#Magic the Gathering

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rigid scarab
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I made a pfp tier list

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And Picrew is so far down you cant see

sleek ferry
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That new spell seeker art is kinda fire

fallow citrus
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waot

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wait

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finally????

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rigid scarab
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Yeah

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This was one of the first things shown to bring in hype

atomic harness
fallow citrus
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that's cracked

rigid scarab
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Along with

fallow citrus
atomic harness
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What about bersonal butor

rigid scarab
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Ur Dragon and Jeweled Lotus

fallow citrus
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lotus is good idc about ur dragon

rigid scarab
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You hurt my dragon's feelings

atomic harness
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Yeah urd is cring sickle

sleek ferry
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Btw Ren, how close are we to doing commander on spell table

fallow citrus
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good that urdragon is being printed though it needs it

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going to assume edgar markov will be in the same set too

golden plover
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God if this was a rare it'd be hilarious

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It being a mythic is gonna feel SO BAD

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This set is gonna be so hit or miss lmao

sleek ferry
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That’s every sealed set in the history of every tcg

rigid scarab
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Surely there's a set out there that guarantees profit 100% of the time

atomic harness
fallow citrus
twilit canyon
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urza looks like he ripped a fat one from his bong

fallow citrus
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alternatively it's the cover of his new hit single

twilit canyon
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powerstone

rigid scarab
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Oh

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Insurrection's gonna be a bulk mythic isn't it

rigid scarab
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Urza's Command

golden plover
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Insurrection is cool, but it's another weird upshift

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What's everyone's favorite $0.89 rare from Double Masters bulk?

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That's right

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Mizzix got another wasted slot

golden plover
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Zero chance they fuck this up, right?

meager isle
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Wym fuck this up?

golden plover
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Like they've gotta do the full cycle

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Since like 3 of them are $40+

rigid scarab
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Holy shit they're RARES?

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Ok WOTC

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You got one chance

lusty trench
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Imagine they make guardianship mythic

meager isle
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I think the video confirmed the whole cycle

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Oh wait nvm they didn’t

golden plover
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Lmao I'd cry

meager isle
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Could you imagine if this and say the green one is the only one that gets reprinted

golden plover
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So far they've only shown this one, yeah

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Theoretically odds are we get the whole cycle

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But

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Wait someone send me a blue rare that starts with a letter after E

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Spellseeker is 120, meaning there's 30 cards between them

meager isle
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Is fof still rare?

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[[fact or fiction]]

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rigid scarab
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Fblthp

golden plover
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FoF is usually uncommon rn

meager isle
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That’s a no

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Fbl works

golden plover
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Wait did they reveal fblthp

rigid scarab
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No

golden plover
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I meant one in the set

rigid scarab
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You said to name a blue rare AWAAAAAA

golden plover
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Gonna need to see how many slots come after "Evacuation" and before the first G card

rigid scarab
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Mizzix

golden plover
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Mizzix is multicolor

rigid scarab
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Personal Tutor

golden plover
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110

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Means 31 cards between it and "Evacuation"

rigid scarab
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So

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At minimum

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33 blue rares

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Wait no

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Im stupid

golden plover
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33 blue cards

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Total

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Could be all commons

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But it's the closest to "Fierce" we have rn

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Also, Emrakul is soft confirmed

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Kozilek is 002

glad peak
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Wait, emrakul in a commander set?

golden plover
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Promised End isn't banned

glad peak
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Oh that one

golden plover
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Yup

glad peak
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I keep forgetting that it exists

golden plover
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Well it could be Bosh, Codie, Graaz, or Hope of Ghirapur

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But it's probably Emrakul

golden plover
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Speaking of crunched out: Jeska's Will (so likely the whole cycle) and [[Parallel Lives]]

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golden plover
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Honestly crazy this card still hasn't gotten a reprint jesus

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$50 and the only reprint was the judge promo

sudden lava
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oh yeah reveal season soon right?

golden plover
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Been ongoing

sudden lava
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Im excited for the new slivers

lusty trench
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LETS GO

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golden plover
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This is what, the 4th time they've thrown him in a set as a joke card?

lusty trench
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Needs to be more tbh

copper pecan
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he's good in limited

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this isn't like them throwing in storm crow or something

golden plover
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True, I'll take him over storm crow

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But he's gonna feel bad in your legendary slot

copper pecan
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he's an uncommon

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literally every set has junk uncommons

golden plover
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True. There's just an extra slot for chance at double rare here

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Any uncommon legend is gonna feel bad in that slot

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Or Krenko

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Or Azusa

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Honestly, I guess Krenko/Azusa/Mizzix will feel a lot worse in that slot

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Like at least with an uncommon, you didn't get a second rare. With one of them, you got one but they're a $0.15 card

copper pecan
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you know most people don't buy these just to resell them right

golden plover
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I'm aware

copper pecan
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they don't care about the secondary market value

golden plover
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The issue tho is this is a masters set

copper pecan
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they just want fun cards

golden plover
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And it'ss not like krenko or mizzix got new treatments that people are gonna be excited to see

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It's the same art and foils from Double Masters for them

copper pecan
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people like krenko

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krenko is a really good card

golden plover
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Krenko is cool, but he's gonna feel like shit in your $10-$15 pack

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I guess the issue is mostly just that this set is too expensive

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They mentioned a bunch of "spicy" rares being in the set on the stream, which would be cool if it was in DMR range

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But the "spicy" rares are gonna feel bad in your $500 box, because realistically, no one is drafting this

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It's a $75+ draft

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That's not happening

twilit canyon
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arena vintage is on the cards pogofgreed

trail anvil
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haven't they done a mwm in a similar fashion?

