all's opinions on the set
Wilds is a good set but, it doesn't live up to Throne. They played it too safe which means that it will just be forgotten
Even more forgetable cause they are not rotating standard and didn't design it with that in mind.
copper pecan
wilds shouldn't be like throne
no set should be like throne
throne was horrible for the meta
i'd much rather a set undershoot the powerlevel than overshoot it
throne overshadowing everything else while it was in standard wasn't a good thing for the format and is probably a big part of why paper standard is dead right now
waxen timber
Probably the top 3 or 4 Throne cards were bad for standard but, overall I think powerful cards are good
copper pecan
more throne cards had to be banned in standard than any other set ever
zinc shard
hidden ermine
more throne cards had to be banned in standard than any other set ever
That doesnt sound right
More than whatever the combo winter set was?
zinc shard
Throne had: Oko, Once Upon a Time, Fires of Invention, Cauldron Familiar, Lucky Clover, Escape to the Wilds
Cant find anything on what was bannedf form Combo Winter sets
copper pecan
the combo winters both had the bans spread across multiple sets
eldraine had 6 cards in it banned
the set with the second most bans, mirrodin, had 5
atomic harness
the set with the second most bans, mirrodin, had 5
Mirrodin
Also mirrodin had 6 right micholas?
Tree of tales great furnace seat of the synod ancient den vault of whispers and disciple of the vault
copper pecan
oh wait you're right, for some reason i thought disciple was from darksteel
atomic harness
No worries 
I love mirrodin
You can still argue that eldraine was more degenerate in terms of what got hit, since the artifact lands are just a cycle of souped up basic lands
The other bans were from darksteel at the time, so citadel skullclamp and ravager
granite badge
i'd much rather a set undershoot the powerlevel than overshoot it
this
twilit canyon
lmfao
imagine being this stacked of a deck against kethis
and losing
in such a humiliating fashion
2 bojuka bogs, weathered runestone
shelly ring and elspeht's nightmare
and they still just lost
meager isle
i'd much rather a set undershoot the powerlevel than overshoot it
Naw overshooting is how you get fun cards
FIRE design
copper pecan
fire design had nothing to do with eld having broken cards
fire design is just abount commons and uncommons
overshooting the power level means that people can't use their fun cards because only the broken ones are viable
meager isle
The broken ones are the fun cards
granite badge
^
meager isle
I’m sure they’re all banned
granite badge
I'd rather have low-powered but flavorful cards than high-powered cards(flavorful or no) that push the powercreep higher
low powered cards without flavor are just boring but I'd also mostly rather have that
meager isle
I’m the kind of guy who gives 0 care for flavor
Especially for competitiveness
If you’re playing for fun go for it but then why does broken cards matter in casual games
granite badge
yeah this isn't worth my time idt
meager isle
Person is disagreeing
copper pecan
If you’re playing for fun go for it but then why does broken cards matter in cas...
because not everyone is playing casual games?
meager isle
because not everyone is playing casual games?
So competitive then
copper pecan
for competitive play broken cards aren't fun
people don't want to go up against the same things over and over again
meager isle
I like broken cards
copper pecan
broken cards cause a lack of diversity and that can kill formats
meager isle
you guys don't like broken cards
idk why we couldn't just leave it at that if you don't like discussing
god forbid I have a different opinion
copper pecan
how is this not discussing
meager isle
yeah this isn't worth my time idt
.
she even said I was speaking in bad faith
like what the fuck?
copper pecan
i didn't say any of that
meager isle
I know
but apparently I'm speaking in bad faith
so I guess I shouldn't discuss at all
rigid scarab
so I guess I shouldn't discuss at all
What's your exact point as to why broken cards are good for the game?
