Magic the Gathering

[twilit canyon]

in historic at least

tyvar is better in modern in devoted druid

actually semi-carries the deck

[fallow citrus]

looting 🥜

[twilit canyon]

looting... again

oh wait but this time at a common

anyone who held off crafting looting has saved 4 rare wcs

oh and this legalizes looting for arena pauper

[dense berry]

man the wildcard system is so predatory

[twilit canyon]

they have gotten way better at giving u more of them but it actually makes rarity bumps/decreases a lot worse of a feeling

that said

i would like it if the archive version automatically unlocks if you craft the common looting as an alt-art option

maybe it costs like 5k gold or whatnot

but ik this is not gonna be the case

[golden plover]

Oh is that bad flavor text looting

Oh wait that's grudge

Wack they charged 4 rare wcs for looting and then rolled it out common a year and a half later

Now when they ban it they only have to reimburse the common wcs

[twilit canyon]

its been like 2 years

since they put looting on arena

also

idt looting gets banned from historic

card is doing a ton of nothing

even phoenix is unsure on playing 4 copies

[golden plover]

Fuck I love this art but it's a single con exclusive

Also, incredibly hard to read these cards

This one is also cool as hell, but impossible to read easily

[fallow citrus]

they both are tbh

[golden plover]

Yeah these are cool, but they do not work as game pieces at all

Especially this Yisan

The Phage is fine, everything is in the right spots

But the rest are straight up impossible to read at a glance

[copper pecan]

ngl i kinda hate all of these

like, functionality is important

[lusty trench]

I'm gonna be honest, I think these cards are an eyesore, like it feels so packed and my brain doesn't know where to look

[golden plover]

Yeah that's my issue too

They're too hard to read

They're cool, but they're awful to read

They're also only foil etched

[lusty trench]

I like the poster style, I see what they were going for but like just look at where yisans mana cost is

[golden plover]

Look at Sen Triplets

Why is the mana cost where it is

Why is it "Legendary Artifact" and "Creature Human Wizard"

[dense berry]

the sen triplets one would be cool with less text

i hate all the other ones

well i like the phage the more i look at it

it works

[golden plover]

The Phage works. Everything is in the right spot and is easy to read

If all the others had the same layout, they'd be great

But the other three are actually so hard to read

[atomic harness]

@twilit canyon friends are saying they're just going to not play into magical fish since a lot of us are using it now
that's still in favor of the fish user right

theyre gimping plays just to deny the draw

[twilit canyon]

not gonna play into it meaning they just wont cast spells into it?

yeah thats broken good

[atomic harness]

yeah they said "well I'll just play land or creatures then"

[twilit canyon]

they are taking entire turns off

[atomic harness]

pog I love magical fish

also do you know why phyrexian fleshgorger randomly has value

all the shops here are selling it for a lot

[glad peak]

Fish being good and causing people to take turns off is like maxx c

But yeah don’t feed into it unless you can kill

[twilit canyon]

fleshgorger?

standard

its fat

[trail anvil]

LOL

[twilit canyon]

yoink

[trail anvil]

I got 1 and a half kills on my opponent with 15 poison counters

[trail anvil]

also jace in azorius control ❤️

[rigid scarab]

OK it just recently came to my clarity how dogshit the F2P system in Arena is

Holy

Play in 3 Drafts with average results to get 1 Rare playset

[glad peak]

I bolted someone 6 times in the murktide mirror, breach only accounting for 3

[fallow citrus]

I found skipper as a deck lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Z6DUWafxc

[atomic harness]

[dense berry]

yeah i wouldn't pay to play the game so i just dont play the game

[clever sun]

@fallow citrus you wanted to play an Ensoul list right?

[fallow citrus]

yeah if ensoul is like one of the good ways to play artifacts in historic I'm down to play it

[clever sun]

It is a great way to play Artifacts in Historic

I think Azorius is better for Ensoul because of Metatect

Drawing you intetaction or more gas very easily

[fallow citrus]

I shall collect wildcards and slap this together then

[clever sun]

This build can also shift into non-Lurrus Affinity

[fallow citrus]

I loved the idea of an ensoul deck since I saw a spike video on an ensoul/waterdeep deck

[clever sun]

with Thought Monitor and Nettlecyst

[fallow citrus]

oh nice

[clever sun]

The core cards are very samey

[fallow citrus]

makes sense

[clever sun]

You swap out Ensoul, Metatect, Skrelv (maybe), and add Monitor, Nettlecycst, and a few more Springleaf Drums

The mana base is the same

maybe you want some Blinkmoth Nexus

[fallow citrus]

feel like that's a card you could get away with just not adding

[clever sun]

You can skip Blinkmoth

Here

My list

Seven Thopters total

Retrofitter Foundry is a lot more powerful here

I am undecided on Skrelv

[fallow citrus]

skrelv is a card of all time

affinity giver of runes isn't too bad

well counts towards affinity I should say

[clever sun]

Yeah the question for Skrelv is what goes?

