Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

1000+ cards is wacky

MOM was one of the biggest sets recently and it capped at 387 including all the alts

There's 704 cards in the "main set" judging the eldrazi's collector number

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-returns-to-secret-lair-with-from-cute-to-brute

Oh no

They're trying this again

[lusty trench]

Oh for fuck sake flip avacyn is my partner's favourite card and now she gets a new art treatment I gotta spend £150 for

[golden plover]

And wait a year

Don't forget about the year's worth of delay issues

They butchered this list too

All sorts of random flip cards that you'd be hard pressed to feasibly flip

As expected mana base is awful, but it does come with one of each pathway

[clever sun]

Oh my FUCKING GOD

GNSKGKSNGKDLHJLH

[lusty trench]

No itlamoc? In the deck?

You put every other ixalan shitty flip card in it

But no itlamoc?

[golden plover]

Honestly no clue what they were thinking with this list

The arts are cool, but they added $50??

And it's still probably gonna take a year to ship

Why is it $50 more expensive than last time anyways

[twilit canyon]

where were u when they started babygirl-ifying ugin and nicol

[golden plover]

Oh my God they included Zetalpa lmao

Wouldn't be a white deck without Zetalpa

Oh it's pre-printed this time. So shouldn't take a literal year

Guess that's what the extra $50 is for

[lusty trench]

I'd say things like this need way more notice

But also that gives the scalpers wizards doesn't care about stopping more time to prep bots

[golden plover]

The scalper bots are gonna pick the whole thing clean before anyone gets them anyways

Look at what happened with the anniversary countdown lair

[clever sun]

Not if I have anything to say about it

and I do

[golden plover]

Scalpers got all the copies the second it went live

What they need to do is make an order cap

I think anniversary countdown had one but it was something wacky like 30 per account

[fallow citrus]

the meditation realm does some shit

[golden plover]

So scalpers got like 6 accounts up, put 30 in the cart for each, and then it sold out asap

If there's a reasonable cap this time, this one might not sell out instantly

Still weird it costs $50 more than the last one for the sake of getting it in the same year you bought it

[lusty trench]

I'm still annoyed at no itlamoc

[golden plover]

That's a $25 card

You think we can just put value in these

Wait they did the 50/50 foil thing again??

WHY

It fit the coin flip thing, but it's so dumb

[clever sun]

Wait Itlamoc is how much?

[golden plover]

Itlimoc is like $25 rn

You can find some played ones for $20ish

[clever sun]

Why is it that pricey lol

[golden plover]

No clue

I guess because it's bootleg Gaia's Cradle

[clever sun]

Ehh I guess

[golden plover]

Not a good card, but it's something some people want in EDH so $25 it is

[lusty trench]

Wanted to try out syr Gwyn as my knight commander but that 6 mana CMC has me concerned

[broken fjord]

Pulled Halo foil Yarrok, and boy does it look terrible.

[fallow citrus]

jeweled lotus smiles at you

[lusty trench]

I'm not getting a jeweled lotus for a stinky knight tribal deck but damn does it sound good

[fallow citrus]

I mean for decks that need big cmc commanders to function you need stuff like that or just play a lot of dorks and accept you're going to durdle for about 10 turns before you assemble a plan

[sudden lava]

whelbolas

[sleek ferry]

Yoooo that’s sick

Also based aeri as a mod

[lusty trench]

The Ur dragon looking at ugin and nicol bolas seeing how cute they are then peering into the future and seeing these old bastards playing chess within a sealed off pocket plane

[sudden lava]

we have the artifact version for that effect at least

[copper pecan]

apparently they tested a version where it had a downside and people hated using the mechanic because they thought it sucked

like, flavor is important but people just do not like downside abilities, and it doesn't matter how flavorful something is if nobody wants to use it

[hidden ermine]

Yeah that was pretty much my guess

But then why make it a mechanic

[lusty trench]

Honestly I'm not overall impressed with the bonuses it gives

I like the evasion but other than that it's just kinda

Eh

I think that was a response to initiative providing too much value in older formats though

[lusty trench]

I'm a bit upset to see king kenrith die in aftermath mainly because it's gonna be hard to tell who Mordred is

[golden plover]

Yeah I don't get the point of using the mechanic like that. Completely missed flavor

Tbh I also feel like mechanics with downsides is a space they gotta bring back

I know they say they're unfun, but theyve all been upside lately

[copper pecan]

nobody wants to use cards with downside effects

there's really not a ton of fun design space for cards that have downside effects, and why would you use something with a downside when you can use anything else instead?

casual players absolutely hate downside effects and barely anyone actually likes them, so why not do something that doesn't cause new players to immediately dismiss cards as being terrible?

[hidden ermine]

Yeah from a gameplay perspective, that makes perfect sense

[copper pecan]

they moved away from that kind of thing for a reason

[hidden ermine]

It makes more sense as a 1-of card that specifically tries to do drawbacks

Like the contracts

Rather than as a general mechanic

That isnt my issue with it tbh, my issue is that they did the mechanic at all given the whole drawback thing

Why not have the one ring be a card designed around having a drawback?

I mean hell

Thats basically what they did

But in a boring way

[copper pecan]

if they didn't have a mechanic themed around the ring people would be disappointed

[hidden ermine]

And now people are disappointed because said mechanic isnt very flavourful

Even ignoring that its all upside, why can there be 4 "the one ring"

[copper pecan]

because the mechanic would be terrible if your opponent could just steal it from you by doing what they were already doing anyways?

same reason they changed the way the legend rule worked

[hidden ermine]

Sure, but now you have 4 "the one ring"

Thats not ... great

[glad peak]

Or let’s just use the logic they use for the legend rule

The things you play are only things that replicate the power of the things you summon

[hidden ermine]

Like idk I wouldve made it more like Monarch

Except with the ring passing to whoever destroys the current ringbearer

[copper pecan]

monarch mechanics are hard to balance for 1v1 which is what this set is designed for

[hidden ermine]

Eh, having it be on creature destruction makes it easier

[glad peak]

Being like monarch would make it much much harder to balance and remember

[hidden ermine]

When its on a specific creature its easier to balance and remember

[glad peak]

A level up mechanic for creatures that bounce between players? That’s a bit too many layers

[hidden ermine]

Is it? Its the current thing, except there is only one ringbearer, and it moves whenever the ringbearer is destroyed

[glad peak]

It’s the current thing but you also have to track when it’ll go to the opponent’s field, which would also have to track how many times they’ve been tempted, regardless of if they have a ringbearer, and then change the tempt meter when it gets back to you

[clever sun]

People being disappointed that temptation by the ring has no downsides are ridiculous

cards having serious drawbacks can be both very exploitable

or feel awful to play with

The biggest disappointment is that The One Ring doesn't tempt

[lusty trench]

I'm mainly confused about that cause like... Isn't the main draw to the ring that it grants power?

Like I know it tempts on a deeper level, but it tempts by promising power

[clever sun]

It tempts you to use it to gain more power

Of course, it is by Sauron's will

[golden plover]

I think part of it is the verbage used. The word tempt implies downsides

[clever sun]

so it is slowly corrupting those who wear the one ring unless their mental is powerful

No?

