Magic the Gathering

[lusty trench]

Fliers as always were super strong in this pre release

Mainly cause this format hates creature removal that is more than 3 toughness

[dapper jacinth]

Ngl skyflayer guy was really helpful for me

Also saw someone use an ixeep, omen of the ghoti as a token lol

Turns out that mardu was actually pretty good

I got the removal and the fliers

I straight up had a combo turn where i topdecked the swamp i needed from a spell lol

Which was funny cause my opponent pulled a foil sword of once and future

[trail anvil]

didn't they say the same thing about sheoldred

[glad peak]

In limited?

Almost any 4 mana 4/5 with upside is going to be good in limited

And the context of the set is much different, this isn’t an aggro format and norn is an anti aggro card

If you start getting hit, you’re basically already dead

That being said, I can see norn becoming better as more people experiment more with the synergy decks and start to rely less on bombs-go

I’m glad to say blue does not feel like trash in this format (was sad about ONE’s blue pool)

[trail anvil]

oh you meant in limited still

I thought you meant constructed, where she'll have the pressure to build around her

[glad peak]

Yeah the only experience I have with MOM so far is limited

[twilit canyon]

from what i have seen from the streamer event this past week has been that norn has been a house in constructed

absurdly strong card

[hidden ermine]

https://preview.redd.it/78sj7ovuq0ua1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=b9b1ef70348060bbb3b5c865ecea77c7c35bf618

German Omnath continues to be hilarious

[lusty trench]

Imagine if the pithing needle ruling wasn't made

"I name omnath"
"...I need the entire name"

[copper pecan]

wait hold on

what did german reality chip's typeline look like

oh it's not as funny as i thought it would be

[golden plover]

Italian has the funny reality chip

[copper pecan]

equipaggiamento

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/12l970j/super_exploitable_mtgo_bug_with_zabaz_the/

lmfao

[copper pecan]

remember when planechase cards on mtgo had the chaos symbol replaced with the words "arabian nights" for seemingly no reason and they didn't fix this for years

[twilit canyon]

doomsday is also bugged on modo since last update

it now lets u pick from opponents gy too

p sure wall of roots is still bugged

[golden plover]

Zabaz Liberated

[twilit canyon]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SquareHappyDadPraiseIt-TI6Ei9V3WFcq4W21

wall of roots bug even affected a challenge

lol

recently too

[trail anvil]

what's the bug?

[sleek ferry]

Any massive changes in power coming to standard with MoM?

[twilit canyon]

probs noy

*not

[twilit canyon]

cant undo the mana effect

[[wall of roots]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/319/wall-of-roots

Wall of Roots <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Wall
Defender
Put a -0/-1 counter on Wall of Roots: Add . Activate only once each turn.
"Mana grows and changes like the roots of a plant. Like a plant, it must be nurtured." —Nissa Revane
0/5

[sleek ferry]

Damn, I really thought green would be more relevant this format

And not in the toxic/enchantment way

I miss playing green stompy or Gruul aggro

[dapper jacinth]

Grafted butcher + the skyflayer or kitesail was so busted in limited lol

Also really pleased with grafted butcher cause i was thinking of picking up the phyrexian tribal commander deck

I got breach the multiverse from a prize booster too so ill be playing that in my kathril aspect warper deck

Mill 10

[glad peak]

Oh right funny thing I found in mom draft

Incubate + [[brudiclad]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/193/brudiclad-telchor-engineer

Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Artificer
Creature tokens you control have haste.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 2/1 blue Phyrexian Myr artifact creature token. Then you may choose a token you control. If you do, each other token you control becomes a copy of that token.
4/4

[dapper jacinth]

Didn't get brudiclad but damn thats good

May have to purchase a brudiclad at some point

He is technically myr support

Todays pulls + promos

Im not good at pictures lol

Eternal witness is definitely going into my kathril aspect warper deck

Also bought these fellas for said commander deck

[glad peak]

[[kathril]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/10/kathril-aspect-warper

Kathril, Aspect Warper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Nightmare Insect
When Kathril, Aspect Warper enters the battlefield, put a flying counter on any creature you control if a creature card in your graveyard has flying. Repeat this process for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, reach, trample, and vigilance. Then put a +1/+1 counter on Kathril for each counter put on a creature this way.
3/3

[dapper jacinth]

The symbiotic swarm precon

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Q5fa-6qI502CU5WIQEZ4Vg
My current list after getting the new cards

It was finally time to cut tayam luminous enigma

He can have his own deck at some point

[lusty trench]

I got urabrasks flip fully off and I'm happy

[fallow citrus]

https://twitter.com/flavorjudgedraw/status/1647272570280976387?t=l-gosdBG4cK1tfWSKFUf-Q&s=19

MTG flavor judge drawings (@flavorjudgedraw)

https://t.co/xSLJs6Nusg

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[trail anvil]

lmao yeah

[golden plover]

Not a bad pre-release at all

Bundles seem to have a print issue

Every booster has a list card

[lusty trench]

Nice stuff there pope

You get a booster box or something?

[golden plover]

Got a bundle and a collector booster on top of my pre-release pack

Might unironically try [[Invasion of Vyrn]] in Elsha

[lost widget]

No card found for “Invasion of Vyrn”

[golden plover]

[[Invasion of Vryn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/64/invasion-of-vryn-overloaded-mage-ring

Invasion of Vryn <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Vryn enters the battlefield, draw three cards, then discard a card.
Defense: 4

Overloaded Mage-Ring
Artifact
, , Sacrifice Overloaded Mage-Ring: Copy target spell you control. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
"On my signal, disable the safeguards. Let's blow these metal freaks right back to their own world!" —Gav Beleren, mage-ring engineer

[golden plover]

It's a flashable draw 3 that also can sometimes copy a spell

[golden plover]

HOLY SHIT

[lusty trench]

House always wins, but stupidity helps the inevitability

[golden plover]

That shit was worth 10 collectors booster boxes

[zinc shard]

BAH GAWD THATS KARN WITH A DARKSTEEL CHAIR!

[granite badge]

pain

[golden plover]

Time to attempt to sell the cards I pulled from the shady store at a store that doesn't suck

[lusty trench]

Me putting Elspeth's talent on teferi master of time

3 3/3s every turn feels goooooood

[golden plover]

Unironically the owner of the store that I went to pre-release at (it's the only one in the city that does it on Sundays) said the reason unfinity sucked was "because they went too woke"

[lusty trench]

Ah yes

[golden plover]

Nah, unfinity sucked because it didn't have a focus and they just printed a bunch of bad cards

[lusty trench]

Space dog planeswalker

Woke

[golden plover]

Dude also left this response to a 1 star google review

[lusty trench]

Oh boy

Here we go

[golden plover]

What sucks is that they've got a really cool selection of boxes in there

[lusty trench]

Do they push the new product?

[golden plover]

Like I saw Dark Ascension, JP strixhaven, BattleBond, etc

Stuff I'd love to draft

[lusty trench]

battlebond

I fucking love battlebond

Pulled two doubling seasons in the same pack

[golden plover]

Same, I'd love to draft BattleBond with some friends

But I don't wanna give them $400 to buy it from them

I'll probably realistically never draft BattleBond again anyways

And at that price, I can make a cube

[lusty trench]

Battlebond cube...