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ig it was more precons or singleton, but it'd be fun to have a higher power format with restricted cards

copper pecan
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iirc they did an event around the time theros beyond death came out where you could play precons that had the power 9 in them

twilit canyon
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the theros event yea

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u played elspeth vs ashiok

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they had power in them

copper pecan
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my boy returns

zinc shard
golden plover
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Nice downshift

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Morophon is also a good reprint

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Hopefully more of that kinda stuff

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lusty trench
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Finale of devastation

sleek ferry
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that art is both sick and kinda weird at the same time

lusty trench
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This set has way too many bulk rares for me to be interested in it

fallow citrus
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why is mtggoldfish's site so shit on mobile

atomic harness
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frfr

lusty trench
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Y'all wanted more bulk rares right?

rigid scarab
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Well we got Obscura Haze

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That's all we need here nyaruhodo

sleek ferry
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wait half of these aren't bulk rares though

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also, does Godo reprint mean Helm of the Host reprint zoomeyes

lusty trench
modern minnow
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what is the best standalone commander (no partners)?

meager isle
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5c probably

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So… kenrith?

lusty trench
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Kess is up there

glad peak
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Najeela not being on your minds in the top 2 is concerning smug

golden plover
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Oh wow I love pulling...Sai?

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Dude is in like every blue precon

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Also seeing lots of one-offs from cycles

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Which does not bode well for either the rare slots, or the guardianship cycle

meager isle
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We finally got commandeer reprint at least I guess

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Not like we needed the rest of the cycle

golden plover
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Yeah but untill I see a second member of the Ikoria free spell cycle, imma be worried now

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Y'all can have the $3 black one, but not the two $40 ones

meager isle
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Was it that cheap?

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Looks like it was $30

golden plover
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Oh was it? The green one is stupid cheap

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Because it's bad

meager isle
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Yeah green is garbo

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White is fine so it’s $10

golden plover
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Y'all wanted bulk

meager isle
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Wasn’t this pricey too?

golden plover
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It's $0.80

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It's a core set rare

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And bulk

meager isle
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Ah it was like $10 when it was only in coreset

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But I guess it’s been reprinted a lot

golden plover
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And bulk

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Green one tho

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So we might see the cycle

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Imma hold out hope

meager isle
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Is that Azusa?

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No wait no Power

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What is it?

lusty trench
golden plover
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meager isle
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Oh that’s good news

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But imagine opening it KEKW

golden plover
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That's at least 2 of the cycle

lusty trench
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Cyclonic confirmed

meager isle
golden plover
lusty trench
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Not only that

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Rishkar downshift

golden plover
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Alms Collector is nice too

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Oh so they can downshift legendaries

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They just chose not to for a billion shitty legends in this set

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Oh and they downshifted Star of Extinction and Ob too

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Good, both would have felt like shit in the mythic slot

sleek ferry
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Bro that ob nix art is pretty nice

lusty trench
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Star of extinction feels like shit in the rare slot too

golden plover
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Half the mythics already feel like shit so adding more wouldn't help

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It's okay, half the rares feel like shit too

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Imagine opening Sai and Star

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Champion's Helm is a good reprint too. Didn't realize the card got to $30

atomic harness
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what set is this, boctor bwo?

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so many bulks

golden plover
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Hopefully we get Commander's Plate too, but downshifted to rare

lusty trench
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I'm really confused why they put the shit cyc rift in the preview video

sleek ferry
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I was just thinking about Commander's Plate also

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and War Room

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We still haven't seen a land cycle in the rare slot right?

golden plover
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Nope

sleek ferry
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so we'll def be getting that

golden plover
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Can almost guarantee it's gonna be a shitty one

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I'm guessing battlebond lands again

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0 chance it's shocks because they would have said so

sleek ferry
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I'm cool with battlebond lands, but those seem to slowly be getting put into precons

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which i'm cool with

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enemy fetches would be ideal, since mh2 was ally fetches

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or was it backwards

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whichever

golden plover
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It's 100% not fetches

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They'd have advertised that fetches were in it

lusty trench
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ASHLING AND 99 MOUNTAINS CONFIRMED VIABLE

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golden plover
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Okay this is weirdly huge

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$3 uncommon that got downshifted to common

lusty trench
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pull up to draft
Pack ashling
Play ashling and 99 mountains
Go 0-3
Go home happy

golden plover
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Oh the land cycle has been confirmed

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It's the Thriving Lands

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Oh well that's the common land cycle

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No clue what the rare is

sleek ferry
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i was about to say

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thriving lands are common

golden plover
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Upshifted bby

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They're mythics now

sleek ferry
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oh

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you know what would be a solid land cycle

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ikoria triomes

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actually

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that makes a lot of sense

golden plover
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Nah they're too new

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Half are still in standard

sleek ferry
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its been 3 years

golden plover
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We're definitely not seeing the triomes

meager isle
golden plover
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All the triomes are like $15 too

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We can't have that many cards worth money in here

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I know boxes are $500, but we can't have too much value

lusty trench
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Set must be worth $300 for all cards

sleek ferry
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Are they actually? I see collector's boxes for $230

lusty trench
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They're talking set boxes

sleek ferry
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set are $380, which seems weirdly high

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You can buy an MH2 set booster box for $200 right now