It's tempting you with power

A temptating proposition isn't something that implies downsides

[lusty trench]

unless their mental is powerful
And aren't we planeswalkers with deep knowledge in the MTG lore? So that makes sense

[clever sun]

Sure though it isn't all about mental strength

Example: Gandalf didn't wanna be the ringbearer

[lusty trench]

I'm not familiar with lotr stuff so I'm just going of pop culture osmosis

[clever sun]

because even though he is nearly a God in terms of power and abilities

he knew he would be tempted

the desire to use it for good

the desire to use it for evil

the only ones who can truly use the ring are those who covet nothing

as such, it felt to a hobbit. and more particularly, Frodo

Because he only really wanted to go out on adventures

and even he, towards the end

was tempted by the power

[lusty trench]

The issue is I don't know how you'd make the downsides apparent in MTG lore. Cause if you use self mill to represent mental degradation then that's something that could be abused

So I can see why they went with only upsides

[atomic harness]

chat I love jeska's will

[clever sun]

You cannot use the downsides in Magic lore

[atomic harness]

resolved both modes like 4 times the other day

usually added 5-7 red mana, im surprised they put it in a precon

also resolved og etali for once, that boy is nice

[clever sun]

self-mill is abusable, sacrifice is abusable, discard can be exploitable and last thing you would ever want is to give an easy access gift effect

[atomic harness]

you said it kiddo

[clever sun]

Card is so good

[lusty trench]

3 mana draw 3 add 7 red? Yes please

[atomic harness]

Deck is really fun even if im not winning most of the time due to popping off too early

[fallow citrus]

I too love jeska's

[atomic harness]

I think my favorite thing is chaining impulse draw effects, like say one of them exiles another

[lusty trench]

The only reason I could dislike jeskas is when it exiles my dualcaster when I don't have a twin flame or similar ready

[golden plover]

Woops that sent super late

But yeah, my point was the word tempt is inherently negative

Any other word would have been fine, but it implies a downside that doesn't exist

[lusty trench]

I mean... The card murder has no consequences for literally murdering a guy

[golden plover]

That's a big difference

[lusty trench]

And murder is also a word that is implied bad by default

[golden plover]

By casting murder, you're doing that

The Ring never actually tempts you

Easiest solution would have been to just make it put a -1/-1 counter on the Ring-Bearer each turn or something

[lusty trench]

Also by that definition we know using the ring is morally wrong

[golden plover]

Yeah but if you didn't know anything about LOTR then you wouldn't

The word tempt is the issue. It's a weird word to use without a downside

[atomic harness]

question, I know tibalt's trickery was used in standard for some degen instawin memery

but does it have application as an "actual counterspell"?

[fallow citrus]

not really

[[tibalt's trickery]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/153/tibalts-trickery

Tibalt's Trickery <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Counter target spell. Choose 1, 2, or 3 at random. Its controller mills that many cards, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card with a different name than that spell. They may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put the exiled cards on the bottom of their library in a random order.

[lusty trench]

It's the chaos warp issue except this guarantees your opponents something

I'm more partial to wylls reversal myself even though that card is also not good

Stealing your opponents take an extra turn spells never gets old

[atomic harness]

[[wylls reversal]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/209/wylls-reversal

Wyll's Reversal <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose target spell or ability with one or more targets. Roll a d20 and add the greatest power among creatures you control.
1—14 | You may choose new targets for that spell or ability.
15+ | You may choose new targets for that spell or ability. Then copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.

[atomic harness]

oo

So probs just stick to chaos warp then reb and pyroblast right

[hidden ermine]

That was the lore before

But it was functionally removdd

The game of magic is just an abstract concept nowadays, unrelated to the lore

[hidden ermine]

Isnt Gandalf kind of outright a god?

Or is he more an archangel analogue

[copper pecan]

he's more like an angel than a god

[hidden ermine]

I guess thats a better analogue

But tbh my biggest issue with the ring tempts you mechanic is just that its so far off the flavour I'm not sure it was worth doing as a mechanic.

And it just looks like its play pattern isn't super interesting?

Though the first ability you get is pretty flavourful

[sleek ferry]

All I’m saying is

Wotc got me

I’m buying 2 boxes of lotr

[hidden ermine]

Im not too hot on it tbh, but I do like some of the cards shown

Now the Dr. Who decks on the other hand

I'll probably pick up one

I wanna get the 9th-11th one but that one is 100% the one that gets sold out the quickest and costs the most

Btw do we know if Frodo is the only character to get more than one card?

... besides Gandalf I suppose

[sleek ferry]

Sauron has 2

Sam wise has 2

I think every character prob has 2 tbh

Argon should have one where he’s by himself

[hidden ermine]

Doesnt Frodo have three?

[sleek ferry]

3 or 4

Also how cool is it that they made Argon black

[hidden ermine]

Oh wait

Gandalf has 3 too

Grey, White and friend of the shire

[modern minnow]

When would you say that data for a card on edhrec becomes reliable

[sleek ferry]

What are you looking for specifically

How new/old?

[modern minnow]

Like i feel like mom stuff and one stuff is still pretty underrepresented

How long after set release yeah

[sleek ferry]

Usually some of the more niche stuff will take a while

But the straight up edh playables should be there pretty fast

[hidden ermine]

Are the lotr cards modern legal, or is it just legacy and commander as usual?

[sleek ferry]

They should be modern legal

It’s a standard set no?

[hidden ermine]

I dont think it is?

Yeah its only modern, not standard

I wonder if its gonna have a modern impact

So far nothing seemed to be at a modern powerlevel?

[golden plover]

It's modern, alchemy, and commander+

[golden plover]

The dork

She's INSANE

[hidden ermine]

Alchemy?

[twilit canyon]

the dork isnt insane in modern

[hidden ermine]

I thought alchemy was just standard with erratas

[twilit canyon]

shes just good

alchemy is just standard with erratas and digital only cards

[hidden ermine]

And a few ... yeah those

[twilit canyon]

but last year they dropped commander legends battle for baldurs gate into alchemy

[hidden ermine]

I see

[twilit canyon]

this year its lotr

this is off the complaint that no prior universe beyond cards came to arena

[sleek ferry]

So you guys will probably get exclusive lotr cards in alchemy no?

[twilit canyon]

nope

just the set itself

the arena team skipped alchemy: mom to give us aftermath (lol) and this

[clever sun]

I'm actually still upset by that

[hidden ermine]

Aftermath almost feels like they want to try out minisets for Arena

[clever sun]

We are giving up 20-23 playable cards for... Aftermath?

[hidden ermine]

Faster releases so people don't burn out as quickly

[clever sun]

Ah no because Alchemy drops are mini-sets

They are 25-27 card drops

Almost all of it playable

[hidden ermine]

Ye but I mean for standard specifically

Since that's still the most popular queue?

[clever sun]

Yeah but it makes no real sense since it just complicates things for Standard

[hidden ermine]

Is it? I think it is

[clever sun]

Alchemy was where that sort of stuff was supposed to happen

[hidden ermine]

Standards already a digital format in all but name, maybe they just want to synchronise it

[clever sun]

I'm just moreso upset that instead of guaranteed 20 playable cards, we are getting 5

[twilit canyon]

ya llike

alchemy cards are always impactful to alchemy

[hidden ermine]

5 sounds like a lot for Aftermath

[twilit canyon]

and the alchemy drops are very good for the format to keep itself fresh

and some even find themselves as staples in historic

ala [[crucias, titan of the waves]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/18/crucias-titan-of-the-waves

Crucias, Titan of the Waves <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Pirate
At the beginning of your end step, you may discard a card. If you do, create a Treasure token and choose ambitious or expedient. If you chose ambitious, seek a card with greater mana value than the discarded card. If you chose expedient, seek a card with lesser mana value than the discarded card.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

and [[jarsyl, dark age scion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/20/jarsyl-dark-age-scion

Jarsyl, Dark Age Scion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Starting intensity 1
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may cast a spell with mana value equal to Jarsyl, Dark Age Scion's intensity from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If you do, perpetually increase Jarsyl's intensity by 1.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

or [[kembahs outfitter]] in the last alchemy drop

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/2/kembas-outfitter

Kemba's Outfitter <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Artificer
When Kemba's Outfitter enters the battlefield, choose one—
• Choose an Equipment card in your hand. It perpetually gains equip .
• Target Equipment you control perpetually gains equip .
2/1

[hidden ermine]

I do wonder when standard will no longer be the most popular format on Arena

[twilit canyon]

literally created an equipment aggro deck

along with 2 new alchemy equipment

[clever sun]

Yeah sick cards

Would be a shame of we got no new battles...

