Magic the Gathering

[golden plover]

Every companion is in multiverse legends

[sudden lava]

trying to remember, whats the name of that one double sided pest legendary creature?

[trail anvil]

blex

[sudden lava]

yep blex thank you

oh hey this is kinda like a vehicle version of living weapon

[trail anvil]

well you need 2 more mana to swing with it on the turn it comes down, but yeah

unless you already have a 2 power creature

it being a vehicle means it also dodges the best doomblade in the format too

[golden plover]

Man opening Lurrus is gonna suck

"here's a cool card you can't play in any format"

Also

Cycle of set booster exclusive planeswalker auras

They all seem pretty good

[golden plover]

HOLY SHIT

[lusty trench]

Fucking what

[golden plover]

This guy is ridiculous

[sleek ferry]

That’s pretty decent

[golden plover]

It's VERY good imo

Especially in stuff like K'rrk

[sleek ferry]

It’s not game winning or anything though

[golden plover]

It's not, but it gets you there

[twilit canyon]

much worse than necropotence

honestly worse than asmodeus in k'rrik

worse than villis too

this card is ass compared to citadel at the same cost

[golden plover]

It's an extra copy of the effect at cheaper than vilis and Asmodeus

[twilit canyon]

and significantly worse than both where u wouldnt run it

[golden plover]

I don't see how

Skipping your draw step doesn't matter as long as your hand isn't literally empty

[twilit canyon]

asmodeus is a mana sink

so is villis

and citadel goes from the top of your library

and makes it all free

[golden plover]

Obviously you wouldn't cut any of them for it

[twilit canyon]

how is this playable at all

[golden plover]

This is just an extra copy

[twilit canyon]

its not

it is significantly worse than all 3 cards

and for value?

necro has it beat

[golden plover]

Obviously, but I think it's better than asmo most of the time

[twilit canyon]

it isnt

[sudden lava]

I was gonna say anti mill, then read its third effect. Still insane

[twilit canyon]

asmodeus is a staple in every single k'rrik build that takes itself seriously

u cant beat pay 6 life draw 7

this guy requires cards to begin with to start going off, doesnt offer a discount, costs like per spell (so k'rrik would be losing 3 min)

[golden plover]

Oh true. I dunno, I think it's gonna be nice to have as redundancy in decks

[twilit canyon]

*life

except asmo, villis, and citadel are already redundancy to necro

[golden plover]

And running an extra copy is probably pretty solid

[twilit canyon]

it isnt

at some point especially in mono-black

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Vulpine-Harvester.jpg

FOX

[twilit canyon]

u just want more cards and abilities that do different things

for perspective

this demon is a manual storm card

thats where it would be best in

except we just got a new manual storm card in urabrask

at 2 less mana, provides more mana, can be a sink itself, and then gives a hypebuffed pif

[lusty trench]

Are all the commander decks being listed today or are they tomorrow as well

[golden plover]

They're all today

So far, they all suck too

The phyrexian deck unironically has some of the worst reprint value in any commander deck they've ever done

[twilit canyon]

im not looking at any commander card today unless /r/cedh discord goes off on them

[golden plover]

And that's impressive considering the Naya deck had a single $10 card

I still think the new Teshar is probably really strong as a commander too btw

Sure you lose everything at the end of the turn, but they're dead by then

[twilit canyon]

moira and teshar is probably ok

held back by the colors

[golden plover]

I mean, Teshar has been a really strong commander in mono-white

[sudden lava]

so how we feeling about the mono fire praeter (forgot name)

[golden plover]

Getting black added is probably not bad

[sudden lava]

monored*

[golden plover]

Regular Teshar is probably better

But the new one seems strong enough

[twilit canyon]

regular teshar is better in a linear sense

moira and teshar get some decent buried alive piles

[sudden lava]

Urabrask*

[twilit canyon]

urabrask is good in manual storm

great in the 99 of birgi

[golden plover]

I'll probably try and build something for new Teshar at some point

[twilit canyon]

probably gonna be a powerful legacy and modern storm staple

[golden plover]

Isn't he also a backup birgi in various decks

[twilit canyon]

yes

[golden plover]

He's not as versatile as birgi, but he's extra copies

[twilit canyon]

in any deck where birgi was good in (her own deck too), urabrask is insane

[golden plover]

And if he flips, he's a lot stronger

[twilit canyon]

yes he wont draw cards like birgi instead his value comes from the fact that he is a wincon

wincon + a 2nd overclocked pif effect

[golden plover]

I'll probably try him out in Elsha as a backup birgi and a backup wincon

[twilit canyon]

yes if u manual storm, hes insane

[golden plover]

I've been looking to cut [[Vexilus Praetor]] for a bit anyways

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/19/vexilus-praetor

Vexilus Praetor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Custodes Warrior
Flash
Vigilance
Aegis of the Emperor — Commanders you control have protection from everything.
There is no greater bulwark than the Praetors of the Adeptus Custodes, the bodyguards of the Emperor of Mankind.
3/4

[golden plover]

This isn't the worst card, and I've enjoyed making Elsha into progenitus to protect combo lines

I just don't think it's worth keeping him around

Both are unfortunately creatures tho

[sleek ferry]

Noooo, the Fox from eldraine got turned

[golden plover]

They're on Amonkhet tho

[lusty trench]

My issue with something like vexilus is that I don't like signalling layers of protection on my commander

I'd much rather just have a counterspell or whatever

[sleek ferry]

That’s assuming you’re in colors that have a counter spell

[golden plover]

See it's backup combo protection here

Counterspells in hand, Grand Abolisher/T3f on board, and then Praetor to guarantee they can't interact

This is [[Elsha of the Infinite]] for context

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/208/elsha-of-the-infinite

Elsha of the Infinite <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Djinn Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast noncreature spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, you may cast it as though it had flash.
3/3

[golden plover]

Her being on the board is a bit vital to most of the wincons

[granite badge]

this is epic

really like this

seems decently strong

[golden plover]

I think it'll end up in a couple decks as a very strong option

[sleek ferry]

Was this posted?

[golden plover]

There he is

Kinda sad it wasn't Thalia and Saint Traft

And Rem and Gitrog would have made sense, since Rem's whole thing has been taming random innistrad monsters

[lusty trench]

Honestly this effect goes hard

[lusty trench]

Yes I love having more creatures to convoke with

[golden plover]

Oh nice. He is pretty solid

But yeah, Thalia and Saint Traft would have been a better pairing lorewise

[twilit canyon]

thalia is busy riding the gitrog

[lusty trench]

attack trigger

[twilit canyon]

st traft also already gave thalia his blessing so rather its cool that rem now also gets a buff

[lusty trench]

I like this a lot

[lusty trench]

Oh I love this

[sleek ferry]

Idk why they had wand enter tapped

That’s kinda annoying

[lusty trench]

best reprint is Elspeth sun's champion

Welp here's hoping they put all the value in the last precon

[sleek ferry]

Which ones left? I might have seen it in my recommended

[sudden lava]

still a while till we get the eldrazi and sliver precons 😴

[sleek ferry]

Phyrexian Eldrazi

[sudden lava]

No ^

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Commander-Masters.png

commander master's 4 precons

[sleek ferry]

They’re master products so surely the reprint value will be over $200

[sudden lava]

Eldrazi tribal, sliver tribal, superfriends, and enchantments

[lusty trench]

You'll get your slow lands and will like it

[sleek ferry]

Tbh idec about the mana base that much

Just give me some higher priced staples

(Not doubling season)

[sudden lava]

can we tell who the sliver is?