That's a good idea

[golden plover]

Oh why was I thinking Norn made 2 5/5s

She makes 5 2/2s

[copper pecan]

how did they even come to this conclusion

like

i don't understand what could have possibly made them think the set was "woke" in any way

[golden plover]

I really wanna know myself

But the other store within 5 miles gives me 85% trade-in value for store credit, has a cedh scene, and just seems nicer

Traded in MOM Norn, Jin, and a few other things and I'll trade in the MH2 Evocation Cycle soon

They won't take new foils for a week or so just in case but other than that, they're cool

[trail anvil]

woke is whatever makes you angry that day, especially if that's minorities

[golden plover]

Can't believe they put women with swords in my fantasy card game

[fallow citrus]

yeah it should be women with huge battleaxes instead

[copper pecan]

oh my god i think i figured it out

it's because they made [[vorthos]] a woman

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/unf/126/vorthos-steward-of-myth

Vorthos, Steward of Myth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Gamer
As Vorthos, Steward of Myth enters the battlefield, choose a named Magic character.
Each spell you cast with the chosen character in its name, flavor text, or art costs less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
"Just wait, my Madara deck isn't all Emperor Bolas. There's an Umezawa subtheme!"
1/3

[trail anvil]

bruh they made spike a woman too lol

they really just can't handle characters being not male

[golden plover]

True

[golden plover]

Holy shit you might be right

[trail anvil]

doing my first mtg prerelease, wish me luck

[golden plover]

Good luck

[glad peak]

You’ll be fine

Just play all your rares because this prerelease is hella bomb heavy

[golden plover]

Yeah, especially the bonus sheet

[trail anvil]

gotcha

is this sealed?

[golden plover]

Usually, yeah

And you can't use the MOC card

[glad peak]

The fixing in my pod was hella bad, almost every one of my friends was playing 3c except me and none of them opened many duals

Some stores let you use the MOC card

[trail anvil]

MOC?

[glad peak]

There will be a commander specific card in your prerelease kit

[trail anvil]

oh right

[glad peak]

My friend somehow opened squee and slimefoot in both prerelease pack and regular pack

This shop let us use the MOC card but it was weird to see MOC in a regular pack, that shouldn’t happen, right?

[twilit canyon]

nope

[sleek ferry]

Are you sure? I thought they said every pack came with a MOC card

At least that’s what every single commander podcast has been saying

[golden plover]

Pre-release bundles are draft packs

They shouldn't have Set booster cards in them

And not every set booster comes with an MOC card anyways

[sleek ferry]

Idt I ever heard anybody say it was set booster exclusive

[golden plover]

It's not part of the main set

It's set booster exclusive

They've been doing this since at least kamigawa

[sleek ferry]

I just heard “every single pack will include a team up commander legendary creature”

[golden plover]

That's different

And even then, that's also not true

[sleek ferry]

I mean he reference squee and slimefoot

Which is a team up commander

[golden plover]

I think I figured out the confusion

Every pre-release bundle comes with 2 promos this time

The regular and one of the three MOC commander-only cards

The packs inside the bundle shouldn't have one tho

[trail anvil]

update: didn't go fantastic, should've went dimir or azorius instead of esper

one day I will learn that 3c is not great without fixing in limited

[zinc shard]

Nice Commander idiot

I still lost 😢

Honestly should just insta scoop when I see Atraxa, every games exactly the same

[golden plover]

Is Atraxa not put in the Kinnan/Kenrith jail?

[trail anvil]

afaik not yet

idk sometimes atraxa just does the thing it's really good at, sometimes I either outvalue them (cause hbrawl is fun and that's somehow possible) or race tehm

in the past I've autoquit vs that and rusko but I'm slowly starting to figure out ways to beat it, which makes it kinda fun

[zinc shard]

does anyone play EDH on Tabletop?

or any similar platform?

[copper pecan]

i played against 5 atraxa players in a row today in hbrawl

[atomic harness]

How good is curse of silence in standard?

[fallow citrus]

[[curse of silence]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/15/curse-of-silence

Curse of Silence <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name.
Spells with the chosen name enchanted player casts cost more to cast.
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card.

[sleek ferry]

I mean, ig depends on what you’re using it against

[zinc shard]

I see why people like this deck now

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/choosing-your-battles-part-2

it's so fucked up that they genuinely considered doing return to ulgrotha

[glad peak]

Why not?

Sure, homelands, but could be an interesting place

My friend really wants the new sheoldred because he believes her to be the most broken card ever

Too bad I’m not trading him my foil showcase sheoldred

[golden plover]

The most broken card ever is a... 4/5 with menace?

I genuinely cannot remember what she does, other than it being increasingly average

Oh she's [[Plaguecrafter]] on the front and [[Eldest Reborn]] on the back, right?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/107/plaguecrafter

Plaguecrafter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Shaman
When Plaguecrafter enters the battlefield, each player sacrifices a creature or planeswalker. Each player who can't discards a card.
"My power is generosity, in a way. I give my survivors an appreciation for their lives."
3/2

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/131/the-eldest-reborn

The Eldest Reborn <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker.
II — Each opponent discards a card.
III — Put target creature or planeswalker card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.

[hidden ermine]

[[Sheoldred]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/125/sheoldred-the-true-scriptures

Sheoldred <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Menace
When Sheoldred enters the battlefield, each opponent sacrifices a nontoken creature or planeswalker.
: Exile Sheoldred, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if an opponent has eight or more cards in their graveyard.
4/5

The True Scriptures
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — For each opponent, destroy up to one target creature or planeswalker that player controls.
II — Each opponent discards three cards, then mills three cards.
III — Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. Exile The True Scriptures, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

[hidden ermine]

I guess chapter 3 of the saga is crazy if you ever get to it

[golden plover]

Oh I was literally right

She's literally Plaguecrafter + Eldest Reborn

You just pick and get all for her back

But like you already got the best card from eldest Reborn

[golden plover]

Do I cut something for Urabrask in Elsha? On one hand, it's a backup Birgi

On the other, Birgi can be cast as her artifact side from the deck off Elsha and not mess up the combo

Urabrask can't do that

[lusty trench]

Counterpoint

Urabrask funni

Also you can flip em to ping stuff for 3

[golden plover]

True

He's also a psuedo-breach if they're not dead by then

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckH6LCfOjS8&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

[lusty trench]

Getting a wrenn and realmbreaker, Jin gitaxis and birgi at the end of the month

Unironically looking forward to the jin the most

[golden plover]

I pulled a foil Wrenn and Realmbreaker from the pack I bought with store credit

Probably gonna sell her, but she's cool

[atomic harness]

@clever sun @twilit canyon @fallow citrus

friend is entrusting his faldorn precon to me and I kinda wanna play/upgrade mess around with it

[fallow citrus]

faldorn?

[atomic harness]

Yeah cute wolf maker

funny exile heehoo

[twilit canyon]

u get the new wren's resolve

its p solid

[atomic harness]

oo thats good ya

[twilit canyon]

[[reckless impulse]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/174/reckless-impulse

Reckless Impulse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
A stitcher looks at their creation and sees the result of years of study and hours of toil. A devil sees a new plaything.

[twilit canyon]

light up the stage

blazing crescendo

experimental synthesizer

actually wait

[fallow citrus]

oh that's cool

[twilit canyon]

u cant

[atomic harness]

synthesizer

o

[twilit canyon]

cus synth has white

[atomic harness]

[[experimental synthesizer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/138/experimental-synthesizer

Experimental Synthesizer <:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
When Experimental Synthesizer enters or leaves the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
, Sacrifice Experimental Synthesizer: Create a 2/2 white Samurai creature token with vigilance. Activate only as a sorcery.