Or no new legends that didn't get a physical card like Phyrexian Koma

[hidden ermine]

Oh yeah that was a thing

We also only got one phyrexianised Theros god didn't we?

[golden plover]

Yeah despite the entire mono-color cycle getting compleated

Instead we had to waste slots making pws desparked so you can use them as your commander

[sleek ferry]

Never, unless we legitly get 4 player hbrawl

Standard in an online sim works so fucking good

[golden plover]

Haven't they said 4 player isn't possible in arena?

[clever sun]

Modern might dethrone standard on arena when arena eventually gets there

[clever sun]

No just that it would be very difficult

[golden plover]

Iirc they've said it straight up cannot run more than 2 players in a game

[hidden ermine]

Isnt historic Brawl catching up fast already.

[golden plover]

Sorta?

It's got a lot of edh staples now but it's also missing a TON

[hidden ermine]

And historic constructed is like 30% of the queues when they last showed the numbers

[sleek ferry]

In saying all that, I’ve already stated how problematic I think current standard is

[hidden ermine]

Err

Of the constructed queues

[sleek ferry]

Current standard might be the highest powered standard of all time (not a bad thing at all, this is actually a good thing because it means we’re getting actual impactful cards in new sets)

The issue lies in the balance of power. my main issue being just how far white is in terms of tools available to them

Not even saying white is the strongest color (even though I do believe this to be true), but the versatility and splashability of white rn is pretty unmatched

[copper pecan]

it's not even close to the highest powered standard of all time

urzas block standard literally had ftk decks

[sleek ferry]

I guess I should have said in the arena era

[clever sun]

Nah that was still Throne of Eldraine Oko

[hidden ermine]

Good old Broko

... huh, wonder if he got desparked

[golden plover]

Wait holy shit. Did the artist for the flip legends lair plagiarize the original print of revenger?

Prismatic Bridge Bolas

I'm pretty sure they just copied the head directly off this one and filtered it

[clever sun]

Doesn't seem that similar

[golden plover]

It looks like it's exactly the same

Not the body or anything

But I think they literally just copy pasted the head onto a body

[clever sun]

Oh

Ehhh

[golden plover]

Look at the mouth smirk and ears

They line up way too close

[hidden ermine]

Im not sure its traced or the like

[clever sun]

Nah it's close but there are details drawn on that are different

[hidden ermine]

But it is probably a redraw of the same thing

Not sure if it reaches the level of plagiarism

[golden plover]

I dunno, imma try lining up the heads in Photoshop in a minute

[hidden ermine]

It is very close

[golden plover]

It looks identical

Down to the horn patterns

I think they just took the head off the original and put it on their Bolas body

Since the one they drew bolas on is a lot different

They line up almost 1:1

I fucked up the proportions a bit when dragging it, but all the details line up in the same spots on both

[dense berry]

thats 100% art theft

look at the level of detailwork in the face vs the rest of the body

[copper pecan]

yeah that's definitely sus

[golden plover]

Artist friend checked behind me

It's 100% traced

Reason mine didn't line up right was because they squished the head when copying it

Details line up perfectly if you squish the head

Damn

According to them, the eyes being in the exact same spots is the most damning thing

WAIT HOW HAVE BOTH PLAGARISMS BEEN BOLAS LMAO

[copper pecan]

looking more closely at this, the head is drawn in a completely different style from the rest of the picture

[golden plover]

Yeah

Now that I did this, I cannot unsee it

The head is DRASTICALLY different

Man that sucks

They've got a good art style. Dunno why they had to copy-paste the head off arisen

[trail anvil]

wow people really fucking hate to draw bolas

[dense berry]

same character and the same style of plagiarism

at least this time they plagiarized an artwork that actually made it into the game instead of plagiarizing an artist who wanted their art in mtg but wotc didnt hire them

[glad peak]

That could all be true but it could also be true that wotc kept rejecting his initial art due to how bolas looked which is why he just copypasta’d

Lots of things that could’ve happened

[dense berry]

i would assume its something along the lines of wotc being extremely anal retentive about the design of bolas as you said

though that only particularly makes sense in this instance where the bolas art is from a printed card that exists already

whereas the strixhaven plagiarism was ripped off of a deviantart user

who wanted their art in the game

but couldnt get it in

https://twitter.com/omgscarypet/status/1376180852070174725

𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚛𝚢𝚙𝚎𝚝 (@omgscarypet)

Should I be flattered?hehe.But seriously,#MtG has been a major influence that developed my love for making art. (and I've sent application/portfolio many times to WotC.) Now someone told me my art made it into a Card! Ironically,in a somewhat s̷t̷o̷l̷e̷n̷ way #MTGStrixhaven

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[atomic harness]

why is it always 80l45

[golden plover]

Man I'm getting the worst responses for pointing out the stolen head thing

I did the first tho? And if I dmed the artist, they'd probably just not reply

[glad peak]

I mean, you could’ve posted the side by side or a vid of a photoshop overlay like that one artist did

Unless you did and they still responded that way

[golden plover]

I posted an overlay pic, but I didn't do a video or anything

Have the two arts side by side and then

https://preview.redd.it/zy004lrw8cya1.jpg?width=458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=28889ab147f961d8a0816396fc0325a1ed699b88

[hidden ermine]

Its so close that I dont think you could get that structure just from redrawing?

[golden plover]

The most damming thing is the eyes

They're exactly the same, and I really don't think you could do that by redrawing

[dense berry]

my gf has an art degree and says its almost certainly a copy and paste job

I would say look at the eyes and nose theyre the same

but really

look at anything on the face

its the same

doesnt help the art style is dramatically different between the head and body and that the artist has already drawn bolas before where they did a similar body but left the face specifically shrouded in silhouette

[atomic harness]

True

[dense berry]

try to reach svetlin velinov

[golden plover]

Oh yeah my artist friend was saying the same thing. And I have a graphic design degree and sportted it instantly too

Will do

[dense berry]

https://twitter.com/velinovart

apparently his dms are open

[golden plover]

I'll shoot him a message then

Oh right, my Twitter is broken because they fucked with 2FA

[dense berry]

ill dm him

though with how much traction your reddit post seems to have

id be surprised if nobody else has yet

[golden plover]

True

[dense berry]

done

[golden plover]

Nice

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1655274825215082497?s=19

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

Starting with the release of Wilds of Eldraine, standard rotation is changing. Standard sets will now rotate every three years instead of two to improve the overall tabletop Standard experience.

