Magic the Gathering

[fallow citrus]

how many times it's been attacked

and not toughness

[copper pecan]

i think it's toughness

[fallow citrus]

well we'll find out when the official stuff drops

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-9-the-old-sins-of-new-phyrexia

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-10-the-rhythms-of-life

||REST IN PISS BOZO||

[lusty trench]

Gottem

[strong quartz]

I can't believe ||they did the lock the bad guys up in hard to reach place for the third time already||

[golden plover]

Wow the battle cards really are... Just enchantments you can attack...

[fallow citrus]

they have a formula they stick to at least

[golden plover]

Wait Atraxa really died yesterday???

[hidden ermine]

Battles ... dont feel worth making a card type for

[golden plover]

Wow what a waste of character development

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much. They're just enchantments you can attack tbh

[fallow citrus]

Yeah they just dropped a building on her head

[golden plover]

Yeah, but like... She should have gotten more of a send off...

They had the whole bit where she was starting to think about maybe phyrexia wasn't that good

And then she's just dead

Not even a final line of dialogue

Tbf, Jin also just got bodied by a nameless soldier

These kills kinda suck

[fallow citrus]

Yeah this is a pretty messy ending

[golden plover]

Oh and ||they just undid everything to no ones surprise...||

Very cool the status quo actively cannot change

They gotta stop doing big multiverse threats if they're just gonna undo everything||and seal the threat off for later|| right after

[fallow citrus]

jace and vraska still missing though

[golden plover]

Yeah, but it's heavily implied Vraska is no longer compleated

I'm sure they'll leave Jace missing for like a year or so and then he'll come back as a villain/have an arc about reversing his compleation

It really sucks that nothing ends up mattering in the magic lore

What happened to Jace's "secret mission"

We literally never heard about it

[lusty trench]

What's the named death total?

[golden plover]

Let's see:
-Sheoldred
-Urabrask
-Lukka
-Tibalt
-Heliod
-Anhelo
-Atraxa
-Jin-Gitaxis
-Elesh Norn
-Melira
(not counting Wrenn because it's clear they'll bring her back)

10

12 if you count the Kenriths from their card shown in aftermath

[sudden lava]

huh, battle is interesting

[golden plover]

So yeah, for a whole multiverse invasion, it's basically nothing

[sudden lava]

so how exactly do we defeat the siege?

[lusty trench]

What's err

Whats vorinclex up to

[sudden lava]

I know we can attack it

but is it like you must hit it 3 total times or what?

[golden plover]

Oh wait Vorinclex is probably dead

But he's also sealed off in phyrexia that they put on ice in case they run out of money and need to bring old villains back again

[lusty trench]

"somehow, yawgmoth returned"

[golden plover]

Man what happened to "this will change the multiverse forever"

[lusty trench]

I assume the realmbreaker is dead?

[golden plover]

Wrenn used it to bring Zhalfir back, then replace it with Phyrexia and it's trapped in the blind eternities, so mostly

It's left in a way that could theoretically be used to get it back when they feel like it

[lusty trench]

I mean theros is now a better place to live so?

That's something?

[golden plover]

Oh and Ajani and Nissa are now uncompleated

[lusty trench]

[sudden lava]

effectively its explosive vegetation also

[fallow citrus]

zhalfir being back is really cool

[sudden lava]

https://product-images.tcgplayer.com/fit-in/874x874/96732.jpg

[fallow citrus]

because it means they can do a set or two on there

[sudden lava]

though now explosive is the weaker version

[golden plover]

Yeah Zhalfir being back is the one neat thing from all of this

[atomic harness]

whatever happened to bamiyo?

[sudden lava]

I missed a lot of the D&D direct, so gonna rewatch but I skimmed and yep as I saw coming

Officially revealed now

[golden plover]

She died, but she left behind a spirit thing that's just locked to Kamigawa

[atomic harness]

understandable

I didnt see her in the named death total so was curious

[golden plover]

She was technically one, but not really

[trail anvil]

I feel like while battles might just be other card types you can attack, there might be some decent design space in there

[golden plover]

Yeah I guess so. I just feel like they're not bringing a ton to the table

[trail anvil]

well keep in mind this first one is an uncommon

I wonder if others might be more mechanically complex

[strong quartz]

Head chopped off

[golden plover]

Oh yeah, he's probably dead then

[strong quartz]

Also I'm gonna do the hot guess of there being a red 2 mana battle with 2 HP that's gonna pass everyone off

[golden plover]

What happened to the "all those guys from the multiverse showing up" thing that's on the pack art?

That never happened

[trail anvil]

worth noting btw apparently it casts when it transforms

so you can counter it ig

[atomic harness]

when you dont wanna deal w the new mechnic

just counter target spell babyee

[golden plover]

I wonder if this is [[Anguished Unmaking]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/170/anguished-unmaking

Anguished Unmaking <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Exile target nonland permanent. You lose 3 life.
Sorin had created Avacyn, so it was a cruelty beyond imagining, a pain beyond description, that it fell upon him to end her forever.

[golden plover]

Since Karn is a pacifist and he made Norn

[sudden lava]

I like how it lets other players attack it, cuz commander :3

emphasis on players, plural

[twilit canyon]

almost every plane touched by phyrexia now know that there are other planes

they even got a lot of angels spread out to planes where no angels existed for example

phyrexian oil is still as corrupting as ever and while inactive, it never needed a host like norn to permanently change its surroundings

so it will still need to be cleaned

and not to mention we have both recovered an entire location into its own plane but have created some big rammifications to what doing so entails

zhalfir was always a part of dominaria and now is its own plane where mirrodin was. it even kept the 5 suns.

now i wonder. will zhalfir still be connected to dominaria in some capacity?

will new capenna keep its ability to send angels throughout the multiverse? now with newly awakened angels the hierarchy of the city and plane will change for sure

ixalan lost an elder dino but gained angels. how will they respond to the encroaching vampires

[copper pecan]

like 30 different named characters died

[twilit canyon]

ravnica probably comes out of this relatively unaffected. they didnt really care about huge invasions they are used to it

but the azorius senate was dismantled the golgari were all compleated and the simic and izzet seem as reckless as ever about the phyrexian oil

kamigawa had a lot of kami die during the invasion as well

this set feels how war should have ended. there was actual consequence throughout the multiverse and we lost a good chunk of planeswalkers

tibalt
tamiyo
karn (no spark)
jace
vraska (no guarantee that either will be good or be found alive next)

[hidden ermine]

My biggest issue is how many were unceremoniously killed

Like some were offscreened, some died without getting any character moment

[twilit canyon]

yea that happens in war

we will see when the set drops

[hidden ermine]

