its the same way that alchemy draft sets are done
#Magic the Gathering
sleek ferry
Here we go I found the new 4 fun deck to build
Grixis dragons, catch me in like 4 weeks when I have enough wildcards
glad peak
8 packs of aftermath 
trail anvil
how does the format feel? @twilit canyon
twilit canyon
aftermath draft?
its literally the same as mom
sometimes u see a tazri
or an aftermath uncommon
very few change anything
ngl this is the biggest wash of a product magic has released in a while
im 100% upset that we missed out on alchemy mom for this
"hey so... i know you guys like playable cards and all but how about instead, you take nearly 54 unplayable cards over 20 playables and give us money?"
its probably better to draft mom too since less chance u upon a dud rare/mythic from aftermath
in my case, tazri was super useless
just a 3 mana 3/3
i used her ability once
dense berry
its truly a set for nobody
the players dont really get anything important (hypest thing for me is the new hurkyls recall), investors arent gonna get anything since most these cards arent worth getting and the limited gamers dont want it since its such a hodgepodge of random underwhelming shit
atomic harness
True loot
Unset (not that kind of un)
@clever sun do you know of any other artifact creatures that are staxy? Cards like [[ethersworn canonist]] and [[soulless jailer]]
atomic harness
Oo yeah have all three rn, guess it's just them?
clever sun
That are artifact creatures yeah
atomic harness
Yeah I need them to be artifact creatures for reasons
clever sun
Affinity
atomic harness
clever sun
If you want...
atomic harness
we played w this cedh stax guy who is a good friend and I noticed I do kinda well under all the stax meanwhile wombo was dying
clever sun
(type:artifact type:creature) commander:WUB (game:paper) legal:commander
Type this in to scryfall's search bar
And take a look for yourself
atomic harness
sure
I found this thalia ripoff but I think its too expensive cmc wise
lodestone whatever
atomic harness
oo?
clever sun
Restricted in Vintage
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[[lodestone golem]]
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Nonartifact spells cost 
more to cast.
"Somehow it warps the Æther. It brings a strange weight, a blockade in the flow of spellcraft." —Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
5/3
atomic harness
is it because of fast artifact mana like workshop
clever sun
Yes lol
That is the only real issue with it outside of Vintage
You can't turn one it consistently
atomic harness
hmm yeah 
I noticed most of the artifact stax pieces are non creatures, which arent bad. I guess I can also look into those
atomic harness
Oh yeah the guy had us on like
Rule of law, stony silence, and this archon eagle mfer
My constructs didnt really mind at least so it was a good time
[[trinisphere]]
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Artifact
As long as Trinisphere is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to cast costs three mana to cast. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost 
to cast costs 
to cast instead.)
sleek ferry
[[drannith magistrate]]
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clever sun
Archon of Emeria?
atomic harness
Yeah I think so
clever sun
It's the most cEDH viable Archon
atomic harness
everyone had non basic lands too so it was painful for them
clever sun
[[Archon of Valor's Reach]] maybe?
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clever sun
[[Archon of Emeria]]
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sleek ferry
My favorite stax piece in Selesnya is the boar
atomic harness
Uhh he was on emeria yeah, and all the other rule of law type stuff like the blue laboratory
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[[arcane laboratory]]
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atomic harness
Ahh gotcha
sleek ferry
Did you pick up an opposition agent since you’re on black Ren?
atomic harness
Not yet, been meaning to find one
funnily enough they also have agent and aven mindcensor
clever sun
Aven is proto-agent
sleek ferry
Both are good enough to see play
atomic harness
There was also one dude on shared ride as an mtg card
sleek ferry
Especially if you’re just looking to lean on stax
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whenever someone searches draw and gain life
sleek ferry
Uh
clever sun
Archivist of Oghma
atomic harness
Aye
clever sun
Two years old Iirc
sleek ferry
[[archivist of oghma]]
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sleek ferry
Oh it’s from cl2
atomic harness
Especially if you’re just looking to lean on stax
was looking for artifact (creature) ones since they synergize the most
Think im mostly set with ethersworn esper sentinel and soulless jailer though
But non creature artis might be worth it too since they pump karnstructs
clever sun
Same deal
atomic harness
Trini 
clever sun
If you wanna lean on stax you can either do mono-blue or Azorius
Esper Stax often leans on hatebears
atomic harness
Yeah I wanna keep my commander since funni karnstruct punch with stax is a pretty good time
gonna slowly transition into stax
clever sun
The commander will need to change for cEDH
atomic harness
yeah 
Idt im ready for cedh so will be a while
oh caster spellskite hard carried the other day
clever sun
atomic harness
We were playing vs this voltron dude and half his pumps were non functional 
I also let my friend die to him giant growthing, I couldve saved him but we were on 8 poison counters, so let him die so I can 1v2 wilson and esix
did not redirect it to spellskite 
clever sun
I remember when Spellskite was the tech for Death's Shadow and Infect in Modern
atomic harness
it pumps deaths shadow 
also uhh is git probe good in edh? I normally dont see it in lists, maybe because its only a singleton
I'm on it though, but not sure if I should just run smth else
clever sun
Git Probe is one of the best cards ever
atomic harness
clever sun
It is, thus, one of the best cards in EDH too
Completely free card that cantrips and gets to look at an opponent's hand
atomic harness
Yeah the hand knowledge has been good, I usually look at the scariest guy's hand
atomic harness
ngl I'm glad that the nph cards I remember as a kiddo are still very nice.
