Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

thats not being debated here

[rigid scarab]

There's a difference between explaining and justifying

[sleek ferry]

This is the issue salt. “We” can’t talk about these issues because everything we say is seen as us attacking white individuals, when in reality we’re attacking the system. It doesn’t matter if you’re a white person listening to this and you’re like “well I’m not racist so why are they attacking me”

[twilit canyon]

the gravity of when different races insult others based on said race does change a lot based on where one lives though

[sleek ferry]

It’s the same logic as “not all cops are bad”

Systemically y’all are fucked towards us

[clever sun]

That's pretty well put. It isn't individuals per se, some are

It is the system we live in here in America

[rigid scarab]

Progressive movements tend to have ragebait titles

[clever sun]

Not everyone here is American of course

[dense berry]

i think my question is how this has to do with the topic of a race swap to being black is any different from away from black. it has nothing to do with any systematic racism

[rigid scarab]

"All Cops are Bastards" implies that every single police officer is a heinous person

In reality it just calls to the change of the policing system

[sleek ferry]

Well here’s the thing defective, by participating in the system, you’re also supporting the system, even if unwillingly or unknowingly

[clever sun]

Race swappjng to being black is very different from raceswapping away in a lot of ways

The big ones being that there is often the difference in what black characters are made with the intent for

[rigid scarab]

That's getting into semantics. It doesn't change anything about what the movement is about at its core

[waxen timber]

ACAB is just like saying "White/All lives matter" you could maybe interpret it in a way that isn't shitty but, just don't say stuff like that

[rigid scarab]

All it does is make people go through self-guilt

[clever sun]

No the fuck it isn't

White Lives/All Lives Matter sprung up as a way to belittle and remove BLM from the conversation

BLM never said only Black lives matter

[dense berry]

but in the context of these two examples of character with which their skin color is entirely irrelevant to their character, what is the difference

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, white/all lives matter was derogatory and tried to take away from the fact that black lives in this country are cut short at almost 3 times the rate of the next closest

You can’t say shit like white/Al lives matter when we’re telling you there’s proof that black lives clearly don’t matter in this country

[clever sun]

Aragorn is fictional. The Numeragons could be interpreted as black if one wants and it's fine when typecasting them.

T'challa cannot be typecasted as white since it doesn't work for his story

[dense berry]

i changed the example to nessa

[clever sun]

Nessa Pokemon right?

[dense berry]

yeah

[clever sun]

She could have been white yeah

Would not have changed much

[dense berry]

is there a noticeable difference between the implications of these two transitions

[clever sun]

Star Wars

[sleek ferry]

And tbh, something else that bothers me is that people look at the movements in the US who aren’t from the US and are like “wow what a shitshow” meanwhile it’s like, the people actually stood up for what’s common EVERYWHERE

[clever sun]

Lando Calrissian could have been made white and it isn't a big deal

[sleek ferry]

Like Europe has a a huge racial issue that nobody from Europe actually wants to talk about

[clever sun]

Annoying because it cuts into the little representation minorities get? Yes

But game changing? No

[rigid scarab]

Yeah the internet and the chronically online just have a massive hateboner for USA

It's hard to get used to if you go outside

[waxen timber]

All cops are bastards is also derogantory and to devalue the lives of others. It was often used in conjuction in calls for violence againist cops

[clever sun]

No it wasn't

[rigid scarab]

It was used in that context sometimes

"Often" is not the right word at all

[clever sun]

Very close to not-at-all

[rigid scarab]

Like yeah some people used ACAB as just an excuse to cause minor terrorism, but those cases are few and far between, and are usually publicised to show "OMG this movement is so bad!!!"

Yeah vaccines can kill sometimes but they're not bad at all

But you bet your bottom dollar that the soccer moms won't shut up about the one time it did happen

[clever sun]

Not to mention that calls for violence against cops that literally killed innocent people outside their jurisdiction

[dense berry]

systematically speaking, all US cops are bastards

[rigid scarab]

Ok that's a bit much

[clever sun]

No it isn't

There are definitely good cops here

[rigid scarab]

The very few parts of violence that did happen was mostly to just random cops, small businesses at times

I wouldn't try to justify the minor terrorism

[clever sun]

They are not allowed to be good or actively hurts them to be good

[dense berry]

the system pushes way harder than the individual

good cops do exist on the individual level though nobody should argue that

[atomic harness]

is this a bad time, I wanted to ask about akroma's will in go wide aggro lists vs the AFR phasing lad (the name eludes me)

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but arguing on the individual level is irrelevant to the discussion

[clever sun]

[[Akroma's Will]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/3/akromas-will

Akroma's Will <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Choose one. If you control a commander as you cast this spell, you may choose both.
• Creatures you control gain flying, vigilance, and double strike until end of turn.
• Creatures you control gain lifelink, indestructible, and protection from all colors until end of turn.

[clever sun]

Mid

[rigid scarab]

Shut up Ren we're talking about politics

[atomic harness]

yeah doesnt stop rift stinky

[dense berry]

its really hard to stop a rift in this game

[atomic harness]

time to phase out for now

[clever sun]

Don't stop rift

Kill the Rift player

[rigid scarab]

If you want to argue that it's fine

I'm just saying that it's a bit of a misleading slogan

[dense berry]

it is

[clever sun]

Yup and that is why the right here pushed it so much

[dense berry]

as are most blanket statements about large groups of individuals

[clever sun]

They don't wanna approach this from a position where their opposition sounds reasonable

Same reason they immediately yelled out about BLM with All Lives Matter and all

[rigid scarab]

Like tell someone who's never been on the internet what they think "Kill All Men" means

[dense berry]

a protest to a protest is oppression

while the sentiment of All Lives Matter at face value is a good one, undermining the importance of the message of BLM is highly undesirable

[rigid scarab]

Just never look at movements at face value

Their titles tend to be shit

[dense berry]

yes, movement does not equal message

[clever sun]

In any case re: Aragorn

While people get upset when a character is whitewashed, it is never paired with vitrol like we saw with Aragorn

From some yes but not as outwardly or universally as how this is going

Part of it can be equated to how modern internet political climate is like

The right is so fragile right now and lashing out against every little detail

Another part is that there is frankly, just a lot of racist people in these hobbies

[sleek ferry]

Amen to that

Tcg’s and attracting racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc name a more iconic duo

Tbf you can apply to that to any “nerd” hobby

[clever sun]

I think of /r/FreeMagic

[dense berry]

i just cant agree that there is a lack of vitriol for whitewashing, i remember the nessa post on twitter and it was absolutely nuclear

[sleek ferry]

I think you’re thinking too hard about it loot

[dense berry]

i try to think hard about everything

[clever sun]

I believe the OP of the whitewash Nessa was a huge troll

and intentionally spread it like a fan in the circles that would get very upset about it

[sleek ferry]

The default depiction for most fictional characters is “white”, thus it is the expected whenever. A new character is introduced.

