Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

But hey, no dockside SL

[lusty trench]

God damn it now I gotta watch people cheese me out in style

[golden plover]

Grand Abolisher

Stoneforge and Abolisher alone are the value of their lairs

The whole Guay lair is value tho

Serra is $12

And Muddle the Mixture is a $5 uncommon

[lusty trench]

Plus the Guay art tax on top

[golden plover]

True

They're not my favorite arts by her, but if you're just looking at price of the cards, it's a steal

Same with the Vargas lair, since it's $50ish in cards

But that Abolisher art is awesome

[modern minnow]

it isn't?

[golden plover]

Oh right, it's a common

It's still definitely $5 tho

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-artist-series-alayna-danner-statement

Lmao there's already a print issue with them

The [[Seraph Sanctuary]] has the wrong art

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddq/33/seraph-sanctuary

Seraph Sanctuary

Land
When Seraph Sanctuary enters the battlefield, you gain 1 life.
Whenever an Angel enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.
: Add .

[golden plover]

And instead of fixing it, they're gonna include the correct art as a bonus card in random future lairs

[lusty trench]

bruh

[granite badge]

stuff like this is why I have not bought a single lair yet

probably never will

at this rate

[modern minnow]

i thought they were print to demand?

[golden plover]

They can be good, but it's $40+ for 4 cards. You'd think they'd fix the print issues

[golden plover]

Some are, some aren't

It's pretty much entirely random which are which

[modern minnow]

oh ok

[golden plover]

Like the anniversary countdown and heads I win had hard caps

But then random ones are print to demand

Might as well flip a coin every lair and guess

Wait but they fixed it for Stranger Things

[lusty trench]

None of the lairs interest me this time around either

[zinc shard]

STONKS

[golden plover]

I want the Abolisher but I'll just proxy him

Nice to see some of these getting reprints but yeah, same here

I didn't post the MOM lairs Because we've mostly seen them before

Each one has like an good card

They're also foil only

This one has good value

This one is okay I guess

And this one has Nyxbloom Ancient

[lusty trench]

The dominaria stained glass arts I still dislike heavily

[golden plover]

I like some of them, but most have felt like misses

Especially with the choices for who gets one

[lusty trench]

My favourite art style treatment is kaladesh's

[golden plover]

Same. It's super nice

[twilit canyon]

waiting for stained glass teferi hero of dominaria

[hidden ermine]

Which one is Kaladesh, the one they used for masterpieces back then?

[twilit canyon]

yup

it looks great on red legendaries

[hidden ermine]

I recall the masterpiece Opal being amazing

[golden plover]

It looked really good for Sram too

[hidden ermine]

https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Mox-Opal.png

This is just really good

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, that one was sick

[sleek ferry]

so my early evaluation of MOM is, this is a decently high impact set

[twilit canyon]

battles were always gonna be high impact since new card type

and they have experience with it now too

[sleek ferry]

yeah but like, urabrask is super nice

[twilit canyon]

urabrask is not one of the super playables for standard

[hidden ermine]

Really?

He read as crazy to me, but that might be more from a non-standard perspective

[twilit canyon]

urabrask doesnt has the tools to go off

and standard is midrange enough where he doesnt has the opportunity to pop off as easily

[sleek ferry]

idk, it's birgi + red defiler in one with a built in boardwipe side

[twilit canyon]

at 4 mana

and requires mana investment to flip

mana and 3 more cards

flipping also opens him up to loran

and destroy evil

[sleek ferry]

It's 1 red to flip, actually the cheapest of all the phyrexians

all the other ones require 2 turn investments

[twilit canyon]

1 red after using 3 spells

3 instants and sorceries iirc

elesh norn is the most "free" to flip in standard since she can come down as a 7 drop

[sleek ferry]

well elesh norn is also a finisher, so it's not the same

[twilit canyon]

a finisher but also a stablizer on t4

[sleek ferry]

i would say the most unusable phyrexian is vorinclex tbh

it's a 5 mana 6/6. Doesn't even ramp me

[golden plover]

Sheoldred seems kinda bad too tbh

[lusty trench]

Urabrask finally beating the worst of the cycle allegations after how many years

[twilit canyon]

shelly is fine

shes just not as powerful as her dmu card

[sleek ferry]

yeah sheoldred is fine

[twilit canyon]

etb edict a nontoken is just fine

[sleek ferry]

I personally had it as
elesh norn
urabrask
sheoldred
Jin-gix
vorinclex

Jin would be way higher in a different standard

just not this one

[twilit canyon]

jin sucks actually

i think jin is the worst

cus flipping for 9 mana and needing 7 in hand to do so is a lot to ask

at least vorinclex takes u to his flip faster

[sleek ferry]

this jin would have seen play in the meta with Alrund's Epiphany imo

[twilit canyon]

nope

[sleek ferry]

and that was a lower power format than this one

[twilit canyon]

that deck was very focused on one thing

jin didnt do anything for it

itd have been a 5 mana 5/5 ward 2

[lusty trench]

The cycles for me are probably:
First cycle:
Vorinclex
Elesh norn
Sheoldred
Jinny boi
Urabrask

Second cycle:
Sheoldred
Elesh norn
Vorinclex
Jinny boi
Urabrask

Third cycle:
Elesh Norn
Urabrask
Sheoldred
Jinny boi
Vorinclex

[twilit canyon]

1st cycle was not vorinclex on top

norn is by far the most successful original praetor

[lusty trench]

First cycle reads whatever to me as someone who started playing way after they came out

[sleek ferry]

first cycle as in the original praetors?

[lusty trench]

Yeah

[twilit canyon]

iirc its
norn
sheoldred
vorinclex
jin
urabrask

2nd go around was
sheoldred
vorinclex
norn
jin
urabrask

this time its:
norn
urabrask
sheoldred
vorinclex
jin

[sleek ferry]

it's kinda crazy that there's no bad elesh norn card

[lusty trench]

Poor Jinny boi

[hidden ermine]

I dont think Vorinclex was better than Jin in the first cycle, was he?

[twilit canyon]

vorinclex is much more popular in edh

neither saw a lot of comp play

[lusty trench]

Og Jinny boi costs 9 in blue

[twilit canyon]

ur never casting them

[hidden ermine]

I swear Jin saw some play in some silly deck

[twilit canyon]

only og praetors to see comp play have been norn and sheoldred

[hidden ermine]

Also he was 10 mana lmao

[twilit canyon]

jin is "ok" in reanimator

or he was

[lusty trench]

Lmao even worse than I remembered then

[twilit canyon]

before we got better targets

[hidden ermine]

That might be it

[golden plover]

Wasn't there a time he was the go-to reanimator target?

[hidden ermine]

Im pretty sure Sheoldred was a reanimator staple

[twilit canyon]

nope

[hidden ermine]

Well, "staple"

[twilit canyon]

jin was never the go to

sheoldred was good in reanimator and good in the rock

back when acidic slime was still seeing play

[trail anvil]

there isn't really a bad one but the second one feels a lot less used than vorinclex and sheoldred in her cycle

[lusty trench]

I've yet to play in a commander game where MoM has mattered to me

At worst I bounce her back to hand

[sleek ferry]

White has that really nice protection spell for cedh

But that’s about it

[twilit canyon]

she has seen less use bc she is less powerful all things considered

shes a value card but shes not a combo enabler and not a midrange staple

[sleek ferry]

Also high key, I really love that exile instant that white got this set

It creates so much tempo

[trail anvil]

but she panharmommycon

[lusty trench]

I'm very surprised mondrak or the sword or atraxa haven't out priced her yet

[twilit canyon]

true

[trail anvil]

the blink spell?