the carries 
hidden ermine
One of the sets that aged super well
clever sun
Git Probe, Dismember, Mental Misstep, Gut Shot, Noxious Revival, Mutagenic Growth
Some absurd bangers there
atomic harness
Birthing pod 
hidden ermine
Pretty sure it also has the chancellor of the annex cycle
clever sun
Birthing Pod is weaker for sure but still a powerful card
Chancellor cycle yep
They aren't as relevant anymore though
atomic harness
Phy metamorph is nice too
clever sun
True
hidden ermine
Really?
clever sun
[[Apostle's Blessing]] is nice when it comes up
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Instant
(
can be paid with either 
or 2 life.)
Target artifact or creature you control gains protection from artifacts or from the color of your choice until end of turn.
hidden ermine
Does reanimator not run Annex anymore at all?
atomic harness
Oh wow obliterator was first printed here
Yeah I remember chancellor for this white shoal
was nice
clever sun
Yup
hidden ermine
Wild
clever sun
Obliterator is so old lol
atomic harness
surgical
clever sun
I think Misty and I were chatting a week or so ago
clever sun
She was mid-game and she attacked through and beat through combat three Obliterators
They did nothing
And how if the card was designed today, it would let you pick what is sacrificed
clever sun
Batterskull is solid still
hidden ermine
Gut Shot surely still sees occasional play right?
clever sun
Beast Within sees a lot of casual play
atomic harness
BW is uhh casual green staple yh
clever sun
It sees occasional cEDH play in Mono-Green stuff
hidden ermine
Also is Sword of War and Peace the first of the swords?
clever sun
It was
hidden ermine
I dont remember where that cycle started
copper pecan
wasn't blightsteel colossus in this
clever sun
The swords are from Mirrodin
atomic harness
Blight is uh MBS salt
hidden ermine
Its from a different set yeah
clever sun
Wait now I gotta check
atomic harness
Same block though
Scars, Besieged and NPH
clever sun
[[Sword of War and Peace]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, Sword of War and Peace deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip
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[[Sword of Fire and Ice]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from blue.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, Sword of Fire and Ice deals 2 damage to any target and you draw a card.
Equip
hidden ermine
Oh yeah we finally completed the cycle now didnt we
clever sun
Crazy how they printed this and Feast and Famine
and they never managed to print a sword as good as those ever again
hidden ermine
Though Im not a huge fan of [[Sword of Once and Future]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from blue and from black.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, surveil 2. Then you may cast an instant or sorcery spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
Equip
hidden ermine
It kinda feels like it lacks the "each colour contributes" part
atomic harness
Yeah how come all the new swords are kinda poopy
clever sun
Surveil and Snap
atomic harness
[[forge and frontier]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. You may play an additional land this turn.
Equip
clever sun
It is the Dimir keyword from Ravnica too (surveil))
This one is "fine"
Same with Once and Future
atomic harness
actually I guess this is ok ja
but like fire and ice and feast and famine are just a step above
clever sun
They just aren't Fire and Ice or Feast and Famine
atomic harness
yee
hidden ermine
Yeah my issue is that surveil is more in blue than black
So its basically a blue, and a blue-leaning U/B effect
atomic harness
ngl I thought surveil was a red thing because of darcy
atomic harness
interesting
hidden ermine
I mean its at least somewhat black but
You could have both effects on a blue card
Which to me misses the mark a little
clever sun
You could probably do both effects on a black card nowdays too
hidden ermine
Shame, because U/B is probably my favourite colour combination
Oh did black get snappy effects?