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and almost guarantee your value back

golden plover
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I dunno where you're seeing $380 for a set box

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Cheapest I'm seeing is like $400

sleek ferry
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tcgplayer has them at $378 from verified sellers

golden plover
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And remember Amazon can afford to undercut LGSes so you'd probably be paying more for it in stores

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$380 is still a ton for a booster box

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Means it's never gonna get drafted

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Also, technically the collectors booster boxes are cheaper yeah, in that they're $300

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But reminder a collectors booster box is 4 packs

sleek ferry
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Wouldn't be surprised if they do some expedition type shit for collector's booster boxes tbh

golden plover
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My old LGS back home couldn't afford to stock collectors boosters at all, and were telling me they've gotta run packs at $12 a pack for set boosters

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I've heard a couple other people saying the same thing since wotc makes LGSes buy boxes at MSRP

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Only the Premium LGSes get a discount and that's a hassle to get into

lusty trench
golden plover
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Oh that's a good reprint

lusty trench
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Richard kane Ferguson art? On my stax piece? It's more likely than you think

golden plover
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And RKF art

lusty trench
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Also have the trash man

golden plover
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He's like $30

lusty trench
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He's spewing garbage all over the ring

golden plover
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The rares in this set are so hit or miss

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$30 rare, immediately followed by a $0.50 rare

sleek ferry
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can we have a collector ouphe reprint too

lusty trench
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The flavour text on abolisher goes hard

golden plover
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Hey at least he got downshifted from $0.50 mythic

sleek ferry
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I'm trying to think of other stax pieces i need reprinted

golden plover
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Winter Orb, cowards

sleek ferry
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trinisphere?

golden plover
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Sike, you're getting Thalia again

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She's gonna get the weird profile art too so she can keep getting new arts

lusty trench
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They're not reprinting winter orb

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They at least want to pretend this will be a draftable format

sleek ferry
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I think the issue with making a commander set draftable

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is, look at CL1. Best drafting commander experience, but not huge in value

lusty trench
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More bulk

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golden plover
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Oh yeah, the biggest issue is them pretending this set is draftable

lusty trench
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Card is actually in a lot of blue Precons why is this here

golden plover
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It's a $75 draft, so no one will and the draft format looks like it'll be ass

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Just go to set boosters only (at DMR prices lmao) and go "Set isn't draftable"

sleek ferry
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mystic confluence was actually just in the lotr precons lol

golden plover
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It's in every blue precon

sleek ferry
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with new art

golden plover
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Same with Sai and he's taking up a slot

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The rares in this set are so hit or miss

sleek ferry
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That in itself is fine. Around 66% of all rares in any given set are usually niche-bulk

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but we need more value to justify $380 a box

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urza's saga would be nice

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esper sentinel + mystic remora

atomic harness
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Urza's Saga Ahri7

sleek ferry
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you have yours already don't you ren?

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I need it for my Grixis commander

atomic harness
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Yeah I do

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I'm thinking about getting one ring or rhystic study rn

sleek ferry
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rhystic study is prob better for you

golden plover
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Sentinel could really use a reprint tbh

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But there's a lot of cards that could

sleek ferry
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Ranger-Captain of Eos is due for a reprint

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last print was MH1

golden plover
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Dockside again (at rare) would be nice

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Mythic didn't help the price much at all

sleek ferry
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if dockside gets reprinted, it would 110% still be upshifted to a mythic

golden plover
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For sure. Spellseeker isn't as crazy and she got bumped to mythic

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Honestly, this set needs Mana Crypt

sleek ferry
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spellseeker is technically a finisher (in cedh at least)

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so that one i'm okay with

golden plover
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Oh I'm well aware, but she was rare last time and she's not really a mythic value card

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She literally got upshifted because $30

lusty trench
sleek ferry
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mana crypt/jeweled lotus would add a lot, miss me with scroll rack though, its been reprinted too often

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well that's a $20ish card

golden plover
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Lotus is in the set

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That's not the worst mythic in the world I guess

sleek ferry
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Any chance they throw CEDH players a bone and reprint Thoracle + Demonic Consultation?

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underworld breach could also use a reprint

golden plover
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Oh breach would be good

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Yeah my wishlist is breach, mana crypt, sentinel, urza's saga, remora, and rhystic study

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And some other stuff worth more than $0.20

atomic harness
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flusterstorm mana drain maybe?

sleek ferry
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I say Breach, Sentinel, Urza's Saga, Remora, Swan Song, Ikoria Triomes all in the rare slot

atomic harness
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Swan song is nice

sleek ferry
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that would add a lot imo

atomic harness
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Mental Misstep ahri4

sleek ferry
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that would be nice, but i think it would be kinda crazy in draft

golden plover
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Oh and top

lusty trench
golden plover
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I know top is like $20 now but top would be nice

lusty trench
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I remember my animatou deck randomly containing double the rares

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So I have two of these

sleek ferry
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Oh, also Deflecting Swat reprint. Like if you're going to leave out guardianship, at least give us Rollick + Swat

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also Jeska's Will

golden plover
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Swat seems likely at least now

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Will has been crunched out

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As has Parallel Lives

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Lives desperately needs one

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Maybe Doubling Season

sleek ferry
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Will was in a precon recently, so it doesn't really NEED the reprint, but it would be nice

golden plover
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It's actively not possible based on the numbers

sleek ferry
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The Great Henge is another one

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that's due for a reprint

golden plover
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Oh shit yeah

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Henge NEEDS it

meager isle
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It was just in lotr