[sleek ferry]

The one that exiles it and makes it cost 2 more to cast if they want to cast it

[trail anvil]

oh the battle

[lusty trench]

invasion of gobakhan?

[twilit canyon]

invasion of gobakhan

[sleek ferry]

No it’s an instant

[trail anvil]

the instant wasn't this set

[sleek ferry]

Sec

[twilit canyon]

oh the one from 2 sets aho

*ago

soul partition

[[soul partition]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/26/soul-partition

Soul Partition <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast by an opponent this way costs more to cast.
Teferi's body couldn't travel through time far enough, but with Kaya's help, his spirit could.

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah that was brothers

Mb

[twilit canyon]

its not amazing

[trail anvil]

this card was nice in azorius control

[sleek ferry]

I like it since most standard decks want to get to 5 mana

[twilit canyon]

they wanna push that a lot too though

soul partition can also rebuy etbs for the opponent

so it loses targets

it faces stiff competition from lay down arms, destroy evil, ossification, and valorous stance even

[trail anvil]

[trail anvil]

it can also rebuy your own etbs to be fair, also if you use it in response to your opp attacking your walker then you profit hard

[trail anvil]

man brash taunter is actually a hilarious card

I wish it was legendary lmao

[sleek ferry]

[[brash taunter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/782/brash-taunter

Brash Taunter <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin
Indestructible
Whenever Brash Taunter is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to target opponent.
, : Brash Taunter fights another target creature.
"You hit like a kobold!"
1/1

[sleek ferry]

ah it's target opponent, thought it was each opponent

[trail anvil]

that'd be a fun edh finisher if so

[golden plover]

https://kotaku.com/mtg-aftermath-leaks-pinkertons-wotc-magic-the-gathering-1850368923

Lmao Kotaku reached out to Wotc and went "not the literal pinkertons right?"

And wotc went "yeah, we called the pinkertons"

[sleek ferry]

Nice deck bro, would be a shame if I outgrind you due to having creatures that actually threaten you

Fuck your toxic deck also

[clever sun]

What is that mana base

[polar lake]

apparently Hasbro sent Pinkerton after the dude that opened the leaked booster box????

[fallow citrus]

They certainly did

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/12xkpvp/wotc_sends_union_busting_corporation_pinkerton/

[atomic harness]

[torn idol]

Wild

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry gonna play bdh again on friday with the casual pod friends
this deck has really made me love adventures even more

Beanstalk giant bonecrusher giant lovestruck beast merchant of the vale embereth shieldbreaker the works

[sleek ferry]

yeah adventure is high key one of my favorite mechanics

commander legends 2 had a bunch of new adventure cards also, i never quite looked into them though

[atomic harness]

I got a couple of the new ones I think, this one has been nice

[[tlincalli hunter]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/682/tlincalli-hunter-retrieve-prey

Tlincalli Hunter <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Scorpion Scout
Trample
Once each turn, you may pay rather than pay the mana cost for a creature spell you cast from exile.
7/7

Retrieve Prey
Sorcery — Adventure
Exile target creature card from your graveyard. Until the end of your next turn, you may cast that card. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)

[granite badge]

Adventure is such a huge flavor and mechanical win tbh

the only thing I dislike is the showcase art for most of em

[atomic harness]

[sleek ferry]

oh that one is nice

free spell every turn

[atomic harness]

oof got another ruling q since I couldnt find any

[[xenagos the reveler]]
[[Faldorn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/853/xenagos-the-reveler

Xenagos, the Reveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Xenagos
+1: Add X mana in any combination of and/or , where X is the number of creatures you control.
0: Create a 2/2 red and green Satyr creature token with haste.
−6: Exile the top seven cards of your library. You may put any number of creature and/or land cards from among them onto the battlefield.
Loyalty: 3

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/647/faldorn-dread-wolf-herald

Faldorn, Dread Wolf Herald <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you cast a spell from exile or a land enters the battlefield under your control from exile, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token.
, , Discard a card: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Cities are a blight on the beauty of nature."
3/3

[atomic harness]

say I use the ulti and get like 3 lands and a creature
Do I only make one wolf since all of them come from exile at once or is it separate triggers

Or do I get no wolves because it doesnt say cast or play

[sleek ferry]

wouldn't it be 3 triggers for the land, but none of the creature since the creature wasn't casted

[atomic harness]

oo

[lusty trench]

Single pack

[golden plover]

Ayy nice

[lusty trench]

Isn't she like the chase card of the main set now or is that wrenn and realmbreaker still

[golden plover]

She's like $15

Technically the chase card tho

[lusty trench]

I'll more than happily take the rarity upgrade

[golden plover]

Ye, I swapped ONE norn for MOM norn in my Ghen deck

This art and foil too

MOM Norn just feels better when our goal is stax

[golden plover]

The duality

[twilit canyon]

lol

the biggest reaction i saw to this whole thing was

"the guys from red dead 2?"

and

"the who?"

[golden plover]

Fun fact: They tried to sue over their portrayal in red dead 2

The judge went "can't sue over events that really happened"

[twilit canyon]

lol

[lusty trench]

Weird ruling question, if mutavault is a creature and you sacrifice it while prowling geistcatcher is on the field, does it get exiled

Since it's not a replacement effect it still hits the grave and the creature typing falls off it, but I'm not sure if geistcatcher checks the creatures type on the field or in the grave

[copper pecan]

[[prowling geistcatcher]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mic/21/prowling-geistcatcher

Prowling Geistcatcher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you sacrifice another creature, exile it. If that creature was a token, put a +1/+1 counter on Prowling Geistcatcher.
When Prowling Geistcatcher leaves the battlefield, return each card exiled with it to the battlefield under your control.
2/4

[copper pecan]

yes it exiles it

[lusty trench]

Awesome thank you

[zinc shard]

my pool for Phantom Sealed

[lusty trench]

Bruh

You got rankle and torbankle!