clever sun
Somewhat
It is still very conditional when they can do graveyard spell recursion outside of reanimate
clever sun
I say
hidden ermine
The effect is [[Mission Briefing]]
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hidden ermine
Its basically a mono-blue card used to represent U/B
Its just kinda lame flavourwise
clever sun
Next time we get to Ravnica, we will see a Dimir card that is mono-black that can just cast a spell from yard like Snapcaster
hidden ermine
Should've let it also reanimate things of mana value 2 or less
I dont think that would break the card
copper pecan
black isn't allowed to recur non-creanture non-planeswalker cards
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Sword
clever sun
black isn't allowed to recur non-creanture non-planeswalker cards
It is getting there
It's not out of the color pie if it is a Dimir card or meant to be in a Dimir deck
copper pecan
for balance reasons black isn't supposed to recur instants and sorceries because then it can easily recur removal
hidden ermine
Btw I remember that Alchemy got some Ninja buffs, are they any good in historic?
clever sun
Yeah of course
They were already good
Ninjas that is
And they just buffed arguably the best Ninjitsu card they run
[[A-Moon Circuit Hacker]]
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Enchantment Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu 
(, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Moon-Circuit Hacker deals combat damage to a player, scry 2, then draw a card. Discard a card unless Moon-Circuit Hacker entered the battlefield this turn.
2/1
hidden ermine
How long would it take to get them from scratch?
I havent played Arena in ages
But Ive always liked the Ninjutsu mechanic
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Artifact
: Untap Retrofitter Foundry.
, 
: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
, , Sacrifice a Servo: Create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
, Sacrifice a Thopter: Create a 4/4 colorless Construct artifact creature token.
clever sun
It is a fair load of rares
No Mythics at least so
Give or take... a week or two of grinding?
atomic harness
retrofitter
clever sun
Maybe you don't run some of the expensive sideboard cards
hidden ermine
Do they get a lot of mana?
clever sun
Why?
Did you not play Legacy ninjas?
Or is this just a first time experience with the deck?
atomic harness
Im curious too
hidden ermine
Do I look like I can afford that kinda cash
clever sun
Ninjas run [[Ornithopter]] since it is free
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hidden ermine
... yeah right I forgot about that card lmao
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hidden ermine
Oh
atomic harness
Thopters and ninjas 
hidden ermine
I ... forgot that lmao
Somehow I always read Thopter as an artifact type not a creature type
clever sun
Some Ninja lists are playing a strange Dimir Thoptersword list but I don't like it
Once and Future and Forge and Frontier cover you from almost all removal and with infinite thopters late game
Yeah it gets nice
clever sun
Not on my laptop
hidden ermine
Its my favourite colour combination and a mechanic Ive enjoyed a fair bit
clever sun
But I also don't like the Thoptersword lists outside of Boros
atomic harness
Caster how do you feel about 3 years for standard
clever sun
@twilit canyon I know you're home do you have Ninjas on hand?
clever sun
Caster how do you feel about 3 years for standard
I think it is better to just bring back extended
atomic harness
extended the goat frfr
hidden ermine
Also since you mentioned no mythics, Im guessing you dont use the ninja walker?
atomic harness
kaito 
clever sun
Kaito is an upgrade but not a necessity
twilit canyon
they do the same thing p much but arent needed
hidden ermine
Theres two Kaitos?
atomic harness
theres a new one in mom or smth I think
hidden ermine
Oh right duh
atomic harness
dancing shadow?
hidden ermine
The one we got in ... was it ONE?
clever sun
Yeah in ONE
atomic harness
not sure if mom or one ahh
hidden ermine
Isnt that one a rare?
atomic harness
Ye
hidden ermine
Neat
atomic harness
I like the og one a bit more though
hidden ermine
Yeah but I recall Arena being stingy with mythic wildcards
twilit canyon
atomic harness
I havent played in a while but
I had like more mythics than rares most of the time since you can save them a lot easier
Drown in the loch 
hidden ermine
Oh, they put infiltrator in historic?
twilit canyon
ya
hidden ermine
Huh
twilit canyon
the other buffed ninjas are decent
hidden ermine
Neat
twilit canyon
but the only one i really like running is dokuchi silencer
hidden ermine
Ill probably just cut the borrower for something
twilit canyon
borrower can be any other interaction spell
its the same slot p much
borrower just gets to be recycles
*recycled
clever sun
Did you ever try Murderous Rider?
clever sun
Lets see
21 Rares main
2 Mythics
The rest are Commons and Uncommons
Eight more rares in the side
twilit canyon
yea its actually p budget
i might take ninjas on a run later in the month
atm im fucking around with my lurrus control list so until that is refined or abandoned
im on it
clever sun
I still can't believe you are playing control decks LMAO
clever sun
TiTi 
twilit canyon
yea i forgot it got put on the platform
twilit canyon
nah not really
oh
right
the inclusion makes no sense if ur not familiar with the historic eta
*eta
**meta
its a hugely diverse format yes
but there are standout decks
notably [[crucias, titan of the waves]]
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twilit canyon
both pure rakdos
hidden ermine
Yeah that would do it
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And I guess its common enough that you main it over siding it
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Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu
Deathtouch
Whenever Swarm Saboteur deals combat damage to a player, conjure a card named Virus Beetle into your hand.