[fallow citrus]

nothing unfortunately

it's good but not so good it's going to replace anything in that list

[clever sun]

Exactly

Maybe you drop some Barbed Spikes

Maybe you go to 20 lands

Or 21 lands, 3 Springleaf, 2 Barbs

But it is tough

[fallow citrus]

[[barbed spikes]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/5/barbed-spike

Barbed Spike <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
When Barbed Spike enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying, then attach Barbed Spike to it.
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip

[fallow citrus]

I think it's just a case of if you think you can cut 2 inkmoth for 2 skrelv

but I think the lands are just better to have

[clever sun]

Maybe but going so low on lands can be rough

I'm not Jeskai so I can't create a Mox Opal

[fallow citrus]

..how does one create a mox opal

[clever sun]

[[Quicksilver Lapidan]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/yone/26/quicksilver-lapidary

Quicksilver Lapidary <:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Phyrexian Artificer
When Quicksilver Lapidary enters the battlefield, conjure a card named Mox Opal into your hand.
1/1

[clever sun]

An incredibly powerful card

[fallow citrus]

oh wow

[clever sun]

Two mana draw Mopal

[fallow citrus]

insane

[clever sun]

It goes infinite with Displacer Kitten

And creates infinite mana and fodder for Underworld Breach

it has pushed Izzet Artifact builds

Both combo and fair

And Jeskai

Though I am not a believer yet

[fallow citrus]

is there anywhere good to find historic lists?

goldfish seems a little dead and mtgtop8 isn't much better

[clever sun]

MTGA Zone has some

Goldfish broke

[fallow citrus]

hmm okay

[clever sun]

A lot of Historic lists has gone the way of local discords and /r/MtGHistoric

[fallow citrus]

unfortunate

[clever sun]

It is

[fallow citrus]

I'll peep the reddit at least

[clever sun]

But it makes sense

There are very few Historic tournaments happening

And they have recently announced that all future Arena Opens will be Draft/Sealed only with exceptions

[fallow citrus]

that uh

is a decision

[clever sun]

It makes sense

It basically invites everyone

[fallow citrus]

yeah that's true

[clever sun]

They don't need the Opens to require you to have a deck or know a meta

Anyone can participate

[fallow citrus]

didn't really think of it like that tbh

just used to events that give you invites to just be constructed at the very least

[clever sun]

Yeah but in Magic, Limited is a legitimate competitive event and formats

[fallow citrus]

true, I guess not being in deep with magic means that just sort of is forgotten for me

[zinc shard]

So has all of Inistrad Remastered been revealed?

[twilit canyon]

dont think so

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus @clever sun

besper sentinel + magical fish should be good enough

[clever sun]

[atomic harness]

sentinel is a prime target to equip with say cranial or nettlecyst right , guaranteed draws sound nice

[twilit canyon]

yea thats the basis to modern hammer

part of it anyways

it can guarantee u draw cards by making sentinel fat

[atomic harness]

sick

[clever sun]

Yeah Misty got it

[twilit canyon]

jund gaming

this deck feels insane ngl

yet another amazing historic deck

crucias is approaching the threshold of me getting the full art for it soon

cus its going into so many decks for me rn

also

prosper is a house in historic

he gets around sheoldred tax and makes a ton of mana

and he blocks really well

[clever sun]

Misty and I have talked

and there is but one conclusion

The core to all RBx Midrange lists in Historic is Crucias, Seasoned Pyro, and Fable of the Mirror Breaker

The rest are your for funsies cards

Harvester is optimal in-slot for two mana with Fable

Snapcaster will slot in to this archetype extremely well for Grixis

Probably over Corpse Appraiser?

4 Harvesters, 3 Snapcaster, 2 Bolas, 3 Crucias, 3 Pyromancers, 1 Appraiser, 1 Prosper sounds fine

I thought about Saiba Syphoner since Crucias can in theory always loop to find them

But Snap always being a two drop matters

Mardu probably does Reanimator or Greasefang better

But the core is the same

Crucias

Fable

Seasoned Pyro

[twilit canyon]

actually such a powerful combination of cards

all at 3 mana

u pick ur synergies with them

jund is doing goyf to have a fatty

and crucias and jarsyl work together to give "flashback" to all your spells discarded so can be more reckless

as u said mardu def does vehicles

[clever sun]

Mhmm

Or Reanimator

[twilit canyon]

ye

ye

same deal

[clever sun]

I wanted to give Jund a shot but I realize this core of cards can make my favorite unplayable Grixis cards playable

[twilit canyon]

yea i have been using ancient grudge now in the side in jund cus of crucias synergy

it gets unstuck in hand

fwiw tho

i think jund is better than grixis

sorry lol

[clever sun]

Nah

It most definitely is better

[twilit canyon]

yea just like

minsc and boo

literally too good

and can guarantee draw it off 4 drops and u can target find those 4 drops with crucias

basically guarantees them

[clever sun]

Mhm

Getting to guarantee grab Ravager and Dragon-God makes a lot of powerful turns

But Minsc and Boo are Legacy staple walkers for a reason

Ironically

The "nerf" to them makes them better

Since they can be found guaranteed in this archetype without giving things up

You don't lose Sheoldred

or ToD

Or Prosper

If you wanted to, you could play Citystalker too

[twilit canyon]

i thought about citystalker

cus i like locking ppl out of their deck when they are hellbent

i decided against it

cus id have to cut prosper and/or chandra

and i think prosper wins in long games

[clever sun]

Hmm

Yeah fair

That is how you sold Prosper to me anyhow besides well

It's Prosper

Either way, we are cooking in Historic right now

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

is it time

is this where we decide to become content creators for magic

and singlehandedly revive the online scene for historic?