[rigid scarab]

Not revealed yet

Also

Holy hell these precon reprints are a new level of ass

Adeline is the most expensive reprint in the Knight precon

[sudden lava]

yeah but like can we tell if it's an older sliver coming back in a new card?

[rigid scarab]

Slivers all look the same

[lusty trench]

Not true I don't think

[sudden lava]

they have some differences

[sudden lava]

like cloudshredder sliver has wings

[lusty trench]

This is the most expensive knight reprint I think

[sudden lava]

pixels

[lusty trench]

The most expensive reprint in the final deck is...

Tireless tracker

[sudden lava]

also urdragon reprint

[rigid scarab]

I mean I guess

But is it really a standout reprint

Like nothing in it pops out to me

Esp with Flawless Maneuver being in the last wave

[sudden lava]

this desperately needed the reprint, good lord

[lusty trench]

Rashmi and ragavan is a thing

Oh I like this a lot

[sudden lava]

Mmmm

Monkey

[rigid scarab]

You're kidding me

The most valuable reprint in the Orzhov deck

[rigid scarab]

Is fucking Ancient Stone Idol?

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1092890578502557706/Dance-with-Calamity-MOC-672.png

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rigid scarab]

Oh this is just AdNaus for Red

[fallow citrus]

lmfao

it was just another day on innistrad

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Kithkin-Billyrider.jpg

[sudden lava]

Kithkin

[rigid scarab]

Did we find the good cedh card then

[sleek ferry]

Surely hedron detonator goes infinite with osgir fairly easily

[golden plover]

Yeah definitely

Oh shit it's also an Elsha card

We don't even have to see a payoff

Yeah this is stupid good in Elsha

[lusty trench]

He screams

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636013795507961892/1092888416087191613/image.png?width=853&height=602

we finally have a name for the plane yanggu and yanling are from

[hidden ermine]

Huh

[granite badge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ys2jHhI6IsY?feature=share

this is funny

[glad peak]

Calamity is good in theory but 8cmc vs 5cmc is huge

Luckily it’s in the color that can more often than not hit that with treasures but that requires a lot of setup

[dense berry]

funny but i would imagine whats not shown is various other dealings with these players and vendors that make up the value difference

because typically speaking the strategy of "im wanting to trade up wanna help out" doesnt work on vendors

players who think its a cool concept might help out, sure but probably not people paying for stall at a convention probably arent looking for an even trade, let alone a buyer favored one

[strong quartz]

this seems like the incubate payoff I was expecting. Not bad just playing on 1 and tempoing out your incubators

[golden plover]

Tezz doing funny things

[hidden ermine]

What does "chaos ensues" mean

[fallow citrus]

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Planechase_(format)

[fallow citrus]

chaos ensues is the second mode on these cards

[golden plover]

Pretty much, yeah

[hidden ermine]

Ah I see

[sudden lava]

yeah the new precons are meant to be played in Planechase commander

[trail anvil]

https://i.redd.it/moc-begin-the-invasion-weeklymtg-set-booster-exclusive-v0-yuco16a3lwra1.png?s=8a5fb75ebd16c7dba19472841985a1e0fddbcd91

I'm so glad this card exists

especially with that banger art

[sleek ferry]

That art fucks so hard

[clever sun]

I love bad cards with great art

[atomic harness]

True

[glad peak]

Oof commander card

Funny card though

[atomic harness]

how come benrith died by the way, isnt he broken

[clever sun]

Broken card doesn't mean broken in-lore

Also we don't really know how he dies

[atomic harness]

understandable

what about oko, was he actually broken in lore

[clever sun]

They are usually pretty good at showcasing power level with cards

Oko is supposed to be a really strong walker

Hmmm what is a good example here...

Tibalt is a decent example

Before being empowered, he was pretty weak. His card(s) in turn was pretty weak

Then when impersonating Valki and getting ahold of the legendary Kaldheim sword, he becomes a really powerful walker

Liliana has a good cycle

When she was empowered by the Chain Veil, her original walker card is iconic and really powerful

When she didn't use it, her printed cards got worse

[atomic harness]

Lotv

[clever sun]

However, on Innistrad, her Magic is powerful

[[Liliana the Last Hope]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/81/liliana-the-last-hope

Liliana, the Last Hope <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Up to one target creature gets -2/-1 until your next turn.
−2: Mill two cards, then you may return a creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
−7: You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your end step, create X 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens, where X is two plus the number of Zombies you control."
Loyalty: 3

[clever sun]

She recieved another really powerful card

[atomic harness]

Oh that looks decent yeah
what about the wanderer? I think all of her pw cards are pretty good

[clever sun]

Yes

Even her original card was pretty good

[[The Wanderer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/37/the-wanderer

The Wanderer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker
Prevent all noncombat damage that would be dealt to you and other permanents you control.
−2: Exile target creature with power 4 or greater.
Loyalty: 5

[clever sun]

Limited bomb

And also Wandering Emperor matches her lore power level

As of yet, the only character to effortlessly solo a Praetor

[atomic harness]

[clever sun]

Kaya and Tyvar and some other dorks from Kaldheim were beating Vorinclex's ass but that was with help

Obviously

I'd say Kaya killing Heliod is the most impressive thing a walker has done, but the gods in Theros are very maleable by the beliefs in said gods and the story implied that Kaya was being viewed and empowered with reverence

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Strixhaven.jpg

[atomic harness]

Yeah I was going to ask about Kaya but I remember Vorin escaped

bc he's cool

[clever sun]

Hmm

I think with the losses on Kaldheim, Vorinclex is the praetor who took the most L's

He got his ass kicked by Kaya and Tyvar on Kaldheim, then on New Phyrexia, Lukka and Nissa were kicking his ass with the Wanderer before she was forced out and then Lukka turned

[atomic harness]

unlucky...

[clever sun]

again on New Phyrexia, Norn got angry and used a part of him as a weapon before he got his ass handed to him permanently

[atomic harness]

which of the breators ended up w the least Ls?

[clever sun]

Two-way tie between Norn and Urabrask

Wait

Hmm it is unclear

Norn technically

Since she took over the other Praetor's realms at the end of the story of New Phyrexia

But it is unclear if she had to beat down Urabrask and Sheoldred to do so

[atomic harness]

[clever sun]

If she did, then they both get +1 L

If she didn't, then Urabrask only took the L at the very end

[sleek ferry]

Didn’t Kaya effortlessly solo Vorinclex too?

Actually, I’d argue Kaya has yet to struggle in a fight

[lusty trench]

Kind of hard to be threatened when you have a get out of jail free card as an ability

[sleek ferry]

I mean, so does the emperor?!