2/2
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twilit canyon
yep
comes in, has death touch
makes more bodies
that discard them
its very very strong vs control
granted, control is not super popular
until you hit like mythic
my list is so parasitically built around the mythic ladder meta give me a sec
i can adjust the sb for other ranks
twilit canyon
the other meta decks include izzet wizards
hidden ermine
Its been ages and things changed a lot
twilit canyon
[[a-symmetry sage]]
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twilit canyon
[[a-mentors guidance]]
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hidden ermine
Oh
twilit canyon
you just get fucking big for doing what izzet does naturally
and you never run out of cards
it gets stopped by removal tribal
hidden ermine
So its kinda prowess-esque?
twilit canyon
but removal tribal can struggle grinding out expressive iteration and mentors guidance
yep
hidden ermine
Huh, neat
twilit canyon
it runs soul-scar mage and [[balmor battle mage captain]]
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hidden ermine
Is it an expensive deck?
hidden ermine
Whats the mythics?
twilit canyon
im running [[svyelun of sea and sky]]
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Legendary Creature — Merfolk God
Svyelun of Sea and Sky has indestructible as long as you control at least two other Merfolk.
Whenever Svyelun attacks, draw a card.
Other Merfolk you control have ward . (Whenever another Merfolk you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
3/4
hidden ermine
Are there other merfolks in the deck?
twilit canyon
no its just a 3 mana 3/4
that draws on attack
it can attack past jarsyl and crucias
and doesnt die to strange or wizards lightning
needs to commit a reckless rage from the mirror or hard removal from rakdos/x midrange
hidden ermine
I see
hidden ermine
Oh Iteration isnt banned
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Oh its the Kethis loop?
twilit canyon
yep
now with jace
since jace will just mill u out
then mill the opponent out
i thought about teching a random jwom
in case the opponent gets cheeky and puts a gaea's blessing to shuffle the yard back
but its not worth it in mythic
since players wont play bad cards for fringe case scenarios
they will just stone brain your jace
and thats entirely why ceremonious rejection is there
oh and ertai and urzas
for when u need to win fair
flip rona and turn sideways
deck is really broken
arguably best deck?
i think rakdos and wizards make a good case for best deck too tho
i dont have a 75 for merfolk built but they are good too
really good
they get shit on by rakdos and wizards unfort
copper pecan
are merfolk simic or are they monoblue
twilit canyon
simic
tho i have toyed with a dimir list with lurrus
it doesnt change much
they still get shit on by both decks
merfolk have a 0% chance to beat this on the play or on the draw
clever sun
Tainted Pact is also very strong still
Deck is sooo stupid good
It is weaker Kethis
But it is good
twilit canyon
true
i think its slightly slept on
cus it doesnt die to the same thing that kethis does
u cant exile their shit since wishboard cards can grab the wincon or pact
issue is that it def gets completely dismantled by good rakdos and control draws
and ur at the mercy of good removal draws vs aggro
auras are also good
and meta
never be surprised to see them
they are just bogles
invisible stalker and light-paws are carrying the deck for the weird tech auras splash
copper pecan
shout out to [[molten impact]]
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clever sun
The aggro destroyer
Only it is weirdly balanced?
Absolutely love it though
Such a good card
twilit canyon
oh right
humans
u cant ever forget
humans are gonna fuck ur shit up
variations on colors and card ratios will vary
but they will all be running esper sentinel, thalia, and adeline at least
hidden ermine
[[Adeline Resplendent Cathar]]
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Huh
twilit canyon
adeline is hard carrying humans across all formats
modern, legacy, vintage, pioneer, historic, and standard
hidden ermine
Funny enough it doesnt read that strong at first glance
twilit canyon
this is another top tier historic deck
colors and combo wincons may vary
but the theory is the same
indomitable creativity, flip your 2 cards win the game
twilit canyon
spirits are good
they have both azorius and mono-blue builds
and bant company lists
clever sun
You haven't even covered the Affinity builds
sleek ferry
How do you maneuver pressure with khenra spellspear btw
twilit canyon
u kill them
sleek ferry
I tend to sometimes sit on it and transform it right away
twilit canyon
oh
just transform when its safe
then turn sideways at them
the opponent will die
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Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever a Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, you may have Sarkhan, Soul Aflame become a copy of it until end of turn, except its name is Sarkhan, Soul Aflame and it's legendary in addition to its other types.
