Magic the Gathering

[clever sun]

Yes

[hidden ermine]

Still wild to see that Magic has finally reached the point of going above minimum

Though for different reasons than YGO

[clever sun]

It's not a common deck at all

60 card elementals are more consistent but you become extremely efficient

No room for tech cards and you need to be active in turning sideways

Niv to Light will obviously run it but it has been a pretty middling archetype in Modern

[sudden lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poEAgz0jPKg&ab_channel=TheCommander'sQuarters

some deck hints for Niv

[clever sun]

I will never play this in EDH

And nothing Commander's Quarters recommends is at the power level or budget I play at

[fallow citrus]

I almost wonder if

considering some of the weird stuff I've seen elementals on in modern

we'll see some lists playing the new nissa to tutor elementals

[strong quartz]

man I wish Nahiri died

[golden plover]

I just realized this bit was in the set article lmao

They did the direct marvel comparison for once

And also "we're charging a second movie ticket for the post credits scene"

[sleek ferry]

Wasn’t niv mizzet supposed to be dead?

[clever sun]

No

He quite literally got a card called Niv-Mizzet Reborn

[sleek ferry]

I thought that was like a play on words, like the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

[golden plover]

Although notably Plargg is supposed to be very dead and he also got a card

[clever sun]

Plargg lived Iirc?

[golden plover]

Nah he got compleated and thrown off the strixhaven roof by Killian

[clever sun]

No that wasn't Plargg

It was the other Prismari dean

[sleek ferry]

Isn’t Plargg the red dean?

[clever sun]

Lorehold

But yes

[sleek ferry]

Also whatever happened to the strixhaven dragons

And why didn’t we see them

[clever sun]

They were hidden away as to not be compleated I believe

[sleek ferry]

Sounds like a good way to lose the fight

[clever sun]

Yeah you don't want compleated Elder Dragons

Especially when you have plenty of capable fighters and some of the best mages in the multiverse to defend

They all held back to protect students specifically

[sleek ferry]

So like in terms of putting up a fight to getting annihilated, how do we rank the planes

[clever sun]

Arcavios put up a fight

Dominaria too

Ravnica cleared Phyrexia except the Golgari and the Simic took big losses

New Capenna got slapped hard

[sleek ferry]

New capenna getting slapped hard is kinda disappointing

[clever sun]

Theros got destroyed

Norn focused New Capenna hard

[sleek ferry]

Theros I could care less about, actually one of the most boring planes whenever we visit

[clever sun]

To stop the source of the Halo

Zendikar was heavily damaged

[sleek ferry]

Heliod got clapped right?

[clever sun]

As did most Theros gods

I think Athreos is fine as well as Ephara

[sleek ferry]

Even xenagos?

[clever sun]

That's it

Xenagos hasn't been alive for years

[sleek ferry]

Hmm what’s the Gruul one

I’m thinking of

Klothys?

[hidden ermine]

Niv Mizzet died, but he had a contingency to revive himself with the guild pacts power

[clever sun]

Klothys maybe is fine

[hidden ermine]

Though its funny that Niv-Mizzet reborn was revealed before anyone knew Niv-Mizzet died lmao

The first time we learned about his death is when he undid it

[clever sun]

WAR story was such a mess

[hidden ermine]

It sure was

[clever sun]

We were supposed to see Bolas and Niv get into a fight

[hidden ermine]

I still hate that they just offed Dack Fayden

The Phyrexia arc was better

I wouldnt say it was good, I have plenty of issues with it, but it was better

[sleek ferry]

How strong is niv mizzet supposed to be btw

[hidden ermine]

Pre or post-guildpact?

[sleek ferry]

I guess both?

[hidden ermine]

Post guildpact he is quite very powerful

The guildpact is a spell made by a pre-mending walker

And while the mending weakened the walkers themselves, any spells they had already woven didnt weaken at all

Pre-guildpact he is ... I guess around the level of your average planeswalker?

No, probably more than that

[sleek ferry]

So is niv’s whole thing that he’s supposed to be bolas/ugin powerful just without a spark?

[clever sun]

Yes

[hidden ermine]

More or less

[clever sun]

Niv is an Elder Dragon

[hidden ermine]

Though thats compared to post-mending Nicol and Ugin

[clever sun]

He is one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse now because he is the Guildpact

[sleek ferry]

Also since their was a mending, could there be an un-mending in our future?

[clever sun]

Maybe

This might be it

[hidden ermine]

IC? No

OOC? If they think it drives sales

[sleek ferry]

Like how was the mending established, and how fragile is it to undo it

I guess would be my question

[hidden ermine]

Well, for context the "mending" was the sealing of the time rifts, mostly (but not exclusively) in Dominaria

Those time rifts were having wide-reaching consequences across the multiverse

The first few timerifts were manually sealed, but the remaining ones sealed automatically, as the multiverse essentially tried to heal itself

[sleek ferry]

But doesn’t The Emperor for example, already show signs of a pre-mending Walker?

[twilit canyon]

nah

shes strong

but pre-mending walkers are another level

[hidden ermine]

Nope

[twilit canyon]

they were gods

quite literally

[hidden ermine]

Pre-mending walkers were functionally immortal

[twilit canyon]

they could create their own worlds

teferi had his head cut off

and he was fine

[hidden ermine]

They also were essentially living mana

[sleek ferry]

So like teferi existed in both a pre and post mending world right, how strong was he (considering he’s a little bitch now)

[hidden ermine]

And had the ability to ... shapeshift?

He phased an entire nation out of time on his own

[sleek ferry]

[[teferi’s protection]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/32/teferis-protection

Teferi's Protection <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Until your next turn, your life total can't change and you gain protection from everything. All permanents you control phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. They phase in before you untap during your untap step.)
Exile Teferi's Protection.

[sleek ferry]

Did we ever get a Teferi’s protection with lore text?