Thats the thing though, hardly anyone died in battle

[twilit canyon]

thats not true we saw and heard of a ton of casualties in battle across all planes

[hidden ermine]

Urabrask got captured and killed because ... im not sure what narrative purpose that had actually

[twilit canyon]

norn exerting control over all the spheres

[hidden ermine]

It all feels very Countdown

[twilit canyon]

urabrask did incite a rebellion over her with sheoldred

also saheeli's theory is wrong that norn was the focal point to controlling phyrexia since jin-gitaxias was all too happy to overthrow her when she became less useful

if there is an overarching continual villain that may be worth keeping an eye on it will be jin

maybe jace

[hidden ermine]

Like the deaths give me the vibe of "we just wanted shock value". The fact that they didn't commit to destroying Phyrexia permanently is also disappointing

[twilit canyon]

the nuclear option isnt a good one

not only from a story perspective, they went over why it would be a bad idea to fire the sylex in the last story

[hidden ermine]

Phasing it out just suggests to me that they want to bring back Phyrexia again

[twilit canyon]

maybe

[hidden ermine]

Or at least keep the option open

[twilit canyon]

but what is a phyrexia without norn controlling it?

we know that not all phyrexians craved a unified reality

urabrask a good example

[languid quest]

agreed

it's not good writing

[twilit canyon]

there is a ton of possibilities for a phyrexia without a tyrannical overlord

[hidden ermine]

... the original Phyrexia didn't have Norn did it?

[twilit canyon]

no but it also had

a tyrant

[hidden ermine]

Im pretty sure that was somewhere around New phyrexia

[twilit canyon]

yawgmoth was in control

[hidden ermine]

Yeah but then he got axed, and Phyrexia still took over and functionally destroyed mirrodin

[golden plover]

Definitely

[hidden ermine]

Its dangerous innerently

Its a contagion, essentially

[golden plover]

This is the third time they've iced a villain so they can bring them back when they wanna make money

[languid quest]

Norn herself has broken principles of Phyrexia by becoming individual

[golden plover]

Like norn is dead, but they can bring back phyrexia when it's money time

[twilit canyon]

but thats not unprecedented

[golden plover]

It sucks there can't be any real stakes or resolution to any of these stories

[twilit canyon]

the great furnace was really individual

[twilit canyon]

wym no stakes

a ton of things actually just changed and people died

[languid quest]

honestly MtG fiction has become worse and worse

[twilit canyon]

every single plane now knows that there are other worlds en masse

planeswalking and other worlds was very much hidden to the populations

phyrexians proved they can cross it and organics

[hidden ermine]

The problem there is it was hidden mostly on planes that are small or haven't appeared yet

Pretty much every major recurring plane already knew about that

[twilit canyon]

no it wasnt

not the entire population

besides ravnica

and dominaria

but dominaria forgot

[golden plover]

Outside of like Melira and the Praetors, none of the deaths were really relevant characters

[twilit canyon]

its one thing for our story characters and important people to know

[golden plover]

Tamiyo, Ajani, and Nissa all got out of it free

[twilit canyon]

and another for an entire plane to know

[twilit canyon]

not free

tamiyo can no longer planeswalk

ajani and nissa are now gonna have to both deal with mechanized bodies and with the fact they did all that they did

[hidden ermine]

And Arcavios. And Kaladesh. And innistrad the second time around. Zendikar too

[twilit canyon]

innistrad didnt know there was other planes until now

[languid quest]

Urabrask's death means that there is no hope to have Phyrexian splinter faction that lives in peace with Mirrodin survivors

[twilit canyon]

kaladesh had theories

[hidden ermine]

Theros is the only major plane where that wasn't widely known

Innistrad knew

[twilit canyon]

kaldheim didnt know there was more besides their spheres

where did innistrad know?

they knew of emrakul but thats it

when did the entire population of innistrad face off against another plane of existence and then consequently get angels from another plane sent to them?

[languid quest]

Norn tried to use same strategy every were and that strategy got countered so she had hissy fit

[twilit canyon]

this didnt just affect our protagonists and major characters is the difference. same with kaladesh

[hidden ermine]

By our return? Between Sorin, Nahiri, Emrakul and their whole kerfuffle, pretty much everyone knew

Kaladesh had the planar gate

[twilit canyon]

it was only a work in theory though

and only among societal elites who worked on it

[twilit canyon]

very unlikely some farmer in kessig knew what the fuck happened then

[golden plover]

We'll have to see if people knowing about other planes comes up, but it seems to be the only really relevant change

[hidden ermine]

It was already shown to practically work

[twilit canyon]

not for organics

[golden plover]

And it seems that most people wouldn't know about other planes. They'd just go "oh right, that time the weird guys came from that portal"

[twilit canyon]

that was the big thing

[hidden ermine]

Not for organics, sure

[twilit canyon]

phyrexians showed how organics could cross

[hidden ermine]

But the fact that other planes exist was known

[twilit canyon]

not by many

populations now know and a lot of them even have angels from another plane living among them

[hidden ermine]

Uh

The planar portal that became the bridge won the inventors fair

One of the most seen, most reported, and most important events in Kaladesh

People knew

[twilit canyon]

did the rebels outside know? especially given that their portal didnt even really take organics it also couldnt guarantee them that there was life or intelligence outside of kaladesh

[hidden ermine]

Hell, planar portals also used to exist pre-mending, and a few of our planes used to have them

Yes

[twilit canyon]

its one thing to know space exist

[hidden ermine]

Everyone on Kaladesh knee

[twilit canyon]

i highly doubt everyone

[hidden ermine]

As for the life question

Maybe not, but given Kaladeshs automata

[twilit canyon]

and its another thing to be invaded by an alien life form

[hidden ermine]

That would've been a matter of time

[twilit canyon]

kaladesh may have been in a position like how we are

[languid quest]

Rath having one was major plot point in Tempest block's story

[hidden ermine]

Also yknow

Rashmi joined the rebels

[twilit canyon]

that was pre-mending wasnt it. things changed

[hidden ermine]

(The inventor of said portal)

[twilit canyon]

there was no indication old portals worked at all

[hidden ermine]

Uhh, no I believe Rath was post-mending

[twilit canyon]

especially cus weatherlight couldnt

[languid quest]

Rath was pre-mending

[golden plover]

Also what ever happened to Atraxa growing more sentience, Jace's secret plan, and Nahiri's thing???

All three plot points were randomly dropped when they just killed Atraxa unceremoniously

[twilit canyon]

atraxa wasnt growing more sentience

she was growing more zealous and prejudiced against new capenna

[golden plover]

She stopped in the art museum and questioned the nature of phyrexia

[twilit canyon]

she didnt though?

