Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

"just a wee bit of genocide"

[golden plover]

Also up until return to return to Zendikar, we didn't know this was possible.

[copper pecan]

what sorin did was nowhere near as bad as that

[twilit canyon]

yea we did

the eldrazi landed on zendikar already

[golden plover]

All the cards in that block made it clear Zendikar was SUPER fucked

[atomic harness]

Sorin is a saint in comparison

[twilit canyon]

the plane recovered completely

and we knew from nahiri that the plane was fine

[golden plover]

That's only a recent development

[twilit canyon]

when the eldrazi were first brought to zendikar

[golden plover]

The flavor text and story from the time outright say 1/3rd of Zendikar is GONE

[twilit canyon]

yea and it completely recovered

we knew it did back in og zendikar

we saw that the chains on the eldrazi loosened and that caused trouble too of course

but we also saw it recover yet again in time for bfz

by that point, zendikar had the hedrons and the eye of ugin to watch over and defend it

innistrad didnt

[golden plover]

Everything from the set outright says Bala Ged is completely gone

[twilit canyon]

[[bala ged recovery]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/pctb/24/bala-ged-recovery-bala-ged-sanctuary

Bala Ged Recovery <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
"Always have a backup plan." —Doral, Bala Ged guide

Bala Ged Sanctuary
Land
Bala Ged Sanctuary enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
"I know it's around here somewhere." —Doral, Bala Ged guide

[golden plover]

The implication at the time is that Zendikar wouldn't recover

But that's the modern retcon

[twilit canyon]

there was nothing that implied bala ged would be gone for good

[golden plover]

Literally the flavor text of the card I just posted

[twilit canyon]

the roil in zendikar recovered the destruction

it just says it was reduced to dust

in a plane where there are no consistent rivers or jungles bc of the roil

that had already taken an eldrazi invasion in the past and recovered from it

[golden plover]

That wasn't as big as BFZ tho

And it was also thousands of years in the past

[twilit canyon]

it was bigger arguably

since ugin sorin and nahiri hadnt built up the natural defenses just yet

[golden plover]

Yeah but it also took thousands of years for Zendikar to heal that time

The writers for Zendikar Rising randomly decided it got better in a few years this time

[atomic harness]

can we go back to talking how awful nahiri is

[twilit canyon]

thats not true that it took thousands of years to heal

the roil rose up as a result of the eldrazi

the roil itself was a purifying force to the eldrazi

[golden plover]

The time frame between the first invasion and BFZ was thousands of years

[twilit canyon]

able to recover it

yea bc we had to have context as to why ugin's seal was weakened

on top of bolas meddling

[golden plover]

Unrelated but BFZ has the best flavor text in the game

[[Reckless Cohort]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/152/reckless-cohort

Reckless Cohort <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Warrior Ally
Reckless Cohort attacks each combat if able unless you control another Ally.
"You have a family. Mine died at Sea Gate. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine."
2/2

[golden plover]

[[Wandering Ones]] is up there too. But Cohort is better

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/chk/100/wandering-ones

Wandering Ones <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
"I saw them once, when I was a child. They led me to my parents' arms when I was lost. Why have they abandoned me now? Why won't they take me home again?" —Unnamed beggar
1/1

[twilit canyon]

reading up on the history

it was also a case of nahiri being a total child in response to sorin telling her to go pester ugin for help with a minor issue she could have resolved or prevented by not going into a thousand year slumber

[copper pecan]

personally my favorite flavor text is [[nemesis of reason]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/850/nemesis-of-reason

Nemesis of Reason <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Leviathan Horror
Whenever Nemesis of Reason attacks, defending player mills ten cards.
Words describing it fail. Pages relating it shrivel. Tales recounting it end.
3/7

[copper pecan]

you could tell me this is a yugioh summon chant and i'd believe you

[golden plover]

That one is pretty good, but I feel like Cohorts tells the best story

[twilit canyon]

the effect and card are so underwhelming tho lmao

[golden plover]

Even his mechanics are so fitting for the story

He attacks every turn without allies because he's got nothing left to live for

[atomic harness]

I'm a big fan of "the Myr are like the x or y" SoM did

[golden plover]

I think my least favorite flavor text is probably [[Experimental Frenzy]] actually

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https://scryfall.com/card/grn/99/experimental-frenzy

Experimental Frenzy <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library.
You can't play lands or cast spells from your hand.
: Destroy Experimental Frenzy.
Turns out coffee is the weird aunt of invention.

[trail anvil]

can you call specific sets with this bot

[atomic harness]

we can try

[golden plover]

Yeah, just "Name|SET"

So like [[Abrade|VOW]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/139/abrade

Abrade <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose one —
• Abrade deals 3 damage to target creature.
• Destroy target artifact.
The Falkenrath progenitor was a vicious falconer, and the line is quick to remind others of its heritage.

[trail anvil]

[[negate|rix]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/rix/44/negate

Negate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell.
"As one, nature lifts its voice to tell you this: 'No.'"

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, that one sucks too

[trail anvil]

I love this one

[golden plover]

I don't really like "punny" flavor text on cards

[trail anvil]

it's so blue

[twilit canyon]

it is blue as hell yea

i like it

[golden plover]

I do like that one more than [[Negate|MOM]] at least

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/68/negate

Negate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell.
Teferi gave them time. Karn gave them a chance. But it was Melira who paid the ultimate price to free Ajani from Phyrexia's grasp.

[twilit canyon]

[[spell pierce||rix]]

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No card found named “spell pierce” in Rivals of Ixalan

[golden plover]

This is the least fitting negate??? Like this feels so random

[twilit canyon]

[[spell pierce|ixl]]

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No card found named “spell pierce” in “ixl”

[twilit canyon]

what was ixalans base code

[atomic harness]

ixn right

[twilit canyon]

[[spell pierce|ixn]]

[lost widget]

No card found named “spell pierce” in “ixn”

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

[[spell pierce|ixa]]

[lost widget]

No card found named “spell pierce” in “ixa”

[golden plover]

The classic bad flavor text is [[Dramatic Reversal]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal

Dramatic Reversal <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Untap all nonland permanents you control.
"Nobody asked you to butt in, Jace. But thanks." —Chandra Nalaar

[golden plover]

I think everyone hates that text

[clever sun]

[[Spell Piece|XLN]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/81/spell-pierce

Spell Pierce <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays .
"A fool's fire is quickly quenched." —Shaper Kumena

[twilit canyon]

o

[atomic harness]

Xln

[twilit canyon]

xln

[golden plover]

Tbh I think the art is also fucking hideous on dramatic reversal

[atomic harness]

Chandra

[copper pecan]

why is chandra a tsundere now

[golden plover]

Wish it'd get a reprint with new art and text

[trail anvil]

it's cheesy for sure

[[whirlwind denial]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/thb/81/whirlwind-denial

Whirlwind Denial <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
For each spell and ability your opponents control, counter it unless its controller pays .
"No, no, and ... no."

[atomic harness]

always was kid

Ohh I really like this one

[[mental misstep]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nph/38/mental-misstep

Mental Misstep <:manaup:292901508780130305>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Counter target spell with mana value 1.
"Your first mistake was thinking I would let you live long enough to make a second." —Sarnvax, Gitaxian sective

[trail anvil]

that's a fantastic one ye

[golden plover]

What's going on with everyone's faces?