[sleek ferry]

I’m getting back into standard and man

There’s so many viable decks

[glad peak]

Contrary to popular belief, modern is hella fun rn too

[sleek ferry]

Well modern’s been fun

But people are always quick to shit on standard

Despite standard having been really good for the last like year+

Whenever we got out of izzet dragon format, standards been really good from then till now

[granite badge]

for me I just don't like standard conceptually

but I don't like, go out of my way to tell people "omg guys rotation bad standard sucks"

[sleek ferry]

Imo that’s what makes standard great, it’s ever changing. And we haven’t had a single deck(s) dominate the format since eldraine

[fallow citrus]

I think people like shitting on standard because it's less and less popular in paper

also it's the classic "arena lol"

[sleek ferry]

My anvil deck is a bit outdated, what upgrades should I make (outside of the land base)

[atomic harness]

You said it Aeri

[sudden lava]

so 7 mana deal 7 to all non-flying creatures and each player

on ETB

[languid quest]

so he doesn't have flying keyword by default

[sudden lava]

too chonk, he needs to exert himself to fly

[granite badge]

My issue is moreso

I don't have the funds to constantly edit my deck every couple months, and I don't want too

the psychology aspect of "oh god my deck is almost out of standard gotta get my moneys worth and play as much as possible" also creates unhealthy habits for me imo

I just don't want to deal with it when I can play Modern or EDH or hell even Sealed formats where these issues are a lot more mitigated

I don't dislike Standard for power level reasons or for it being mainly on Arena atm, I dislike it because and only because of rotation

fuck rotation tbh

[sleek ferry]

Yeah but look at the bright side

Rotation keeps prices low

[hidden ermine]

I mean it is super unpopular for a reason

[hidden ermine]

Standard is generally seen as more expensive than modern, so Im gonna question how it keeps prices low

[granite badge]

I don't have any data to back this up but from ancedotial experience I've noticed the most expensive stuff usually is standard staples

[languid quest]

there is currently no reason to play standard if you can play modern or legacy instead

then there is pauper that's always good option for those that just to play game with minimal investment

[golden plover]

Rotation is supposed to keep prices low, but it really hasn't lately

Standard decks are still $500+ because of stuff like Sheoldred and Fable

[granite badge]

Rotation has always felt like a bandaid fix to a practical problem with no one answer

[hidden ermine]

I mean rotation in magic has its basis in suuuuuper early ideas

And to some degree the block format

Nowadays it exists because its always existed and oyu dont really wanna change a moving system, but its also less relevant than its ever been because people stopped caring about paper standard starting in 2015

[languid quest]

interesting enough early days reserved list was early form of that

if WotC wants to make people care about paper standard again they need to bring back major paper MtG events

[sleek ferry]

This is just a situation of a lot of current sets actually having modern playable cards. But 90% of rares and mythics stay cheap during their standard run

[languid quest]

ones that have prices that make taking part in those and thus playing paper standard worth it

[hidden ermine]

Tbh that wouldnt even be enough

[sleek ferry]

Also it should be noted, once those expensive standard cards rotate out, the price can only go up due to it being less accessible

[hidden ermine]

They would have to undo the 2015 FNM change

But that would be a bad idea™️

[sleek ferry]

Also holy fucking shit man, fuck phyrexian obliterator

[hidden ermine]

Like once people werent forced to play standard as the only constructed FNM

There was just no reason to play standard anymore

[golden plover]

They also won't push standard because they wanna push commander

[hidden ermine]

Thats reversing cause and effect tbh

Theyre pushing commander over standard because thats what the playerbase chose

[sleek ferry]

Yeah idt one is dependent on the other

[copper pecan]

yeah i think the main thing that killed standard in paper is that people just don't want to play rotating formats

[rigid scarab]

Aren't they pushing commander over everything rn

[copper pecan]

i know that when standard was first introduced people absolutely hated it and the only reason the format took off was because wotc basically forced people to play it by making it the only tournament format

[rigid scarab]

And they have been for years

[copper pecan]

they're pushing commander because commander is far and away the most popular way to play the game

[hidden ermine]

Yeah, because people chose commander

They started pushing commander hard in ...

Was it 2019?

2018 or 2019

[sleek ferry]

Ikoria

[hidden ermine]

... thats 2020 lmao

Anyway, thats when they started pushing commander, but commander overtook standard in 2016 at the latest

Theyre just chasing the money

[sleek ferry]

Everything from Ikoria on was super pushed towards commander

We even started seeing standard sets conforming to commander players

[golden plover]

They started pushing it all the way back in 2013

[rigid scarab]

I don't think the playerbase has overall enjoyed WOTC doing the big commander push though

[golden plover]

It's just gotten crazy amounts since 2020ish

[rigid scarab]

ESPECIALLY not with certain things

[sleek ferry]

The commander push is fine

[golden plover]

Yeah, especially with some of the pushed cards and the sheer amount of product

[hidden ermine]

The game has grown and made money the most it ever has

[sleek ferry]

The issue a lot of people have is that the commander community sucks

[hidden ermine]

The vocal, established playerbase might not be happy about it

But the actual playerbase? No, they seem quite very happy

[sleek ferry]

Because a lot of commander players don’t actually respect the game of magic, they only know commander as the lone format

[golden plover]

There's a vocal part of the player base that hates it, but there's also new players all the time tjst don't care

[rigid scarab]

Isn't that alienating your playerbase though

[golden plover]

Yeah, and that's sorta my issue with them pushing commander so hard

It should be a supplemental format, once you've already got an understanding of the game

Not an entry point

Commander is a TERRIBLE entry point

[rigid scarab]

But what if you only care about Commander

[golden plover]

Then that's different, but people shouldn't be learning commander first

[sleek ferry]

Like I have 0 issues with commander being the most popular format, my issue lies with the politics and entitlement that a lot of commander players have

[golden plover]

Yeah, a lot of commander players don't actually want to play magic

That's my biggest issue

[sleek ferry]

Yeah

[rigid scarab]

Like if WOTC released a statement of "Hey, we're not gonna be revolving our main sets around Commander as much now"

How much of the community would realistically be outraged

[hidden ermine]

Commander is a way of playing magic

[golden plover]

A lot of casual commander players want to do their one specific combo or wincon and don't wanna interact with their 3 opponents

[hidden ermine]

They dont want to play a different format, but a lot of people are mono-format

[golden plover]

It's whatever when people are better about it, and commander is fun when everyone is actually playing and trying

But like I've been at parties and stuff where people will whip out their decks and complain about the stupidest shit

[hidden ermine]

I think really the main thing is that people who dont like commander are unhappy that its so extremely popular every other format gets lower priority

[golden plover]

"Bro why'd you counterspell my (game winning card) when he's got a big threat out"
"Why are you attacking me? I can't do anything rn"

[hidden ermine]

But tbh standard used to be that format and at least people actually like commander

[rigid scarab]

And that's the thing, right

Those people are established, competitive players

[golden plover]

Commander is great when everyone realizes it's a game and there's a winner, so you should try and win

[sleek ferry]

Like Saint said, there’s a lot of “I don’t want to face x or I don’t want to face y” within the commander community, but also it’s like, if commander is the only thing you know, who are you to say what should/shouldn’t be played

[rigid scarab]

And I personally wouldn't be happy if WOTC changed it into

Basically a board game

[golden plover]

It's the "open mic night" commander players that make commander really suck with randos

[hidden ermine]

Those were always a tiiiiny minority

[sleek ferry]

I just saw a video on people saying they don’t play sol ring in commander because it makes the format funner

And I was just like ????

