considering how nice the card is
#Magic the Gathering
sleek ferry
fallow citrus
a sacrifice I'm willing to accept
sleek ferry
that is a nice art
copper pecan
also sun quan
atomic harness
CUTE WINDGRACE 
last glen
poggers
actual RG dinosaur support being printed
(it was always available)
lusty trench
rigid scarab
Like
The reprints in this set are looking to be
Literally everything a commander player could ever ask for outside of reserved list
And therefore the price as to be sky high
Dammit
golden plover
It's like 25% great reprints, 25% good ones, 25% okay, 25% TERRIBLE
It's like they scientifically engineered this set to come out as average as possible
lusty trench
It's more 20% great reprints, 20% good, 20% okay, 20% terrible, 20% WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY UPSHIFTED SMOTHERING TITHE AND SPELLSEAKER
golden plover
Don't forget about the [[Curtain Call]] cycle
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less to cast for each opponent.)
Destroy two target creatures.
"We give the audience what they want." —Juri, proprietor of the Juri Revue
rigid scarab
So 20% maddening
golden plover
They're all in rare for some reason
rigid scarab
Or 20% infuriating
lusty trench
They're all in rare for some reason
They've always been at rare
golden plover
They've always been at rare
Yeah in their single printing prior
They should have been uncommons here
But "the draft environment", which is a shitty excuse when sol ring is in the draft at uncommon
golden plover
We're 100% not getting fetches
rigid scarab
Check Lands take it or leave it
golden plover
They would have revealed a fetch by now
lusty trench
Yeah in their single printing prior
They've been printed twice
sleek ferry
Idk, it took them forever to reveal the good mythics
sleek ferry
Could jus the saving the best for last
golden plover
I'm pretty sure it's gonna be tango lands or battlebond lands
sleek ferry
Triomes or ally fetches are on my wish list
Everything else besides collector ouphe and unwinding clock has been checked off my wish list
sleek ferry
Yeah, I want it cheaper
golden plover
Triomes are definitely not happening
Draft has a "2 color focus"
So they wouldn't do triomes
sleek ferry
[[klauth]]
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lusty trench
sleek ferry
oh, that one wont happen, too new
lusty trench
We have a card from new capenna in here
sleek ferry
a legends?
golden plover
It's also DnD
fallow citrus
that steelshaper art sheesh
glad peak
I got hit with the biggest double standard in commander yesterday 
I wasn’t allowed to play a bad “storm” deck that relies on the table having stuff but my friend was allowed to play an actual storm deck with 10-30 min turns and was bashed for stopping an engine piece by the rest of the table 
sleek ferry
I wasn’t allowed to play a bad “storm” deck that relies on the table having stuf...
sounds like you got the typical local commander experience
glad peak
Yep, and they were applauding him for doing a “cool thing” every turn when it was literally replay the same thing over and over again
For 5-10 minutes each with his final turn being 30 minutes of him sitting and thinking if he has lethal
golden plover
Sounds like he also just didn't know his deck
atomic harness
golden plover
I play "storm" a lot, and unless you're forcing me to play out the combo, it's usually very quick turns. And final turn usually consists of "hey I've got combo, I assume that's good?"
When your storm count is high enough to kill the whole table, you don't need to be doing math
glad peak
He did, he was drawing and discarding a lot so he didn’t know if he had the win or not, or at least that was his excuse
But yeah I wasn’t able to play my normal deck because I just happened to kill everyone with a 6 card and 33 life combo 
golden plover
What? You should still know if you can reach it
Either you're drawing the whole deck and have combo or you can't win that turn
I dunno, I'm just so used to pointing to the pieces on the board and going "that's lethal" because no one actually wants to sit there and watch me draw my whole deck and get a storm count of 50000
glad peak
Apparently he was trying to figure out how many cards he could draw on that turn and if he can draw into the win but it was kind of obvious so I just went outside to use the restroom and call
But yeah I already knew it was over but everyone else thought he wasn’t going to win
golden plover
I did actually have a guy make me play out the win in Elsha recently
That was annoying as hell
I pointed to top, helm, and Elsha and went "I think you're dead" and he went "play it out, I don't see it"
Explained how it kills and he went "but I wanna make sure you can do it"
It wasn't like dude was holding interaction or anything, he was just being an ass
glad peak
I should build four horsemen and spin my wheels indefinitely because apparently people in this group likes that kind of thing
golden plover
I should have manually done every draw
I did simply my drawing by flipping my deck upside down and searching for grapeshot in it
But he was being an ass and I should have made him watch me draw cards 5000 times
sleek ferry
Apparently he was trying to figure out how many cards he could draw on that turn...
should have been like "cool, orcish bowmasters on the stack?"
glad peak
I was playing mono green because that was the only other deck available
Not combo mono green either, elf tokens
Also bowmasters would’ve gotten them mad at me for “playing cedh”
golden plover
"Playing Cedh" has become such a weird phrase
glad peak
I like these guys as friends but wow when it comes to magic they’re insufferable
golden plover
People use it as a buzzword for any card they don't like
Counterspell? "dude this isn't cedh". Doom blade? "come on man, I said fun decks"
I really wanna build no wincon group hug kings, but I'll still get fussed at for kingmaking
glad peak
Yeah I got bashed like that when I removed one of his combo pieces
I played nbc najeela to show them the true meaning of combo and they didn’t like it because “it runs stax” 🤦♂️
sleek ferry
if somebody ever uses the phrase "playing cedh" in response to you playing a strong card, it's a clear sign they never actually played cedh
glad peak
They were ok with 1 card win cons and tutors for days but any removal = stax to them it’s absurd
golden plover
Oh yeah I haven't gotten to pull out Ghen in so long since I'm still searching for a new shop
rigid scarab
I have never once seen a "Strong card = cedh" person
rigid scarab
The closest I saw that gets to that is "Wow that's a strong card/combo that guy's probably the threat"
glad peak
They’re less likely to be people who go to locals but still play and watch edh
golden plover
I asked once and a guy went "you said stax?" Then flipped through the deck box without asking and then said "nah fuck that"
I need to find a shop around here that does cedh because I do wanna play stronger decks again lmao
sleek ferry
Spoiler: I'm in your house
Spoiler: I already knew that and now you're trapped here
rigid scarab
I think it's perfectly fine to get miffed by deck archetypes
glad peak
“That guy’s probably the threat” is the logical way to politic but these guys really love to say “if you attack me with this 1/1, I’m going to target you all game”
sleek ferry
also i never realized till somebody pointed it out
rigid scarab
Spoiler: I already knew that and now you're trapped here
Spoiler: What the fuck
golden plover
I don't see how stax is worse than combo or the guys who do nothing for 16 turns but complain "I'm behind man" and then pop off
sleek ferry
but if you ever want to actually really learn some niche rules about mtg
cedh is the best way
to come across said rulings often
glad peak
Cedh is the best way to play edh*
rigid scarab
I don't see how stax is worse than combo or the guys who do nothing for 16 turns...