Like why does Ajani look like that

[twilit canyon]

confuson

[trail anvil]

he's threatening their enemy ig

[twilit canyon]

ajani when drawn by non-furry artists always looks odd

[golden plover]

Yeah they gotta let the furries draw Ajani

[atomic harness]

Ajani is trying his best

[golden plover]

But what the fuck is going on with Gideon

[trail anvil]

draw him hot instead of creepy

[golden plover]

Like he's just a guy

[atomic harness]

Dont look at into the fire

[golden plover]

There's no reason he should look so weird

[copper pecan]

god that reminds me of how gideon looked in the manga adaptation of the novel he appeared in before he had a card

where they had him just look like a regular dude wearing a t shirt

[clever sun]

Oh god that art

[copper pecan]

no muscles or anything

[clever sun]

He was just a dude

You know

[golden plover]

Ajani was super off model in Kaladesh lmao

[clever sun]

He was

[golden plover]

Like what's going on here

[copper pecan]

gideon is the guy next to chandra here

[golden plover]

At least they have him like a "Greek" design?

But yeah, that's bad

[copper pecan]

literally just wearing a tshirt and jeans

[atomic harness]

mood

[trail anvil]

I just feel like a lot of mtg artists draw planeswalkers way different

or any recurring character

[golden plover]

Chandra and Jace are honestly the only walkers that get pretty consistent art, but ids especially bad for non-human walkers

[atomic harness]

what about nissa

[golden plover]

Nissa has been really off model here and there

Daretti looks WILDY different in both of his cards

Actually, Marchesa has that issue too

[clever sun]

[[Invasion of Fiora]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/114/invasion-of-fiora-marchesa-resolute-monarch

Invasion of Fiora <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Fiora enters the battlefield, choose one or both —
• Destroy all legendary creatures.
• Destroy all nonlegendary creatures.
Defense: 4

Marchesa, Resolute Monarch
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Menace, deathtouch
Whenever Marchesa, Resolute Monarch attacks, remove all counters from up to one target permanent.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you haven't been dealt combat damage since your last turn, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
3/6

[atomic harness]

Marchesa

[clever sun]

She looks amazing here

[golden plover]

I love Marchesa, but that's an entirely different woman each time

[clever sun]

But it is a different lady

[golden plover]

Yeah, that's a real good design

But we also have this

And this

None of these are the same woman

It's the Fiora curse

If you're a Fiora character, you're bound to look wildly different in all your arts

Kaya managed to mostly avoid it

But there's some times where she's off model too

Oh tibalt was really bad about it too

[atomic harness]

Tibalt

[golden plover]

What the fuck was going on here

[atomic harness]

I think the regular art for that looks nice

[golden plover]

I like the regular and showcase

But the full art is super off model

[dense berry]

oh yeah sorry this is the biggest flavor fail maybe ever

[atomic harness]

Good ole tibalt

[golden plover]

His Alchemy card art is also super off model, but tbf most alchemy art is probably slush art so it makes sense

Like what's going on with his hair here?

[atomic harness]

[golden plover]

Why does he have an undercut?

[dense berry]

cant believe wotc and the avengers beat phyrexia with a negate

negating a creature card that already resolved months ago

[golden plover]

It's honestly a good thing tibalt is dead because no artist knows what the fuck he looks like

[dense berry]

[atomic harness]

Tamiyo

at least her memory thing is alive

and went back to her husband and son

[golden plover]

Tamiyo is at least mostly on model

[dense berry]

well actually i guess hes a walker who can be negated but still he was on the battle field for a while, even the most experienced judge is gonna have a hard time rewinding that game state

[golden plover]

I honestly can't think of any wildly different looking Tamiyo arts

[atomic harness]

Tamiyo always looks nice

[golden plover]

She's like a little shorter in WAR than her other arts

[clever sun]

Teferi is consistent too

[golden plover]

But honestly, her WAR art is the best one?

[clever sun]

For the most part

[atomic harness]

Teferi also always looks nice

[golden plover]

Yeah, Teferi is pretty good about always looking like Teferi

There's exceptions, but he mostly looks the same

[atomic harness]

What about sorin caster

[golden plover]

Sorin is hit or miss about looking like Sorin imo

[atomic harness]

Hm

[clever sun]

Sorin is decent

[clever sun]

Rare to see Sorin look truly off

[golden plover]

This art feels wildly different than usual

[clever sun]

This one feels like Sorin at least

[atomic harness]

I really like that one

[golden plover]

This one is also kinda off

[atomic harness]

Sorin is just there for a good time

[golden plover]

But I think it was at least intentional

[clever sun]

I was thinking of [[Sorin Imperious Blood Lord]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/115/sorin-imperious-bloodlord

Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
+1: Target creature you control gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn. If it's a Vampire, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
+1: You may sacrifice a Vampire. When you do, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord deals 3 damage to any target and you gain 3 life.
−3: You may put a Vampire creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 4

[golden plover]

I think this was supposed to be Sorin when he's fully a vampire

[clever sun]

He is always fully a vampire

[golden plover]

Yeah Bloodlord is a little weird too, but it's kind of a middle ground

[clever sun]

You mean when he is hungry for blood?

[golden plover]

I guess, yeah

He alternates between looking like a vampire and just being a guy

[clever sun]

I have news about what vampires are like

[copper pecan]

am i crazy or does this look like rata

[golden plover]

Arlinn is honestly maybe one of the most consistently depicted walkers tbh

Voice of the Pack sorta made her look younger

But she generally looks about the same

[atomic harness]

I see it

[atomic harness]

Arlinn

[golden plover]

Like this looks a bit off but it's not crazy different

Her other arts are mostly the same

[sudden lava]

day/night mechanic

[atomic harness]

what about everyone's favorite

liliana

Daybound / nightbound was cool summer

[sudden lava]

dungeons/one ring cooler

[golden plover]

Liliana is probably the least consistent looking Gatewatch actually

They've gotten a LOT better about it lately at least

Dark Realms or original OtV art is probably the furthest off model she's been

[clever sun]

Arlinn has never looked to be in her 40s

[atomic harness]

She always looks different but it's a good time

[golden plover]

Like this is a completely different woman

[atomic harness]

Professor onyx

[golden plover]

Most modern Lilianas look like the same woman

Onyx is an exception because she's supposed to be disguised

[clever sun]

Not very disguised but yeah

[golden plover]

OH! TEZZERET IS REALLY BAD ABOUT IT!

Tezzeret changes races every third card

[clever sun]

Tezzeret has never been consistent since the beginning

[golden plover]

I have no clue if he's supposed to be white or black

Like he looks black here?

[clever sun]

He's Dimir actually

[clever sun]

Core blue with a bit of Black

[golden plover]

But he's a white dude with dreads here?

