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hidden ermine
hidden ermine
The point is moreso the wording
Magic can at least check the source of spells or abilities
hard orchid
aparently so
twilit canyon
i knew the me from a few months back did some research
hidden ermine
Does still have the problem of not working with damage
hard orchid
it's still a whole lot of words for an effect that is not typically used
hidden ermine
Which is why you might need a writearound
atomic harness
Is lorien revealed actually good?
fallow citrus
[[lorien revealed]]
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Sorcery
Draw three cards.
Islandcycling 
(, Discard this card: Search your library for an Island card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
"Look on us now with friendly eyes! Behold the trees of the Naith of Lórien and be glad!" —Haldir
fallow citrus
uhhh
not really but it landcycles so if you can do stuff with sorceries and instants in grave it might not be bad
thinking like uuhh
[[capricious hellraiser]]
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Creature — Phyrexian Dragon
This spell costs 
less to cast if you have nine or more cards in your graveyard.
Flying
When Capricious Hellraiser enters the battlefield, exile three cards at random from your graveyard. Choose a noncreature, nonland card from among them and copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
4/4
hexed plover
man im a nice dude i bought the secret lair set for streetfighter for a friends birthdays but the vendor send the wrong packagewith singles worth so much more
atomic harness
not really but it landcycles so if you can do stuff with sorceries and instants ...
Ah this like weird youtube shorts thing was recommending it
"must have in blue decks for bommandr!!"
fallow citrus
I mean like
it's ancestral recall for 5 mana
which isn't good
but again, if you can abuse the landcycling it probably isn't bad
atomic harness
Gotcha
waxen timber
not really but it landcycles so if you can do stuff with sorceries and instants ...
Being 1 to islandcycle is decent and the draw 3 is probably better than any of the other islandcycler
fallow citrus
well yeah of course
no other landcyclers have been 1 mana
which is why oliphaunt and generous ent are now in LE
dense berry
Is lorien revealed actually good?
bomb for pauper cube
meager isle
Being 1 to islandcycle is decent and the draw 3 is probably better than any of t...
The question becomes do I cut a land for it?
Since it’s like a mdfc
twilit canyon
it isnt an mdfc and it isnt a full land. i would only cut it if you are sure to cast the actual card too
meager isle
Well I know it isn't one, I'm saying it's comparable to one
twilit canyon
yea what im saying myself is that not being an actual mdfc matters
meager isle
how?
twilit canyon
big point being it costs 1 mana to find the land
think of them if anything like a slow fetch
meager isle
which isn't too big of a difference of a tapped mdfc land
twilit canyon
it can be though since those tapped mdfcs are way more castable
meager isle
I mean more castable isn't the question here
meager isle
I'm saying it's very comparable to a tapped mdfc land 1 to 1 even functionally
twilit canyon
for formats where it matters such as opp agent or aven mindcensor
hmm how describe
the basis of what im saying tho is that they cannot replace a land
meager isle
I can say these are better against non basic hate
twilit canyon
how to describe why hm
twilit canyon
yeah hm
like ok the reason this cant replace a land is consistency
if your deck cant afford to miss a land drop type of deal
they help this outcome
but ideally u wanna use em as a spell
meager isle
yea definitely, you don't want to run them if you don't plan on casting them
glad peak
I wouldn’t be opposed to a 3 of that card for 1 land trade since you’re gonna be able to draw later in the game depending on the deck and format and the land fetch is good enough
I hate that it’s a sorcery though
hard orchid
5 mana draw three is good. But it's also kinda win more? Like...you have to be in a comfortable enough position that taking a turn off to cast it is viable. Which is not trivial
glad peak
Actually a 2:1 of removing lands is probably fine since it can also get shocks and sanctuary
A bit more aggressive than the 1 cmc cantrips that cut lands for the chance of finding one with them
twilit canyon
but what spell do u cut then to make room
i also forgot about sanctuary since that cards not legal in so many formats
glad peak
Fully depends on the deck I’d say
Sadly it’s not legal in the format Id think it’d be the most interesting in (pioneer)
Since it’s more than just a tapped land, it’s more of an instant speed cantrip that always grabs an island
trail anvil
why do I still see [[misery's shadow]] in standard
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If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
: Misery's Shadow gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
In the ruins of Kroog, only anguish thrived.
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trail anvil
this card feels like the biggest fuckin bait I've ever seen
like you can grow it big vs monored but you have to pour all that fuckin mana into it and you essentially waste turns if you're not just using leftover mana to make it big
atomic harness
dimensional fissure kid 
trail anvil
the first effect just seems useless to me too unless you're expecting to see a ton of tenacious underdog/orzhov midrange
d fissure in a meta where so few cards care about gy 
atomic harness
trail anvil
also this mwm really ain't it
keeping it to one fuckin set makes everything feel terrible lmao
sleek ferry
22 turn game
sleek ferry
@twilit canyon @clever sun do either of you have a deck list for the event?
I'm assuming nazgul something probably just dominates
hidden ermine
sleek ferry
Just got heavily outresourced by the one ring
ah, is every deck in alchemy just on the one ring
fallow citrus
yeah one ring is pretty format warping
meager isle
Modern too 
fallow citrus
strangely enough time walk that draws isn't bad
dumbing the card down a lot there though
sleek ferry
eh I got to see the effect on modern
looking at results from yesterday's modern league, and i don't see the one ring on any of the undefeated decks
I do see [[call of the ring]]
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sleek ferry
and a lot of orcish bowmasters
fallow citrus
I mean
one ring is also like mega expensive on mtgo
and I imagine rental services will be out of them or be hard to get
call of the ring is cool in jund
same as bowmasters
twilit canyon
<@480437470870110209> <@970847564121395250> do either of you have a deck list fo...
spam nazgul
the one ring is just on the cusp of op
alchemy doesnt has enough answers to it outside of white and red
sleek ferry
I’m ngl, idt I like the format in alchemy if that’s what it is rn
But i only played 3 matches, so let me keep playing before I make a judgment
twilit canyon
the one ring is very played in modern and historic and legacy
alchemy is much weaker than all of em so it will have higher rep
zinc shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_et1F-_Owg
The Booster Box Game... TWO!