[zinc shard]

Not the Fox D:

[zinc shard]

Man Skittles is the MVP so far

[atomic harness]

skrelv

[trail anvil]

favorite color green
idk bout that one chief

wait fuck I guess it was between lagrella, slogurk and garruk lmao

[sleek ferry]

Damn you a greeny boy

[twilit canyon]

man discerning what battles are good for historic is a bit tough

theres some that should be insanely powerful in the right shells but im not sure what if anything can be cut for them

the ones primarily on my radar are [[invasion of ixalan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/191/invasion-of-ixalan-belligerent-regisaur

Invasion of Ixalan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Ixalan enters the battlefield, look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a permanent card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Defense: 4

Belligerent Regisaur
Creature — Dinosaur
Trample
Whenever you cast a spell, Belligerent Regisaur gains indestructible until end of turn.
"Careful. Its vision is based on fear, and it can smell movement . . . or something like that." —Gregor, amateur zoologist
4/3

[twilit canyon]

[[invasion of tarkir]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/149/invasion-of-tarkir-defiant-thundermaw

Invasion of Tarkir <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Tarkir enters the battlefield, reveal any number of Dragon cards from your hand. When you do, Invasion of Tarkir deals X plus 2 damage to any other target, where X is the number of cards revealed this way. (X can be 0.)
Defense: 5

Defiant Thundermaw
Creature — Dragon
Flying, trample
Whenever a Dragon you control attacks, it deals 2 damage to any target.
"The Phyrexians are fools if they believe they can weather such a storm." —Sarkhan Vol
4/4

[twilit canyon]

[[invasion of amonkhet]] (proven strong in standard}

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/231/invasion-of-amonkhet-lazotep-convert

Invasion of Amonkhet <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Amonkhet enters the battlefield, each player mills three cards, then each opponent discards a card and you draw a card. (To mill three cards, a player puts the top three cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Defense: 4

Lazotep Convert
Creature — Zombie
You may have Lazotep Convert enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature card in a graveyard, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
As the lazotep covered his body, he heard Norn's voice fade from a deafening clarion to a distant whisper.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

and [[invasion of ergamon]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/233/invasion-of-ergamon-truga-cliffcharger

Invasion of Ergamon <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Ergamon enters the battlefield, create a Treasure token. Then you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Defense: 5

Truga Cliffcharger
Creature — Rhino
Trample
When Truga Cliffcharger enters the battlefield, you may discard a card. If you do, search your library for a land or battle card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Throughout Ergamon's wild Truga Jungle, predator-prey relationships stopped until every last invader was crushed to dust.
3/4

[twilit canyon]

theres maybe a lurrus battle delirium shell to be made with a few of these cards

or a lurrus dragons with sprite dragon and darigaaz's whelp to tutor for the sprite dragon

maybe smouldering egg

and that gives enough names to make invasion of tarkir hit high damage

oh and [[invasion of gobakhan]] is really strong in white aggressive decks

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/22/invasion-of-gobakhan-lightshield-array

Invasion of Gobakhan <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Gobakhan enters the battlefield, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast this way costs more to cast.
Defense: 3

Lightshield Array
Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature that attacked this turn.
Sacrifice Lightshield Array: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
The weight of Phyrexia crashed down upon Gobakhan, but the will of its people endured.

[twilit canyon]

backbreaking card vs control

[sleek ferry]

Ergamon is super nice in gruul

[twilit canyon]

its not a gruul card

ergamon is a card that is here to combo u a turn sooner with indomitable creativity

[atomic harness]

Gobakhan deez oo

[uneven harness]

crazy how konami wouldn't do this

||they'd just send nibiru to your home directly||

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmnwycnBhA

Holy sh*t brought this back after 8 months

[golden plover]

Man you know WoTC fucked up when there's a new Dies to Removal

[atomic harness]

Chat we bought a bylvan library

time to lose a million life @twilit canyon

is there a trick to it? Like do you go for 8 and then 8 and then just 4s

Or like you go 8 4 then just do card selection

[twilit canyon]

depends on ur life total

push the life a lot when ur high on life

when ur low, dont take more than u need

[atomic harness]

Thanks kid

[atomic harness]

for putting stuff back or paying 4 I have a choice from three? since it also counts regular draw

[twilit canyon]

yes u can only put back from the 3 cards drawn

[atomic harness]

gotcha, I think putting stuff back isnt even half bad since I can guarantee a good exile from wolf mom

[twilit canyon]

yes

remember

only put stuff back from among the cards drawn this turn

this actually includes any other card drawn

[atomic harness]

I also got like that wrenn's resolve thingie

and birb of baradise

Oh and this one [[urabrask, heretic praetor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/129/urabrask-heretic-praetor

Urabrask, Heretic Praetor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Haste
At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, the next time they would draw a card this turn, instead they exile the top card of their library. They may play it this turn.
4/4

[atomic harness]

the capenna man himself

[twilit canyon]

this urabrask is surprisingly strong

hes def weak but he pairs well with drannith magistrate to win the game

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry it is time to draw some extra cards my son

[golden plover]

https://gizmodo.com/magic-the-gathering-leaks-wizards-wotc-pinkertons-1850374546

Oh no

It just gets worse

[twilit canyon]

yea i did some digging around

wotc and the pinkertons have close ties for a while apparently

[modern minnow]

Can they fuck up more

[twilit canyon]

testing battles in rakdos midrange

so far has been a solid addition

[atomic harness]

Thoughtseize main

[twilit canyon]

its historic

why wouldnt i have thoughtseize main in a black midrange list

[lusty trench]

I believe in you, get greedy with it

[atomic harness]

oh I was probably just misremembering smth then. Caster showed this screenshot regarding the "thoughtseize" bug meme
and then her outskilling her opp w having the second crucias after losing it to seize then the guy scooped

so I thought it wasnt that good or the seek heehoo deck just was so fast that seizing wasnt worth

[twilit canyon]

yea thoughtseize is fucking ass all the time

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

its still a strong spell

[atomic harness]

so its kinda buns but since it's still thoughtseize you play it regardless?

[twilit canyon]

how does a deck come back from this

invasion of fiora completely clear their board, swing shelly into it and get marchesa

[atomic harness]

I shall

marchesa

[twilit canyon]

red aggro is fucking garbage in this format

ppl need to stop playing it

its the one archetype i will never understand

burn is miles better

[atomic harness]

True kid, red deck does not win this format

cool to see battles being good

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/landsleaving/status/1651295653136302089?t=ORa1Hzuem9YCMIEcsgKRsw&s=19

James Keating (@landsleaving)

I don't know how I feel about this new knowledge.

Likes

323

Twitter · Apr 26, 2023, 6:42 PM

[lusty trench]

The strongest form

Boat

[sleek ferry]

You have to admire Vorinclex’s simple goals

He played God of War once and said “I want to be a Viking…. Boat.”

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/lCWlaHKG-ws

Everyone is on an elder dragon on this extra turns

[copper pecan]

the d in edh stands for dinosaur actually

zacama gang

rise up

😤

[sudden lava]

Shadrix token deck with politics, chromium instants+flash, Aracades Big Butts, Nicole Bolas mill+discard+use grave stuff

[glad peak]

Imagine playing politics

[sudden lava]

You like being the heel of the table huh?