[hidden ermine]

https://imgur.com/gJiosXb

[fallow citrus]

when the world is safe again
phases them in during a war

[twilit canyon]

tbf

zhalfir was the most advanced civilization in dominaria for a long time

i have a feeling if zhalfir was pitted against the entire phyrexian army, they would have still won

[hidden ermine]

Also he wanted to bring it back much earlier, after the initial phyrexian invasion ended

But he messed up

[twilit canyon]

yea

idt teferi planned to lose his spark

let alone then plan to bring zhalfir back with the only easy option being to bring it back while an invasion was going on

[atomic harness]

true

[dense berry]

I just saw boon bringer

as a person who was there when baneslayer angel was spoiled

its nuts to see a better version in the rare slot

creature powercreep is insane

[granite badge]

wait what

I know there's a few artists who have done art

[golden plover]

Ilse Gort

[granite badge]

but is there any like full time staff

[golden plover]

I dunno

[granite badge]

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35813842/

[twilit canyon]

lemme ask some wotc staff to out their furry coworkers

historic deck dump of the decks i played to mythic

wizards from plat 4 -> diamond 2

kethis from diamomd 2 -> diamond 1

rakdos midrange from diamond 1 -> mythic

azorius control from % -> #587

the rare time i play control

but mythic is top 1200 is actually super favorable for azorius or dimir

i think azorius is stronger tho

i would have played this dimir list if not azorius

oh right i will try out boonbringer valkyrie over lyra and baneslayer

in theory better cus it can toss the keyword soup to a buffed up samurai or shark or calim and get the life immediately

[atomic harness]

boonbringer

[twilit canyon]

im never typing out the full name again

calling it bbv

[sleek ferry]

Bbw

[twilit canyon]

no

[sleek ferry]

Smh that’s hate

[trail anvil]

bbw
orzhov

not bad

this format is pretty low power so this list did fine for 3 wins

[atomic harness]

Nice

[sleek ferry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dVPOZgD16JY?feature=share

[twilit canyon]

too many lands

[golden plover]

God I forgot how cool the art of ghostfire blade was

[twilit canyon]

[[ghostfire]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/40/ghostfire

Ghostfire <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Ghostfire is colorless.
Ghostfire deals 3 damage to any target.
Only those gifted with the eye of Ugin, the spirit dragon, can see his fiery breath.

[twilit canyon]

i love this art too

[golden plover]

True, it's such a cool way to show it

But I think ghostfire blade is slightly better

[twilit canyon]

i do like how ghostfire is actually ugin's + ability

i would like if it a future ugin pwer had a ghostfire blade ability or something

+2/+2 to target colorless/creature

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, that'd be really cool

[twilit canyon]

maybe its like +2/+2 to target creature. if its colorless it gains vigilance and 2◇ {t}: deal 3 damage to any target

2r actually oops

[golden plover]

Could also play with the +s to fully represent it

So +1 to target creature. +3 if colorless

[twilit canyon]

as in how much loyalty he gets?

[golden plover]

Yeah

[twilit canyon]

idk how i feel about that. could be too strong if the ult is good

[golden plover]

It's depend on the card itself yeah

But it'd be cool to represent ghostfire blade like that

[twilit canyon]

fair

wonder if we will get more ugin stuff on next visit to tarkir

[golden plover]

I hope so

Ugin is cool as hell

[twilit canyon]

tru

ugin goes to tarkir to talk sense into the elders he left behind there

[golden plover]

Would he be able to? He's stuck babysitting bolas

[twilit canyon]

he brings him along

[atomic harness]

take your evil brother to work day

[golden plover]

I thought we were gonna get like 5 story articles for aftermath or whatever

We got 2

And that's all we're getting

[twilit canyon]

fr

?

[golden plover]

Yup. Confirmed to be 2 stories

Was hoping we'd at least get a check-in on Theros or something

[hidden ermine]

Wait

So thats it already?

[twilit canyon]

lol

[golden plover]

Yup

So literally the only mention of the desparking stuff is "the Sylex went off in the blind eternities" in one sentence lol

[twilit canyon]

no context on any other desparked walker

[golden plover]

Nope. Nothing for Sarkhan, Narset, Calix, etc

[twilit canyon]

no story to go along with other tidbits on how other planes are doing...

[golden plover]

And honestly, the cards in the set don't really give much context either?

[twilit canyon]

no tiny spoiler on what happened to eldraine right after we are gonna go there?

[golden plover]

Like the new Niv doesn't feel like it's telling me anything about Ravnica

[twilit canyon]

some do

[golden plover]

It just feels like a new Niv

[twilit canyon]

like kenriths royal funeral

[golden plover]

Some do, but the majority of the set doesn't feel like story cards

Like that vampire?

[twilit canyon]

yea why is it in aftermath

lol

[golden plover]

There's still vampires on Innistrad

Good to know

And I was wrong when I thought Plargg died, but I was right in that someone in that team up did

Nassari died

They were the one compleated and killed by Killian

So that card still doesn't make any sense

[twilit canyon]

i thought it was the other one that died

[golden plover]

I thought it was Plargg for some reason

[twilit canyon]

but it was nassari

[golden plover]

So yeah, that card just shouldn't exist

[twilit canyon]

i think she wasnt killed cus of the nature of efreeti

and probs uncompleated by that same thought process

[golden plover]

I dunno, the story heavily implied they were dead dead

(Nassari is nb, but tbh it's kinda hard to remember anything about the deans)

[twilit canyon]

yea but efreeti are literally created from death

right forgot about that

i can see nassari being able to form a new body after their phyrexian body was killed since so much death was going on at the time

[golden plover]

I guess, but I feel like there should have been something about that if that was gonna be the case

Even a throwaway line would make it look like they didn't forget they killed that character and wouldn't have people having to do the writer's job

Overall, aftermath kinda feels like a dud all around

[twilit canyon]

yea for sure

was hoping for closure with jace and vraska

bit more exploration on the omenpaths

and a bit more on each walker who lost their spark

[golden plover]

A lot of it doesn't even feel like the aftermath of MOM

Like the Niv and Tazri cards and stuff that just feel like another printing of the card

Best thing in the set is the training grounds reprint lmao

[modern minnow]

wait what no story i thought we were gonna get like a check in on the desparked pws

[twilit canyon]

in terms of value yea

but my sister nailed it i think when she said niv supreme will be the best card from the set

prepare to get really annoyed at cat oven with the new ob btw

[golden plover]

Niv is the best new card, Training Grounds is the best reprint

There's like 5 good cards total

[twilit canyon]

the blue instant uncommon is gonna be powerful

[golden plover]

Karn is probably pretty okay in EDH colorless stuff, but he's more niche than anything

[twilit canyon]

theres the new human 2 mana lord that gives +1/+0 and ward 1 he will be good

jirina will be very strong

[golden plover]

He's probably pioneer humans playable, yeah

Jirinia seems okay too, yeah

[twilit canyon]

madness convoke vampire is strong too just no vampire tribal

maybe pioneer sorin ghalta

gives u a thing to do vs lili uptick

discard him convoke him

[golden plover]

I wonder if filter out is gonna be a cedh card

[twilit canyon]

its close but nah

[[hurkyll's recall]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/48/hurkyls-recall

Hurkyl's Recall <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return all artifacts target player owns to their hand.
Hurkyl's research at the College of Lat-Nam wasn't enough to stop the two brothers, but for centuries thereafter her spellcraft taught artificers restraint.