[clever sun]

You'd be surprised at how truly proficient some artists are at drawing minorities

or specifically

[sudden lava]

I hope the sliver precon is good

[clever sun]

How many artists are incapable of doing so

[golden plover]

He's SUPER white here

Like this guy looks like he's gonna tell me about ipas at a party

[clever sun]

[[Tezzeret the Seeker]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/62/tezzeret-the-seeker

Tezzeret the Seeker <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tezzeret
+1: Untap up to two target artifacts.
−X: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
−5: Artifacts you control become artifact creatures with base power and toughness 5/5 until end of turn.
Loyalty: 4

[clever sun]

The OG art isn't very great at identifying him as non-white too

(It's Mono-blue)

[atomic harness]

Maybe the metal reacts with his skin

he is the betrayer of flesh

[clever sun]

[[Tezzeret Agent of Bolas]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/97/tezzeret-agent-of-bolas

Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tezzeret
+1: Look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal an artifact card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
−1: Target artifact becomes an artifact creature with base power and toughness 5/5.
−4: Target player loses X life and you gain X life, where X is twice the number of artifacts you control.
Loyalty: 3

[golden plover]

Honestly, I think Tezzeret is probably the least consistent looking walker then, yeah

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5082a2a-e8b1-4799-ad29-a632d95ae1da.jpg?1619403749

sure its a 35 cents card, but they 100% should put this in the precon

[dense berry]

OtV kinda defined her look

[golden plover]

It did, but it's sorta off model nowadays

[dense berry]

though im a fan of Argyle's danger ladies i gotta give the best liliana art to Karla Ortiz's depiction

[atomic harness]

summer dont paint a bigger target for yourself

slivers already get ganged up on hard enough

[sudden lava]

It's just facts that encoring that into 3 copies (assuming 4 player game) with a wide enough board could be lethal

[dense berry]

well that is unless we count the true goat

[sudden lava]

also I found horsemanship for slivers

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f68c4c2-91b5-4ffe-9dff-a6834038aa94.jpg?1562901214

[dense berry]

which is obviously the best art in all of magic

let alone liliana

[sudden lava]

it's 4.50, not that bad price wise since its a 1 of

[dense berry]

but this is kinda unfair

Amano is like the living Da Vinci or Picasso of this era

[golden plover]

Weird art choice for showcase lotus cobra

[dense berry]

got a pic?

[golden plover]

Genuinely probably one of my favorite arts in the game

[sudden lava]

snek

[dense berry]

i prefer this cobra

terese nielsen rolling out non stop hits tbh

[golden plover]

It really does suck how good her style was

[dense berry]

oh shit i didnt realize they got her on wrong think

wow that really sucks

she didnt even bring her views into her work like Harold McNeil or something

[twilit canyon]

donating to alt-right groups is a bit of an oopsie in today's modern climate

[dense berry]

yeah her art is still better than anybody in the game rn

[twilit canyon]

ehhhh idk

i like it

but i have some artists in recent times who do work thats as good or better imo

but art is subjective

[atomic harness]

Tell em misty

[dense berry]

nah nielsen is goated 100%

up there with rebecca guay and amy weber

[twilit canyon]

i super enjoy daarken's works

[[yarok the desecrated]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/220/yarok-the-desecrated

Yarok, the Desecrated <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Horror
Deathtouch, lifelink
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
"Yarok grieves within the waste Of Bala Ged's corrupted land." —Lament for Bala Ged, stanza 1
3/5

[waxen timber]

MTG should just do the Yugioh way of having 0 contraversial artists by not giving credit to anyone ||/s||

[dense berry]

daarken is really nice yeah

Igor Kieryluk too

[twilit canyon]

oh

johannes voss

is easily a fave over terese's works

imo

[[plains|dmu]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/262/plains

Plains

Basic Land — Plains
(: Add .)

[twilit canyon]

hm

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/264/plains

this one

fucking gorgeous

[dense berry]

i just think that people can think what they want

firing terese over who she follows on twitter is the kinda cancel culture shit that makes people think liberalism is cringy

[copper pecan]

i mean she was openly racist

[twilit canyon]

companies are also allowed to choose who they work with

[dense berry]

never in her professional artwork

its not like Harold McNeil

[dense berry]

oh i fully understand that im just saying its a loss for mtg

and for the players

[copper pecan]

would you go out of your way to continue to give money to someone you knew was racist if you had the option to give money to anyone else instead?

[dense berry]

because shes talented and skilled as hell

[copper pecan]

there are tons of other people who are talented that aren't racist

[dense berry]

like im sorry but they have money to send Carly Mazur's way or the way of any of these artists who keep copy pasting nicol bolas's head onto their work

im so happy mtg is being progressive so we get this instead of more nielsen

[hidden ermine]

... you do know that they likely wanted it to look this way, right?

This was an intentional choice

[dense berry]

oh its a modern art masterpiece for sure

[hidden ermine]

Its not like you give money to an artist and go "yeah just draw me whatever you want", with a brand like mtg they are heavily involved in the process

[dense berry]

not actually as much as you would think

they give the prompt to the artist and then the artist submits a draft

its how we got Nirkana Revenant in mtg with full frontal nudity

because they just didnt even check

Igor even posted on his Twitter or whatever people were using at the time like pog wtf they just ran the first submission?

[meager isle]

Isn’t there reports of them checking too?

I guess it’s just inconsistent

[hidden ermine]

That was 13 years ago

I mean sometimes the first draft is good

[dense berry]

to be fair the first draft was real good

whats a little nudity when its that gorgeous

[meager isle]

[[nirkana revenant]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/voc/134/nirkana-revenant

Nirkana Revenant <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Shade
Whenever you tap a Swamp for mana, add an additional .
: Nirkana Revenant gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
Hate is an everlasting wellspring from which she is eternally sustained.
4/4

[meager isle]

That’s nude?

[dense berry]

you might not wanna pull up the original artwork in chat

[hidden ermine]

Its the rise of eldrazi version

Though its "nudity" in the same way leagues evelynn is

Its moreso implied

[meager isle]

Ah

[dense berry]

implied by the lack of clothes

[meager isle]

I mean you don’t see the … parts

[dense berry]

yeah shes as anatomically correct as a barbie doll

[hidden ermine]

Yes, they are obscured by shadowy mists

Literally like Evelynn

[dense berry]

im not familiar with evelynn

[meager isle]

Succubus basically

[dense berry]

the artwork im seeing from a quick google shows clothing

i might have the wrong character?

i know nothing about lol

[hidden ermine]

It looks like clothing in one of the splasharts maybe

Idk, its the general concept though

Either way, yeah no, theyre definitely involved in the process

That version of Faithless Looting was deliberate

Im not saying I like it

I dont think it looks good

[dense berry]

deliberately bad

[hidden ermine]

But it was intentional

[dense berry]

yeah

they uh

they paid for that

id ask for a refund personally

[meager isle]

Refund from the artist they paid?

[copper pecan]

the actual painting of that faithless looting looks fine, it only looks really bad when it's cropped down to card size

and presumeably by the time they noticed that it was too late to change it

[golden plover]

I don't love it, but I do love the JP one

[dense berry]

the jp one is a completely different story

one of the better mystic archives imo

gorgeous

i cringe to think they paid these artists the same amount

[granite badge]

ehhh this is one of the rare times I disagree with you

its probably one of my favorite blue counter flavor texts

[[Cancel|M21]] is good too

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/46/cancel

Cancel <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.
"I decide what stands in my way."

[dense berry]

its just very generic counterspell flavor text

[granite badge]

I mean ya but it doesn't need to be anything else imo

its a bit on the corny side but that's fine by me

[dense berry]

im pretty sure there is a counterspell that just has the flavor text "No."