[golden plover]

I just moved so I'm trying to find a new LGS and last Thursday, played a game in a pod where one dude was on Ixhel

[hidden ermine]

There is a very small handful of genres where competitive players are the majority, and card games is not one of those genres

[golden plover]

He won via proliferation

[rigid scarab]

Like

I get your point

Big playerbase

Chase the big playerbase

[sleek ferry]

Where did you move to Saint

[golden plover]

And the Gisa and Geralf player went "that's bullshit, I can't interact with that"

[golden plover]

Virginia Beach

[rigid scarab]

But like, Commander would be completely fine without WOTC intervention

[sleek ferry]

Oh shit

We’re kinda close but not really

[golden plover]

Got an offer with a fine dining restaurant and a really nice apartment so I'll probably hang out here for a year or so

[rigid scarab]

Just release a Commander-centric product every year or so

And you're fine

[hidden ermine]

Sure it would be

[sleek ferry]

Yeah I’m out here for 15 months-2 years, then looking into buying a house in NY

[hidden ermine]

But then youre making less money and not doing what the players want

[golden plover]

Also my take on this is that sol ring is really swingy and honestly should be banned, but it's something you'd have to ban outright for everyone

[hidden ermine]

Doesnt really make sense from a business or design standpoint

[golden plover]

The ideal time to ban sol ring would have been 10 years ago, since it's in every precon now and 99% of decks

[sleek ferry]

Eh, I don’t like the swingy argument because you have a 4 player pod, if 1 player opens sol ring/other fast mana, you have 3 people that can address that issue

[golden plover]

Yeah that's theoretically true, but the issue comes down to no one properly doing that

[rigid scarab]

IMO Commander would have grown just about as well if WOTC scaled back on its push

[golden plover]

Either way, it's beside the point. Sol ring is never gonna get banned now unfortunately

[rigid scarab]

At least not releasing new waves of precons every core set

[hidden ermine]

Maybe

[sleek ferry]

Also, if they do land/sol ring/talisman. Yeah they got 4 mana turn 1, but now they better hope the other 4 cards in hand are game winning

[golden plover]

I can just hope they kill dockside and Thoracle at some point

[hidden ermine]

But people would have fewer options for the format and wizards would have less money

[sleek ferry]

And there’s def cards that I rather play over a t1 sol ring

[rigid scarab]

I think that you and I are talking from different points here

[sleek ferry]

Esper sentinel > sol ring

[hidden ermine]

Im not sure who that arrangement benefits

[golden plover]

But yeah the main point is that "open mic night commander" (stuff like game knights) has really messed with trying to find games that don't suck

[hidden ermine]

And tbh? Its not like the push hurts any format people actually care about

I think? Ive heard Draft has been good the last 2 years

[golden plover]

The other big issue is a price one, but wotc will never fix the price one

[hidden ermine]

Thats the one format Im not 100% on

[golden plover]

I think outside of ONE, every limited recently has been great

[rigid scarab]

WOTC doesn't care about them as much is what hurts them

[sleek ferry]

Game knights (mainly Jimmy, Josh has started to be more open to high powered games), has made everybody have hive mind when it comes to even slightly optimizing your deck

[rigid scarab]

When was the last time you heard WOTC talk big about like

The next big competitive event

[golden plover]

Yeah, I'd like to see more of the big commander players play more optimized decks

But the cost thing becomes an issue of the arms race at any given store

[sleek ferry]

Also Rachel weeks contributed big to that hive mind

[hidden ermine]

I mean competitive events dying out is seperate from commander being pushed tbh

Youll have to ask Wizards whats up with that

[sleek ferry]

Which is why I kinda can’t stand watching her at times

[rigid scarab]

How so

[golden plover]

Once someone buys an expensive card and starts winning with it, everyone either complains and leaves or also starts buying expensive shit

[rigid scarab]

I see it as WOTC sacrificing the competitive aspect of Magic in favour of its casual aspect

[hidden ermine]

Modern and Draft are still super popular, and Legacy has its niche, they can run the competitive events

You dont need to sacrifice anything though

[sleek ferry]

Like in a format where proxying is encouraged, why wouldn’t you want to optimize your deck?

[hidden ermine]

Running events and making products are two entirely seperate teams

[rigid scarab]

Some people just simply enjoy playing lower power

[sleek ferry]

That’s fine, but you say that before sitting down at a table

Or you ask

You don’t sit down and then bitch about it while the game is going on

[rigid scarab]

Haven't been following this convo much

[golden plover]

See the issue is some people at LGSes are still weird about proxies

[rigid scarab]

I'm assuming you don't want the average power level to push to CEDH levels

But like

Mid opt

[sleek ferry]

That’s a big issue to me though

[golden plover]

Ive been to shops where I asked if I could play proxies at the table, people go "nah" and then pull out a real gaea's cradle

[sleek ferry]

There’s CEDH then there’s non CEDH

[golden plover]

And like, that shit sucks

[languid quest]

while as EDH player I do some what like that WotC is pushing it there is that they are just making too many cards for it in sets

[golden plover]

You can optimize a deck without it being cedh

[sleek ferry]

And people that play non cedh make these arbitrary numbers to describe how powerful their deck is

[golden plover]

Like this is probably one of my most optimized decks, and it wouldn't be anywhere close to cedh level

[rigid scarab]

That is infact one of CEDH's strengths, yes

[golden plover]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/xjmfvE63v0GMDZ_kG7SQ6A

It's Voltron/Legendary tribal with an occasional t2/3 kill

[rigid scarab]

But where do you place the line

[hidden ermine]

Out of curiosity I looked up GP attendance and uh

[rigid scarab]

Is 15 fast mana cedh

[sleek ferry]

Like I can tell you my deck is not a cedh deck, but you’ll probably bitch about it if I combo off and win (not you but whoever I’m playing vs)

[rigid scarab]

Or 10

[hidden ermine]

Maybe thats why they stopped running big competitive events

[golden plover]

I don't really place the line

[hidden ermine]

Its been kinda stagnant

[golden plover]

I play some cedh decks so realistically I don't care

If you wanna play a powerful deck, go for it

[sleek ferry]

I don’t think their should be a line tbh, not for non cedh

[rigid scarab]

If only there was some sort of culprit to all this

Some sort of possibly online client

[golden plover]

Just as long as the table is on the same page, you can do whatever deck wise

But I personally think even if you're not playing Cedh, decks are way more fun when they're optimized

[hidden ermine]

Funny enough, no

It was stagnant before Arena existed

[sleek ferry]

You as a player should be able to ask “hey, what commanders is everybody playing” and make your decision whether you want to play with that group or not based on the commander selections

[rigid scarab]

At what point does a non cedh deck become cedh?