[languid quest]

back when Gerrald and others went around on Weatherlight and Karn was part of that ship

[twilit canyon]

she questioned the beauty standards of capenna

and found it disgusting and destroyed it

[golden plover]

She also defied Norn's orders in the first place

Since Norn said to just destroy Capenna

[twilit canyon]

yes and it killed her

[golden plover]

But the point is that she shouldn't have been able to do that at all

[twilit canyon]

why not?

[hidden ermine]

Existing planar portals still work

Vorinclex used one in Kaldheim

Tezzeret one on Esper

And the Drownyard in Innistrad

I believe the caveat was that portals created by machinery stopped working

[twilit canyon]

we been knowing that the phyrexians are not a perfect hive mind

[golden plover]

Atraxa didn't have any form of sentience. She shouldn't have been able to defy norn

That was the whole point of the Ixhel side story

(but they didn't even bring that up either)

[twilit canyon]

that was the modified portal from tezzeret

he stole from kaladesh

[languid quest]

maybe Ixhel continues Atraxa's work

[golden plover]

But yeah, Jace's plan literally never happened

[twilit canyon]

ixhel questioned all of phyrexia in and of itself

[strong quartz]

Is Jace dead or MIA

[hidden ermine]

Was it revealed to be the planar Bridge?

[golden plover]

Ixhel was separate from the hive mind to an extent, that was the big thing with her

[twilit canyon]

yes

tezzeret brought the bridge to phyrexia in exchange for a darksteel body

[golden plover]

MIA, literally never mentioned after Norn told him to go do the secret mission

[hidden ermine]

Regardless, yeah, whole thing feels like Countdown

[strong quartz]

Realmbreaker was the only portal in modern times that allowed organics through

[golden plover]

He's assumed to be in the phyrexian coma somewhere like everyone else

But they didn't mention anything about it at all

[strong quartz]

Blind Eternities melt flesh

[twilit canyon]

there are still side stories to be released no?

[golden plover]

No, the side stories were used for the plane specific invasions this set

[twilit canyon]

and card art depicting events to be released

[languid quest]

that DC comic book story line? agreed

[twilit canyon]

then we are missing a lot

[strong quartz]

The kaladesh portal thing was only used with Eternals (no outside flesh) and the prateors (flesh melted)

[hidden ermine]

Aye that's the one

Also did they forget about Tezzeret?

[twilit canyon]

no

[golden plover]

Yeah there's a ton of random stuff that just wasn't touched on

[strong quartz]

We also have the aftermath set

[twilit canyon]

he went to alara

and joined the fight against phyrexia there

[golden plover]

I'm sure we'll see Tezzeret again

Theyre seemingly setting him up as the next main bad guy

[twilit canyon]

not directly but by warning about weaknesses

and yeah maybe

[strong quartz]

Honestly feel like Tezz is going to chill

[languid quest]

lol Tezzeret must had been some were just chilling and waiting war to pass by

[twilit canyon]

tezzeret now has an indestructible body

[golden plover]

But fr tho, they gotta stop doing multiverse ending threats if they keep getting resolved like this

Just focus on some minor villains and whatnot and have the stakes be "oh they're gonna fuck up Zendikar" or whatever

[twilit canyon]

parry did mention there is still an aftermath set to conclude this

[languid quest]

Tezzeret seems to me like guy who thinks he is smarter than he really is and plays game that he will lose

[twilit canyon]

and also idk how ur not seeing that there is a ton of implications with this that change the way the multiverse will operate

this opens up a lot of different possible story lines

[golden plover]

The only thing that really came from it is that people know about other planes

[strong quartz]

AFAIK main things are

[golden plover]

And that's maybe a big deal, maybe not

[twilit canyon]

yea and that there is absolutely a way to send organic armies throughout

[strong quartz]

Eldraine has no working government

Theros lost like 3 to 4 gods

[golden plover]

Considering planes like Ravnica and Archavios already knew that

[twilit canyon]

ravnica didnt

the eternals were not organic

[strong quartz]

Well

[twilit canyon]

and bolas was a lone tyrant

[strong quartz]

Kinda

[twilit canyon]

what happens when say

alara's esper says

"hey we could have been invading other places besides alara?"

[golden plover]

They can't really do that tho

They need the world tree

[twilit canyon]

they can

[golden plover]

And it's only on Kaldheim

[twilit canyon]

phyrexia showed them they could

[strong quartz]

Tezz still has the planar portal

Iirc

[golden plover]

Tezz's portal destroys all organic matter

[strong quartz]

Also most of Esper is like 90%metal

[golden plover]

Vorinclex had to rebuild himself on Kaldheim

[twilit canyon]

and phyrexia was able to make it not do that

[golden plover]

That's because of the world tree, not Tezz's portal

[twilit canyon]

other great minds will figure ways

[hidden ermine]

Yeah they kinda removed the very avenue of change

[strong quartz]

Tezz is like the smartest dude in the lore

[golden plover]

And without already being able to move between planes and waiting literal hundreds of years, no one is gonna be able to make a world tree

[strong quartz]

And is probably going to conquer Esper now

[twilit canyon]

or if not for invasion, for salvation

[hidden ermine]

Were back to the status quo of interplanetary travel

[golden plover]

And there's no guarantee that making a world tree will take you where you wanna go if you're not phyrexia

[hidden ermine]

Interplanary travel?

[golden plover]

They needed Nissa's power to even make theirs work

[twilit canyon]

what happens when arlinn is sitting around talking about the travails or whatnot in innistrad and some izzet and simic scientists decide to make a new interplanar travel

[golden plover]

Anyone wanting to invade another plane needs a way to get to Kaldheim and get a world tree, and the power of Nissa

[twilit canyon]

and go to innistrad to save the plane or help the humans

[hidden ermine]

That would work out the same way it did in Kaladesh

[golden plover]

It doesn't seem like it's possible to really travel between planes still outside of walkers

[hidden ermine]

That method already was possible

[twilit canyon]

kaldheim isnt the only world tree and nissa isnt the only animist

[hidden ermine]

And Ravnica already knew about planes

[golden plover]

Kaldheim is the only tree we've seen

[hidden ermine]

Actually, isnt it?