[granite badge]

idt there is

[granite badge]

I've scoured almost all of them afaik

[dense berry]

classic remand is one of my faves

conveys the smug blue player vibe very well

[meager isle]

[[whirlwind denial|thb]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/81/whirlwind-denial

Whirlwind Denial <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
For each spell and ability your opponents control, counter it unless its controller pays .
"No, no, and ... no."

[golden plover]

I always feel like this card should be better

[dense berry]

yeah this is what i was thinking of

[trail anvil]

well you gotta consider how many situations there are where there are multiple spells or abilities on the stack. the answer is usually not that often outside of counter wars (which don't really need this card) or storm

[sleek ferry]

How’s historic brawl Lotr edition treating you Komi

[trail anvil]

it's convolute with a slight benefit

[trail anvil]

I've only tried gollum in a few games so idk entirely

this is a kinda fun commander though

[dense berry]

in basically every situation where its good, Flusterstorm or Mindbreak Trap is way better

[trail anvil]

probably

unless you really need that base line counter

[dense berry]

im pretty low on mindbreak trap too

wdenial does hit abilities though

and thats a pretty cool niche that shouldn't be avoided as much as it is

[twilit canyon]

flusterstorm is just always better

hitting abilities is so niche

its never worth it

[dense berry]

well it does hit a wider variety of things on top of abilities

but yeah Flusterstorm goated

[twilit canyon]

its just really hard to beat efficiency

[dense berry]

i guess to be fair one was printed into standard and one was printed straight into legacy so maybe expectations should be managed but still

[glad peak]

Speaking of flavor text

[dense berry]

Yooo

yes

this one

this is like the sassiest counterspell flavor text

[sleek ferry]

The new historic precons are actually so fun

[meager isle]

There's also [[counterspell|sld]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/331/counterspell

Counterspell <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.
"If only there were a way to counter your inevitable whining."

[rigid scarab]

[[counterspell|tmp]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/57/counterspell

Counterspell <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.
"It was probably a lousy spell in the first place." —Ertai, wizard adept

[rigid scarab]

[[counterspell|mmq]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/69/counterspell

Counterspell <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.
"Your attack has been rendered harmless. It is, however, quite pretty." —Saprazzan vizier

[rigid scarab]

Counterspell just has the best flavour texts

[granite badge]

most of the one liners make great statuses tbh

[dense berry]

[[infernal contract|mir]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mir/129/infernal-contract

Infernal Contract <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Draw four cards. You lose half your life, rounded up.
"But I signed nothing!" —Taraneh, Suq'Ata mage

[dense berry]

my favorite card in general and the flavor text is perfect

[meager isle]

Suq’Atan of balls

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/N2Pdqd9wdhs

Includes Edgin as one of the commanders

piloted by Maldhound

[golden plover]

God I hope those cards get UW designs really badly

Some of them are cool, but it completely takes me out of the game to see Chris Pine the actual person on a magic card

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/x7N1A1AmuSM

[sudden lava]

Oof no Bilbo

[sleek ferry]

[[lobelia sackville]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/93/lobelia-sackville-baggins

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
Flash
Menace
When Lobelia Sackville-Baggins enters the battlefield, exile target creature card from an opponent's graveyard that was put there from the battlefield this turn, then create X Treasure tokens, where X is the exiled card's power.
2/3

[sleek ferry]

This card is pretty nice

Thinking of building a rakdos something in historic

[twilit canyon]

lobelia doesnt make the cut in historic rakdos

[dense berry]

i was asking myself how in the world i missed that card in spoiler season until i read the line from the battlefield this turn

[twilit canyon]

they knew itd be too good if it was static

[sleek ferry]

Kinda just want to throw her in some magda treasure pile. Historic doesn’t seem as high powered as I thought

[twilit canyon]

it is pretty high

much higher than pioneer

[meager isle]

Bring back brainstorm to Historic

[twilit canyon]

no

izzet wizards is a top tier deck they dont need brainstorm

[sleek ferry]

Yeah pioneer was also shockingly low power

[dense berry]

probably because post modern card design is 100% midrange instead of the combo soup that makes up modern and legacy

[rigid scarab]

||Really good episode, especially after MOM and ONE disappointed. Loran into Austere Command is a highlight||

[meager isle]

What is post Modern

We talking about art now?

[twilit canyon]

i think loot means post-modern horizons design

[dense berry]

post modern to me is post mtga launch

now that cards are designed around that mobile game structure

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV7h25dkrnQ

Wow I can't believe the Professor ||Found the 1/1 Ring, Sold it and retired to a cabana in Hawaii||

[meager isle]

Is he opening Collector boosters?

[golden plover]

Nah, he said he won't do a collector booster game this set because the collector booster has basically no value and they're too expensive

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been playing some jank dwarf build in historic centered around magda

And boy has it been fun

[golden plover]

I think he skipped collectors boosters for aftermath too

The value in collectors boosters keeps getting worse and they keep putting more unique treatments in them

[twilit canyon]

wait hole up

im kinda cooking here

[sleek ferry]

Hmm explain Invasion of Tarkir for me

Because I’m very confused

[twilit canyon]

-1 torch of defiance +1 koth

is my only change

wym

invasion of tarkir is 2 mana interaction

2 mana deal 2

+1 devotion

in case of emergency, flip it

[sleek ferry]

Ah right

I forgot it still deals base 2 without revealing anything

What a stupid fucking card

[twilit canyon]

i thought about putting in some dragons

and my baby [[phyrexian harvester]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/13/phyrexian-harvester

Phyrexian Harvester <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Menace
Whenever Phyrexian Harvester is dealt damage, seek that many nonland cards. At the beginning of your next end step, discard those cards.
5/5

[twilit canyon]

but i found that theres just no need

and i would rather play interaction and planeswalkers

• i cant abuse harvester as well as i would like here

i have too many fat things and if he is taking damage to get the cards, i likely wont have the devotion left to abuse them

[sleek ferry]

[[omen of the forge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/145/omen-of-the-forge

Omen of the Forge <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Flash
When Omen of the Forge enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to any target.
, Sacrifice Omen of the Forge: Scry 2.
"My time will come, when all the world will be reforged in the fires of my invention."

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/XIKEord_Xt4

[sudden lava]

it took me the game knights episode to realize sauron could use sac outlets to abuse the Amass ability

[trail anvil]

man this commander is so fun

golgari in hbrawl in general is super fun

recycling kami of mourning with yawgmoth is a genuinely bonkers combo that I adore

also [[palantir of orthanc]] has been way stronger than I anticipated in this format, when it's slow the burn hits extremely hard or it's just a phyrexian arena + scry on the end phase

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/247/palantír-of-orthanc

Palantír of Orthanc <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, put an influence counter on Palantír of Orthanc and scry 2. Then target opponent may have you draw a card. If that player doesn't, you mill X cards, where X is the number of influence counters on Palantír of Orthanc, and that player loses life equal to the total mana value of those cards.