Read about how and why the change is coming on DailyMTG: https://t.co/0XAC3wdrwW

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[fallow citrus]

wild

[fallow citrus]

(s of eldraine)

[hidden ermine]

That ... is an odd change

[twilit canyon]

alchemy is on 2 years still lets fucking goooo

[glad peak]

Hopefully eventually standard just becomes extended

[twilit canyon]

seems to be the move

[hidden ermine]

Probably, but it just makes me wonder what their goal is exactly

[twilit canyon]

they detail it in the article

[hidden ermine]

Yeah no I get their stated reasons but to me it reads as "people dont like standard because its standard, so we want to make standard more like the formats they do like, instead of just pushing those formats"

Which is just a weird take to me

[trail anvil]

wait so kamigawa et al won't rotate with eldraine? or is it the one after that?

[hidden ermine]

No rotation this year, yes

[trail anvil]

I hope they're banning fable then

[hidden ermine]

I do find it funny though that basically every problem they see with standard and want to address is basically just "the format rotates"

I guess theyre hoping that making it rotate slower at least alleviates some of those issues

[twilit canyon]

it should

it should also help card pool inconsistencies

ex: when an archetype gets end of rotation support that will see 4 months of play tops b4 next standard

[fallow citrus]

hm

might make me play standard at my locals then

[hidden ermine]

That can still happen

Thats more of an issue with their non-block structure and futureproofing

I can see this helping with some issues at least

Doubt it will bring back paper standard though

[golden plover]

Yeah, this just seems kinda pointless

[hidden ermine]

I dont think its pointless per se

I just think its not going to accomplish what they want, and Im not sure why they want to accomplish it

[golden plover]

I mean, I get the logic, but it doesn't solve the problems with standard

[waxen timber]

I've been doing my missions a lot recently cause I wanted to get a nest egg before a new standard without fable and shelodred

Like as a person who loves green, it is going to continue being miserable facing really strong rackdos for another year

The only green that sees play is ramp in five color piles

[fallow citrus]

Think that's the biggest thing

If they keep standard around longer they need to start policing the format more

like rakdos being good for three years would be awful for the enjoyment of the format

[golden plover]

Yeah it's gonna leave standard having to deal with miserable cards for another year

Shelly and Fable need to go if that's gonna be the case

[waxen timber]

I think Raffine also should be added to the list of cards that should be banned

Aftermath is going to super charge him

[dense berry]

a lengthier rotation cycle will increase the power level of the format so idt this will necessitate more bans

[waxen timber]

There are some cards that scale really well the power level of the format

Like fable sees play in standard, pioneer, modern and legacy

I feel like raffine will see play as a top tier deck if it is left alone for another year

[twilit canyon]

yea it will decrease need for some bans but some cards like fable would instead become an issue

[lusty trench]

Looks like I have to retire my mizzix deck

Bit sad

[fallow citrus]

how come

[lusty trench]

Deck just too strong for my group

[dense berry]

post list

[lusty trench]

I don't have a list made up

It's basically just cause they either don't play blue or get greedy and dont keep up mana for a counterspell

[dense berry]

are you terrorizing casuals with a mizzix storm deck

[lusty trench]

Nah these are my friends, I win by drawing a shit ton then dualcastering twinflame

Legit all they have to do is counter the dualcaster

I have no other wincon in the deck

[dense berry]

are infinites typically okay

[lusty trench]

Yeah the others win by like infinite docksides into a mana sink, or infinite turns into thassas

Hell one of them also has the combo in the deck

[dense berry]

once you're comboing with cockside contortionist you cant complain about other players using combos

so i doubt you need to take your deck apart

[hidden ermine]

It was above

[zinc shard]

Gotcha

[lusty trench]

Nah my deck is just too fast for em, I get too much value and consistently too

[glad peak]

Try just changing the commander and if they still complain, tell them to gitgud

[dense berry]

just bring my list next week see how they like that

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HoI3s2BuZUGVZX2EZb_Lbg

[sleek ferry]

Standard rotating every 3 years idk how to feel about this

[clever sun]

It should be better?

[trail anvil]

it's better for those who felt bad about their cards rotating after they bought them in paper

it might make the format a bit staler but hopefully they're good with the bans

[sleek ferry]

I kinda liked the 2 year rotation tbh, I get the paper argument and if they want to bring it back to paper then it makes sense

But like, can standard ever truly come back to paper with mtga being so easily accessible?

[trail anvil]

I think that's what they're aiming for, cause you gotta sell paper sets

and you can't exactly sell standard sets to only pioneer/modern etc

[hidden ermine]

You could just give up on standard

And yknow, draft still sells them

[sleek ferry]

Yeah draft still sells them, as does viability for other formats

The only sets I personally would have felt were complete wastes of money in recent times are like theros beyond death and whichever one of the 2 innistrads was worse

Maybe both

[trail anvil]

draft will only sell them to a degree I imagine

[trail anvil]

you say that, but it feels like people have said "this set feels really weak" about almost every recent set besides kamigawa

[hidden ermine]

More than standard Im fairly certain

Draft is like the second-most popular paper format

Excluding kitchen table

Its like, commander, draft (or limited in general ig but the point stands), modern, and then standard?

Or maybe Pioneer overtook Standard already

[trail anvil]

I'm sure draft is more popular than standard, but they need to make money off standard too in their eyes

[hidden ermine]

I suppose thats their calculus

Well to a point

We have more non-standard product than ever

Actually maybe its not, maybe they just want to recapture a market they lost

Between draft, commander product and the pop culture tie-ins I doubt Wizards is running out of money anytime soon

[trail anvil]

oh no they aren't running out of money at all, but making each format profitable doesn't sound like a bad idea, especially given all main sets are basically geared towards standard

[hidden ermine]

I suppose

I just dont see it working out

The cats out of the bag, unless they revert the ~2015 changes to FNM (Which would cause a lot of backlash) I dont think you can revitalise paper standard

[waxen timber]

I don't see how this makes standard more profitable

Like lets say there is this really cool 4 drop black creature that comes out in Eldraine 2. With sheoldred still legal, either that cool new card sees no play since it is weaker or it is better than sheoldred which makes the format miserable

[hidden ermine]

The point is to make it profitable by making it popular

They want to solve some of the issues standard has as a format

Which they mostly do by making it less standard but I digress

The reasoning here is that slowing down rotation allows them to create more synergistic decks and avoids the problem of people only being able to play with their favourite cards for at most 2 years

Basically avoid the midrange sludge that standard has suffered from

Will it actually work out that way? Probably not. But thats the idea

[sleek ferry]

Weak is different than sellable imo. Like strixhaven was a pretty weak set, but man was it sellable for more than nostalgia reasons

Like I know a lot of people that bought strixhaven for the mystical archives, including myself

And those same people would not touch midnight hunt or crimson vow with a 10 foot pole

Or a better example for crimson vow would be Ikoria vs Crimson Vow, since the concept is more similar

9/10 people I know would touch an Ikoria box before they even think about considering Crimson Vow

[hidden ermine]

Yeah they do also sell sets based on a mix of nostalgia or just aesthetics

Its like Pokemon, a lot of pokemon packs are sold without the buyer intending to play the game

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, idk, I just personally feel like the nostalgia for sets like theros beyond death and innistrad missed bad, but I will preface this by saying I was not around during the OG visits to those planes, but me as a newer player could have cared less about those sets

[hidden ermine]

Innistrad did miss the mark

Theros is ... harder to evaluate

Theros did have the issue of not having a proper story

And a few fairly hamfisted choices in the design

[atomic harness]

THB

[sleek ferry]

It was really like Thassa, Kroxa and Uro, and then Klothys to a lesser extent

You had Thassa’s oracle and underworld breach as edh power houses also

[dense berry]

all they have to do to sell is reprint fetches

[atomic harness]

loot when will monkey be cheap

and cockside centrist

[glad peak]

Monke is the cheapest they’ve ever been (barring when they were first printed)

[sleek ferry]

Dockside will be cheap one day trust

Also didn’t monkey get reprinted for mom?