[dense berry]

if by this you mean they posted it on twitter, yes

[sleek ferry]

But when they take a character that is black/brown and depict is as white, that is indeed white washing

[clever sun]

They posted it on twitter with specific tags Iirc

[sleek ferry]

Imagine if an artist was like “I’m going to make teferi white this set”

[clever sun]

Granted: I am so used to whitewashed characters that I rarely pay mind to it unless it is tasteless and done intentionally

[sleek ferry]

That’s whitewashing

[clever sun]

That's why whitewashed Nessa when that came about was annoying but not a big deal to me

[dense berry]

||https://twitter.com/hews__/status/1141135078174547968||

[clever sun]

At least it wasn't from the official company

[dense berry]

link to the hews tweet for posterity

its sfw

[clever sun]

Right Hews outright says "biggest bait"

And the messaging with it was "fixed Nessa"

That is why a lot of people took issue

WotC didn't set out to "fix Aragorn"

[dense berry]

well

[clever sun]

MEE even had to sign off on this depiction of Aragorn

[dense berry]

i dont think you can necessarily say that

[clever sun]

I think we can say that because WotC is a corporation

In the business of making money

they would gain nothing by hiring an artist to fix Aragorn

"fix"

[dense berry]

not necessarily true

we're here talking about it

this is free publicity

I dont even care about lotr

[clever sun]

Maybe you don't but I do

[dense berry]

this is the longest lotr discussion ive ever been in

[clever sun]

It's my favorite fantasy novels growing up

[sleek ferry]

Tbf, I think it’s more likely that wotc asked multiple artists to draw Aragorn

[clever sun]

I was in the trenches of SA forums discussing LotR as a kid

[sleek ferry]

And they made the business decision to pick black Aragorn. Wotc has shown it’s not afraid to show progressiveness in its characters

And that’s what a lot of people like and (as we can see) dislike about mtg

[clever sun]

Regardless of how the artist drew Aragorn

MEE had to sign off on the design

[sleek ferry]

Now what I would have an issue with

[clever sun]

Tolkien's estate is EXTREMELY protective of the image that LotR has

Amazon's The Rings of Power failed because they refused to let them adapt some material

[sleek ferry]

Oh wait that’s right

MEE had to sign off on it

So what are we even discussing

[dense berry]

tolkien never would have cared

[clever sun]

Yup he wouldn't have

[dense berry]

its pretty clear racial diversity and polyculturalism are a major part of Middle Earth

[clever sun]

Yup

[dense berry]

personally i think both artworks of black Aragorn are fucking sick

[clever sun]

They are really cool

[dense berry]

way better than average for modern mtg art imo

now if only the card was actually usable

why in the world do they keep releasing utterly unplayable selesnya legendaries

[sleek ferry]

It’s Selesnya

[clever sun]

It's

yeah

LOL

[sleek ferry]

Lol

They just got Calix for standard at least

My personally favorite Selesnya legendary of recent times is [[yasharn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/240/yasharn-implacable-earth

Yasharn, Implacable Earth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Boar
When Yasharn enters the battlefield, search your library for a basic Forest card and a basic Plains card, reveal those cards, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
Players can't pay life or sacrifice nonland permanents to cast spells or activate abilities.
In its hoofprints, barren dust becomes fertile ground.
4/4

[dense berry]

mine is [[sythis]]

[[sythis]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/214/sythis-harvests-hand

Sythis, Harvest's Hand <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — Nymph
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, you gain 1 life and draw a card.
"Through every verdant field, every bough that hangs heavy with fruit, Karametra shows her love."
1/2

[dense berry]

ive always loved enchantress

[clever sun]

Selesnya is a boring pair

[waxen timber]

My favorite is karametra. Indestructible and dodges plow to swordshares a lot of the time is awesome. I hate having your commander die a ton

[dense berry]

....

i will never not call it plow to swordshares from now on

i used to have a karametra deck

which then transitioned into a selvala deck

[mystic aspen]

[[Karametra]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “Karametra”, can you be more specific?

[mystic aspen]

[[Karametra, God of]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/218/karametra-god-of-harvests

Karametra, God of Harvests <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to green and white is less than seven, Karametra isn't a creature.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, you may search your library for a Forest or Plains card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
6/7

[mystic aspen]

Ah.

I'm definitely not someone who would play GW, not unless black is involved.
Since I pretty much play only graveyard decks.

[waxen timber]

White and green have been getting more and more grave stuff recently. [[Cosmic Rebirth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/28/cosmic-rebirth

Cosmic Rebirth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Choose target permanent card in your graveyard. If it has mana value 3 or less, you may put it onto the battlefield. If you don't put it onto the battlefield, put it into your hand.
You gain 3 life.
"When all the stories find their ends, a new one shall begin." —The Endsaga

[waxen timber]

[[Danitha, new benalia's hope]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/15/danitha-benalias-hope

Danitha, Benalia's Hope <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
First strike, vigilance, lifelink
When Danitha, Benalia's Hope enters the battlefield, you may put an Aura or Equipment card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield attached to Danitha.
4/4

[sleek ferry]

Cosmic Rebirth is weird, because that def seems like more of a golgari card

[waxen timber]

Oops meant [[Danitha, new benalua's light]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/29/danitha-new-benalias-light

Danitha, New Benalia's Light <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Vigilance, trample, lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast an Aura or Equipment spell from your graveyard.
Danitha had spent her whole life preparing to lead House Capashen, but she mourned that the opportunity had come so soon.
2/2

[dense berry]

[[sun titan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/210/sun-titan

Sun Titan <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Giant
Vigilance
Whenever Sun Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
A blazing sun that never sets.
6/6

[waxen timber]

For white, as long as it is small or an artifact or enchantment you can get it on the battlefield

And green lets you add anything back from grave to hand

A few more years, Selesnya will be an amazing graveyard deck

[granite badge]

I think it works flavor wise

[dense berry]

selesnya is already part of the graveyard wedge

[lusty trench]