[trail anvil]

I think you gotta be playing either a gy reliant deck or a deck that can pressure though to make sure neither option is good

[waxen timber]

I think green is also good for this. The mana curve tends to be higher and scry 2 every turn can trigger a lot of effects

[dense berry]

pretty bad compared to The One Ring tbh

[meager isle]

I like how it can effectively kill the opponent by the second proc if they decide to let you mill twice and all three cards have like 5 cmc

[clever sun]

Yeah this card is definitely not as strong as The One Ring but the One Ring is proving to be capable of influencing Modern

In any case, The One Ring and Orcish Bowmasters are the biggest standout cards

No surprise there

[twilit canyon]

dont forget delighted halfling

singlehandedly making yawgmoth tier 1 with bowmaster

[clever sun]

Right

Cast into the Fire has been solid as has Flame of Anor

Honestly surprised at how this set seems to be influencing Modern how Standard sets do

[meager isle]

Well it is mh3 sort of

[atomic harness]

cant believe we have mh3 now

[twilit canyon]

aight lmao we found some funny stuff with orcish bowmaster loops in yawgmoth

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rR4CyB1AsH9C-iehKQDOLutwW9f97Q3V9yLIW4WZnO4/mobilebasic

so this is the basic current yawgmoth combo atm

with summoners pact, we can turn a green creature into 2 damage

can go 2 pact 4 undying = infinite too

1 pact and 3 undying is already 2 damage per

god is this deck gonna need to go to 61-62 cards

[glad peak]

Put it at 69 cards like so many of the elemental piles

Also best part about bowmasters: you can have another good beatstick by proliferating the army size with yawg

[dense berry]

lotho is super broken for cedh specifically too

curves into turn 2/3 naus + silence super easily

[lusty trench]

He generates enough mana that I'm happy enough to put him in my casual decks too

[clever sun]

Yeah I do wish it had a more relevant creature type though

[hidden ermine]

Yeah thats commander for ya

Although Im not sure what kingmaker refers to here

Just the kingmaker scenario of games in general

Or is there a card like that

[lusty trench]

This

[twilit canyon]

kingmaker is a pathfinder 2e module that is a lot of fun

commander is awesome that it lets u play an entirely different game within it

[hidden ermine]

I dont think combining Commander with a TTRPG sounds like a good idea

Both of those individually take forever anyway

[twilit canyon]

hey if it works it works

our kingmaker campaign just took off ngl

been a lot of fun

[hidden ermine]

Nice

[twilit canyon]

we are just waiting for it to hit forge.ttv

cus foundry takes a while to load at times

[hidden ermine]

Is there no free vttrpg that does Pathfinder?

[twilit canyon]

there is iirc

but we prefer forge since its so clean and the servers are insanely nice

[atomic harness]

[[lotho]] [[orcish bowmaster]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/213/lotho-corrupt-shirriff

Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Rogue
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, you lose 1 life and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"Whatever is wrong in the Shire, Lotho will be at the bottom of it: you can be sure of that." —Pippin
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/103/orcish-bowmasters

Orcish Bowmasters <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Orc Archer
Flash
When Orcish Bowmasters enters the battlefield and whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, Orcish Bowmasters deals 1 damage to any target. Then amass Orcs 1.
1/1

[trail anvil]

got the email

[trail anvil]

damn green best color

just not in standard

[dense berry]

i dont have an account but ive played like 10 games on my friend's account

was able to pretty easily hold top 100 in standard ranked bo1

well 10 games of standard and a bunch of standard brawl but thats free wins anyway nobody plays good magic in brawl

[granite badge]

I think I've probably played less than 100 games

[sudden lava]

I got a ruling question

If Popular Entertainer and my commander(s) are on the field, if I hit multiple players with 1 or more creatures that turn (example: I hit all 3 opponents with my 3 creatures) does it trigger per player or do I just pick 1 of the opponents?

[sleek ferry]

[[popular entertainer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/192/popular-entertainer

Popular Entertainer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, goad target creature that player controls." (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
The last thing anyone would describe you as is shy. You love the spotlight, and it loves you back.

[sleek ferry]

Per player

[sudden lava]

Sweet

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/wI_GzYBSiJw

[clever sun]

Oh someone just cast Bowmaster into my Thoughtcast

I may kill myself instantly

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

did you survive the amassing of orcs and the pings

[clever sun]

Yes because the Big Kap is broken

[atomic harness]

Bowmasters seems way better than that fairy invitational lookin guy

[clever sun]

The what

Oh Yuta

[atomic harness]

Aye

[clever sun]

They work well together

[atomic harness]

oh thats true hmm

[clever sun]

I saw Modern Dimir Midrange with both and subtlety

It did decent in a challenge

Basically it hard counters Fable

and T3f

and eats Ragavan in many different ways

Either the ping, the army or the orcs themselves

Okay so brief testing in Legacy done during work, I really will hate Bowmasters in this format LOL

Did this to myself for playing 8-Cast

[golden plover]

Wow this is probably one of the weakest lair offerings of all time

Literally 4 uncommons

$0.75 value

[twilit canyon]

classic art

[golden plover]

I mean the screen caps from the movie are cool

Since they are just screen caps after all

This art style is cool, but it's also nonexistent value

I actually don't think there's a single lair in the superdrop worth asking price if you total up the cards

Remember when we joked about nemesis of reason the other day lmao

[fallow citrus]

one word off of that gaea's reprint making the best lair drop ever

[golden plover]

Lmao true

But they included the $0.10 uncommon instead

They seem to all be $0.10 uncommon lairs this time

[fallow citrus]

least you get an alt art for your pioneer creativity deck

[golden plover]

Elementals is like $2 in cards, Goblins is like $8. Artist Series is like $20, it's the closest to having any value

And LoTR is $0.50

It's the furthest from having any value

The art for this one is cool

But that's another 2 uncommons and a total value of $15

This one is just weird?

It's 10 flavor texts written by John Darnell of the Mountain Goats

But they're not really in reference to anything and it doesn't say that except on the site

I love the mountain goats, but that's weird

[sleek ferry]

$[[tinybones]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/17/tinybones-trinket-thief

Tinybones, Trinket Thief <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Skeleton Rogue
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent discarded a card this turn, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
: Each opponent with no cards in hand loses 10 life.
Big distractions mean tiny nuisances can slip by unnoticed.
1/2

[fallow citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXihXom0ICY

hmm

one ring sure does seem to be literally everywhere

[glad peak]

[[the one ring]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/246/the-one-ring

The One Ring <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Legendary Artifact
Indestructible
When The One Ring enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you gain protection from everything until your next turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life for each burden counter on The One Ring.
: Put a burden counter on The One Ring, then draw a card for each burden counter on The One Ring.

[glad peak]

It certainly plays better than it reads

[fallow citrus]

much better than it reads

[glad peak]

First time I read it (and the time I blew it off) I thought it said you lose the amount of life equal to the amount of burden counters each time you tap and only draw 1 lol

I can’t read

[twilit canyon]

i thought a 4 mana phyrexian arena for the 1st effect would be harmless but it does come in clutch vs aggro a lot of times

[fallow citrus]

seems like it's turned out to be really good cause like

your opp being on something like rhino or potentially even hammer is just fine for you

I also like the new additions to living end

having swamp and mountaincyclers with good abilities is huge

[sleek ferry]

Honestly, The One Ring is way better in practice than in theory for CEDH

I slept on it

[meager isle]

Wait what cards?