[clever sun]

lmao I wish but I have no time

[twilit canyon]

tbf neither do i but

1 can hope

[clever sun]

Yeah was gonna say

Either way I like brewing

So with our powers combined

We can create some truly evil decklists

OH we should look at the Neoform combo deck

[twilit canyon]

?

which one

the [[sea-gate stormcaller]] deck?

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/77/sea-gate-stormcaller

Sea Gate Stormcaller <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Kicker
When Sea Gate Stormcaller enters the battlefield, copy the next instant or sorcery spell with mana value 2 or less you cast this turn when you cast it. If Sea Gate Stormcaller was kicked, copy that spell twice instead. You may choose new targets for the copies.
2/1

[clever sun]

YEP

I bet we can find a way to make it more consistent and playable

[twilit canyon]

hm

jarsyl is a card

expressive iteration

hm

[clever sun]

I don't think we need to go to Jarsyl

[sudden lava]

[clever sun]

But in theory we can find a good flow to the deck itself

Here let me like

Brew up a "stock" list

[twilit canyon]

kk

im trying to see wym by further optimizing it tho

cus i think last i saw the deck

it was pretty done

besides the mana base

oh ig we now have 8 elves

hm

[clever sun]

Among other things

This is a baseline

Divided by ramp, combo, payoffs, interaction and card selection

Side is a bit of a mess but you get the idea

Some cards are for consideration for the main

Some are just throwaways

[[Keldon Strike Team]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/136/keldon-strike-team

Keldon Strike Team <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Warrior
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
When Keldon Strike Team enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, create two 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens.
As long as Keldon Strike Team entered the battlefield this turn, creatures you control have haste.
3/1

[clever sun]

Actually can work as an additional three damage and also lords haste to the board

[twilit canyon]

oh shit i totally forgot this card was created

ur actually right huh

this deck can be iterated upon still

[clever sun]

Yea exactly

I don't think SoI or some additions otherwise to Historic will be impacting it much

Snapcaster doesn't cut it for example

So it makes sense to see how far this archetype can be carried

Might need more counters in the side and such

[twilit canyon]

perhaps

fire prophecy tho

idk

i feel like that has to be in the main somewhere

remove a blocker and send back a clone

[clever sun]

Maybe

It might be worth it over Expressive for example

At the cost of reducing the ability to more consistently find the combo

But see what I mean? There is things to actually experiment and try here

I gotta sleep soon but give it a shot

See how it goes

[twilit canyon]

hm

i basically have this deck anyhow

missing nothing iirc

if all pieces etb and get to hit twice thats 62 total damage

possible on t3

hm

ill be cooking

[clever sun]

[twilit canyon]

[atomic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDTI4Fzrn7o

[sudden lava]

As bad as deep fakes can get, these AI gaming memes are pretty funny

OH OF COURSE THAT'S DONALD'S COMMANDER

its literally blue, red, white

[atomic harness]

Wall tribal

[copper pecan]

yeah i remember when that card got revealed people were like "wow it's really unfortunate that they made a red white and blue wall that makes you choose between right and left"

also unrelated but are there any ways for mono-black to repeatedly untap creatures

[dense berry]

[[umbra mantle]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/shm/267/umbral-mantle

Umbral Mantle <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ", : This creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn." ( is the untap symbol.)
Equip
It harnesses the power of night in a land where daylight fears to show itself.

[copper pecan]

[sudden lava]

I kinda wanna make a D&D themed commander deck, something blue (Mono or two color) using mostly cards from D&D based sets (with some exceptions for stuff like sol ring)

so strixhaven (Im counting it because of the D&D adventure), battle for balders gate, and adventures in the forgotten realms

[fallow citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uJBOSN5XQ

so cool this is being highlighted

[lusty trench]

Looks very battle card to me

[copper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507388259165536263/1083452539627913286/8lqxo0an2oma1.png?width=475&height=662

i hate that i can read what this says

[rigid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTsMQiKb8jA&t=3831s&ab_channel=TheCommandZone

How worth it is a Mana Crypt

[fallow citrus]

depends on the power level you play at

[rigid scarab]

Assuming pretty much all their content is for mid-casual

Like

"If your mid-casual, these cards are not worth it if you want to upgrade"

[rigid scarab]

I disagree on Rhystic Study

[sudden lava]

anyone have suggestions for this?

[atomic harness]

@fallow citrus

[atomic harness]

esper sentinel seller had it as well

[atomic harness]

Also found scissors and friends

[fallow citrus]

pog

[atomic harness]

Edh was decent today, got a win
2 second places, 2 rough losses

[dense berry]

i finally went below 50% in pods yesterday

2 wins 3 losses

my metagame is gradually getting more teched out against me

[glad peak]

Welp turns out assemble the legion is good when a possibility storm lock is established

Love to punish those no interaction tables my friends love to play in

[sudden lava]

[fallow citrus]

this actually might be one of the best alt arts I've seen in a while

[zinc shard]

... my opponent just used Swords to Plowshares... on this. on turn 2

he then proceeded to not play any other spells and conceeded turn 5

[copper pecan]

strixhaven limited be like that sometimes

[fallow citrus]

the plans of a mono white player are beyond your comprehension

[zinc shard]

ive faced 2 Five Color decks

which i didnt think was possible for Strixhjaven

I did not win this game

[atomic harness]

[trail anvil]

hmm

[dense berry]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HoI3s2BuZUGVZX2EZb_Lbg/primer

i made a cedh primer

[trail anvil]

https://twitter.com/tcgunioncwa/status/1634386233752182784

TCGunion-CWA (@TCGunionCWA)

THIS JUST IN! Votes have been counted and.........