[twilit canyon]

and commander is fucking stupid

[atomic harness]

wait no it works right? bc its not a white color

I remember it being like that

[twilit canyon]

wait nvm i thought it was a white activated ability

[atomic harness]

as long as it isnt the color symbol

[twilit canyon]

yea u should be good

[atomic harness]

Poggies

[twilit canyon]

i thought it was 2w

[atomic harness]

yeye np

this is like get massive exile value go wide and beat ppl up with wolves right

[twilit canyon]

anyways i hate edh

yea its not good but its funny

[atomic harness]

yeah same but its all the kiddoes play nowadays here

modern lgs struggling theres like 4 ppl left at fnm lol

[twilit canyon]

[lusty trench]

I like edh because I can deck myself out like turn 3 and then watch everyone else suffer as I've windfalled away all their good stuff

[atomic harness]

I do wish I could play like

a non edh paper format since I like usual magic

standard heehoo

or modern or pauper etc

[lusty trench]

We straight up don't have fnm at my lgs

It's just commander

It's allllll commander

[atomic harness]

Yeah same jot

[lusty trench]

Unless it's prerelease

[atomic harness]

it turns out playing with more than one person isnt actually all that fun

[fallow citrus]

oh I should go to my prerelease tonight

[lusty trench]

Do it

[atomic harness]

enjoy kidda

[lusty trench]

Pull 2 ragavan

[twilit canyon]

pauper is solid

[lusty trench]

2 specifically

[atomic harness]

paup sounds fun but also yeah giga dead here

[fallow citrus]

paup is great yeah

[trail anvil]

sheesh this gold pack

[sudden lava]

I found a VERY old MTG video

https://youtu.be/qoO0fFAVXzE

I remember watching this tutorial back when I first was learning how to play

[twilit canyon]

knight errant will be so fucking insane

[trail anvil]

yeah I think monowhite aggro is gonna be huge

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

not just aggro

[[knight-errant of eos]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/26/knight-errant-of-eos

Knight-Errant of Eos <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
Convoke
When Knight-Errant of Eos enters the battlefield, look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal up to two creature cards with mana value X or less from among them, where X is the number of creatures that convoked Knight-Errant of Eos. Put the revealed cards into your hand, then shuffle.
4/4

[twilit canyon]

max 5 so it can find itself

but it can also find serra paragon, elesh norn, spirited companion and such for mono-white midrange

can tap off tokens from restoration of eiganjo and wedding announcement

[sleek ferry]

oh it's only top 6

i thought it was a new cedh win con for a sec

[twilit canyon]

not that broken

wait how was it winning

[fallow citrus]

I actually like

just got prereleased

someone had every single bomb ever against me

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[fallow citrus]

actually my face when they drop a good battle every turn then finish with sheoldred

[lusty trench]

Gonna be honest do not like the march of machines pre release

[fallow citrus]

I'd like it if I didn't get luck diff'd

[golden plover]

The mul sheet is way too bomby

[twilit canyon]

its so over yall

im gonna get some games in before its fixed

[sleek ferry]

i thought it searched from library, not top 6

[twilit canyon]

how would it be a wincon anyways? tutor spellseeker thoracle?

[golden plover]

Figured out the cut for Urabrask in Elsha

I was still playing [[Thermo-Alchemist]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/164/thermo-alchemist

Thermo-Alchemist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman
Defender
: Thermo-Alchemist deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, untap Thermo-Alchemist.
"Madness can't touch a mind ignited by genius."
0/3

[sleek ferry]

blink shenaningans

similar to vivien

[lusty trench]

Cringe

[twilit canyon]

they did ban ragavn all over

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[fallow citrus]

prerelease was a flop for me

got alt art obosh and kroxa at least

[copper pecan]

has anyone else been getting a bug with enchantment creatures having their art missing

[sleek ferry]

I just vsed back to back gw decks and I didn’t see it

[twilit canyon]

u already know how it is

we are token-maxing in this mono-white deck

double elspeth, double wanderer

imma see how it feels

[atomic harness]

wanderer

is this like superfriends white misty

I was wondering if more aggressive lists could still slot in twe

[twilit canyon]

no its just mono-white midrange

and yea

twe is insane in anything with white

takes some specific decks to not want to run her

[sudden lava]

Renren reminding me one of the precons is gonna be superfriends

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

best girl

[twilit canyon]

alright after a bit of testing, yea these ratios are probably good

i may wanna do something with progenitor exarch in the side

maybe main

as a mana sink

[sudden lava]

this is the precon Im more looking forward to, who shall be the new WUBRG sliver commander 😮

[sleek ferry]

Fun budget deck https://youtu.be/F1LeB7cPdec

I pulled 2 urabrask out of my first 10 packs so I only really had to spend 4 rares

[atomic harness]

Can you show me an image of the list thugguthy

and is it still on my homie kumano

[sleek ferry]

Also yep, still on Kumano

[atomic harness]

wow they let taylor swift in standard???

Kumano is so good

[sleek ferry]

I’m like looking at cool standard deck ideas

And some of these look super fun

Like this

[[monastery mentor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/28/monastery-mentor

Monastery Mentor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Monk creature token with prowess.
"One path. Many feet."
2/2

[sleek ferry]

[[baral and Kari zev]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/218/baral-and-kari-zev

Baral and Kari Zev <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human
First strike, menace
Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell each turn, you may cast a spell with lesser mana value that shares a card type with it from your hand without paying its mana cost. If you don't, create First Mate Ragavan, a legendary 2/1 red Monkey Pirate creature token. It gains haste until end of turn.
2/4

[sleek ferry]

Getting the mana base for jeskai is going to suck though

This one looks more feasible for me

[atomic harness]

cut down

[sleek ferry]

Ngl, I was iffy on battles

But I think the mechanic will be super fun in standard

[atomic harness]

I'm still a bit skeptical but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong if they're good

[sleek ferry]

Gruul

Different take on grixis

[trail anvil]

dude really tried to do trickery cheese in hbrawl lmao

[zinc shard]

oh god OG Atraxa is in Historic Brawl now

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/Chord_O_Calls/status/1648478569440636928?t=wmnM5qOlyt9_Cg-JbLQAQA&s=19

Alex Nikolic (@Chord_O_Calls)

March of Machine Draft Day 1 Thoughts, A thread:

Battles are solid, but aren't format defining. Most decks want 2-3, any more, you have a really tough time flipping them. There aren't many heuristics for evaluating them, but the cheaper the better (for non-rares)

Twitter · Apr 19, 2023, 12:08 AM

some nice info regarding the draft format

and im on my bs myself

title is misleading

but yea p sure i now have optimal mana for what i wanna do

[trail anvil]

[[sage of the falls]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/63/sage-of-the-falls

Sage of the Falls <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Whenever Sage of the Falls or another non-Human creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card.
Ask a merfolk even a simple question and the answer is a journey far beyond the known.
2/5

[trail anvil]

so just a whole bunch of digging too?

oh no that's just infinite lmao I forgot what that did

[sleek ferry]

Alright just tried jeskai tokens

Can confirm it is fun

[sleek ferry]

I'm super sold on the 3 mana mono red battle

shit is fucking stupid

holy shit man, this deck is legitly so fun

there's even a budget version you can do that's just izzet

[lusty trench]

Invasion of regatha does seem good

[sleek ferry]

4 to face for 3 mana + ping 1 is pretty nuts

[lusty trench]

Not only that if you can flip it as well

[sleek ferry]

yeah, i just did regatha, attack it, flip, cast another one

• play with fire for 10 damage

[zinc shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8W4l_aFVPtg?feature=share

[twilit canyon]

thats a lot of work

[sleek ferry]

This is the budget izzet list I’m rocking btw

Super cheap and super rewarding

Being able to game people from 14 life is great

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKGl-_gCmt0

LoadingReadyRun

[sudden lava]

New Gameknights episode lets go!!!