Or is that collectors boxes only?

[atomic harness]

Mom one is still 50

[glad peak]

50 is hella cheap for a monke

It was trending towards 100

[hidden ermine]

50 is still a lot for an already reprinted card you need a full playset of

[glad peak]

It’s a lot but it’s still the cheapest it’s been so just buy them, win back what you spent, and all is good

[fallow citrus]

alternatively play a monkeless deck

[atomic harness]

Yeah I'm coping by not playing either

[glad peak]

Also modern is no stranger to that sort of thing (shudders in $100-150 tarns)

[fallow citrus]

personally thinking of playing scales rn

[atomic harness]

im just here for funny casual games anyway

[sleek ferry]

Well Ren only needs 1 copy

[atomic harness]

im gonna go buy chaos angel instead

[sleek ferry]

Also like $50 isn’t that bad when you think about like

$100 access codes

[glad peak]

I don’t think scales is all that different in terms of budget

[sleek ferry]

Or yeah, isn’t chaos angel over $50’also

Better off buying the monkey in the new art which is sick

[fallow citrus]

most of the scales money comes from inkmoth and saga

[glad peak]

And boseiju which recently spiked

[atomic harness]

it's at 50 but I play ygo competitively and edh is just funny fun time so id rather that

[fallow citrus]

I already have my boseiju

[glad peak]

(Relatively recently at least, last time I saw it was $15)

So same budget

[sleek ferry]

But look at the arts Renny boy! (I’m messing with you, but do look at the arts)

[fallow citrus]

well scales is just naturally cheaper than a lot of ragavan decks anyway

not by any crazy amount

[sleek ferry]

Marisol also did say to me once Magali Villanueve is like an elite artist also

So this isn’t a super fair comparison

[glad peak]

Tbf I also did have pretty much all of murky anyways, red blue staples.dek is always good

[rigid scarab]

Where's chaos angel's face

[fallow citrus]

biblically accurate chaos angel

[hidden ermine]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/716690398742003712/shouldnt-the-ring-have-negative-effects-flavor#notes

Since we had a discussion about the mechanic yesterday or so

They did playtest the ring with a drawback, people just didnt play it

[atomic harness]

[hidden ermine]

It makes sense

[atomic harness]

Yeah

was discussed last night

[hidden ermine]

I wonder if someone asked about making it more monarch-like

Because thats the one thing that bothers me the most

[golden plover]

It makes sense, but it still feels like they shouldn't have used it then

[hidden ermine]

Also I love how someone askeda bout bringing extended back to which MaRo replied with "There is currently not a lot of demand for a large rotating format."

Literally on the same day as them announcing standard is moving closer to extended

[golden plover]

I guess they more realistically don't want their new UB product designed to pull players in have a downside mechanic

Although... What new player is gonna read the ring text and go "oh yeah that sounds great. I wanna play that"

No mechanic should need 2 different reminder text cards to play

This is what a card looks like with all the ring text on it btw

[twilit canyon]

good thing they design cards that are separate from the card itself so that the text isnt like that

and instead can be conveniently placed on a reminder text card

[dense berry]

monke will be cheap when the 1cmc slot in eternal formats is more powercreeped. cockside contortionist will be cheap when it gets banned in edh

[copper pecan]

people who like lord of the rings and want to play a frodo deck, probably

like the main selling point of this set is that it's lord of the rings, i don't think that's a hard sell for new players

[sleek ferry]

I can tell you it’s not

My wife isn’t the biggest fan on my tcg hobbies, but she said the lotr box is a must have

So I will now be buying 2

[zinc shard]

Festival: Historic Brawl

Oh noooo, where will I ever find a deck for this event

[trail anvil]

I think the bigger problem is that there's no matchmaking lol

so you'll run into hell queue stuff

felt kinda bad bringing garruk vs some jank commanders

[twilit canyon]

man im on some real fucking shit

to grind out rakdos in historic

[sudden lava]

I wonder what other new slivers we are gonna get in the precon

[fallow citrus]

I want Sliver Sliver

[hidden ermine]

Silver Sliver

[glad peak]

And the artifact sliver silver

[sleek ferry]

and the other artifact Sliver's liver

[glad peak]

And the creature slicer sliver

And the anti sliver card: sliver slicer

[sleek ferry]

And the enchantment - curse; sliver fever

[hidden ermine]

And the treasure-generating artifact that helps you pay the manacosts, Sliver Silver

[sudden lava]

Gold Sliver, All Slivers get "On ETB, create a treasure token"

ruling question, if I encore this while I have 3 opponents remaining, how many artifacts/enchantments can I kill?

[hidden ermine]

6 I think

No, 9 apparently

[sudden lava]

thats freaking hilarious

[glad peak]

Yep they all enter at the same time and see each other

[twilit canyon]

they see each other, say hi, and cause mayhem

[hidden ermine]

The thing I wasnt sure on is if Harmonic Sliver triggers itself

[sudden lava]

sadly first sliver doesnt proc on encore

since it creates tokens, not cast em. At least any other sliver you cast will get triple cascade

[lusty trench]

Me when the Voltron player gets annoyed when I respond to their boots equip

Like bro if I don't interact with it now I can't interact with it until I either get a board wipe or die

[glad peak]

Imagine being mad someone interacts with you because you’re trying to make interaction impossible

[lusty trench]

It's so confusing

[lusty trench]

Tell you what a reprint I wouldn't mind is steelshapers gift

[clever sun]

I hate EDH players for that reason

[lusty trench]

The worst part about it is there was a token spam player and I physically couldn't deal with them because they kept trying to just make a big guy like that doesn't help

[broken fjord]

Had a omnath player get super salty losing to my Zurgo because I board wiped him. He had made a huge board, used Scapeshift to extend further, and drew a ton because he had tatyova. So I wrathed the board because none of it had haste, so he didn't win that turn. Used Slayers Stronghold and swung for game.

I told him that boardwipes are part of the ganeplan of the deck. It's Zurgo. Even the store owner agreed he was being dramatic, and they were good friends. People just don't like it when you interact at all sometimes.

[trail anvil]

sounds like they needed a better win con :^)

[broken fjord]

You're not wrong. He thought he was winning, and felt cheated that he lost like that. He even told me that I should take out the boardwipes because they're unfair. That's the kind of player he was.

[glad peak]

boardwipes are unfair
mass landfall draw the entire deck is fine

[mystic aspen]

Hmm... the Standard change is interesting.

[broken fjord]

None of this stuff bothers me, since I like it when people get upset when I win. But I also know I'm weird, and that most people get tired of players like that.

[glad peak]

It’s not you being weird, it’s a bunch of players being unreasonable

Same reason as to why I’m confused when 5 color decks get mad when their decks get hosed by a turn 11 blood moon

[broken fjord]

No. I think it's weird that I get a rise out of them. Even if it's a friend of mine. If I didn't have any common sense, I'd be a pubstomper.

[glad peak]

I mean, that could be true too, but so many players are just unreasonably greedy and get so mad when you actually interact with them

And then accuse you of being an uninteractive pubstomper

Too many times this happened to be for running anger of the gods

[broken fjord]

At least my friend admits he hates being interacted with and that it's a personal thing.