From what I'm reading, it's because casual formats can use them?
meager isle
splashy is fun
I said casual players shouldn't use them if they're so broken that they choke out their flavorful deck
rigid scarab
splashy is fun
Ok I see the problem
meager isle
I never said it was good for the game
rigid scarab
I think we have a confusion as to the definition of 'broken'
meager isle
my entire point is that it's funner
rigid scarab
Broken cards don't tend to be splashy
rigid scarab
That's just asking for rampant powercreep?
rigid scarab
Well let's say we design Wilds of Eldraine to be so busted that it eclipses everything else in its standard
meager isle
baneslayer saw 0 play despite being the best top end 15 ish years ago
rigid scarab
Now there's no reason to play the other standard sets
rigid scarab
You're meshing Magics version of rotation and Yugiohs version of rotation into one
meager isle
just make it equally broken
rigid scarab
Making sets with the mindset of 'more and more broken' also kinda breaks the point of eternal formats?
rigid scarab
Well it's pretty fucking hard to make every set the exact same level of power
rigid scarab
And this is assuming that this is even something desirable in the first place
meager isle
yea some people prefer underpower I prefer overpowered
rigid scarab
Like if we combine WOTC's current product vomit with the notion of 'Every set is so good that you can't skip it'
The game would be in deep shit
meager isle
it already is according to some people 🤷♂️
meager isle
yugioh has no good sets 
rigid scarab
That's imo a pretty good standing of 3 consistently broken sets
Back to back to back
meager isle
I'm actually okay with dabl
meager isle
pote and phhy both had either a tier 0 deck or near tier 0
I'm not saying make a deck tier 0
I even said "if every deck has broken cards no deck does"
rigid scarab
Well now you'd also be adding a soft rotation to Modern, Pioneer and Pauper
Regardless of the sets being 'equally broken'
And Modern is already having issues with soft rotation
rigid scarab
At least the MH cards were just for Modern
If every format has to keep on adding like 10 cards of the latest set to their lists
Why not just play Standard
rigid scarab
As in
Kill every other 60 card format
For Standard
Or "Standard"
It's technically an eternal format
meager isle
oh that's what you mean
rigid scarab
But everyone's using standard legal cards anyways
meager isle
well like I said, go for equally broken not more broken
yea sometimes they fail, that's fine
but I'd rather aim for that than purposefully aim for underpower
rigid scarab
If you remove low power sets and create a constant, and consistent demand to always be updating your lists
Lots of players will be burnt out
meager isle
you don't have to update your list constantly if they're equally powerful
rigid scarab
Well if everything's high power, nothing is high power, so then WOTC will just make a new high power
And now that's the norm going forward
meager isle
do i have to keep repeating they don't have to go for new high power?
I said equally
standard rotates so you don't have to worry about cards being equally powerful not selling
rigid scarab
If everything is equally broken, nothing is gonna feel broken then
meager isle
exactly
rigid scarab
So then where's the fun in it
meager isle
I prefer everything feeling impactful rather than everything being vanillas
rigid scarab
Because you have low power cards to compare it off of
But there's nothing low power in standard to compare
rigid scarab
standard rotates so you don't have to worry about cards being equally powerful n...
