Magic the Gathering

[sleek ferry]

2 separate games mud

The blue one was just frustrating

As I was 1 play away from being in a winning position

But djinn decks going to djinn

[golden plover]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/713823233977286656/i-try-to-as-a-rule-be-super-enthusiastic-about#notes

"they had to be desired cards"

So the $0.25 Radha with 30 decks and the Theros demigods were desired?

Like they could have just used a different Radha and stuff like the strixhaven kids

Still kinda bummed they didn't give the Eldraine knight cycle alts in the sick Eldraine style

[lusty trench]

MY GUY YOU ARE SEALING THEM AWAY FOR YEARS TO COME WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[sleek ferry]

I mean, that’s not really a lie though, 9 support cards IS a lot

[lusty trench]

They aren't elves, we're never seeing the phyrexian typing again outside of some modern horizons bs

I'd agree with 9 being a lot if they were a normal creature type

But 1 they're being sealed away and are only just getting actual tribal support, and 2 the phyrexians are supposed to function as a group, and are everywhere

[fallow citrus]

I mean

importantly it wasn't said there won't be any future support there

no doubt we'll get some phyrexian cards sprinkled into future sets

[copper pecan]

9 is a lot for one set though

[golden plover]

9 is, yeah

[fallow citrus]

also we could get a funky set where it's like.. here's phyrexia after it got thrown into the void and has no stable leadership now

[golden plover]

But also this is a tribe that will likely not get much support for years

[sleek ferry]

Also like, shouldn’t every plane still have some phyrexians? Or was it said that all phyrexians were wiped out, because I don’t think it was

[golden plover]

The phyrexians all went into a super coma

[fallow citrus]

phyrexian snooze button

I'm sure they'll write some fuckery as to why x y or z phyrexian is around in a future set

[golden plover]

Yeah definitely

When the market research shows that people want phyrexians again, they'll write them back in

[sleek ferry]

Anyways, the story sets up perfectly for the real villain to show up

My boy tibalt

[golden plover]

He's dead dead

[sleek ferry]

That’s what they want you to think

[golden plover]

He got done dirty too

Didn't even get a walker card and you wouldn't know he was dead if you didn't read the ONE lore

[languid quest]

Tibalt got what he deserved as did Lukka

[fallow citrus]

I'd just be happy with some sets in the future like this ixalan one just being a smaller self contained story after this big one

[golden plover]

Ikoria Lukka was a lot better written and it sucks they butchered him for this

[copper pecan]

we literally saw him die though

[golden plover]

He went from cool guy who uses animals as weapons to "haha I'm gonna bond with the thing they told me not to and be comically evil"

[golden plover]

We saw a single uncommon with him on it. He's not dead in the art for that card.

[lusty trench]

You love to see it

Who generally sits and counts the number of what gender appears on cards

Imagine malding to the game designers because you can't stand the idea of women fighting

[granite badge]

r/freemagic user moment

guarantee it

[sleek ferry]

See you guys don’t get it, how can women fight, when they can’t even vote! -scum of the mtg community

[copper pecan]

tyvar saw his dead body in the story

[glad peak]

Not enough information they’re gonna do the mcu thing and bring him back

[trail anvil]

he is the trickster god, clearly that was a prank

[golden plover]

Yeah but the average person doesn't read the story

[sleek ferry]

@clever sun so after a bit of testing, while Solphim feels great at times, at others it feels like it doesn’t do enough. I think I might cut it and increase my early options with something like [[urabrask’s forge]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/153/urabrasks-forge

Urabrask's Forge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put an oil counter on Urabrask's Forge, then create an X/1 red Phyrexian Horror creature token with trample and haste, where X is the number of oil counters on Urabrask's Forge. Sacrifice that token at the beginning of the next end step.

[clever sun]

Forge doesn't really synergize with sacrifice too much at least not with the current set up

[sleek ferry]

Well the thought process was it synergizes with exactly braids and vreen

[clever sun]

Last thing you want to do is sacrifice the Forge itself

Vrann is okay

Braids is decent

You need to make sure you don't auto-order triggered abilities though

[sleek ferry]

Maybe the move might just be to cut anvil and go for a slightly more aggro rakdos build, but I’ll see

And yeah, especially since mtga orders them Backwards

[clever sun]

Aggro Rakdos slowly evolves to Rakdos Midrange and then Grixis

lol

[rigid scarab]

May I introduce

The rewind lands

Dual lands with basic types that come into play tapped

If they enter the battlefield tapped, you may pay 4 life and untap it

[fallow citrus]

but why

those are just worse shocks

don't even think you'd want to play those in death's shadow bc that's too much life to lose in one go

[clever sun]

You run one

[trail anvil]

the only upside I see is untapping with stuff that puts the land onto the battlefield tapped, but yeah that's too much life

[rigid scarab]

Idk I was just thinking how much better cards would be if only they didn't put stuff in tapped

Like Farseek

[clever sun]

Ah

It still wouldn't work Iirc

Wording would be tricky and would break a lot of rules placed

[glad peak]

You can probably make it in 2 separate paragraphs

[trail anvil]

we have [[forsaken crossroads]] ?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/63/forsaken-crossroads

Forsaken Crossroads

Land
Forsaken Crossroads enters the battlefield tapped.
As Forsaken Crossroads enters the battlefield, choose a color.
When Forsaken Crossroads enters the battlefield, scry 1. If you weren't the starting player, you may untap Forsaken Crossroads instead.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.

[glad peak]

Oh hey we do

[twilit canyon]

i think he just wants a land that can untap itself after using land ramp spells

but thats the purpose of [[amulet of vigor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/121/amulet-of-vigor

Amulet of Vigor <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, untap it.
"After years of study, I've learned an important lesson: the relics we watch may be watching us back." —Anowon, the Ruin Sage

[glad peak]

You can stick a “if ~ enters the battlefield tapped, untap it”

Sure it’s what amulet does but it’s just a cycle

[granite badge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/12dt5qy/copious_counterspells_1_spellhacking_i_have/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

custommagic moment

[twilit canyon]

way too broken

[golden plover]

I love that they went "this should cost 1U" and OP went "IT HAS TO COST U"

[lusty trench]

Guy really wants a better swan song huh

[sleek ferry]

He must be a Yugioh player

Only he would think drawing a card makes your spell getting countered okay

[lusty trench]

I'd like to see a world where ash made your opponent draw

(though doesn't that make ash ashable?)