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I doubt we’ll get another one soon

sleek ferry
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yeah, but wotc loves double dipping on reprints at times

atomic harness
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Ohh I know

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annointed proc

sleek ferry
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and this one would be greatly needed

atomic harness
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Brozolith?

meager isle
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Doubling Season too then

sleek ferry
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Anointed Procession would be cook

meager isle
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More eldrazi

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Hopefully the other two are in it

sleek ferry
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what's the eldrazi stax piece called again

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[[void winnower]]

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golden plover
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He's not technically crunched out, but he sorta is based on cycles

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If they print all three titans, he's out

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Oh yeah, add Procession to my list too

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And Smothering Tithe

lusty trench
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Tithe is like £10 here rn

golden plover
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It's still like $20 in the US

sleek ferry
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I'm not too mad about tithe

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we got that other white enchantment

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what's it called

fallow citrus
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land tax?

sleek ferry
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no, it had like monkeys in the art iirc

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[[smuggler's share]]

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sleek ferry
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it's worse tithe, but it's cheaper

fallow citrus
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oh sure

golden plover
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I mean I'd def prefer tithe

meager isle
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Oh wow that tanked

golden plover
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Another weird upshift of a $20 card

meager isle
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Thanks wotc really needed this

golden plover
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Nice to see it reprinted, but it should be rare

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It feels like every third card got upshifted for some reason

lusty trench
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What planes is the lens looking at here, I see capenna and kaldheim

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But what's the third

golden plover
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Zendikar

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It's the skyclave

clever sun
golden plover
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Oooh wow pulling all the stops

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Misread it as "Courser" and got excited

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But charger is... A card that exists

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So is Magus of the wheel

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Precon masters lmao

lusty trench
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At mythic? Kinda gross

sleek ferry
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That’s a good mythic though

lusty trench
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He's like

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Less than a pack

golden plover
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He's a good enough mythic

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I can't wait to see [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]] get previewed

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golden plover
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Actually someone tag me if they put Talrand in here

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I will lose my shit

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This is a nice reprint

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Has a single print, $10, and first time foil

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Pack should have been more of those and less magus of the wheel and sai

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Oh Emrakul is crunched out

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Prismatic Piper is 01

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Because common

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Weird

sleek ferry
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Wait why is this my first time reading faerie artisans

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When was it’s only print

golden plover
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C16

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Artisans is actually a really good reprint in the rare slot

sleek ferry
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I need to find a cheap good overhead camera for spell table

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Any recommendations?

rich bronze
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Finale of devastation reprint

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Pog

rigid scarab
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But selling cards converts US prices 1:1

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Getting money's worth is gonna be rough

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Heroic Intervention rare is cool

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Skyshroud Claim common is like

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Fucking awesome?

sleek ferry
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[[skyshroud claim]]

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rigid scarab
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Card's been $2-3 for a really long time

golden plover
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There's definitely some good stuff in here

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But $400+ booster boxes really dampens the enjoyment

rigid scarab
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Really hoping that actual prices don't represent preorder

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As they tend to do

golden plover
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Oh it's gonna be $400 per box no matter what

sleek ferry
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If the set is cl2 lite it won’t

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We’ve seen sets dip if the sets value doesn’t match its price tag

rigid scarab
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LGS' have to stay somewhat close to big box

lusty trench
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This set needed more bulk

sudden lava
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I got 26 dollars, what cool stuff should I get

rigid scarab
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Your definition of bulk is very broad

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If the set booster is $400 for 24 packs

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Any rare below $16 is bulk

sleek ferry
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Well set boosters are closer to 2.5 rares per pack

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Wake the dead is a $4 rare

sudden lava
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also when we expecting reveals for the commander decks?

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for commander masters

sleek ferry
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Probably next week

sleek ferry
golden plover
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There's definitely some $20-$100 rares/mythics

sleek ferry
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Just taking average value into account

golden plover
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But for each good one, there's like 3 shit rares, an okay rare, and then a Magus of the Wheel

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Honestly fucking stunned they put magus of the wheel in here

sleek ferry
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Jeweled lotus would almost definitely make you break even in a box if you opened it

golden plover
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He's a $0.05 card

golden plover
meager isle
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Maybe he meant full art Foil

sleek ferry
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Also, there’s the wild card slot of set booster packs in The List slot

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No I’m taking regular versions of everything into account

golden plover
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Yeah you'd need 5 then

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The textrued variant, collectors booster only because of course lmao, is $500 on presale

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One of those would do it

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But that's spending $300 for 60 cards

meager isle
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Ha that’s cheaper than a 60 card Modern deck

golden plover
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True, but at least $300 into modern would get you all cards you'd actually use

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You could spend the $300 here and get Sai, Hidetsugu, Chainer, Fiery Confluence, Azusa, Karador, Chromatic Lantern, Omnath, and Insurrection as your rares/mythics for the whole box

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Obviously any sealed product is gambling, but JESUS it's blatant here

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Oh how could I forget, you can pay $60 to open [[Boompile]] and [[Teysa Karlov]]

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lusty trench
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That's 1 and a half tithes here

rigid scarab
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I think no matter the pack you shouldn't expect the regular rare to make you break even on the pack

lusty trench
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I think it shouldn't be $2 or less

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And given we've gotten both upshifted mythics and bulk mythics

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This set is absolutely garbage

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The only way it's saved is like

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Crypt reprint

rigid scarab
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I'm withholding judgment until after prices settle

lusty trench
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You know, the bulk rares were cool

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But you know what this set needed?