[golden plover]

It's an instant that can fuck up a combo and also bounces all your rocks

Oh I forgot this existed

[twilit canyon]

filter out clears enchantments walkers and battles too

but the latter 2 are rarer in cedh

[golden plover]

Going through the gallery now, I think that's everything of note

[twilit canyon]

vesuvan drifter

[golden plover]

The artifact only gamble is okay, might try it in some of my decks (Elsha and Roghark maybe)

[twilit canyon]

3 mana protean hulk

[golden plover]

But I'm not sure it's worth running outside of very niche decks

[twilit canyon]

blue hulk decks got another toy

ayara's oathsworn should be strong in theory too not for commander

[golden plover]

Yeah it's like maybe pioneer playable

[twilit canyon]

urborg scavengers is not bad gy hate

[golden plover]

But the thing is, I can't figure out where you'd play her

[twilit canyon]

slightly weaker than trespasser

[twilit canyon]

knights/human aggro

[golden plover]

Rocco seems way worse than his last card

[twilit canyon]

scavengers can become a menace by exiling atraxa lmao

[golden plover]

I'm really not sure why he even got a second card

[golden plover]

See that's the issue tho. Humans is mostly mono-white and there's not a solid knights deck rn

Maybe we'll get enough knights in Eldraine tho

[twilit canyon]

splashing for black is trivial

and u then get an on-tribal selfless spirit

jirina

that doubles as gy hate

[golden plover]

Yeah some have played Orzhov prior for trespasser, cut down, and fatal push

[twilit canyon]

the role condension is big

[golden plover]

But mono-white has performed better lately

[twilit canyon]

anri metalbrow really needed haste

[golden plover]

Arni also just kinda feels pointless

[twilit canyon]

its kinda

really broken

the issue is that cheating on mana like that and evading counter spells afterwards is only cool if u can just trigger it off him many times

[golden plover]

He's a solid enough card I guess? But he's not really showing anything new story wise

Being sneak attack on a body is cute tho

He can't cheat mana mostly, unless you've already cheated out a big guy

Since he's gotta play something with a lower mv

[twilit canyon]

4 mana pay 2 for a 3 mana pay 2 more for a 2 mana

u get 5 mana worth of value off 4 mana

anri himself would be efficient if he could attack immediately and pay 2 to put in a 2 drop

animists might is a decent card for bard class

ah right nissa

she will be great in modern elementals

open the way is cute ramp but thats it

tranquil frillback is also a solid card

[golden plover]

Side note: I really hope that the Ixalan treatment is changed a bit for caverns

Or at least more variety

It's gonna be really hard to tell what everything is if they're all similar coins

[twilit canyon]

calix is a good card in a mediocre deck

again

lol

[golden plover]

It's nice on a couple cards, but I think it needs more variety

[twilit canyon]

campus renovation put in omni into play is solid i guess

[golden plover]

Like make some carvings on a wall, painted on a helmet, etc

[twilit canyon]

cosmic rebirth can help some lurrus decks out ig

[golden plover]

Oh I didn't even realize we got a Dominik Mayer Nahiri

This card itself isn't amazing, but that art is sick

[twilit canyon]

if she also had some equip cost reduction she would be solid

[golden plover]

I'd like her a lot more if she auto-equipped the spells instead

[twilit canyon]

yea anything

[golden plover]

Since the obvious targets aren't equipments with a big up front cost

[twilit canyon]

jolrael is good but idk if theres a sultai or bant control list anywhere

[golden plover]

Honestly giving her [[Sigarda's Aid]] on it would have been totally fine

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/384/sigardas-aid

Sigarda's Aid <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
You may cast Aura and Equipment spells as though they had flash.
Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may attach it to target creature you control.
The Order of Saint Traft found new strength with Sigarda's support.

[twilit canyon]

no flash tho

itd be too good

[golden plover]

Nah I mean make the exile effect the second part of Sigarda's aid

You can play them from exile and they auto-equip

[twilit canyon]

potential 2 mana 5/4 that gives sigardas aid and draws a card

ah ok yea

just no flash

[golden plover]

I mean you can only play them for a turn anyways

And I don't think you can attack on the opponent's turn?

Iirc there's 0 cards that can do that

[twilit canyon]

not that i know but it can be used defensively

hammer has to do that vs murktide

[golden plover]

Ah, yeah true

[twilit canyon]

narset is very powerful in theory

4 mana dha with prowess

[golden plover]

Yeah Narset is cool in theory, but I also just don't see a home for her

I don't know enough about standard or modern to know if there's one there

[twilit canyon]

they have been slowly dripping us for a jeskai value deck

[golden plover]

But I can't see her being vital in pioneer or edh

You've still got iconoclast in standard, right?

There's maybe some form of grind game kill you can do with him, T-swift, and Narset

[sudden lava]

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Ayaras-Oathsworn-Variant-March-of-the-Machine-Aftermath-Spoiler.png

[twilit canyon]

if she gains 2 power she can do funny stuff exiling emperor from gy

[golden plover]

Get a huge swiftspear and a bunch of +4/+4s or whatever

[sudden lava]

I like this for the new knight tribal precon

[twilit canyon]

and yea she can make swifty fucking huge

as well as giving other 1 drops 2 drops and 3 drops prowess

[sudden lava]

wait, forgot

[twilit canyon]

she has some potential for sure

[golden plover]

That sounds potentially solid

[sudden lava]

what colors was the precon?