[glad peak]

No, some politics is fine but politics that takes forever or is a thinly veiled threat isn’t productive to a fun game

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgC6Jd4hFeI

[trail anvil]

@golden plover ngl after playing a bunch of both lor and mtg, I'm weirdly thinking lands might make mtg healthier in some aspects

[golden plover]

True. The solution is the force of will system. That game just had other issues

[trail anvil]

like sometimes you play for the out vs control in mtg; you can do the same in lor but lands don't tend to be there instead of answers

[twilit canyon]

playing formats like modern where mana bases are weapons in and of themselves too

thats what ultimately pulled me out of runeterra

i like the game in theory

[sleek ferry]

they've been weaponizing lands way more lately too it feels like

[fallow citrus]

How so

[sleek ferry]

it started with the DnD set. Lair of Hydra/Den of the Bugbear/the others whose names i forgot

Kamigawa gave us the channel lands (looking straight at you boseju)

And then other utility lands along the way, Plaza of Heroes is free as fuck

[fallow citrus]

dnd ones are just kinda beefier manlands at least so it's a gradual increase in power

but yeah channel lands are p juiced

[twilit canyon]

channel lands yea but what i mean by lands being weapons is more to the fact that fetch lands and triomes and cards like w6 exist

on top of mana bases being able to be constructed with blood moon in mind

[atomic harness]

tell em misty

Okay chat today we will try to make a lot of wolves without having any protection spells . I'll try not to overextend

will let you know how 🅱️dh goes

[trail anvil]

I'm fine with more useful lands usually

the beefed up midrange man lands in dnd were annoying but otherwise I like drawing bricks less

[dense berry]

they have to be at least as good as otawara to really make an impact for me

almost every spell land sucks tbh

[trail anvil]

eiganjo and boseiju fuck tho??

takenuma is also a really nice recovery card

[dense berry]

yeah the channel lands are a rare exception

there are a lot of shitty spell lands

it is honestly an ancient art form

[twilit canyon]

og eiganjo castle is still really strong in the right deck

canopy lands are also very strong and welcome lands to exist

though ig they arent "spells" in the traditional sense

[trail anvil]

fuck man the more I see green in standard the more I think they could've made one of their cards super busted and the color still wouldn't have seen representation

[waxen timber]

What is hardest for mono green is 2 mana. Like everything they have at 2 doesn't get over the stats to dodge Cut Down

[atomic harness]

mom shouldve had questing beast reprint tbh

maybe in wilds of eldraine

[copper pecan]

can't wait for them to print another oko

[clever sun]

Green is so bad recently but it is just paying for the sins of overpowered green cards of the past few years

[glad peak]

Fully deserved

[clever sun]

Agreed

[trail anvil]

I guess

[lusty trench]

Green deserves nothing after boseju

[copper pecan]

boseiju is rotating out in like two sets

it's time to print questing beast 2™️, the sequel to the beloathed classic

[hidden ermine]

Wellll

We are returning to Eldraine

[trail anvil]

but we already have the card that deals damage to battles when it hits face

[twilit canyon]

we already do

[[rampaging raptor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/160/rampaging-raptor

Rampaging Raptor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dinosaur
Trample, haste
: Rampaging Raptor gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
Whenever Rampaging Raptor deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls or battle that player protects.
4/4

[trail anvil]

ye that's what I said, we already do

I wanna try this with invasion of regatha but I don't have the wildcards

[sleek ferry]

Same

Rampaging raptor is such a cool card

[twilit canyon]

oh my bad i read that as "when do we get a card that deals damage to battles when it hits face"

[last glen]

now hold up

this may actually be good in dinosaur tribal

[lusty trench]

Pulled a boseju from my fnm promo packs

[twilit canyon]

the legacy experience pre-ragavan ban

[copper pecan]

every single time i've casted ragavan in historic brawl my opponent scooped

[trail anvil]

yeah he's getting banned or hell queued in hbrawl soon, even if you have a huge amount of removal you have to deal with him dashing too and his 99

no need for synergy, just slap a shit ton of value in

[copper pecan]

even if you deal with him he'll just come back on turn 3

[trail anvil]

you can deal with him both times and I find they still manage to get enough mana to dash him with a +4 commander tax

they have a ridiculous amount of removal to survive until then

[sleek ferry]

No way that ragavan is that oppressive in hbrawl

Man is barely playable in cedh as part of the 99, let alone as a commander

[golden plover]

Brawl is 1v1

And also doesn't have nearly as many of the cards cedh has

[twilit canyon]

barely playable is one of the best red cards of all time in cedh

[golden plover]

Also yeah, Ragavan is just really good in edh too

He's not a good commander, but he's a solid value piece in most red 99s

[twilit canyon]

almost every red cedh deck needs ragavan in the 99

[golden plover]

Edhrec has him at 68713 decks he's in

And I'm sure it'd be way more if not for the price tag

[sleek ferry]

Mono red, if you’re on red + x ragavan is easily cuttable

This isn’t jeska’s will, this is fucking ragavan

[golden plover]

Ragavan is still an insane edh card

It's value that has to be killed on sight

And insane edh card leads to ridiculously insane Hbrawl card

Consider Kinnan who is more niche than Ragavan in utility

He's put in the hell tier where they can only play with other Kinnans, Kenriths, Omnaths, and some others I'm forgetting

[sleek ferry]

Also I forgot this is historic where mtga has the most broken ai cards

Half the alchemy cards make common brawl/edh cards look like trash

[golden plover]

Yeah alchemy is super overtuned

But Ragavan is one of the most overtuned cards, ever

[sleek ferry]

In constructed I agree

[golden plover]

Literally multiple-format warping

[sleek ferry]

But in a singleton format, I don’t really see it as a huge issue

Also it’s historic, so just nerf it ig

Make its blitz cost 2r instead of 1r

[[ragavan, nimble pilferer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/138/ragavan-nimble-pilferer

Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer <:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Monkey Pirate
Whenever Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and exile the top card of that player's library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card.
Dash (You may cast this spell for its dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/1

[sleek ferry]

Dash sorry

If it was blitz it would be broken as fuck

[glad peak]

Also you can’t really take edhrec at face value for cedh since a lot of the decks are non-cedh

But yeah ragavan is very good especially in a format that is hard to get consistent early removal in

[dense berry]

ragavan is the best mana dork of all time

the most bolt on sight bird there ever was

[copper pecan]

the only alchemy cards that are "broken" in hbrawl are key to the archives and rusko, and those aren't broken they're just strong

the vast majority of alchemy cards aren't good in historic brawl

[twilit canyon]

ur outright wrong

[copper pecan]

ragavan is like

possibly the single best one drop creature in the entire format

and this is a 1v1 format so one drops are super important

[twilit canyon]

for edh its probably either deathrite shaman or esper sentinel

but ragavan is top 3

(3rd place)

when inalla wizards tribal plays ragavan

[twilit canyon]

this is true as well

[copper pecan]

the 4 or 5 color value pile commanders are way more of an issue than any of the alchemy cards are

[golden plover]

I mean, that's just an edh issue as a whole

[trail anvil]

the big problem is that it's not only a must answer threat but a reliable one on 1

in hbrawl that's way harder to deal with

even if you do deal with him that means you usually used at least 2 pieces of removal on it, which means the threats in the 99 end up unanswered

in a 4 player format that's probably way less punishing, but in 1v1 that's a shit ton of card advantage you just threw away

putting the dash cost to 2R would do nothing cause you just have a surplus of mana by the time you're dashing him. dude just needs to be banned or hell queued, and honestly I think he'd have a good wr vs the hell queue commanders but idk

[sleek ferry]

It’s not better than mystic remora, nor is it outpacing it in the normal 2 turn cycle that mystic remora will normally be up for.