clever sun
Yeah Alchemy has a problem with The One Ring
sleek ferry
That’s mostly what I was referring to
Alchemy doesn’t seem equipped to handle the one ring
(Pun intended)
clever sun
Cast it into the Fire
Leyline Binding
Fragment Reality
That's it outside of counters
Misty mentioned somewhere (DMs for sure) that Ceremonious Rejection stocks have gone up
sleek ferry
[[ceremonious rejection]]
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clever sun
Sadly not Alchemy legal
sleek ferry
Eh, I’m not overly worried outside of alchemy, they got way more ways to handle it than us
Though historic will probably feel it hard also
trail anvil
I'm gonna be sad if they nerf it for alchemy and it affects hbrawl
not that the card isn't super strong in that format too
sleek ferry
idt you can nerf it without ruining the flavor of it tbh
If this was just a normal magic card, sure. But idt you can effectively nerf it without taking away the meaning of "The One Ring"
glad peak
You can make it lose life every time you tap and at each upkeep
That would keep the flavor of it (maybe enhance it) and reduce the amount of times you can safely utilize it since you’d be losing… let me do the math on it
1 card: 2 life
2 cards (3 cumulative): 7 life cumulative
3 cards (6 cumulative): 15 life cumulative
zinc shard
STONKS DAY
dense berry
alchemy has just opened the door for more irresponsible card designs tbh
sleek ferry
meager isle
Tempo deck
sleek ferry
midrange actually
meager isle
Same thing smh
twilit canyon
alchemy has just opened the door for more irresponsible card designs tbh
set was designed for modern and up. it only got added to alchemy/historic later.
sleek ferry
tbh it shouldn't have been alchemy legal from the go
they should have done what they've done in the past
twilit canyon
historic sude
sleek ferry
and release an alchemy version of the set
golden plover
They couldn't have their premier crossover set not legal on arena
Wouldn't have made them money that way
twilit canyon
also disagree just make it historic legal
sleek ferry
i'm not saying not legal in arena, historic is played more than alchemy, so that's your selling point for arena
twilit canyon
though with the knowledge we are getting 2 anthologies later this month
sleek ferry
you could have also had it brawl legal
golden plover
It was definitely a business decision decided too late to make a historic horizons version
twilit canyon
i'm not saying not legal in arena, historic is played more than alchemy, so that...
alchemy has more players than historic
alchemy is behind standard but ahead of historic which is far ahead of explorer
golden plover
It goes:
-Standard
-Alchemy
-Historic
-Explorer
-Brawl iirc
twilit canyon
no ranked ladder
golden plover
And they knew it couldn't be standard legal, so they just pushed it to the closest they could
sleek ferry
bro, komi plays brawl
golden plover
People play every format on arena
sleek ferry
and komi is a celebrity
golden plover
Brawl isn't like dead
sleek ferry
(i joke)
golden plover
It's just not super popular
twilit canyon
its just not the most played
i play 0 explorer
tbh
but i play every other format
sleek ferry
I still play explorer because gruul is decent in it
golden plover
But yeah, Arena makes too much money not to put the set in it
So it was definitely a last minute business decision
sleek ferry
anyways, yeah, alchemy is a shit show rn imo
glad peak
eh they added mh2 so i wasnt surprised they added lotr
sleek ferry
who was the guy that was complaining about modern being midrange central? because that's actually way more accurate of alchemy rn
glad peak
some of mh2 at least
meager isle
who was the guy that was complaining about modern being midrange central? becaus...
lol what
The best deck right now is combo
sleek ferry
somebody was complaining here saying that mh1 ruined modern
golden plover
I mean even ignoring the wonky digital only effects alchemy cards I'll see are shit like a 1 mana 2/2 with upside
sleek ferry
and we were just like "lol"
golden plover
And that's wild to me
glad peak
i dont mind midrange being everywhere but i still believe people dont actually like midrange and just say that after they lose to combo
meager isle
Mh ruined modern monetarily but it saved it as a format
golden plover
But that was because the powercreeo for the set was off the fucking charts
sleek ferry
I think Modern is arguably the healthiest format of any TCG rn
glad peak
tbf they centralized it because a ton of the cards they needed to make the format more interactive was shoved into 2 sets
idk if they couldve spread it out through multiple standard sets
meager isle
Bring evokementals to standard
glad peak
and then they printed the best midrange card in the third installment
sleek ferry
bring Dauthi Voidwalker to standard
meager isle
Best control card too
glad peak
best aggro card too
meager isle
Aggro plays it?
glad peak
yep, some variants of burn are on it now
meager isle
Jesus
sleek ferry
wait what card we talking about
meager isle
I feel like it’ll eat a ban if aggro is playing it too
glad peak
tbf they're also experimenting with [[parantir]]
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glad peak
the one ring is more impactful in aggro or combo than control tbh
it's 4 mana but modern is currently slow enough
glad peak
yeah but i'd rather have the ring in aggro than control since they can actually close out a game before the ring's downside is anywhere close
twilit canyon
not teferi
jace has been on his way out for ages
but hero of dominaria is still busted
especially with counterspell
glad peak
Hero of dominaria, now that a name I haven’t heard in a long time
meager isle
They don’t cut all of it
twilit canyon
and yeah aggro does decent with the ring to win b4 it matters
meager isle
But it went down to like 1 copy from 2
twilit canyon
yea with that much draw u dont need ur wincon to be that many copies
sleek ferry
can't shit like Hammer Time punish you hard for relying on the one ring though?
twilit canyon
just run 4 time raveler to have an easy time vs rhinos and living end
meager isle
If you run no removal sure but drawing three will probably get you one
twilit canyon
can't shit like Hammer Time punish you hard for relying on the one ring though?