Nobody is on Praetor commander

[lusty trench]

BEAR FORCE ONE

[zinc shard]

Game Knights spoiler: ||Well that game was lame. Left the Hermit Druid alive on the deck that wants to fill its graveyard||

[sudden lava]

||The queen of bears should've smacked that druid, literal definition of a snowball||

[golden plover]

Oh right, I forgot that new Rona was good

[sleek ferry]

Gross obvious misplay to make a guest win

[rigid scarab]

||That might have been a bigger snoozefest than the Baldur's Gate game||

||I wonder how bad the other games were if that was the one they kept||

[atomic harness]

Goreclaw and not ayula

[sudden lava]

||He uses Ayula||

[atomic harness]

||oh whys she not on the thumbnail then?||

[sudden lava]

||because she wasn't his commander, the new Goreclaw is his commaner||

||she is confirmed to be in the 99, he literally used her for a good majority of the game||

[atomic harness]

||Ah okay, I wanted her to be commander tbh||

[strong quartz]

https://youtu.be/u200T6m3VvM

Chunk of the set got leaked

Only missing like 10 cards

https://imgur.com/a/ZAW9byH

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus gonna play edh again tomorrow hoping to just enjoy / have a decent time. I do have a lower power level pod to work with but the higher level friends have been missing me so I'll probably have to play punching bag to instawins for a few games

[sleek ferry]

You got this Ren

[atomic harness]

funnily enough I was gonna ping you for some insight thugguthy

[sleek ferry]

You’re using the new Gruul commander you picked up right?

[atomic harness]

Oh no since my friend who has it is actually going to come over and play so my secondary pod has like 3 players minimum now. I probably want to isolate them from the higher level pod though since they'd get creamed

my problem is the higher level pod has been missing me since like "hey you havent been playing with us for weeks now"

so I guess just to be nice I'll play and then get my ass kicked then go to my secondary pod

[sleek ferry]

You would probably enjoy that pod more if you had a separate deck made for vsing them

When the power level difference is too high it’s too hard to enjoy the games

[atomic harness]

Yeah if I had like cedh tnt or something I'd like it more
it just feels so garbage to be destroyed by uber expensive or high powered strats/cards

but I probably wouldnt enjoy cedh too much either way even if I buy into it

[lusty trench]

Heck was trying to link the Chandra nissa card

[sleek ferry]

I mean are they playing cedh or just high powered?

Even cedh games have been lasting longer lately tbh

[atomic harness]

very close to cedh yeah but not quite aside from one guy

it's just three people having an arms race on which instawin combo wins by turn 4

[sleek ferry]

It’s also hard if you can’t threat assess properly due to not knowing what the actual threats are given a given board state

[atomic harness]

most of the time their combo win comes out of nowhere too so its not like theres a threat to assess
or what happens is I kill combo man number 1 then combo guy number 2 pulls out

gamble into last chance into mondrak twinflame radrik etc

[sleek ferry]

Like in cedh you usually know “okay if this person has 6-7 available mana, then they can do this, so I should hold up interaction”

[atomic harness]

or I kill this one dude then the one guy goes silence into isochron etc

Like if one of them resolves a tutor the game is p much over

I usually do hold countermagic since I run the most out of the pod but I can only stop one player most of the time

[sleek ferry]

That sounds like everybody is just trying to go balls out for the win, while you stop 1 of them

[atomic harness]

yeah thats what the pod has become

[sleek ferry]

That’s probably why they want you back lol

[atomic harness]

so I dont rly play w them anymore

meanwhile that one time I brought my new buddy over and we played w two good friends who have decent (like honestly not garbo decks, mostly very synergistic w their commander) I think that was the most fun I've ever had

and it wasnt even because of winning either, the second match I got bodied by my new friend since he had 10 poison counters on me

[lusty trench]

Where did these planeswalkers' sparks go?

[sleek ferry]

The thing about commander also is, some commanders don’t gel well with others at the table

So sometimes you run into games that can be unfun due to the dynamic of certain commanders interaction vs yours or someone else’s

[rigid scarab]

Isn't this true for 1v1 also

Some decks just body others in the matchup

[sleek ferry]

Sure, but it’s a bit rarer in commander

But it does happen

[atomic harness]

I dont think it's happened to us in a while aside from this really wild child who played ayula and just fought every commander so only theirs could stick
honestly made me want to play the deck since he kept saying he built it for cheap and was bodying other wombo players too

because like hey their commander and creatures just do not stick to fight spam

[sleek ferry]

Yeah Ayula is super cheap

Honestly half of the new legendary creatures we got in MoM are all super cool

[rigid scarab]

This just sounds like people didn't fully know how to play against Ayula

[atomic harness]

thats the secret nobody knows how to play against green

[rigid scarab]

Are all your decks high power?

[atomic harness]

First pod has all higher power combo spam level decks but me at this point, second pod (my preferred one) everyone is about the same level

also I think the second pod just is more fun overall since its not

"hey I play tutor search this card I cast this card now i win if you dont stop me"

every game for like 10 games

[rigid scarab]

Don't feel pressured to join higher level pods

There's literally nothing that high power players have over low powered players other than that they use stronger cards

[atomic harness]

also I'm sure this is probably wrong but after getting bullied like that I've developed this weird hatred towards ppl playing expensive shit
like if I see you drop a true dual or a dockside or a ragavan I am beating the shit out of you with my constructs

[rigid scarab]

Lots of people are getting this idea that being able to play cedh is like

Commander ascension

Or something

It's literally just learning another competitive format

Low power players can very well be extremely competitive players who just like playing low power EDH

[atomic harness]

Yeah I love standard and modern and I've done a lot of mythic climbs a while back, high power edh just doesnt click for me

feels way too different when ppl just play tutors into instawins

so I just play mid level edh

[atomic harness]

also I hope I didnt sound like an ultra timmy, since the people who do complain about it usually in leddit are like told "l2p" "have you ever considered running answers"

because holy balls I have the most answers out of everyone in the pod

and most of them is to make it so the game doesnt end in 4 minutes

[atomic harness]

yeah I wish. They've been kind of egging on me since I dont play with them anymore (originally we all started out at precon level but their upgrades were ridiculously fast compared to mine)
itd be awkward if I go there and not play w them since all of them are going, so I'll just have to bite the bullet and play punching bag for a game or two

like just to get them off my back

[sleek ferry]

yeah, even at the highest level, most games last like 10-15 minutes minimum

[atomic harness]

I might not even use my countermagic just so the games end quicker

just to get out of there

say ggs then head to the pod I actually want to play with

I think like at least 5 games have ended because I deliberately didnt use my countermagic and everyone is on greedy lists so they dont always have countermagic for each other

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/gWRRD31TU44

yeah greedy players suck

[atomic harness]

Thank you for being understanding friends

will try to survive the combo onslaught tomorrow then have a good time after that

My vishgraz and my faldorn friend are going

I hope we see my kameez and ezuri / plant elemental gruul guy(?) friends too

[sleek ferry]

You guys should all pick up one of the new team up commanders and make a deck with the cards you guys have available for the next time

[atomic harness]

yeah maybe

I've been having an itch to play ayula though I know its not that good but it looks really fun

it just feels like a faster version of what I want to do and this time I can actually remove their creatures forcefully with fight

[rigid scarab]

90% of people dont care how good a commander is

[atomic harness]

yeah I picked up urza, chief artificer because I love urza, artifact creatures, karnstructs, and going face

oh and affinity

[sleek ferry]

even I don't have an esper sentinel smh

[atomic harness]

also yeah sure I have like some expensive cards in here like esper and saga but they dont instawin the game
gamble / demonic / vampiric into a win con does though

or like true duals into the expensive ass moxes then dude plays rhystic study, pisses off for a few turns then does narset windfall

maybe I just hate combo

[sleek ferry]

sounds like the birth of a stax player

[atomic harness]

the thought has crossed my mind

ethersworn canonist etc

[sleek ferry]

stax is cooler than people give it credit for tbh

[atomic harness]

I feel like if I'm forced to play in combo hell I should be allowed to play stax yeah

[sleek ferry]

you also get to play in colors a lot of people consider weaker, i.e white/green

[atomic harness]

also messed up how in the wombo pod how im always the threat simply because of my board presence when I can only kill one guy
when they usually kill all 3 if they go off

[sleek ferry]

the immediate threat of killing 1 is scarier to some people

[atomic harness]

that pod is just so unfun I really dont want to play there

[sleek ferry]

it's like uh jeska + the bird dude that pumps itself up and kills on 3rd rotation

[atomic harness]

like maybe if I was on like I dunno cedh emry or tnt or urza LHA with winter orb?

or grand augustin or whatever

[sudden lava]

new ||sea monster tribal ||commander 😮

[golden plover]

I don't get why ||so many of these are planeswalkers as creatures||? Did they all get compleated off screen?