[golden plover]

And sure, they could find another animist but that'd probably not be an easy task

[hidden ermine]

Far as I remember there is no indication other world trees exist

[golden plover]

It's not like alara can just decide to make a world tree tomorrow

[twilit canyon]

shes a dime a dozen on zendikar

[golden plover]

She's the only ascended animist tho

[twilit canyon]

we see animists everywhere

[golden plover]

The only one who can planeswalk and has that much power

[twilit canyon]

could be on other planes

as of yet unexplored

[golden plover]

I'm pretty sure the Kaldheim stories specifically mention it being the only one

There's a reason the phyrexians needed it in the first place

[hidden ermine]

Given its ties to norse myth

[twilit canyon]

a power rivaling the world tree in terms of unifying different realms is all that is required

[hidden ermine]

Id be shocked if it wasn't the only one

[golden plover]

Yeah but as of right now, there's nothing like the world tree

So there's really an incredibly low chance anyone else can use this idea to move between planes

[twilit canyon]

alara's maelstorm could be

[strong quartz]

Anyways, I can totally see Kaladesh or maybe new Cappena making a method to make portals to steal resources

[twilit canyon]

and its very likely this invasion sparked the idea into the minds of others

[golden plover]

I just can't see this having a huge impact that way

[sudden lava]

Im excited for the upcoming commander masters decks

[golden plover]

It largely didn't affect the status quo for interplanar travel

[sudden lava]

eldrazi and sliver precons 😄

[twilit canyon]

not directly but indirectly. the fact angels were able to be sent from new capenna elsewhere is a big thing

[golden plover]

Like sure, it's more known now, but everyone could have already made a weatherlight for the past 10 years if they wanted to travel between planes

[hidden ermine]

Kaladesh did more to impact interplanar travel

[twilit canyon]

no they couldnt

weatherlight couldnt travel the planes anymore

[sudden lava]

I wonder what the face commanders are gonna be

[twilit canyon]

a flying ship sure

a flying, plane-traveling ship? not so much

[strong quartz]

One kaladeshi made a planar portal and another made a plane destroying nuke

[hidden ermine]

I forgot what the second was

[strong quartz]

Sylex copy

[twilit canyon]

yes but this is also a strong point that interplanar travel is (probably) going to be very trivial in the future

plus im sure there will be some sort of effect of a ton of planes forcibly torn open

[strong quartz]

Kaladesh could make a plane invading war complex if they didn't love making machines for the art of it

[golden plover]

Oh yeah what was even the point of the Sylex?

It ended up not mattering at all lmao

[twilit canyon]

it awakened archangel elspeth

it otherwise would have nuked all of reality

[strong quartz]

Mending 2

[golden plover]

We don't even know if that was true or not tho

Jace said there was a CHANCE it did that

[twilit canyon]

basically it was telling us that urza was wrong for just nuking things

[strong quartz]

That or I think the Eldrazi will be reawakened?

[golden plover]

There was also a chance it could have only destroyed the world tree/phyrexia

[twilit canyon]

would you take that risk?

"this explosion may permanently damage or destroy every world connected to the tree"

"yeah sure fire away"

[hidden ermine]

I doubt interplanar travel will become possible for non-walkers, let alone trivial

[strong quartz]

There was a chance it spread onto the planes or break the fabric of reality

[hidden ermine]

If that was the angle they wanted

The worldtree would've stayed

[twilit canyon]

kaldheim's world tree is still around

we also havent really been told if all the portals closed

[golden plover]

Honestly, they should have taken the risk. The Sylex didn't even destroy all of Dominara

There's a very low chance it would have destroyed the entire everything

[twilit canyon]

i mean its easy for us to say bc we are just readers

[strong quartz]

It tore holes in space that would have destroyed reality

The immediate aftermath was an ice age and it eventually lead to the mending

[twilit canyon]

wasnt this sylex not just untested but more unstable too?

[strong quartz]

Probably

Saheeli made it from memory or something

[twilit canyon]

she still has the plans too iirc

so kaladesh just has nukes

[strong quartz]

Yeah like I said

They have an invasion war machine with their gearhulks, mechanized productions, portal tech and other shit

But like the general population is in it for the art

[twilit canyon]

all it takes is an ambitious enough villain

same deal in alara

ravnica tbh

lazav comes to mind

tezzeret

[strong quartz]

Kaladesh, Esper, Kamigawa, Ravnica, and technically Kaldhiem all have the ability

[twilit canyon]

yea for sure

[strong quartz]

In that order actually

[twilit canyon]

dominaria too in theory

[strong quartz]

First 2 already have the tech

Kamigawa is the most technologically advanced plane

Rav can figure it out by trial and error

Kaldheim has the magic done

[twilit canyon]

also from what we can tell, ravnica had clean up still being done for 2 days

for a city as big as ravnica, there def was things that happened

in the art for the kennriths royal funeral, we also know that there was still phyrexianized parts of the plane

[golden plover]

Where?

It's just a dark room

[twilit canyon]

the floor

[golden plover]

That's blood

[twilit canyon]

is it

it looks like norn's machine orthodoxy

its not as loose as blood is on white floors

[golden plover]

It's just blood on a castle floor

[twilit canyon]

it has shapes and follows patterbs

*patterns

[golden plover]

Not really? It looks like it's just cracks and blood tbh

[granite badge]

for something that I've been excited for since Kaldheim and the reveal of Phyrexians returning

they kinda dropped the ball on this tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah, this arc needed more time

But how would we have gotten our avengers endgame moments that way?

[granite badge]

at a conceptually level I liked what they were going for but there's so much they blundered with that it wraps around to being awful for me

[golden plover]

I like how the big avengers endgame ripoff moment on the box didn't even happen in the story

I'm sure it'll be on the art of some cards tho

[twilit canyon]

yes the story writing itself? pretty awful. some of the story threads to follow are interesting at least

[golden plover]

Watch them pull a new capenna again and the cards have an entirely different story lmao

[twilit canyon]

thats par for the course

[lusty trench]

That would be the blood draining into the cracks of the floor pattern

At least that's what I see

[hidden ermine]

... wait

If we get a new plane, are they gonna make it post-phyrexia

Or just make it so it wasnt invaded

[golden plover]

They'll probably just claim it didn't get invaded

[glad peak]

Honestly I think I’d be fine with one eminence card if it was:
WUBRG 1/1
Eminence: your lands can tap for 1 of any color

Not a value engine, designed to give budget players a fun build around to stop feelsbad games, and gives competitive players a potential lands control deck

[fallow citrus]

Isn't the "new" plane just going to be zhalfir

or is this a new new plane

[golden plover]

Yeah for now

I think Uno means if they introduce one in the near future

[fallow citrus]

Oh sure

probably post phyrexia I'd inagine

[golden plover]

They'll probably just pretend it somehow never got invaded

[fallow citrus]

it'd be cool to see like

[golden plover]

Just not have it show up

[fallow citrus]

here's a random phyrexian holdout in this place, or just some repurposed tech being used

[golden plover]

All the phyrexians don't work now tho

They needed the oil to be active and norn dying turned them all off

[lusty trench]

World's loudest windows shutdown noise

[fallow citrus]

okay then maybe just like

some people using phyrexian stuff as armour

[golden plover]

True, that could be cool

[lusty trench]

Imagine some group of people making a civilization around phyrexian tech not knowing the microsecond phyrexia gets up and running again they've all just doomed themselves

[golden plover]

@lusty trench body count for the invasion

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/124voj3/march_of_the_machine_body_count/

[hidden ermine]

Yeah my reasoning was like

If they make every new plane post-Phyrexia

Thatll get old soon

[fallow citrus]

Well yeah

well in the future they're doing underground ixalan right

that won't be very phyrexian

[lusty trench]

Imagine going spelunking in ixalan you find what seems to be a perfect fossil and then you dig it out and there's some phyrexian oil coating the other half lmao

If you mine out a polyraptors fossil do you get more?