You counter his commander and he's liable to scoop right there

I run a decent amount of interaction. I'm generally the guy who polices the board.

[zinc shard]

Now THIS is Pod Racing

[dense berry]

i built a jhoira 1.0 deck just to force players in my lgs to have to play interaction

[broken fjord]

I built a few decks like that. In most pods that play with me, people tend to slot in more interaction after a few days of playing against me.

Which I welcome.

[dense berry]

i also keep my sans green cedh deck around in case people refuse to interact and just wanna race

[broken fjord]

I have 2 very high power decks that either slow things down(Preston Stax) or force interaction(Slicer Aggro Stax).

Nothing makes people slot in interaction faster than a deck that can easily threaten turn 2 lethal.

[dense berry]

luckily my cedh pod is already very high on interaction

im usually playing turbo but we have a dedicated stax guy and a dedicated midranger

[twilit canyon]

slight update to lurrus control

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/MTG_Arena/status/1656020248536190976?s=20

MTG Arena (@MTG_Arena)

If this tweet gets one like, we'll release #MTGAftermath two days early.

▶ Play video

Twitter · May 9, 2023, 7:36 PM

aftermath is going live today

wtf

[golden plover]

Somebody better send the pinkertons after Wotc

[twilit canyon]

draft will be live too

[twilit canyon]

how

they have the pinkerton plug

[low flicker]

my friend was teaching me magic as of late and she ugined me from this

you may say I overextended

but I say I was not prepared for a total field wipe

[hidden ermine]

Oh god is that Cockatrice?

[twilit canyon]

it is

[low flicker]

popping off feels really bad when your friend is using a cheesy combo on you

[hidden ermine]

My condolences Copper

(For the Cockatrice, not the match)

[low flicker]

lmao

[twilit canyon]

[[craterhoof behemoth]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/385/craterhoof-behemoth

Craterhoof Behemoth <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
Haste
When Craterhoof Behemoth enters the battlefield, creatures you control gain trample and get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of creatures you control.
Its footsteps of today are the lakes of tomorrow.
5/5

[twilit canyon]

with that much mana, destroy them

also [[finale of devastation]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/war/160/finale-of-devastation

Finale of Devastation <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library and/or graveyard for a creature card with mana value X or less and put it onto the battlefield. If you search your library this way, shuffle. If X is 10 or more, creatures you control get +X/+X and gain haste until end of turn.
Some spells sing a quiet tune. Others roar.

[low flicker]

i almost had the out to her stupid cheesy combo

but I misplayed

[fallow citrus]

cockatrice is fine

[trail anvil]

anybody tried anything new with mom aftermath?

humans are probably the most obvious boost but I feel like that new selesnya instant might be nice for naya or something

[twilit canyon]

ya i have been trying out jirina in historic humans

shes solid

[sleek ferry]

Anything cool for Gruul?

[twilit canyon]

green

lol

lmao

imagine

[trail anvil]

open the way was seen as a decent tool for gruul ramp

[twilit canyon]

unfort

it looks at top 2 in standard

[trail anvil]

that deck is like by no means tier 1 but it's a fun thing to fight with

[twilit canyon]

and hbrawl

and alchemy

its a fake x spell

[trail anvil]

people were speculating on the card even in a 2-player format cause it's either a 3 mana get 1 land on field or 4 mana get 2 lands but idk

especially cause it can grab 2c/3c lands

[twilit canyon]

3 mana get 1 land is a really atrocious rate

[sleek ferry]

Meant more for like explorer

Since I’ve been having more fun there lately than in standard

[trail anvil]

uh nothing for gruul in explorer I imagine

for monogreen maybe nissa is fine with explorer elves? idk

[atomic harness]

Good ole bissa

[trail anvil]

ay let's fuckin go

[atomic harness]

[[grafted butcher]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/109/grafted-butcher

Grafted Butcher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Samurai
When Grafted Butcher enters the battlefield, Phyrexians you control gain menace until end of turn.
Other Phyrexians you control get +1/+1.
, Sacrifice an artifact or creature: Return Grafted Butcher from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2

[low flicker]

So far my only win against my friend who’s teaching me MTG is runes of deus target savage ventmaw

[copper pecan]

the only adjective nounmaw you need is colossal dreadmaw

[low flicker]

I know

[last glen]

[[Open the Way]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mat/23/open-the-way

Open the Way <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
X can't be greater than the number of players in the game.
Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal X land cards. Put those land cards onto the battlefield tapped and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

[golden plover]

I dunno, this seems really bad

Especially in 1v1

[glad peak]

Seems great in formats where you only have dark depths and thespian on deck and everything else is moxes

Go all in

[twilit canyon]

lmao

8-land depths incoming?

its especially awful nowdays tho given the prevalence of solitude

honestly even brazen borrower has done untold damage to the viability of depths tbh

[dense berry]

in most ways its better than [[explosive vegetation]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/132/explosive-vegetation

Explosive Vegetation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Torching Krosa would be pointless. It grows faster than it burns.

[twilit canyon]

yea tho explosive has been crept a few times already

[[migration path]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/135/migration-path

Migration Path <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

[broken fjord]

The furthest I go for ramp is Harrow or [[Primal Growth]] in more aristocrats builds. 4 cmc for ramp feels so bad.

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https://scryfall.com/card/cma/137/primal-growth

Primal Growth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Kicker—Sacrifice a creature. (You may sacrifice a creature in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle. If this spell was kicked, instead search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[atomic harness]

any nissa's pilgrimage fans in chat

[sleek ferry]

[[nissa’s pilgrimage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c17/155/nissas-pilgrimage

Nissa's Pilgrimage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic Forest cards, reveal those cards, and put one onto the battlefield tapped and the rest into your hand. Then shuffle.
Spell mastery — If there are two or more instant and/or sorcery cards in your graveyard, search your library for up to three basic Forest cards instead of two.

[dense berry]

[[skyshroud claim]] isnt too bad but id much rather play natures lore and three visits since theyre half the cost for half the effect

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https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/213/skyshroud-claim

Skyshroud Claim <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for up to two Forest cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
The forest's constant struggle is to keep the spreading flowstone at bay.

[zinc shard]

So what do people think of Ob Nixilis/All Will Be One combo?

Rakdos is already the best color combo in Standard

[golden plover]

[[All Will be One]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one

All Will Be One <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more counters on a permanent or player, All Will Be One deals that much damage to target opponent, creature an opponent controls, or planeswalker an opponent controls.
The Invasion Tree broke through the Blind Eternities and sent Phyrexian perfection coursing across the Multiverse.