yes kinda
subtlety and solitude do a lot of work
meager isle
I heard rhinos are starting to side Questing to kill under ring so I guess it also works against teferi lol
twilit canyon
same as counterspell at some key points
sleek ferry
speaking of hammer time though
glad peak
Titan is running questing beast instead of the random big thing flex slots because of the ring and to not be blanked on their combo turn
sleek ferry
[[forge anew]] isn't good enough right
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When Forge Anew enters the battlefield, return target Equipment card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
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glad peak
Ring Vs hammer time is a toss up
twilit canyon
especially the krasis version
glad peak
Forge Anew got tested then immediately removed lmao
meager isle
[[forge anew]] isn't good enough right
It can be but I don’t think anyone is playing it
twilit canyon
yeah forge is cheeks
sleek ferry
I figured the 3 mana was too steep of a cost tbh
meager isle
Like the only cute thing about it is letting hammer time play around chalice
glad peak
They’re already not too bad Vs chalice because of sfm
sleek ferry
there was another forge anew deck i saw in modern that was kinda meme
glad peak
And saga 
twilit canyon
on top of white being one of the artifact removal colors
forge anew is just overkill
glad peak
Forge anew was a meme deck with a bunch of living weapons and sfm iirc
twilit canyon
doesnt really save u from what u already beat before
sleek ferry
found it https://youtu.be/pPwQ6y610Ok
twilit canyon
doesnt hedge vs bad match ups
glad peak
Mtggoldfish
sleek ferry
I enjoy both mtggoldfish and cardmarket's content tbh
they're at least very real with me (unlike literally 99% of commander channels)
meager isle
BROKEN STAPLE
glad peak
I like cardmarket since they have an actual competitor giving advice and adding value to their channel, mtggoldfish sort of fell off
I feel they used to have good info but now it’s just “broken commander staple” and this -random new thing- is too good in modern”
sleek ferry
mtggoldfish actually got me on the Boros Equipment deck I'm currently playing in standard, and then I just made changes based on what I know the deck is weak to
sleek ferry
Revisited my battles deck for standard, fun times
stark skiff
Turns out my locals has started doing Magic. Commander format for now and some fellow players hopped on it. What are some good decks to aim for or to make currently? I know the basics of magic as I used to play lol
atomic harness
👁️
meager isle
The best way to get into commander is to just buy a precon
Pick whichever piques your interest
stark skiff
The best way to get into commander is to just buy a precon
Any recent recommendations?
meager isle
I want to say the lord of the rings ones but they may be overpriced atm
atomic harness
Yeah they are unfort
meager isle
Oof
atomic harness
You should look into a precon or colors that you like, playstyle that youre feeling
stark skiff
I want to say the lord of the rings ones but they may be overpriced atm
Meh I don’t mind since it’s a precon. And yeah I liked blue or black when I messed around with Magic. But I know commander decks have like 3 colors lol
meager isle
I have no idea what that is but since two people said it go blue farm
glad peak
Blue farm always
stark skiff
I have no idea what that is but since two people said it go blue farm
lmao same here but yolo blue farm it is
stark skiff
ah i thought it was some product name lmao but i see its like a whole ass deck
twilit canyon
not the weirdest magic deck name
the commander(s) are frequently [[tymna the weaver]] and [[kraum, ludevic's opus]]
twilit canyon
👩🍳
twilit canyon
yea kinda
halfling has been insane at times
but maybe i want more instant speed removal
bowmasters and shelly both do combo things with timetwister so im not keen on cutting either
twilit canyon
together we will turn this from a decent combo pile to a meance to society
ooh we gettin roped
where is young blud goin
deep fried
served with a side of coleslaw
its incredible what going from 4 to 3 and tweaking some numbers with a real sideboard does to a deck
clever sun
Too early to call it Imo because Misty is one of the most powerful players
but this deck is kinda gas
twilit canyon
updated
rigid scarab
Turns out my locals has started doing Magic. Commander format for now and some f...
The answer really is that it depends on the people playing
Yeah you can play Blue Farm but if everyone is on upgraded precons
No one will have fun
Not even the blue farm player
clever sun
Sure
But build Blue Farm
Y'all I hate Misty FR LOL
"I ran Sarulf as a one of just to test it"
and she drew it every time
rigid scarab
Its like giving a new yugioh player Danger DW to play against Blue-Eyes sds
twilit canyon
the math works in my favor bc im simply better
clever sun
Variance will kill her soon trust
twilit canyon
nuh uh
clever sun
FYM NUH UH
clever sun
LOL
clever sun
YOU LOST CONNECTION
twilit canyon
ill reconnect
twilit canyon
joewarida
that match was 100% mine to win
look at this fucking hand
i win this game
every
time
clever sun
atomic harness
fatal push orcish holy
clever sun
The all-star here is Rusko for sure
sudden lava
Turns out my locals has started doing Magic. Commander format for now and some f...
commander is a casual format so play what you think is fun. If you need help picking your commander I can help
stark skiff
The yuh huh
Yeah I wouldn’t mind some suggestions and a good sealed starter deck to start out with. Blue Farm feels like I gotta buy a bunch of singles lol
rigid scarab
There are the new LOTR preconstructed decks for Commander to help start you out
sleek ferry
the warhammer precons were good and are cheap now no?
rigid scarab
If LOTR isn't your cup of tea then March of The Machines preconstructed decks are fairly cheap
Because they're fairly shit but
sleek ferry
lusty trench
Alternatively, wait for commander masters decks to be out
stark skiff
Alternatively, wait for commander masters decks to be out
Oh when is this and what is it lol
lusty trench
The commander masters set is coming out soon which has reprints of commander staples, the decks are based around 4 themes: eldritch horrors, enchantments, planes walkers and slivers
sleek ferry
There’s no guarantee the commander masters decks will be good though
lusty trench
They're a premium product with likely higher value cards in but we don't know for sure
sleek ferry
Tbh if you want the best precon that’s play out the box ready with limited upgrades
Than the zombie one is probably your best bet
If you are considering the Lotr ones
You can watch this to see how they play https://youtu.be/l0vEisIrz6Q
sudden lava
Oh when is this and what is it lol
August 4, and I can get up the 4 themes up real quick
You got superfriends, Eldrazzi, enchantments, and slivers to pick from
stark skiff
The eldrazi have always been neat sounding to me. They any good in commander?
golden plover
Man this art style just doesn't really work?