[hidden ermine]

Also Arena only covers standard and standard was the least popular format GPs were run in

[golden plover]

Hell, I'm able to pick up 2 new decks. One is the two kings group hug, the other is cedh Tivit with a few cards cut to put in the voting matters cards

[hidden ermine]

The big one was limited/draft

Followed by modern

[sleek ferry]

Well, we have baseline cedh lists, you yourself should know if your deck is a cedh deck

[golden plover]

Both are fully optimized, but I'd really only take one to a cedh table

And even then, I'll probably still just play Elsha

[sleek ferry]

Yeah, I’m not bringing a cedh deck to locals

[golden plover]

I bring Elsha and Ghen with me because I love the decks and sometimes I get a chance to pull them out

[rigid scarab]

I have seen some people bring their max opt deck to a table

[golden plover]

But I'm teaching more friends cedh stuff here so I can actually play more cedh

[rigid scarab]

And then pin the blame on everyone else when they win for their decks not being optimised enough

I think that's the sort of player the uninitiated think when they think 'cedh'

Just sweats

[golden plover]

And again, I really don't care at the end of the day, because I'll see people pull out legit beta cards at a table and complain about proxies

Also, cedh gets thrown around too much as a buzzword

[sleek ferry]

Well sweats are sadly a part of every tcg/game ever

[golden plover]

Anything I lose to is cedh

[sleek ferry]

All we can do is alienate those people

[rigid scarab]

IMO I don't think a deck is made objectively more fun if you fully optimise it

Because if you want to optimise it fully

[golden plover]

I've had shit like unmodified heads I win called cedh because it wins in a single turn

[rigid scarab]

Like half your deck has already been made for you

In the form of staples

[sleek ferry]

Well like detective said, cedh is thrown around as a buzzword nowadays

[modern minnow]

how many commander players do you think have never meaningfully played a form of 1v1 tcg

[rigid scarab]

So fucking many

[sleek ferry]

Over 50%

[golden plover]

That's an issue with any card game

[rigid scarab]

I'm going to kill you.

[modern minnow]

yeah thats fair

[golden plover]

Yeah too many

[sleek ferry]

The weirdest shit to me

Is 1v1 commander

Like that shit doesn’t even sound fun

[modern minnow]

is there inherently anything wrong with it

[rigid scarab]

Eh?

Just means that the playerbase is divided

In the same way of like

Smash players

[hidden ermine]

Not really?

As I said, mono-format players exist already

[strong quartz]

So this dude looks like an affinity card right?

[hidden ermine]

There are players in magic who have never touched a constructed format

[rigid scarab]

But at least you can call every format that isn't commander 'competitive'

Commander was made with the opposite intent

[languid quest]

I have played some 1v1 EDH games and it hasn't been as fun as proper multiplayer EDH games

[hidden ermine]

Ehhhh

I mean on paper yeah

[golden plover]

Yeah 1v1 is weird, but I get it

[hidden ermine]

But stuff like cube draft is technically a format

And definitely not competitive

[rigid scarab]

Tbf, I have some people play a Jodah deck that they SWEAR is totally different from the other Jodah decks and just plays weird jank

And then they play Omniscience

[golden plover]

I mean, Jodah is already sorta janky

[languid quest]

does everything even need to be competitive

[golden plover]

Well depends on the Jodah

Neither are crazy, but new Jodah is definitely better

[sleek ferry]

I do think if you’ve never played any format besides commander, you shouldn’t really be having non commander convos about magic. Only because your views are skewed towards what you yourself think is strong in a format that’s vastly different from constructed

[granite badge]

tbh this feels like a issue across games

[rigid scarab]

Or they play a deck that "Never pops off this early"

[golden plover]

It does

[granite badge]

salt posts are the worst

[rigid scarab]

When it's Kaalia

[golden plover]

Anything that's better than me is trying too hard

[granite badge]

"omg guys Blue Eyes meta please ban"

[modern minnow]

i've only ever seen this on twitter

[golden plover]

And anything I beat was a fair win

[languid quest]

like I get that there are people that enjoy competitive formats most but there are also people like me that don't

[lusty trench]

Honestly if you're complaining about something that isn't a like turn 2 consistent win in commander what are you doing

[hidden ermine]

Oh most people are casual

Magic has estimated 80% of their playerbase is casual

[sleek ferry]

I think that’s an issue in itself though

[rigid scarab]

I wanna see a "Commander player rates 1v1 cards"

[copper pecan]

most people in any card game are casual

[hidden ermine]

Yeah

Its not an inherently competitive genre

[golden plover]

Just look at reddit on any reveal

Hell, look at Sheldon rating norn

[sleek ferry]

People say “consistent turn 2 wins” but legitly most cedh games don’t end till t4

[golden plover]

God that will never not be the funniest thing

[rigid scarab]

I think they say that as in

[lusty trench]

I say consistent turn 2 wins as players generally don't run the interaction to stop it

[rigid scarab]

The decks have a real chance to win by turn 2 if uninterrupted

[golden plover]

You reminded me of my favorite new cedh meme btw. [[Angel's Grace]] in response to their Thoracle resolving

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/4/angels-grace

Angel's Grace <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
You can't lose the game this turn and your opponents can't win the game this turn. Until end of turn, damage that would reduce your life total to less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.

[golden plover]

Gg your Thoracle lost you the game

[lusty trench]

Like if you're bringing a consistent turn 2 win versus people who want to play casual and usually win turn 5 to 10 uninterrupted

What are you doing

[copper pecan]

tbh the reason i don't like commander isn't because of it not being competitive or the politics or whatever, i just don't like how the high life total drastically limits what kind of decks can be viable

[rigid scarab]

I mean yeah sweats who don't read the room are always gonna be a problem

[golden plover]

Yeah true. Commander needs more tools for aggro and burn

[lusty trench]

Go play a game versus people that can afford the 0 mana answers

[rigid scarab]

I don't think any of us are promoting that

[hidden ermine]

I vibe with commander, I just dont play it very often

[golden plover]

But it's hard to make those tools without them breaking other formats

[copper pecan]

like, there being 4 players is already enough to make aggro decks bad, you don't need to make them even worse

[hidden ermine]

Then again I dont play magic in general very often nowadays

[languid quest]

that would require cheap burn that deals at least 5 dmg so it wont happen

[sleek ferry]

In the last 1.5-2 years the combat step has become way more important across all facets of commander

So aggro is legit

[golden plover]

I think the best burn card for commander recently has been the lizard

[lusty trench]

Aggro suffers from the visibility issue

[golden plover]

Combat feels better in commander now than it used to, yeah

[lusty trench]

Like it's a lot harder to tell if a player has game in hand Vs on field

[golden plover]

But it's still just combo city for the most part

It's also why stax is so good

[lusty trench]

And people answer what they see

[golden plover]

Stax fucks over combo

[lusty trench]

Not what they don't

[golden plover]

And people hate stax for no reason

[rigid scarab]

I know someone who enjoys commander through MLD and Stax

And when he realised that those things are shunned by the playerbase

He left for other formats

[golden plover]