[fallow citrus]

[[oliphaunt]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/139/oliphaunt

Oliphaunt <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elephant
Trample
Whenever Oliphaunt attacks, another target creature you control gets +2/+0 and gains trample until end of turn.
Mountaincycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a mountain card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
6/4

[fallow citrus]

[[generous ent]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/169/generous-ent

Generous Ent <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk
Reach
When Generous Ent enters the battlefield, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Forestcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a Forest card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
5/7

[fallow citrus]

i meant forest not swamp

[zinc shard]

man all of these secret lairs seem bad

[fallow citrus]

there is a swampcycler but I don't think it's played

[zinc shard]

Also think this one got missed

[golden plover]

Yeah both of those are nice styles but like $10 in cards

There's 0 value in any of the lairs

[dense berry]

theyre really stiffing the people who preordered

[clever sun]

Ooh I want those gobbos

[golden plover]

Weird they picked goblin lackey for 2 different goblin secret lairs

But he does holy the entire value of the goblin one so fair enough

[sudden lava]

https://preview.redd.it/rv2ezpzn0e8b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c3bfc4e5e138f2d91af22c3f808b19791b5dbf5a

NO

[lusty trench]

Y'all like bulk?

[golden plover]

Literally not even $1 worth of cards in foil

[sudden lava]

and they charging 39 dollars

[golden plover]

Yup. And it's gonna be the best selling lair of all time lmao

[sudden lava]

this is worse then the oops all basic lands one

[golden plover]

Because too many people will just buy it for whatever

[sleek ferry]

https://twitter.com/dexerto/status/1673390417184804866?s=46&t=DdUsqNPs-c3IFDRYOhiq8A

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

xQc spent over $9K trying to find the $2 million rare Magic the Gathering card

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[lusty trench]

Literally this is better than the gandalf that's in thete

[sudden lava]

https://cdn-prod.scalefast.com/public/assets/img/resized/wizardsofthecoast-secret-lair/9e1a29453f41b301994f0741cffcbb8c_400_KR.png

30 dollars for 2 basic lands of each color

[golden plover]

Hey most basic lands lairs are 1 of each

[hidden ermine]

It doesnt show it here, but the bottomless pit flavour text is great

https://preview.redd.it/xr13bmsc0e8b1.png?width=795&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=8cc9fa4fd161e5b05f31e1241f088c2832b0dcdb

[meager isle]

Is this the first time text has gone through the border on a non un card?

[copper pecan]

yes

[golden plover]

I really like the skeletons but I can't justify $15 of cards for $30

[lusty trench]

Pope is about to approach his poor proxy company of choice again and ask them to do single print runs

[golden plover]

If I ever decide to build tinybones ill proxy that art

[glad peak]

oh wait bottomless pit is actually sick with tinybones

now i wish for a cheaper but weaker version (force a draw+discard maybe?) of it so tinybones can more effectively draw 4 each turn

[rigid scarab]

Everyone talks about how some Yugioh cards look like MTG cards

fuck it

What are MTG cards that look like Yugioh cards

[golden plover]

Art or effects?

Art wise, the jumpstart 22 arts

This just looks like a tear card

[rigid scarab]

Art-wise

[rigid scarab]

Reinoheart?

[golden plover]

Probably

But yeah, most of the anime cards look like yugioh

Effect wise? Anything that's got way too much text

So half of SNC

I get why they put these in the set, but these were commons

[lusty trench]

The anime arts for jumpstart 22 were mostly a shit show

[golden plover]

There's a couple good ones, but most look cheap and feel like they're on the wrong card

I think my least favorite has to be Lord of The Accursed

Like this is just an anime girl in a mummy costume

This art fucks hard

[lusty trench]

Your least favourite?

[meager isle]

The anime art looks more like vanguard honestly

[golden plover]

Yep

Actually... Forgot about Tragic Slip

That one is by far the worst

This art is great

This feels like an entirely different card game

[lusty trench]

But pope these exist

[golden plover]

Oh god I forgot about those

Yeah... Magnifying Glass is REALLY bad

Like wtf is this

[twilit canyon]

whirler rogue is fine at least

[golden plover]

It's okay but it's really weird

They also whitewashed her

[twilit canyon]

[[!whirlee rogue]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/244/whirler-rogue

Whirler Rogue

[twilit canyon]

hmm yea ik its not legendary

[golden plover]

Her normal art for context

[twilit canyon]

but it does feel a bit icky that she isnt still colored

[meager isle]

The artist just probably doesn’t draw humans

[lusty trench]

Magnifying glass artist has done some amazing art, even for magic, before

[meager isle]

Idk why they made him draw one

He did the golden dragon one

Uhhh

From kamigawa forgot its name lol

[lusty trench]

I'd agree with you

[twilit canyon]

kyodai?

[lusty trench]

If there wasn't a properly proportioned human here

[meager isle]

!art kyodai

[[kyodai]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/23/kyodai-soul-of-kamigawa

Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit
Flash
Flying
When Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa enters the battlefield, another target permanent gains indestructible for as long as you control Kyodai.
: Kyodai gets +5/+5 until end of turn.
3/3

[meager isle]

Yes

The jp art one

[twilit canyon]

[[!kyodai soul of kamigawa]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/23/kyodai-soul-of-kamigawa

Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa

[lusty trench]

Kyokais alt art has a human in it

Properly proportioned

[twilit canyon]

[[!kyodai soul of kamigawa|prm]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/prm/97869/kyodai-soul-of-kamigawa

Kyodai, Soul of Kamigawa

[meager isle]

I meant like humans as a main piece lol

[twilit canyon]

wrong promo

[meager isle]

He draws all big creatures

[golden plover]

Oh I forgot about spectral sailor too

That one was kinda creepy

[twilit canyon]

in what way?

this one is the most fitting pun

[golden plover]

Well I guess creepy isn't the right word

[meager isle]

Creepy ghost

[golden plover]

But it's a weird draw-over to make him into an anime high school girl

Feels like one of those questionable Etsy alters

[twilit canyon]

sailor uniform

and shes a ghost/spirit

[meager isle]

There we go

Not like amazing but way better than magnifying glass one

[golden plover]

It's not the worst, it definitely feels like one step away from the guy who gets alter sleeves that put half naked anime girls on his basics

[twilit canyon]

meh i think those are very different people

[meager isle]

This one is professionally paid because he draws anime girls

[rigid scarab]

Alphonso realising he just doesn't like anime arts

Slowly but surely

[lusty trench]

Bruh if I had a nickel for every time I received what I ordered in a sleeve with lewd art of an anime girl of questionable age, I'd have two nickles but it's weird it's happened twice

[meager isle]

Oh the same Artist drew jp tamiyo and farewell

Ngl I love the farewell art

[golden plover]

I got one a while back on my doubling season

[meager isle]

Like yea it has little girls

But that’s not why I like it

[golden plover]

Dunno where the sleeve went, but it was the gurren lagaan girl in a super horny pose

Honestly I probably lost it when I moved lmao

[rigid scarab]

I wonder what the flavor is between the art and effect

[golden plover]

This art is way better than the original tbh

Even ignoring the original is Seb McKinnon

[rigid scarab]

Idk

I think I prefer the original farewell art

Because the art is inline with the effect

This is just

The end frame of an anime ending song

[golden plover]

Neither art really feel like they're capturing the effect super well

[twilit canyon]

original art is very good yea its just a shame its seb

[meager isle]

It captures the name

[golden plover]

I get that they're both supposed to be the anime trope of purity exiling evil tho

[rigid scarab]

I think it does

[golden plover]

It works, I just like the showcase a lot more

Helps that it's one less Seb art

[meager isle]

The jp name is kokubetsu which has a more implication of saying your last farewells to the dead before they ascend

So it’s probably why it looks less like a boardwipe

[golden plover]

Speaking of Seb, I hope we get a new Animatou art at some point

They missed their chance with double masters, and she won't be in commander masters because of it

[lusty trench]

Me when my first commander is drawn by an anti Vax dumbass

[rigid scarab]

Is this because of an instagram post

[meager isle]

Wait why not Commander masters?