[lusty trench]

Just made 4 ragavans using baral and kari

Feels good

[twilit canyon]

[[baral and kari zev]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/218/baral-and-kari-zev

Baral and Kari Zev <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human
First strike, menace
Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell each turn, you may cast a spell with lesser mana value that shares a card type with it from your hand without paying its mana cost. If you don't, create First Mate Ragavan, a legendary 2/1 red Monkey Pirate creature token. It gains haste until end of turn.
2/4

[twilit canyon]

they are legendary and it only happens once per turn

so it was once per turn after the monkey died

[lusty trench]

Not if you copy them with sakashima of a thousand faces

[twilit canyon]

so

instead of getting value off their ability

u made a 2/1

with haste

[lusty trench]

Yes

Because it's funny

(I also ran out of cards in hand, because I do not have nearly enough draw power in there)

[twilit canyon]

ok just making sure i was understanding

[lusty trench]

I did get a free temporal mastery off an animatous augery so that was nice

[golden plover]

https://preview.redd.it/emywvdxz7asa1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=efc124979dfa28dbe199b0b7042a54d59fcde630

[twilit canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otdgj8fBQxc

i just watched this vid now

damn

this is crazy

[glad peak]

Yep

It’s a great format

[dense berry]

my cedh group is building this

[golden plover]

So that unknown norn art

... is serialized only

https://preview.redd.it/q06duiq8ersa1.png?width=574&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=9ad6faabe3fe49d9e7943c2ff5498382034382d6

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1094479023029108736/FtOMYu6WwAEt8gN.jpg

urabrask

[golden plover]

Wish there were non-serialized versions of these arts too

They're the coolest arts they got

[twilit canyon]

i dont

they are cool as fuck yea

but its fine for some art to be paywalled

[atomic harness]

You said it kid

[atomic harness]

@trail anvil it's our favorite

[trail anvil]

this card slept on hard

idk what you put it in tho

[twilit canyon]

ninjas

[atomic harness]

one day we'll have assembly worker tribal

[glad peak]

We already do, we have an assembly worker tutor and an assembly worker combo kill

[atomic harness]

do show

[glad peak]

Self assembler, KCI, dutiful replicator, scrap trawler

Scrap trawler isn’t an assembly worker but replicator comboing counts good enough

[atomic harness]

Hey kci doesnt count

[glad peak]

Sure it does

[dense berry]

caint wait to print off proxies of these serialized cards

[clever sun]

Sheeeesh that Urabrask

[sleek ferry]

Man I thought I had enough to make Gruul for explorer

But I somehow don’t have playsets of lovestruck beast and the Akroan war

[trail anvil]

shit, they still use lovestruck beast?

you could probably put together something with a decent winrate without those two, especially when BTE is probably the core of that as an uncommon

[sleek ferry]

Well I got my bonecrushers

[atomic harness]

bcg

[trail anvil]

very good card

[sleek ferry]

Yeah it’s kinda the entire reason I wanted to finally go into explorer

This was the list I was looking at for reference

[atomic harness]

zamn you guys are making me want to install arena again

is kumano still good

[trail anvil]

ye ofc it is, card is busted at 1 mana

[sleek ferry]

Yeah plus mono red is in a way better spot now than when you quit

[atomic harness]

What are the new additions

yeah budget rdw was all I had left

I guess I have esper midrange but ehhh

[sleek ferry]

Esper midrange is still a deck

[trail anvil]

were you around when feldon was a thing

cause that's a huge 2 drop for the deck

[atomic harness]

[[feldon]]

[lost widget]

Multiple cards match “feldon”, can you be more specific?

[sleek ferry]

Feldon is annoying as shit yeah

[atomic harness]

I think I missed that part I dont recall that card

[trail anvil]

[[feldon, ronom excavator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/135/feldon-ronom-excavator

Feldon, Ronom Excavator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Haste
Feldon, Ronom Excavator can't block.
Whenever Feldon is dealt damage, exile that many cards from the top of your library. Choose one of them. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
2/2

[atomic harness]

all I remember was corpse appraiser being an asshole

and the mono black wars

oh that looks good

[trail anvil]

rakdos is still a stupidly good core

but monored is plenty good

[atomic harness]

Yeah we're poor we have like

negative wildcards

so one color budget heehoo is all I can do

[sleek ferry]

Like Marisol said though, rakdos eventually turns into grixis lol

[trail anvil]

if you want budget rn you should go with monoblue

as usual you literally run only 1 (one) rare

[sleek ferry]

Like I’m on rakdos now but I had to make a lot of changes for it to fill my playstyle

[atomic harness]

[sleek ferry]

Such as adding back in ob nix

[atomic harness]

is this the haughty djinn deck

dont make me play that

[trail anvil]

ob nix is such a fun card and I'm kinda sad we don't see it more

yeah it's the djinn deck

[sleek ferry]

Djinn do be djinning

[atomic harness]

I literally hate that deck

[trail anvil]

ye but it's most definitely the most budget deck of the format

[atomic harness]

I'll just play rdw

[trail anvil]

even monored has a collection of rares and mythics to run (esp if you still go squee)

[sleek ferry]

Also the toxic decks in the format are annoying as shit to lose to

One guy managed to kill me t3 with poison counters

[trail anvil]

yeah toxic is toxic

RIP meathook it was too good

[sleek ferry]

God, if we still had meathook that would be nuts

Meathook made anvil so much more formidable

[atomic harness]

meathook

[sleek ferry]

But meathook + sheoldred in the meta was really fucking annoying

[atomic harness]

I remember climbing to mythic before it died

off that card

[sleek ferry]

Also like the mana base for standard is high key the best I’ve ever experienced

In my short time playing mtg

[trail anvil]

I kinda miss the shock + check land standard

for other reasons mostly but pain + fast lands are kinda meh to me

[sleek ferry]

Pain + fast + battle lands

• triomes

That’s a pretty damn good mana base for standard

[atomic harness]

Oh also how many months do we have left until rotation? I'm surprised neon and both innistrads are still here

felt like years already

[trail anvil]

battle lands?

[sleek ferry]

[[cinder glade]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/395/cinder-glade

Cinder Glade

Land — Mountain Forest
(: Add or .)
Cinder Glade enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
On the volcanic continent of Akoum, bizarre vegetation clusters around gas vents, and jagged mountain peaks rise high into the air.

[sleek ferry]

And the like

Or are the ones we have different

[trail anvil]

these aren't in standard

[sleek ferry]

Let me check

[trail anvil]

oh the slow lands you mean

yeah that makes it pretty solid

[sleek ferry]

[[haunted ridge]] and the like

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/263/haunted-ridge

Haunted Ridge

Land
Haunted Ridge enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more other lands.
: Add or .
Swirling eddies of ash hide crumbling cliffs, treacherous drops, and the slavering maws of unknown evils.

[sleek ferry]

Yeah got confused since text is similar

[trail anvil]

apparently 5 more months?

that feels wrong though maybe I'm getting it wrong

[sleek ferry]

This standard has felt stupid long, did they change the schedule due covid or something?

[atomic harness]

Wow thats a long time

[trail anvil]

fuck kaldheim and zendikar only rotated like 7 months ago lol

idr if it's always been 1 year between rotations but it would make sense

maybe it's just that innistrad and kamigawa cards have been in the meta for a long time?