[glad peak]

Oh hey mh2 was a time spiral set

Ixalan 2 is where we get mine collapse

[golden plover]

There was actually a random oil card from Ixalan in MH2

[glad peak]

Wait there was?

Oh right huh

I thought that was from one of the regular ixalan sets

[golden plover]

Or was it MH1?

Either way, they already have regular oil there

[sudden lava]

Im excited to see more battle cards

[golden plover]

[[Fountain of Ichor]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/223/fountain-of-ichor

Fountain of Ichor <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
: Fountain of Ichor becomes a 3/3 Dinosaur artifact creature until end of turn.
Sun Empire priests thought they were digging a well. What they tapped was something different entirely.

[golden plover]

MH 1

Because I remember people going "is that phyrexian oil?"

Forgetting how dinosaurs work

[fallow citrus]

ixalan oil barons when

[copper pecan]

i feel like there are probably enough planes in the multiverse that there would be at least a few that weren't invaded

according to the wanderer there are at least a hundred planes so i don't think that it's out of the question that the phyrexians didn't get all of them

[sudden lava]

idk what this is, but that's one heck of a creature type combination

Simic colors maybe?

[hidden ermine]

In theory yeah, but if every new plane we get wasnt invaded

Its gonna kinda sour the whole thing

[golden plover]

We know which one that is. They're gruul

[sudden lava]

OOH?

show

[lusty trench]

That's kogla and yidaro

[golden plover]

It's [[Yidaro]] and [[Kolga]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/141/yidaro-wandering-monster

Yidaro, Wandering Monster <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Turtle
Trample, haste
Cycling
When you cycle Yidaro, Wandering Monster, shuffle it into your library from your graveyard. If you've cycled a card named Yidaro, Wandering Monster four or more times this game, put it onto the battlefield from your graveyard instead. (Do this before you draw.)
8/8

No card found for “Kolga”

[golden plover]

[[Kogla]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/162/kogla-the-titan-ape

Kogla, the Titan Ape <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ape
When Kogla, the Titan Ape enters the battlefield, it fights up to one target creature you don't control.
Whenever Kogla attacks, destroy target artifact or enchantment defending player controls.
: Return target Human you control to its owner's hand. Kogla gains indestructible until end of turn.
7/6

[sudden lava]

😮 that makes sense yeah

[lusty trench]

King Kong and Gamera working together

[sudden lava]

also we're getting a new shark

[copper pecan]

very funny exchange about battle cards from another server i'm on

[hidden ermine]

Also having had more time to think about them

[sudden lava]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[hidden ermine]

... Battles are just less interesting locations from Eternal tbqh

[copper pecan]

aren't locations just planeswalkers

[hidden ermine]

Sorta not really?

Theyre kinda similar

The way they work is that you place a location on your board that can be attacked, when you place it and every turn after you automatically cast one of the remaining 3 spells on it, and once all 3 are cast you summon a specific unit

... I guess Battles are less interesting planeswalkers

[golden plover]

Yeah pretty much

Also the flavor of battle over environment feels weird

Like we already know there's gonna be some battle cards you give yourself you wanna defend

So why not just theme them after places?

[hidden ermine]

Its shocking that YGO manages to tell better stories with their lore archetypes without even having dedicated stories

And by better stories I mean "Exactly Abyss and Vendread"

[golden plover]

Lmao true

So battles are confirmed to take damage the same way walkers do

So if you bolt zendikar, you get the thing

And any target can include battles

Also, some battles will have sorceries on the back

[hidden ermine]

My one concern with battles is

... is there really enough design space to warrant a card type?

[copper pecan]

i'd say yes

there's probably around the same amount of design space as planeswalkers

[golden plover]

I guess there's enough, but it really doesn't feel like something we could see in every set

[hidden ermine]

Hm

Yeah thats the thing

Not every set fits for a battle

But I also personally feel there isnt as much design space?

[golden plover]

Like there's always creatures, there's always artifacts, there's always enchantments, and there's always spells

Yeah, I just don't see there being enough

[hidden ermine]

Although maybe Im wrong on that

Its the same play pattern, but thats not inherently an issue

[golden plover]

My issue is how do you theme more than 1-2 battles a set

Like how many massive fights are happening per plane

It would have been way better to theme them after just places

But I guess they had to be distinct from lands

[hidden ermine]

Oh idk

Locations would've been cool

Or "Monument"

[golden plover]

Yeah, I think that would fit better

[trail anvil]

I mean, 1-2 battles a set sounds a lot like how many planeswalkers we used to get per set before wizards started going ham on them

I'm sure you can include minor scuffles as lower rarity battles too

[trail anvil]

some of these having sorceries on the back already says to me there's a decent amount of design space and that sounds pretty cool, what I'm wondering is are they restricted by the casting window

[copper pecan]

battles are sorcery speed if that's what you're asking

if you're asking about the back side, that's a triggered effect that lets you cast it so that isn't affected by the casting window

[trail anvil]

no like

battles flip when you kill them, so you have to design around them triggering when you kill them

[copper pecan]

oh

[trail anvil]

so it can't be something like a counterspell or another conditional spell

[twilit canyon]

yeah itd be pretty cool

battle that becomes a counter spell

[languid quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbJRNduW6yY&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1090369048384127007/Screenshot_20230328-210127.png

[clever sun]

I'm honestly a bit surprised at how the story went but genuinely, it could have been much worse

Guess we will see how Aftermath ties some loose ends here and there

Anyhow on to the more important part of Magic

Casting Death's Shadow

Mana is way smoother

Collective Brutality is a card I might play over some of the side removal spells but that's really it with the deck for now

We wait for fetch lands

[strong quartz]

did the story ever mention all the realmbreaker portals closing

[copper pecan]

i don't think so

i'd imagine they'll explain what happened with those in aftermath

here's the real question: if you somehow turn a battle you control into a creature, can it attack itself?

[twilit canyon]

idt so

[sleek ferry]

Started playing arena again

Got phyrexian obliterated

Next game I lost to poison counters on 3rd rotation

[lusty trench]

Mfw red can lightning bolt the battles

[twilit canyon]

this sealed deck felt like a constructed deck at times

apparently im getting confused for a content creator?

a streamer

mystmin

i can see why

[sudden lava]

are you

[golden plover]

So according to polygon, we're not getting UW versions of the DnD lair....