I get miffed by those guys too
sleek ferry
well yeah, not even getting into that rn
but in terms of actually learning the game
cedh rules at that
glad peak
I don't see how stax is worse than combo or the guys who do nothing for 16 turns...
That’s my argument every time but I get hit with a double standard consistently
sleek ferry
even if I still get confused by like layers and shit like that
golden plover
That’s my argument every time but I get hit with a double standard consistently
Yeah same here. They're going "well at least my board state is progressing"
rigid scarab
Cedh is the best way to play edh*
Quit while your ahead
glad peak
He gets to do that but when I’m actually behind with 2 lands on turn 8, I’m still the target because “I’m playing storm”
golden plover
Mine is too, by not letting yours do that
rigid scarab
There are deck types that can very much still be viable threats despite a low land count
I wouldn't call storm one of them but
glad peak
Quit while your ahead
I can’t get more based than “cedh is the best way to play edh”
golden plover
Honestly tho, cedh kinda is??
Edh with randoms is slowly becoming worse and worse imo
glad peak
The only argument the head of this group has against Cedh is the deck diversity
golden plover
No one wants to play interaction and then throws a fit when they lose
rigid scarab
cedh with randos is probably better than edh with randos
But I feel like there are several strawmen being made here
glad peak
But then again the problem with cedh right now is too many decks are good
golden plover
I mean, y'all remember the guy who would come to my old, mostly cedh playing shop, and would complain when he lost every game and then made his own banlist?
glad peak
But I feel like there are several strawmen being made here
I know it sounds like I’m strawmanning this group but I’ve legit had these conversations with them since we’re friends outside of the game and they actually say that
rigid scarab
The cedh > edh thing tends to assume that edh players are like whiny crybabies, unlike the zen saints that are cedh players
golden plover
Oh I've definitely known som shitty cedh players
Played with a new dude once who would get mad anyone didn't do the play he perceived as "optimal'
glad peak
I’ve met tons of shitty ones but the fact of the matter is, if casual edh players really want a balanced gameplay experience they always say they do, cedh exists
golden plover
I feel like the issue is really most casual players wanna play "open mic night" magic
rigid scarab
Who wants to play edh for a balanced game
The whole point of threat assessment is that edh is unbalanced
golden plover
They wanna play their deck and they wanna see the combo or cute interaction or whatever
They don't want opponents to have interaction at all
glad peak
Idk, everyone I’ve talked to who plays edh says they want games to be balanced and yet they also want to pubstomp so 🤷♂️
glad peak
They’re friends or friends of friends
golden plover
Also cedh is way more pro proxy
And that's good because a good edh deck is way too expensive
glad peak
So when we mean kitchen table, we mean no/little lgs and mostly they only watch YouTube for edh content rather than playing against others
rigid scarab
Isn't that more on the players and not the format
golden plover
I've had dudes drop Kaladesh inventions and Gaea's cradles and complain that I had the audacity to run a proxied bazaar of Baghdad
rigid scarab
Like
glad peak
It’s probably just the players but I’ve also met too many people with the same experience at this point it’s just the format 
rigid scarab
Pretty much the only discernable thing I would say is a strict positive for cedh is that the players all have a very close understanding
Of 'This is a competitive game'
And then we get the cons any competitive format would bring
golden plover
- even if I owned a bazaar, shit would NEVER leave the house
- there's no reason for me to PROVE to you that I own a card
- it's no different that moving my demonic tutor between decks when I need to, something I see a lot of people do as is
- it's a card game man, I just wanna play with the good cards
glad peak
I would say though, edh would be better without the “casual” edh YouTube channels
golden plover
Yeah channels like game knights did a number to edh
I've literally had people come to shops and talk to the table like they're on game knights. It's weird as hell
rigid scarab
1) even if I owned a bazaar, shit would NEVER leave the house
2) there's no reas...
Honestly, I'm starting to see more and more people go from pro-proxy to anti-single
From "I would recommend proxies if you don't want to spend money on real cards"
To "You are stupid for spending money on real cards instead of proxying"
glad peak
I was trying to keep my options open with my wording but really it’s a problem with game knights
golden plover
Honestly, I'm starting to see more and more people go from pro-proxy to anti-sin...
I mean, if you wanna buy the real cards, go ahead. I'm just not paying $100 for a piece of cardboard when I can get 2 decks for $50
rigid scarab
I was trying to keep my options open with my wording but really it’s a problem w...
Is this why they've been starting to upload more snoozefest pubstomps
To give a more realistic experience
golden plover
I mean even the professor's edh show isn't super realistic either
sleek ferry
The cedh > edh thing tends to assume that edh players are like whiny crybabies, ...
so I think here's the issue with edh vs cedh players. Most people that got into mtg got through it within an edh scope without actually having a moderate understanding of mtg as a game
and you see this ALL the time in edh
golden plover
Like at least he does a lot of "edh, but here's a gimmick" for the episode (like commanders with 100 or less edhrec decks)
sleek ferry
people have 0 idea how to hold priority, how their cards work etc
golden plover
But it's clear they play a couple games and pick the best one
rigid scarab
CEDH draws in MTG players
sleek ferry
like there's nothing inherently wrong with playing casual edh (i play both)
glad peak
The gimmick episodes are good because at least they’re entertaining
sleek ferry
but casual players just lack an understanding that they sometimes take as an attack when you point it out to them
rigid scarab
like there's nothing inherently wrong with playing casual edh (i play both)
But thugs if you play casual edh it must mean you hate interaction and every deck archetype you don't play
golden plover
Yeah I like the gimmick ones because I'm not expecting everyone to come in and play regular edh
I wanna see what the best secret commander with 6 or more MV is
glad peak
Game knights style channels and episodes tend to trend more towards people getting mad at each other and then one guy applauding themselves for “doing something cool”
sleek ferry
When I say casual though, i should point out it means "commanders that are unviable in cedh but i make as strong as possible and play them in a casual environment"
but i also recognize when not to play certain commanders
golden plover
I mean what was that one game knights episode where they had the football guy on where he rage quit t2 because he got targeted?
rigid scarab
The one with the planeswalker commanders?
golden plover
I don't remember the exact context, but he got hit for a little bit of damage because his commander was the scariest at the table and then scooped on the spot
rigid scarab
Well he didn't scoop
rigid scarab
He just acted salty the rest of the game
sleek ferry
he clearly stopped trying though
golden plover
I still remember that game being super shitty
glad peak
I mean what was that one game knights episode where they had the football guy on...