[atomic harness]

I think so?

like bankbuster, eiganjo takenuma ottawara boseiju, the crazy selansya enchantment deck, best girl TWE

[sleek ferry]

I mean it makes sense, kaldheim was brand new when I left my last job for my previous job

[atomic harness]

all the sagas that are good

[sleek ferry]

And I only worked there for 7 months before going to my current job

So math adds up

[trail anvil]

I remember when treasure dragon dominated the meta

and expressive iteration

[atomic harness]

ei and goldspan

[sleek ferry]

Izzet dragons was a time

[atomic harness]

but I did like theros 2 cards

escape was a fun time

[sleek ferry]

I’m good on the stupid simic giant

[trail anvil]

uro was fun to play and annoying to play against lol

[sleek ferry]

Like why did that card actually do everything

[trail anvil]

good ol sultai mid

blue is wizard's favorite color until this standard, then it went to black

[atomic harness]

the name escapes me but the rakdos vampire guy is very annoying

[sleek ferry]

Unless we’re talking commander where Red has been their favorite color for the past 3 years

[trail anvil]

bloodtithe harvester

[sleek ferry]

Bloodtithe is bae

[trail anvil]

I underrated that card heavily before, but it has really good value

goes nuts with fable, as everything does

[twilit canyon]

harvester has been in so many formats now

[sleek ferry]

It also just has a great stat line

[twilit canyon]

its seeing modern play too now in scam

[sleek ferry]

3/2 for 2 mana

[atomic harness]

Mist do you have a rdw list for your good friend renren

[trail anvil]

do you think it would still be everywhere as a 2/2

[sleek ferry]

After you do that for Ren Misty, mind recommending a budget explorer list

[trail anvil]

I feel like in 2020 this would be a 2/2 with menace

[twilit canyon]

for standard?

[twilit canyon]

u can do budget red

[trail anvil]

do you play explorer misty

[atomic harness]

Yeah standard budget red

[twilit canyon]

yea

its quality already

[atomic harness]

Unless like explorer red isnt too expensive and I can play bonecrusher

could go w that too

[sleek ferry]

Red in standard is pretty budget if you have fables tbh

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

u can do explorer red with bcg

[atomic harness]

sounds fun

[twilit canyon]

but at that point go historic

historic rdw is stronger

[trail anvil]

does monored in standard run fable? I thought it was too slow since face is the place

[twilit canyon]

no

[sleek ferry]

Oh they don’t anymore?

Ig that makes sense

[twilit canyon]

standard red has been all haste

or close to

[trail anvil]

apparently some people are bringing in [[furnace punisher]] which makes sense

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/132/furnace-punisher

Furnace Punisher <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Warrior
Menace
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Furnace Punisher deals 2 damage to that player unless they control two or more basic lands.
She marks her favorite creations with a searing brand, leaving all others to be consumed by the furnace.
3/3

[trail anvil]

I'm surprised this didn't happen earlier tbh given how few basics are in some top decks

[sleek ferry]

Is it like a 1 of?

[atomic harness]

But yeahh either standard or an alt format of your choice

am good w it

[sleek ferry]

Or being sided in as a 2 of?

[twilit canyon]

its sometimes mained

as a 2 of

2 side

and i dont like it myself. it detracts from the haste

[atomic harness]

Do they still run the mythic haster from innistrad that can get stronger and cast instants from gy I think

also Thugguthy I kinda wish I got to play during ramunap red

with like hazoret the fervent

sounds like a fun time

[sleek ferry]

I didn’t even get to play during that time lol, I started legitly in eldraine

[twilit canyon]

i think its a waste to do budget red in explorer

[trail anvil]

I just figure it gives reach + if it survives for even 2 turns that's 4 face

[twilit canyon]

its just infinitely better in historic

u get drc

[trail anvil]

plus menace is a nice keyword

[hidden ermine]

Wtf is explorer again

[twilit canyon]

and static discharge

[trail anvil]

pioneer lite

[atomic harness]

so either historic or standard misty?

[hidden ermine]

Oh so Pioneer but later cutoff point?

[sleek ferry]

I want to do Gruul in explorer, but is there any overlap between gruul explorer and Gruul in historic?

[twilit canyon]

standard red is also finnicky

[hidden ermine]

And Im guessing theyll keep releasing old sets to get closer and closer to Pioneer?

And eventually modern

[trail anvil]

well pioneer but they haven't got to that point yet basically

[sleek ferry]

Modern ain’t coming to arena

[twilit canyon]

i transfered the explorer gruul list to historic with minor upgrades

[sleek ferry]

They already got historic to for that niche

[twilit canyon]

modern is coming

[trail anvil]

idk I think they want to bring over people to mtga instead of mtgo

[sleek ferry]

Confirmed?

[hidden ermine]

Theyd be silly not to bring modern

[twilit canyon]

i forget when but the wotc staff confirmed it

[atomic harness]

modern

[hidden ermine]

Its the biggest constructed format

[twilit canyon]

why else add a ton of mh2 stuff?

[hidden ermine]

People would absolutely play the hell out of modern on Arena

[sleek ferry]

Man modern in mtga sounds@like a movie

[trail anvil]

hopefully we get commander in the distant future

[atomic harness]

4 player commander in arena

[lusty trench]

Got my pre release tickets ready so I'm gonna rock up to MOM, open my bulk rares and do mediocre at best as is traditional

[sleek ferry]

Does this list look fine to you @twilit canyon or do you have a better one?

[hidden ermine]

Isnt historic brawl already Arenas commander?

[sleek ferry]

They don’t need to bring commander to wren, just being 4 player historic brawl

[twilit canyon]

yea that list is what i used for historic but i added some historic only stuff

[sleek ferry]

Bringing commander to arena would kill their biggest cash cow

[twilit canyon]

like [[huntmaster of the fells]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dka/140/huntmaster-of-the-fells-ravager-of-the-fells

Huntmaster of the Fells <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Werewolf
Whenever this creature enters the battlefield or transforms into Huntmaster of the Fells, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token and you gain 2 life.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if no spells were cast last turn, transform Huntmaster of the Fells.
2/2

Ravager of the Fells
Creature — Werewolf
Trample
Whenever this creature transforms into Ravager of the Fells, it deals 2 damage to target opponent or planeswalker and 2 damage to up to one target creature that player or that planeswalker's controller controls.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if a player cast two or more spells last turn, transform Ravager of the Fells.
4/4

[hidden ermine]

I do wonder how long until standard stops being the biggest format on Arena

[twilit canyon]

and [[jarsyl dark age scion]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/20/jarsyl-dark-age-scion

Jarsyl, Dark Age Scion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Starting intensity 1
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may cast a spell with mana value equal to Jarsyl, Dark Age Scion's intensity from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If you do, perpetually increase Jarsyl's intensity by 1.
3/3

[trail anvil]

I'd settle for that tbh

[sleek ferry]

Probably never. People want to play with new cards

[twilit canyon]

oh and [[molten impact]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/22/molten-impact

Molten Impact <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Molten Impact deals 4 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If excess damage was dealt this way, when you cast your next instant or sorcery spell, Molten Impact deals damage equal to the excess to target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls.