That sucks. I liked some of the concepts but didn't wanna play with Chris Pine or Hugh Grant in my deck

[atomic harness]

you're the best one kid

[sudden lava]

Just Orica them in casual matches

[sudden lava]

so we're expecting more reveals for Battle tomorrow?

[trail anvil]

why is this how you're building nissa steward 🤡

just beat them down with my commander cause they never established board presence lmao

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931305913829195846/1090546710285140018/1680073519231982.jpg

heres emminence

[lusty trench]

That's not bad tbh

[glad peak]

Esper colors is good, card advantage in command zone is good, but now to figure out if there are any knights that can generate advantage

[trail anvil]

brimaz looks pretty fun

[lusty trench]

I think brimaz and the knight are the best here?

[glad peak]

For some reason Brimaz feels like the joke mechanic baste

The knight is good but there are some caveats

[trail anvil]

at first I thought the knight eminence was underwhelming, but having that eff permanently applying sounds nuts

and a reanimator on the other hand

[glad peak]

Yeah, if knights have a card like Azra oddsmaker (for warriors/najeela), then it might be much better than I think

[lusty trench]

Bright palm has a new keyword without a definition

[glad peak]

Backup text is on the card

I’m assuming you give anything a 1/1 counter and then the ability it has until end of turn with bright palm having that ability permanently

[lusty trench]

God damn I'm stupid I thought following was a new ability but it's literally just the text on the damn card

[glad peak]

Eh it took me a couple reads to get it right

It’s kinda clever

They don’t do ability grafting too often and doing it in this way is even less common

Interesting interaction with helm of the host

Namely that you can get a counter and then triple trigger

Oh wait the eminence card is even worse than I thought, it doesn’t trigger for each knight

(Yes I know multiple triggers is strong but Raffine exists)

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945646524710942/1090560049639870474/RDT_20230329_1055554162992156726239475.jpg?width=611&height=662

ergamon is a really deep cut reference

[lusty trench]

yo invasion of ikoria seems good

Library and grave green suns zenith for 1 mana more plus it flips

[trail anvil]

ixalan already looks like a great consistency piece

also holy shit all the reveals

https://i.redd.it/mom-new-set-mechanism-backup-cards-v0-wvzqiuhg9nqa1.png?s=24aacd7613f7a6560b1480b809b9fdedac7af7c6

https://i.redd.it/mom-merciless-repurposing-v0-q3ea3ikcanqa1.png?s=a6178f6fe84613180e9385c4ad6081187381bbf9

invasion of ergamon looks really nice for jund

[lusty trench]

Invasion of new phyrexia flips into something that isn't a creature, gonna get jumpscared by a sorcery

[glad peak]

Or maybe

Another battle

[trail anvil]

extra turn spell time

[glad peak]

Boon bringer Valkyrie is just solid

Very very solid

[trail anvil]

is it? only for one turn gives me the impression it's not super amazing, but maybe the leftover body is enough reason to play it

more reveals on the forbes article, idk if there's a better quality version of this one unfortunately

[glad peak]

It can give the counter to itself too

Then it’s an above rate baneslayer

[hidden ermine]

Do we have the flipsides?

[twilit canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805846945947320320/1090552461472845896/20230329_102548.jpg

[fallow citrus]

oh that emry tho

[fallow citrus]

really like sidar and bright-palm personally

also wtf is incubate

[atomic harness]

That's an interesting emry

[fallow citrus]

invasaion of ergamon, ikoria and NP seem to be pretty decent

if ikoria has a good flip it's a really decent finale type effect

[atomic harness]

The Sibling Conflict lands

[rigid scarab]

Invadion of Ikoria is just another Finale of Devastation?

Also idk about the eminence knight

Would have preferred no eminence at all but

[glad peak]

It seems pretty weak even with eminence

[lusty trench]

zada is now a pauper edh commander

...ignore me he was printed as uncommon in masters 25

[glad peak]

I think pauper edh uses uncommons for commander

[lusty trench]

Yeah they do, they're uncommon here as well, I was just unaware that they had a prior uncommon printing

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/125jd58/mom_wedge_pairings_via_mtga_mastery_pass/

[lusty trench]

Kari Zev

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

[golden plover]

I don't get the point of the incubator tokens. That's what they changed the flips rules for tokens for?

[golden plover]

Also, Invasion of New Phyrexia probably flips to Teferi

https://preview.redd.it/v7vydt5cypqa1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=e8563ffed87449bea9e3ec9b56e68afb44cc5f5d

[sudden lava]

wait so this gives another creature "Whenever this creature attacks ..."?

interesting

You could use this with like hydras

😮 I like the Etali

[golden plover]

Oh he's the "11 poison counters" card

[sudden lava]

costs 16 mana to get to the infect side

but at least the first side lets you get some free spells off people

[sudden lava]

yup

[fallow citrus]

wow, correct!

[golden plover]

Wow that's a really medium teferi

[fallow citrus]

oh this sword is like

good

[golden plover]

Oh yeah that's a good sword

[sudden lava]

Etali got such a glow up, look how bad its original version was

https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a03fb3a7-3ef6-4162-aad2-82610492aa72.jpg?1675182771

1 more mana and you get the same effect on ETB and trample for when it does attack (and access to green for commander purposes)

[golden plover]

These effects feel super unrelated?

[copper pecan]

???

etali is good in edh

[golden plover]

That's negate? What?

[sudden lava]

yes but new Etali is better, old Etali had to live the other players turn before going off, this one does it on ETB

unless Im missing something?

[twilit canyon]

primal storm being able to do it on attack makes the difference

extra combats is a red thing

flickers dont exist in gruul

[rigid scarab]

Did-

Did Dinos just get Dinosaur Blightsteel

Also new Etali goes insane if you get it off of Gishath

[twilit canyon]

this feels like dogshit

day9 spoiler

[lusty trench]

Wow so the ikoria battle is like

good good

[sudden lava]

I guess, but you could always just use regular Etali in the 99 and use New Etali as your commander for access to green ramp

[sudden lava]

yes and it's flipping beautiful

[twilit canyon]

regular etali is only good in the command zone

u want constant access to it

[zinc shard]

https://youtu.be/1CvkMPoUNaA

[twilit canyon]

and red's ramp is insane

u dont need it

[sudden lava]

Note I am very casual (I still dont even have a deck of my own 😅, I still need to make my first commander deck)

[twilit canyon]

stoke the flames is actually solid??