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Twitter · Mar 11, 2023, 2:50 AM

let's fuckin gooooo tcgplayer is unionizing confirmed

or at least that branch, idk how they operate lol

[sudden lava]

guess nobody has a suggestion then

[lusty trench]

[sleek ferry]

Wtf is that

[lusty trench]

It's toski

[sleek ferry]

No fucking way

He was indestructible though

[rigid scarab]

"This creature cannot attack"

[languid quest]

I for one shall not welcome out new squirrel overlord

[golden plover]

Looks like battle cards are dfcs

And they change the template of the card, since the dfcs symbol is in the bottom corner

[hidden ermine]

... how can you tell from that?

[golden plover]

MOM set code

Scrap in the bottom corner

[hidden ermine]

We know the setcodes for battles?

[golden plover]

We know the set code for the set

Why else would a dfc have the icon in the bottom corner and not the top

[glad peak]

We kinda already thought they were dfcs from the ad they had about battles

[sudden lava]

squirrel 😮

https://youtu.be/MU-NdmE6R2I

[copper pecan]

oh i didn't know they made baru canon

[lusty trench]

Came second in an edh two headed giant tournament

Prize pool was dog shit so... Anyone want the pinfinity lord Xander background?

[twilit canyon]

https://twitter.com/crokeyz/status/1634996931549360128?t=YH4BtRw-pSHUgSEluQa8gg&s=19

Stephen Croke (@crokeyz)

I have set the first WR of Bronze to Mythic of 10h23m23s.

72% winrate, 112 wins, 43 losses. Deck and Stats: https://t.co/Fg3xJHOGup

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Twitter · Mar 12, 2023, 7:16 PM

red deck wins

[trail anvil]

I've always wondered why strangle was considered better than that 5 damage spell

better vs soldiers and mirror?

[clever sun]

There's a 5 damage spell at one mana in Standard right now?

[trail anvil]

nah 2 mana, but I'm guessing thalia (and killing a bunch of small creatures) makes strangle way better

[trail anvil]

dude was roping like crazy this game man

idk if their house was burning or something, but they kept coming back after like 1 minute every 3 actions

[trail anvil]

man this standard is fun but so many people forget their bankbuster is holding priority

[twilit canyon]

yea causes some heavy slow play ngl

its like

"fine"

[twilit canyon]

i continued iterating upon this deck

honestly its gas

it has very clear weak match ups but when u can pop off

u pop off

https://twitter.com/PlayMTG/status/1635030118539186176?t=ufP_vZebNxvuMiH175m99A&s=19

PlayMTG (@PlayMTG)

Congratulations to Cheng Han Lin, who emerged victorious at the MIT Championship, playing a flashy Azorius Soldiers deck! 🎉

See you at the Pro Tour and the World Championship, @Ryyrryryryr! 🏆

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Twitter · Mar 12, 2023, 9:28 PM

flash soldiers

pretty spicy take

drops thalia and veteran but adds way more flash threats

[twilit canyon]

still cooking in historic

this is a take on modern's fair breach decks

but adapted to historic

[trail anvil]

ah, the classic

[lusty trench]

What do y'all think of this?

[golden plover]

It's a trap in anything remotely competitive

Reads like it's strong, but it's just a worse phyrexian arena

[lusty trench]

Oh absolutely anything like this is

[golden plover]

You can't even flicker it for invincibility

[lusty trench]

Odd that they made this not an equipment

[hidden ermine]

Its cute

But seems merely alright

[lusty trench]

But I guess it fits with other powerful magic jewelry not being equipment

[hidden ermine]

Though I think its actually better than Arena?

+1 cost sucks, but it draws more and the protection from everything comes up

[lusty trench]

All I know is this can be incredibly risky in atraxa

[golden plover]

It's better than arena exclusively in slow games

It'll probably see a lot of casual commander play

But I can't see anything legitimately wanting this

[lusty trench]

This is

Well it's something

The copy ability is nice... As is the untap

[hidden ermine]

It seems mediocre

[lusty trench]

It's err

Certainly a card

[golden plover]

It fits his lore, but it's definitely kinda just ehh

There's 2 more gandalfs that we're gonna get

[fallow citrus]

nice alt art

[twilit canyon]

sick

[lusty trench]

Wait

[twilit canyon]

i actually think gandalf will be very good in blue moon

[lusty trench]

This says put gandalf on top of its owners library

This card isnt gandalf

It's gandalf the grey

Uh oh

[fallow citrus]

don't they do that on some cards to save space

[twilit canyon]

there will be a gandalf the white yes

[lusty trench]

No I mean this doesn't bounce itself read as is

[lusty trench]

If they do I'm unaware

[twilit canyon]

yes it does

[hidden ermine]

Yeah they do that

[fallow citrus]

it will bounce any "gandalf" card

[lusty trench]

Ah I see

[hidden ermine]

Its inconsistent on this card though

Anyway, I have to say ... Im not sure how well Gandalf works flavour-wise?