2/4
sleek ferry
I never realized how much [[zurgo and ojutai]] can pressure simple board states
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clever sun
If you need Affinity lists
I have them
and more on the brew table
The first one is my most recent experiment
twilit canyon
sleek ferry
[[sword of forge and frontier]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. You may play an additional land this turn.
Equip
hidden ermine
... wait why do I have to do the tutorial again, I had Arena installed before
twilit canyon
skill check
sleek ferry
Arena has the best tutorial of any tcg imo
It’s infinitely better than MD’s tutorial
hidden ermine
MD has a tutorial?
twilit canyon
yea
twilit canyon
atomic harness
Nettlecyst
clever sun
Nettlecyst, Breya's Apprentice, and Swords
clever sun
All I need is Batterskull and SFM
Yep
Oh right I gotta see if I can run Esper Sentinel here
Probably
Just gotta find the cut
atomic harness
[[barbed spike]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When Barbed Spike enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying, then attach Barbed Spike to it.
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip
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[[breya's apprentice]]
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Artifact Creature — Human Artificer
When Breya's Apprentice enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
, Sacrifice an artifact: Choose one —
• Exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
• Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
2/3
clever sun
+2 Affinity and a Thopter
clever sun
Why am I getting cards for logging in
Arena has been giving out a billion rewards
atomic harness
Arena has been giving out a billion rewards
Its kinda like living weapon but you get an artifact creature, nice!
hidden ermine
Oh its ranked rewards apparently
atomic harness
Is it possible to run a more aggressive list w vault skirge?
hidden ermine
I just never logged in since then lmao
clever sun
Ranked rewards among other things
hidden ermine
What packs should I get for Ninjas?
clever sun
Is it possible to run a more aggressive list w vault skirge?
Yep
atomic harness
clever sun
What packs should I get for Ninjas?
Kamigawa Neon Dynasty
hidden ermine
Regular or alchemy?
clever sun
Regular
hidden ermine
Also whats a "mythic pack"?
clever sun
Is it possible to run a more aggressive list w vault skirge?
Vault Skirge is super common for Ensoul lists
I prefer to grind more
atomic harness
You get a guaranteed mythic, not a fan of that pack though
clever sun
Also whats a "mythic pack"?
Packs with guaranteed mythic
atomic harness
yeah ensoul vault
clever sun
Only useful if you are trying to full complete a set
hidden ermine
Ah, I see
atomic harness
Its also common to ensoul esper right, chunky and guarantees draws
do you ever ensoul darksteel citadel?
twilit canyon
ensoul darksteel is a classic combo
atomic harness
clever sun
It is literally why you run Darksteel
clever sun
Cycle or Channel?
atomic harness
Ottawara right
atomic harness
v good pull
twilit canyon
u only need to pull a bit from kamigawa tho
cus out of kamigawa all u need is 1-2 copies of [[thousand-faced shadow]]
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Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Flying
When Thousand-Faced Shadow enters the battlefield from your hand, if it's attacking, create a token that's a copy of another target attacking creature. The token enters the battlefield tapped and attacking.
1/1
twilit canyon
and [[moon-circuit hacker]]
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Enchantment Creature — Human Ninja
Ninjutsu (, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Moon-Circuit Hacker deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card unless Moon-Circuit Hacker entered the battlefield this turn.
2/1
twilit canyon
oh ig [[dokuichi slicer]] is in there too
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twilit canyon
forgot the name
lol
swarm saboteur is in the alchemy pack but its better to craft those instead
since itd be the only ninja card there
compared to tys and hacker and slicer
oh and if u pull the regular version
u get the alchemy version automatically
no need to craft it
clever sun
Mono-colored decks do the trick
hidden ermine
I just clicked on the cheapest green cards
clever sun
You can honestly play some pretty impressive budget mono-colored historic decks outside of Black
trail anvil
I'm sure it isn't too hard
trail anvil
the cards in each color that are good should be pretty obvious if you think about it
hidden ermine
Its just a loose collection of draft chaff
trail anvil
... how did I win
that's the way magic works sometimes
clever sun
Yeah if you are on quick play, it also only pairs you against similar powered decks
trail anvil
also fwiw matchmaker operates based on card quality
clever sun
Fellows who are farming daily quest on a budget
sleek ferry
I farm daily quests
Log in to arena at 8am everyday, farm quests, log back in at 11 to see store deals
hidden ermine
Arena doesnt have like boards you can get, right?
dense berry
be patient they still havent fixed mtgos memory leak from 2007
theyll get to new features eventually
hidden ermine
So much for similar card quality, my opponent just dropped Capenna Elspeth
dense berry
at least you can just run out cards and collect your L
hidden ermine
He still lost
Deathbonnet Sprout op
Draft chaff magic is wack
What the fuck is an orb
copper pecan
you can spend them to get cosmetics related to whatever the latest set is
hidden ermine
Ah
I see
Oh I got thousand-faced shadow
Is Brazen Borrower a common card in historic?