So these new cards are kinda stinky

They did say it'd be a low power set tho

I think I like the 4 mana every opponent loses a life when you sac a token the most

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1113149478485102612/image.png?width=440&height=606

[hidden ermine]

https://imgur.com/DF5r0Zo

Surprised they went for a 4-colour commander for once

Green part is definitely the strongest feeling one here

Oh

It goes 1, 2, 3, 4

Hah

https://imgur.com/c8GTJan

This one is cute, its basically Hexproof but slightly worse for flavour

[sleek ferry]

looks like a re-animator deck for casual tables

[hidden ermine]

Dunno if reanimator really wants this over the other Sauron

[sleek ferry]

what was other sauron again

[hidden ermine]

Mill 5, amass orcs, then reanimates a creature

Its 8 mana instead of 6, but being a reanimation spell in your command zone matters

[sleek ferry]

yeah it does

I was thinking with this one, it wheels you every turn

so you get to your win con faster

[hidden ermine]

Could be funny in like

A self-reanimating deck

Stuff like bloodghast

https://i.redd.it/chesn4n6sz2b1.png

Hah, flash, I get it

[sleek ferry]

now this gandalf I can get behind

[hidden ermine]

Seems like a neat card

Though idk if I really get why he is a Panharmonicon

[sleek ferry]

pretty sure this + Oswald just wins on the spot?

[hidden ermine]

[[Oswald]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/28/oswald-fiddlebender

Oswald Fiddlebender <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2

[sleek ferry]

ah need an artifact too

think it has to be 2 mana artifact

oswald + gandalf + 2 mana artifact

[hidden ermine]

Whats the way to win then?

Im assuming you untap him somehow

But idk if white does that

[sleek ferry]

trying to remember the line, oswald is one of those cards that reads insane, but you need like a specific game state in order to win

[twilit canyon]

he tutors it

[hidden ermine]

What do you tutor to win in white?

[lusty trench]

Seems okay?

[hidden ermine]

Cute, but very expensive

[lusty trench]

6 mana is a bit much yeah

[hidden ermine]

Its an enchantment though

So you might be able to cheat it out

https://i.redd.it/www92gbkwz2b1.png

[sleek ferry]

yeah it's cute, but it not copying everything after the 2nd spell makes it kinda unplayable

[lusty trench]

Ward 3 feels good tho

[hidden ermine]

... why is Saruman white (colour, not appearance)

Feels like he should just be Dimir?

[sleek ferry]

saruman being white makes sense? It represents his "humanity" (I know wizards are not humans in the lotr world)

[hidden ermine]

Thats already part of it, but he doesnt really have "humanity" left at this point

[golden plover]

Lmao the 1/1 ring is already curled

[hidden ermine]

Like he doesnt really represent white ideals after he reaches this point in the story

Idk, maybe its just me, but I feel like Dimir would've made more sense flavour-wise

https://i.imgur.com/tsRo3Rv.jpeg

These should 100% have had Partner

[lusty trench]

This is funky

I like it

Haste makes this

[hidden ermine]

Merry and Pipin not having partner feels like such a flavour-fail

[lusty trench]

I think it's because it's in the third book where they both have their separate duties

I don't doubt there's a partner card with them in the outskirts of the shire in the food commander deck

[hidden ermine]

Oh no I get that

But from a gameplay perspective

[fallow citrus]

protection from.. card type?

huh

[sleek ferry]

Merry and Pippin should have been partners yeah, also just look at their abilities

[hidden ermine]

And from the perspective of them being such close friends

[lusty trench]

It's not new but very rare yeah

[sleek ferry]

they literally compliment each other

[hidden ermine]

They just feel like a natural fit

https://i.redd.it/z0z739zesz2b1.png

Smh huge flavour fail

Should've had "dies if blocked by or blocking Thalia" smh

[sleek ferry]

alright this card is the worst one we've seen so far

[dense berry]

this doesnt seem mythic quality but it does look pretty cracked in limited

[lusty trench]

Honestly think the regular wraiths are better

[hidden ermine]

https://i.redd.it/enzs3cpaf13b1.png

... ok I hate this card, this is the biggest flavour-fail by far

And I just cant figure out a way to try and justify it

Why the fuck does a card about Tom Bombadil tempt you????

[lusty trench]

Me when I pay 2 for an effect that has historically cost 1

[twilit canyon]

colorless stuff

oswald is a stax deck that tutors untappers and infinite mana/etb generators

[hidden ermine]

Ah, I see

But yeah like, the books make it very clear that the ring has absolutely 0 effect on Bombadil

He isnt tempted by it in any way

Why does the card tempt you

[lusty trench]

Because you get jealous of bombadil obviously and want the ring to improve your singing voice

[dense berry]

why doesnt the one ring tempt you

isnt it like

the ring

that tempts you

im not super familiar with lotr sorry

or is the one ring not the ring

[hidden ermine]

It does tempt almost everyone

But Tom Bombadil is ... a bit of a unique situation

[lusty trench]

Bombadil is simply too much of a chad

[hidden ermine]

So we never really get an explanation as to who or what Tom Bombadil is

But he seems to be just ... extremely old and powerful, but fairly unconcerned with the happenings in middle-earth

To him the ring is little more than a useless trinket

It has no power over him, but as a result he also isnt a good safekeep for it, because he would probably just forget about it

[lusty trench]

I think bombadil at most would try on the ring to see if it goes well with his outfit

And that's even a stretch

[hidden ermine]

Oh he does try on the ring in the books

It just doesnt do anything

He remains visible, does some sleight of hand, and then gives back the ring to Frodo

Then when Frodo tries it on, unconvinced that its still the real ring, it works, but Bombadil can still see him

So yeah, the ring tempting you shouldnt have been on the card

Ah, I see

They gave Eowyn an ability that specifically deals with the witch king through indestructible

https://i.redd.it/ye6sydy4uz2b1.png

[twilit canyon]

minas tirith is fucking nuts

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1113160228431736942/lkvseswpi13b1.png?width=443&height=597

yeah i was about to say this seems fantastic

[golden plover]

Oh neat so if you Amass it adds the type

So you can have a zombie and orc army

[hidden ermine]

Ye

Still think army sucks as a mechanic

But thats at least neat

[rigid scarab]

I can already hear the cries against Atragorn for being "4 color goodstuff"

[golden plover]

I assume that works backwards too for zombies now

[hidden ermine]

I mean its not inaccurate

[golden plover]

If you make an orc first, and then amass a zombie, it'd add that?