[twilit canyon]

wow i didnt know remora was a 1 mana creature

[sleek ferry]

This isn’t even including the 1 drops that are beneficial to specific strats

Misty, you dropping ragavan ain’t doing shit in most cedh tables unless you already got game in hand

Which at that point ragavan didn’t matter

[glad peak]

Ragavan in cedh is hella good

Especially t1

[twilit canyon]

tell me u dont play cedh without telling me u dont play cedh

its easily one of the best 1 mana plays in the entire format

[glad peak]

It’s a better mana dork (which is already a great play) with upside and lategame applications

[trail anvil]

I'd imagine you can steal mana rocks sometimes too

[golden plover]

Mana dork (of any color), that also can be hasty, "draws you a card" from the opponent of choice, and needs to be removed on sight

All for 1 mana

Yeah if you hit a sol ring or crypt or whatever, your Ragavan gets even better

[glad peak]

Also the fact that cedh doesn’t have as many creatures blocking the board (sure, it’s changing a bit now but point applies)

[golden plover]

Unlike other dorks, he's also notably aggressive too

Llanowar elves isn't poking for 2 whenever he taps for G

Ragavan is doing both

[twilit canyon]

ragavan is a better t1 than sol ring or remora only matched by drs

[golden plover]

Worst case scenario, he's fowed or similar and they've spent valuable answers on the monkey

[twilit canyon]

u cant fow a ragavan in cedh unless ur that fucked by him

[glad peak]

Yeah I wouldn’t say he’s THAT good that you need to fow him

[twilit canyon]

mental misstep for sure

[golden plover]

I was just trying to think of t0 removal

And for some reason I forgot misstep

[twilit canyon]

t1 dash ragavan can also be game ending for some decks or the perfect set up

[golden plover]

I mean there's also just times where it does stuff like hits my top off Elsha

And then they've won

[sleek ferry]

Just checked on cedh event hub, out of 150+ top 4 decklists recorded in the last 6 months, the amount of decks that are on red as one of their colors 6 of them were on ragavan

If they’re also on green, they’re 3x more likely to run birds of paradise over ragavan

[golden plover]

Most decks run both if they're in gruul+

BoP is also just a more common card because it's been around since alpha

And it's like 5x cheaper

[sleek ferry]

Also, out of 4 godo lists that topped (mono red) not a single one was on ragavan

So you might want to check yourself Misty, before you come at me crazy like that. You’re not the only one that plays the format

I’m trying to see if I can find cash card’s topping lists to see how many were on ragavan, since that was the last premier cedh event

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/bookmarks/EZa67-cash-cards-unlimited-september-2022

peep the ragavans

https://cedh-decklist-database.com/

also all the red decks on ragavan

[trail anvil]

just noticed something, is rograkh just red despite having no red in its mana nor its text?

cause ik some cards specify the color they are in the text sometimes, idk when that needs to happen

[copper pecan]

it's red because of the little circle next to the typeline

[golden plover]

Yeah, old kobolds were the same way

[[Kobolds of Kherr Keep]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tmoc/27/kobolds-of-kher-keep

Kobolds of Kher Keep

Token Creature — Kobold
0/1

[golden plover]

[[Crimson Kobold]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/leg/139/crimson-kobolds

Crimson Kobolds <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Creature — Kobold
"Kobolds are harmless." —Bearand the Bold, epitaph
0/1

[dapper jacinth]

Someone just dumped 5 incubator tokens during my yugioh sneak

So i just took them

And like all of their mom cards

Lol

[lusty trench]

Man my promo pack pulls have been fire

Boseju yesterday, meathook today

[dense berry]

ragavan is nuts in the best of the best decks in the format

makes mana, pseudo draws cards and then when the board gets too clogged you can sac him to a diabolic intent or culling the weak

[clever sun]

He's easily one of the best creatures at the very least

[lusty trench]

They caught my lgs' card thief on camera

[dense berry]

yo lets gooo

press charges

[lusty trench]

The stuff they have evidence for was stuff that I immediately caught them taking, and the rest is like £25, which I CBA to sort out

[sleek ferry]

Man, guy didn’t even let me pop off

[dense berry]

they would take much more if they could

[sleek ferry]

Alright

I’ve come to the conclusion that

Current standard actually feels bad to play

Explorer is far superior

[trail anvil]

god beating ragavan is actually so satisfying, even if it is an early concede

they threw hard with that lightning strike precombat into an open g but could've outvalued their way out of it still

shotuout to mul daya pulling back a slow hand by hitting the broken land on top

[sleek ferry]

Legitly, the fact that half the decks in the meta are just looking to reanimate atraxa is so boring

[zinc shard]

Definitely can see Atraxa being banned

[clever sun]

Nah

She's not that broken

[sleek ferry]

She takes forever to get to, she’s not broken per say, but it makes every grind game so boring vs these decks

There’s no reason why I should be seeing fucking mono green and Gruul on atraxa in the ladder

Shit goes from “oh shit cool a Gruul deck”

[twilit canyon]

question; why are u seeing either deck on the ladder

they both suck

[sleek ferry]

To nvm it’s another atraxa deck

[twilit canyon]

only viable gruul deck: splash atraxa

only viable green deck: play atraxa

[sleek ferry]

Hard stuck plat 1 due to my mana base being shit

Trying to get farm up wild cards

But it’s a process

Averaging around 2 rare wild card every 3-4 days

[waxen timber]

Gruul doesn't have to play atraxa. Can play Etali as their 7 mana threat

[golden plover]

So the reason most walkers lost their sparks is really dumb

Apparently... The Sylex went off in the blind eternities (it didn't iirc but okay???)

And now random walkers don't have their spark because of it

[hidden ermine]

... wait what?

But the Sylex, if it went off, would've gone off much earlier

When Elspeth was in the blind eternities

[golden plover]

It went off on phyrexia, no?

When Elspeth nuked herself in the ONE story

I don't remember it getting mentioned at all in the MOM story

So if the Elspeth use was what lost all the walkers their sparks, that should have happened before MOM

Not a few weeks later (literally weeks passed in the story between it)

[hidden ermine]

It started going off but she planeswalked away in time

And yeah, thats the problem

The timeline doesnt work

[golden plover]

Yeah it just feels like a quick excuse for "we need a reason the walkers can't Planeswalk"

And it also only affected random walkers

Chandra and Ajani are fine

[hidden ermine]

Im ok with that part

[golden plover]

Koth, Nissa, and Teferi are fucked

But also, in the MOM story Teferi noticed it in Nissa and was fine??

This plot point doesn't make any fucking sense

That one leaked card made it look like something was taking the sparks from people and that would have been way better

That way you could explain why it happened gradually over time and why random people are safe

Also, another weird unrelated issue: Nissa's body mods were "a shell she was able to take off"

There's 0 chance that's just a random suit they shoved her in

I guess they needed an excuse for why she was able to go back to normal immediately

[twilit canyon]

where is this info from

[golden plover]

The story chapter

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/she-who-breaks-the-world

[lusty trench]

What

Why the hell would that affect anything

[golden plover]

Who knows?

Also, they explicitly mentioned that Elspeth took it to a faraway lifeless plane

So it shouldn't have been in the blind eternities at all

[lusty trench]

Didn't the last sylex detonation turn urza into a planeswalker?

[golden plover]

The Sylex does whatever the writers think it does each time

[lusty trench]

Why does this one take sparks?