Or in other words
Is it fine to craft?
copper pecan
yes
sleek ferry
Brazen borrower was a fine card, though idk if it still has value in historic
If salt says yes, then it must be yes
hidden ermine
I see
Also Im just short a few rare wildcards of crafting the deck outright now
All of them being lands >.>
clever sun
Lands are all over the place unfortunately
RNA has Watery Grave
ONE has Darkslick Shores
ZDR has Clearwater Pathway
hidden ermine
Figures
And the deck doesnt look like one that can really run just more basics
Oh actually I forgot about the Retrofitter foundry
I also need that one
clever sun
super budget Mono-White that should work decent for doing dailies
Same but with Blue
Red
Green
Only reason I won't do Mono-Black is because there are no good budget Black cards
hidden ermine
Mmh
clever sun
Like
You have no easy way to enable Fatal Push in Mono-Black with no rares or mythics
hidden ermine
Might use the red one to get some quick wins
hidden ermine
How quickly do you get uncommon wildcards?
clever sun
Quite
hidden ermine
Because I need 16 for the ninjas deck and 21 for this one and I got ... 28?
clever sun
Hm
If you are what
Missing lands and Retrofitter for Ninjas
You might as well get as much as you can for Ninjas
hidden ermine
Wdym?
hidden ermine
Mmh
clever sun
Ninjas can kind of get away with a scuffed mana base
It will just be awkward at times
hidden ermine
Well the question is
Can I get 9 rares /rare wildcards faster than 9 uncommons?
... probably not actually
clever sun
Maybe
hidden ermine
Might as well make the budget red deck to grind out daily wins
clever sun
Daily wins are only important up until the 6th or 7th?
Daily Quests are more important
twilit canyon
also tbh
u can do nearly mono-blue ninjas
its like
fine to run some dismal backwaters
and shit
moon-circuit hacker and faerie seer both do a ton to smooth ur draws too
u can get away with 4 tap duals and basics with the right ratios
hidden ermine
Too late
twilit canyon
did u build the red list?
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twilit canyon
but if u dont have these dw about it
clever sun
I forget this exists
hidden ermine
Damn, lost the mono-red mirror because I flooded and my opponent didnt
hidden ermine
So apparently all the codes for the free packs still work
And I got enough packs to get all the wildcards I need
There we go, Ninja deck completed
Is there bo1 ranked?
twilit canyon
completely out?
damn
uhh if u want some uncommon/common sb tech
more spell pierce is good
[[soul-guide lantern]] is great
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When Soul-Guide Lantern enters the battlefield, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice Soul-Guide Lantern: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
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twilit canyon
[[cut down]]
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twilit canyon
[[mystical dispute]]
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if it targets a blue spell.
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Poor, lost mage. Your feet are on land, yet you're in over your head, aren't you?"
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twilit canyon
go for the throat
infernal grasp
cast down
noxious grasp
ohh theres a new counter spell
counters mana value 2 or less
or counters 6 or less if its targeting a red or green spell
trail anvil
https://youtu.be/ccGXRKAohug?t=1740 I'm fucking dying at this sequence
sudden lava
we have the colors for the doctor who commander decks
trail anvil
this deck is super fun by the looks of it too
its gonna be turn skips isnt it?
twilit canyon
https://youtu.be/ccGXRKAohug?t=1740 I'm fucking dying at this sequence
lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo
atomic harness
So I played at this pod edh thingie and won with urza! power level was about right
@fallow citrus @clever sun @twilit canyon got this from the promo pack
fallow citrus
ayy nice
atomic harness
Might sell it
fallow citrus
good idea
sleek ferry
Meathook massacre my beloved
atomic harness
Also caster harmless karn actually pulled its weight again
It kept giving me instants to protect myself and the board (despark, swords to plowshares, miscast, dispatch)
I was under collector ouphe for the early half of the game but since I had basic lands and the artifact creatures I had and karnstructs are static, it was fine
hidden ermine
completely out?
Ye. Had to cash in all to craft the remaining rares
Well I got mythic wildcards
Since I didn't need many of em
twilit canyon
<@122453664466993155> <@970847564121395250> <@480437470870110209> got this from ...
good shit
hidden ermine
Oh, is cycling like a super budget historic deck?