Also wow these really don't feel like an "aftermath". Not much new story stuff is told

[lusty trench]

LETS GO

[fallow citrus]

oh wow

soldiers really getting their good meals

also knight support already isn't bad

oh wtf

[fallow citrus]

hopefully it goes well!

[atomic harness]

holy piss

[hidden ermine]

Wait whatd I miss

Do we already have aftermath spoilers?

[golden plover]

Yup

[hidden ermine]

Huh

||Thats a lot of non-walker walkers||

||Are we gonna see a slow phasing out of the planeswalker card type?||

[golden plover]

Nah, I think they're just trimming ones they don't really use

Note it's no one important. Just Samut, Sarkhan, Kiora, and a few others

None of these are primary characters except Nissa

[copper pecan]

the story literally isn't even out yet

[hidden ermine]

Ehhhh

Id call some of them important

||Sarkhan for example||

[golden plover]

I mean how much story can be told from "Dinosaur" or "Human Lord"

There's definitely a few story cards, but it seems like a random assortment rn

[rigid scarab]

What was the last Game Knights episode where every deck got to do its thing

For a show where they fully disclose that they do multiple games and choose the best one it seems really unlikely that a good amount of games they keep involves one person being mana screwed/flooded

[golden plover]

Honestly I can't think of a recent game knights that hasn't sucked

[twilit canyon]

we should have all of aftermath leaked today if the packs keep opening

[golden plover]

They always either feel forced or rushed

[lusty trench]

I mean this one wasn't bad, it has the classic edh failure to read cards and lack of proper threat assessment though

Graham you know what hermit druid does please

[rigid scarab]

Can you name me 1 impactful thing Jimmy and Josh did this game

[rigid scarab]

I think the Warhammer one was alright

[lusty trench]

Jimmy kinda got hated on early so never really did anything and Josh was actually doing okay at setting things up

[rigid scarab]

The Brothers War one was purely cared by a thin narrative of "OMG Prof is winning"

[lusty trench]

But Graham is sadly the reason that game was boring to watch

He's a great guy, very funny to be clear, but he needs to actually look at the board sometimes instead of making bear jokes

[rigid scarab]

Did his recent cancer battle have anything to do with it?

[lusty trench]

I doubt it, Graham's always been very bubbly for better or worse

[rigid scarab]

Also since like

The first D&D episode

They're spending a HUGE amount of time on set design

Which I really don't get

[lusty trench]

Most gamenights episodes are 33% advertisements, 33% fluff talk at the beginning and random other segments, 33% gameplay now

[rigid scarab]

I feel like the last episode where I can confidently say that I can go

Damn that was a great watch and a great game, and something I can definitely rewatch with no issues

Was Midnight Hunt

And even that's being generous

MH1 is the most viewed Game Knights episode for a reason

Not just because of the guests

[fallow citrus]

starting to think these commander videos aren't that good

[sleek ferry]

Play to win is good

[sleek ferry]

Gameknights fell off like shortly after covid

[zinc shard]

They knew exactly what they were doing lol

[rigid scarab]

It's a great entry point for CEDH

[rigid scarab]

Elder Dragon Hijinks and Commander At Home are quickly becoming my new favourites

I mean I'll still watch the latest Game Knights episode

Its once a month

Its inoffensive

[sleek ferry]

Also like they explain cedh thought process which is very good to know

[rigid scarab]

But man

Command Zone podcast is better content than modern GK

[zinc shard]

The worse one was The Ravnica one where Josh just soloed the entire table with Emmara

[clever sun]

All EDH content online is pretty shit but thats because EDH, itself, is pretty shit

[atomic harness]

True caster

[glad peak]

Indeed

[rigid scarab]

Based 1v1 enjoyer

[sleek ferry]

I mean I enjoy both too

But drinking while playing edh is a vibe

Losers take shots etc

[strong quartz]

I've found non cEDH content to generally be dull

Contrary to how most of the normal EDH shows tend to be very showy with camaraderie, albeit manufactured sometimes.

[rigid scarab]

Competitive Magic is probably the my favourite competitive TCG content to watch

Albeit not so much with cEDH because I may as well be watching vintage or something

[glad peak]

I think cedh is slightly more interesting than vintage mostly due to opponents generally having on average 3x the interaction than vintage but power 9 is pretty fun

[atomic harness]

Games were p good, we didnt play at the higher level pod so they were fairly balanced

Managed to win one which is average

both my friends had a good time too

Faldorn and Vishgraz

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus @sleek ferry

Funnily enough my faldorn friend who had the least upgrades managed to win in the last match
he rips ezuri's predation like a madman and tears the board asunder. But also he was setting up really well thanks to adventures and faldorn before that

I was fending off both the new ragavan teamup commander and the vishgraz friend

The one I won was vs wilson voltron, this Simic eksi/eski? flying token doubler fella and vishgraz

Spellskite really crippled the voltron guy and I let him one shot my vish friend since he was threatening a proliferate win. Had I spellskited the giant growth he wouldve lived

Then just barely had enough gas to 1v2 the two decks w my constructs and menace

[golden plover]

Bro they desparked Tyvar

This is stupid. The one good walker

[sleek ferry]

I mean this makes sense as a consequence for reverting his phyrexianism

[golden plover]

Tyvar wasn't compleated

[sleek ferry]

@atomic harness glad you had fun friend. How long did your session last?

[golden plover]

As far as we saw, Nissa is the only walker from the set who was

Since Ajani didn't get a card

[atomic harness]

Pretty good, like 4-5 hours

[sleek ferry]

damn, so you guys had a couple of good runs. This is the same group that got you into edh right?

[atomic harness]

Diff group

Me and my friend were from the first group but we split off for now since yeah higher power level lads. Then vishgraz fella is a new friend

We played w some of the regulars in the shop

We're still in decent terms w the higher lads just that we dont play due to the disparity so thats cool

[sleek ferry]

I thought your initial group had your other friend moderating to make sure everybody stayed at the same power level?

[fallow citrus]

Do we know if these are desparked walkers or if wizards is just exploring like.. giving planeswalkers creature cards sometimes too

Wondering if this is like "each walker giving up their spark to cleanse their respective plane"

[golden plover]

We have a card art that shows them all losing their sparks

Although it's weird and conflicts with the story

[fallow citrus]

oh do we

also have we actually started getting aftermath story

[golden plover]

Spark Rupture implies something took their sparks

But Karn shouldn't be there then

[rigid scarab]

Whose sparks

Also holy shit are we ALREADY getting the next big bad

[golden plover]

The confirmed former-walkers are:
Nissa (Compleated), Nahiri (Compleated), Karn (Gave Up His Spark for Nissa), Tyvar (Literally why), Calix (What a waste of a character), Narset, Sarkhan, Kiora, and Ob Nixilis

And yeah, I guess so

Not wasting any time

[rigid scarab]

Well Nixilis should be used to getting desparked

[golden plover]

True, but it just feels like they randomly drew names out of a hat for which walkers to despark

And now there's not a single walker from Zendikar, Theros, Kaldheim, or Tarkir

[rigid scarab]

I swear to god if it's fucking Compleated Nicol Bolas I'm giving up on Magic lore

[golden plover]

I doubt it's compleated Bolas

But it's probably something equally as stupid

But man, what a waste of a bunch of cool characters

[sleek ferry]

Calling Tyvar cool is a hell of a stretch

[golden plover]

Narset and Sarkhan hadn't done anything in a while. Kiora literally only has like what, 2 planeswalker cards?