[golden plover]

The issue is do you have enough cantrips

[twilit canyon]

not for long unfort

[golden plover]

You'd wanna run as many 1 mana cantrips as possible for this

[twilit canyon]

consider will be rotating but im sure we get opt in ixalan or eldraine

[sudden lava]

yeah it works

[golden plover]

And there's also not any rituals in standard

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Sidar-Jabari-of-Zhalfir-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

cuz white, blue, black

[golden plover]

Hell, they barely give red rituals anymore as is

And when we get them, they've got weird restrictions

[twilit canyon]

as they should

rituals are very powerful and need to take legacy/vintage/modern in mind

[golden plover]

I might try and make her work for EDH because I like Narset, but I don't really wanna have a second jeskai deck that's not that different from Elsha all things considered

And there's really no room for her in Elsha

[twilit canyon]

she would be different

and she doesnt go in elsha

[golden plover]

Honestly, if I'm gonna build a Narset deck, it'd be Narset turns anyways

She's a neat card, just one I'm not sure she'd be easy to build around anywhere

[twilit canyon]

off the top of my head, this narset can win very easily with breach freeze lines

[golden plover]

Any Jeskai lists in Pioneer are fires control

[twilit canyon]

she can either do thoracle or attack and exile jwom and win that way

pia is a very powerful card too

[golden plover]

I could see an aggressive Jeskai list maybe popping up in pioneer

But I think it doesn't have the tools there either

[twilit canyon]

samut is powerful btw

very strong in winota

new sigarda is actually good top end for humans or angels in selesnya

thats it thats all the truly passable cards that arent niche

[twilit canyon]

i love the frustration he has here but whats up with his leg

s

[golden plover]

Good question

Like I said, I'm still convinced most of the art for this set was slush art

There's some nice stuff, but a lot of it feels unfinished

[waxen timber]

This set kinda feels like an alchemy set in paper

[golden plover]

I think it's because a lot of alchemy art also looks like it's slush art, yeah

But yeah, aftermath really feels like they did the bare minimum to make a set so they can sell an extra set this year

I can't get over them calling it a "post-credits scene" in a set

Bro I don't need to buy a second ticket for a post credits scene

[twilit canyon]

i think calling this a paper alchemy set is an insult to alchemy sets

at least alchemy sets have the decency to be much smaller and have many more playable cards

[golden plover]

That's true, the good card to card ratio in alchemy sets is at least pretty high

[twilit canyon]

its very high bc they dont have to go thru limited

so they can just make powerful stuff with standard in mind

[golden plover]

Theoretically that should have been the same case for Aftermath

This set doesn't go through limited either

So more of the cards should have been playable

[twilit canyon]

for alchemy sets on average out of

25 cards

19-20 are playable

with another 2-3 being niche

[golden plover]

Ya know, I like the idea of a small 50 something card set at the end of each standard to give all the themes some extra support

[twilit canyon]

for this set less than half are playable

[golden plover]

This one just feels half-assed and unfinished

[twilit canyon]

with another 5 being niche

[golden plover]

Like think of cool mechanics like foretell that don't have enough support for constructed or edh

[twilit canyon]

especially with only 2 story drops like

???

[golden plover]

Having a set dedicated to filling in some gaps would be a really good idea

[twilit canyon]

thats what alchemy sets do

im actually upset we wont get alchemy mom bc of this set

[golden plover]

Yeah but I mean for paper

Like people talk about set mechanics they'd wanna build an edh deck around all the time or ones that are ALMOST playable in standard

[twilit canyon]

yep

[golden plover]

Having a little set once a year that fills the gaps for those would be really cool

This doesn't really do that at all tho

[twilit canyon]

reason why historic brawl and alchemy are so strong as formats is bc the alchemy sets come in and do that

[golden plover]

Like we got one convoke card (outside of any of the convoke colors)

And nothing else really

[twilit canyon]

the dimir toxic deck in standard the proliferate sucks in standard cus it cant stay alive

alchemy introduced for them a fat flying wall that can become a payoff

[golden plover]

If we got a couple backup synergy cards, toxic cards, etc it would be nice because they'd be supporting the themes from the year

[twilit canyon]

the simic proliferating decks also have real cards from alchemy one

its not just a draft meme

its not good but its playable

same with golgari

boros equip became a meta deck off alchemy one

paper should get something similar to this once a year

oh lets not forget crucias and jarsyl from alchemy bro

insanely influential cards

perilious iteration

[copper pecan]

just realized they missed another opportunity to put morophon in arena

smh

[trail anvil]

playing monowhite into removal tribal is actually so fun sometimes

they remove everything and still take 10 damage later cause you've already generated way too many bodies

[twilit canyon]

your opponent on their 5th removal spell watching as you cast yet another must-answer threat

https://tenor.com/view/stare-christian-bale-handsome-gif-13379950

[trail anvil]

lmao yeah

midrange goals in a nutshell

[twilit canyon]

phyrexian obliterator is such a dogshit card

lmao

opponent traded obliterator for 5 of my cards including all but 1 of my lands and still lost

its time to remove obliterator from ppls decks

card is beyond ass

anyways

khenra spellspear has big naturals and is baddie

[trail anvil]

I never pictured this card would go this far

[twilit canyon]

trample prowess

[trail anvil]

I'm so glad it's the double prowess card

[twilit canyon]

trample prowess prowess

ward 2

ward 2 is the insane factor

[trail anvil]

I feel like wizards is genuinely obsesed with ward now

making anything and everything important with at least ward 1

[twilit canyon]

its infinitely more versatile than hexproof

hexproof had been locked away as a mechanic for so long

[trail anvil]

I still can't help but feel like it's gonna be tampered down on in the future though just cause it's so hard to remove creatures on curve right now

and a lot of things that aren't hard to remove are hard to deal with for another reason like crazy sagas/enchantments

[trail anvil]

tfw I can finally combo off and they concede early

this deck is hilarious

[twilit canyon]

ur on the weird storm

[trail anvil]

yeah this shit is like solidly not good

but being able to kill in one turn is fuckin hilarious in this format

[twilit canyon]

lemme take a look at the list

i can probably refine it

[trail anvil]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5575531#arena

this was off that 100 decks article, figured I'd try a few for funsies

[twilit canyon]

oh that mana is awful

[trail anvil]

wait game trail is in this format lmao

[twilit canyon]

yea

it got downshifted to a common

err

uncommon

[trail anvil]

also I feel like explore should be at 4/fog should be somewhere in here

[twilit canyon]

nah

looking at the list the biggest issue is the mana

is dual strike the best clone effect?

i feel like its not

[[spellchain scatter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/15/spellchain-scatter

Spellchain Scatter <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Kicker
When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, conjure a duplicate of that spell into your hand. If this spell wasn't kicked, discard the duplicate at the beginning of your next end step.

[twilit canyon]

1 mana

wont put it on the stack immediately

ohhh nvm this is only exactly great when going off

ig dual strike is the best

[trail anvil]

I keep being paired into orzhov lifegain who has like the only answer to my combo outside of removal

and removal

[twilit canyon]

bane of all combo

[twilit canyon]

this comes down t3 wyd

[twilit canyon]

man this deck is bad but not for the reasons i expected

[atomic harness]

duality of man

whats the issue

[twilit canyon]

its actually just a touch too slow for a linear deck

which is wild when u can have a 20/20 trample haste ward 2 on t3 consistently

wizards can actually just bonk u still

rakdos has no chance tho and neither does control

until post-board but in which case they can get goobed by conceding g2 immediately and going to g3 otp

[atomic harness]

which one is the 20/20 trample haster?