[golden plover]

Feels like too much mana

[sudden lava]

I thought of a dumb idea

Horsemanship Sliver

[lusty trench]

The last thing those little bastards need is more evasion

But it would be very funny

[fallow citrus]

banding sliver

[lusty trench]

Now this I can get behind

Because it'd force sliver players to think

[dense berry]

dash sliver come on wotc

[modern minnow]

phasing sliver

[golden plover]

Abyssal Persecutor Sliver

[modern minnow]

unironically though myriad and dethrone sliver both seem pretty neat

sliki-jiki

[dense berry]

think about a dash sliver with the etb proc slivers

[golden plover]

Even better for abyssal Persecutor Sliver: Hes one of the old ones that affects everyone

[twilit canyon]

i want a sliver that gives cfe to slivers

[sudden lava]

bushido sliver

[twilit canyon]

no thats pointless

my cfe sliver would probably break cedh

[modern minnow]

ragavan sliver

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1105941539609395200/image.png?width=368&height=602

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[twilit canyon]

id be upset if its true

[hidden ermine]

Is there even a way to remove poison counters in standard

[clever sun]

Yeah they dropped a few cards for it

None good

[trail anvil]

[[glissa sunslayer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer

Glissa Sunslayer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Zombie Elf
First strike, deathtouch
Whenever Glissa Sunslayer deals combat damage to a player, choose one —
• You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Remove up to three counters from target permanent.
3/3

[trail anvil]

damn that's only permanents

[clever sun]

Oh shit are they all permanents only? Huh

[trail anvil]

I don't think there's anything that removes poison, but ik there's something that prevents more poison

[clever sun]

I know Melira does

[trail anvil]

I guess they didn't want her to contradict the flavor and be able to remove poison lol

[copper pecan]

there's like one card that can remove poison in the entire game

[[leeches]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/me4/18/leeches

Leeches <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Target player loses all poison counters. Leeches deals that much damage to that player.
"Where our potions and powders fail, perhaps nature will succeed." —Reyhan, Samite Alchemist

[copper pecan]

i think this is the only one

[trail anvil]

ooh nice flavor

I'm kinda surprised anti-proliferate hasn't been a thing yet

[clever sun]

It'd be extremely niche

They printed an entire Poison Proliferate deck and it is so far from meta

They printed Venerated Rotpriest and it is so far from meta

Imagine if decks had tools to invalidate both of those decks

They would be so dead on arrival

[trail anvil]

it's all because melira is holding them back /s

[copper pecan]

they deliberately don't print cards that can remove poison because they don't want it to just be a second life total

[clever sun]

Right

I thought we got some recently but yeah they are only permanents

[hidden ermine]

I mean i guess it makes sense, itd be too parasitic ontop of an already arguably parasitic mechanic

But its funny that that was randomly included on the Φuesting beast

[clever sun]

The bigger question is

Who is Quest

and why did they compleat (Mr.) Beast?

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1105941982255259788/image.png?width=372&height=611

[hidden ermine]

Where are you getting these from

[clever sun]

Magiccon

[copper pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7uk8A4k3wo

[hidden ermine]

Then Im even more confused by the Φuesting beast

[copper pecan]

https://youtu.be/sImiwohnUYg

new lore not mentioned anywhere else for some reason

•Wanderer was desparked and is staying on Kamigawa
•Omenpaths are slower and more dangerous than planeswalking
•The realms of Kaldheim have been indefinitely connected
•The invasion was particularly costly for New Argive
•The Dimir are “rumored to be abandoned or gone”
•Norn, Jin, Sheoldred, and Urabrask are all dead, but Vorinclex’s fate is unknown (he specifically points out how Vorinclex was able to get a body back in Kaldheim)
•The pantheon of Theros is experiencing a power vacuum of sorts (the previous gods could come back in theory, but when you see your gods get compleated and killed, would you still worship them?)

[modern minnow]

isn't the dimir thing kinda just their thing

[hidden ermine]

Yeah the dimir part like

Means literally nothing

Hate that Urabrask is dead dead

Completely wasted character

[copper pecan]

same

[twilit canyon]

rip to a real one

if wotc had good writers, urabraks would be confirmed alive and leading a new age of phyrexians

[hidden ermine]

Idk how I feel about the Wanderer one

[twilit canyon]

wanderer found closure... way too soon

[hidden ermine]

This does confirm however that the desparking happened after the invasion, not during it

Yeah her arc was just kinda

Short

[twilit canyon]

came in, had 1 of the most broken pwers ever, leaves

[hidden ermine]

But yeah weird that the sylexs explosion randomly delayed its effect

[twilit canyon]

i have a feeling it took a while cus realmbreaker closed

energy was able to travel along the multiverse and then suddenly it was caught up entirely in the blind eternities

[hidden ermine]

It kinda was entirely in the blind eternities to begin with, no?

[twilit canyon]

it was

[golden plover]

Wait the wanderer thing is weird af

[hidden ermine]

The Omenbreaker did its thing after Elspeth did it

[golden plover]

Why'd they randomly despark her when her storyline was about trying to fix her weird spark

Also yeah, they really wasted Urabrask

Vorinclex being maybe alive is stupid, he's not like an intimidating villain on his own

[twilit canyon]

yea thats what i mean

i think she causes too many story-issues tho

from a writing perspective

same w teferi

[golden plover]

It really does feel like they randomly drew names from hats to see who got desparked

[twilit canyon]

nah i think its lorwyn 5 + a few others

[golden plover]

Like it's very few fan favorites, and it's just kinda random

Tyvar just started having a story arc

[twilit canyon]

ashiok gets to keep their spark bc they are a baddie with no equal

[golden plover]

This just completely ignores Karn's sacrifice

[hidden ermine]

Its probably mostly random

[twilit canyon]

yea i hate tyvar and wanderer losing their spark

2 of the coolest new walkers

[golden plover]

And this just also invalidates Wanderer's whole thing

[hidden ermine]

Else the consequences would feel almost meaningless because none of the current troupe is desparked

But I am shocked about Wanderer

I figured Wanderer would be safe

[twilit canyon]

same cus she is so new

same with tyvar but alas

[golden plover]

And it's also random characters who haven't had a card in years

Like Sarkhan, Narset, and Kiora could be used for cool stuff but I guess not

[twilit canyon]

my big thing from a writer's perspective, wanderer def causes an issue

they made her too strong

[golden plover]

I mean, yeah. But they could have just powered her down and kept her spark

[hidden ermine]

I mean, her drawback is still relevant isnt it

[golden plover]

Hell, this is the same lore with Animatou in it

[twilit canyon]

not very

[golden plover]

We know a villain can never succeed because Animatou exists

[twilit canyon]

the whole thing with wanderer is that she had learned to master her volatile spark

[golden plover]

If a villain would get close, she'd just wish them out of existence

[twilit canyon]

and could use it aggressively like when she planeswalked from her throne in kamigawa to another part of kamigawa and cut jin in half

[golden plover]

I assume she also can't get desparked considering she could just wish her spark back

Technically, they could have it so she could just wish everyone's sparks back immediately too

[twilit canyon]

losing the spark cost nissa a lot of her powers

so if animatou lost her spark

idk

[golden plover]

Her existence invalidates anything lorewise more than the Wanderer

I assume she can't lose it tho, considering she'd just wish for a new one

She wished her spark into existence in the first place

Before she even had it

[twilit canyon]

she was always a walker tho

just hadnt sparked

she just didnt want the trauma to activate it

in any case, she is another prime suspect of someone who lost their spark to include in stories more

omenpaths do mean these characters can still travel around

just de-powered to have in stories and such

so far tho only confirmed walkers with sparks

ajani
ashiok
chandra

i am gonna assume quintorius

if we are going by lorwyn 5

garruk
liliana
jace

[copper pecan]

i'd assume that quint probably still has a spark since it would be weird to spark him and then just have him lose it immediately

[twilit canyon]

itd be weird but also incredibly funny

also

i am gonna assume that kasmina has kept her spark

just a hunch

and maybe ugin too

[golden plover]

Whatever happened to Basri

Why do they hate him

[lusty trench]

They just couldn't figure out what they wanted with him

Like err

Tayo

[twilit canyon]

basri should be back on amonkhet?