[lusty trench]

Realmbreaker is good in casual edh

But it's mill in casual edh so you will get hated

[rigid scarab]

Wait

Gishath in EDH is getting the goods

New Etali has an insane ETB

Ikoria battle gets you a dinosaur

And the transformed card is not only a dinosaur

[sudden lava]

I forgot, what was that other phrexian dinosaur? The green one with toxic (4?)

[rigid scarab]

But lets your Gishath get full damage

[rigid scarab]

Tyrranax Rex

[sudden lava]

yup that one

[lusty trench]

Honestly the more I look at it the more I love the ikoria battle

[rigid scarab]

Its just another finale of devastation

[twilit canyon]

and weaker

with a mediocre creature on the back

[sudden lava]

My first commander deck may be Gruul dinos

[rigid scarab]

I find it funny how

The ultiamte defeat of Elesh Norn

Is printed on a COMMON

[sudden lava]

[twilit canyon]

interesting

reads as a 5 mana 4 damage spell that draws a card from the top 3 and then can choose to go back to your hand or stay in play with flying

[golden plover]

I like how Marchessa gives you psuedo-monarch

[twilit canyon]

oh

fuck

[lusty trench]

[twilit canyon]

i will be playing 4x this and oracle of the alpha in historic

literally vintage

[rigid scarab]

$23

My prediction

[golden plover]

Damn I was hoping that art wouldn't have been their creature spell. Looks kinda off tbh

[lusty trench]

HES BACK

[sudden lava]

THE SHARK

[twilit canyon]

invasion of tarkir is pretty solid with a density of dragons

[twilit canyon]

also baral and kari zev are really strong

[sudden lava]

thats the shark the teaser blurb teased

[lusty trench]

Yo grafted butcher kinda good

Lord that can revive?

[golden plover]

Elspeth base art

[twilit canyon]

why was it obscured again?

[sudden lava]

Etali get em (joke)

[rigid scarab]

Etali. Kill them.

[sudden lava]

flavor text is from Carnage tyrant, but yeah deploy the giant implacable death lizard!

[zinc shard]

"Never thought I'd fight side by side with a faerie"
"What about side by side with a friend?"
"Aye, I can do that"

[sudden lava]

this art is so cool

just saw them explain battles, yeah that's got some commander politics to it 😄

[strong quartz]

Marchesa works with removing counters on battles

[trail anvil]

[[glissa sunslayer]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer

Glissa Sunslayer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Zombie Elf
First strike, deathtouch
Whenever Glissa Sunslayer deals combat damage to a player, choose one —
• You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Remove up to three counters from target permanent.
3/3

[trail anvil]

tfw not player or battle oof

I want to 1 shot some battles

[golden plover]

God that flavor text is sick

[hidden ermine]

This seems like an incredibly mid battle?

[golden plover]

Yeah, it's cool it turns into Serra Angel tho

[strong quartz]

are battles not a permanent type?

[lusty trench]

They meant they cant attack a battle and remove counters from it

[trail anvil]

yes but you can't trigger her ability by swinging at a battle

[strong quartz]

kiki at home

[zinc shard]

First ability is nice, second one's a bait

[twilit canyon]

no haste, sorcery speed

[atomic harness]

dollar tree kiki

[twilit canyon]

they keep making worse fable of the mirror breaker every other set

[atomic harness]

so true kid

they knew it was too good

[twilit canyon]

this battle kinda nice

simple but effective

[atomic harness]

whens the next rotation again

[atomic harness]

I was thinking that could be the stand in for wed announcement once that goes away

[sudden lava]

wait, that's right we getting strixhaven based cards in this to (the lorehold guy and now Interdisciplinary mascot)

[trail anvil]

knowing the story before all this kinda makes the reveals a bit less impactful I feel like

[strong quartz]

Goofy ass box

[fallow citrus]

man

[trail anvil]

also I feel like the transform effect is a lot less necessary when the transformation only takes 2 mana

[fallow citrus]

they really missed

[strong quartz]

I guess Nahiri healed??

[trail anvil]

wtf is this

[strong quartz]

and Nissa looks normal now

[fallow citrus]

well Nissan got purified so I guess she's back to normal physically too?

[strong quartz]

Ajani still has the metal in him

[fallow citrus]

even though it shouldn't work like that

also what's my guy karn doin over there

join in

[trail anvil]

was melira not able to get everything

[strong quartz]

he took Teferi's spark

[twilit canyon]

karn's spark right

[fallow citrus]

just watched that cinematic and uh

[twilit canyon]

or vensers

[fallow citrus]

can we just never see norn from behind ever again please

although i guess that won't be a concern going into the future

[strong quartz]

Karn never had a spark

He was just borrowing someone else's

[twilit canyon]

yeah vensers in this case

[strong quartz]

Venser's spark is gone?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[fallow citrus]

yeah karn used it to make nissan and ajani better

[twilit canyon]

jeg

[sudden lava]

Elesh Norn also transforms them all

[fallow citrus]

yoo jeggy

[trail anvil]

I mean sure, if you pull her in limited I don't see what that has to do with anything tho

[twilit canyon]

shes also net total 7 mana to flip them

i could go out to a busy restaurant and get dinner before that happens

i believe these are jumpstart mom card

also

phyrexian pegasus

phyrexian pegasus

phyrexian pegasus

[trail anvil]

wait does kumano trigger axgard monka

[twilit canyon]

yes

[fallow citrus]

great synergy with all the backup cards

[trail anvil]

shit I feel like that could see constructed play

[golden plover]

So look like Nahiri is healed?

[golden plover]

This box is ugly as hell

[twilit canyon]

yet another world-ending threat that thalia clears

[golden plover]

HOLY SHIT

This is actually worse than before

How did they make this frame WORSE

[copper pecan]

i think it's better than before

it's a lot more readable this time since it doesn't have the random hieroglyphics

[golden plover]

It's a lot more readable, but it's so much more jarring

The fonts just look bad

Looks like a shitty proxy

[twilit canyon]

i like it way better

being able to actually read the card is big

[golden plover]

Honestly I think it's the frame's fault and they should have just found a different frame for Amonkhet

It's way more legible, but god it looks bad

[sudden lava]

wait do we have any alt arts for the new Etali?