[trail anvil]

4 player historic brawl would hopefully help out with control being in the format

[sleek ferry]

And >5% of new cards are playable in other formats outside of standard

[trail anvil]

man those are all mythics and rares

[hidden ermine]

I mean, standard stopped being the biggest format in paper a couple years before Arena came out

And Draft already fills that niche better tbqh

[twilit canyon]

if they add modern to arena it would overtake standard for a bit

[sleek ferry]

I would probably attribute that to a lack of newer players coming into mtg pre commander boom tbh

[twilit canyon]

but standard has been solidly the most popular

[hidden ermine]

Surprisingly not the reason

The reason is MTG changing FNM rules in 2015

[sleek ferry]

What was the previous rule and what became the new rule

[hidden ermine]

FNM used to be limited in what you could run

IIRC it was Standard and the limited modes

Then ti was changed to "Any officially recognised format"

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ov-uAiCKlUS7JuK0Oq4rkA

@atomic harness

10 rares 1 mythic list

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

u can do bcg in the side if u want

[atomic harness]

Let's see how many of those I already have

[twilit canyon]

but u dont need bcg

this is closer to burn

[sleek ferry]

But we love bcg

[atomic harness]

I rly like bcg so I might main it haha

can I get away w that

[twilit canyon]

maybe

[atomic harness]

[[eidolon of the great]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/128/eidolon-of-the-great-revel

Eidolon of the Great Revel <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Whenever a player casts a spell with mana value 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player.
Xenagos reveled while Theros burned.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

big reason being that historic actually has a lot of 3 toughness guys u need to kill

[trail anvil]

wait how did dragon's rage channeler get rebalanced?

[hidden ermine]

So suddenly FNM could be anything, even commander

[sleek ferry]

Bcg was like the first card I ever played that I ever felt like “this card feels too strong”

[twilit canyon]

3/1 instead of a 3/3

[hidden ermine]

So people stopped playing standard lmao

[trail anvil]

jesus fuck it's a 3/3 normally?

[twilit canyon]

yes

drc is fucking absurdly good

[hidden ermine]

Idk, since MTGs standard/Historic split without the Brawls is already way closer than I thought it would be

[trail anvil]

modern horizons is a scary set collection

[hidden ermine]

I imagine standard is gonna stop being the biggest format at least as soon as modern comes out

[sleek ferry]

Unholy heat also got nerfed in historic right?

[hidden ermine]

(Seriously standard is 50% and Historic is 28% without historic brawl, wtf)

[twilit canyon]

yes

from 6 to 2

[trail anvil]

unrelated but when do we get the other swiftspear art on arena tbh

[sleek ferry]

Damn, I loved me some unholy heat

[twilit canyon]

6 to 4

[trail anvil]

I was gonna say lmao

[twilit canyon]

my bad

[trail anvil]

delirium: do the same thing

[twilit canyon]

i wanted to say from +4 to +2

but i fumbled

[hidden ermine]

We dont have official numbers on how big historic brawl is, do we?

[twilit canyon]

anyhow tho i do think rdw and burn does need a bit more than this but this is a decent starting point

big reason being that u can run lurrus

its free

u just need the lands

another is that 3 toughness is a threshold to hit in this format and to run it u will need wizards

to run [[wizards lightning]] that is

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/152/wizards-lightning

Wizard's Lightning <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
This spell costs less to cast if you control a Wizard.
Wizard's Lightning deals 3 damage to any target.
"The study of magic began when the first mage taught herself to throw lightning." —Naban, dean of iteration

[trail anvil]

I don't think we have official numbers but we have some unofficial ones from untapped.gg

from a year ago

[hidden ermine]

Hm

Seems to be out of date then

[sleek ferry]

I get the fun in historic brawl, but like, it’s so hard for me to feel like I’m getting the full experience 1v1

The second you give us 3 or 4 player historic brawl, that shit will blow up

[hidden ermine]

https://i0.wp.com/mtgazone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/image-16.png?resize=1536%2C864&ssl=1

[twilit canyon]

its highlander with a commnader. i get it but also just not for me

[hidden ermine]

Since this is what we got from wizards for the constructed formats

Historic is a bit more than half as big as standard is apparently

[trail anvil]

honestly I want to do commander but I don't have a group for it

[hidden ermine]

(Excluding brawl)

Which seems kinda crazy ngl

[twilit canyon]

this could be for bo3

[trail anvil]

hbrawl is just the closest thing I can get rn

[twilit canyon]

or bo1

standard bo1 is super popular

[trail anvil]

comboing off with simic is just what I really want at the end of the day

[hidden ermine]

I believe it was both at the same time

Well, what wizards is sharing

But yeah, hard to believe historic is already that close

[sleek ferry]

Do spelltable komi, you can usually get some decent games there

[hidden ermine]

I mean I get it, in the long run eternal formats that are supported always become more popular, but Arena is like 4 years old now

[twilit canyon]

how do u feel about splashing red or splashing white and black to storm off with

[hidden ermine]

Err, 3 years?

[twilit canyon]

4

[trail anvil]

wouldn't I just do cockatrice at that point

[trail anvil]

I'm not familiar enough with the cardpool so idk

[sleek ferry]

Well in spell table you use your actual cards

[twilit canyon]

oh i was just recommending historic temur breach or kethis combo

[trail anvil]

I'd probably like temur breach a lot

I played song of creation a combo a ton when that was in standard

[sleek ferry]

And I’ve always said I’d be down for commander over spell table with y’all, I got everything from cedh decks to casual commander decks waiting to get dusted off

Plus it gives me something to do now that I live in boring ass fucking Maryland

[trail anvil]

I'd need to get a paper deck first for that but I kinda wanted to try it online before investing into a deck

is there no lgs within driving distance for you thugs?

[twilit canyon]

breach is slightly scuffed in historic without mishra's bauble

to compensate they gave us a 2 drop that makes mopal

[trail anvil]

I keep forgetting that got banned cause I see it in hbrawl from time to time

[twilit canyon]

so now u can loop mopal or mamber for infinite

[sleek ferry]

Oh yeah I live near Dream Wizards and about 30 minute drive from Ace’s locals also, but I’m currently in the “first month living in a new state” struggle

[twilit canyon]

u just need a way to mill urself from there p much

[sleek ferry]

Got so much shit to buy for the house, and so little time atm

[twilit canyon]

damn fair

[sleek ferry]

If I make it past this month I’ll be gucci though

[atomic harness]

I can probably play some casual spelltable stuff with you once I get less busy

[sleek ferry]

That’s what I like to hear Ren

Yeah, I just need to get a camera or a phone arm to use as my camera

[trail anvil]

hang in there

[sleek ferry]

I’m counting down the months komi

14 more months till I go back home

[trail anvil]

same honestly, hopefully no more than 8 months for me

going from one of the most walkable cities in the US to suburbia sucks a ton

[sleek ferry]

I’m just mad that I legitly have to drive 30 minutes to get something as simple as a Goya can of beans

Like, where the hell am I

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

that's what r-1 zoning will do to a motherfucker

[atomic harness]

stay strong you two

[trail anvil]

corner stores are the essence of a great city and people need to hear that

[twilit canyon]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/995NKeCL_UaPzHl6t8wziw

this is some scattered thoughts on this archetype

i kinda wanna try it fair tho

[trail anvil]

gonna put diligent excavator in as a wincon?