[hidden ermine]

The card is genuinely just kinda 4 colour goodstuff

But eh

I dont really mind?

[golden plover]

This is the most custom card ass shit

[hidden ermine]

Most of my nitpicks so far, besides not liking the ring tempts you mechanic, is flavour nitpicks

The only one of those I find egregious is the Bombadil card

But theres a lot of flavour in this set I find very enjoyable

[sleek ferry]

Am I missing something, or surely this can be used to kill somebody outright

[hidden ermine]

If you got enough wheels

Yeah, you can

[fallow citrus]

wonder how many of these humans can be used to make 5c humans good again

[sleek ferry]

huh

Gimli cares about your units dying

but it's in gruul

that's, interesting?

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1113164118153768960/image-24.png?width=338&height=481

yo they finally made an abzan lifegain commander

[sleek ferry]

111 or more life lol

actually not hard to do

but good flavor

and also uh

gamewinning af?

[twilit canyon]

they are already putting up a bit of results

[dense berry]

yo wait this is insane

[sudden lava]

oh reveals happening?

[golden plover]

Oh that's where all the set value is

The box toppers

[fallow citrus]

thought it was just mono white humans that put up the results

[sudden lava]

oh a LOT of reveals happening

[golden plover]

Lmao imagine the guy beside you getting a curio or ancient tomb and you get a bokuja bog

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Legolas-Master-Archer.jpg

Legolas

[copper pecan]

he will never be balin-

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Gollum-Scheming-Guide.png

oh the leaked card was real this whole time

[dense berry]

so wait this guy doesnt tempt you with the ring

this this the my precious guy right

was it like opposite day for wotc when they designed this set

[rigid scarab]

What does this do that Aetherflux doesn't?

[dense berry]

aetherflux reservoir?

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bill-the-Pony-400x559.jpg

this is cute

we dont really have a lot of commanders that are just horses

[fallow citrus]

waiting for someone to proxy this using screenshots from the gollum game

also was thinking about the +1 saga in scales

[granite badge]

huh?

[fallow citrus]

you only have 3 different types unfortunately so it probably isn't worth it

[granite badge]

Aetherflux's biggest strength is it gets exponetial with itself no?

[fallow citrus]

construct insect and beast

[granite badge]

its not like you have to cast 50 things to laser beam someone

[rigid scarab]

I just don't really see Bilbo being "insane"

[dense berry]

okay it looks like there is no other card with aetherflux in its name so i assume thats what you mean

which is really strange

it would be easier to list what they do that is the same

which is be a permanent and being able to deal damage to targets

[rigid scarab]

OH FUCK

I WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE ASS WRONG CARD

DONT LOOK AT ME

[sleek ferry]

Yo defective

You’re bugging

Bilbo is pretty insane

Might be the first legit life gain deck in cedh (no I don’t count heliod)

[dense berry]

okay idk much anything about lotr so im gonna guess what some of these characters are like based on the flavor of their effects

[dense berry]

this guy is clearly turning 111

and he ages multiple years at a time

so a young man who is old?

[sleek ferry]

Nah just an old guy that is old

Also Frodo’s uncle

[golden plover]

I don't see Bilbo being worth it for cedh?

He's way too telegraphed and you can win way before hitting 111 life

You've gotta build both lifegain and your wincons

Notably, you can just play Aetherflux in stuff like K'rrk way faster

Hell, you're better off winning via [[Felidar Sovereign]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/26/felidar-sovereign

Felidar Sovereign <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Beast
Vigilance, lifelink
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have 40 or more life, you win the game.
It surveys the withering landscape, waiting for a victory only it can see.
4/6

[dense berry]

the archer class is made up of archers

When you target him he gets bigger. Perhaps he has a big character growth arc where after comrades talk to him a lot he becomes a better person. The second effect inplies hes a fan of ganging up, not an honorable fighter, efficient killer.

[twilit canyon]

bilbo isnt a cedh commander

[dense berry]

it has two foods on its back in the art so that makes sense. it can eat its food and then it becomes an enraged killing machine that can literally kill a zendikari baloth

[modern minnow]

yo john abzan lifegain is real

[dense berry]

No Mercy on a stick probably a pretty bad dude huh. Seems the ring being tempting is pretty random so idk if he has anything to do with the ring. Seems he can do the underworld lich thing so i suppose hes either a necromancer or hes some kind of wild mongrel

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/The-Balrog-Flame-of-Udun-400x559.jpg

wow, this is awful

[dense berry]

should be uncommon

[glad peak]

Finally a card not specifically designed for commander but is a major named character

“Saruman of many colors” he’s 3 colors

[twilit canyon]

that is... many colors i guess

[glad peak]

I guess Saruman of some colors didn’t really have a ring to it

[hidden ermine]

I mean its meant to be literal

His cloak basically has the rainbow glitter effect at that point

Still think he should've been dimir tho

[golden plover]

That's fucking miserable holy shit

Should have been like 3-4 CMC

[twilit canyon]

4 mana yea

otherwise a 3 mana 7/7 trample with no real downside outside of commander?

also cant push his p/t much more

[golden plover]

I mean, there's enough legendaries it'll miss decently

But yeah, 4 CMC is probably ideal

[twilit canyon]

yargle and multani already causing some issues in modern

and if they were more mana efficient with a keyword?

gg

[sleek ferry]

Is yargle and mutani doing well? Send a list

That sounds epic

[twilit canyon]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5642202#paper

its the only off-color card in the deck

sure it has fable

but if it could run a 4 mana massive balrog with a small downside, it would

[sleek ferry]

Oh this is a pretty budget list too

I might look into this for real life play

[lusty trench]

This card goes hard wtf

[hidden ermine]

https://i.redd.it/gfyj073xq13b1.png

How many one rings is that now?

[lusty trench]

No this is Bilbo's ring

Completely different

[twilit canyon]

halfling tribal maybe real in modern?

thats not bad to tutor off sfm

[fallow citrus]

all we need now is just a halfling that gives exalted

[sudden lava]

they really pushing food tribal

[lusty trench]

My partner is loving it they've been wanting a food deck forever

They're pissed second breakfast is bad though

[dense berry]

how many rings are they gonna print that dont tempt you

[granite badge]

ping for 2 every time you make a treasure stonks

[lusty trench]

It's very nice yeah

[clever sun]

Six mana Sauron is NUTS WHAT

[hidden ermine]

Is he?

[clever sun]

He needs to be countered for 90% of control decks

[sleek ferry]

That’s the wheel one right?