Tyvar is awesome. The story made him sick as hell

Tyvar finally felt like he was a character they were gonna do cool things with

And now he's randomly desparked

Maybe the story for the set will make it make sense, but it seems dumb so fair imo

Oh I was wrong, Kiora has 3 PW cards

[hidden ermine]

Wait wtf

Calix lost his spark already?

Feels like they just like

Undid all of Theros

None of it really ended up mattering besides Elspeth

[golden plover]

Yeah Tyvar and Calix losing their sparks was a weird choice

Like they're some of the newest walkers

If the goal was to make room for new walkers, why not leave them alone

[sleek ferry]

We live in a society where the 3 most badass mtg characters are all women, what a pleasant change

[hidden ermine]

Granted I didnt really care for Calix

Everything to do with Klothys was just stupid and contradicting the whole point of fate in theros

But man, they just did nothing with him

[golden plover]

Honestly this just makes them all feel wasted

Like Tyvar just now had a story going

Kiora has 3 Planeswalker cards total and gets used once every 5 years

Narset gets used once every 5 years

And Sarkhan got sent to Alchemy-only hell

Oh wait, Kiora was the blue alchemy-only walker

I guess these walkers were probably picked because they went "yeah here's a bunch we're not gonna use anymore. Do whatever with them"

[copper pecan]

be calix
created to hunt down elspeth
elspeth escapes
some time later
phyrexians invade
weird humans with bird wings help
phyrexians are defeated
lose spark
start seeing people worship elspeth
mfw

wait calix's card isn't even a demigod

[polar lake]

i think what prolly happened with magic's story is that they saw how popular Avengers was and was like "hey we already have a multiverse part... what if we just make our own Avengers?"

and boom Oath of the Gatewatch

and as the years go on, Infinity War releases and then Endgame

so WOTC was like...

War of The Spark

and then after that the story just falls apart again

[copper pecan]

they had been planning the gatewatch for a while before avengers became popular

[golden plover]

You can definitely tell they leaned more and more into MCU recently tho

[polar lake]

yeah but i feel the popularity of the avengers kind of like fucked with them into trying to make the story feel "comic superhero-like" but it just didnt work

[polar lake]

they even started making comic books

[golden plover]

Tbf, the comics are the least marvely thing recently

[polar lake]

yeah i actually like the comic books

[twilit canyon]

ah so thats why ppl have been thinking they phase out planeswalkers

id be 100% ok with that

[lusty trench]

That karn is nutty

[twilit canyon]

actually a really good colorless legendary

[twilit canyon]

idt thats the implication

rupturing is a sudden breaking

maybe theres something to do with all the shit that happened in the multiverse recently caused this rupturing

in any case im at least mildly curious as to how this is resolved in the aftermath story

[lusty trench]

Might be sparks are what holds the multiverse together, so they're being drawn in to patch up the tears the realmbreaker made

[golden plover]

I dunno, it's weird to immediately jump to the next crisis in the aftermath set

Also, if that's the case, it's weirdly disproportionate to Zendikar, Theros, and Tarkir

[twilit canyon]

this doesnt sound like a crisis

it sounds like a consequence

[sudden lava]

more leaks?

[hidden ermine]

The art does kinda suggest that though

The sparks are being siphoned off, not breaking

[glad peak]

I wouldn’t be surprised if norn had a contingency plan to remove sparks and that tech was one way she was able to phyrexianize them

[lusty trench]

Elesh Norn with the salty contingency plain

[glad peak]

Wouldn’t surprise me

[lusty trench]

Contingency plans are not perfect, imagine prepping to lose lmao

[golden plover]

Yeah I was going with the way the art seems to imply something is taking their sparks

Although Karn shouldn't be pictured?

[fallow citrus]

maybe it's just over the course of the MOM story

if every character in the image has their spark taken away at some point then karn isn't out of place

[golden plover]

True, but you'd think we would have seen any indication of that during the MOM story

Outside of Nissa and Karn, none of these characters showed up at all

It's really weird

[fallow citrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

again, we haven't actually had any story

[golden plover]

Yeah true. But it just feels weird none of this was in the regular set

[fallow citrus]

well I imagine they would have planned this story for aftermath

not like these are official spoilers we're getting

[golden plover]

Yeah true. But like it should have been mentioned I guess

Something to the extent of "hey Tarkir is fucky rn"

[fallow citrus]

I mean it's a given that everywhere is going to be fucky

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZJDFgWouPU

[sudden lava]

Archibald nooo!

[sleek ferry]

Man I swear

Most of my losses in diamond come to toxic decks

[atomic harness]

[atomic harness]

That pod turned into combo hell yeah

Faldorn friend entrusted his deck to me

[granite badge]

[[Faldorn, Dread Wolf Herald]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/647/faldorn-dread-wolf-herald

Faldorn, Dread Wolf Herald <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you cast a spell from exile or a land enters the battlefield under your control from exile, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token.
, , Discard a card: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Cities are a blight on the beauty of nature."
3/3

[granite badge]

oooo this is neat

[atomic harness]

[glad peak]

My playgroup got so mad at my (bad) deck that I’m now back to my old, worse, deck

Ironically both decks are far worse than whatever deck they bring

Anyways time to build etali mill

[sleek ferry]

Explorer Gruul continues to be such fun

New Gruul battle high key might be the best one

[atomic harness]

@sleek ferry speaking of gruul ive only played the deck for a bit but wow it's a lot of fun, especially when cascade hits cascade or the exile stuff hits some power cards

I might make it my main

Also how do adventures work with cards that exile stuff and let you play?

say [[bonecrusher giant]] and [[escape to the wilds]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/781/bonecrusher-giant-stomp

Bonecrusher Giant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Giant
Whenever Bonecrusher Giant becomes the target of a spell, Bonecrusher Giant deals 2 damage to that spell's controller.
Not every tale ends in glory.
4/3

Stomp
Instant — Adventure
Damage can't be prevented this turn. Stomp deals 2 damage to any target.

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/843/escape-to-the-wilds

Escape to the Wilds <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Exile the top five cards of your library. You may play cards exiled this way until the end of your next turn.
You may play an additional land this turn.
The guards kindled the hearth and locked the door to Ellwen's chamber. By morning, the fire was out and Ellwen was gone.