But you just made a point that standard doesn't sell, so who are the sets for
meager isle
who the fuck knows idk how that's relevant to the conversation
why would downgrading the powerlevel mean it would sell more
honestly it's mostly commander anyways right
rigid scarab
And that's just it
meager isle
although that's what I'm not talking about
rigid scarab
Standard sets are Commander sets in a coat of paint
meager isle
indeed
rigid scarab
With some cards for 60 card
meager isle
that's not relevant to my initial point though
I prefer good cards
I'm implying for 60 card formats
rigid scarab
Like I'm fine with high power sets too
They're sometimes necessary for the game
Just that a constant stream of it is something I don't find to be desirable for the game
Like I don't want every standard set to be ELD
meager isle
And I prefer if it was
rigid scarab
But I also disagree on it being something that casual players shouldn't focus on
Every TCG probably has the majority of its playerbase be 'semi-competitive'
They wanna keep up with the meta, but not cling onto it
rigid scarab
why would downgrading the powerlevel mean it would sell more
PTCG tells us how to do that
Make your cover card Charizard
meager isle
Ask someone who doesn’t play magic to name a character
They probably won’t more often than they can
rigid scarab
Well MTG's strange in that
Its iconic cards aren't creatures
It's a fucking plant
meager isle
Yea so they can’t sell off charizard
rigid scarab
They can sell off of UB
meager isle
Very true
rigid scarab
Honestly they don't need UB sets to be high power at all
meager isle
They don’t lol
rigid scarab
Them being high power sways the market by like 1%
meager isle
Well there’s your solution ub in standard lol
rigid scarab
Well there’s your solution ub in standard lol
I wasn't arguing for standard's health with consistently high power sets
I'm fearful of eternal formats just being basically standard
meager isle
Standard is dead cause it costs too much
rigid scarab
Gonna go to WOE prerelease
glad peak
Woe is me
atomic harness
enjoy sickler
glad peak
Gonna be sick
lusty trench
Not making everything else commander was a mistake (people genuinely believe this)
glad peak
Honestly I would be open to a 30-60 card format with 2-4 of maxes (depending on size of course) with a commander at the helm
Would lead to tight gameplay with the fun of a themed universal card
lusty trench
The pull rates MTG has makes me never want to touch a format with more than one copy of a card allowed
You telling me a box has like 6 mythics (most are unplayable) in it, costs double what most games do and you're releasing a set every time mark rosewater blinks? Damn
twilit canyon
why are u buying sealed products instead of singles
glad peak
Imagine buying boxes
twilit canyon
there is an upside to the density of card releases nowdays which is that since they print so much of it, it all drops in price like crazy unless its the chasecars
glad peak
Leave that to the stores and people looking at EVs and thinking they understand it
lusty trench
why are u buying sealed products instead of singles
I'm talking about pull rates in the context that it affects the singles prices
twilit canyon
yea it does
most mythics are dime a dozen
rares even less
it takes some exceptionally desirable mythics to be worth anything
lusty trench
All I'm saying is in the other games I play the rates are so that the meta cards cap at like £10, £20 if you want a secret rare which are almost always like 2 ofs
twilit canyon
yea but that doesnt really apply to mtg standard since they knoe ppl will pay regardless
*know
lusty trench
I mean true
I get an aneurysm when I see people legit buying 4x sheoldred for like £70 each, I could never
twilit canyon
how often do you see ppl buying sheoldred?
lusty trench
It was a thing for a while, my store started up pioneer and has a lot of whales
No it was standard ignore me
I think pioneer had 3 people
They stopped doing standard like a month or two ago cause the turnouts stopped being good
rigid scarab
Honestly I would be open to a 30-60 card format with 2-4 of maxes (depending on ...
(It's just a value card that gets to Thoracle Consult)
glad peak
(It's just a value card that gets to Thoracle Consult)
Good, then just play cards to beat that or ban it
rigid scarab
(I'm just playing legacy)
meager isle
Rich
glad peak
Edh is already just legacy so what’s the difference
rigid scarab
It's legacy if your deck was bad
glad peak
True, closer to vintage
rigid scarab
Yes
twilit canyon
wym legacy if your deck was bad? almost all legacy decks are bad
glad peak
Tbf almost all decks are bad
There are millions of possible decks and maybe hundreds are good
glad peak
Correct
rigid scarab
Yippee
glad peak
Anyways this new set
If it comes out to have a good limited environment I’m all in on making a cube with a 4-3-2-1 spread and curating which of the alt art is put in
sudden lava
I wonder when doctor who reveal season is gonna start
golden plover
I mean he is just kind of a cedh all star
twilit canyon
yea it shares the deckspace with tidesprout tyrant
arguably more oppressive than tidesprout
but cant reset the game like tidesprout can
golden plover
Bonus card for the worst lair ever
Wait he's misprinted too
How did that happen
lusty trench
Extra power lmao
golden plover
Do they not just have a file where they can slap new art on it?