The football guy is infamous for him the saltiest person in multiple channels
golden plover
The football guy is infamous for him the saltiest person in multiple channels
Yeah, everything I've seen of Cassius makes me never wanna play a game with him
He comes off as an asshole
glad peak
If he doesn’t get everything his way then he tries to make the game unplayable
golden plover
It's funny, because Post seems like the opposite
rigid scarab
If he doesn’t get everything his way then he tries to make the game unplayable
Maybe that's why everyone let him Narset Windfall
golden plover
Post Malone builds really bad, really expensive decks and does nothing all game but just has a good time
sleek ferry
in the phyrexia will be one episode, josh didn't destroy rachel's portal to phyrexia because the theme of the episode was that they were in phyrexia (stupid as fuck btw)
glad peak
Post seems ok tbh
golden plover
He's not the best player, but he at least seems like a fun dude
sleek ferry
Josh has toned down his decks way too much in current game knights also
meager isle
Sort of related, Brian Kibler’s reason why he doesn’t play cedh
glad peak
I should’ve played against cassius when he was at GPLA to just troll him
sleek ferry
also cassius is into cedh now
rigid scarab
Sort of related, Brian Kibler’s reason why he doesn’t play cedh
Spread the fucking word
Cedh is vintage-lite
meager isle
Where is my fullart zacama
glad peak
He’s always been into cedh, he just never admitted to it because he wanted to play those decks at casual tables
rigid scarab
I definitely see Cassius as being the pubstomper
glad peak
(Yes there are a couple videos where he did this)
rigid scarab
Also btw chat
It's been hard to gauge but
We don't
Condone
Bringing cedh decks to edh pods right
golden plover
Sort of related, Brian Kibler’s reason why he doesn’t play cedh
Honestly Brian also comes off as an ass to me every time I see him in a game too
I mean he also has really weird takes defending stupid shit
"M30 boxes should actually cost MORE" was a fun one
glad peak
Early narset windfall or drama scepter tasigur in a durdle table are just examples of what he does
rigid scarab
I mean he also has really weird takes defending stupid shit
Well those two are completely separate things
golden plover
Well those two are completely separate things
For sure. But he comes off as a dick every time he's on an edh channel too
rigid scarab
Like being an NFT shill doesn't make you a bad magic player
And clearly Brian is infact a very good magic player
glad peak
Kibler’s a great competitor but that doesn’t make him the best anything else
rigid scarab
Who probably knows what he's talking about in terms of Magic gameplay
golden plover
There was one where he was playing with the prof and his wife, and someone else. And the prof did something super minor to his wife and he spent the rest of the game salt targeting him
It was really weird, he kept making comments like "don't disrespect my woman" and stuff
golden plover
He seemed annoyed
Like it didn't seem like a bit because he did it literally all game
But it could have been? I don't know
sleek ferry
Also, there’s not much RELEVANT politicing in cedh outside of pointing out someone has x amount of mana open or “next turn x player will have 5 mana available to do y”
glad peak
Could’ve been a bit but if it was genuinely uncomfortable then the professor should’ve taken him to the side and talked to him
rigid scarab
in the phyrexia will be one episode, josh didn't destroy rachel's portal to phyr...
I've never been a fan of the pubstomp GK episodes
But I guess it does do a job of
Representing what EDH games will realistically look like
golden plover
Yeah I dunno. I feel like they should have used another game where he didn't do it all game
sleek ferry
Professor is known to be an ass when it comes to cedh though
rigid scarab
As in no one doing anything for 6 turns and then someone popping off
golden plover
Because it just came off too much of him being a weird wife guy and holding a stupid grudge for no reason
sleek ferry
Him and Blackneto aren’t cool for that reason
golden plover
I mean this wasn't a cedh game
sleek ferry
Because Blackneto used to bring strong edh decks to play
golden plover
It was just a regular game with Brian, his wife, someone else, and the prof
And Brian was just being shitty his wife got targeted all of once
rigid scarab
Was it on camera
golden plover
Yeah
rigid scarab
If it was on camera then he was very likely doing a bit
Mf has been a twitch streamer for a decade
golden plover
I don't remember the exact game and I don't know if other people had issues with it or not, but it just came off really weird to me
I dunno, doing a bit for like 1-2 turns is fine
meager isle
Also, there’s not much RELEVANT politicing in cedh outside of pointing out someo...
Priority bullying is very relevant politics in cedh
golden plover
It when it's your entire thing for the rest of the game after, it comes off as being a salty ass
rigid scarab
Like yeah the bit could have been overblown
glad peak
Tbh I don’t see kibler to be the type of person to genuinely pull out the “don’t disrespect my woman” thing
golden plover
It probably was him doing a bit, yeah
sleek ferry
I’ve already said it, but the play to win crew are guys I love to watch. Besides that, Kyle Hill is usually fun, spike feeders are fine, Brian and Olivia are fine in commander at home also
golden plover
But I guess it just annoyed me that he didn't know when to drop the bit
sleek ferry
Game knights might be bottom of the barrel edh content atm tbh
glad peak
Not because he doesn’t like his wife but because he’s not really the type to act like a tough guy at least from what I’ve seen
meager isle
There was a cedh tournament where a player tried to priority bully in finals but lost. It got a lot of talk going iirc on the concept
rigid scarab
I’ve already said it, but the play to win crew are guys I love to watch. Besides...
Does Play to Win properly represent what a cedh game will look like
glad peak
Sometimes yep
golden plover
Yeah play to win is genuinely pretty decent at it
glad peak
Other times they bring a weaker deck to the pod for testing
sleek ferry
Play to win is cedh when everybody at the table actually knows what their cards do
glad peak
But they’re also very good at showing how diverse cedh is
Also they have their pet decks of course
sleek ferry
Also yeah, usually they test the 4 most relevant legendaries from each set in cedh
golden plover
I mean most people who play cedh have dumb pet decks
sleek ferry
And see if it’s viable
golden plover
Like I've got a very optimized Roghark Yoshimaru list
It's definitely not a standard cedh commander
But the deck is FUN
glad peak
I mean most people who play cedh have dumb pet decks
No I mean kinnan is one guy’s pet deck and he’ll play it regardless of theme or set at times
golden plover
No I mean kinnan is one guy’s pet deck and he’ll play it regardless of theme or ...