[lusty trench]

That ward condition is err

[clever sun]

If he gets into play he is never dying

Yeah and when the ring tempts, discard your hand and draw four

The ward condition is fucked

[sleek ferry]

I said that

He sounded nuts

Getting to just load up your grave

Is nice

[clever sun]

Also punishes opponents from casting spells

Make a 1/1 then +1/+1 to that 1/1 every spell they cast

[hidden ermine]

My reasoning was that I dont know if there are enough good ways to be tempted for him to go off, and there are plenty of ways to bypass basically hexproof

[clever sun]

He tempts himself

The only way to bypass the Hexproof is niche can't be countered effects

Or paying the cost

[hidden ermine]

He can tempt himself, but how often does a vanilla connect

[clever sun]

Which is an insanely high cosr for a lot of decks

[hidden ermine]

Also ... dont boardwipes still work?

[clever sun]

They do but he is in Grixis

Opponent needs to immediately answer with one or you risk counter magic

And he fuels the vanilla's power

[sleek ferry]

That is a good point, he is in pretty insane colors

I didn’t even think of that

[clever sun]

Fable and Crucias in Historic can also tutor for him and ramp to him

[hidden ermine]

I mean at 6 mana Id be shocked if opponents didnt have a wipe

Or an edict I guess

... do edicts still see play in EDH

[clever sun]

Think about it in control mirrors

[hidden ermine]

Or are we talking Legacy

[clever sun]

Editcts do not work

Opponent casts an edict

He makes an army

[hidden ermine]

... ah right

[sleek ferry]

Oh wtf

[hidden ermine]

Well Sheoldreds works

[sleek ferry]

That’s pretty crazy

[clever sun]

Sheoldred's Edict is the only one that can work

[hidden ermine]

And thats the best one isnt it?

[clever sun]

Yes but it does also face the issue that edicts against control faces

You might need to use it early

Or it gets countered

Grixis is the key here

You get hand hate and counter magic to protect him

And you only need very few spells to worry about

Exactly Sheoldred's Edict and Supreme Verdict

Only Verdict answers him clean

[lusty trench]

Not only that but if by some miracle the edict goes through, if he's amassed at all

[clever sun]

And you can't justify leaving verdict in as a four mana removal spell

Ward also protects him from a myriad other effects in general

Like Wandering Emperor or Calim in Historic

[lusty trench]

Apologies I forgot sheoldred edict is non token

[hidden ermine]

Sheoldreds lets you go non-token

Wait is this getting into historic?

[clever sun]

This is actually not a real worry

Read him

If your opponent casts a spell, you make an army

So the edict actually doesn't go through

[sleek ferry]

Can’t emperor -2 sacrifice itself? Or am I thinking of the wrong ward ability

Or is it only creatures

[clever sun]

Ward stops her

It is only creatures or artifacts

Legendary

[sleek ferry]

Oh fuck

[clever sun]

To be precise

Can't Teferi tuck him or bounce with T3f

[sleek ferry]

They purposely bypassed emperor

[clever sun]

He can't be Solitude or Fury

[sleek ferry]

That’s crazy

[clever sun]

I would not be super surprised if some Modern Grixis deck can run him too

[clever sun]

Yep and Alchemy

[sleek ferry]

Btw first impressions of standard ladder post banlist; a lot of control on the ladder rn

[twilit canyon]

i didnt even think about sauron

at least hes 6 mana

oh wait

historic has crucias and fable of the mirror breaker to ramp to him

wait is grixis midrange fucked in historic now

[sleek ferry]

So, so far Sauron is the best modern/historic card revealed?

[twilit canyon]

idt its the best

but its an incredibly powerful card for historic at the very least

alchemy will love him they are about to actually rotate

[sleek ferry]

What’s the best so far, the land?

[twilit canyon]

i think the lands look strong for sure

[clever sun]

I don't care about the other cards right now

[hidden ermine]

... huh

I thought they were modern-only

[clever sun]

I am all in on Sauron

[hidden ermine]

Thats wild

[sleek ferry]

Alchemy will probably end up nerfing fable though no?

[lusty trench]

What's y'all's thoughts on this?

[twilit canyon]

no need

it rotates

[twilit canyon]

very strong

remand was powercrept in modern but thats bc blue has many more effects like this

[sleek ferry]

Alchemy’s rotation cycle didn’t get extended also?

[twilit canyon]

white now getting it is god for em

[sleek ferry]

Double wow

[twilit canyon]

nope

alchemy will rotate this fall with throne of eldraine

err

wilds of eldraine

same difference

[sleek ferry]

Oh but you guys still have to deal with fable + Lotr for 3 month-ish

[twilit canyon]

yup

would u be surprised to learn that fable isnt nearly as problematic in alchemy

[sleek ferry]

Nope

[twilit canyon]

alchemy mono-red is insanely fucked lol

[sleek ferry]

It’s a higher powered format so

[clever sun]

They nerfed Mono-Red this banlist too though

[twilit canyon]

yea

[[traumatic prank]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ysnc/12/traumatic-prank

Traumatic Prank <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It perpetually gains haste, "This creature can't block," and "At the beginning of your upkeep, this creature deals 1 damage to you."

[twilit canyon]

is now 4 mana

and kumano creature no longer has haste

this was after they buffed a bunch of stuff to gain more life

[[a-circuit mender]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/A-242/a-circuit-mender

A-Circuit Mender <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Insect
When Circuit Mender enters the battlefield, you gain 3 life.
When Circuit Mender leaves the battlefield, draw a card.
2/3

[twilit canyon]

among other cards

they buffed gaining life and all

didnt matter

alchemy red was dominating

phyrexian harvester gave them insane long-game vs control and midrange

still does

its 1 of the strongest red decks of all time ngl

[clever sun]

Prank is so game ending

I think you still run it

[twilit canyon]

yea u def do

[sleek ferry]

Oh traumatic prank could have been a paper card, but ig the whole point of perpetually effects is to add mechanics without having to create a whole new keyword(s) right?

[twilit canyon]

even at 4 mana

yep

means u dont have to track it in paper

and have ppl forget or whatnot

[sleek ferry]

Yeah that’s cool. It def could have been a paper card though

Would have made standard interesting

[twilit canyon]

[[phyrexian harvester]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/13/phyrexian-harvester

Phyrexian Harvester <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Menace
Whenever Phyrexian Harvester is dealt damage, seek that many nonland cards. At the beginning of your next end step, discard those cards.
5/5

[twilit canyon]

this is the big one for alchemy red tho

its a kill on sight or it will just bury u

asking midrange/control to curve removal from turns 1 through 5

thats too much

[sleek ferry]

Can’t you just not block it or do you have ways to trigger it yourself ?