[golden plover]

Amonkhet has just been constantly done dirty

[lusty trench]

They needed a new white planeswalker now that Gideon is gone and they gave us basri and tayo

[golden plover]

Samut got like two appearances, Basri got all of one

[lusty trench]

Neither of which I know anything about cause they haven't done anything

[hidden ermine]

You mean Teyo?

The shield dude who was introduced in the worst story arc in recent times and promptly forgotten, right?

[lusty trench]

Probably

Yeah

[hidden ermine]

Yeah idk if theyre gonna do much with him

Hell, I wouldnt be shocked if he either never appears again or appears already desparked

[golden plover]

They introduced so many walkers to just waste

[lusty trench]

The world series planes walkers also haven't done much iirc

But that's because their product was awful lmao

[golden plover]

Calix, Nikko, Teyo, Davriel has consistently been done dirty, Mu and Jiang, etc

Kiora doesn't get a card in like 5 years and then gets desparked randomly lmao

[lusty trench]

Me waiting patiently for magic to actually release a good golgari self mill commander

[modern minnow]

where is john abzan lifegain

[golden plover]

Honestly

[lusty trench]

Tynma and ikra shidiqi

[twilit canyon]

tymna and ikra dont do lifegain much more than they lose it

[lusty trench]

Oh I thought the goal was like

Life gain triggers

[dense berry]

this story looks like a hard plug pull from the suits

like they were building up to something but before they could fully set the stage for all the important pieces to line up they were forced to run the big climax set immediately

[golden plover]

I think the writers wanted a lot more planes merging and destruction

[twilit canyon]

need money

[golden plover]

Look at all the key art for MOM

It's showing characters teaming up from other planes

And that never happened

Also the desparking is totally a commander change

They wanted a way to make people who like certain walkers have them as commanders and I assume the RC won't change the rule

So they just desparked them

[dense berry]

hot take they should just make all walkers usable as commanders

would have solved everything

there isnt anything at all that would be imbalanced

[golden plover]

Honestly yeah

But I assume the RC doesn't want that because they're ancient

[dense berry]

3cmc narset sounds gross but like

mono blue stax isnt that op

[golden plover]

War Tef and Narset could get banned or whatever and leave the rest open

I wanna play war Tezzeret as a commander

[twilit canyon]

war tef and narset arent viable as commanders tho

narset loses out on a good chunk of wheels and has no inherent combos

she is just a bit annoying but if that was the bar to ban

there would be way more banned commanders

[golden plover]

Tef is bad, but he'd be fun

Well as a commander

Actually he'd probably be better than Narset

Yeah no, I think Tef would be remotely okay

Not broken broken, but problematic enough

[dense berry]

war karn would be kinda legit tbh

[golden plover]

Oh true

You don't even need the wishboard effect

[twilit canyon]

nah

hes not great

mono-brown has nothing insane

[dense berry]

i would imagine karn is the insane thing to have access to in the command zone

[twilit canyon]

maybe for value but theres no wishboard in edh

all he guarantees is that artifacts exiled dont ever get exiled forever

[sleek ferry]

Oh I didn’t even realize Selesnya got a new toy for their deck

Welp

[golden plover]

More notably his passive

Getting that from the command zone is silly

[clever sun]

It's not a particularly good passive

Until you go to cEDH

But then, he's too slow

[broken fjord]

War Karn has performed well for me. It's really just the passive though.

[dense berry]

mono brown is actually still pretty fast

there is a guy who frequents my cedh pods who has kozilek built

the main problem isnt the speed its that dockside eats the deck alive

which karn incidentally helps with nicely

[atomic harness]

misty is this similar to what you were talking abt

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/food-chain-sliver/

[twilit canyon]

a classic list

but yea

kinda

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

granted this is what i was talking about in regards to the slivers right

[atomic harness]

Yeah

you just replace the cfe guy here with a cfe silver right

Or uh do you run more slivers since the cfe guy gives them cfe?

[twilit canyon]

we can do more slivers

cus some can become a wincon if they are all cfes

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

basically it helps first sliver become a 1 card combo with food chain

cus u can very aggressively tainted pact for food chain

[atomic harness]

Goated

[trail anvil]

where do you think standard would end up if they do end up banning fable?

I feel like that would give more room for esper and monowhite but rakdos/grixis would still be up there

[twilit canyon]

fable ban reduces atraxa but just defaults back to esper

[sleek ferry]

Is fable really on the chopping block?

[twilit canyon]

atraxa, grixis, and the 4-5c midrange

[twilit canyon]

yea

especially if it will be around for another year

[trail anvil]

it got 50%+ representation at the last big event right?

[sleek ferry]

Is that confirmed? I interpreted the tweet as “after next rotation we will start a 3 year long rotation cycle”

If it starts now then I suppose it makes sense to ban fable

[trail anvil]

pretty sure it was confirmed that they weren't rotating standard with eldraine, it's certainly been passed around a lot here

if it did rotate then I don't think anybody would be talking about bans

rotation would handle most of the strong cards

[sleek ferry]

I would still like to see atraxa gone though. She’s such a bomb when she comes down

[trail anvil]

they just had to keep lifelink on her so she's a stabilizing tool too

[sleek ferry]

Even if she wasn’t 3 free cards at the minimum, her key words are so good and she’s a 7/7

Like why

[trail anvil]

I think it's a combination of that and us having good reanimation cards

cruelty of gix is hand hate, demonic tutor and a revival all on one

[sleek ferry]

Also us having a pretty damn good land base

That’s only going to get better in the next 12 months

[trail anvil]

well I feel like it's less the land base and more that the best card in the format creatures treasures which mana fix super hard

after all the best deck is only 2c, rakdos

we do have a ton of great 3c decks but a great manabase does not make a great deck, as evidenced by something like naya

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but rakdos would still be good even without atraxa

[trail anvil]

yes because it also has fable, invoke despair, cruelty of gix and graveyard trespasser

and bloodtithe harvester, fantastic doom blades, cut down...

[sleek ferry]

It’s funny

Because we all speculated soldiers would be better than they ended up being

[trail anvil]

I didn't, but they're still pretty decent

but yeah rakdos is just full of the best cards period

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, that’s why I’ve been gravitating towards explorer

I have a go wide jeskai deck for standard, but this ain’t the meta for go wide decks

And I’m flat out bored of grixis

[trail anvil]

eventually they'll print good green cards again

wizards got scared from questing beast and emergent ultimatum

[twilit canyon]

i have terrible news for u with explorer

[sleek ferry]

We have good green cards though

[twilit canyon]

explorer and pioneer by extension

are such an un-diverse format and the meta is so hard to brew in

if your brew cant handle rakdos, devotion, and greasefang, its not worth playing

its going to lose every time

[sleek ferry]

I’ve been doing pretty well with the Gruul brew in explorer

Had to make some slight adjustments to fit my playstyle a bit more, but overall we’re good

[glad peak]

if you want to brew, especially with weird deck sizes, play modern

some 79 card blink monstrosity with panharmommycon won something i forget

[sleek ferry]

The funnest standard brew I saw was the 4c dragon deck

Kinda wish we had goldspan though

[twilit canyon]

1st aftermath draft

last 3 games were super bad with mulls but they still put up a fight even the mull to 4

[golden plover]

How did they set up aftermath to be draftable when the set is inherently not draftable

[lusty trench]

I'm assuming it's like 2 aftermath 2 mother of machines?

[golden plover]

But Aftermath packs are only 6 cards

It'd throw draft off hard

[lusty trench]

It'd be 3 cards less per player in the end, but you can't counter pick people throughout the aftermath packs