Ah fair
rigid scarab
I'll definitely play some cedh games, maybe even make a list IRL but I don't see it becoming my main format
glad peak
Tbf those are very fun decks
rigid scarab
cEDH tournaments especially just really don't sound appealing to me
It's like playing competitive mafia to me
golden plover
A lot of cedh tournaments are weird to me
Half the big ones don't allow proxies
Which is like, I get it, but also it becomes pay to win at that point
rigid scarab
Like if I wanted to play at a competitive magic tournament
Fuck dude I'm playing Magic
Just go play Pioneer or something
sleek ferry
I feel as if I would have done Cassius’ cedh tournament, but not any other. The prizing has to be appealing enough
rigid scarab
Just by its concept
glad peak
Cedh tournaments are alright, I don’t like it but the format’s fun so
rigid scarab
Why would I want to go to a tournament where everyone has to have the basis of 'OK no one fuck up'
meager isle
It's like playing competitive mafia to me
That actually exists btw
rigid scarab
Like is there any penalisation to someone who 'Doesn't obey the cedh code'
sleek ferry
Also the fact that teferi won cassius’ cedh tournament is still crazy to me
rigid scarab
Of course not
So you can just get fucked by someone making a salty spite play
Which can definitely still happen in cedh
meager isle
Yeah 3rd and 4th player having the ability to play kingmaker kind of hampers it but generally people don’t do that
golden plover
Sick new art
But OOF
@lusty trench I think this is the most egregious upshift now
lusty trench
Nah tithe still takes the cake for me
rigid scarab
Yeah 3rd and 4th player having the ability to play kingmaker kind of hampers it ...
Never do I ever want to play in a tournament where I get knocked out because my OPPONENTS had a weak mental
A tournament with 3 opponents just increases those odds
golden plover
Nah tithe still takes the cake for me
I think tithe is bad because it got a rare print this year
Oh I was wrong, it's like $25
Still a bad upshift when it got printed last year at rare
rigid scarab
Also to me there are some cedh players who give off big "No Items, Fox Only, Final Destination" vibes
I know Rebell does it ironically but
golden plover
glad peak
Tbh those players are also the ones who say “the only real cedh decks are najeela, blue farm, and rogsi” and they’ll get eaten up by random decks
golden plover
Ayy Zacama got a downshift at least
rigid scarab
Maybe magic players just suck
rigid scarab
Wait I think we found the common link <:cheems:683182129668292685>
Fuck
glad peak
I love rebell but you gots to go 
golden plover
Someone help me settle an argument with a friend: if my opponent plays [[+2 Mace]] can I call a judge, ask for gatherer text, and give them a DQ because technically no magic card exists by that name?
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
The weight of this magic weapon falls heavy on the wicked.
golden plover
(Gatherer has an issue with the name of the card and thus it's not in the system. Technically meaning there's not a magic card by that name)
golden plover
It'd definitely be sharking in bad faith, but gatherer is the database used for all official cards
rigid scarab
The response you would probably be given is "Yeah Gatherer's weird. Continue."
sleek ferry
where's zacama's side profile
would be funny if they just did his eye because he's too big
rigid scarab
It's just one dinosaur head
rigid scarab
"Zacama was not intelligent per se, but she was somehow aware that she had a name, and was able to inform Huatli of what it was through their magical connection."
Also can't you tell just by looking at her
I mean when I see Zacama I think 'woman'
lusty trench
Oh wow I hate how they made the "strixhaven star" text the same as the rules text
I legit had to double take it
glad peak
Goad all creature you don’t control, Strixhaven Star
lusty trench
I was like did I miss a mechanic
rigid scarab
Goad all creatures you don't control.
Strixhaven Star
rigid scarab
I was like did I miss a mechanic
Yes you did
Strixhaven Star fucking tore through pauper like paper machet
golden plover
Technicially it is grammatically correct to do that
lusty trench
It is but it's also bad for reading at a glance
golden plover
True
golden plover
...And Dockside has been crunched out
sleek ferry
So the entire cycle now give us a good land cycle
granite badge
tbh I don't like CEDH
for the sole reason that it simply isn't the way I wanna play MTG as a whole
MTG's comp scenes have never been compelling enough to me to get me to try them, at most I tried brewing some jank ass Magda build on arena a few years back but that's virtually it
fallow citrus
aight
lusty trench
It's second printing in a commander product this year
(hosts of Mordor was the other)
golden plover
Who wants it?
lusty trench
Literally no one
golden plover
I hope it's not the full cycle minus prime titan
golden plover
But it honestly might be because the colorless precon has the colorless titan
golden plover
Nah, Gavin said a proper colorless member to a few cycles in the eldrazi precon
The Titans are
"keyword (or fire breathing/ward)
~ ETB and attacks trigger"
fallow citrus
yeah
copper pecan
i really doubt it's gonna be annihilator
iirc maro has said that annihilator is probably never going to come back because it feels horrible to play against and is also extremely powerful
even annihilator 1 can win you the game if your opponent can't deal with it right away
copper pecan
colorless can do anything as long as the cost is high enough
golden plover
Let's see
White: Vigilance
Black: Deathtouch
Blue: Ward 2 (Why is it not keyworded as such?)
Red: Firebreathing
Green: Trample
So maybe First Strike?
sudden lava
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damn, good reprint
rigid scarab
My brother who just got into Magic is bummed out by Commander Masters for like
The most out there reason I could imagine
Not because it's overpriced or the card he wants didn't get reprinted
But because the set is all reprints and no new cards
zinc shard
Ah yes, Master sets are well known for introducing new cards
sudden lava
commander precons will have new stuff at least
rigid scarab
I think he's too Hearthstone-pilled to see the value in reprint sets
zinc shard
So I've started playing Standard to try and raise my rank.