[rigid scarab]

I kinda liked the hieroglyphics

We're not bashing cards that use phyrexian language, do we

[golden plover]

The hieroglyphics were awful to read but they at least gave it the "showcase" style

This just looks bad

[fallow citrus]

god this art fucks

[hidden ermine]

It lost style for readability

But if I want readability there are better frames than that

[golden plover]

It already had no style lmao

[twilit canyon]

yes but that is the amonkhet frame

[hidden ermine]

I really think the text needed stylisation still

[golden plover]

They should just redo the Amonkhet frame and pretend the first one never happened

[hidden ermine]

Not Amonkhets

But some kinda stylisation

[golden plover]

Yeah, if nothing else, a different font/color

[twilit canyon]

i believe the magic community would complain if that happened

even if they hated the frame

[hidden ermine]

Also why does this genuinely look like a 90s Marvel cover wtf

[golden plover]

Why didn't they at least use the Amonkhet mana symbols tho

[dense berry]

what wouldnt the mtg community complain about

[golden plover]

The Amonkhet mana symbols were perfectly legible and also didn't look stupid as fuck on the frame lmao

[twilit canyon]

cus its a reference

to an x-men comic cover

[rigid scarab]

And yeah ngl this DOES look like garbage

[twilit canyon]

it could have been worse

[hidden ermine]

Uh, is it?

I assume you mean the one that became a stage in MvC3

[dense berry]

you know what needs to come back

[lusty trench]

It's whatever to me, so long as I can read it it's whatever

[hidden ermine]

But that cover doesnt have a big red cross

[dense berry]

timeshifted border from planar chaos

[golden plover]

Like if nothing else, these mana symbols are perfectly fine

[golden plover]

The cross actually looks so bad too

Why the fuck didn't they center

[twilit canyon]

yes

[copper pecan]

this just looks terrible

[golden plover]

It looks like a first year graphic designer project

[hidden ermine]

I mean I dont think it looks bad tbh

[golden plover]

And I would know, I've been a first year graphic designer

[rigid scarab]

To me, showcases are just like FNM promos and judge promos

[hidden ermine]

... some parts do

I just find it weird how dissonant it is

[rigid scarab]

No one's complaining about Phyrexian language cards or fullarts being illegible

[fallow citrus]

best border is the future sight one :)

[golden plover]

It's bad, but it fits the theme way more

[twilit canyon]

they are legible though

[golden plover]

Losing out on the themeing makes the card look WAY worse

[twilit canyon]

people have translated and put a lot of effort into reading phyrexian

its unspeakable since it requires some noises intended for machines or mechanical parts

[hidden ermine]

I wager reading the Phyrexian cards takes longer and is harder than reading the Amonkhet arts

[rigid scarab]

Tell me how an MTG noob would be able to discern the effect of this Bolt

[twilit canyon]

big hand in sky kill small dragon

[golden plover]

Yeah at least the Amonkhet cards are in a real language

[hidden ermine]

I dont think we had full arts in a while for a reason

[twilit canyon]

that too

[golden plover]

But you're forgetting... Omnath

[hidden ermine]

Omnath?

[twilit canyon]

yes

[rigid scarab]

It's not like MTG is fully into making all of their cards super easy to read

[hidden ermine]

.... they did a full art of Omnath?

[twilit canyon]

4c omnath was printed with a full-art

[rigid scarab]

Look at the movie poster secret lairs

[hidden ermine]

Nvm

[golden plover]

Honestly the dumbest full art they've ever done tbh

[fallow citrus]

full art cryptic command is still as dumb imo

[hidden ermine]

All reasons to not use the original Amonkhet style are gone

Wtf

[golden plover]

Yeah cryptic command is bad too

[hidden ermine]

Like the original Amonkhet style wasnt readable

[twilit canyon]

well simple

[hidden ermine]

But it was cool

[golden plover]

I at least sorta remember most of cryptic command

[twilit canyon]

this omnath is not widely available

[golden plover]

I don't remember the order of the Omnath triggers at all

[twilit canyon]

cus u dont play modern

[fallow citrus]

idm full arts existing especially as promos like that

[twilit canyon]

etb draw

[golden plover]

I mean, I've played against him in EDH and pioneer too

[hidden ermine]

Full arts like these are primarily problems for new players in the first place

[rigid scarab]

I highly doubt that anyone on planet earth wouldn't be able to play a magic card because they couldn't decipher its effect

[twilit canyon]

landfall 1, gain 4, landfall 2, add non-black, landfall 3, ping 4 to every opponent and walker

[golden plover]

He's just a card I've gotta always read to remember trigger orders

[twilit canyon]

i meant that it genuinely is not widely distributed like a standard set

hes a promo card

[dense berry]

i remember all of cryptics modes

[twilit canyon]

my previous comment stands

these cards arent widely distributed

[dense berry]

ive used my textless cryptic for decades tho

[sudden lava]

I really like how these battles work

[golden plover]

Also as for the Amonkhet cards, they're a lot more legible in person

[twilit canyon]

disagree

[golden plover]

I've seen wrath and a few others here and there

They're not that bad in person

It's mostly a scanning issue

[twilit canyon]

my sister used to use 4x amonkhet fow in her legacy deck

fucking shit was unreadable

[rigid scarab]

And even if they just absolutely had to make the font easily readable

At least redo the frame

To make it not look like garbage

[sudden lava]

we're gonna get an invasion of Arcavios right?

[golden plover]

They already came up with 3 new frames. They might as well have pretended Amonkhet didn't get one and just make a new frame

[dense berry]

why do you need to read force of will

amonkhet invocations do suck tho

[golden plover]

They suck, but I'd rather have them fully committed tbh

Because this just looks worse

Like at least make all the text brown and use the Amonkhet mana symbols

[twilit canyon]

just to remember the card text

and i was new to magic at the time

[zinc shard]

Me and the boys on our way to kill Elesh Norn (2 of us will become Compleated)

[hidden ermine]

Wrong order, this is the aftermath

Though I wonder if this is gonna be a fakeout

[zinc shard]

oops

ignore that last part

[fallow citrus]

yeah one's bolas one's emrakul and one is elesh norn's decapitated head

[dense berry]

wow this is everything wrong with modern mtg art

this makes me feel nothing

[golden plover]

How the fuck did Nissa not get any mechanical stuff

And Nahiri was just back to normal off screen?

[rigid scarab]

What did you think they were gonna do

Permanently kill off poster children?

[dense berry]

story can no longer be kept up with by just looking at the cards

[trail anvil]

you can leave them with scars at least

[twilit canyon]

i hope this is just a clean still to avoid spoilers

[trail anvil]

many stories keep their poster children alive, just with some permanent injury

[twilit canyon]

jace was the poster child

now its chandra

idk what either of these 3 are cooking

[golden plover]

If they're already showing it, it's what's going to LGSes for order. That's the real art

[trail anvil]

I thought it was teferi for a bit

[golden plover]

Although notably the MOM key art also never happened

[trail anvil]

but if he lost his spark then they're probably putting him on the back burner for now

[twilit canyon]

no yes what i mean is

[rigid scarab]

It's been Chandra for a WHILE

[twilit canyon]

that they do so to avoid spoiling what happens to the 2

[golden plover]

Neither of these have happened