[twilit canyon]

no why

jace does what excavator does but is a wincon

[atomic harness]

[[diligent excavator]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/51/diligent-excavator

Diligent Excavator <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you cast a historic spell, target player mills two cards. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Archaeologists don't just dig in the dirt. They excavate time, scraping off the years grain by grain.
1/3

[twilit canyon]

[[jace perfected mind]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/57/jace-the-perfected-mind

Jace, the Perfected Mind <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manaup:292901508780130305>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
Compleated ( can be paid with or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target creature gets -3/-0.
−2: Target player mills three cards. Then if a graveyard has twenty or more cards in it, you draw three cards. Otherwise, you draw a card.
−X: Target player mills three times X cards.
Loyalty: 5

[atomic harness]

Oh yeah just use jace

[twilit canyon]

-x on urself to load the yard recast with breach do it again

[trail anvil]

oh ic

[twilit canyon]

added benefits that he can hold down aggro in a pinch and draw u cards

also

perilous iteration can tutor him and displacer kitten

this is a wip for sure

but ill figure it out

maybe a single grapeshot is the key

[trail anvil]

urabrask comin in hot

[twilit canyon]

not for this deck

but im already thinking of ways

urabrask + birgi dream team

[sleek ferry]

On tinkerers cube draft is back

Time to spend all my gems to go 3-3

[trail anvil]

go-shintai is pretty fun, managed to recover from river's rebuke + a shit ton of bounce spells really well

this deck is just pure gas

you can get out-raced pretty easily but I'm sure that's just always gonna be the case for shrines

[golden plover]

Ragavan can put on his goggles but Chandra can't

[sleek ferry]

ragavan is like 10x more important than chandra

[rigid scarab]

If Ulamog is a Titan who breaks realities, why does he need an elven bow in order to hit a bird? Is he stupid?

[lusty trench]

You ever try swatting a mosquito

I imagine it's like that for ulamog

Strong and big doesn't mean fast

[twilit canyon]

damn digital only designs

[copper pecan]

they had a lot of really weird cards like this back then

like just a ton of cards that cared about colors and what kinds of lands your opponents had

[trail anvil]

I didn't die that turn but they did ruinous ultimatum me

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/1wK7wYIy72M

Good video

[twilit canyon]

this deck started mono-white

and ended up with crucias

crucias is so good

[atomic harness]

[[crucias]]

[lost widget]

No card found for “crucias”

[atomic harness]

yo esper sentinel

that deck looks insane

[[thalia's lieutenant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/103/thalias-lieutenant

Thalia's Lieutenant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
When Thalia's Lieutenant enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each other Human you control.
Whenever another Human enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Thalia's Lieutenant.
1/1

[atomic harness]

thats nutty

[clever sun]

[[Crucias Titan of the Waves]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/18/crucias-titan-of-the-waves

Crucias, Titan of the Waves <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Pirate
At the beginning of your end step, you may discard a card. If you do, create a Treasure token and choose ambitious or expedient. If you chose ambitious, seek a card with greater mana value than the discarded card. If you chose expedient, seek a card with lesser mana value than the discarded card.
3/3

[clever sun]

Crucias is Midrange in Historic

He is actually insane

[atomic harness]

if he's a titan of the waves how come he isnt blue

But yeah looks crazy

[clever sun]

You can use the seek to tutor specific cards

[atomic harness]

you pick depending on what you want right

[clever sun]

In this list Misty posted she can guarantee find Inquisitor Captain

Yep

[atomic harness]

[[inquisitor captain]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/8/inquisitor-captain

Inquisitor Captain <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Vigilance
When Inquisitor Captain enters the battlefield, if you cast it and there are twenty or more creature cards with mana value 3 or less among cards in your graveyard, hand, and library, seek two creature cards with mana value 3 or less. Put one of them onto the battlefield and shuffle the other into your library.
3/3

[clever sun]

But you can laser focus on a card

[atomic harness]

twnty

[clever sun]

Discard any three drop with Crucias and pick Ambitious

And he just finds a four drop

[atomic harness]

does that etb actually go off

[clever sun]

Yes

It's a super powerful card

[atomic harness]

interesting

oh wait it also works on hand and lib

I thought it was just gy

[twilit canyon]

yes

library and gy

[atomic harness]

OK i see it now, yeah that's good

[twilit canyon]

and all that

its better collected company in a lot of cases

[atomic harness]

ultra gas

[twilit canyon]

cus its baseline a 3/3 vigilance

[clever sun]

And it gives you a choice on the other card yep

[atomic harness]

I like the utility 1 drops too

giant killer hopeful

what does dauntless do lets see

[dauntless bodyguard]

[[dauntless bodyguard]]

[twilit canyon]

indestructible on a dude

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/14/dauntless-bodyguard

Dauntless Bodyguard <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Knight
As Dauntless Bodyguard enters the battlefield, choose another creature you control.
Sacrifice Dauntless Bodyguard: The chosen creature gains indestructible until end of turn.
The Benalish aristocracy is hereditary, but the loyalty of its subjects is earned.
2/1

[clever sun]

I'm glad you took my advice to heart though lol

[twilit canyon]

i was gonna do mono white fr

but she convinced me to splash for crucias

[atomic harness]

is it better than alseid of life's bounty and doggo bc of human synergy?

[twilit canyon]

yea

also its a 2/1 attacker

actually solid stats

won a few games to curve

dauntless -> aspirant -> crucias -> inquisitor

[clever sun]

Yeah very solid card

How is Cathar treating you in Historic

[twilit canyon]

p samey overall as what i expected

[atomic harness]

brutal cathar

Do you prefer it over skyclave

[twilit canyon]

it was between cathar or skyclave

and i went with cathar for the human synergy

it has helped

[atomic harness]

gotcha

[twilit canyon]

it maximizes the buffs off [[thalia's lieutenant]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/103/thalias-lieutenant

Thalia's Lieutenant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
When Thalia's Lieutenant enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each other Human you control.
Whenever another Human enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Thalia's Lieutenant.
1/1

[twilit canyon]

skyclave often has to sit behind like a bitch unable to swing

unable to block effectively too

between kudro and lieutenant tho cathar can consistently get to 4/4

[atomic harness]

goat

what was the lumi change again

[twilit canyon]

they reverted her

[atomic harness]

fr??

insane

best 2 drop baby

[twilit canyon]

yea

they said they would

[atomic harness]

[twilit canyon]

if a creature rotates and is appropriate power for historic they undo the nerf

[atomic harness]

if I go mono white though is it alright still? though yeah you lose out on crucias

[clever sun]

You lose out on Crucias and the big reason to play the deck

[atomic harness]

Ic

[clever sun]

Unfortunately this isn't quite like Modern

Mono-White doesn't has Shoal, Chancellor or Solitude

[atomic harness]

true

solitude my beloved

[[general kudro]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/187/general-kudro-of-drannith

General Kudro of Drannith <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Other Humans you control get +1/+1.
Whenever General Kudro of Drannith or another Human enters the battlefield under your control, exile target card from an opponent's graveyard.
, Sacrifice two Humans: Destroy target creature with power 4 or greater.
3/3