Idk if I'm just being salty, but it feels like there's an obnoxious amount of removal most games
Then again I keep getting paired against Black decks
trail anvil
nah it's not just you, this standard has a lot of removal in it
best deck is currently control even
dense berry
they cant keep getting away with it
35 cent secret lairs
a masters set filled with upshifts of cards worth pennies
1000 dollar proxy packs
the bubble will pop eventually at this rate
atomic harness
EDH was fun today @fallow citrus had a couple of duels commander games and a wacky 6man pod w my friend
I got to cast karn, scion of urza's "ult* a lot, esper sentinel got up to 15/15 because of nettlecyst, lots of chunky menace construct action
for the 6 man I stopped a lot of game ending spells w my counters and killed two ppl but just fell a little short at the end, all good though
Bought a [[narset, parter of veils]] to go alongside T3F
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atomic harness
[[karn, scion of urza]] 
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atomic harness
Duels went g1 he's mana flooded, I'm mana screwed, Soulless Jailer clutches a win bc he couldnt Birgi combo. G2 got birgi combod, g3 got urza out pretty fast and had two counterspells backing up menace constructs
golden plover
fallow citrus
golden plover
Honestly based
twilit canyon
same
clever sun
LMAO
sudden lava
lusty trench
Matt Damon lookin headass
atomic harness
https://twitter.com/MYAKU_013/status/1680001211628396545?s=20
goated
sudden lava
Hints about the new commander precon cards
- There is a card that is not a planeswalker but enters with loyalty counters
- There is a new card with the adamant ability from Throne of Eldraine
- There is a card that can become a legendary 6/6 Nightmare God creature with menace and deathtouch.
- The colorless deck isn't just Eldrazi - for example, there's a new colorless Ikoria monster, and a new Strixhaven Archaic too!
- There's a card I loved that was originally designed for Commander 2018 and cut that finally shows up here
- There's a new titan, modeled after the M11 Titans
- There's a card that turns planeswalkers into birds
- There's a new impetus in the vein of the ones we original saw in Ikoria Commander
- There's a legendary card for an obscure flavor text character we saw in Time Spiral Block
- There is a card named "Guff Rewrites History"
- There's a legendary creature that makes you choose a planeswalker type.
- There is a mono blue planeswalker that has never gotten a card before - and no, its not one of the nine titans.
copper pecan
oh good they're finally giving cacophany a card
sudden lava
none of these feel like they would fit for the slither commander deck
trail anvil
man glad to see adamant again, I really wish that mechanic was standard playable
golden plover
I think Adamant is a really good idea if you push it way harder
Constructed needs reasons to make mono-color decks that aren't just burn
copper pecan
the problem with adamant is that you need to cost it as thought the adamant mode is always on for constructed
golden plover
Yeah, so push them
copper pecan
but in constructed you could just put three pips in the cost anyways so you don't need adamant to force monocolor
the non-adamant mode might as well not be there
and at that point why bother with the mechanic
golden plover
That's not necessarily true with how much fixing there is
Stuff like [[Invoke Despair]] was played in standard without being mono-black
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golden plover
Treasures and good lands make it too easy
copper pecan
see that's the problem though
in formats with good mana fixing adamant isn't an even remotely difficult hoop to jump through, so it might as well always be active
the restriction doesn't matter
lusty trench
Do we have the full set for commander masters revealed or is there a few more to go?
golden plover
I guess retool adamant as a more punisher mechanic
Something like "then if you control no non-X lands"
trail anvil
imo mana fixing is normally a better conversation than it was with stuff like fable
also there definitely is a way to do a base mode with a decent payoff then an adamant payoff with a better outcome
granite badge
Admant has always felt like a mechanic that rewarded you, not was a downside
Idt it needs to be pushed too hard to be relavent
fallow citrus
it's such an irrelevant keyword though
it literally just slightly rewards you for paying the correct mana
twilit canyon
yea adamant is weird
fallow citrus
I feel like if they never brought it back nobody would care
copper pecan
Admant has always felt like a mechanic that rewarded you, not was a downside
it's not a downside, it's just that the restriction is literally never relevant
fallow citrus
it's like I don't think anyone would be desperate for coven to come back
golden plover
Yeah Coven was kinda a nothing mechanic
So according to number crunch, there's a single rate cycle for lands we can get
@sleek ferry it's Battlebond lands
I fucking called it
Also Edgar is crunched out???
Literally the perect set to put him in
lusty trench
Where are yall getting your spoilers from my website I go to stopped updating
copper pecan
Literally the perect set to put him in
i don't think it would make sense to print edgar in a set with no other vampire tribal stuff in it
copper pecan
true
lusty trench
That are also in the rare or higher slot
trail anvil
it's like I don't think anyone would be desperate for coven to come back
coven felt like a draft mechanic entirely
I still think adamant could be used along similar lines to kicker
lusty trench
I feel so sorry for the LGS' that still have the coven precon in stock at like $15
sleek ferry
<@304354673647812608> it's Battlebond lands
Full set or just one of ally/enemy?
I bought the coven precon iirc
Idr why though
golden plover
Full set or just one of ally/enemy?
Enemy
golden plover
i don't think it would make sense to print edgar in a set with no other vampire ...
I mean there's really not an ideal set to put the eminence guys in, but if you're gonna, a commander draft set focused on legends feels like the best place
golden plover
Where are yall getting your spoilers from my website I go to stopped updating
This is just crunching at this point based on slots
lusty trench
Ah
meager isle
Are the allied fetches crunched out yet?
golden plover
Yup
meager isle
Boooooo
fallow citrus
surprised they didn't go for edgar after including the ur dragon
golden plover
Yeah honestly including the whole cycle feels obvious
But Edgar is $100
You're only allowed 3 $100 cards per master set
And 2 of them are gonna tank HARD after
meager isle
He’s down to 70 it looks like
zinc shard
waxen timber
I am generally terrible at draft but, LOTR is the easiest format I've ever played.