Just ran into a cycling deck and I didnt see any rares
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... oh I forgot Ingenious Infiltrator is for every ninja that hits them
I almost wanna play a Reliquary Tower so I dont have to discard end of turn
rigid scarab
My brother is trying to get into Magic because
His sergeant is into it
And won a SEA Championship or something
lusty trench
So I've opened some aftermath packs, and the card stock quality is absolutely abysmal
sudden lava
sleek ferry
Is it a hot take to say that I don't think Monastery Mentor is actually good in this standard?
Because after playing with it for 2 weeks, card has been very mid
trail anvil
I don't think so, jeskai prowess never seemed amazing to me
the card itself has a high topend but we have a shit ton of single target removal rn, or decks that can just race it on the ground
twilit canyon
mentor isnt a standard card
its not a pioneer card either
its barely a modern or historic card
mentor is only really broken in legacy/vintage
trail anvil
what do you do with it there, just sit on it and spam low cost spells?
twilit canyon
free spells and xerox
glad peak
Turbo it out turn 1 (in vintage) and then cast free stuff or low cost stuff that interacts or gives you more cards
twilit canyon
can also protect mentor with fow, fon, daze
glad peak
It’s very good in those formats
Better than peezy since you typically cast more spells and can push for lethal
twilit canyon
prowess is a hell of a drug
sleek ferry
that makes more sense
hidden ermine
Btw what should I replace Drown in the Loch in Ninjas for?
Most of the enemies Im running into arent really milling or discarding
sleek ferry
But also I had heard mentor was really good in the last standard he was in
Idk how many years ago that was
twilit canyon
Btw what should I replace Drown in the Loch in Ninjas for?
more make disappear or sheoldreds edicts
trail anvil
Btw what should I replace Drown in the Loch in Ninjas for?
if you want something in a similar vein ig spirits?
twilit canyon
up to u
glad peak
But that was also the time of Billy so I don’t think it saw too much play
twilit canyon
u can do 1 and 1
trail anvil
oh I misread that
glad peak
Wait no most of the sets mentor was legal in had rabblemaster and mantis rider
(Siege rhino too but talking about 3S for now)
glad peak
Flying and can kill faster in standard
They formed the core of the jeskai deck wins strategy back then, followed by dark jeskai (without rabble) fueled with fetches and dual lands
Siege rhino was still king but I don’t really remember when mentor would’ve have a chance to really have a foothold of the format
twilit canyon
mantis rider was a busted card
glad peak
Even saw play in legacy for a bit iirc
twilit canyon
mantis rider struck fear into the hearts of many a deaths shadow player in modern for a while
glad peak
It’s been a while for me
glad peak
For a bit I remember thinking it also had prowess 
trail anvil
*vigilance*?
doesn't die to wandering emperor 
sleek ferry
Woo, finally got the combo off
glad peak
It was the reason why I was somewhat excited for the naya variant which was 4 mana and a 4/4 I think
trail anvil
[[adult gold dragon]]
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trail anvil
this one?
lusty trench
Low stats
trail anvil
yeah I think they were scared of the lifelink
trail anvil
but she's also a fat block of stats with vigilance
not to say lifelink isn't impactful, I just think atraxa is a very extreme example
sleek ferry
Well the issue with the lifelink is, if they’re in a disadvantageous position, you can’t even race them, since atraxa will just heal half their life total
trail anvil
yeah she's game ending and I think was designed as such
I still think the bigger problem is that she's paired with the ridiculous cards cruelty of gix, fable and tbh in general everything else that rakdos can do to just be the best deck
5c atraxa isn't super oppressive and boros fell off pretty hard to my knowledge
sleek ferry
She’s just too free. As ridiculous as fable and cruelty are, she comes down (or reanimates) way too easily
There’s also 0 reason not to run her
trail anvil
the reason you do run her is that you have ridiculously easy ways to get her in grave without sacrificing anything else and a way to reanimate her without sacrificing anything else
normally reanimator decks require the tradeoff that you're running something specific to mill and something specific to reanimation and those don't work if another part is missing
harvester serves as looting and a big body as well as removal. fable is mana fixing, ramping, looting and even a busted creature copy machine that synergizes with the above
black also just has the best midrange and removal in standard in general
twilit canyon
mantis rider ruined a lot of efficient creatures at higher mana
cus they could never live up to the rider hype
trail anvil
at this point fable, harvester and thalia are all on my ban wishlist for standard
given we gotta go through another year of this
sleek ferry
All I’m saying is, when I saw mono white using invoke Justice to reanimate atraxa, I knew something was wrong
trail anvil
that's probably still a lot worse than what they're currently doing with playing a value pile
sleek ferry
Probably since both the wanderers are ridiculous cards
trail anvil
yeah but also like I said before I don't imagine white has a good way to get atraxa in grave to begin with
sleek ferry
Not to mention the stupid ass flying phyrexian that gate keeps non black removal
trail anvil
flying phyrexian?