[twilit canyon]

[[ancient imperiosaur]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/174/ancient-imperiosaur

Ancient Imperiosaur <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Trample, ward
Ancient Imperiosaur enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it for each creature that convoked it.
6/6

[twilit canyon]

combo: u play [[gleeful demolition]] on an artifact

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/134/gleeful-demolition

Gleeful Demolition <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy target artifact. If you controlled that artifact, create three 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature tokens.
Urabrask encourages creativity in all its forms, even the destructive ones. Especially the destructive ones.

[twilit canyon]

make 3 bodies

use [[torch carrier]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “torch carrier”

[twilit canyon]

or [[torch courier]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/grn/119/torch-courier

Torch Courier <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
Haste
Sacrifice Torch Courier: Another target creature gains haste until end of turn.
"Light a torch and deliver this letter" were his instructions, which he unfortunately reversed.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

or [[reckless ringleader]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/j21/21/reckless-ringleader

Reckless Ringleader <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Rogue
Haste
When Reckless Ringleader enters the battlefield, choose a creature card in your hand. It perpetually gains haste.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

burning tree emissary and chatterstorm to cast 2-3 squirrels

pay the full 7 mana for imperiosaur off creatures

congrats in a 0 mana 20/20 trample haste ward 2

[trail anvil]

jesus lol

[twilit canyon]

this deck exists in modern but modern gets 2 bonuses

[[memnite]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/td2/2/memnite

Memnite <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Reminders of Memnarch's reign still skirr across Mirrodin, reminiscent of his form if not his power.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

and [[kuldothra demolition]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “kuldothra demolition”

[twilit canyon]

fuck what was jt

*it

[[kuldothra rebirth]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/som/96/kuldotha-rebirth

Kuldotha Rebirth <:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact.
Create three 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens.
All goblin rituals serve a dual purpose as fertility rites, even the destructive ones. Especially the destructive ones.

[twilit canyon]

and tbf the modern hasters are better

[[goblin bushwhacker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/125/goblin-bushwhacker

Goblin Bushwhacker <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
When Goblin Bushwhacker enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

[[reckless bushwhacker]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/116/reckless-bushwhacker

Reckless Bushwhacker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior Ally
Surge (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)
Haste
When Reckless Bushwhacker enters the battlefield, if its surge cost was paid, other creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
2/1

[twilit canyon]

so u have a backup plan if u dont draw imperiosaur

reckless whacker would help this deck a lot to have a backup plan

and is pioneer legal so high chance we get it

[fallow citrus]

didn't know you were actually AspiringMisty

but yeah the imperisaur deck looks really cool and can actually just function as 8whack normally

[atomic harness]

Memnite

[twilit canyon]

im not mystmin im not spike

this isnt the 1st time i get called either creator

[trail anvil]

mistymin

[atomic harness]

Nyaruhodo

[sleek ferry]

Khenra spellspear fucks hard

[sleek ferry]

Legit question because I’m genuinely curious

Has there ever been a time in standard where more board wipes have been accessible?

There’s so many fucking board wipes in the meta rn

Farewell being the most common, but shit like vanquish the horde I still see

Also brotherhoods end and burn down the house

That new one also that is usually game winning, white suns twilight or w.e

[zinc shard]

https://magic.gg/news/pro-tour-march-of-the-machine-standard-metagame-breakdown

[clever sun]

Not at all surprising to see so much midrange

[golden plover]

I'm honestly surprised fable isn't banned in standard

[clever sun]

It's about to rotate and it enables midrange decks well

So it's arguably healthy

[golden plover]

Is it though when like 40% of the pro tour is playing it?

[hidden ermine]

So, is green just dogshit this standard?

[twilit canyon]

ya

unplayable

has been for a while

[dense berry]

one thing i find remarkable that richard garfield was able to reason out is that threats are generally worth more than answers to threats

i do wonder what mtg would be like today if they had known quite how much they overshot how much less answers are worth

considering the 2 mana counterspell precedent was comparing to 5-6 mana threats

had they gone with cancel as the initial precedent for counterspells, the power level of the game as a whole could have increased much slower than it did

[sleek ferry]

That’s what, 4 decks in the top 6 that play atraxa

[dense berry]

even the powerful juzam djinn of arabian nights is 2x the cost of of a counterspell for a threat that doesnt die to bolt

[glad peak]

i mean, it's not too hard to figure out that a recurring source of value is more valuable than something that conditionally stops it

but yeah the values he put on mana cost are impressively well designed (or they designed the game well around it, which is more likely)

[dense berry]

the games core value design is very good

garfield put that phd to work

even if some of the costs were miscalculated in some places they still considered what the costs should be very logically

[hidden ermine]

I mean to some degree its also that the game was designed around (most) of the initially concieved costs

But yes, Magic was a trailblazer, and its impressive how much it holds up

[glad peak]

Turns out math majors are good at math

Also I just saw some of the prompts for the excel world championships and they are suspiciously similar to how Garfield would have felt when designing the game

[hidden ermine]

I mean being a math major (wasnt he a PhD student at the time already?) and being a game designer are seperate things

[glad peak]

I know, but the very basics of game design boil into numbers before he adds his design

My friend was actually very disappointed when he finally got into the game dev industry and was faced with modeling excel all day

[copper pecan]

historic artisan is fun

i hope they do this event more often

[golden plover]

New eldrazi commander

They're... Boring

[hidden ermine]

Do Eldrazi even have anything to do with cascade?

[golden plover]

Nah

I guess they just did it because haha big commander

The sliver is cool

Another boring Jeskai value walker, feels weaker than he should be

And this lady is neat

OH FUCK OFF

It's another needlessly complex dungeon mechanic

This genuinely looks like it's super awful to track

[hidden ermine]

Idk this one feels easier to track

Since its only 4 steps, there is no branching and it never goes back

[golden plover]

You've gotta do the ring bearer song and dance every time you're tempted

Gotta track your emblem and your ring bearer every time

[trail anvil]

I think dungeons are just gonna become a more standard mechanic from now on

they seem to like it

[golden plover]

God I hope not

Mechanics shouldn't be able to be printed on the card

[hidden ermine]

But they were already a standard mechanic

[golden plover]

Also, it's really weird from a flavor standpoint there's no downsides to the ring?