[golden plover]

It's the whole "fakeout death"

[lusty trench]

Gandalf the grey leaves, comes back

Still grey

[golden plover]

Yeah, it should be a dfc to fully capture it

[hidden ermine]

Thats not the main effect that bothers me

[golden plover]

But it makes sense

[hidden ermine]

Its the "copy a spell" one

[twilit canyon]

it makes good sense

copy spell would be seen as a magic trick. dealing damage makes sense too

[hidden ermine]

Tap and untap and deal 3 directly sorta make sense (though ironically "deal 3" is a bit above what Gandalfs capabilities were usually shown as)

[golden plover]

Not really a fan of these lands tbh. I like what they're going for, but it's like the innistrad ones: Really hard to tell what's what from a glance

[hidden ermine]

But Gandalf wasn't really a guy who could just wave his hands and do whatever

[fallow citrus]

I mean I don't like them because they look lazy

[golden plover]

Like at least they're not in fully black and white, but they do just kinda seem lazy, yeah

[twilit canyon]

he is in the lore iirc

[fallow citrus]

it is just a map chopped up

[golden plover]

"oh we slapped a map on the land"

[twilit canyon]

hes just limited by his human form

[golden plover]

And it's not color coded for easy reading

[hidden ermine]

Yeah but this is his human form

[lusty trench]

I've never read or watched lotr so I'm gonna talk y'all's word on it

[golden plover]

That really sucked in the two limiteds for innistrad, it'll probably suck here too

[twilit canyon]

doesnt mean hes not all-powerful

[golden plover]

"Does my opponent have an untapped swamp and two islands or an untapped island and two swamps"

[hidden ermine]

He's not all-powerful, but he is like

Essentially an archangel?

But not in his human form, which this is representing

[twilit canyon]

iirc he is almost all-powerful or near so

[twilit canyon]

look at the border

[golden plover]

I mean you can look at the border, but you could for the innistrad ones too

Small splash of color is hard to tell from across the table

[twilit canyon]

innistrad had harder borders to see

those were nearly entirely b&w

[golden plover]

I just wish they had added some more color to the maps themselves so you're not just having to glance and see

They had the outline be their color and the mana symbol in the bottom middle

These are slightly less hard to read at a glance, but still a bit annoying

[lusty trench]

My partner sold their double feature lands for like £25

Good riddance they're ugly

[hidden ermine]

Probably not, even the Valar weren't all-powerful, whatever the name for the god equivalent in LotR was

[copper pecan]

surprised that gandalf isn't a planeswalker

but also wow that card is mid

they really weren't kidding about keeping the power level low

[golden plover]

He's got two more cards. One probably will

[copper pecan]

oh okay

[lusty trench]

I honestly don't know if they will make them a planeswalker

Even DND reserved the planes walker status to those that are either stupidly strong, like "could use magic to planeswalk if they wanted to" strong

Except minsc and boo

Idk what they decided there

[fallow citrus]

gandalf the white would probably be the walker

[lusty trench]

Just found out you can loop two rings with emry

So that's something

[twilit canyon]

how are u untapping emry and the mana needed to cast each ring each time

[lusty trench]

You wait till next turn

You get protection from everything every turn that way

And draw 3 lose 3 a turn

The obvious downside to it is they could just... Kill emry

[glad peak]

Draw 3 lose 3 a turn for 4 mana each is pretty bad ngl

Even if you have protection from everything

[lusty trench]

Its not great but I think this is the best that can be done without already making an engine that would be better doing anything else?

[fallow citrus]

unless we're talking edh I'm sure there are better artifacts we can be using emry for

[golden plover]

Even in EDH, you can loop better stuff

Hell, just cracking a mind stone every other turn is probably better

[sudden lava]

I like this

[sudden lava]

Arena requires black mana, and lacks protection though, and this is faster.

[golden plover]

Arena is 1 mana cheaper and doesn't hurt as much every turn

Sure you're sometimes drawing 4 or whatever with this out, but it's coming down t4

It realistically doesn't matter by the time it's on the field

And Arena is already a bad card

[sudden lava]

can be used in more then black decks though, Im thinking about this in commander

[twilit canyon]

what deck cares about phyrexian arena that doesnt has better options

note: phyrexian arena is not playable in any format

[lusty trench]

In games of commander where the power level of cards is so low that arena and BMC and the ring are viable I'd actually probably prefer the life

[twilit canyon]

commander is the most powerful magic format besides vintage

[lusty trench]

Sorry bad formatting, I didn't mean to say commander doesn't have high power levels

I meant like

[twilit canyon]

[[necropotence]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/98/necropotence

Necropotence <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
Whenever you discard a card, exile that card from your graveyard.
Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step.