Red and Black are so good but, they still end up so open in Arena drafts
sleek ferry
Sheesh
twilit canyon
yea same
i got to diamond 4 earlier this week in draft
rakdos broken
i am also pretty ass at draft still
sleek ferry
Wish I had the opportunities to do draft, but currently farming wild cards takes priority
sudden lava
I wonder what time we getting reveal tomorrow?
copper pecan
usually when they do deck reveals it's around noon est
is it just the sliver deck being revealed or are they revealing the other ones too?
hidden ermine
What reveals are we getting tomorrow?
sudden lava
gonna be awhile till Dr Who
tomorrow we are getting 9 (plus reprints) new cards revealed
from CommanderAtHome, they are revealing the Sliver cards
sudden lava
is it just the sliver deck being revealed or are they revealing the other ones t...
the reveals are being split across content creators throughout the week.
atomic harness
How come there's this one commander channel that just has all the internet personalities
I saw ben brode and egoraptor playing
idr the name
sudden lava
Monday: Commander at Home (Slivers)
Tuesday: WeeklyMTG (Superfriends)
Wednesday: CommandZone (Enchantments)
Thursday: LoadingReady (Eldrazi)
sudden lava
idr the name
CommanderAtHome had Ben Brode
atomic harness
Ahh thats the name, thanks
does every episode from them feature a known internet personality?
copper pecan
the eldrazi one is the one i'm most interested in. colorless can do anything at high enough costs so i have no idea what to expect with that one
atomic harness
the eldrazi one is the one i'm most interested in. colorless can do anything at ...
we're casting ulamog turn 2 every game right
twilit canyon
god damn do i hate reminder text lol
sudden lava
good thing this says hand
twilit canyon
why
dense berry
if it didnt then it would cascade chain
tbh i dont think they needed to worry about that due to the nature of cascade
like sure you could cascade a blightsteel into a kozilek and then cascade again
but theres also the chance that the blightsteel cascades into a sol ring
zinc shard
"Then do it again" is one of the funnest lines of reminder text I've seen
copper pecan
what's wrong with it?
i think it does a good job of getting across what the card is supposed to do
dense berry
i think its confusing since they dont need to explain that you do it again
its literally just two cascades
you only need the reminder text for cascade
its also not super intuitive as to whether or not the second cascade resolves before or after the first cascaded spell
dense berry
the mechanic makes you question does the stack look like (top down = filo) this:
Maelstrom Wanderer
Cascade
Cascade
or does it look like
Maelstrom Wanderer
Cascade
Cascaded Spell put on stack
Cascade
and these are very different
atomic harness
god damn do i hate reminder text lol
Agreed kid
dense berry
in the first instance the second cascade trigger fully resolves and puts a spell on the stack which resolves before resolving the first cascade
in the second instance all three spells will end up on the stack at the same time
(it works like the first instance for reference)
dense berry
yo
atomic harness
were ults introduced with initial walkers or did it take a while? or how come not all walkers have ults
dense berry
they were all on the lorwyn walkers
garruk famous for his ult that was usable after one turn
im not sure the flavor reasons for some walkers to not have an ult
but its decent design space
atomic harness
yeah makes sense, my favorite walker rn thats been carrying me doesnt have an ult either
dense berry
narset?
dense berry
karn great creator is the best walker ever imo
atomic harness
I need a gc karn too tbh
dense berry
war walkers were a mistake
atomic harness
I think so too yeah how come half of them are randomly walking floodgates
Ashiok narset tef karn
dense berry
so my theory about it is that the war of the spark set was the first set designed around mtga
there had been other sets added to mtga before but iirc war was the first rotation
the set was designed in essence to force the standard metagame into more of a midranged value slog
atomic harness
interesting
dense berry
and floodgates are good for mobile game structures due to lowering the skill gap for new players to be able to beat more experienced players
atomic harness
how does karn gc work in commander by the way, do I just pull out my binder
dense berry
it doesnt work since sheldon is a hypocrite
for a solid decade the commander website said that wishes worked but talk to your group about the specifics of where your wishes pull from
i actually had a very memorable game where my brother put his entire box of eldrazi commons and uncommons from rise of the eldrazi onto the table with a spawnsire
but sometime around like 2016 i think they updated the rules to say wishes dont work
atomic harness
Does that mean karn gc just has the floodgate and animate then 
dense berry
yes
atomic harness
Well thats a shame
dense berry
and its still the best planeswalker in cedh
atomic harness
oo I guess cucking treasures is huge
atomic harness
I ran into ashiok last weekend, didnt hurt too much since I dont search or do gy stuff
so I left it alone
dense berry
ashiok is also goated
reid duke once said he would consider taking ashiok over a power 9 in power cube
or maybe it was mengucci idr but somebody Branded in Jund
atomic harness
do I just get all the gross WAR walkers and play it in my deck
tef ashiok narset karn, im 2/4 so far w tef narset
my walkers dont really get punched because the fat constructs block hard
my tef stayed alive for like 6 turns
dense berry
teferi is funny enough pretty awful in commander
atomic harness
I guess it depends on the table right
I played it when the baral guy was tapped out and he just died inside
dense berry
it turns off the tables interaction
atomic harness
Its ok i have the most 
dense berry
which usually means the person you pass to just wins
atomic harness
But yeah I noticed that too lmao so I dont actually use it tht much
Narset and Ashi should be good though right
dense berry
yeah they're pretty good
you have to really be able to protect them though
since commander has gotten so heavily creature based
atomic harness
you can count on me
dense berry
atomic harness
oh also I got esper sentinel up to 15/15 the other day
the table was like "holy sht just draw man"
golden plover
Does that mean karn gc just has the floodgate and animate then <a:MonkaNervous:5...
And grabs back exiled artifacts
atomic harness
Oh you can do that?
trail anvil
buffing esper sentinel is so fun
trail anvil
imoti vs velomachus land destruction is a funky matchup
just recast them that many times and eventually broke through on the last one lmao
sleek ferry
@rigid scarab I finally "finished" that dino battles list for standard you asked me for
rigid scarab
I deadass forgot about it
sleek ferry
me too, till I got bored of boros equipment
i'll post it soon as i'm done with this game
Cam: I will cast portable Hole
Tyler: I thought they call those pocket pussies?
fallow citrus
cowards could have given us first sliver
sudden lava
you at least are getting 2 cascades in the big AF deck
atomic harness
yoo is that pre rotation standard with extra steps
sleek ferry
just goes to show you how insane raffine is
atomic harness
I dunno thugs, hes losing hard to smothering tithe and bowmasters
rigid scarab
Hugs you lied to me
sleek ferry
oh sorry sickle
been grinding xp missions
i'll send it
@rigid scarab
[[tranquill frillback]] is insane as fuck btw
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When Tranquil Frillback enters the battlefield, you may pay 
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• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Exile target player's graveyard.
• You gain 4 life.