[trail anvil]

crucias nerf when tbh

[twilit canyon]

i dont want a crucias nerf tbh

good as he is

hes fine

[atomic harness]

is there anything hit worthy here

[twilit canyon]

i like it when a format has a midrange deck revolving around a 3 mana 3/3 with an end step trigger

all they need to do is unban bolt

[atomic harness]

bolt

[clever sun]

Bolt would do a LOT to the Jund Midrange deck

Crucias and Jarsyl both die to Bolt

[twilit canyon]

oh ty

[atomic harness]

[[dire tactics]]

[twilit canyon]

i forgot to add jarsyl to this deck

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/183/dire-tactics

Dire Tactics <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile target creature. If you don't control a Human, you lose life equal to that creature's toughness.
"I will preserve human life at all costs. I will stand alone against behemoths before I let them touch my city. I will hold the wall." —Oath of the Coppercoats

[atomic harness]

wow this is free

[twilit canyon]

im probably going mono-rainbow lands soon

it is free but

this sideboard is almost totally useless

i have used like 3 cards out of it

[atomic harness]

main is just that good

lemme check the others

[twilit canyon]

yea actually

[atomic harness]

[[penrengon besieged]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/7/penregon-besieged

Penregon Besieged <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, choose a creature with the least toughness among creatures your opponents control. It perpetually gets -1/-1.
When your opponents control no creatures, sacrifice Penregon Besieged.

[twilit canyon]

only side cards i have been bringing in are redaine and wedding and skyclaves

[atomic harness]

[[weathered runestone]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/247/weathered-runestone

Weathered Runestone <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Nonland permanent cards in graveyards and libraries can't enter the battlefield.
Players can't cast spells from graveyards or libraries.

[twilit canyon]

i only need to produce white to cast wedding the rest can be cast off rainbows

so i can side jarsyl

[atomic harness]

[clever sun]

Don't get toooo greedy

What rainbows do we have really?

[atomic harness]

unclaimed territory

[clever sun]

She is on max copies

and Secluded Courtyard

[atomic harness]

ohh uhh what else do we have aside from those

[clever sun]

there is also the Legendary Rainbow

[twilit canyon]

ziggurat is on arena

16 rainbow lands gives me comfort

the rest of the lands can be courtyard and vantage and godless

[clever sun]

Ohhhh right Ziggurat is in the format

Damn this sounds pretty real

What are you cutting off the side?

[twilit canyon]

anything not named skyclave or announcement

might play twe

but probs not needed

[atomic harness]

twe

[[knight of dusk's shadow]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/96/knight-of-dusks-shadow

Knight of Dusk's Shadow <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Knight
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Your opponents can't gain life.
: Knight of Dusk's Shadow gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
2/2

[twilit canyon]

this was my idea to slightly hose on sheoldred

it was significantly more ass than i expected

[atomic harness]

yea doesnt look all that great

[twilit canyon]

im leaving in the dire tactics to eat sheoldred

[atomic harness]

sounds good gamer

[twilit canyon]

actually...

[[divine smite]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/12/divine-smite

Divine Smite <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target creature or planeswalker an opponent controls phases out. If that permanent is black, exile it instead. (If it phases out, treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
"When darkness closes in around us, my blade will light our path."

[atomic harness]

Oh wait yeah that card is real

[twilit canyon]

hmmmmm

idk

[atomic harness]

could you run both?

[twilit canyon]

no

i dont want that much removal in my side

i actually wish we had plague engineer

meh

this does mean i still probably wanna run penregon besieged

it breaks creature mirrors bad

but plague engie destroys creature decks

[clever sun]

Plague Engie would do untold damage to Historic's creature decks

[twilit canyon]

yea

but fuck em

[clever sun]

lol

[zinc shard]

man this felt good

[twilit canyon]

oh

regenerate is coming to arena

huh

[trail anvil]

day of judgment now op

[twilit canyon]

not quite yet

[atomic harness]

is it welding jar time

[twilit canyon]

maybe

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/leoW7Opc0XU

TL;DW: Token Copies of Double Faced Cards can now transform

[lusty trench]

yeeeeeeessssss the copy deck grows stronger still

[twilit canyon]

official reveal

[golden plover]

Isn't this just a guy compiling the ones we've seen?

Hence why some have the "XXX" (officially revealed) and the others are numbered

[twilit canyon]

yea but im p sure we hadnt seen them numbered

[copper pecan]

that sheoldred is one number off from the funny weed number

[trail anvil]

@twilit canyon

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/12hkyeg/damn/

[twilit canyon]

damn

[copper pecan]

[[damn]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/80/damn

Damn <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy target creature. A creature destroyed this way can't be regenerated.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each.")

[twilit canyon]

thats crazy

i should still have the damn edit somewhere

[hidden ermine]

Yeah this week of custommagic was bad

4 jokes (of which one was funny at all) and a worse split card

[trail anvil]

yeah it was really bad

[hidden ermine]

https://i.redd.it/6c1c2txlajsa1.png

The only good one

And only because I have a soft spot for the ??? Profit memes

[trail anvil]

even the memes included the old fuckin squirrels vs emrakul joke

[hidden ermine]

The pot of greed of magic memes

[trail anvil]

midweek magic is momir again
wizards pls

stop

[trail anvil]

bro I'm fucking done

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/karsten_frank/status/1646175151443116032?t=fyl1wrfTCKD5HbbIGqou_g&s=19

Frank Karsten (@karsten_frank)

Big news: Ragavan will not be legal in Historic on MTG Arena!

(Source: 50-second mark in the video.)

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 3:35 PM

its over

[clever sun]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[sleek ferry]

They did the monkey dirty

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/StarCityBen/status/1645855799753703424?t=gpZR5cWwiWuY2Z3SmkXESg&s=19

Ben Bleiweiss (@StarCityBen)

Ragavan #1

Taking serious offers only, DMs are open.

Cannot ship until Friday at the earliest.

Free shipping!

#MTG #MTGMOM @starcitygames

Likes

803

Twitter · Apr 11, 2023, 6:26 PM

in other news

1/500 monkey was opened

this is it chat

im going broke here and now

[lusty trench]

The set isn't even out yet bruh

[twilit canyon]

it is

[lusty trench]

Pre release is Friday, I understand that LGS' can open early but the fact remains the set isn't out

[glad peak]

Vendors get stuff early early

Iirc the small vendors get them today (my friend who’s a vendor is saying that at least)

[twilit canyon]

yep

[lusty trench]

I apologize for my ignorance then, I wasn't aware vendors could sell before pre release

[twilit canyon]

they cant

ben is selling it on friday

they can pre-sell cards tho

but the sale will go thru friday

[lusty trench]

Ah

[sleek ferry]

001/500...

how much you bidding misty

[twilit canyon]

at least my grad school tuition

[sleek ferry]

yeah, that's more than i was going to offer him, so good on you

hopefully you get it

[twilit canyon]

note: i probably wont

i wont ruin my life on a magic card i own 4 of already

[sleek ferry]

but it's so pretty

[rigid scarab]

EDH vs cEDH is just devolving into strawmanning at this point isnt it

[glad peak]

Always has been

[rigid scarab]

Everywhere I go

Like a gosh darn farm

[glad peak]

Nah farm is a cedh archetype

[clever sun]

I love Thoughtseize

[twilit canyon]

still havent foiled out your crucias?

get with the times nerd

[clever sun]

I forget to do so

[twilit canyon]

shrines

[clever sun]

Yep

Testing a meme

[twilit canyon]

meme indeed?