[meager isle]

Twitter iirc but close enough

[golden plover]

It was in double masters

They're likely not gonna double dip

[meager isle]

Nothings stopping them

FoW got a reprint in dominaria

[golden plover]

He posted a video of him at the Canadian trucker rally. Which was anti-vax shit. Then when people said that there were literally Nazis there (the event was organized by Nazis), he went "well I didn't see any, only some nice people"

[rigid scarab]

I still love the farewell art

[golden plover]

So a bit more than a Twitter post

[rigid scarab]

Being antivax doesn't make you bad at drawing

[golden plover]

He's still definitely a super talented artist, but he's very questionable now

[rigid scarab]

Are we using the literal term of Nazi here

[golden plover]

Yes

[meager isle]

They said they were nazis yes

[golden plover]

The event was literally organized by actual nazis

[rigid scarab]

As in German Worker's Party Nazis

How the hell do those exist in canada

[golden plover]

Swastikas on trucks, outright talking about neo Nazi shit on their website, etc

[rigid scarab]

OK I had to clarify because

[golden plover]

I guess if we're being super literal, they were "neo Nazis" but the point still stands

[rigid scarab]

The term 'Nazi' has definitely gone through some change these past few years

[meager isle]

I guess neo is more accurate like he said

But still a nazi

[golden plover]

So best case scenario Seb is a dumb anti-vaxer

Worse case, he's covering for neo nazis (which you don't do unless you're sorta on the same page as them)

[rigid scarab]

On the anti-vaxxer thing I'm at least hopeful because I'm sure many anti-vaxxers turned pro-vaxx post covid

But then again

Probably happened at 2020

2022

Not so sure

[golden plover]

It happened in 2022

So he was anti vax because of COVID stuff, and also covering for Nazis is still a bad look

[trail anvil]

other way around as far as I can tell

[golden plover]

Just went to see what Seb is up to now and apparently they shuffled him to DC comics?

He's an illustrator on various Batman comics now

[rigid scarab]

I mean you see more people being anti-vaxx doesn't mean more anti-vaxxers propped up

Just that many were silent

[trail anvil]

not necessarily, but I imagine when it becomes a political viewpoint it attracts more people

[golden plover]

Remember how I said if you don't pull the one ring from a collectors booster, you don't get any value?

I was definitely right, but the ring is up to $70-$80 (foil) now

So the ring is definitely worth it

Bowmasters is the only other card in the set worth anything

[lusty trench]

People who bought 1 bundle and dipped doing pretty well ngl

(it is me, I am people)

[golden plover]

I bought a collectors booster and dipped with the same result lmao

Got a foil regular ring

[lusty trench]

Isn't that like $80 rn?

[golden plover]

Yeah

I'm probably gonna go sell it

Actually, I gotta go run errands today

Definitely gonna sell it

[golden plover]

LGS can only do $40 for it because it's curled (from the fucking pack) so imma have to try and flatten it

[lusty trench]

Honestly go to wotc support if you still got the pack id

[golden plover]

I don't. I'm just gonna try and flatten it with some books

It's crazy how much it curled tho. Like I sold an assassin's trophy that was sitting on my desk since I moved and it was perfectly flat

[sleek ferry]

It’s weird how much current mtg foils curl tbh, like the stock feels thicker than ygo stock, but it pringles just the same

Wonder if it’s the foiling treatment itself

[golden plover]

They cheaped out somewhere and it's made foils awful lately

[dense berry]

almost all mtg cards are now more pushed than yugioh in terms of number of effects

like look at this

target protection, value whenever they play, combat damage upside, constant draw engine

4 positive effects with no drawbacks

[copper pecan]

there are barely any yugioh cards with more than 3 effects

[hidden ermine]

Theyre just long effects

[glad peak]

If you stretch keywords to full sentences with their meanings, more cards will feel like yugioh cards

[lusty trench]

after playing the lotr elf deck out of the box

this is abysmal what

the only way you win is with overwhelming stampede

[dense berry]

also just wanna point out its not just 6cmc cards like this

[[ragavan, nimble pilferer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/138/ragavan-nimble-pilferer

Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer <:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Monkey Pirate
Whenever Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and exile the top card of that player's library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card.
Dash (You may cast this spell for its dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/1

[dense berry]

twice as many effects as its cmc

progresses your tempo in four different axes aggressively at the same time

here is just a quick example of a card that is also 8+ effects picked at random from the newest set

[copper pecan]

people make fun of yugioh cards for being wordy but [[questing beast]] is way wordier than the vast majority of yugioh cards

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https://scryfall.com/card/eld/171/questing-beast

Questing Beast <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Beast
Vigilance, deathtouch, haste
Questing Beast can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
Combat damage that would be dealt by creatures you control can't be prevented.
Whenever Questing Beast deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls.
4/4

[granite badge]

wait how is this 8 I'm only counting 4 here

[hidden ermine]

Tbh

YGO is also wordy only because it writes the full effect out

Technically the ring tempting you is 5 effects (Sorta)

[granite badge]

"Vigilance"

"Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell"

"Sacrifice Boromir, Warden of the Tower: Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn"

"The Ring Tempts you"

[golden plover]

The ring tempts you

[granite badge]

what does the ring even do

[golden plover]

It has 4 different built in effects

[hidden ermine]

So

[dense berry]

the ring does a lot

[hidden ermine]

It makes one of your guys legendary and the ringbearer

[golden plover]

It has 4 different built in effects

[granite badge]

I honestly have not looked at a single LOTR card cause its such a snoozefest for me

[hidden ermine]

And then it does this

https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/3/37852/4133847-0013a_mtgltr_thering.jpg

[golden plover]

Yeah all the ring stuff is kinda boring and also just way too extra

[granite badge]

not in depth anyway

[golden plover]

The One Ring and Bowmasters are like the two cards I cared about

[dense berry]

people sleeping on lotho because he is a peasant with only one effect

[twilit canyon]

creature type is also wanting

if lotho was a human? auto fave

[dense berry]

its 2023 we need tribally diverse cedh creature lineups

[sleek ferry]

Also humans are in a fine spot anyways

[meager isle]

are we?

idk man

[sudden lava]

at least it has a cool ward effect

[twilit canyon]

built up dimir midrange in histori

c

one ring and bowmasters and mastermind working together to make ppl miserable

its hard to describe how much orcish bowmasters makes thalia suffer

[glad peak]

I keep trying to make a deck that shows why gaining advantage through opponent’s plays is stronger than rule of law stax (rhystic study, remora, kraum, shredder, lotho, etc) and I keep accidentally making blue farm

[sleek ferry]

Standard boros equipment is so fun

[sleek ferry]

man

why didn't i realize how insane [[nahiri's resolve]] is

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https://scryfall.com/card/mat/37/nahiris-resolve

Nahiri's Resolve <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+0 and have haste.
At the beginning of your end step, exile any number of nontoken artifacts and/or creatures you control. Return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control at the beginning of your next upkeep.
"Zendikar is my home!"