[atomic harness]

are you able to only cast the creature portion?

or could you adventure from exile then it gets exiled again

[sleek ferry]

That’s a good question

I think either one of 2 scenarios would play out

Either a) you can only cast the creature side because cascade checks for the cmc which is the creature

Or b) you can cast the adventure side but you need to pay the adventure cost

Misty and Marisol would be better people to ask

[atomic harness]

hmm yeah the people we played with ruled it like B yesterday

[sleek ferry]

It makes sense, but that’s def an interesting ruling

Lmk when you find out the answer

[atomic harness]

Sure thing

I added a card for fun that was lying around in my binder and it turns out to have funky synergy w faldorn
[[ranger class]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/202/ranger-class

Ranger Class <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Ranger Class enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token.
: Level 2
Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature.
: Level 3
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah ranger class is a good card

It’s budget Vivien

[atomic harness]

[sleek ferry]

[[vivien, champion of the wild]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/838/vivien-champion-of-the-wilds

Vivien, Champion of the Wilds <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Vivien
You may cast creature spells as though they had flash.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target creature gains vigilance and reach.
−2: Look at the top three cards of your library. Exile one face down and put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. For as long as it remains exiled, you may look at that card and you may cast it if it's a creature spell.
Loyalty: 4

[sleek ferry]

Hmm not this one

[atomic harness]

hmm thats the one that came in the brecon

I do have her in the deck too because of the -2

[sleek ferry]

[[vivien, monsters’ advocate]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/iko/175/vivien-monsters-advocate

Vivien, Monsters' Advocate <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Vivien
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
+1: Create a 3/3 green Beast creature token. Put your choice of a vigilance counter, a reach counter, or a trample counter on it.
−2: When you cast your next creature spell this turn, search your library for a creature card with lesser mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Loyalty: 3

[atomic harness]

monka

[sleek ferry]

Ikoria standard allstar

[trail anvil]

to my knowledge, adventures can be cast like normal from exile

[trail anvil]

still trying to figure out how decent that monored one that deals 4 to face is, I figured that would be a decent enough baseline but idk

[sleek ferry]

Pretty damn good tbh

4 to the face and ping 1

The issue I have with the mono red battle is

If there even is an ideal time to flip it

Or Do we just play it for the 4 to the face

[trail anvil]

I think it depends on the build you're playing, I think this paired with end the festivities et al would be really strong

my bigger problem with it is the most premium removal target in standard is thalia, which taxes this xd

[sleek ferry]

It’s true, but again, even if it gets taxed, the battle itself also answers Thalia when it comes down

[atomic harness]

Thank

Yeah thats pretty good thugs
Every adventure card exiled off by stuff that lets them be played is at minimum 3 Faldorn wolves

[golden plover]

https://i.imgur.com/R4tTg3D.jpg

There's 0 traces Nahiri was compleated at all

Weird

[lusty trench]

Lmao, lol get fucked get stuck on capenna stinky

[golden plover]

Did he Planeswalk back there to get stuck? His last story appearance there was him going "y'all didn't even guess at my plan" and planeswalking off

[lusty trench]

Well he's only a kingpin in capenna so I guess he had to of?

[dense berry]

well yeah this is now a billion dollar IP, they can't just have lasting consequences for characters that have been algorithmically determined to be likable by the consumer base

[golden plover]

Yeah, guess he randomly came back at the wrong time

But yeah, we've got all of Aftermath now

The set kinda feels like nothing?

It's half random desparked walkers and random rares/uncommons

There's a few important characters, but outside of like literally the Kenriths Funeral, it doesn't really seem like there were any affects of the invasion

[dense berry]

its marvel cinematic universe consequences

[hidden ermine]

I mean the fact that so many walkers lost their spark matters ig

[dense berry]

a few characters die or disappear maybe one or two stays gone and all the apocalyptic fallout of whatever crazy cinematic misadventures happened in the last movie are conveniently repaired by the time the next movie drops

[hidden ermine]

But I dont know how that has long-term consequences

[golden plover]

We don't even know if that's related

That could just be the next big bad or whatever

The only characters we saw that were dealing with the invasion were Tazri, Niv, and Sigarda and all three seem exactly the same as they did before the invasion

[dense berry]

well we crossed off bolas, phyrexia and the eldrazis theres basically nothing left thats remotely threatening in the multiverse

[golden plover]

Also, why the fuck is Nassari on a card????

[dense berry]

theres what like marit lage frozen in a lake and tezzeret being a mini Bolas

[lusty trench]

Eldrazis can't really be dealt with fully?

[golden plover]

She was compleated and pushed off the roof of the school by Killian

She should be very dead

[lusty trench]

Iirc emrakul is still in play

Be weird to return to eldrazi again but it has been a while ig

[golden plover]

But yeah, aftermath sorta sucks tbh

[dense berry]

ig slivers are still threatening

[golden plover]

Completely contradicts the story we've had for the set, and has no reason to exist considering it doesn't actually show the aftermath

[lusty trench]

Ashiok might actually get to do her thing now

[golden plover]

https://i.imgur.com/cJlzS4l.jpg

Also this is a crime

How'd y'all fuck up her typeline

[lusty trench]

(I'm calling it it's just gonna be infinite tsukuyomi but nightmares from Naruto)

[golden plover]

They've hinted the next villain is either gonna be the raven man, Tezzeret, or Ashiok

But honestly, we need a break from main villains

Just have small plane conflicts for a couple years

Set up "oh there's something going on in the shadows"

They won't do that tho because it doesn't make money

[lusty trench]

Next set is eldraine so... Who wants monarchy based politics based on which one out of royal twins will take the throne?

[atomic harness]

I thought emrakul was stuck in the moon jot

[lusty trench]

She is but presumably someone could get her out if they so wanted

[golden plover]

Emrakul sealed herself in the moon

[atomic harness]

I see

[golden plover]

She's able to leave whenever she wants

Also the only people who knew about that and the bolas thing are dead

Wait that was a waste too from aftermath

We didn't get a card for Ghost Tamiyo

[dense berry]

yeah its marvel cinematic universe issue after all these Infinity Wars, they think the consumer base needs more massive universal scale stories like that but they dont wanna spend the like 10 years of setup again

[lusty trench]

I think this will be the plot of eldraine? I think rowan will take the throne in eldraine

[golden plover]

Yeah the resolution of WAR had it's issues, but the setup for the bolas arc was great

The phyrexian arc just kinda happened

It went "Oh why's Vorinclex on Kaldheim" "Oh Jin is doing things on Kamigawa" "Oh the invasion happened and it sucked"

[twilit canyon]

i still find it a little silly to br up in arms about a leaked set without any story elements to give it time to explain what happened

[copper pecan]

yeah same

like, actually read the story instead of jumping to conclusions

[dense berry]

bits of story leaking in spoiler cycles or out of context from cards in opened product is literally how the story is perceived to the overwhelming majority of the consumer base

im not clairvoyant so im not gonna say the story is going to be bad or is bad

there are however elements of bad story telling so far with what we have seen

[twilit canyon]

out of context tidbits dont tell the whole thing

granted the whole thing is likely to not be good but still

[dense berry]

theres still the matter of the lack of consequences

[twilit canyon]

lost sparks is a major consequence

[dense berry]

and the trivialization of a previously established antagonistic force

[atomic harness]

justice for my homie venser

[twilit canyon]

idk we saw thru the whole of mom thay phyrexians did a big number on many planes

[dense berry]

losing sparks at the end of the calamity is a reused plot point

[atomic harness]

innistrad had the undead be immune to phyresis but most planes got ravaged hard no

[dense berry]

its not like we havent seen a non walker karn before

[twilit canyon]

its not the same way tho. last time it happened was cus bolas was killing people and eating the sparks

his own lost spark was not a norm

now a bunch of walkers are losing their sparks and we dont know why

[twilit canyon]

every plane p much did

kaldheim burned their world tree

kaladesh story spotlight described how hard the struggle there was

ixalan too they even lost a god dino

theros got fucked up

most deities died

[copper pecan]

like 30 different named characters died

[twilit canyon]

vs war of the spark

where dack fayden died

and if this is all a prelude to them saying "walkers will no longer be the focus to magic story" then great

[atomic harness]

kenrith...