copper pecan
iirc that's not how it works
golden plover
Would that not be easy af tho
copper pecan
i forget who said this but i know someone at wotc has said that reprinting cards requires around as much work as printing entirely new ones
which is why the list cards are exact duplicates of the original versions of the cards outside of the symbol in the lower left
and don't have the most recent oracle text
glad peak
Welp prerelease was something
Opened very badly but I can at least sell these cards to get my money back
atomic harness
but he had 44 life and a bunch of creatures 
rigid scarab
No one else came to prerelease :D
polar lake
thank you game... i made a deck with only 15 lands cause i was testing a new deck and i draw a 4 land hand and then draw lands for 4 turns
i just dont enjoy magic like i used to anymore like what is going on
rigid scarab
It is, just that I came in on day 2 of prerelease
zinc shard
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rich bronze
[[$beseech the mirror]]
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rich bronze
good money
waxen timber
The no banlist event is so fun. Only bad thing is that there isn't a best of three version of it
atomic harness
You said it misty
trail anvil
just turn historic into that 
twilit canyon
nah
zinc shard
Happy Yargle Day everyone
rigid scarab
Do you guys think there's gonna be a bonus sheet for Lost Caverns
glad peak
Probably, lost caverns is the best place to put lost treasures
Like all the commander moxen and jeweled lotus
rigid scarab
That's a good guess
I was thinking like
It's a timmy set
Let's make the bonus sheet big creatures
That's en excuse to get like
A Craterhoof/Eldrazi reprint
glad peak
Cavern of souls (finally)
Timmy set? Nah it’s gonna be a lean, efficient, merfolk set
Daze, ponder, brainstorm reprints
sudden lava
we get closer to potential capybaras in mtg
lusty trench
Coconut doggy
copper pecan
popping the biggest bottles when they reprint colossal dreadmaw
hidden ermine
Inb4 they print collosaler dreadmaw
lusty trench
Colossal the Dreadmaw (has golos' text box)
twilit canyon
ive come to the dreading realization that caverns of ixalan, like wilds of eldraine were designed before the new rotation rules and schedule and as such, caverns will likely be as mid as woe is.
fallow citrus
why would you make worse golos
lusty trench
why would you make worse golos
So everyone can play colossal the dread maw
It's every colour so there's no excuses
zinc shard
Draft Token in the shop
lusty trench
Welp I've finally dipped my toes into stax
golden plover
How do you feel about it
lusty trench
Honestly idk I'm running eriette as my commander and it's hard to not become the target which is fair
Honestly eriette kinda dogshit but she's fun at least
trail anvil
[[the end]] is starting to grow on me
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This spell costs less to cast if your life total is 5 or less.
Exile target creature or planeswalker. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that permanent and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way.
trail anvil
I'm wondering if it would be nice to have vs cards like wandering emperor where they always run max copies and typically use it as a win con
twilit canyon
yeah but hard control isnt good anyways
trail anvil
idk ig
I figure completely not having to worry about it would be nice, if only it hit sunfall too
I'm ready for woe
rich bronze
God I’m so unlucky - I needed a single teferi’s protection, so I bought one at my LGSs and grabbed a 2XM2022 draft pack for funsies, opened it and… teferi’s protection -_-
rigid scarab
Sell it
granite badge
last glen
looks like maintenance
zinc shard
ez
clever sun
The new pack opening animation is really cool NGL
twilit canyon
this set is so shit lmao
im looking to see what i should craft out of the rares and mythics and im seeing like 4 cards
9 if u count the lands
trail anvil
I thought the whale was better than it was but it has no evasion
charming scoundrel, the fairies and the lands seem like the best to me
twilit canyon
[[charming scoundrel]]
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zinc shard
I mean in Eternal formats yeah it sucks
twilit canyon
no it sucks in standard too
zinc shard
man it sucks that the Golgari Rare (Faunsbane Troll) from this set doesn't use Food at all despite that being Golgari's theme this set
zinc shard
Working on brewing a UW Tap Control deck (only have 2 Hylda/Teferi)
trail anvil
what deck even wants this actually
a lot of people were using this to trigger celebration during prerelease so we'll see lmao
I like it for the wicked role
twilit canyon
a lot of people were using this to trigger celebration during prerelease so we'l...