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MORE

sudden lava
golden plover
lusty trench
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I WIN

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ME SPECIFICALLY

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Minds aglow is decent

golden plover
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Dude did someone in 2012 design this set

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Braids???

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Also the whole join forces cycle...

trail anvil
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do you typically just play this when everyone is tapped out if you're not playing a group hug deck?

meager isle
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No

lusty trench
meager isle
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Wotc says join forces was a design mistake

twilit canyon
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you play it with [[notion thief]] effects

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lusty trench
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I also like will of the council

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Maybe I'm the problem

meager isle
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Didn’t we just get a voting deck?

lusty trench
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Yeah and I love it

trail anvil
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oh I misread it

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that's a fun eff

zinc shard
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People be like: "There is no God"

Bro there are several, and they are about to beat me to death

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lusty trench
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"how many legendary creatures do you want"
"How many you got in stock"

twilit canyon
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im actually super excited for ha7

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the stand-ins for nactl, bbe, and tribal flames are denoted

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im still working on the mana base here too

lusty trench
golden plover
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Another $11 single print, first time foil card

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Those are perfectly fine

meager isle
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You’re perfectly fine

golden plover
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Thanks?

sleek ferry
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also never seen lifeblood hydra in my life

golden plover
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Yeah most of these aren't like crazy good

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But I'll take $10 rares with a first time in foil printing over Sai, Master Thopterist

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I'm sure they won't hold value but that's fine

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Add to the wishlist: Painter's Servant and Cloudstone Curio

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They're not happening because $70 and $30 rares lmao, but I'd like to see them

meager isle
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Cloudstone is still pricey?

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Ew still $18

golden plover
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Cloudstone needs a reprint pretty badly

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So does Painter's Servant

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Honestly, I'd also like Nexus to get a first non-foil printing

meager isle
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Well it did get one

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But I guess box topper isn’t enough

golden plover
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Yeah box toppers don't super count

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They're still $20 with regular curio being $40

dense berry
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oh god is this entire set bulk rares lmao

golden plover
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It honestly is, yeah

dense berry
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im gonna tell my friend to cancel his preorder

twilit canyon
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they saw what happened with explorer anthology 3

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and said

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we cant let paper players feel left out of this treatment

golden plover
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It's funny, for every good reprint, there's a bad one, then an upshift, then a really bad one (looking at you Magus of the Wheel), then a decent one

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Spellseeker at mythic is still baffling to me

lusty trench
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Mythics are what 1:8 packs

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If you pulled 3 jeweled lotuses

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You still wouldn't make your money back

dense berry
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yeah its looking to be the worst EV ive seen in a while

golden plover
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Yeah for $400 a box, you've gotta pull at least 4 lotuses

dense berry
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and you have 4 packs to do it in apparently

golden plover
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That's a collector booster ($300 for 4 packs)

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A set booster is gonna run you $400-$500

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The price range for this set is fucking ridiculous

meager isle
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Damn I guess I’ll have to wait to buy lotus until next reprint

golden plover
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Lotus will probably go from $75 to $60ish

meager isle
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Thanks worc

dense berry
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and then back up to 75 before the next premium reprint set is announced

golden plover
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But yeah, it's not gonna do a ton for the price of the expensive cards when packs are looking anywhere from $12-20

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That's a single set booster btw. $15 average

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It's why we've all been complaining about bulk so much lmao

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If you hit a bulk rare at all, your pack was a waste

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Oh... Doubling Season is also crunched out

dense berry
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this set feels like one that might pop the bubble

golden plover
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Honestly? Probably not, but I do really hope it tanks lmao

dense berry
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on the last day they will anounce a serialized 1/1 black lotus reprint

golden plover
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I'm sure there's something serialized we haven't seen yet for the collectors boosters

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Lotus petal has a collectors booster only art

dense berry
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id imagine everything big like this is gonna have serialized cards

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we're getting 35 cent secret lairs for $39.99

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i assume hasbro is hitting critical mass of enshittification

golden plover
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Yeah but people will buy it

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I genuinely don't know what'll be enough to tank it at this point

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Like I thought "surely double feature will show how blatantly" the cash grab was. Then baldurs gate. Then the super drop. Now this

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I don't know what set will be bad enough

meager isle
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None

dense berry
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unfortunately there will always be reddit bellcurve madlad "investors" who see 35 cent secret lair as a high prospect investment

golden plover
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Yeah true. I mean we can get shit as bad as Aftermath, that still sells out immediately

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I legit can't see a set being bad enough at this point

dense berry
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at a certain point the reddit madlads just see the set being so bad as "well there wont be any demand for it now, which means it will be worth a lot of somebody wants it later"

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lack of demand will mean lack of supply later, hopefully by then the demand will be high

granite badge
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or whatever the one card is

golden plover
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Lmao are you serious

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[[Azami, Lady of Scrolls]]

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golden plover
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So much shitty bulk

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At least she's a classic commander. But come on

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[[Curtains Call]]

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golden plover
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This should have just been an uncommon

rigid scarab
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Curtains Call upshift is fucking wack yeah

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The most likely hits are probably gonna be from the Ikoria instants + Heroic Intervention

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And when I mean Ikoria instants I mean the good ones

lusty trench
sleek ferry
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Let’s gooo I love Sidisi

fallow citrus
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that kykar portrait lmao

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Dude Sidisi is like the 5th legend that was in double masters that's also in this

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What the hell

golden plover
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Why is [[Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder]] the only bulk rare to get new art?