[twilit canyon]

u can just not block it yea

and take 5

vs red

with invasion of tarkir, lightning strikes and such

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I suppose taking 5 from mono red is very different to taking 5 from mono black

[clever sun]

Yeah Alchemy Red is super strong

I still think Grixis is a slightly better deck but Mono-Red in Alchemy keeps a lot of decks way more honest

[sleek ferry]

So basically, if you don’t stabilize yourself on 4, you’re dead on 5 90% of the time

[twilit canyon]

u might not even get a chance to stablize

but yea

and post-board

even if u stablize on 4

they drop harvester

wyd

[hidden ermine]

Rare white counterspell

[sleek ferry]

Becomes a got to have it situation

[twilit canyon]

u just spent all your other removal on raijus squee swiftspears etc etc

[sleek ferry]

Which you just will lose more often than not

[twilit canyon]

yup

again cant even block profitably

cus if u do, they draw 5+

[sleek ferry]

Yeah the menace is a real ass kicker

[twilit canyon]

and they are 5+ nonlands guaranteed

[clever sun]

Right it seeks non-land cards

[twilit canyon]

guarantee drawing playable spells that continue to do damage or board presence

[sudden lava]

wait, where is the Smaug token card?

do we not have it yet?

[copper pecan]

oh they nerfed kumano faces kakazan

[[kumano faces kakazan]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “kumano faces kakazan”

[copper pecan]

[[kumano faces kakkazan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/152/kumano-faces-kakkazan-etching-of-kumano

Kumano Faces Kakkazan <:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Kumano Faces Kakkazan deals 1 damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control.
II — When you cast your next creature spell this turn, that creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Etching of Kumano
Enchantment Creature — Human Shaman
Haste
If a creature dealt damage this turn by a source you controlled would die, exile it instead.
Many kami came to demand a secret he did not know, and every one of them fell.
2/2

[copper pecan]

back side doesn't have haste anymore in alchemy and historic

[twilit canyon]

probably gets unnerfed when it rotates this fall like past nerfed cards but yea

warranted

traumatic prank nerf tho? probs still too good

[copper pecan]

is traumatic prank the best card with that kind of effect that they've ever printed?

usually that kind of card is pretty bad but prank has been seeing plenty of play

[twilit canyon]

yea absolutely

claim the firstborn is limited in what it grabs

but prank is just fucked

loses the ability to block, hurts u for having it on field, and then top it all off, u still got bopped for the damage prior

[hidden ermine]

Wait, when did they make an alchemy update

And yeah claim the firstborn is the only act of treaosn effect to ever have seen play before prank, afaik

... I wonder why we never got a split card with an act of treason effect

[twilit canyon]

they made an alchemy update with the banlist today

[hidden ermine]

Any list to it, or is it just Kumano

[twilit canyon]

kumano and traumatic prank

[hidden ermine]

I see

Also wait, I was wrong, we did have a split card with an AoT effect

[[Catch//Release]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/125/catch-release

Catch <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Gain control of target permanent until end of turn. Untap it. It gains haste until end of turn.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)

Release
Sorcery
Each player sacrifices an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, a land, and a planeswalker.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)

[hidden ermine]

It was just bad

[sleek ferry]

Alright this was fun

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon @clever sun so I’m working on a Naya list currently, nothing too crazy, running invasion of gobakhans, invasion of zendikars with topiary stompers for ramp and Rampaging Raptor for instant payoff threw in some brutal cathar’s for spot removal, but I’m not sure how to round out the list. Idk if wedding announcement feels good here or not

[twilit canyon]

wedding in side

[sleek ferry]

For the control matchup?

Also, should I be looking at ascendant packleader + gala greeters for early pressure or go a bit more grindy and look at skrelv?

God looking at it, I have a ton of options

[dense berry]

pulled this from my cedh tournament prizes

[clever sun]

My suggestion is to not add Green to any standard deck

[atomic harness]

You said it caster

[rigid scarab]

You're one step closer to getting my name right

The first time in my life I get to play with 4 Thoughtseize 4 Duress

JFC who keeps up with Pioneer

[glad peak]

I’m going to Phoenix Arizona for a bit and the only shops around play… is commander or limited

Limited I don’t mind, just might get expensive

Oh right they also play pioneer but only due to the rcq, their other events are all standard, commander, or draft and I’m a modern gamer

Oh and one shop that has mad lads playing vintage???

[broken fjord]

Only local near me only runs commander and standard. Every other format died there

[glad peak]

Damn, unfortunate

[atomic harness]

him

[modern minnow]

am i missing something or is this card just horrible

[granite badge]

wow this is pretty bad

doesn't even exile everything so its not particularly good even as a raw GY hate piece

[atomic harness]

[lusty trench]

We did it fellas

We broke scurry oak

[rigid scarab]

Never seen before

[golden plover]

The first and only scurry oak combo

[golden plover]

I was looking for "Lord of Ring"

[fallow citrus]

it's such a shame they made all the cards prior

what I would give for some shitty 3d render of gollum in an instant called "Offer Bread" or something

[subtle sierra]

so what do we expect to be the best decks in standard now, or is it way too early to tell?

i saw some dragon deck being talked about

[fallow citrus]

jeskai dragons seems to be the hype right now

well I guess it'd be.. dragon

[subtle sierra]

zurgo and ojutai?

[fallow citrus]

yeah

only creatures in the list

[subtle sierra]

i wondered if they ran more

so basically you run this and just good jeskai cards?

[fallow citrus]

the idea is just play midrange with good jeskai cards

slap gobakhan down

then zurgo+oj into gobakhan to flip

[subtle sierra]

[[invasion of gobakhan]] is the exile from hand right?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/22/invasion-of-gobakhan-lightshield-array

Invasion of Gobakhan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Gobakhan enters the battlefield, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast this way costs more to cast.
Defense: 3

Lightshield Array
Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature that attacked this turn.
Sacrifice Lightshield Array: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
The weight of Phyrexia crashed down upon Gobakhan, but the will of its people endured.

[subtle sierra]

yeah

[fallow citrus]

so you get to protect the dragon and keep gaining advantage from swinging

[subtle sierra]

oh do you not bounce zurgo after you have gobakhan transformed?