that sounds super shite but i gues it was a thing
trail anvil
[[beseech the mirror]] is what everyone was freaking out about cause it grabs sheoldred
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trail anvil
and the ring in alchemy
lusty trench
Wasn't there hype around soul cauldron too?
golden plover
Soul cauldron seems fine
But beseech is genuinely a solid card
NGL I'm expecting [[The End]] to see Pioneer play
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This spell costs less to cast if your life total is 5 or less.
Exile target creature or planeswalker. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that permanent and exile them. That player shuffles, then draws a card for each card exiled from their hand this way.
lusty trench
Iirc soul cauldron grist was a thing that was talked about
Infinite 1/1s infinite self mill
twilit canyon
[[beseech the mirror]] is what everyone was freaking out about cause it grabs sh...
yea and the scoundrel is kinda cheeks at getting it enabled. its just not great at doing so. between wedding announcement and spirited companion and whatnot u can really easily enable beseech without worry
Hullbreaker Horror - Removed alchemy version
Traumatic prank- Costs 2R again
Diviner of Fates - back to 2/3
Monster Manual - Removed alchemy version
Baba Lysaga - Removed Alchemy version
Cabaretti Revels - Back to 1RG cost
Kumano faces Kakkazan - Removed alchemy version
Town-razer Tyrant - Back to upkeep trigger still nonbasics
Sanguine Brushstroke - Gains Life again
Fearsome Whelp - Endstep trigger again
anyhow
they gave us unlisted alchemy/historic changes
zinc shard
Working on brewing a UW Tap Control deck (only have 2 Hylda/Teferi)
deck didnt work out very well. didnt have enough removal to keep up with decks. probably gotta cut the weaker tap cards and just play a more straight control deck
trail anvil
yea and the scoundrel is kinda cheeks at getting it enabled. its just not great ...
ye I didn't mean with scoundrel
that's more likely to see play in mono b prolly
trail anvil
Hullbreaker Horror - Removed alchemy version
Traumatic prank- Costs 2R again
Div...
wait what was traumatic prank before? 3R?
trail anvil
ic
sleek ferry
I feel as if Gruul aggro is so close after this set in standard
But green artifacts is just better
twilit canyon
splash white is the best use of the deck ive seen
its not super good but its a decent deck
sleek ferry
I was playing around with this but it’s pretty eh
I actually feel very meh about charming scoundrel
sleek ferry
Yeah, best thing it does is trigger Goddric who is actually a good card
Other than that though is w.e
twilit canyon
idt goddric is all that good either
sleek ferry
I’ve been liking him, his ability to mold into a finisher if unchecked is nice, takes some pressure away from samut too who is usually KOS
I might mess around with this a bit more and cut wrenns resolve for like questing druid and cut scoundrel for something else
trail anvil
how is feral encounter working out for you
sleek ferry
I liked it since reveal, it’s def questionable in Gruul over say mono green, but I use it to force people to have to make bad blocks
Which is fine for me
I also have this I have to revisit with the new support
Mono green is another deck I will eventually revisit also with the new 3 mana saga + feral encounter + the mythic turtle
zinc shard
trail anvil
damn it's cheesy and I love it
trail anvil
god I didn't realize the black mythic adventure spell side is a sorcery
trail anvil
no matter how many times I see it, people forgetting tamiyo's static makes me love her that much more
sudden lava
It was Agatha all along 😮 also gonna watch this later
sudden lava
was a good episode
rigid scarab
||The episodes this year I don't consider snoozefests happen to be the one where the instant speed deck wins ||
||>He doesn't know Tom Bombadil is a Sorcery Speed deck||
copper pecan
had a dream last night where wotc printed a 4/5 human knight for 3bb with "whenever a player says a slur, this deals 1 damage to them" and it somehow caused the meta to become based around turboing it out and then tricking your opponent into accidentally saying a slur
glad peak
5 mana and 1 damage at a time
copper pecan
simply trick your opponent into saying a slur 20 times
easy
the most powerful stax piece of all time
glad peak
Inb4 you play against the most innocent death’s shadow pilot and you have to force them to say slurs
waxen timber
As a magic card that seems hard to use but, it would be insta banned in Yugioh. It would be an insane FTK card
trail anvil
busted in the deep south
copper pecan
the ultimate combo: slur knight + heliod = infinite life gain triggers
since you can have it damage you by saying a slur on purpose
glad peak
Truly a card wotc prints to punish something and yet pushes the archetype instead
waxen timber
At a regional in the deep south I went to, there was a lunch break. A player that was an old cranky white dude was mad that his food wasn't out fast enough so, he called the person in front of him the n-word and was trying to tell him the importance of him not being late to the round.