trail anvil
I just figure control is in a terrible enough spot as is
trail anvil
I'm also really hoping that battles in eldraine are a different type that can be removed by something that's not damaged and still trigger
twilit canyon
idt we are getting eldraine battles
dense berry
my friend bought two secret lairs
we're gonna see how far we can trade them up
its the guay one and the ocean friends one
foil ofc
lusty trench
Bruh wait the new nissa is actually disgusting as a commander
golden plover
Monkey's Paw Scenario:
Korvold gets a new card in Wilds of Eldraine, but he's a limited archetype mythic
golden plover
True. I just think it's sad to see cool characters get shitty limited only cards
No one has it worse than Radha in that regard at least
copper pecan
i don't think a character getting a bad card is some kind of travesty
not every card can be good
granite badge
eh I can see the logic
copper pecan
and it's not like a new bad korvold would cause the old good one to not exist
twilit canyon
having some bad legendary creatures is also fun or heavily niche legends
granite badge
for named characters I think their cards being tolerable at least can be important for getting players attached to the characters
twilit canyon
kinda
but for example
fblthp
has 1 decent card
niv mizzet
has 1 good card
1 niche card
2 niche cards
actually
and the other one is bad
copper pecan
reminder that the main character of the story for years was [[gerrard capashen]]
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At the beginning of your upkeep, you gain 1 life for each card in target opponent's hand.
: Tap target creature. Activate only if Gerrard Capashen is attacking.
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sleek ferry
Can we get an escape of the wild reprint in eldraine or one of the upcoming sets
twilit canyon
no
sleek ferry
I need Gruul to be good again
Gruul is the cultured color combo
Dimir is for the uncultured
twilit canyon
escape to the wild wouldnt make gruul good in standard
itd make 4c+ insane
u want gruul to be good again? print good rg aggro cards
and support a good rg aggro mana base
copper pecan
we need to print questing beast but replace the planeswalker damage effect with a battle damage effect, flavor it as some kind of dinosaur, and print it in red
this will save standard
twilit canyon
true!
maybe it has
firebreathing?
replacing deathtouch vigilance for menace for balance?
nah but fr we have no good gruul aggro cards
trail anvil
idt we are getting eldraine battles
are we not? I figure they'd want to saturate sets with the new mechanic to get it balanced quick
copper pecan
iirc they said we won't be getting more until they can gague the reaction to mom
hidden ermine
Thats an odd choice
twilit canyon
yea it was them dropping a bunch then waiting
hidden ermine
Its not like theyre not gonna continue the card type
twilit canyon
if battles end up unpopular they wont print more
copper pecan
they did this with planeswalkers when those were first printed too
after they printed the first 5 we didn't get any more for a year
golden plover
Yeah why bother dropping a bunch in a single set and then wait
Seems weird for what's supposed to be a new mechanic
lusty trench
To the cedh players here, does the new nissa combo matter
twilit canyon
Yeah why bother dropping a bunch in a single set and then wait
cus it helps not have constant new cards of a new type that ppl will not like
it also lets all the rules marinate the players
lusty trench
shes trash
I assume it's because the combo's fragile and mono green is lacking in interaction? Not familiar with cedh
sleek ferry
Fine then, bring back riot as a mechanic to make Gruul good again
twilit canyon
also much stronger cedh commanders in mono green
twilit canyon
Fine then, bring back riot as a mechanic to make Gruul good again
wouldnt work
lusty trench
I see
fallow citrus
selvala moment
twilit canyon
selvala, yisan
new nissa would be niche at best
in any case, rg has no draw to it bc it lacks aggro cards
riot cards arent the be all end all to aggro cus it wont help them dodge a lot of removal besides lay down arms (haste) or cut down (counter)
u want to give gruul cards that curve favorably into removal and are aggressive that arent mono-red or green
granite badge
yea it was them dropping a bunch then waiting
its probably gonna be like Sagas then where they forget about them until years later
hidden ermine
Btw how does the ranking system work
When the season ends, how far do you get reset?
twilit canyon
bronze -> silver -> gold -> plat -> diamond -> mythic
then
mythic % -> mythic top 1500
season resets u from gold and under to bronze 4
sudden lava
I hope the doctor who commander decks are fun