[fallow citrus]

or ig you can bounce them if you want to be extra safe

you can

[subtle sierra]

god but 3 color decks cut into wildcards hard

especially since we have triomes atm

[fallow citrus]

yems

[subtle sierra]

rotation is only next year, right?

[fallow citrus]

main reason I never ended up playing actual standard

I believe so

[sleek ferry]

Mono white feels better positioned also

They were already a solid meta choice

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840067026172903434/1113451326219767828/firesofmountdoom.jpg

[sleek ferry]

Wait, that’s nice

[twilit canyon]

its almost good enough

[lusty trench]

If it were two mana or the active cheaper I could see it

[dense berry]

as pushed as it needs to be

nice

[fallow citrus]

Oh nice

[lusty trench]

Being able to combat trick equipment

Is pretty neat

[sleek ferry]

Does hammer time play this?

[twilit canyon]

no

maybe as a 1 of in the side

but u dont really struggle getting equipment

if u struggle, its entirely on them removing your creatures to equip onto

[sleek ferry]

What does the 1 of in the side accomplish then?

[twilit canyon]

but they get exiled more often than not

for the rare time u wanna play this vs scam

[sleek ferry]

Ah

[hidden ermine]

https://i.redd.it/opid80rz453b1.jpg

[lusty trench]

Store championship cards

Winner top 8 and participant respectively iirc

Kaladesh art just does not miss

[sudden lava]

the 4color Aragorn is a lot better now that I think about it

cuz it would go off multi color spells

[trail anvil]

what was this sleeve from again?

[lusty trench]

Looks like it's junji ito

It's his doomsday

[trail anvil]

oh right from the secret lair

[twilit canyon]

councils is nutty

[lusty trench]

Literally two mana draw a card, if you're doing literally anything in blue draw another

[waxen timber]

I wonder if councils will be legacy playable. They have been really looking for a replacement for expressive interation

[trail anvil]

looks like really good value

[trail anvil]

this thing looks real fuckin nice too with the right setup

[twilit canyon]

not sure about legacy but at least historic with faithless looting and drc will absolutely love the shit out of it

[trail anvil]

man I can't believe I didn't try invasion of gobakhan monowhite earlier

this shit gets out of hand so quick, and the backside is nice not just for growing your threats but also for protecting vs so much spot removal that's still showing up in the format

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1113607220534464584/grondthegatebreaker.png?width=331&height=462

GROND

[lusty trench]

Tfw it doesn't have when attacking destroy target gate

[golden plover]

I like that so far, all the cards that seem really strong have generic names

Means they're easier to reprint in a few sets if they get too pricey

[copper pecan]

i think that's probably intentional

[golden plover]

Yeah definitely

[hidden ermine]

Eh, theyre still using copyrighted names mostly

[lusty trench]

The biggest one they'll struggle with is either mount Doom or 6 mana saulron

[golden plover]

Minas Trinith or Mt Doom are hard to reprint

But all the others aren't

Hammer time toy?

[twilit canyon]

no

well maybe

most likely not

[golden plover]

Maybe a side card?

[twilit canyon]

as a 1 of maybe

already discussed this earlier

[inland folio]

@sleek ferry so am i just softlocked here

i can do literally nothing else

[sleek ferry]

@twilit canyon he should have unlocked the ladder post color challenge no?

[twilit canyon]

click the home button

new things should be unlocked

if not, in the settings theres a way to skip the tutorials

granted: tutorials gives u free decks and includes some free rare lands that are good to get ahold of

[inland folio]

im here rn

im done with starter duel and color chall

[twilit canyon]

aight u can just play now iirc

[inland folio]

i can literally only play ranked

and nothing else

[twilit canyon]

oh the playblade is confusing as fuck i get it

clicking play

find match

3 menus pop up

ranked | play | brawl

[sleek ferry]

Screenshot your screen after pressing play yuni

[subtle sierra]

You can now get those skipping the tutorial

[twilit canyon]

oh sick

[subtle sierra]

You still get the wildcards from color challenge iirc

[inland folio]

its just bot match and ranked

[subtle sierra]

Which include rare ones

I haven't checked

[sleek ferry]

Hmm did they change the requirements before unlocking brawl/draft?

That looks weird

[subtle sierra]

Do the jump in btw, it randomly has good rares if you're lucky

[twilit canyon]

post a screenshot

[subtle sierra]

Iirc it had restoration of eiganjo somewhere

[inland folio]

of what

[twilit canyon]

of the screen u see

[inland folio]

the what

[subtle sierra]

Click on events

[inland folio]

this is what i see

[subtle sierra]

You have 5 jump in tokens

[sleek ferry]

Their should be a switch that you can toggle on and off to see all game modes yuni

[subtle sierra]

So you can join 5 times for free

[subtle sierra]

It's in settings -> accounts

[inland folio]

i dont lose out on anything if i click this right

[subtle sierra]

Yeah

Btw if you haven't already

Google mtga codes

You get like 20 or so free packs

[inland folio]

solar

treat me like someone

whos never played the game before

bc i havent

[subtle sierra]

It literally has the tutorial on the page

[inland folio]

im a dum dum

[subtle sierra]

And is super self explanatory

https://draftsim.com/mtg-arena-codes/

[inland folio]

oh crazy

btw

what is the rarity system

like is having 2 mythic rare wildcards good or?

what is a mythic rare

[subtle sierra]

Mythic rare uncommon common, you convert wildcards to cards of same rarity

Mtg basically only has 4 rarities

Mythics are good, but you mostly want rares

[inland folio]

how many do i need for a deck

[subtle sierra]

There are plenty of decks that use no or little to none mythics

[inland folio]

i have 5

[subtle sierra]

It depends on the deck

[inland folio]

i want to play somw white green blue thing

[subtle sierra]

It's like asking "how many supers i need in my deck" lol

[inland folio]

or something in that range

if that narrows it down

[subtle sierra]

I just net deck personally, or ask in this chat

[inland folio]

yeah i tried to netdeck

does mtg not have a ygoprodeck

[subtle sierra]

(I also have a bad tendency of making new accounts to test stuff)

Mtg has multiple, wdym

[inland folio]

i am lost bro

i cannot find shit

[subtle sierra]

Just google

[twilit canyon]

mtgazone

mtggoldfish

untapped.gg

[subtle sierra]

It's not that hard tbh

[twilit canyon]

mtgtop8

[subtle sierra]