3/3
lusty trench
When the green card is pushed
sleek ferry
with everybody trying to cheat out atraxa/portal, he comes down and checks that, checks artifacts/enchantments and stabilizes you vs mono red
lusty trench
Just imagine this huge Dino pulling out the tiny defib
atomic harness
not insane enough to beat tivit
||tivit died first ||
sleek ferry
Gem day on arena
sleek ferry
||tivit died first <:ICANT:922503228241895464>||
swerved ya kid 
atomic harness
sleek ferry
golden plover
Ayy nice
I've actually got a Japanese tef in my Elsha deck rn
Although it's the alt art
atomic harness
Oh theres an alt art? til
meager isle
Wait fr?
atomic harness
meager isle
I know the foil is like $500 ish but didn’t know the regular one was pricey too
I lied they’re $600
Okay jp narset is $10
Could be worse I guess
atomic harness
I should get jp narset
golden plover
I kinda want one too, but not $10 want rn
golden plover
I kinda want one too, but not $10 want rn
I say this but I also spent $20 on Flooting, a $0.50 card
Second Amass Variant
lusty trench
Gross
golden plover
Weird fucking card
lusty trench
Reprint sliver queen you cowards
No balls
And the new card in the titan cycle is
Really a confusing choice
golden plover
Wait what
lusty trench
Oh also the lands in the deck are nothing special
The same lands we've been getting in commander precons forever
golden plover
Can't have too much value in the $80 precon
lusty trench
Deck is also missing like 3 of the big multicoloured slivers
First sliver, overlord and legion
I will say I am happy about vanquishers banner and heralds horn being reprinted often
sudden lava
Lazotep sliver looks pretty nasty
golden plover
Yeah those are cards that need to
They fixed [[Siphon Sliver]] to not look like shit either
golden plover
Woops
sudden lava
syphon sliver doesnt even look like a sliver
golden plover
Gee blue, how come Wotc lets you have two titans
golden plover
syphon sliver doesnt even look like a sliver
None of the M15 ones do
golden plover
Oh but people love cleansing nova
lusty trench
Day of judgment is right there bro it's not that much more
golden plover
Or... Just wrath?
lusty trench
Wrath is main set iirc
meager isle
Wait it’s $80?
lusty trench
Yeah the commander decks are $80 each
golden plover
Commander decks have been $50 for a while now but supplemental product ones are $80
Some stores will have to sell for $90-100 tho
golden plover
Me when the nova is cleansing
lusty trench
I would unironically leave it in my lgs' 1p singles box
meager isle
Holy shit why are they $80
lusty trench
Holy shit why are they $80
Because they're premium™️ (just don't look at the land base) (or the reprints) (just don't look at the decklists tbh)
Hopefully it's just the slivers that seem poopoo
golden plover
Holy shit why are they $80
Wotc LOVES money
lusty trench
What's the next deck up to bat?
I can't wait to look at the eldrazi deck list
(wotc fuming because they have to include wastes)
golden plover
It's fine
twilit canyon
its very specific
meager isle
A very specific polymorph seems eh
sleek ferry
the fact that it is specific is what makes it relevant as a win con
rigid scarab
Wait, why didn’t anybody post this
The world if this put the remaining cards in the graveyard:
sleek ferry
that would be broken
meager isle
the fact that it is specific is what makes it relevant as a win con
But you’re running things that this card can hit
Unless you’re only using tokens and big things I guess
sleek ferry
see, you're looking at it as me running things it can hit
I'm looking at is as using a niche commander that shares a type with x win con, throwing this down and winning the game outright
golden plover
You've gotta run like only some shape shifter tokens, Emmy, and blightsteel, or it sucks
Also no [[Sliver Hive]] in the sliver deck is insane
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lusty trench
Also no [[Sliver Hive]] in the sliver deck is insane
Had to make room for cleansing nova I'm afraid
rigid scarab
Reprint Cavern of Souls
rigid scarab
Reprint Coat of Arms
golden plover
reprint city of brass, it's just worse command tower anyways
Unironically tho
sleek ferry
i forgot coat of arms existed
rigid scarab
Actually insane
sleek ferry
outside of ur-dragon, were any other tribal commanders reprinted in the main set?
rigid scarab
Three Visits reprint is always welcome
golden plover
You'd think a $100 precon could have good reprints in it
Seeing this list, I'm worried for the other three
lusty trench
Nah $150 precons can't have value in it
$200 precons were such a bad idea tbh cause for £80 you could easily destroy all of these precons
sleek ferry
I'd be less worried about the other 3 only because the sliver deck was never going to have much actual reprint value outside of the actual slivers
the sliver pre con probably plays the best out the box though
lusty trench
the sliver pre con probably plays the best out the box though
With that land base?
golden plover
Did you actually see that land base?
rigid scarab
outside of ur-dragon, were any other tribal commanders reprinted in the main set...
Frayalise
Yuriko
Scarab God
Azami
Kykar
Morophon
Krenko
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Legendary Land
If Gemstone Caverns is in your opening hand and you're not the starting player, you may begin the game with Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield with a luck counter on it. If you do, exile a card from your hand.
: Add . If Gemstone Caverns has a luck counter on it, instead add one mana of any color.
golden plover
Not that one
twilit canyon
mines
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Land
Gemstone Mine enters the battlefield with three mining counters on it.
, Remove a mining counter from Gemstone Mine: Add one mana of any color. If there are no mining counters on Gemstone Mine, sacrifice it.
rigid scarab
Where's our mox diamonds in precons WOTC
golden plover
Wait fuck what's the shit one
twilit canyon
caverns is a cedh card and sees play never in regular commander
rigid scarab
Where's our mox opal
golden plover
Yeah there's one that's just "5: Tap for WUBRG"
It was literally in the Jared precon
twilit canyon
cascading cataracs?
rigid scarab
the sliver pre con probably plays the best out the box though
I think unironically the Eldrazi precon might be the best one
meager isle
Where are my battle bond lands wotc
twilit canyon
Where's our mox opal
mox opal requires an artifact density that would make the deck unplayable to run
lusty trench
I think unironically the Eldrazi precon might be the best one
At the very least they can't fuck up the land base
twilit canyon
battlelands should be free in all precons
lusty trench
(no wotc this isn't a challenge)
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Bad River enters the battlefield tapped.
, Sacrifice Bad River: Search your library for an Island or Swamp card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
rigid scarab
Thank you WOTC
golden plover
cascading cataracs?