The whole thing about the ring is that it tempts you to become the worst version of yourself

[trail anvil]

attacking other people isn't very kind

[hidden ermine]

Yeah that part confuses me

I get why they did it because downsides on basic mechanics suck but

Why make it a mechanic then

[golden plover]

Everyone was theorizing the ring tempting you would do stuff like draw cards via life loss or whatever

Stuff that fits the lore

But this mechanic really could have been called anything

Because it has nothing to do with the ring

[hidden ermine]

Also there can be 4 "the One Ring"

[golden plover]

I'd also take a wager the ring is either gonna be useless or MISERABLE in constructed

That's the course for these

[lusty trench]

What happens when you get tempted without there being a next mode on the card

Nothing?

[golden plover]

Monarch was miserable for a while, dungeons were useless, and initiative was a mistake

[golden plover]

Yeah, it just stops doing things

[hidden ermine]

You keep all abilities

It just doesnt do anything

[golden plover]

It keeps track, yeah

[hidden ermine]

Well

You can choose the ringbearer

[golden plover]

But you don't get a new ring-bearer until

Either way, this mechanic seems like a bad design imo

Easier to track than dungeons, but all sorts of memory issues

Feels like it was designed for digital only

Huh that's really weird

There's no counter or anything that denotes who your ring-bearer is

[hidden ermine]

But yeah flavour-wise this feels like it should've been monarch-esque

[golden plover]

It's just a thing you track

[hidden ermine]

Only one ringbearer on the field at once

If a creature kills a ringbearer it becomes the ringbearer

Thats more in-flavour

[lusty trench]

I'd say if it were just a generic ring and not the one ring then sure

But all these abilities feel like the one ring

[golden plover]

Yeah the fact that everyone can have a one ring is weird

[hidden ermine]

For such a top-down set

This is just weird

[golden plover]

It feels like they came up with the "the ring tempts you" first and couldn't figure out what that means until the literal last second

So they just haphazardly made a mechanic that doesn't fit anything

[glad peak]

the ringbearer mechanic is fairly easy to keep track of tbh

[golden plover]

It's another extra memory thing that doesn't exist in the game you have to track with outside shit

[glad peak]

i dont like it due to the implications with raggyman but it's not too bad

[hidden ermine]

The Dr. Who stuff looks kinda neat though

[golden plover]

Yeah it's neat. Got another version of limited partner which is cool

[glad peak]

just think of it as an enchantment emblem with level up, it's not too hard and it doesnt keep moving between players with different levels per player

[hidden ermine]

And one thats perfect flavour

Also looks like were getting a few "The Doctor" variants

Looks like 4th, 10th and 13th so far

[golden plover]

I dunno. Call me crazy, but I think a mechanic should be able to be explained on the cards that care about it

At least dungeons only mattered to the dungeon player

Initiative was awful, and I feel like this one is gonna be clunky and annoying too

If you can't print the rules text of the mechanic on the card, scrap the mechanic imo

[hidden ermine]

Thats already generally not true for keywords tbh

[golden plover]

Keywords can always be explained on the card?

[glad peak]

if the card with "the ring tempts you" had instead "put from your sideboard a copy of 'the ring'", it's basically the same except for you have another sideboard slot

[golden plover]

I can't think of any keyword that wasn't other than companion being wrong up until now

And that was because of the nerf to the mechanic

[hidden ermine]

Can but often isnt

Toxic?

[golden plover]

There's at least cards in the set with the keyword text

Commons and uncommons have toxic's reminder text on them

They just don't do it for rares and mythics

[hidden ermine]

Well no

It says they get poison counters

[hidden ermine]

It doesnt say what poison counters do

[golden plover]

Because toxic is a variation of a prior mechanic

[glad peak]

I don’t really see the issue with cards referring to easily accessible tokens with words on them

[golden plover]

It's an extra thing you've gotta track for the whole game now

It's not a real card in the game, it's a bunch of mechanic text on a reminder card

[hidden ermine]

Infect also never said that

[golden plover]

Because poisonous did

[hidden ermine]

Poisonous was barely a mechanic tbh

[golden plover]

The rules for poison counters were established here and stayed consistent ever since

[glad peak]

Poison counter is also not a real card in the game as every emblem

[golden plover]

It's a counter tho

And it has a single line of text

Not like 50

[glad peak]

It’s not just a counter, it’s also game defining card outside of the game that needs to be tracked the entire game

[copper pecan]

i don't think this is actually all that complicated tbh

this isn't a branching decision tree like how dungeons were

[hidden ermine]

Its not complicated, its just bad flavour tbh

[golden plover]

It's bad flavor and just too much to track

[glad peak]

Heck, “create a token copy” is more complicated because those cards can’t really be tracked other than the actual card, which may be in another zone

[golden plover]

Reminder that even tho the monarch has a line of text, it's been mentioned as causing memory issues by wotc

So all these variations that track way more than just the current status of one thing have way more memory issues

[glad peak]

Monarch also moved around between players

[golden plover]

Ring text implies you can tempt opponents

We haven't seen cards yet that do it, but I'm sure there will be some

[glad peak]

And monarch triggered every turn, not just whenever it was called upon

As long as you treat the ring as an equipment I don’t think it’ll cause too many issues

[golden plover]

Sidenote

https://preview.redd.it/kojlsnlve2ya1.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=fb1c4d428b9ec81edc0c7520b32c46fa7b322a50

The commander masters showcase style is "floating head on a flat color background"

[fallow citrus]

eldrazi commander is fun if uninspired

enchantment one is cool too

[hidden ermine]

Can you run wastes in a colourless commander now?

[golden plover]

Always could

Basic means any number of copies

[hidden ermine]

You used to not be able to

[fallow citrus]

guff is just superfriends turbo which I guess some people enjoy

[golden plover]

I feel like he should have either cost 1 less or done something more

[hidden ermine]

A lot of people do

Atraxa (old Atraxa) used to be super expensive because of that

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/m2g4ttkig2ya1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=29d10b4657bc2aecfeb6eee49ad9b0cd842d8ad7

Why is this her card art?

[hidden ermine]

From what I have heard, thats pretty accurate to her character

[golden plover]

What a weird picture to use

[hidden ermine]

Dr. Who is not above being weird and goofy

[golden plover]

True, but all the others are just kinda

https://preview.redd.it/lp9o0ykig2ya1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=3c5ae508424207f30f12645e8882078c989227e3

Regular art

Maybe it looks better on a card

Looks odd in comparison tho

[hidden ermine]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1654565102425903105?s=46&t=kqHWuzvI6biwZf9vRIh-QA

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

But that's not all, here we are showing the Thirteenth Doctor's "TARDIS Showcase" art! #MTGxWHO

Twitter · May 5, 2023, 7:13 PM

Showcase art is better though

[golden plover]

Oh that's way better

[hidden ermine]

Also man

I feel like I gotta get these, even though I dont get to play commander much nowadays

Well, 10th and 4th at least

... 10th is gonna be the expensive one isnt it

[glad peak]

Has the doctor card been revealed?