[clever sun]

Meme yeah

This deck is ass

I'm giving it a bit more of a shot though since the core is reasonable

[twilit canyon]

tbf

a deck with crucias can only be so bad

[clever sun]

Yep hence why I am a bit more forgiving

Like okay

It has some super decisive victories

and some really awful losses

I might tinker with this when I get home

[twilit canyon]

list?

[clever sun]

One sec

Not sure if siding into Niv midrange is worth it but it's probably okay

[twilit canyon]

o

hm

i can see the confliction

it really is just spicy niv

[clever sun]

Right

But on that same front, it also means that it should be decent. The shrines are actually pretty good cards

[twilit canyon]

hmmmm

idk about that

[clever sun]

Oh no they are

They get insane value off multiples but the ones I have put in the deck so far are what I consider the best ones

[twilit canyon]

are they tho

[clever sun]

Yes

Singleton of the decent to meh shrines that are good in specific scenarios

Maxed out on sanctum of all to pop off with

For example: this deck isn't running the expensive fuck shrines

Honden of Seeing Winds and Life's Web are excluded because while okay, they interrupt Crucias finding Sanctum

Meanwhile, Sanctum of Fruitful Harvest is too slow to ramp compared to Crucias

And Honden of Night's Reach will... reach a point... where it does nothing

Go-Shintai of Lost Wisdom is mill... for some reason

The only card I am considering too is [[Chronicler of Worship]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/25/chronicler-of-worship

Chronicler of Worship <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Monk
When Chronicler of Worship enters the battlefield, put a random Shrine card from among the top seven cards of your library into your hand. It perpetually gains "This spell costs less to cast." Then shuffle.
: Add one mana of any color.
1/1

[clever sun]

Who in theory should be great

The issue is over what?

Verdict and Helix are great interaction to keep me alive

Kavu too

Crucias is mandatory

Expressive?

No way in hell

Expressive is so much value

[twilit canyon]

hm

after looking at the other shrines myself yea

huh

ur kinda right

[clever sun]

Right

The only shrine I can see being cut in the end is Shattered Heights

Or Ancient Wars

But they both have utility

[twilit canyon]

and at least they are 1 ofs

hm

i am starting to see ur dilemma more clearly

[trail anvil]

none of that domain o-ring?

[twilit canyon]

idt leyline binding keeps u alive like helix does but it can catch some kills that helix misses

that said, i also think theres not enough typed lands to fully enable domain consistently

i havent done the math

but im p sure that full typed domain is missed a fair bit here

[atomic harness]

thoughtseize

[clever sun]

Thoughtseize bug

They thoughtseized me by taking Crucias

I topdeck Crucias and they instantly concede

[clever sun]

And yeah Misty is pretty spot on

I may side it

Even if it's two mana

That's not bad

[trail anvil]

I was mostly wondering how much you needed to exile over kill

[clever sun]

Meh it's nice but not mandatory

[trail anvil]

I know I said before that I'm not looking forward to any particular cards in MOM, but the closer the set is to release the more excited I am still

hoping battles as a card type will shake up the game

[sleek ferry]

getting my daily 15 wins out the way

rakdos has been kinda mid, so i went back to grixis vampires

it's funner anyways

[twilit canyon]

raga-banned sucked my excitement out of the set ngl

[copper pecan]

they'd probably end up needing to ban it anyways

[twilit canyon]

maybe so but im bothered by them saying "we wont" to "actually we will"

on top of that, idk

i would have liked to have seen ragavan in action before banning

my big thing with ragavan is how it lines up with the format

and idt it does line up well

there is so much removal cus of how strong wizards are and tribal are that ragavan will be catching strays

and then the inverse is also an issue

theres so many creatures that ragavan cant swing into

[sleek ferry]

Aren’t there historic exclusive cards that are on par with ragavan?

Half of the shit I see you post from historic looks nuts

[twilit canyon]

yes but they did get nerfed (some)

drc and unholy heat

esper sentinel

esper sentinel is unchanged

[sleek ferry]

Also like, the way historic works, they could always nerf it

[twilit canyon]

and arguably the best 1 drop in historic aside from symmetry sage

[sleek ferry]

Especially with modern coming to mtga

[twilit canyon]

modern is still ways away though

[sleek ferry]

Historic already had its rebalancing niche even once we get modern

[twilit canyon]

i personally think ragavan wouldnt have even been that broken in historic

just bc of the cards played in the format

it would be like modern where ragavan really only shows up in 2 decks

decks that can really push monkey forward and let him connect

[sleek ferry]

I personally think people always talk about ragavan, as being this Uber broken card that I personally just don’t see it as

[waxen timber]

Is bolt in historic?

[twilit canyon]

nope

[glad peak]

Ragavan is very strong but there is also well enough answers for it

[dapper jacinth]

You talking about standard?

I don't play standard lol

[copper pecan]

no we're talking about historic

[dapper jacinth]

I don't play historic either

[copper pecan]

also i don't think ragavan would be healthy for the format at all

[dapper jacinth]

But thats cause i don't play arena

[copper pecan]

modern is never coming to mtga

[dapper jacinth]

I play commander

[glad peak]

Rag in modern isn’t broken no matter what people say

[dapper jacinth]

We talking about ravagan nimble pilferer?

[glad peak]

I never understood why some people insist others learn with commander tbh, leads to so many bad habits

Yep

[dapper jacinth]

Dw i didn't learn with commander i learnt with theme decks and deckbuildertoolkits

And those decks were jank

[glad peak]

One guy I know taps his lands all in a pile and flips them upside down and has swapped his hand with his lands on multiple occasions

[dapper jacinth]

But i learnt the game

[lusty trench]

why

90 degrees horizontally not good enough for them? Had to go 180 vertically?

[dapper jacinth]

What is your main commander deck?

[glad peak]

Nonono, much worse

I mean literally flipping them face down

[dapper jacinth]

Mines basically just a very slightly upgraded kathril aspect warper precon

[lusty trench]

I mean if you really wanted to you could call a judge on them for misrepresentation of board state? I think?

[dapper jacinth]

I also have a tyranid precon and the vehicles precon

[lusty trench]

I'm assuming this is a friend though so it's just really odd

[glad peak]

I would but this is a local group and people here don’t think knowing what’s on board is important

[lusty trench]

Right now it's mizzix but it will be baral and Kari zev

It wins with the dual caster twin flame combo

[dapper jacinth]

I really want wrenn and realmbreaker

[glad peak]

Meanwhile I just sit down and they get immediately scared no matter how bad my deck is (even 99 Basic lands + commander)

[lusty trench]

Yeah once you get a reputation for playing good shit it no longer matters what you're playing

[dapper jacinth]

Ill just summon my 14/14 commander with double strike, hexproof, indestructible and a bunch of other fun stuff

Ofc i die instantly to grave hate

[glad peak]

They play proxied which is great but then they also get scared when I sit down with bad stuff and they’re literally on cedh

[dapper jacinth]

Wow

[glad peak]

(Yes I checked out their list and it’s like 1 card off of grixis pile and the card is a flex slot)

[dapper jacinth]

I don't know who grixis is

[lusty trench]

I love when people play creature strats Vs me

[dapper jacinth]

Im very casual

[lusty trench]

Grixis is a combination of red black and blue

[dapper jacinth]

Sultai?