Yeah, commander players are really shitty about stuff like stax

[lusty trench]

Stax is seen as not letting people play the game

[sleek ferry]

Stax is a necessity in commander imo. Like idk why it’s so common in tcg’s to hate on control strategies

[languid quest]

in a way stax in EDH are like floodgates in YGO, necessary evil

[lusty trench]

My answer for that is run more removal

[golden plover]

Stax is a super fair wincon tbh

[lusty trench]

[granite badge]

disagree tbh

I think they're fair in moderation

[golden plover]

Yeah, just remove the stax player from the table

[sleek ferry]

Also yeah, in commander you should be running mass removal anyways

[golden plover]

If they're dead, you're not getting staxed

[rigid scarab]

Just like combo players, Stax players can have the game won in the first few turns if uninterrupted

[golden plover]

Although I've lost games as the stax player because people have randomly killed me while I was the only thing holding back a combo

[rigid scarab]

Maralen Opp Agent

Is one of them

[lusty trench]

It's the viability issue again

They can see you're in a good spot

[golden plover]

Like cool, you get to take a turn, but now k'rrik kills everyone with an Aetherflux Reservoir

[rigid scarab]

That's just poor threat assessment

[sleek ferry]

Like in cedh, people usually have something ready in case blood moon gets put down

[lusty trench]

Okay that just sounds like your pod has a skill issue

[golden plover]

That game sucked because they could see k'rrik had the reservoir. I was the only one keeping him from finding citadel

Yeah, those guys were awful at threat assessment

Like my Teferi's Puzzle box and spirit of the labyrinth aren't hurting you

They're hurting k'rrik

[rigid scarab]

They're mildly annoying to me

So I'm killing you

[golden plover]

Exactly

[rigid scarab]

It's like people playing DnD when something goes wrong

Suddenly the DM is the problem player

[golden plover]

Luckily tho, I did a lot to teach the more competitive players threat assessment by the time I left that store

I remember playing one game with 2 regulars and a new guy later on, and I was on Elsha with top on board

They told the new guy to kill me because I was digging for helm

He apologized for doing it since it was only like t5 and I just told him "nah, you made the right move"

Either I did or the table did

[rigid scarab]

Early elimination happens a lot more in non cedh games

And it can kinda blow

If Monopoly has taught me anything

[golden plover]

In cedh games, it's par for the course

You need to kill the guy who is a turn off killing the table

[rigid scarab]

Yeah

[lusty trench]

Best removal is player removal

[rigid scarab]

But in cedh your usually sitting around doing nothing for what

[golden plover]

Exactly

[rigid scarab]

10 minutes?

Max?

[golden plover]

Pretty much

In non-cedh it can be like 30, which sucks

But yeah, if I'm close to top combo, I should probably be dead before I resolve it

[lusty trench]

The part that sucks most about casual edh is when you're all top decking

Or worse, everyone is top decking but one player

[golden plover]

True. See, I love simplified game states in card games

But in EDH, you're never topdecking in a simplified one

Unless like 5 board wipes have happened

[atomic harness]

just like me fr fr

[golden plover]

Holy shit

This art is amazing

[clever sun]

Yeah solid affinity shitter but not sure if there is room

[clever sun]

I was just about to come post this

lol

[golden plover]

The original is good, but it's also by he who shall not be named and I think this is way better

[lusty trench]

[golden plover]

Like this art is just crazy

[clever sun]

Somehow it makes Yawgmoth feel even creepier

[golden plover]

Man, getting new art for every Bradley card is kinda great. We've gotten some sick pieces out of it

[clever sun]

I know the figure in the center is Hanna

But sheeeesh

[rigid scarab]

What's this depicting?

[golden plover]

Yeah definitely. I think it's the sterile whiteness juxtaposing the wall of literal bodies

[rigid scarab]

Other than uh

Yawgmoth making a vile offering

[clever sun]

It's Urza and Gerrard

[golden plover]

Like the original art was just kinda "demons in hell"-ish

[clever sun]

And Yawgmoth trying to sway them into his side

[golden plover]

This is terrifying

[golden plover]

Yawgmoth tempting the weatherlight crew after Gerrard decapitated Urza

[rigid scarab]

Chase Stone W

[clever sun]

Well he wanted them to fight to the death and the offer was what was the reward for giving the other head

He wanted Urza to lose and was going to kill the winner anyways

Yawgmoth's phyrexia was true horror though

[rigid scarab]

Norn's phyrexia is just

Alien planet

[rigid scarab]

This is a mf sphere with bodies as walls

[golden plover]

Yeah this is what phyrexia should look like

[atomic harness]

is that old phyrexia

[clever sun]

Yes

I like the evolution Phyrexia went through but in the latest set, their body horror aspect was toned down

[sudden lava]

oh yeah more stuff got revealed today

[clever sun]

and I personally hate it

[golden plover]

Isn't this right after? Where Gerrard thought Yawgmoth was Hanna after he killed Urza

[clever sun]

Yes because he was trying to tempt Gerrard

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Cut-Short-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

[clever sun]

He was trying to tempt the winner

[atomic harness]

wanderer continues to be best girl I see

[clever sun]

He wanted the Powerstones

[golden plover]

It's right between [[Phyrexian Arena|APC]] and [[Jilt]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/apc/47/phyrexian-arena

Phyrexian Arena <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
An audience of one with the malice of thousands.

https://scryfall.com/card/apc/27/jilt

Jilt <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Return target creature to its owner's hand. If this spell was kicked, it deals 2 damage to another target creature.
"You're not my Hanna!" —Gerrard, to Yawgmoth

[sleek ferry]

Weird way to spell Kaya

[clever sun]

Yup

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Assimilate-Essence-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

[golden plover]

Man it even makes the arena way freakier than the old art

[lusty trench]

This is a really easy way to summarise the early lore lmao

[golden plover]

God it's such a good piece

[lusty trench]

Why did this happen?
They wanted the power stones

[sudden lava]

thats a nice counter spell

[atomic harness]

the mightstone and weakstone got me acting unwise

[clever sun]

They were old Thran tech

[sleek ferry]

The mightstone and weak stone got you acting mid

[lusty trench]

Mishra, Urza and yawgmoth collectively

[clever sun]

and the Thran too

It was in part, their downfall

[sudden lava]

New beeg feesh

[lusty trench]

Me when I want the stones so bad that I used my cereal bowl to absolutely ruin my plane

[clever sun]

I do find it funny, and interesting, that Dominaria had an ancient scientifically and magically advanced civilization not once but twice

[lusty trench]

Urza when questioned about the ungodly muscular looking people stuck in vats in his lab

[clever sun]

Pretty sure he outright admitted to his unethical experiments

He just didn't care

He was the prince consort of Kroog

[lusty trench]

Oh absolutely I just forgo'd that cause meme

[clever sun]

He had all the money in the world and all that kingdom's power

[languid quest]

he wanted his own version of angels that Serra had created

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Trailblazing-Historian-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

[clever sun]

Serra told him no but he didn't take no for an answer

[languid quest]

and who knows how Serra created angels

[sudden lava]

Strixhaven card

[clever sun]

She used her mastery in white mana

And her old-planeswalker abilities

All angels are artificial beings

I think besides maybe Kaladesh and Kaldheim, all Angels come from Serra

Avacyn is also an exception

Sorin made her (again with pre-mending White mana abilities)

[sudden lava]

😮 new frog?