[dense berry]

i mean when kraum is on your list why wouldnt the partner be tymna

[glad peak]

The goal was to make a deck to show stax really isn’t that bad, not to make blue farm which is what it became lol

It was also meant to be casual and yet this happened

[dense berry]

i think stax kinda objectively is that bad from a competitive standpoint (as in its the least winning archetype in cedh) and when it comes to casual most people would rather do their thing uninhibited by a stax strategy

[sleek ferry]

My god man, this deck just eats up midrange decks

it feels so good

to finally dab on fucking midrange

[twilit canyon]

this deck would be way stronger in alchemy with the 2 drop

*1 drop

[sleek ferry]

maybe i'll play it in alchemy afterwards

currently 4 wins from mythic

started the day D4

it helps that trading non artifact removal vs this deck feels so bad

[twilit canyon]

go for the throat

alchemy version just needs +2-4 rares

theres an alchemy equipment at rare that is super fucking good

[sleek ferry]

link it with the bot

let me see

[twilit canyon]

[[bladehold cleaver]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yone/18/bladehold-cleaver

Bladehold Cleaver <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin!
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Whenever equipped creature dies, draft a card from Bladehold Cleaver's spellbook.
Equip

[sleek ferry]

oh this would be a nice 2 of

[twilit canyon]

worst card in the spellbook is [[blade tribe berserkers]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/som/84/blade-tribe-berserkers

Blade-Tribe Berserkers <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Berserker
Metalcraft — When Blade-Tribe Berserkers enters the battlefield, if you control three or more artifacts, Blade-Tribe Berserkers gets +3/+3 and gains haste until end of turn.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

best cards include [[auriok sunchaser]] [[bladehold war whip]] [[dragonwing glider]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/som/4/auriok-sunchaser

Auriok Sunchaser <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Metalcraft — As long as you control three or more artifacts, Auriok Sunchaser gets +2/+2 and has flying.
"Grant me loft. Grant me light. Grant me the accuracy I need to kill all who threaten Bladehold." —Prayer to the Whitesun
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/one/197/bladehold-war-whip

Bladehold War-Whip <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin! (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equip abilities you activate of other Equipment cost less to activate.
Equipped creature has double strike.
Equip

https://scryfall.com/card/one/128/dragonwing-glider

Dragonwing Glider <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin! (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has flying and haste.
Equip

[twilit canyon]

[[mirran crusader]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/25/mirran-crusader

Mirran Crusader <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
Double strike, protection from black and from green
A symbol of what Mirrodin once was and hope for what it will be again.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

[[hero of bladehold]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/moc/188/hero-of-bladehold

Hero of Bladehold <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
Battle cry (Whenever this creature attacks, each other attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.)
Whenever Hero of Bladehold attacks, create two 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens that are tapped and attacking.
3/4

[twilit canyon]

[[hero of oxridge]] is solid too

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https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/66/hero-of-oxid-ridge

Hero of Oxid Ridge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Knight
Haste
Battle cry (Whenever this creature attacks, each other attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.)
Whenever Hero of Oxid Ridge attacks, creatures with power 1 or less can't block this turn.
4/2

[twilit canyon]

the trick is to use [[kembas outfitter]] to make it cost 1 then 0 with the warwhip

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https://scryfall.com/card/yone/2/kembas-outfitter

Kemba's Outfitter <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Artificer
When Kemba's Outfitter enters the battlefield, choose one —
• Choose an Equipment card in your hand. It perpetually gains equip .
• Target Equipment you control perpetually gains equip .
2/1

[twilit canyon]

from there, it infinitely grinds

equipped creature dies, get another put it on the creature

it dies get another put it on the creature

repeat ad nauseam

[sleek ferry]

I def will try the alchemy version once I pick up a few more rares. I still need like 2 more sunfalls in the md for standard and then 2 for that alchemy equipment and then my side can wait

[twilit canyon]

eventually u just get too many other creatures and or artifacts that berserkers just kills them instantly

sunfall main?

[sleek ferry]

yeah, your worst matchups are aggro from my experience so far

[twilit canyon]

[[rebel salvo]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/144/rebel-salvo

Rebel Salvo <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Affinity for Equipment (This spell costs less to cast for each Equipment you control.)
Rebel Salvo deals 5 damage to target creature or planeswalker. That permanent loses indestructible until end of turn.
"That Great Work of yours is looking pretty fragile, Urabrask!"

[sleek ferry]

I've won all but 1 game vs midrange and control so far, but aggro has gotten me on curve

salvo is so nuts

[twilit canyon]

u should be bullying aggro pretty consistently i feel

warwhip double strike and equipment in general making u beefy

whats ur current list?

[sleek ferry]

i'll send in a bit, in game atm

I ideally want a 3rd nahiri also, but no wild cards

[twilit canyon]

oh u went bigger

[sleek ferry]

yeah

[twilit canyon]

no wonder the aggro struggle

[sleek ferry]

I'm sure I could side for the aggro matchup, so i'm not overly worried about it

I kinda just wanted to test the waters first

but I really like this list rn (minus optimizing the land base more)

[twilit canyon]

i think u can go lower on curve a bit

jor kadeen is solid and more kemba are nice

[sleek ferry]

ngl, I didn't expect kemba to be as solid as he ended up being

but she comes down like a fucking bomb

[twilit canyon]

she

but yea kemba is actually great

[sleek ferry]

whoops, fixed

Lmao, speaking of Kemba, she came down, instant scoop

[twilit canyon]

suddenly the mono red player didnt feel like they were racing u

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/zHYfHpCexKA

catmander extra turns

[glad peak]

No, the purpose of the deck is to let them do their things but I gain a massive advantage, just to show them that stax really isn’t that bad

[dense berry]

enemy action based advantage engines arent really stax

[glad peak]

That was what I meant at least lol

That’s also not what I mean

But true, I was moreso trying to make a point to the group that stax and triggered advantage cards aren’t that different even if one feels bad

[dense berry]

but i think that they are inherently different

group stax doesnt advance your own board state even if its asymmetrical

group advantage engines do advance your board state, and in a very effective way

[glad peak]

Yep, that was the point, to show to the group that triggered advantage is more efficient and competitive than stax

[meager isle]

That won’t change the feeling of not liking stax

Feelings aren’t logical.

[sleek ferry]

not liking stax is weirdo behavior

[glad peak]

True but it would at least curb them from saying stax is broken when they have multiple remoras, rhystics, and the such out on their fields

[sleek ferry]

especially when we have a color focused around not letting you play the game

[meager isle]

~~It only focuses on that because wotc refuse to give it card advantage ~~

[dense berry]

i feel like one of you is talking about blue and the other is talking about white

[glad peak]

Blue doesn’t have card advantage, what’re you talking about

[meager isle]

I thought he was taking about stax lol