It really comes down to whether or not the character looks cool alone
But all the regular women just look the same in it
Neheb looks good tho
meager isle
The eldrazi have always been neat sounding to me. They any good in commander?
Good enough yea but people won’t like you
zinc shard
Explorer Anthology
And Historic Anthology
Explorer Elves now has all the pieces of Pioneer Elves
twilit canyon
chord is huge for yawgmoth in historic
stark skiff
Good enough yea but people won’t like you
sounds good to me
copper pecan
twilit canyon
real
sudden lava
The eldrazi have always been neat sounding to me. They any good in commander?
they are alright
twilit canyon
lord of the rings if frodo was a tear asunder
sudden lava
not the most common tribal commander
trail anvil
Good enough yea but people won’t like you
come to think of it, what are like the least hated commanders/playstyles in edh?
if I ever do get into paper magic I don't wanna be the villain at the table lol
trail anvil
And Historic Anthology
isn't this bigger for hpauper btw
meager isle
if I ever do get into paper magic I don't wanna be the villain at the table lol
If you play 0 interaction you’re golden.
But you’ll probably never win
twilit canyon
come to think of it, what are like the least hated commanders/playstyles in edh?
stax or land destruction
lusty trench
And baral counterspell tribal
twilit canyon
oh u know what i read that as most hated
least hated?
nothing tbh
casual edh groups cannot reach a consensus on what an ethical deck is
lusty trench
Oh shit me too
Err group hug ig?
A deck with 99 forests and some old vanilla legend that's more than one colour?
copper pecan
casual edh pods hating literally everything is a big part of why i don't like edh
i'm not interested in a format where people will get mad at me for interacting with their cards
twilit canyon
We could make a list of all the things casual edh pods do hate
this list would never end
lusty trench
I legit played with a guy who gets mad when you... Stop him from winning? Like bro did you think I would let you win?
meager isle
yes
lusty trench
Man acts like he's never read the word counter in his life
sleek ferry
this list would never end
Don’t forget sol ring
Nothing is more offensive to a casual player than a t1 sol ring
copper pecan
for some reason a lot of casual players have this mentality that if they can't win 100% of the time then it's bad game dsign
sleek ferry
I’ve legitly dropped down jeweled lotus’ before that never got anywhere near a reaction as a t1 sol ring
meager isle
and then there's those players who's all "my deck isn't that good but I win most of the games because I'm just good at politics"
my friend you're pub stomping
stfu
lusty trench
I’ve legitly dropped down jeweled lotus’ before that never got anywhere near a r...
3 mana now Vs 2 mana every turn is all they see
copper pecan
sol ring i can understand being bothered by but that's the kind of thing you need to talk about before the game starts rather than after it happens
lusty trench
I mainly just dislike mana vault, crypt and jeweled because of their price tag, but that's a personal problem and I don't bring that hate to the table
(can't proxy at my lgs)
meager isle
wotc refusing to make them affordable also ticks me off
golden plover
come to think of it, what are like the least hated commanders/playstyles in edh?
Literally nothing
If it wins a game, casuals complain
golden plover
Don’t forget sol ring
Tbf sol ring should have been banned at the start of edh
But I get they wanted it to be the only format you can play the card in
It's just such a massive tempo swing
lusty trench
It's why I like collector ouphie
zinc shard
copper pecan
Twitter
my pitch: clash and whoever wins the clash goes first
still sufficiently random but not entirely random and incentivizes running high cost cards more often
sleek ferry
Tbf sol ring should have been banned at the start of edh
Play to win made the best point in regards to this; Casual pods, do better in policing your play groups if you don't want sol ring to be played, the card is perfectly fine in cedh.
clever sun
https://twitter.com/gavinverhey/status/1677393263349604355?s=46
They should do it the good ole fashioned way
Trial by combat
dense berry
the commander banlist should realistically have like 6 cards on it
ante cards
dexterity cards
invoke prejudice and other culturally offensive cards
silver bordered cards
golden plover
Honestly, I want [[Braids, Cabal Minion]] back
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golden plover
Surte there's the magical christmas land where you play her t1 and she locks the opponents out of the game
But there's also thoracle combo
dense berry
i think the only power level ban should be lutri
golden plover
Leovold and Flash too tbh
And honestly, the golos ban is totally fine
Not from a power level reason, but from a "wow he outclasses so many commanders and is boring as hell" reason
Oh I forgot about [[Hullbreacher]]
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Flash
If an opponent would draw a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, instead you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
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golden plover
What a fucking ridiculous card
Hullbreacher should have said "instead they create a Treasure Token"
dense berry
they dont ban for power level but they ban for power level
golden plover
Tolarian Academy, the Moxen, Fastbound, and Rofelos probably should stay banned too
golden plover
Golos was banned because of his versatility
He was one of the most played commanders because he just did any theme better than the dedicated theme
And he's a boring 5c value engine
So that just sucks
dense berry
the problem i have with the banlist is they say edh is where you can play the entire card pool and every style of play is welcome
golden plover
Yeah but you can't have every card legal without it causing issues
I mean hell, there's bans in legacy and restrictions in vintage
dense berry
they also have rule 0
which they misuse entirely
cards that are unfun to play against can just as easily be legal in the format and then house ruled out
golden plover
Rule 0 should honestly be the other way around
It's way easier to go "hey can I play this deck with a banned card in it" than "hey can we all ban sol ring"
dense berry
rule 0 cannot be used in sanctioned play
golden plover
For sure
But rule 0 basically doesn't matter for commander as is
Having to find a new shop/group rn, rule 0 discussions are useless
Everyone goes "Oh my deck is like okay power level and I do/don't care about proxies"
And then you do something that wins you the game and they get annoyed
Rule 0 doesn't do anything unless you literally show them the entire decklist
dense berry
casual edh gets toxic really quickly
dense berry
i remember one time
i played a pod with my deck, combo off opponent gets salty
i ask to borrow a deck
he lends me wall tribal
he gets salty when i win with it
golden plover
Yesterday, I played with a pod I hadn't played with. The commanders were as follows:
-4c Omnath
-Edgar Markov
-Evelyn, the Covetous
So I bring Elsha because that reads to me as high power level commanders
Edgar and 4c omnath guy threw a fit when I top comboed despite no interaction for the 3 turns it took me to set it up
Evelyn guy made me play out the combo to show the other guys they were dead (infinite storm count grapeshot/brain freeze)
And even then, 4c omnath goes "God I hate combo decks"
Like bro, my combo takes 3 turns to set up. You had plenty of time to stop me with any form of removal
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Evelyn player did actually use Olivia Markov to steal Elsha for a turn, made me waste a Blink of An Eye to get her back
sudden lava
I read Elsha as Alesha, there names are so close
twilit canyon
or cedh
golden plover
Evelyn player was by far the only person at the table who was competent at all
twilit canyon
evelyn should also be a combo deck in most cases no?