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Halo-Hopper-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler-1.png

[lusty trench]

I like how sorrin is just kinda vibing throughout this entire situation

Probably wine in hand, brooding over a balcony

[clever sun]

He warned Ludevic about the invasion

So he is likely involved in the fighting

[lusty trench]

Sad we didn't get to see a phyrexian nahiri Vs sorrin matchup

[golden plover]

I like how innistrad really just didn't care

Gisa and Geralf had a blast

They had the best side story from any of these tbh

[clever sun]

That place already got invaded by something more horrifying and yet their constant existence in Innistrad is fear

[lusty trench]

It really do just be another Tuesday there

[golden plover]

Just them mailing each other about their new super zombies

[clever sun]

So like what do they care about yet another new invasion?

[clever sun]

I did really like it lol

Innistrad zombies are just built different for some reason

Phyrexians can't turn them, the zombies in-turn, fight more vicariously and the three most notable necromancers are all incredibly powerful

I like the difference in expression between all of them

[lusty trench]

I think it's cause people like Liliana focus on quantity, gisa and Geralf care about quality

[clever sun]

Glissa is very centered in black mana so her creations are brutish and more simplified

Geralf is an artist and a stitcher

so he is centered in Blue

And Ludevic is Izzet so his mad scientist approach is... electrifying

[sleek ferry]

Marisol, what do I add to rakdos anvil to bring it up to the current set

[golden plover]

So I was looking through what notable Bradley cards still need new art because of this

Apparently history of benalia has one?

It's just magic online only

[clever sun]

It'll get reprinted with this art in the future

[clever sun]

What do you have right now

[golden plover]

The rest of this cycle still need one. Hopefully the new Karn's sundering is as good as the original

[sleek ferry]

Land cycle I’m less worried about till I get to plat+

I also wouldn’t be opposed to making this jund, only issue is mana base + lack of wild cards

[clever sun]

I was just about to say...

Jund isn't a bad option

Either way it is a lot of wildcards though

Rakdos wants [[Vraan Executioner Thane]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/114/vraan-executioner-thane

Vraan, Executioner Thane <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Vampire
Whenever one or more other creatures you control die, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. This ability triggers only once each turn.
"Soon enough each praetor will have hired me to kill the others, and I will stand alone as the true Father of Machines."
2/2

[clever sun]

3-4 copies

Braids (2-3 copies)

and 2-3 copies of [[Solphim Mayhem Dominus]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus

Solphim, Mayhem Dominus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
, Discard two cards: Put an indestructible counter on Solphim, Mayhem Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
5/4

[clever sun]

Jund needs Gala Greeters and Teething Wurmlet

And Jund mana which to be fair, is a better investment for other formats

You will use Copperline Gorge, Blackcleave Cliffs, Llanowar Wastes, Karplusan Forest, and Sulfurous Springs in Pioneer and Historic for example

[atomic harness]

can I still dick around w rdw if I ever wanna play standard again
kumano and friends

[fallow citrus]

lmfao literally "I'm behind 7 layers of proxies"

[clever sun]

Yes

[sleek ferry]

I have braids luckily, so I think I have just enough to make rakdos work

[clever sun]

LMAO

WAIT THAT'S A REALLY NUTTY BOGLE

They don't print low mana hexproofers

Let alone one that gives Hexproof to others even for a turn

[golden plover]

Yo and she has flash

[sleek ferry]

Well she’s going to be obnoxious

[golden plover]

That's a crazy common

[clever sun]

weird 2 mana 2/2

[hidden ermine]

Who was bradley again, the artist that turned out be an anti-vax idiot?

[clever sun]

Noah Bradley self-admitted to sexual assault

[sleek ferry]

Alright, rocking this for now, need 1 more rare wild card for 1 more copy of vraan, but 2 should be enough for now

[clever sun]

trying to garner sympathy points. Unfortunately, his victims spoke out and it wasn't a single incident and he only came clean cus he was about to get exposed

[sudden lava]

urn of godfire looks really bad

[clever sun]

I'd cut Fleshgorger and Bladecoil

[sudden lava]

https://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Urn-of-Godfire-March-of-the-Machine-Spoiler.png

[sleek ferry]

Yeah? Is it because of how mana intensive they are?

[clever sun]

Yep

[sudden lava]

2 mana to add 1 of any color

[clever sun]

It's a limited card

[golden plover]

Bradley was the sex creep, seb McKinnon was the anti-vax idiot

[hidden ermine]

Ah, right

[sudden lava]

the flash equipment are interesting

[lusty trench]

HES BACK

[golden plover]

This art is kinda... Bad?

Like viko menezes has made really good art

So it's weird

This is a commander reprint of the war card

But yeah, Viko has made some great art

[lusty trench]

Yeah NGL this take on goblins is not one I like

[golden plover]

Dunno what happened here

This one is awesome

[lusty trench]

Kinda looks like a bunch of yodas with no noses

[golden plover]

This one too

Yeah, I don't get it

[lusty trench]

I think zendikarian goblins are my favourite take on goblins in anything ever

[golden plover]

Yeah they're really cool

Better than this mobile game ass goblin

[hidden ermine]

Oh Capenna has trains?

[lusty trench]

Capenna is like 1930-40s ish I think?

[subtle sierra]

they have trams/trains

[hidden ermine]

Nice

[clever sun]

I wonder how Fynn feels that Tyvar killed Koma

[sleek ferry]

Probably the same way we all feel about Tyvar

[golden plover]

Yo this Teysa art fucks

[sleek ferry]

Fuck tyvar

[golden plover]

Nah, Tyvar is sick

He's the best walker rn

[sleek ferry]

Ain’t he dead?

[golden plover]

Nah, Tyvar is alive

This Juri is cool too

Why'd they double down on giving bad Radha arts

This Radha literally already had a stained glass art

[twilit canyon]

i like the new one better

[golden plover]

Yeah I think it's nicer, but I just don't get why they didn't give it to a different Radha

[[Radha, Heart of Keld]] would have been a good pick

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/224/radha-heart-of-keld

Radha, Heart of Keld <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
As long as it's your turn, Radha, Heart of Keld has first strike.
You may look at the top card of your library any time, and you may play lands from the top of your library.
: Radha gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of lands you control.
3/3

[twilit canyon]

wrenn's resolve is great

[trail anvil]

functional reprint of that other impulse draw

[trail anvil]

this having convoke sounds real nasty in limited, tapping out and pretending you don't have a combat trick

[granite badge]

this flavor text goes hard tbh

[lusty trench]

Wrenns resolve seems pretty goooood

[golden plover]

Now this one fucks

[copper pecan]

they used this art for the version of the card that's in raddic's spellbook in arena

[golden plover]

Gotcha

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-image-gallery/march-of-the-machine-multiverse-legends?k

Full list

Outside of like Atraxa and Ragavan, not much of note

And a few cards got prints in a style they already had??