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atomic harness
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that's an interesting title

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oh why does he kick the bucket by the way

zinc shard
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I think the implication is the Thrulls overpower and kill him

atomic harness
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makes sense, but that doesnt sound very masterful

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I was expecting thered be some upside for having that many thralls

zinc shard
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Card was $5 for an uncommon

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golden plover
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That's a pretty good print

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It's weird. So many decent to good reprints and then so much shit

lusty trench
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Oh right y'all wanted more bulk right

golden plover
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At least three of these are downshifted

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But God, come on

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He's like $10 too, so I guess he's fine

lusty trench
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Sorry accidentally posted this and can't remove it cause my phone is whatever

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Ah there we go

golden plover
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Behemoth is like $10, it's okay

lusty trench
golden plover
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But Jezal, the other dinos, the confluence, and Nahiri are decidedly bulk

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Oh wait did y'all see the most offensive bulk in the set?

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This is her third print THIS YEAR

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And she's a $0.05 card

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Could have EASILY been uncommon

lusty trench
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Cringe

golden plover
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I KNOW Talrand is coming at this point

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Someone tag me when we see him

lusty trench
golden plover
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Mikaeus and Demonic tutor are good

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Bribery is fine

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Mikaeus actually looks really good in the portrait style too

lusty trench
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I prefer the SL mikaeus but yeah these are fine

golden plover
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SL is his best art, but his profile actually works because he's got a pretty unique outfit and whatnot

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Like it's better than Azusa because you can tell who he is

rigid scarab
meager isle
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Why is bribery mythic

golden plover
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Hey another actually good reprint

lusty trench
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?

golden plover
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And another

rigid scarab
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Wayward is $9

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Wakening is $10

golden plover
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Mixed him up with Razaketh

lusty trench
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They're both sub £3 here

lusty trench
golden plover
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These are both good too

meager isle
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Is this the expensive ulamog?

golden plover
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Don't like Loyal Retainers being upshifted to Mythic tho

lusty trench
golden plover
meager isle
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Lmao ofc it is

golden plover
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I get loyal retainers couldn't stay uncommon

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But rare would have been fine

meager isle
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Gotta milk you

lusty trench
sleek ferry
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both ulamog's are the same price

lusty trench
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Like this is so blatant

sleek ferry
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what's the expensive ulamog

meager isle
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I was thinkng of emrakul I think

golden plover
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Although it is uncommon in masters edition, which was MTGO's older masters set

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So it theoretically should have been uncommon

rigid scarab
sleek ferry
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best ulamog btw

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lusty trench
golden plover
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The whole "rules text on the back for no reason" thing is dumb as hell

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Speaking of things I hate

lusty trench
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There is a reason for it

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Ohhhh nooo

meager isle
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What the fuck

sleek ferry
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i actually like that art

golden plover
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Profile Morophon

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It's cool art, but god it's gross

rigid scarab
sleek ferry
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I usuallhy look at cheapest verified seller for price

lusty trench
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I just look at lowest seller in my country

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It gets a lot lower if I order internationally

golden plover
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Not quite bulk, but not not bulk

lusty trench
meager isle
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Is the elder dinosaur cycle crunched out?

lusty trench
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I hope to god it has

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Just reprint gishath and zacama

rigid scarab
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I got Gishath

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Just hoping for Zacama

lusty trench
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Completely forgot zacama existed

golden plover
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LMAO I KNEW ZETALPA WAS COMING

lusty trench
golden plover
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TALRAND IS 100% COMING

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atomic harness
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[[morophon]]

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last glen
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Yo Dinosaur reprints?

sleek ferry
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Zetalpa was obvious for draft

golden plover
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Give it up for more double masters bulk

sleek ferry
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idk, maybe it's just me, but calling the legendaries (that have their own slot) bulk, when they're reprinting the most popular commanders literally of all time, seems disingenuous

golden plover
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There's a lot of popular legendaries that need it

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Also, a lot of these LITERALLY just got the same treatment in Double Masters 22

fallow citrus
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I am getting tired of the only comments about this set just being complaining about it

lusty trench
fallow citrus
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unfortunately we are not wotc and have no influence on the set so complaining about this just serves to get annoying after x amounts of time

lusty trench
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Good reprint

golden plover
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Isn't he still like $15?

lusty trench
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Ye

golden plover
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Dropped to $10, but yeah nothing wrong with $10 rares

hidden ermine
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*She

golden plover
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Ah gotcha

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Oh it's also her first time foil

hidden ermine
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I only know because this one is in german

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And its using the female word for knight

golden plover
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Huh

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Makes sense

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I don't think she's got like any lore

lusty trench
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I remember because of her anime art

golden plover
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I forgot she got an anime art

rigid scarab
golden plover
lusty trench
golden plover
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Master sets have historically not affected the price of mythics

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In fact, master set mythics USUALLY go up in price

rigid scarab
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I'm talking

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lusty trench
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Good ass reprint right there

rigid scarab
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The sealed box

golden plover
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Oh yeah if the set stays this way, no shot it stays $400 a box

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The reprints today have been better than average but there's still so much bulk

sleek ferry
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this is the first reprint of puresteel paladin since commander 2021 iirc?

golden plover
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Shit like [[Curtains Call]] should never have been rare