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But the other two just got so pissy that I had a win
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evelyn should also be a combo deck in most cases no?
It is, yeah
twilit canyon
she is the newest grixis mean-girl club member
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I had my combo before he did
twilit canyon
worldgorger?
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But he was also intentionally durdling and [[Spark Double]] copying Evelyn to steal parts of the other decks for the funny (and to try and hit my combo pieces)
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I'll probably play with that dude again. He laughed really hard when Evelyn hit my [[Nexus of Fate]]
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dense berry
i need to nerf my casual deck tbh
golden plover
worldgorger?
I'd assume so
I was gonna bring Roghark/Yoshimaru to the next game but 4c Omnath guy threw a fit because he wanted to play Syr Gwen and live more than 2 turns
Honestly part of me wants to build a group hug no wincon deck for the two kings and just play that when people complain
dense berry
i also wanna build a hug deck
i will lose my last remaining drop of hope for casual when somebody complains about it
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Literally sit there and just let everyone draw 20 cards every turn
dense berry
which is absolutely gonna happen
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"I was gonna win but your stupid deck let him draw the card he needed to beat me"
dense berry
"you ruined the game by giving that player who won a bunch of stuff"
twilit canyon
But he was also intentionally durdling and [[Spark Double]] copying Evelyn to st...
spark double?
glad peak
Stax is group hug because it indirectly lets everyone draw more cards
twilit canyon
oh that evelyn list is 100% not tuned
golden plover
spark double?
I'm like 99% sure he runs it as a filler card
None of the lists were tuned
But he was the only person at the table playing removal
dense berry
ive taken to just building extraordinarily weak decks
golden plover
But spark double is a moderately funny interaction, and my tivit list I'm building is guilty of playing voting cards for the sake of moderately funny interactions so I vibe with it
Elsha is fully optimized, Ghen is fully optimized, Dog/Bold is fully optimized
dense berry
most casuals just want to win for free anyway
golden plover
Running less than optimial shit elsewhere is fine
What's really funny is casuals HATE dog/bold too
Like dude, it literally wins via attacking with a big vanilla
golden plover
Cedh tables love seeing dog/bold btw
People like seeing actual combat matters decks and are surprised how many counter spells you get in boros
And it's always fun to [[Angel's Grace]] the thoracle
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Oh yeah 100%
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Actually now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure 4c Omnath guy was the same guy who complained about proxies and dropped an actual gaea's cradle on me last time I went to that shop
dense berry
casual is the most toxic shit pit you can get dunked into
clever sun
Yup
golden plover
So I think 4c Omnath dude just has issues with anything that isn't his exact deck
clever sun
I found a way to get uninvited to casual groups btw
golden plover
I mean, I just bring out stax
clever sun
Play brutal Control decks with mass everything destruction
dense berry
as i said i made somebody salty with their own deck before
golden plover
The collective groans when you start doing stax stuff usually gets you uninvited
clever sun
aka [[Keranos, God of Storms]]
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And like for context, my stax deck is [[Ghen]]
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clever sun
No no
golden plover
He's not a very common stax commander
clever sun
You need them to never want to play EDH again
Keranos is hitting the table
[[Obliterate]] will be placed on the stack
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dense berry
ive actually made somebody quit edh before
multiple people actually
one was in a cedh tournament
guy sits down round 1 with foiled out azami deck
i win the pod
round 2 we're in the same pod again
clever sun
Azami in this day and age? At an event?
golden plover
I think it's so funny that 2/3 cedh decks are not very common cedh commanders so people really enjoy playing with them there, and then casual decks hate Ghen and fucking [[Yoshimaru]]
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dense berry
this was over a decade ago
golden plover
This card literally doesn't do anything
clever sun
Okay even a decade ago Azami is was so mid
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The funniest interaction I had was a guy who got mad at me for playing both my commanders t1 with yoshimaru, made us all shuffle up to play again since "he had such a clear lead", and then I did it again
Surprise, as long as I keep a land with a single white source in it I can play them t1 every time
dense berry
ironically another azami player killed me in a later round
clever sun
Commander 2013 we had Jeleva
My favorite casual EDH tale is keeping a table trapped
Got invited to a casual pod
I said "nah no thanks not into casual EDH much."
They insisted because they wanted the fourth
I said fine
but no conceding or I leave
You know how salty an entire table gets when I use Deadeye Navigator with Nicol Bolas the Ravager to keep them hellbent as I pick off their lands one by one?
dense berry
they could have just all conceded at once
clever sun
One of the members finally got tired of the loop and let the table go by having me leave
clever sun
they could have just all conceded at once
That was the funny part. They wanted to keep playing. I trapped them in the game.