[languid quest]

wait a minute? from exile as well? that does have potential even if not same way as [[squee goblin nabot]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/c19/152/squee-goblin-nabob

Squee, Goblin Nabob <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return Squee, Goblin Nabob from your graveyard to your hand.
"Some goblins are expendable. Some are impossible to get rid of. But he's both—at the same time!" —Starke
1/1

[golden plover]

Gotta be the weakest bonus sheet yet

[golden plover]

He's a Dominara card, we've already seen it. But yeah, he's cool

[zinc shard]

I love the idea that he has to put in extra effort to fly

[sudden lava]

cuz he fat

https://preview.redd.it/xyd294a1q4sa1.jpeg?width=624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=064d9648d237d3dddc051d0c63d390ecdb1280ca

[twilit canyon]

squee the immortal is not new

hes also the trio to the cfe's

and arguably one of the most important ones

since he costs red

[lusty trench]

Pod just said I can use Baral and Kari Zev early as my commander

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1093277381843750912/image0.jpg

[trail anvil]

does anyone have a budget list for this week's MWM?

nvm time to throw together a jank esper control list

[zinc shard]

Take the starter werewolf deck and add 4 Immerwolf

[twilit canyon]

i can hit u up

1 se

c

@trail anvil how many rare spirits do u have on hand

[trail anvil]

I'm good I got a list

and the answer is none

[twilit canyon]

ah ok

[trail anvil]

killing through a planeswalker emblem is so satisfying

[twilit canyon]

incredibly easy 3-0

[lusty trench]

Jesus that's certainly a deck

playing izzet
Monstrously based

[sudden lava]

😮 FEESH

[sleek ferry]

That deck looks sick

[lusty trench]

After testing Baral and Kari as commanders

They're fine but they demand good card advantage spells

[fallow citrus]

good thing there are a lot of those in izzet

[lusty trench]

Ye

[sudden lava]

I had a meme idea, but then I realized the meme was expensive

[fallow citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH_tRmEPBAs
yt really just recommending me formats now

[trail anvil]

is anyone else just kinda not super excited by MOM release? like battles look fun to try but a lot of the cards just haven't caught my eye

I'd get into all the aristocrat or blink support if I felt like they were better supported previously lol

it feels like we're sorely missing something like an eyetwitch/shambling ghast for a cheap body

[sleek ferry]

I can see that tbh

I think the sealed experience will be great

I just dk the impact the set will have on the meta

[trail anvil]

some cards kinda felt like they were destined for brawl/commander, especially the pair-up legendaries

it's cool to have new commanders, it's just a shame that means there's probably less stuff to experiment with in standard

some of the pair-ups will probably be standard playable though

inga and esika looks super fun with tokens

[golden plover]

Yeah MoM feels kinda meh

[twilit canyon]

yea and it makes sense

[golden plover]

There's a couple cool cards, especially in the edh decks

[twilit canyon]

they have been ensuring things dont get crazy

cus standard is already super strong

[hidden ermine]

Maybe they were afraid of pulling a WAR again

[twilit canyon]

the most exciting thing here is that ragavan is probably gonna be legal in historic

[golden plover]

Today I've been dissapointed at the Multiverse Legends sheet

I dunno how they managed to fuck up the bonus sheet

But damn

[twilit canyon]

idt its bad

its just mid

[golden plover]

I mean Atraxa and Ragavan are nice

But 75% of the sheet is meh

[twilit canyon]

its all casual stuff for edh

which tbf is good

[golden plover]

And about 50% of the sheet already got prints recently, especially in the same art style

Like constellation daxos? We just got that

Stained glass rona?

We already have one

I guess they could have at least done the other Rona and Radha

[twilit canyon]

yea thats the worst part

ok but the other rona and radha are significantly worse cards

[golden plover]

They could have picked [[Radha, Heir to Keld]] at least

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/259/radha-heir-to-keld

Radha, Heir to Keld <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
Whenever Radha, Heir to Keld attacks, you may add .
: Add .
"Run home, cur. I've already taken your master's head. Don't make me thrash you with it."
2/2

[golden plover]

She's an uncommon now

Or like Halar or whatever

[twilit canyon]

ok but she sucks

[golden plover]

She does, but she's better than Domain Radha

[trail anvil]

it's less the strength and more just cards I'm less interested in

[golden plover]

Who ALREADY had a stained glass style

[trail anvil]

but yeah it's also probably not a very strong set

[golden plover]

There's a few edh standouts tho

But most of the set sucks

And the edh standouts are commander deck only

[trail anvil]

most of the cards I would be interested in are creature centric, even battles are

[twilit canyon]

they are def pushing even control to be creature-heavy

granted that was how control was in the psat

*past

but this time they are more committed to making walkers suck and creatures to matter

[golden plover]

Dance with Calamity, the Demon, Teshar, and like 2 other cards seem cool

I'm personally interested in trying [[Hedron Detonator]] in Elsha

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/31/hedron-detonator

Hedron Detonator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Artificer
Whenever an artifact enters the battlefield under your control, Hedron Detonator deals 1 damage to target opponent.
, Sacrifice two artifacts: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
"Compleat this!"
2/3

[golden plover]

But I think it's probably worse than [[reckless fireweaver]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/126/reckless-fireweaver

Reckless Fireweaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever an artifact enters the battlefield under your control, Reckless Fireweaver deals 1 damage to each opponent.
Architects find inspiration in the dragon's beauty of form, while artificers are influenced by the function of its fire.
1/3

[twilit canyon]

slightly better in an small way

[lusty trench]

I'll happily take a second fireweaver

[golden plover]

I'm tempted to say same

But... Elsha wants as few creatures as possible

I'm down to 10 and I'm not sure I wanna justify 11

[twilit canyon]

you only need 1

[golden plover]

I'll probably run detonator in place of [[Vexilus Praetor]] for a little bit

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/19/vexilus-praetor

Vexilus Praetor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Custodes Warrior
Flash
Vigilance
Aegis of the Emperor — Commanders you control have protection from everything.
There is no greater bulwark than the Praetors of the Adeptus Custodes, the bodyguards of the Emperor of Mankind.
3/4

[twilit canyon]

1 fireweaver effect at least

[golden plover]

Yeah I might run it in place of praetor for a little bit I bet it won't last

Elsha wants as few creatures as possible with the exceptions of stuff like Sentinel, Spellweaver, Birgi, Fireweaver, and a couple other creatures that win you the game

[trail anvil]

I'm fine with walkers sucking, I'd just prefer the option for less creature heavy in general

[golden plover]

I'm sure this limited will be way better than ONE at least

[sleek ferry]

Misty does make a good point though

Standard has been pretty high powered

Even with that, we have some crazy amount of variety in the form of meta decks

[twilit canyon]

wotc jesse gave us a super cool breakdown on the making of the april fools gameboard

[sleek ferry]

Getting the full mtg experience today

Ate 5 straight counter spells

Got red aggro’d

[glad peak]

You got counterspelled 5 times then got killed by red?

That doesn’t seem like aggro