[lusty trench]

Just playing Vs than precons or less than that

[twilit canyon]

precons vs precons are not running the one ring

[golden plover]

The ring is really only good if you're lasting like 3-4 turns after playing it

[twilit canyon]

its not

[golden plover]

Considering it's a 4 drop, most games of any format it'd be in would be done by that point

[twilit canyon]

its worse than necro and sylvan library

its worse than rhystic and remora

[golden plover]

It's not good at all, yeah

I'm just saying the only time it's even remotely decent is a game that's like on t8 and you played it on 4

And that's not gonna happen in modern or commander outside of modified precons

[twilit canyon]

it wont be decent then tho

is my point

cus by then necro and library have been digging much farther

[golden plover]

Yeah but modified precons rarely have either of those cards

I'm saying it's literally only gonna be decent in very low power level decks

[twilit canyon]

i have a feeling necro and library will be more affordable than the 1 ring

anyways gandalf is a 1 card combo commander

[[solve the equation]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/stx/54/solve-the-equation

Solve the Equation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Search your library for an instant or sorcery card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Zimone's brilliance drew attention from many, including the sinister mages known as the Oriq.

[twilit canyon]

copy it

get muddle the mixture and paradigm shift

muddle transmute for thoracle

gg

if you draw any of these pieces u can make the spell portion of the combo nearly uncounterable by copying it instead of solve

[fallow citrus]

initative bans really driving people crazy

[twilit canyon]

nah it was the next expected initiative card

im surprised they arent also on kemba tho

[fallow citrus]

inb4 these are battles too

[copper pecan]

nah, we know that battles have landscape oriented art and none of these have that

[dense berry]

restricted in vintage speedrunner

probably not super relevant anywhere else

[twilit canyon]

i dont think it gets restricted in vintage

it does take a fat bit of set up and i think most vintage lists would rather play forge

though this isnt bad out of the side

[sudden lava]

https://youtu.be/eU5TV7J32fs

[twilit canyon]

i already called this combo

[hidden ermine]

Wait am I missing something here

Like why do you need Gandalf here

[copper pecan]

to double the solve the equation

[hidden ermine]

Oh right duh

[trail anvil]

orzhov midrange is feeling pretty nice rn

could maybe use a farewell somewhere in here but idk

it feels like more and more people are playing around life of toshiro umezawa now so I might change that one to cut down

[twilit canyon]

i think a split of 2 emperors and 2 sheoldred is fine

[sudden lava]

These AI cards getting insane

making fun of Rudolf clearly was a mistake

[atomic harness]

simply out it before upkeep

amirite kid @twilit canyon

[twilit canyon]

huh

oh this 7 drop is fair

it sucks actually

[atomic harness]

Yee

[twilit canyon]

if its alone, it just dies

and you dont get the creature cheat

but... its a 7 drop

so...

what are you cheating in to play at that point?

[subtle sierra]

I like that the ai recognised and made it a snow permanent

[atomic harness]

I feel like you already had cheated or ramped your big boys before

or at 7

[twilit canyon]

yep

so

why run it?

[atomic harness]

how good is that ring thingie by the way kidda

not that great right

phyrexian arena at home which already isnt that good

[twilit canyon]

its like

good in exactly like 1 deck

[atomic harness]

ooo whats that

[twilit canyon]

and thats [[oswald fiddlebender]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/28/oswald-fiddlebender

Oswald Fiddlebender <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2

[twilit canyon]

and really its only good bc this deck itself is extremely slow

so

you are probs doing [[manifold key]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/319/manifold-key

Manifold Key <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, : Untap another target artifact.
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
"Finally! It was worth the price to never have to fiddle with lockpicks ever again." —Davvry Mineshadow, thief

[twilit canyon]

ring

and then using this combo to draw past your own stax

which

yea like sure any other card advantage card does the trick

the one ring gives u protection that turn at least so it can kind of help combo

[atomic harness]

the protection is the interesting part yeah

I've been getting mad draws with sentinel recently, card is insane

even when he's a 1/1 ppl dont wanna pay the 1

someone used their commander to out him then I emry'd him back

[twilit canyon]

yeah ppl not wanting to pay the 1 is killer

lol

but its annoying to

[atomic harness]

so looking at ways to fix my lands again without spending too much

are the reprinted fastlands from ONE any good? looking at seachrome and darkslick

[twilit canyon]

nope

not in commander

[atomic harness]

oh was my friend trolling me then he said I should get them. I never did because I was lazy

[twilit canyon]

yea they arent very strong

in commander

they suffer a lot

cus the fastlands are built to be in your opening hand

[atomic harness]

seeing them mid/late sounds really poopy yeah

[twilit canyon]

if you cant guarantee them

they are tap lands

[atomic harness]

do I just go like uhh underground river and morphic pool then?

black seems to be where I struggle with. I dont use it for much but I need it if I wanna cast my commander

esp since I wanna poop him out by turn 4

[sudden lava]

by your upkeep depending on the board and your hand, you've have 3 others

1v1 yeah it sucks big time

[twilit canyon]

in commander it sucks big time

its a 7 drop that cheats things into play

but by then you already played out a ton of guys

so

what are you even doing with it?

if you could cheat it in

then you could have cheated something else in that you actually wanted to cheat in

[sudden lava]

yeah, its not that good unlike

this
edit: Im proving the yugioh community cant read trope right, didnt see the below white card says YOU

oh wait

"you cast"

DUMB

[twilit canyon]

it auto-counters your entire hand?