[twilit canyon]

kenrith and linden died

ayara

brimaz

tibalt

[atomic harness]

tamiyo

[golden plover]

They're never gonna shift away from Walkers

That just won't happen

[hidden ermine]

Eh idk

[twilit canyon]

u say this now

[hidden ermine]

I can see it happening

[twilit canyon]

and yet from out of context spoilers

[hidden ermine]

Commander is already functionally their flagship format

[golden plover]

They've mentioned plenty of times that walkers are how the majority of people interact with the game

[hidden ermine]

And walkers dont work in commander

[golden plover]

I mean, they just as easily can. They just don't put that line of text on most walkers

[twilit canyon]

battles to me read like fixed walkers for commander

[atomic harness]

true kid

[golden plover]

If anything, all they did with aftermath was make it so walkers people liked could be used as your commander

[hidden ermine]

Because it takes up space

[twilit canyon]

having walkers be present but not major characters in a story would be good

[hidden ermine]

And its cumbersome if they put it on everything

But cant have it be a baseline rule because they dont (on paper) control commander

Like I can see them phasing out walkers

[twilit canyon]

i doubt itll be a phase out

just seldom used

i can see whole sets without them

eldraine has oko and the kenrith twins so that set still probably has em

[atomic harness]

oko 3 will be balanced, trust

[twilit canyon]

ixalan has huatli so she should be present

[golden plover]

Quint is also in Ixalan

[twilit canyon]

quintorious planeswalked somewhere on ixalan iirc yea forgot about that

so 2 there

future sets arent guaranteed to have em tho

much less likely they do now

with so many walkers now busy or desparked

who is left that isnt busy?

emperor and kaito are gonna be rebuilding kamigawa

sorin and arlinn innistrad

chandra may be splitting efforts fixing kaladesh and helping nissa get to zendikar?

teferi can finally be home so no reason for him to leave

i can see elspeth returning to help fix new capenna

ral is busy on ravnica

huatli and saheeli on their planes too

who does this leave?

[lusty trench]

Tezzeret

Ashiok

[twilit canyon]

angrath, ashiok, basri, ajani, garruk, tezz

i mean those who wont be busy

to be precuse

*precise

basri likely will be on amonkhet

[lusty trench]

There's also vraska and Jace doing...???

[twilit canyon]

angrath on his own home plane

so realistically we just have ashiok, ajani, garruk, tezzeret

maybe vraska and jace but they didnt show up at all in aftermath so who knows how they are

[lusty trench]

I mean if everyone else who was completed was fine I doubt vraska and Jace were bothered, we know exactly where they aren't and that's it

[twilit canyon]

we dont know how nahiri was fixed

so we cant assume that vraska and jace would be fine

[lusty trench]

I can't wait for the Jace vraska duo walker card

[hidden ermine]

Some people are guessing Jace might be different

[twilit canyon]

built different

[lusty trench]

Built angsty

WAIT I JUST REALIZED THE MOST IMPORTANT PLANES WALKER IS STILL SAFE

Imagine if they do get rid of planes walkers except this dog

[clever sun]

Yeah I'm just gonna hold opinions on the full story after it releases

I also found MoM to be a fine story

[lusty trench]

Am I blind or is there some constellation bits in this art

[fallow citrus]

probably theros stuff

[lusty trench]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/JZQ2RhlXf0iOzb9phCARVA

Got my elesh Norn deck made

It's very very casual

[sleek ferry]

Elesh norn kinda seems too strong for super casual pods no?

You’re making 10+ double striking 3/3’s every game

Also go wide and landfall decks usually dominate casual pods

[lusty trench]

Ehh I'd agree if this deck doesn't brick half the time and struggles to rebuild post board wipe

[sleek ferry]

I didn’t look at the list yet but since you’re saying that I’m assuming you’re not running any of the good white value engines?

Not even archeomancer’s map?

Oh you are playing smothering tithe and monologue tax

Have you considered the 4 mana creature from commander legends that gives you x if an opponent controls more of that than you

That’s a good casual card

[lusty trench]

The idea behind the deck was "Norns army and rules/things they'd enforce or do while in command"

[lusty trench]

Battle angels of tyr?

[sleek ferry]

[[keeper of the accord]] is what I was thinking about

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https://scryfall.com/card/moc/191/keeper-of-the-accord

Keeper of the Accord <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of each opponent's end step, if that player controls more creatures than you, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
At the beginning of each opponent's end step, if that player controls more lands than you, you may search your library for a basic Plains card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
3/4

[sleek ferry]

Helps you ramp and creates tokens

[lusty trench]

Ah I see

Seems decent yeah

[sleek ferry]

Man, commander legends 1 was such a solid set

You also have

[[Prava of the steel legion]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/38/prava-of-the-steel-legion

Prava of the Steel Legion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Soldier
As long as it's your turn, creature tokens you control get +1/+4.
: Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
1/4

[sleek ferry]

And [[angel of the dawn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/6/angel-of-the-dawn

Angel of the Dawn <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel
Flying
When Angel of the Dawn enters the battlefield, creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain vigilance until end of turn.
She sings for all those who have been silenced.
3/3

[atomic harness]

[sudden lava]

repost?

[atomic harness]

Oh sorry

[lusty trench]

So update on our LGS' card thief, I caught him in the act, he slid one of the cards in my partner's trade pile under his deck while we were trading

[atomic harness]

Nice

on catching him

[lusty trench]

Like there's 0 reason for anyone making a trade to slide a card under their deck, idk what he was thinking

I confirmed it by just taking the card flipping it over, it was a secret lair foil sakura tribe elder that I specifically won with my partner at that lgs

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1099809401361137725/20230423_211818.png?width=475&height=662

[trail anvil]

nice lmao

[twilit canyon]

lol

[sleek ferry]

Deck is coming along slowly but surely, need 2 more monastery mentors and I actually want to add 2 elesh Norns also, along with fixing the mana base

[trail anvil]

other cards that might be nice there are swiftspear and kumano faces kakuzan

[sleek ferry]

i ran swiftspear for a bit, it's solid, but you don't want to make it too creature heavy

only reason i'm adding elesh norn is because she finishes games

[sleek ferry]

man [[skysovereign]] is such a cracked card

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/207/skycat-sovereign

Skycat Sovereign <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental Cat
Flying
Skycat Sovereign gets +1/+1 for each other creature you control with flying.
: Create a 1/1 white Cat Bird creature token with flying.
The bounty on its head is as old as Skysail, but no one has ever tried to collect.
1/1

[sleek ferry]

errr

[[skysovereign, consult flagship]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/nec/159/skysovereign-consul-flagship

Skysovereign, Consul Flagship <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Flying
Whenever Skysovereign, Consul Flagship enters the battlefield or attacks, it deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls.
Crew 3 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 3 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
6/5

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fukHnHFkS2U

[golden plover]

Holy shit they sent the PINKERTONS after the leaker?

I didn't realize the pinkertons were even still around

[granite badge]

pinkertons?

[zinc shard]

A private secuirity agency

[golden plover]

Like the union-busting private security agency from the 1800s

[lusty trench]

Damn they put the red dead 2 antagonist faction in real life????!?!?!????

[hidden ermine]

Pinkertons are infamous union busters

Used to essentially be hired thugs whod violently break up strikes

But hey, maybe well get "battle of blair mountain" in a secret lair

[golden plover]

Not just used to

They're still around and still do that shit

[hidden ermine]

They still break up strikes, but I dont think they are allowed to do it violently anymore

[golden plover]

Hopefully not

[zinc shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc4mQ4q7IWs

[golden plover]

Fun fact, there's a law from 1900 that prevents fotmer Pinkerton employees from holding office

SL Thoracle

[lusty trench]

fuck

Welp oracle isn't getting hit any time soon

[golden plover]

Angel lair

[golden plover]

Unfortunately not