Because "well you won't set that up next time"
"We'll draw removal soon"
I gave them a chance with Timetwister
dense berry
that actually reminds me of my favorite casual pod possibly ever
clever sun
Granted I had Narset in play so they drew nothing
But they got about 20 cards in to their second deck before one of them cried uncle
golden plover
Oh yeah, 4c omnath guy complained about a timetwister without narset out last night too
Like bro, I literally just gave you 7 new cards to interact with me with
Your fault for being tapped out and not running any artifact removal
dense berry
i was at a whataburger or some shit at 3 am and i see people playing edh and they have a fucking emrakul out so im like yo can i play and can i use braids
and theyre like absolutely
i get braids out turn 2
rigid scarab
Honestly surprised we dont have very many commander masters spoilers yet
dense berry
game goes for a long time eventually i manage to find a finisher
they look at me and say
that's the most weve ever had our shit stomped good fucking game
hand shakes all around
i saw them months later at the lgs and they were like "oh shit its braids!"
rigid scarab
I want that to happen to me
Just at some random place and see people participating in the same hobby as me
And we immediately start playing
Like a pokemon battle
clever sun
One of my favorite EDH games was with Keranos
It was a cEDH pod
Everyone signed up for it
I manage to resolve Obliterate real early with rituals
Setting everyone (but me) back a while
Now here's where it gets funny
No one sees a land the rest of the game
We keep playing spells of course this is cEDH
But no land is played the entire rest of the game
I eventually lost to Najeela beats as the Najeela player managed to land her through my Force of Will through their own Force of Will
But it was such a fascinating game and one of my favorites
twilit canyon
ive had great cedh games too ofc
one of my faves was cazur ukkima beats
won that one vs a half staxy/midrange pod
1st player was on tymna sakashima bears, 2nd person was on gaaiv stax, 3rd was on 5c sisay stax
rigid scarab
I've yet to have a cedh game where I've went 'wow that was awesome'
twilit canyon
lots of things happen in this slow grindy game as ppl fight for board control and accrue card advantage
but
sisay player reveals his tech
[[ashiok, dream render]]
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twilit canyon
-1s
exiles my food chain, thoracle, hermit druid among my top 4
next turn -4s on gaaiv
exiles nexus of fate, azor, venser, and powers
-4s on sakatymna
-1
ur not gonna believe it
but he exiles citadel, thoracle, and mnemonic among other
so now just sisay has wincons
now this would be fine
if it wasnt for the fact that both myself and sakatymna run praetors grasp
i was first to cast it
i steal lab man from sisay
sakatymna was next
he steals najeela
theres just one wincon left and its breach
or there would be
if gaaiv didnt resolve rest in peace
the rest of the game became an even bigger shitshow
of actually playing fair and honest creature magic
the game got really spicy when sisay player resolved umezawa's jitte
we had to play some insane games to dodge
eventually, sisay player dies to misthollow griffin and aven mindcensor beats
i tried to go for lab man but gaaiv player stopped the resolution of labman (i was patient and resolved it before trying to play consultation)
so the board got real awkward from there as gaaiv put up a ton of walkers
we stopped master of time but hero of dominaria was threatening to ult
ukkima had to tickle teferi until it was dead while sakatymna player scarily climbed up to relevant life
glad peak
My favorite memory is when I used to be active and dominant in modern in multiple shops that whenever I went to sign up or go to a random or new shop people already heard about me
twilit canyon
fortunately for me
no one remembered ukkima's text
and gaaiv player, in an effort to save teferi, committed a lethal mistake
he cyc rifted for 2 mana target ukkima
ukkima had amassed a few counters thanks to cazur
4 counters to be precise
gaaiv player was at a very convenient 5 life
from there, it was just sakatymna player and i
and maneuvering my cfes to block/attack and ukkima and cazur protected, i eventually managed to chain of vapor my own 12/12 ukkima for lethal
i was at 2 life there too
that game took around
24 turns?
easily 24
dense berry
My favorite memory is when I used to be active and dominant in modern in multipl...
this actually happened to me at the last cedh tournament i went to
i asked a lady where the sign up sheet was and for a brief second a look of genuine fear was on her face
apparently she plays regularly with some old friends of mine from back when i had cultivated the comp scene around this area
we then got paired in round one which was funny
i countered her intuition and then casted my own for the win
rich bronze
the game got really spicy when sisay player resolved umezawa's jitte
#justcedhthings
meager isle
Chaos emperor dragon
golden plover
So there's listings for the new UB stuff, no info yet other than product type
Assassin's Creed is a draftable set for some reason
Final Fantasy is not
meager isle
what
that
what?
Assassin's creed isn't exactly rife with characters if you exclude the historical people
lusty trench
Final Fantasy is not
I completely forgot this was a thing that was happening
meager isle
December 31st 2024
lusty trench
I'm gonna be honest here, with every other universes beyond we've had, I could at least somewhat see it
meager isle
I'm assuming that's a placeholder date
lusty trench
But assassin's creed
meager isle
I'm gonna be honest here, with every other universes beyond we've had, I could a...
I don't what's in assassincs creed that fills up a set
Final fantasy has hundreds of characters
but ass creed?
golden plover
Doesn't make sense to me, considering AC doesn't feel like it has enough shit for a full set
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Also, I hate cards with real world actors on them (the DND movie cards) and this is gonna have actors AND locations
lusty trench
Like who's screaming over being able to play ezio in mtg
golden plover
Not sure, but even some of the models used in the games are based on real actors
lusty trench
I'm more forgiving of the secret lair ones since those are literally just get it if you want
But a whole booster box has implications for lgs'
golden plover
It depends on which games they pull from and stuff. But it's gonna feel super jarring to hear "I tap Italy to play Leonardo Da Vinci"
twilit canyon
final fantasy also listed as draft boosters
twilit canyon
meager isle
It depends on which games they pull from and stuff. But it's gonna feel super ja...
yea I'm curious on if they're going to put in real life people
hidden ermine
Wait theyre doing UB FF?
lusty trench
I also don't really get why Dr who is getting one but at least I can see that more since there's a lot more substance there
meager isle
Like if it's all the gods and assassin creed characters sure but I can't imagine that filling up a set
hidden ermine
... god I hope theyre giving us an Ardyn card
golden plover
But honestly, FF being the draftable one would fit way more
meager isle
Yea
hidden ermine
Also Dr. Who is getting a set too, not just commander decks?