[golden plover]

Nope

[hidden ermine]

No

[golden plover]

There's a couple doctor cards

[hidden ermine]

Also theres multiple

[golden plover]

And they've got psuedo-partner

[hidden ermine]

Though they might just be different arts for the same card

[golden plover]

Maybe

[hidden ermine]

Also interestingly it seems blue is the one colour all the doctors share

[golden plover]

Actually no they won't be

[hidden ermine]

Which is ... not the one I wouldve gone for

[golden plover]

The arts are the card names

[hidden ermine]

Though I do get why they went for blue

[golden plover]

So there's at least The Fourth Doctor, the Tenth Doctor, and The Thirteenth Doctor

Blue because sci-fi and technology

[hidden ermine]

Nah I dont think thats the angle

[golden plover]

Oh wait, the alt commanders are also doctors except for the villain one

[hidden ermine]

Blue because the Doctor is curious and explores the university just because he wants to see as much as possible

[golden plover]

We have:
1-8
9-11
12, 13

[hidden ermine]

Which is ... fairly blue

[golden plover]

So every doctor has a card

[hidden ermine]

Huh

Yeah the one with 9-11 is gonna be the one that sells out near instantly

Followed by the villain one

Every doctor is two colours, every companion is one colour

Wild guess

Tenth is gonna be red/blue

[golden plover]

So are all the doctors blue/x

Weird

[hidden ermine]

Oh we dont know

Just that its a 2-1 split

[golden plover]

I guess it'd be weird if they weren't

[hidden ermine]

Though we know the fourth is U/G

[golden plover]

But mechanically, it's also weird to have 13 characters that overlap that much

[hidden ermine]

Oh I was right

Tenth is U/R

Rose is White

I mean it makes sense that the Tenth would be U/R

[golden plover]

It's also sorta weird the new eldrazi is a named guy

[hidden ermine]

Also 13th is U/G as well

[golden plover]

They seem to not be a titan, and I get they had to be legendary to be the commander

But being named implies they're not a piece of one of the other eldrazi

Although their design seems to imply they're part of Ulamogg?

[hidden ermine]

Also, the Dr. Who decks have a lot of Sagas

Representing iconic episodes

[golden plover]

Makes sense

[hidden ermine]

The one we got to see is the final episode of the 9th

[golden plover]

Easy way to represent an episode

[hidden ermine]

And the Bad Wolf arc

Also, 15 sagas are each from one of the doctors

Including the war doctor (so that special likely gets their own card) and the fugitive doctor

[golden plover]

For some reason, the Doctor Who decks have collectors boosters

No set or any other boosters

Just collectors boosters

[hidden ermine]

Im guessin well get the Valeyard in the masters of evil deck

[golden plover]

Oh

The twins mom is alive

Didn't kenrith kill her?

Oh Linden killed her

I guess not

[hidden ermine]

4 sagas featuring Dr. who villains

Im gonna guess 1 for the Daleks, 1 for the Cybermen, 1 for the Master and the last one is ... hm

[copper pecan]

oh thank god ashiok kept their spark

[golden plover]

Will and Rowan lost theirs

[copper pecan]

ah but you see

will and rowan are cringe, whereas ashiok is based

[golden plover]

True

Man they really do keep toying with the whole "evil Rowan" thing

I wonder if they'll commit this time or have her back out again

Oh my god I got it

Their no longer dead mom is gonna turn her against Will for some reason

And then when she dies again, they'll just go "haha no more evil Rowan" again

[hidden ermine]

Hm is the fourth the weeping angels?

[golden plover]

Oh I just remembered Eldraine has a revival fountain

I guess that explains how their evil mom is back

Why don't they just throw their parents in the revival fountain

Wait actually is the spooky revival fountain Lazarus Pit rules or is it Pet Semetary rules

[hidden ermine]

Ok I think it has to be the weeping angels

There is no shot we dont get "Dont blink" as a saga, but the 10th is barely in it

So its gonna be "Dont blink" for the weeping angels

[copper pecan]

how would they even represent the weeping angels in this

like, flavorfuly

[hidden ermine]

The saga or in general?

Hm

[copper pecan]

in general

[hidden ermine]

I mean there is not really a perfect solution

[copper pecan]

also i hope they don't make a bunch of pointless creature types again like they did with warhammer

[hidden ermine]

But my best guess is "if targetted or blocked, phase out" or something like that

Or wait actually

[copper pecan]

makes sense

[hidden ermine]

Some kinda morph-esque ability

With a condition for them to flip, then flip back

Theres some options, but none are like, perfect

Honestly though, Im kinda excited for this

Like they clearly actually care about Dr. Who, this isnt some corporate thing

[golden plover]

Yeah this.

Just use the types that already exist

[fallow citrus]

t-this is a real card?

[hidden ermine]

Oh yeah

Its Eldraine

[golden plover]

Half the warhammer ones didn't need to exist and at least one is literally on a single card

[modern minnow]

is dr who that big outside of the uk

[hidden ermine]

Weve had gingerbread men before

[hidden ermine]

Yes and no

[golden plover]

She's the girl from the eldraine cinematic

[hidden ermine]

Its big enough that there are decently large communities in europe and north america

Its more "nerdy" outside of the UK though

But like

[fallow citrus]

we seen these yet?

[hidden ermine]

A lot of people at wizards are nerds

[golden plover]

See that feels more thematic for the ring

Also, new addition to worst flavor texts

[fallow citrus]

.. they just made partner 2

[golden plover]

Partner 4ish technically

2 was friends forever
3 was background

[fallow citrus]

huh this is neat

[hidden ermine]

I mean its super flavourful

[fallow citrus]

hope they do this for more crossovers

[hidden ermine]

And its not inherently broken

[hidden ermine]

Since you can only get 3 colours at most

And yeah therell be a bunch of planechase cards

We havent been told how many though

[fallow citrus]

these are nice lands

[hidden ermine]

Im guessing well get Gallifrey, Skaro, and other such iconic bits as planechase

[modern minnow]

i hope some random place in the irl uk is a plane

[hidden ermine]

Oh Torchwood probably is

(Idk if you count it as "irl uk" though)

[fallow citrus]

lmfao

boutta planeswalk to london

[hidden ermine]

Not a lot of good chippies in Ravnica

[modern minnow]

me trying to planeswalk away from birmingham

[twilit canyon]

they are such a baddie

[lusty trench]

Partner 3*

[golden plover]

Oh hey that's nice at rare

[golden plover]

4*

[lusty trench]

Oh shit we at 4?