I feel like that would at least be 5 damage for the next round he plays against a slur knight
zinc shard
uhhh
trail anvil
oops
sleek ferry
rakdos rats is actually pretty fun
sudden lava
fallow citrus
missed chance to make the code "woeisme"
fallow citrus
subtle sierra
What’s the mtga arena code for woe
they haven't done codes in a while
as they have an in game way to send them
sleek ferry
ah makes sense
sleek ferry
So been testing it a bit more
Kellan does a lot for boros equipment
like way more than i could have imagined
fallow citrus
huh I never saw all of the WOT arts
like we have smug rich girl for smothering tithe which is great
and I really like the as foretold art
sleek ferry
the smug rich girl smothering tithe art is peak
sudden lava
I got my etched foil sword coast sailor in the mail 💖
sudden lava
oh that has some nice synergy with 10th doctor
rich bronze
like we have smug rich girl for smothering tithe which is great
REEEE
no weebshit in my magic
fallow citrus
unlucky
waxen timber
That's a nice card to pick up with the new beseech the mirror card
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glad peak
[[Gaea’s Will]]
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Sorcery
Suspend 4—
Until end of turn, you may play lands and cast spells from your graveyard.
If a card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere this turn, exile that card instead.
glad peak
Huh that’s a weird way to spell that name
fallow citrus
I mean that's very consistent in the game
but also don't you just play gaea's will with bessech anyway
like there's the legacy tendrils list playing it
sudden lava
I cant wait for the doctor who decks
fallow citrus
That was the joke <:cheems:683182129668292685>
it didn't come off that way to me
glad peak
The joke was that they’re the same card with beseech
zinc shard
he played Rise of the Dark Realms to steal most of my creatures
"Protection from Everything"
welp ik what deck im making
stark skiff
looks fun
sleek ferry
You making that Orzhov roles deck?
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Creature — Troll
When Faunsbane Troll enters the battlefield, create a Monster Role token attached to it. (Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.)
, Sacrifice an Aura attached to Faunsbane Troll: Faunsbane Troll fights target creature you don't control. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/4
twilit canyon
faunsbane is really mid imo
atomic harness
At 4 there’s just too much competition
like sheoldred 
or siege rhino
sleek ferry
Idt you need a third color tbh, Orzhov should work just fine
atomic harness
Tithe FG and vault are really good cards at least
stark skiff
Tithe FG and vault are really good cards at least
Yeah but we have to get the Waifu Tithe now. I didn’t even know it was a thing lol
Oh and I picked these up @atomic harness
lusty trench
Universe telling you to run mikaeus edh
sleek ferry
there is def some potential for an izzet/jeskai spellslinger deck in standard rn
new otter + balmot
rigid scarab
Fuck
glad peak
Huh is that real? As much as we clown on the guy it’s sad that he’s gone
Didn’t know anything about his condition
lusty trench
Jesus, I'm assuming some form of cancer, that's awful.