meager isle
just collector booster and commander set
twilit canyon
i somehow doubt any of these will make it as full sets. maybe this is a hint to a full ub draft experience
meager isle
so it's sort of like warhammer except instead of collecter commander set it's collector booster
golden plover
They've already confirmed both are happening
twilit canyon
as sets
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They just didn't confirm the form of what's in either
twilit canyon
then its still likely they dont release as a set
yeah
idr hearing anything about ff or ac
meager isle
oh those yea no news
lusty trench
I just don't think assassin's creed and doctor who (if it does have boxes) can support full sets
Like the overlap is there
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twilit canyon
i can see it being they release a whole ub set as a last chance type reprint
lusty trench
But it's a niche at best overlap
meager isle
I'm guessing the dr who collector boosters are just alternate versions of cards in the dr who commander sets
golden plover
They were confirmed a while back
But no info on if they're just commander decks or not
twilit canyon
final fantasy works since most final fantasy settings to my knowledge wont look out of place in any magic universe
ac is the one that might be trippy
hidden ermine
final fantasy works since most final fantasy settings to my knowledge wont look ...
Well
lusty trench
Yeah final fantasy is gonna be baller
twilit canyon
but thatd just be magic going back to its roots lol
golden plover
Yeah final fantasy has some stuff that stands out, especially the sci-fi games
hidden ermine
But XIII and XV for example are quite modern
golden plover
But most of final fantasy is well, fantasy, and it fits
lusty trench
Up to IX that would be true
We both know that it's gonna be mainly ff7
hidden ermine
XV straight up features a mercedes basically
lusty trench
Let's be real
golden plover
It really depends on what they pull from considering XV is about driving around America in a car
hidden ermine
Eh, funny enough Im not sure about that
twilit canyon
a mercedes would be outdated for kamigawa now
hidden ermine
Im thinking itll be a lot of 1
Given that thats the most DnD of the final fantasies
golden plover
I can't see assassin's Creed fitting at all
twilit canyon
i think they touch upon ff7
golden plover
I know that assassin's Creed has supernatural elements
meager isle
XV straight up features a mercedes basically
capenna has xander driving whatever that is
golden plover
But it really doesn't fit
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Assassin's Creed is SUPER real-world focused, despite being sci-fi and fantasy
meager isle
I know that assassin's Creed has supernatural elements
the super naturla elements fits well imo. gods and magical artifacts
the assassins?
I guess?
golden plover
Every game uses real people and the settings are "Italy" and "Boston"
twilit canyon
yea assassins creed sounds like it will have the most awkward time trying to be a set
lusty trench
Im thinking itll be a lot of 1
Mfs being asked to name a ff1 character that isn't garland, Gilgamesh or warrior of light
twilit canyon
just like kamigawa
hidden ermine
Kamigawa is the only one this wouldnt look totally out of place
hidden ermine
Mfs being asked to name a ff1 character that isn't garland, Gilgamesh or warrior...
Gilgamesh is not in FF1
Also Lich
twilit canyon
tbh urza also builds mechs this advanced
hidden ermine
Again FF1 is very DnD, they literally have DnD enemies in it
twilit canyon
and alara too
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Cards like "George Washington" and "Leonardo Da Vinci" are gonna be really stupid tbh
hidden ermine
I dont count that
lusty trench
twilit canyon
Cards like "George Washington" and "Leonardo Da Vinci" are gonna be really stupi...
we are back to quoting from historical sources in magic again
hidden ermine
But yeah FF set sounds interesting
twilit canyon
finally the boomers have won
hidden ermine
I hope they get the FF artist for it
twilit canyon
ac sounds like a struggle to make work
golden plover
AC legit feels like the tone doesn't work at all
hidden ermine
First set to sell a billion boosters
twilit canyon
tone can work especially with how magic settings exist nowdays
lusty trench
So long as they let me get my boy I'm golden
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Like I know Portal and Arabian Nights happened, but those were considered mistakes in that element
twilit canyon
ixalan, capenna, kamigawa mostly
ravnica too
capenna, kamigawa, ravnica have focus on urban setting
golden plover
Any time they reference Arabian Nights, it's rectonned into being a regular plane now and they're slowly changing the names when they can for the cards
hidden ermine
... wait I just realised
lusty trench
How long till we get the mandatory p5 crossover
hidden ermine
They confirmed no UB planeswalkers right?
golden plover
I mean there's a big difference between urban setting and literally Boston
twilit canyon
kinda
lusty trench
They confirmed no UB planeswalkers right?
Yeah
golden plover
How long till we get the mandatory p5 crossover
But see, that'll kill the game
lusty trench
~~But see, that'll kill the game~~
Bro we are getting an ass creed box
twilit canyon
this doesnt mean they will make a boston or italy land
lusty trench
Box will be the first to sell -1 packs
hidden ermine
Actually a boston land would be hilarious
twilit canyon
it would be
golden plover
Bro we are getting an ass creed box
Oh the game tone is def dead considering that shit yeah, but P5 crossovers are the touch of death
hidden ermine
New York land that gives your creatures trample 
lusty trench
New York land that gives your creatures trample <:hallothink:355502036563001344>
Bro we already have the new York land
hidden ermine
We do?
lusty trench
Isn't this mechanically what you wanted?
clever sun
golden plover
But yeah, no matter the form for AC, it's gonna be tonally wack
clever sun
Misty fuck you
golden plover
There's too many real people in the games as main characters
hidden ermine
Isn't this mechanically what you wanted?