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rigid scarab
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Like I'm sorry but I don't see my LGS maintaining a $560 set booster box

golden plover
fallow citrus
lusty trench
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Richard kane Ferguson can do no wrong

rigid scarab
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Like yes the bulk rares and mythics are bad

sleek ferry
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this art reminds me of Saint Seiya for some reason

rigid scarab
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Yes the excuse of being for draft is flimsy

lusty trench
rigid scarab
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It gets to the point where I'm now seeing some people go from pro-proxy to anti-singles

golden plover
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See if the set was priced like DMR there really wouldn't be any issues

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It's just that $12 packs, $75 draft, and $400 boosters gets into "you've gotta be fucking kidding" range

lusty trench
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Me screaming at my lgs to not buy a lot of commander masters (they will not listen) (they bought 76 lotr start kits)

golden plover
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They bought 76????

lusty trench
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Yup

rigid scarab
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And the $400 price is guaranteed to go down

golden plover
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I have actually seen LGSes in my area saying they can't afford to stock it rn because they'd have to run such a high markup

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Wizards sells them the boxes at $360 a box

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$400, the Amazon price, isn't a price they can do

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They'd have to do at least $450

rigid scarab
golden plover
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He was telling me that they don't get a discount and have to buy the boxes from wotc at MSRP

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They'd also have to mark-up the precons to $100 a pop

rigid scarab
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No fucking way an LGS buys boxes from WOTC at MSRP

golden plover
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Premier LGSes don't

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Regular ones do

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Not an expensive card, but first foil printing

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Well not counting his absolutely AWFUL SL art

rigid scarab
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LGS' usually spend about $100 to distributors for a box, no?

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And that $100 is really highballing it

golden plover
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Depends on the box

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They can get standard sets and stuff cheaper, but the pricier a box is, the less chance they can

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Also a nice reprint

rigid scarab
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But still everywhere I'm reading says $85-$95

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$95 if the LGS is new

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$360 for an LGS is just fucking absurd?

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How would WOTC at all expect that LGS to profit

golden plover
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I don't know the specifics. He was just telling me wotc doesn't cut a deal on boxes for premier sets

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Standard sets are cheaper and they can get them for a reasonable price I assume, but they also had trouble with MH2 for the same reason

rigid scarab
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That just

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Does not sound right at all

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Do they expect them to profit off of draft?

golden plover
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Yeah pretty much

rigid scarab
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Also WOTC themselves aren't the distributors

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There are many distributors under WOTC

golden plover
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I know. But LGSes have an approved list of distributors

rigid scarab
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So it could very well be that specific distributor

golden plover
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It might be an area thing in that the only distributors in the area that are approved are not willing to cut a deal then

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I didn't ask for too many specifics because that store is 3 hours away from me, but it sounded like a lot of stores are getting fucked over on Commander Masters

rigid scarab
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Like if a premium set is distributing at MSRP

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And you are expected to sell at MSRP

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Why would you ever stock up on that set

golden plover
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People will pay more for it too though

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Keep that in mind

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And there's people who only buy a couple packs

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You're really only finding boxes for this set under $400 on Amazon and like tcgplayer/card kingdom

rigid scarab
#

And again these are just preorders

golden plover
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And someone might come in for commander night/whatever and see the set and go "oh I'll buy 2 packs"

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I don't work at an LGS, I don't know all the specifics. Only what people have told me

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Oh shit finally an art for vandalblast that isn't Seb McKinnon

meager isle
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Wait it was seb?

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[[vandal blast]]

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meager isle
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Ah

golden plover
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That's a good reprint too

meager isle
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Oh very nice

rigid scarab
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Oh phew

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I was worried the LOTR topper would mean this wasn't gonna be reprinted

golden plover
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That means curio still has a chance at rare

lusty trench
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Ayy nice

golden plover
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Oh remember the wacky upshifts?

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They're back

lusty trench
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SMOTHERING TITHE MYTHIC

hidden ermine
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Is that Tithe at mythic?

meager isle
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Didn’t it get a full art at rare though? What the fuck?

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Why upshift it now?

glad peak
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because commander staple

golden plover
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Because "the draft experience"

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Also because it got reprinted at rare and is still $30

lusty trench
golden plover
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Honestly, is it even worth it in draft?

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Like I know you absolutely do not play spellseeker in limited

lusty trench
golden plover
#

True

zinc shard
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I'm glad I got my Smothering Tithe from that one Orzhov precon back when it came out

golden plover
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God I forgot this shitty as guy existed

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He also got like 2 reprints this year

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Does anyone actually like this card?

twilit canyon
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i have never seen this card before in my entire life

lusty trench
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He's was £10

trail anvil
#

is this not annoying with mana rocks

golden plover
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trail anvil
#

ig you can remove him without using too much mana

golden plover
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He gives the rocks back too

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So you either have to use him in a turn you're gonna pop off and immediately win or he's useless

twilit canyon
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not if u sck them

lusty trench
golden plover
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Also he doesn't flash

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If he had flash, he'd be solid

lusty trench
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No he wouldn't

golden plover
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Well moreso playable

lusty trench
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Cause your opponent just taps down while they're on the stack

golden plover
#

True

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He's deceptively bad

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Like unironically kinda terrible

#

I keep saying this, but honestly would he have been an issue at uncommon?