Mtgtop8

Jinx

[twilit canyon]

lol

[inland folio]

maybe im using google rwrong then

cause i did not see shit

[subtle sierra]

I just type mtga decks in google and get like 5 different pages

[inland folio]

ic ic

whats the best format for me

[trail anvil]

depends on what you want to do

standard is easiest to get into probably, brawl is fun if you wanna build around a single legendary creature/planeswalker

I'd recommend starting off with standard then branching out if you figure out you want to try something else after

[inland folio]

also whats this stuff thats called like "abzan"

[subtle sierra]

Imo just pick up the deck mtga gives you of the colors you like, and play standard for a bit

[inland folio]

bc ik mtg doesnt have archtypes

[subtle sierra]

Azban is a color combination

Idr which

[inland folio]

oh are the starter decks like

not ass

bc they feel ass

[subtle sierra]

They're serviceable

[inland folio]

feels too slow

[twilit canyon]

been refining historic humans

[trail anvil]

abzan is black, white and green

[twilit canyon]

coppercoat is actually goat

im convinced this card is ballin

[trail anvil]

coppercoat is like one of the few amazing cards from mom aftermath

[twilit canyon]

no one truly uses the 4c names btw

so dw about memorizing those

they dont actually matter a ton

[trail anvil]

yeah just say non-(color)

[subtle sierra]

I mean you won't see shit like invoke despair and fable in rhe starters, but they're perfectly viable as a start

[inland folio]

which standard do i search by

im seeing like 5

[trail anvil]

(you won't see them at all since they're both banned)

[inland folio]

standard

standard 2021

etc

[subtle sierra]

You get what i meant komi

[twilit canyon]

what year is it

just wondering

[subtle sierra]

Give me back my despair

I miss blood on the snow now

[twilit canyon]

black has no good board wipes rn

its all in white

[inland folio]

2023

so does it not matter which one i search by

[twilit canyon]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper

[subtle sierra]

Do note that we had a list like, 2 days ago

[sleek ferry]

Yeah use mtggoldfish

[twilit canyon]

https://mtgazone.com/standard/

[inland folio]

perfect

[subtle sierra]

I really recommend just playing the starter decks for a week or so before committing wildcards

[inland folio]

everyone is as clueless as i am

[twilit canyon]

not true

[sleek ferry]

Well kinda not really

[subtle sierra]

The lists are small in mtg

[twilit canyon]

i have been ahead of the curve for a while

[inland folio]

let me cope vro

[sleek ferry]

Jeskai, mono white are still good

[twilit canyon]

also yes we dont get big banlists

[subtle sierra]

Standard only has 4 banned cards

[sleek ferry]

Toxic still feels bad to vs

[subtle sierra]

That's it

[twilit canyon]

3 cards banned in this last list

oh right also

there is only 2 status for a card

[inland folio]

man

[twilit canyon]

banned, or unbanned

[inland folio]

im going by deck search

and like

wtf is bolos

[twilit canyon]

boros

[inland folio]

i though there wa control midrange

and combo

[twilit canyon]

refer to komi's chart

[inland folio]

nah its like combined with smthn else

[sleek ferry]

Boros is white/red

[twilit canyon]

aggro, control, midrange, combo, tempo are the 5 archetypes in mtg

5 major ones at least

[subtle sierra]

Its usually color + archetype

[twilit canyon]

cus there are more

yep

[subtle sierra]

As misty mentioned

[inland folio]

what does this mean

[twilit canyon]

oh

[[golos tireless pilgrim]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/226/golos-tireless-pilgrim

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Scout
When Golos, Tireless Pilgrim enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
: Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play them this turn without paying their mana costs.
3/5

[inland folio]

oh its a card

[subtle sierra]

Sometimes you get special stuff like jeskai dragon(s)

[twilit canyon]

the deck is entirely based on him

but hes not standard legal

[subtle sierra]

Yeah sometimes you get decks around a card

[sleek ferry]

Is golos brawl legal?

[twilit canyon]

jeskai dragons is a bit misleading bc it is also based entirely around 1 card

[subtle sierra]

Say sultai ultimatum

[twilit canyon]

should be jeskai ojutai

[inland folio]

was he one of the 3 bans or smthn

[twilit canyon]

no

golos hasnt been in standard for years

[inland folio]

bc the lists looked hype

[twilit canyon]

he just roated

*rotated

like

back in 2021

why are u looking at 2021 lists

[subtle sierra]

They sometimes play the red and white kamigawa dragons, no?

[inland folio]

i just clicked the first one

[subtle sierra]

I've seen lists with those but they seemed sussy

[sleek ferry]

Is there a reason why jeskai drags doesn’t consider dragon egg at all?

[twilit canyon]

cus its mid

if it was like titi

maybe

but its not

it requires fat spells

or too many spells

[rigid scarab]

Did yuni open the code packs yet

[twilit canyon]

those lists are definitely mid

[inland folio]

n

[twilit canyon]

ao is not a bad card

[subtle sierra]

Mentioned it already

[rigid scarab]

Then like

[twilit canyon]

its just not amazing in a control shell

[inland folio]

i learned those existed it likr

[rigid scarab]

Open them and stuff

[inland folio]

20 mins ago

[twilit canyon]

atsushi is also just not a control card

so that just leaves u with a 5 mana 4/4 deal 4 draw 1

which tbf is fucking great as a control finisher

[rigid scarab]

Did anyone mention that MTGA doesn't have dismantling

[sleek ferry]

Usually from the tutorials/free packs, you should be able to build out a full deck iirc

[rigid scarab]

So when you craft a card make sure it counts

[inland folio]

no

[twilit canyon]

you can yes

[subtle sierra]

It just seemed mid cause it plays them for the dragon battle, but that is mid as well so

[twilit canyon]

crokeyz set the mtga mythic world record speed run on a f2p account

took him like 12 hours

completely new account

from bronze to mythic using mono red

[subtle sierra]

Yeah mono color decks are basically done day 1 in mtga

They give a bunch of shit early

[sleek ferry]

Makes sense. The climb isnt bad at all if you’re playing meta tbh

The climb is only bad if you play non meta garbage like me

[inland folio]

OH

you can earn the premium currency

thas crazy

[sleek ferry]

You can, just become good at draft

Also they have sales every so often of like

300-400 gems for 1000 coins

Or something like that

[inland folio]

idk if thats good bro

thats like tellling me i can trade in 4crungles for a bingle

[sleek ferry]

It is. Since you earn around 1250 coins a day off just playing the game

[inland folio]

idk the worth of either