Lmao yeah that works
golden plover
Usually at least one per assassin as their sidekick
lusty trench
Mfs when I pull out this (it... Idk fuckin draws cards and makes my life total unable to change)
golden plover
Cards of Washington, Da Vinci, and Tesla are guaranteed
clever sun
Wait are you not just getting trolled is this gonna be a full set
What if it's just a commander deck(s) or cards appearing in a collectors booster
golden plover
Even if it's just commander boosters we still get the three
There's way too many real people that are important to AC games
And the odds they don't pick the literal three most popular assassins for them is basically nonexistent
meager isle
this doesnt mean they will make a boston or italy land
those real world basic lands look suuuper nice though
they're just too pricey for me
clever sun
Look if this is real now I just want a Fate crossover
clever sun
That's Artoria Pendragon to you SIR
golden plover
Oh no I didn't even consider all the fate altars
meager isle
my apologies my liege
golden plover
But yeah, it's gotta be Ezio, Altair, Connor, and ???
clever sun
golden plover
That game bombed
meager isle
the last three assassins creed also has mythological creatures as boss fights so those would fit magic too at least
odyssey and origins had legit egyptian and greek gods
so ie amonkhet and theros
golden plover
It's definitely the most fitting but I figure they'll just do the 3 most obvious games and maybe a templar deck?
meager isle
that's true
clever sun
What if it's a non-canon set where an Assassin is sent to these magic worlds by accident
golden plover
The odds we get a George Washington card aren't 100% but they're like 75%
I'd say there's 0 chance we don't get Da Vinci
clever sun
Da Vinci or Washington?
golden plover
It's like outwardly stated
clever sun
They should do Fate Da Vinci so that phobes get mad since Fate Da Vinci is trans coded as fuck
golden plover
Oh god they could do the templar deck as whatever their name is from Odyssey
meager isle
cult of cosmos
golden plover
That gives them 4 assassins and technically a templar
Nah the cult are actually the proto-assassins
meager isle
The name makes me laugh because it reminds me of fairyl odd parents cosmos lol
golden plover
The boring player character founds the templars
meager isle
I honestly don't remember much lol
just that she passed the stick to modern day chick
I'm glad she's out of the story now
hidden ermine
How exactly is fate da vinci "trans coded"?
golden plover
Origins comes later and founds the assassins
Odyssey comes earlier and she founds the templars
meager isle
How exactly is fate da vinci "trans coded"?
she turned herself to monalisa because she thought it was the ideal human iirc
golden plover
It's dumb as hell
golden plover
That's what they want you to think
Then you kill them and it's "oh actually you're the templars"
meager isle
I picked the kiss the cosmos leader option
golden plover
Oh so add Socrates to the "real people that have cards" list
We'll probably also get the pope, Karl Marx, and Blackbeard
clever sun
How exactly is fate da vinci "trans coded"?
Yep Fate's Da Vinci is normally male but when summoned as a heroic spirit, appears in the form of the Mona Lisa entirely because "it is the ideal human form"
golden plover
Wtf would Marx do
Marx is your weird sidekick guy in Syndicate
golden plover
Honestly? I have no clue how you'd make him work here
meager isle
my communist friend is mad marx in game isn't an accurate portrayal of him lmao
clever sun
Introduce a new age of Magic players to Communism
golden plover
He hasn't written the communist manifesto at the time
Your character helps him come up with communism, it's stupid as hell
So I have no clue how they'd make him work outside of "everyone makes treasure tokens"
meager isle
my friend was all, in game marx doesn't want to kill people, while his manifesto says it "needs to be painted by blood"
golden plover
It's accurate enough if you consider it's also before Marx wrote the manifesto
golden plover
But it's also a world where there's magic space rocks and evil aliens
Assassin's Creed is a bad franchise
meager isle
Assassin's Creed is a bad franchise
I'm hopeful for the next one 
golden plover
Yeah it's one of the few elements of the games that would tbh
golden plover
I'm hopeful for the next one <:copium:901139245056528444>
That's what people have been saying since 3
"Oh the next one will actually be good guys"
meager isle
at this point I just play it cause I'm too invested in the series
golden plover
I know black flag was actually good, but the batting average is like 2 good games per every 7 bad games
atomic harness
Yep Fate's Da Vinci is normally male but when summoned as a heroic spirit, appea...
meager isle
I know black flag was actually good, but the batting average is like 2 good game...
let's be real assassins creed black flag wasn't good but pirate simulator black flag was
golden plover
That's true. Honestly, I don't even think 2 was that good?
It was fine, but it wasn't as great as people thought
meager isle
it was fine imo it's just the best one so people looks back on it fondly
golden plover
Yeah it's the best one but compared to other games, it's okay
Reminder it came out a year before uncharted 3
meager isle
I never had a playstation so I never got to enjoy it
golden plover
So yeah, Assassin's Creed has always been a mid franchise
And it's super weird they're one that's getting magic cards, considering the tone
sudden lava
we are getting so close to precon reveals 
meager isle
The first one just a lasting impact because it was so unique
like parkouring around ancient cities is just really cool
golden plover
Yeah 1 was really unique for the time
And now they're just action rps set in random historical time periods
golden plover
10 is pretty average yeah
UB got a lot more
And the great $20 ones from Kaldheim only got 5
meager isle
ah I guess I just got used to ub
golden plover
UB got like 20 and everything else was reskinned to fit the settings
sudden lava
the 4 themes as a reminder will be
Zombie Enchantments
Sliver
Eldrazi
Super friends
golden plover
Oh god, we're gonna get at least 100 weird AC arts for cards lmao
sudden lava
golden plover
Get ready for a faithless looting that's that one girl from Odyssey on her cell phone
meager isle
Get ready for a faithless looting that's that one girl from Odyssey on her cell ...
faithless looting being the viking assassin saccing the monestary would be cool though lol
hopefully wotc is reasonable
sudden lava
I wonder what other WUBRG sliver wotc has cooking
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golden plover
faithless looting being the viking assassin saccing the monestary would be cool ...
That'd be cool, but I really don't see any cards from Ragnarok happening
Only because it's too new and sold like shit
golden plover
I bet odyssey is the newest we'll see
And odyssey also sucked and sold like shit
So probably only a couple cards there
Maybe Kassandra, Socrates, the Oracle, and like a single card for her brother/the cult
glad peak
I just wish it’s a good draft experience, lotr draft proved to be lackluster after the novelty wore off
atomic harness
True kid