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I know all the rocks are uncommon in draft, but this dude is BAD

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He's the wrong treasure-related goblin

lusty trench
#

Still at uncommon? Nice

golden plover
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That's good

glad peak
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He’s a treasure nabber but can’t get treasures

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Sus

meager isle
#

Man so much treasure nabber hate here

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I think he’s good

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Never not liked him

golden plover
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I've seen him in use exactly once

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And he's kinda just not worth it

lusty trench
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I don't like it mainly cause it draws hate

meager isle
#

I find it to be the opposite

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Well not opposite

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More like they’re fine with it since they get it back

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Unless I have kci then I deserve the hate

golden plover
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I remember when it got revealed and everyone thought it was broken

meager isle
#

I remember that lol

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Meta warping

golden plover
#

Then everyone realized it sucked

sleek ferry
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You can also just play around treasure nabber lol

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I actually completely forgot he existed

lusty trench
#

When you ask wotc why LGS were only given 2 loyal retainers as magic 30th promos

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sleek ferry
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Time to add him to my [[osgirl the reconstructor]] deck

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meager isle
#

You would get targeted down for that lol

sleek ferry
#

It’s okay

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We’re in boros

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Perfectly fair colors :^)

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I actually have a couple wip’s right now for casual and cedh

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[[anhelo]] for casual

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lusty trench
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Anhelo is a commander I wanted so badly to make work

sleek ferry
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It’s def an uphill climb

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You need enough token creation to balance out the high instant/sorcery count

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Also the fact that it can’t sack itself was always funny to me

lusty trench
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Can't paint using yourself as the paint bucket

meager isle
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Well tbf he’s only half a bucket

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Gotta make him stronger

sleek ferry
#

I actually really love all the mechanics that are in new cappenna

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Some of the commanders just fell short

golden plover
#

There we fucking go

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Upshifted to Mythic but that's the good shit

#

Oh well I guess it's actually been mythic more often than rare? I thought it was rare in battlebond, huh

meager isle
#

A man can hope

zinc shard
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Just got reprinted in the LOTR decks but still nice

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atomic harness
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@meager isle I had a funny edh game a while back, my stax friend had us on commander ouphe yeah
so all my artifact mana didnt work but I still had super chunky constructs w menace

meager isle
#

Revenge of the artifacts

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I hope they all went towards ouphe player

atomic harness
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Then the combo izzet man chaos warps the ouphe, our mana gets unlocked, he goes for high tide I let him
then when he goes for frantic search tapping out I miscast him

"im the one who outed the ouphe yet I still eat the counterspell noo"

I felt bad so I apologized but it was bc he was gonna pop off

meager isle
#

yea he had it coming lol

atomic harness
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The other guy was on this Horse selensya life gain +1/+1 deck
he had a 42/42 serra avatar

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the prizing for our pod was for 1st and 2nd my stax friend had no way to defend himself since all he had left were phyrexian mites, serra was about to one shot him. I decided to save him by dispatching the indestructible vigilance 42/42 guy (he had a horse that gave those keywords)

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then my friend tainted striked one of my menace constructs who got through so it was 12 infect

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was a fun time

meager isle
#

Oh there's prizings? monkaGIGA

atomic harness
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Uhh it was a paid pod first time trying it out

meager isle
#

Well I'm glad it wasn't too competitive lol

atomic harness
#

we asked about power levels and they said it was pretty casual yeah

sleek ferry
#

Bro a paid pod sounds nice

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Like I’m all for a fun game of commander, but with a little prizing for a bit more of tryharding is nice

glad peak
#

Paid pods aren’t too bad

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People think it’ll be cedh but it’s usually cards people have and maybe a budget cedh deck that loses to attackers

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Also the power level of most casual decks are high enough that they have a good enough chance to play Vs cedh (not 25% but close enough)

golden plover
#

Yooooooo

zinc shard
#

neat

glad peak
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The p3k cards are kind of not great to have a price analysis of because they’ve been printed once in a super short run

golden plover
#

This is like 1 of 5 relevant ones

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Imperial Recruiter, Loyal Retainers, Riding the Dilu Horse, Him, Imperial Seal, and the extra turn spell

meager isle
#

Why Mythic tho

glad peak
#

because formerly expensive

meager isle
#

Well I do get it’s a huge powerhouse ij draft but still

golden plover
#

Because $100 pricetag

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And "draft balance"

glad peak
#

but also look at the price history of the reprinted p3k cards, they're in the tens or single digits now

meager isle
#

None were mythic were they?

golden plover
#

Yeah the cards don't hold value

meager isle
#

What rarity was the extra combat one

golden plover
#

Recruiter was in MH2

#

Seal was also

meager isle
#

Ah right recruiter

#

Seal is still stupid expensive

golden plover
#

Recruiter is like $2 now

meager isle
#

Not 300 expensive but too much

#

I think it’s more than vampiric

golden plover
#

Sun Quan will drop hard

meager isle
#

Probably yea

golden plover
#

Riding the Dilu Horse is crunched out

#

Sucks because that card could use it

#

Would drop it to like $3

atomic harness
#

and their interaction is a bit wonky vs me

rigid scarab
#

Ashnod's Altar uncommon is wild

#

I thought for sure they were upshifting

atomic harness
#

Mail day

lusty trench
#

Actually good reprints

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We still don’t know the rare land cycle for the set right?

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Arachnogenesis was also randomly a $50+ card

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Razaketh is gonna fucking dip harder than anything

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Card is such a meme

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I just realized we're gonna get a lord windgrace reprint huh

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Oh that would be the first since the precon no?

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Yep, only other print of it was this

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meager isle
meager isle
fallow citrus
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it is extremely cute

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now I kind of want to make windgrace just to use that art

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$30 for that art though. Which honestly, isn't that horrible