[golden plover]

Commander

Plot convenience

[hidden ermine]

Elspeth woke up in the blind eternities

So technically thats not true

[golden plover]

But the story mentioned her planeswalking to a plane

I guess the story has been inconsistent this whole time

But it was something that could be shrugged off until it randomly became "the biggest change to the MTG lore"

Love how the biggest affect of the war wasn't anything phyrexian, they hardly mattered. It was a random bomb going off before the war

[twilit canyon]

this is totally fine

werent there complaints that they immediately moved on to a new big bad?

this isnt a new big bad instead

a consequence of realmbreaker and the filigree sylex

[lusty trench]

This sounds like it's just consequences of the sylex which like... Ehhhhhhh it feels odd that the syelx just went "oh shit" about a few hours after it went off and then sucked up random people's sparks

[twilit canyon]

we dont know yet the extent

that portal def isnt natural

[lusty trench]

That's fair enough, hopefully it resolves in a way that makes sense

[twilit canyon]

it doesnt has to be resolved

this is a consequence to the multiverse

the heroes failed to stop phyrexia's realmbreaker

they failed to detonate the sylex on time and to prevent an innumerable number of worlds from dying, they took it to the blind eternities

[lusty trench]

I'm not asking for their sparks to be returned

I just want to know why things worked out this way other than "we said it did despite the other sylex doing absolutely nothing like that"

[twilit canyon]

i have news regarding storytelling u might wanna hear...

[lusty trench]

Thing does thing despite thing previously doing completely different thing is bad writing

So I'm hoping they will actually explain it

[fallow citrus]

Hasn't the sylex already done two different things though, or did karn's one just never go off

[lusty trench]

Ajani crumpled it

As well as this, the new sylex saheeli made is described as a perfect replica of urzas one

[twilit canyon]

the sylex has done very different things bc it works off channeling the users desire

it can theoretically do anything

but an all-consuming explosion in the blind eternities due to jace no longer caring about the outcome? definitely caused damage to the blind eternities

[lusty trench]

Wasn't the last user Elspeth or was it like... Jace used it and Elspeth transported it?

[fallow citrus]

pretty sure it was the latter right

cause like why would she ever have set it off randomly herself

[twilit canyon]

jace used it

[lusty trench]

Probably? Idk why a completed Jace was like "Only get rid of these planeswalkers, not the other ones they're cool"

[twilit canyon]

phyrexian jaxe did

*jacr

**jace

[lusty trench]

Idk I'm just gonna wait for the next bit me thinks before I jump the gun

[twilit canyon]

thats not what jace wished into the sylex

he just wanted it to all be over

[hidden ermine]

A few days actually

And yeah idk, I dont mind this in concept

But the execution is not good

[twilit canyon]

this is just the initial phase of it

who knows what else will happen

[hidden ermine]

Like it just feels like this wasnt planned very well

Besides the Sylex doing yet another thing it never did before, it also is messy timeline-wise

[twilit canyon]

sylex has always done different things

im more curious on what happens if a walker loses their spark mid-walk

[hidden ermine]

Do planeswalks actually last long enough for that to be possible?

[twilit canyon]

i would imagine it could happen

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/FqaaUVQC38Y

[modern minnow]

why does he look so much more deranged in the shorts

[hidden ermine]

Also I just realised

With Teferi desparked again

That means he could get back the spark again again

[twilit canyon]

nah i would hope its done for everyone who lost it

[hidden ermine]

It didnt stick last time soooo

[twilit canyon]

last time was a bit different

[hidden ermine]

Eh

IT was different in that only he was affected

[twilit canyon]

yea with so many affected and them saying its a big change to the multiverse i can see no more resparking

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1102746367207673896/image.png?width=920&height=638

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/210430323320815626/1102740164415074345/image.png?width=1257&height=662

truly, the "for sale: baby shoes, never worn" of magic cards

we were this close to greatness

[sleek ferry]

How good is [[nahiri’s wayfaring]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “nahiri’s wayfaring”

[sleek ferry]

[[nahiri’s Warcrafting]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/155/nahiris-warcrafting

Nahiri's Warcrafting <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Nahiri's Warcrafting deals 5 damage to target creature, planeswalker, or battle. Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the excess damage dealt this way. You may exile one of those cards. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. You may play the exiled card this turn.
"Zendikar must be broken before it can be saved."

[sleek ferry]

Mainly for explorer/standard

[copper pecan]

fine in standard, probably not good in explorer

[sudden lava]

frog 😮

[dense berry]

seems like they're doing a bang up job ruining the story again

[twilit canyon]

oops i told myself i was gonna go to diamond 4 with wizards but i ended up all the way to diamond 2

kethis from here to mythic it is

[trail anvil]

damn kethis is still poppin?

I was fuckin terrible at that deck

[atomic harness]

edh did not go well we were stuck playing w the higher level pod because they were the only available ppl.

Gonna try again this week to see if it's any better

[twilit canyon]

arguably best deck rn

[copper pecan]

people keep saying that the reason why march of the machine is so bomby is because of the bonus sheet but i don't think that's true

[[boon bringer valkyrie]] is in the main set and is way more bomby than most of the cards on the bonus sheet

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/9/boon-bringer-valkyrie

Boon-Bringer Valkyrie <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Warrior
Backup 1 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. If that's another creature, it gains the following abilities until end of turn.)
Flying, first strike, lifelink
Her blades were twin beacons, calling the worthy to glory and the wretched to despair.
4/4

[copper pecan]

i think the reason people are focusing on the bonus sheet is because the fact that all the cards on it are alternate frames makes those cards more memorable even when they aren't all that strong

[atomic harness]

Tell em Salt

[twilit canyon]

aye

boon bringer fucks

[copper pecan]

it's better than baneslayer most of the time and baneslayer is already a ridiculous bomb in limited

[sleek ferry]

[baneslayer]

[[baneslayer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/6/baneslayer-angel

Baneslayer Angel <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel
Flying, first strike, lifelink, protection from Demons and from Dragons
Some angels protect the meek and innocent. Others seek out and smite evil wherever it lurks.
5/5

[golden plover]

Story update: Nahiri's compleation was reversed by.... Nothing

It just happened because it did

She just woke up normal

[twilit canyon]

same

[golden plover]

So i guess it wasn't this big complicated process at all?

[twilit canyon]

where is the story chapter

[golden plover]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/beyond-repair

[twilit canyon]

ty

[golden plover]

And the whole "her body was dead but the compleation was animating it" thing was a lie

Also already reconning MOM chapters

[hidden ermine]

Wait didnt whats her name sacrifice herself to undo compleation on Ajani Nissa

[golden plover]

There wasn't a burst of halo that hit her in the Zendikar chapter

[golden plover]

Melira. Yeah

And it also took Karn's spark

But nah, that's not the case

Nahiri just slept it off

[lusty trench]

Nahiri built different

Frfr

[hidden ermine]

I guess it made Meliras and Tamiyos deaths meaningless

Though at least the latter makes sense in-universe

[hidden ermine]

There was

[golden plover]

Was there? I just remembered them caving her in

[hidden ermine]

Yeah one of the characters (Whose name eludes me) throws a necklace of halo at her

Like its weird that she just uncompleated herself

But its all in continuity

[golden plover]

Oh weird

Still super weird she's just randomly uncompleated tho

The rules on all of this just change whenever they feel like it

[twilit canyon]

yea she got smashed with halo

either way good chapter

any chapter where nahiri suffers is good and great

fuck nahiri

[lusty trench]

Did nahiri get to keep her spark or no?