[sudden lava]

I just saw the word you, nvm this card sucks even worst then the green one

ai cards are wack

now for the other side of the coin, midnight axe is STUPID good.

if an AI didnt make it, I would blame duelingbook custom makers for this thing's design.

[sudden lava]

wait, nah the dread djinn rudolf has an use. You just have to use an instant while something else is on the stack

Like lets say they cast oh idk a board wipe, you respond with your flash creature or as said an instant and then rudolph can counter their board wipe

[twilit canyon]

at which point play [[hullbreaker horror]]

[lost widget]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/724/hullbreaker-horror

Hullbreaker Horror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken Horror
Flash
This spell can't be countered.
Whenever you cast a spell, choose up to one —
• Return target spell you don't control to its owner's hand.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
7/8

[twilit canyon]

without the downsie that it auto-counters your shit

*downside

[sudden lava]

facts

[lusty trench]

Oh boy I bet this dual land won't be expensive later

[golden plover]

Surely this won't end up breaking something

Well I guess not breaking, but it's a land that can do damage for filter and board wipe

It's probably gonna get stupid expensive

[lusty trench]

It's bad

WHAT

[fallow citrus]

have we seen this one already

oh yeah ofc we have

I think the typing of God Bard is funny

[golden plover]

Yeah this just feels like it's gonna be crazy somewhere

[fallow citrus]

reprieve will be a neat card in zoo decks I think

[golden plover]

Do we know what the ring tempting you does btw?

[fallow citrus]

kind of like a different remand

I think "the ring tempting you" is just something cards like frodo keep track of

[glad peak]

It’s pretty likely temptation is a stacking life loss effect

[glad peak]

Since that’s what the ring itself does and Frodo basically increases the clock

[lusty trench]

The one ring is a promo??

[fallow citrus]

it is?

ngl I really like a lot of these alt arts

but these ones are just kinda cool

[golden plover]

At least they're alt arts, but they really went all in on the hyper limited serialized collectors booster only cards really fast

[lusty trench]

One of one

[golden plover]

Jesus Christ

[fallow citrus]

damn

[golden plover]

This feels like it should be qualified as illegal from some gambling law tbh

[golden plover]

These still look awful tbh

[fallow citrus]

I hate the UB border

[golden plover]

And knowing they're not to scale makes it way worse. Like they don't form a map or anything

Same, it worked for 40k where it was more sci-fi

But it looks super jarring here

[fallow citrus]

didn't even particularly like it on the 40k cards

here's your great henge reprint

[golden plover]

Isn't this a box topper only tho

[fallow citrus]

yeah

[golden plover]

Sad

These are cards that actually just need regular reprints

Could have thrown them in the commander decks

[golden plover]

I should proxy up a bunch of the 1/1 rings and give them out to people. That'd be funny

[golden plover]

If I can figure out the foiling, I'll try and sell them to people for like $10

Oh it's just regular foil. Yeah, this can be mocked up in like 10 minutes

[glad peak]

Huh unexpectedly sauron does… nothing

[lusty trench]

Reprieve seems like it's the strongest card revealed so far

[lusty trench]

It's a starter kit card

[golden plover]

There's gonna be like 6 variants of Sauron

[lusty trench]

We know the commander deck one is grixis

[golden plover]

Conspiracy Theory: They didn't actually print the 001/001 ring. It's more valuable to Wotc if it doesn't exist

It's realistically never gonna be found, but if it does it kills the value of the collector booster for the set

[lusty trench]

Imagine it's found day 1 lmao

What's more likely is they know the box it's in and will hold it back till they need to restock, not saying this will happen though

[glad peak]

Inb4 it’s found by a kid in target and ripped to pieces because it’s not in English and it doesn’t look real

[lusty trench]

My main fear for this is that it's going to be opened at an LGS and people will literally fight and or rob the person who open it

[golden plover]

Way I see it is it's way more likely it's either never seen or opened by a MTG influencer who got "really lucky"

I highly doubt a regular person is gonna be the one to open it

[lusty trench]

Imagine if it's in the landfill lmao

[golden plover]

Best case scenario for wotc tho is someone never reveals they have it or it outright doesn't exist because when it gets opened, the collector boosters stop selling so well

[fallow citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/11rd57w/ltr_fetchlands_will_not_be_there_in_lotr/

not like it was expected but still

[golden plover]

I still think it'd be really funny to burn a proxy of it on camera without revealing it's a fake

You could actually damage a company's bottom line that way, in exchange for all sorts of death threats

[lusty trench]

I want someone to throw it into an actual volcano

[golden plover]

Guys it's lore accurate I threw it in a bonfire

[lusty trench]

I actually like mount Doom, it's gonna be expensive just cause it's an untapped dual land tho

[golden plover]

Yeah Mt Doom is gonna be crazy pricey

Untapped dual land, can't get reprinted, and is a land that can do damage and board wipe

[copper pecan]

it can get reprinted

they can just do what they did with the secret lair cards

[golden plover]

They've said they won't for full sets

UW only applies to SL cards

[granite badge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/11rcoxm/ltr_aragorn_and_arwen_wed_starter_kit_commander/
wait why did this got locked almost immediatlly

[golden plover]

Because nerds are upset he's black

He's white in the books, but so is literally everyone

The YouTube stream got REALLY fucking racist

[twilit canyon]

real??