[glad peak]

Somehow the group with other jank decks like playing against him more even though they get turbo killed every game because he’s known to be just a bad player

[dapper jacinth]

Lol

[glad peak]

It’s always a funny dichotomy when his grixis pile is considered jank but my 50cent budget for each card is considered cedh

[dapper jacinth]

My budget is called being bothered to buy stuff

And small

[glad peak]

Oh they still target me with a deck of only draft chaff we got from a prerelease with their proxied cedh lists

[dapper jacinth]

I only got round to buying the remaining 2 chaos spaces i needed a week ago

[dapper jacinth]

You ever bought a collector booster?

I haven't

[twilit canyon]

i think it would have been worth giving it a shot at least

[glad peak]

Nope, the closest I’ve gotten to buying one was winning it

But more importantly the point is that commander really shouldn’t be how people learn the game

[lusty trench]

I've bought some over the last year, collectors boosters are fine, nothing special though

People get really scared of my Ur dragon deck

[dapper jacinth]

Its ur dragon

[lusty trench]

Like this is the least powerful out of the three dragon commanders I have available

[dapper jacinth]

Who else do you have

Tiamat?

[lusty trench]

Tiamat and miirym

[dapper jacinth]

I don't know who the mii dragon is

[lusty trench]

It makes non kegendary copies of dragons when they etb

[dapper jacinth]

Etb?

[lusty trench]

Enter the battlefield

[dapper jacinth]

Oh

[dapper jacinth]

Etb makes me think of those pokemon boxes lol

Huh nice

[glad peak]

tbh idk why people are so easily scared, it's just game

[twilit canyon]

cute little venture brew i did with lurrus

its a very functional deck

not amazing but pretty fun

[lusty trench]

The draft archetypes apparently

You couldn't pay me to play an izzet deck that isn't spellslinger

[hidden ermine]

... why is Izzet convoke

Thats a W/G keyword

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Sheoldred-400x559.png

very pretty alt art

[copper pecan]

because they had already done convoke in the other colors and wanted to explore the design space it had in blue and red

[sleek ferry]

Oh shit draft is tomorrow

[sleek ferry]

https://youtu.be/POVyCPCZttE

Thoughts?

[fallow citrus]

what card is it

[glad peak]

Reckless impulse

The card people said was alright and the card we already have 12 copies of

[fallow citrus]

for what format

[golden plover]

Isn't it also a reprint?

[[Reckless Impulse]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/vow/174/reckless-impulse

Reckless Impulse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
A stitcher looks at their creation and sees the result of years of study and hours of toil. A devil sees a new plaything.

[sleek ferry]

It’s [[wrenn’s resolve]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/173/wrenns-resolve

Wrenn's Resolve <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
Even as she burned, Wrenn bent Realmbreaker to her will.

[sleek ferry]

And he’s saying it’s an option in prowess if you want to run mono red prowess as opposed to izzet

He also ranks the top 5 cards in the set for modern

#1 is invasion of Ikoria

#2 is surge of salvation

#3 is Rona, herald of invasion

#4 is Djeru and Hazoret

#5 is Halo Forager

[atomic harness]

wow is that ei at home

[glad peak]

Nah that’s just extra reckless impulse and light up the stage at home

We already have a ton of those effects in modern and we already run maybe 0-6 at most already

[trail anvil]

omniscience cheese iluna can eat my ass lmao

always was able to hold up removal for the token and had chaos warp for iluna itself xd

[lusty trench]

One pack before pre release

[dapper jacinth]

Nice

Im going to prerelease tomorrow

[glad peak]

Huh the talents are going to be awkward to play with in limited

[copper pecan]

the talents aren't in limited

[glad peak]

Good

Oh wait there are multiverse legends in every pack?

Unless someone told me wrong info

[waxen timber]

Yes

[glad peak]

On one hand, kinda cool

On another, damn that’s a lot of bombs

[lusty trench]

In the pre release pool

[sudden lava]

@lusty trench build something with her

[lusty trench]

I did

It was bad cause I forced it

[glad peak]

Prerelease went as expected

Bombs and bombs

Sure I won but turns out red blue midrange with etali is good in limited

[trail anvil]

wait isn't elesh norn crazy in standard for monowhite?

you pressure their life total pretty well already, but her effect (plus how nice vigilance is rn with that large toughness) means you can threaten their life total even harder when they try to block you

it also pairs well with wedding announcement cause you get to swing for free for draws

I need to try monowhite on day one so badly

[twilit canyon]

she will be strong yes

[dapper jacinth]

Etali is good tho

I heard elesh norn was op during prerelease

Mines in like 2 and a half hours

Ngl would be pretty funny to pull both elesh norn and her grand cenobite version in the same pod

[glad peak]

Norn honestly did nothing in all of the games I saw her in

[atomic harness]

true kidge isnt she winmore

[twilit canyon]

shes a bomb if she flips in limited

[atomic harness]

I feel like if I want a 4 itd be TWE no?

oh for standard I mean

[twilit canyon]

in constructed she will be strong

[glad peak]

Either you win in an overwhelmingly good position or you lose because you have nothing other than norn yep

[twilit canyon]

the burn is relevant

[glad peak]

I’m talking about in limited rn btw, constructed is a very different story

[twilit canyon]

in constructed u dont flip her

in limited yea she has to eat a board state to flip so like. why? unless u have so mant disposable bodies but in that case i gues

[glad peak]

Limited felt like one person stalling/chipping in with small creatures and the other running removal then you both start dropping bombs

[twilit canyon]

theres no way im giving up real creatures to her in limited unless im sure her saga won me the game

[glad peak]

So I think she’s good in the case where both players run a bunch small creatures to try and stall

[twilit canyon]

i guess the other big issue: it isnt hard to hold up mana in limited since u dont often have to spend all of it later in the game

vs in constructed it gets harder vs some decks to do so

[glad peak]

But if anyone plays any sort of removal (and mom has a lot of good low drop removal) norn is trashed

Idk how to feel about this limited format

[copper pecan]

i'm glad march of the machine isn't super aggressive like how the last few limited formats were

even if it does have some problems

like they never should have put [[phyrexian censor]] in a set with battles in it, that interaction is really unintuitive and will lead to lots of misplays

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/31/phyrexian-censor

Phyrexian Censor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Each player can't cast more than one non-Phyrexian spell each turn.
Non-Phyrexian creatures enter the battlefield tapped.
Quintorius muffled a sob as he watched the thing that was once Professor Pitnik "confiscate" yet another priceless historical tome.
3/3

[glad peak]

There are still tons of opportunities to die early especially with the aggro focused legends