That too, but there's a gemstone one
lusty trench
Wotc where are my precon true duals
twilit canyon
That too, but there's a gemstone one
i have no idea then
rigid scarab
WOTC where's my precon gaea's cradle
twilit canyon
lusty trench
Wotc where is my precon mana vault and crypt
Someone ping me when the other deck is revealed
Double ping me if it's the enchant one
rigid scarab
WOTC where's my precon Food Chain
twilit canyon
@lusty trench @lusty trench
golden plover
Oh I was thinking [[Crystal Quarry]]
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"How tragic that greed eclipses beauty." —Seton, centaur druid
twilit canyon
neither were revealed i just wanted to ping u twice
lusty trench
WOTC where is my precon docksid- WAIT A MINUTE
twilit canyon
oh crystal quarry
lusty trench
neither were revealed i just wanted to ping u twice
rigid scarab
@lusty trench @lusty trench
golden plover
@lusty trench it's okay I won't ping you when it's not revealed @lusty trench
lusty trench
If I see hero of dominaria or tef3 in that list I'll eat another jukidai naturalist
rigid scarab
I should ping them whenever it's not revealed
lusty trench
Don't ask why another
lusty trench
<@657540110950334465> it's okay I won't ping you when it's not revealed <@657540...
knew I could count on you
sleek ferry
surely we get a [[void winnower]] reprint in the eldrazi precon right
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rigid scarab
[[Breaker of Armies]]
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rigid scarab
Take it or leave it
sleek ferry
[[it that betrays]] ?
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lusty trench
[[it that betrays]] ?
You fool, there's now two breaker of armies
(the second one is called breaker of leggies)
sleek ferry
i actually don't think it that betrays would be reprinted
after them saying they dislike annihilator
lusty trench
Void winnower is not allowed in a precon for one reason
It's stax
And wotc would rather die than put stax in a precon
sleek ferry
[[not of this world]]
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Counter target spell or ability that targets a permanent you control.
This spell costs 
less to cast if it targets a spell or ability that targets a creature you control with power 7 or greater.
fallow citrus
god this art is so cool
sleek ferry
[[eldrazi conscription]]
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rigid scarab
god this art is so cool
I want the next Fact or Fiction art to just be
An image of the moon landing
lusty trench
god this art is so cool
syr
eldrane fof
golden plover
Best you're gonna get for eldrazi reprints is [[Desolation Twin]]
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golden plover
Note that they already said it's not an "eldrazi precon"
It's a "big colorless cards precon"
twilit canyon
its good that it isnt all eldrazi. itd be really annoying if eldrazi tribal in edh came entirely from 1 precon
sleek ferry
It's a "big colorless cards precon"
good, so [[blightsteel colossus]] and [[wurmcoil engine]] reprints
golden plover
Nah those are expensive
lusty trench
blightsteel
You are getting dark steel collosus lmao
golden plover
You'll get darkseteel and like it
rigid scarab
But I don't want darksteel
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golden plover
You're paying $100 for this, you think we can give you EXPENSIVE cards?
Nah, you'll get enough cards that it's just a bit of value, making it technically worth it
sleek ferry
it's not even unprecedented for them to give us good reprints in these precons
lusty trench
I can't remember the last amazing reprint in a commander precon
There's been good ones for sure
rigid scarab
How are we judging amazing
Toxic Deluge and Reanimate were pretty sweet
And Swan Song
meager isle
You could probably count the number of meaningful reprints of cards above $20 or so on your hands
No smothering at mythic isn’t meaningful
golden plover
I think Jeska's Will when it was like $45 was the last truly "great" precon reprint
They know the value of precons gets carried by the new cards even when they suck
lusty trench
Oh shit are we only getting 1 deck reveal a day?
zinc shard
Yup
golden plover
Sad
lusty trench
Didn't they normally do 2 a day?
golden plover
They used to
sleek ferry
I feel as if they would all just drop on the same day no?
sleek ferry
The new strixhaven archaic sounds interesting tbh
golden plover
I want a token for the sliver/orc/zombie army
dense berry
yoo theyre meat hooks again
golden plover
I mean, yeah
You could do this with [[Maskwood Nexus]], [[Arcane Adaptation]], and [[Conspiracy]] prior
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Creatures you control are every creature type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, : Create a 2/2 blue Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It is every creature type.)
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sudden lava
You could do this with [[Maskwood Nexus]], [[Arcane Adaptation]], and [[Conspira...
yeah but this is a two card combo
with one being to be searched for free (commander)
and a lot of mana but eh
golden plover
yeah but this is a two card combo
So is the combo with the above cards.
sudden lava
So is the combo with the above cards.
But you dont start with either half at start, Im thinking purely from if she is your commander.
in which world tree or realm breaker enables combo
golden plover
I don't think she's really worth it tbh
rigid scarab
Speaking of combos
sudden lava
it's an interesting twist on a tribal commander, that's about it
rigid scarab
I was wondering which is the card in mtg involved in the most combos
Cards like
Kiki-Jikki
Scurry Oak
twilit canyon
kiki
oak is involved in trash combos that arent viable anywhere really
kiki has been involved in combos longer than a lot of current players have been alive
rigid scarab
Kiki-Jiki is older than me 
sleek ferry
[[thassa’s oracle]]
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
When Thassa's Oracle enters the battlefield, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is your devotion to blue. Put up to one of them on top of your library and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. If X is greater than or equal to the number of cards in your library, you win the game. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
1/3
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[[devoted druid]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
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Put a -1/-1 counter on Devoted Druid: Untap Devoted Druid.
"Mana lurks in all things, even in the depths of one's own heart."
0/2
rigid scarab
Thoracle has been the poster child of every 'draw deck' combo
Devoted Druid needs any +1/+1 outlet for infinite mana
I was thinking Aetherflux?
sleek ferry
Nah I’m trying to figure out a 1 card win con for the new enchantment out of the command zone
What’s the one that mills cards till you hit a basic
rigid scarab
Aw
meager isle
Nah I’m trying to figure out a 1 card win con for the new enchantment out of the...
who?
last glen
Hmm
Should I swap out my Thrashing Brontosaurus with Tranquil Frillbacks
rigid scarab
[[Thrashing Brontsaurus]]
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[[Thrashing Brontosaur]]
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Creature — Dinosaur
, Sacrifice Thrashing Brontodon: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
It cares more about preserving the herd's territory than about preserving itself.
3/4
rigid scarab
Yes
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[[Tranquil Frillbacks]]
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Creature — Dinosaur
When Tranquil Frillback enters the battlefield, you may pay up to three times. When you pay this cost one or more times, choose up to that many —
• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Exile target player's graveyard.
• You gain 4 life.
3/3
sudden lava
so tomorrow is planeswalker stuff, ok