[twilit canyon]

nope

which is good

she deserves nothing

[hidden ermine]

No, it breaks

Which tbh felt weird

But I get what theyre going for

[twilit canyon]

if nahiri has a million haters, i am one of them.
if nahiri has ten haters, i am one of them.
if nahiri has no haters, that means i am no more on earth.
if the world supports nahiri, i am against the world.
i hate nahiri till my last breath... diehard nahiri hater.

[lusty trench]

Nahiri deserves it purely for making sorin have to kill avacyn

Like I get sorin was a lazy dickhead but god damn

[twilit canyon]

she also brought upon an existential threat to an entire population

and was 100% ready to destroy all of new zendikar to restore her race's previous glory

[hidden ermine]

https://media.wizards.com/2023/mat/en_a3967b0798.png

Whos the planeswalker in the middle?

[twilit canyon]

idk

[hidden ermine]

God thats so confusing to me

[copper pecan]

i think it might be curse guy?

or maybe teferi?

[hidden ermine]

Would feel weird though because theyre all notable walkers getting desparked otherwise

And Teferi doesnt have hair

Well

He doesnt have that much hair

[golden plover]

It looks like Gideon

So yeah, who is that

[hidden ermine]

I assume it has to be someone in the aftermath set with a card

Since everyone else has one

[twilit canyon]

niko

[golden plover]

Sarkhan then?

He doesn't dress like that

[twilit canyon]

its niko

[hidden ermine]

Niko?

Yeah I dont think its Sarkhan

But I cant see who else it could be

Its too masculine looking for Narset

[golden plover]

Niko has blue hair tho

And they don't have a card in the set

It's definitely not Niko

I guess it's gotta be Teferi?

But he doesn't have a card in the set either

Yeah, that's Tef's coat

[twilit canyon]

kinda?

it probs is teferi

[golden plover]

His face looks off model, but it's definitely his outfit

[twilit canyon]

i would find it interesting tho if all walkers would lose their spark and it became a separate entity like nahiri and then future walkers need to be flipped into the walker

[hidden ermine]

I dont think its Teferi

The figure has a full head of hair

Long hair too

[golden plover]

I think the art is just kinda bad tbh

Like Karn already shouldn't be there with the rest

[hidden ermine]

... I think its Narset

It has to be

No one else fits

[golden plover]

It's Tef, but off model

Look at the outfit

[twilit canyon]

[[narset parter of veils]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/61/narset-parter-of-veils

Narset, Parter of Veils <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Narset
Each opponent can't draw more than one card each turn.
−2: Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Loyalty: 5

[hidden ermine]

The outfit is close but itsn ot a perfect match

[hidden ermine]

Teferis spikes are bigger, and he only has 1 set of spikes

[golden plover]

Narset's outfit is VERY different

[hidden ermine]

.. yeah its Narset

[copper pecan]

wait it could be sarkhan

[hidden ermine]

Nah Sarkhan is shirtless

[copper pecan]

actually nvm it looks like it is narset

[hidden ermine]

Yeah its off-model Narset

It has the double spikes

[golden plover]

Definitely not Sarkhan

[twilit canyon]

sarkhan doesnt believe in shirts

[golden plover]

It's Tef, but off model

[hidden ermine]

And the long hair

And the golden thing around the neck

Its 100% Narset

[twilit canyon]

im on narset train

[golden plover]

Narset's spikes are gold and the rest of her outfit is blue

[twilit canyon]

she has a card too

[hidden ermine]

Yeah she does

[golden plover]

Teferi's are blue with the rest being white

[hidden ermine]

Narset is the only one that fits cleanly

Teferi doesnt have a card, doesnt have two sets of shoulderspikes and doesnt have long hair

God that is some wack-ass art

[golden plover]

No one fits clearly tho. The outfit is entirely wrong for her

[hidden ermine]

The outfit mostly fits actually, she has the double spikes

[golden plover]

I guess it's her, but it's her in what's basically tef's outfit

[hidden ermine]

And the golden neck thing

[golden plover]

Actually Narset has looked entirely different every card

They can't keep a consistent model for her

So yeah, I guess it's her

Like how is this

And this

The same woman

I'm not even counting enlightened master since that's a different timeline

[hidden ermine]

Anyway, the omenpaths are permanent

So yeah, cross-planar travel is easier now

Also the planes are all intended to be changed by Phyrexia, though I dont expect that to stick

[twilit canyon]

i would hope it sticks for a while

[golden plover]

I mean, we didn't see much post-phyrexian stuff in the art for half the aftermath cards

Like the ikoria, Zendikar, Theros, and Dominara cards just looked the same as always

[hidden ermine]

I expect it to last for a bit

A year, maybe two

[golden plover]

I guess we'll see moving forward, but it looked like it just kinda happened like the last two invasions did

[hidden ermine]

But I dont think itll last past that

Itll get old fast

[golden plover]

I mean, there should at least be some visible effects of the third invasion in the multiverse

Considering the first two kinda had none

[sudden lava]

I wonder what the new eldrazzi gonna do

[golden plover]

But I wouldn't be surprised if there's hardly any this time either

[hidden ermine]

Nah I think there will be some

But not forever

And I dont think anyone wil lfault them for not doing the "Phyrexia changed this plane forever!" thing after the 6th plane

[golden plover]

Yeah, true

I just wanna see more effects than the last two multiverse conflicts

[lusty trench]

I wonder how they'll handle the eldrazi invasion in future to differentiate it

First round was pure eldritch horror
Second was eldritch mixed with Victorian style horror
What they gonna do next

[twilit canyon]

yea like have some reference and move on

some planes dont need a full detailed look at how they changed post phyrexia

[last glen]

DINOSAUR

probably not good in Dinosaur tribal

but

DINOSAUR

[golden plover]

Huh guess it is Narset

Yet again, her entire design looks entirely different from last time we saw her too

They cannot keep her look consistent

[hidden ermine]

True

[golden plover]

Oh god

Sarkhan

What did they do to you

Wotc just hire more furries of you're gonna have them show up

Hell, y'all already have a furry on the team

Get her to do the art

[hidden ermine]

I dont get why Ob is on Capenna again

[golden plover]

Good question

He literally Planeswalked off Capenna at the end of the story

He went "my plan is greater than you'll ever know" and now he's back?

https://preview.redd.it/6h2hvvjvagxa1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e46223e1b6801f15051ddae243c62ac116c3eb64

Man I really don't like this Tazri

The other art is okay, but this one is weird and why's she not an ally now

[twilit canyon]

she serves in every single outfit she has

[golden plover]

True, but like her age and general design seem to change wildly every art

Shes probably one of the characters with the least consistent appearance

[twilit canyon]

truw

*true

but she slays every time

[golden plover]

True

A lot of this art for this set feels like slush art btw

Like this one is really off model too

[hidden ermine]

Yeah thats what bothers me

https://i.redd.it/2fdkbdp7agxa1.png

This art feels weird

[golden plover]

I legit feel like every card in this set is slush art

All the arts feel off

This one just outright shouldn't exist

Plargg is dead

He got compleated and Killian pushed him off the roof

[twilit canyon]

his death was greatly exaggerated

[hidden ermine]

Also ´judging by the dino thopters flavour text

Saheeli and Huatli might be desparked?