[twilit canyon]

friends forever

partner with

and new doctors

[golden plover]

I wasn't even counting with

Background

[lusty trench]

Eh that feels different enough to me

[twilit canyon]

background doesnt really count

[golden plover]

It's pretty much the same thing

It's partner with an enchantment

[fallow citrus]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1654566070265733120?s=20

Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic)

Not a preview, but #MTGMachine's "Wicked Slumber" is how Eldraine defeated their Phyrexian invaders, but that magical sleep has continued and begun to prey on the inhabitants of Eldraine.

Twitter · May 5, 2023, 7:17 PM

ok this is kinda cool lore though

I like the idea of repercussions on a plane because of the war might be the methods they used to win

[twilit canyon]

flavor text next time please

could have skipped rules text on convoke here for a line to detail whats happening

[fallow citrus]

yeah that's true for a lot of cards

kind of annoying

[golden plover]

Commons and uncommons have to have rules text

But yeah, maybe a card should have mentioned that

Maybe even a set of I dunno, 50 cards, that looked at the repercussions of the invasion

[twilit canyon]

nonsense

thatd be crazy to do

[golden plover]

Of the three cards set on Eldraine in aftermath, really only royal funeral gives any new context

Training Grounds is just "we gotta be prepared for next time"

And Ayara's Oathsworn is just "she's a knight"

[sleek ferry]

My wife told me to buy her a box of the lotr mtg set

[clever sun]

LET'S FUCKING GOO

[clever sun]

SHE'S SO SEXY

[clever sun]

I LOVE THIS SAURON

Y'all are required to ping me about LotR reveals

[lusty trench]

Just played the knight precon

This is super nice out of the box

[sudden lava]

Ooh that is cool

[sudden lava]

oh its a dungeon ability

[rigid scarab]

I love the Eldrazi commander

Finally I can replace Peregrine Dynamo

[sudden lava]

feels like they couldve done more then "eh they fat so cascade"

[rigid scarab]

That's what Eldrazi are all about

Being fat fucks

[sudden lava]

yup

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1104195270230671430/FvV3uSyXoAIzOr-.jpg?width=747&height=662

someone here asked for this edit right

[hidden ermine]

@clever sun did

[clever sun]

Bless you

[sudden lava]

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5082a2a-e8b1-4799-ad29-a632d95ae1da.jpg?1619403749

Just give poisonous 1 x3 times for all your slivers

or

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f36775e-9e48-49cc-a771-d58481712edc.jpg?1631047424

[clever sun]

?

What are you waffling about

[fallow citrus]

poisonous 1 x 3 as in like

encore virulent with the new commander?

[sudden lava]

stuff to pair with the new commander's encore

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Sliver-Gravemother.png

the legend rule not applying has synergy with Ovar

Encore an Ovar (assuming 3 opponents left thats 3 Ovars with Haste). Target one of them with some instant or sorcery and you get more copies of Ovar (3 in this case for a total of 6 with haste).

[sudden lava]

yup

[golden plover]

Or just play regular orvar

You don't need to make Orvar worse

[sudden lava]

also

sliver legion obviously is a good target

[copper pecan]

seems decent

wouldn't be surprised if this sees play in alchemy

if there's a ring deck

[sudden lava]

doesnt this make like 3 different Frodo cards?

[copper pecan]

idk

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Frodo-Saurons-Bane-The-Lord-of-the-Rings-Tales-of-Middle-earth-Spoiler.png

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Sam-Loyal-Attendant-The-Lord-of-the-Rings-Tales-of-Middle-earth-Spoiler-1.png

Sauron's Bane, Adventurous Hobbit, Baggins

yup 3

[copper pecan]

i wonder if abzan tempt will be decent in alchemy

[zinc shard]

tfw you Mull to 5 and your opponent Thoughtseizes you THREE TIMES

[clever sun]

It should be solid

[zinc shard]

Guy said Good Game every time he killed one of my creatures, then proceeded to not play a single threat

Good Game indeed

[clever sun]

Good Game

[golden plover]

Magic players are so weird man. Dude was complaining about another shop because all the guys own expensive cards and was going "it's pay to win" and then I brought up proxying and he went "nah bro, you shouldn't be able to proxy a card you don't own"

Like do you want the game to be pay to win or do you wanna let people play the best cards

I showed him my Bazaar of Baghdad proxy and he was like "that's bullshit dude"

If I had a bazaar:

1. I wouldn't because I'd sell it
2. I would never take it out anywhere because I don't wanna get mugged

[mystic aspen]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jXgiwutHSk-i32ZcxUdlHQ

Working on this

[twilit canyon]

i finally saw this

ukkima is eating goooood

[trail anvil]

this shit seems pushed as all hell

1/2 on a mana dork, colorless base mode with can't be countered on the color generating side

[twilit canyon]

needs to cast legends but

thats what i want out of ukkima

[glad peak]

1 mana 1/2 that makes colorless was good enough

[twilit canyon]

in modern: cast yawgmoth with uncounterable

[golden plover]

Wait that's super fucking pushed holy shit

It's like BoP but better for legends

And shit like Ragavan or cheap walkers

[twilit canyon]

@clever sun for when u wake up.

[twilit canyon]

much more limited in scope

but very good in its niche nontheless

[trail anvil]

damn that's pretty cool

[trail anvil]

does cedh run counter spells?

[twilit canyon]

lobelia shits on hulk decks hard wow

[twilit canyon]

yep

as many as u can

[trail anvil]

nice

[twilit canyon]

and as broken and cheap as possible

but

unlike cavern of souls

this can really only ever cover your commanders only

decks with cavern of souls that have relevant commander card types can utilize cavern for a much wider range of spells

[clever sun]

About to go to bed but TY

I like that Gandalf

actually a very solid control Gandalf

[dense berry]

you dont really want to be countering spells in cedh unless its to protect a wincon or to stop one

the only counterspells worth playing are free or cost one mana

[atomic harness]

I saw this pretty cool cedh deck, it was like shaggy and scooby?

And then scooby just morbed ppl smth about fetch counters

He popped off one game but unfort got bodied the next

[dense berry]

haldan and pako?

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah haldan and pako is super fun

[lusty trench]

dear lord

Hopefully this includes alt arts and the such in the numbering

[golden plover]

It always does

But Jesus