There goes the dinobots ship

[twilit canyon]

hey there might be an omenpath

also as i said earlier

its safer to assume everyone not explicitly chandra and ajani lost their sparks

and quintorius

tho itd be funny if quintorius lost it too

gained a spark, got dumped to ixalan, and then immediately loses it

[hidden ermine]

There might be an omenpath, but it seems they havent found it

I also doubt Jace lost his park

[twilit canyon]

jace and vraska likely dead

[hidden ermine]

I dont think thats realistic

They wouldnt off-screen characters that important

[twilit canyon]

lol

[hidden ermine]

And the fact that Jace just randomly fucked off mid-story and hasnt been seen since

Makes me think theyre setting something up

[twilit canyon]

what i think is we next see jace and vraska dead together

[copper pecan]

didn't we literally see vraska planeswalk away

[twilit canyon]

no

we only infer that her body was never found on ravnica

[copper pecan]

i'm pretty sure that's supposed to imply that she isn't dead

[twilit canyon]

perhaps

[golden plover]

Norn literally told Jace to go do something and we never saw him again

He's either still doing that thing or he randomly healed like Nahiri did and it didn't matter

[twilit canyon]

maybe she only got to live long enough to find jace, stop his mission from norn and then they died together

i had a hunch

that elspeth's visions came from jace

but thatd be too good writing for wotc

[golden plover]

This is the best art in the set and even then, it's still a little off model

Definitely leans to my "all the art is slush art" theory

Since Kasmina has orange hair

[copper pecan]

or that just isn't kasmina

[twilit canyon]

yea idt thats kasmina

[golden plover]

She's got Kasmina's outfit on and fits what Kasmina has been training people to do

Maybe she's supposed to be one of Kasmina's people?

[hidden ermine]

Eh

Thats not really Kasminas outfit

[copper pecan]

kasmina's outfit doesn't look like that

[golden plover]

It's definitely a bit different actually, yeah

But it's still pretty similar

[last glen]

Jace and Vraska get the "no one's seen them" bit in the written story

so that's the "not dead" flag ticked

[golden plover]

Yeah Ajani saying "we didn't find their bodies" might as well say "they're still alive"

[twilit canyon]

subvert the trope

kill them

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/mat-metropolis-reformer-weeklymtg-v0-dbedf62ncgxa1.png?s=b6d42830c1a03826a9242b3ecea81e9ed0d57986

yo doesn't this go insanely hard?

white has a million ways to pump so this thing looks like it becomes a problem super quick

https://i.redd.it/mat-cosmic-rebirth-weeklymtg-v0-tu5h2x6bdgxa1.png?s=6d349f4c464964f7c421899c9f9205fd947b48df

also wish this one wasn't in white but maybe we see some fun stuff given this can return a wedding announcement or something

[sudden lava]

oh reveal day?

lots of reveals

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Harnessed-Snubhorn-400x559.jpg

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Nashi-Moons-Legacy-400x559.jpg

Legendary rat tribal

[copper pecan]

ogey

[lusty trench]

If you didn't like the last spark rupture art, here's a different one

I have zero clue what the hell this art is showing but

I think I like it more than the other one?

[fallow citrus]

it's nissan having her spark slurped

[golden plover]

Someone @ Quentin Tarantino

[last glen]

so how long until they re-spark everyone

[sleek ferry]

“You have hexproof” fuck you wizards

[trail anvil]

?

[golden plover]

Give it like 3 sets?

More or less

[copper pecan]

what's wrong with you have hexproof?

[sleek ferry]

I hate player hexproof

Also for 3 mana that seems extremely cheap in standard

[twilit canyon]

player hexproof is irrelevant

[lusty trench]

Text is irrelevant, I can still attack them with colossal dreadmaw

[clever sun]

Not quite what Misty meant with player hexproof is irrelevant...

Either way, this whole set really does look like ass

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, we've seen the entire set for weeks

There's like 2(?) Good cards?

Karn and something else but I can't remember what

[clever sun]

Nah there are more than two good cards they just

Aren't great

[trail anvil]

honestly pretty sure it's mostly there so they don't burn face

[clever sun]

I am not surprised at the middling card quality because they probably don't want something truly powerful out there in standard for a few months before rotation

[waxen timber]

I think that player hexproof protects from invoke despair which might come up

[lusty trench]

Sarkhan is good in dragon edh but that's just niche

[clever sun]

Someone better at image editing, please edit the Supreme jacket onto him

Anyways this Niv is very very powerful

WUBRG Lier with protection built onto the body

I can see 5c Niv decks playing a copy of this to tutor for when necessary

[hidden ermine]

Oops all Niv-Mizzets

He did stand out to me as being pretty good

The hexproof effect is also really relevant

Does modern even have non-monocoloured removal?

[zinc shard]

Legit do not know what to cut

[clever sun]

Terminate

That's it actually huh

At least only relevant one

Wait shit is this Niv actually modern-relevant?

Easy top end for Domain Zoo? Nah too much mana

But 4-5c Midrange decks and Rhinos can run him

Jump-start for all your cascaders easily

Well not Shardless

[hidden ermine]

Isnt Violent Outburst the only cascader it works with?

I dont think the deck runs other 2-colour spell cascaders anymore

[clever sun]

Outburst yeah

[hidden ermine]

You can use Expressive Iteration again

[clever sun]

No

Rhinos cannot use EI

[hidden ermine]

No I meant in general

EI is a busted card, and now you can have (pseudo) 8 copies

[clever sun]

Rhinos have also teched and will sometimes continue to tech [[Prismari Command]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/214/prismari-command

Prismari Command <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Choose two —
• Prismari Command deals 2 damage to any target.
• Target player draws two cards, then discards two cards.
• Target player creates a Treasure token.
• Destroy target artifact.

[hidden ermine]

Tbh Im not sure how many 2-colour instant/sorceries most 4C Midrange decks run nowadays

Didnt those get streamlined a lot?

[clever sun]

Yeah a fair bit

You do see some Eladamri's Call still

and Terminate

Oh and Dovin's Veto

Expressive Iteration of course but not all 4-5c Midrange runs it

[hidden ermine]

Oh really?

[clever sun]

Yeah some are just too deep on Elemental Value

Max copies of [[Risen Reef]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/217/risen-reef

Risen Reef <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever Risen Reef or another Elemental enters the battlefield under your control, look at the top card of your library. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped. If you don't put the card onto the battlefield, put it into your hand.
"No, not 'washed' ashore. It walked ashore." —Shafring Hulm, beachcomber
1/1

[hidden ermine]

Ah

So you minimise the whiffs

[clever sun]

And 70 cards

[hidden ermine]

... wait 70 cards?

[clever sun]

Yes

Deck plays for the long game and 60 cards actually decks out

[hidden ermine]

Oh Yorion was banned, right