lmfao

[hidden ermine]

Not surprised

[granite badge]

I've never seen a single thing about Lord of the Rings so I'm very conufzzldd

[golden plover]

Movie actor and the depiction in the books is white, so people are mad he's black this time

[twilit canyon]

idt he is specifically mentioned as white in the books

idr it being the cae

[hidden ermine]

He is described as pale Im pretty sure

[golden plover]

He's mentioned as very pale, yeah

Also in the books he has blonde hair

[twilit canyon]

the actor in the movies, viggo mortensen is a white dude

[golden plover]

Tolkien made everyone white tho. So it makes sense they wouldn't do that for the set

[hidden ermine]

Regardless while I do find it a little odd that it seems only Aragon is black

[twilit canyon]

he has that jesus look

[hidden ermine]

Although I guess we havent seen anyone else from Gondor

[golden plover]

We'll probably see a few other characters who aren't white now

It's like how people got pissed that Rings of Power had black elves

When really they should be pissed at this constant stream of shitty LOTR adaptations instead

[hidden ermine]

I dont think LotR has Svartalfheim

Black elves is a little odder to me since I believe the elves are intended to be a kind of monolith, but

Representation is nice

[golden plover]

Yeah it's nice to have more characters in fantasy who aren't just white dudes

[twilit canyon]

agreed

[sudden lava]

wait so that one leak wasnt real?

rip

[hidden ermine]

And its better than having it only be the villainous humans from the east

Whose names I forgor

[sudden lava]

the god bard is funny

[trail anvil]

not loading, Reddit down?

[golden plover]

Seems to be, yeah

[lusty trench]

Galadriel is black in the commander deck art

[granite badge]

yup reddit exploded rn

just as I got to work and was browsing r/yugioh101 😔

[lusty trench]

Bruh

Why are people so racist about this shit

It literally doesn't matter

Someone on Reddit has already offered 25k for the ring

...that's not even close to what the final price on that thing is gonna be

[clever sun]

I will be buying The One Ring for over $25k

[granite badge]

I await all the salt posts on r/freemagic(not )

[clever sun]

I will cast the expensive one ring into the fires of a volcano too

I will say, The One Ring being extremely coveted is a huge flavor win

[lusty trench]

Since there're other versions of it are freely available I'm perfectly fine with it

[clever sun]

Yeah same

[lusty trench]

Just a neat gimmick to sell boxes

The borderless scene pack in the gift boxes is nice too

[golden plover]

I'm still gonna believe it doesn't actually exist until I see proof otherwise

[hidden ermine]

Wait

Is the gimmick that there is an alt art that only exists once?

[golden plover]

Yeah

They're going ALL in on serialized cards

[copper pecan]

the one ring will be the first card to be worth 1 bombadillion dollars

can't wait for nobody to open the pack it's in, and the card is never found

[hidden ermine]

Some random kid opens it and loses it when going home

[copper pecan]

that kid's name? charlie and the chocolate factory

[granite badge]

watch it be in a sealed box someone buys as a decorative piece

[golden plover]

It's way more likely it just gets thrown out or left in a warehouse forever

[copper pecan]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-image-gallery/shadows-over-innistrad-remastered-card-image-gallery?utm_campaign=MTGA---MTG-Arena-Evergreen&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=9166925686

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/654616698703314944/1085325136837746718/en_86325_Printed_ChokedEstuary.png?width=476&height=662

snarllands are now uncommon instead of rare, thank god

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1085330180135997502/en_86606_Printed_EmrakulthePromisedEnd.png?width=476&height=662

oh fuck they actually did it

[hidden ermine]

Was this the card that had problems with implementing it?

[copper pecan]

yes

i wouldn't be surprised if this card was the reason they took so long in between this and the last remaster

also,

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1085331311864066118/en_86114_Printed_ImprisonedintheMoon.png?width=476&height=662
this one's a huge shift in rarity

this was rare in the original set

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948945461597831218/1085332038531436554/en_86285_Printed_AnguishedUnmaking.png?width=476&height=662

this being at uncommon instead of rare is pretty crazy

[golden plover]

Wait does this count for pauper

I guess it's never happened before so pauper will have to decide if it counts

[copper pecan]

i don't think it would

[golden plover]

They didn't count M30 Sol Ring, so probably not tbh

[copper pecan]

there are cards that are common in mtgo but not common anywhere else and those don't count

so i'd assume this wouldn't count for paper pauper either

[golden plover]

Oh so yeah, it's probably the same here then

[copper pecan]

but probably would count for historic pauper

[golden plover]

Probably

I feel like it might unironically be miserable at common tbh

[twilit canyon]

it counts for arena pauper

but not paper pauper since paper pauper specifies physical card releases

cus mtgo promo cards are sometimes common and they would destroy pauper for some of the cards released

oh fuck

its over

sigarda's aid is now in historic

its hammer time

[fallow citrus]

[twilit canyon]

bedlam reveler

[fallow citrus]

I'm sorry azorius artifacts I didn't even craft you yet and you're already being shelved for hammer

[twilit canyon]

hammer is going to be a tier 1 archetype in historic for sure

esper sentienl

kemba's outfitter

arms dealer

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah shit there's outfitter too

[twilit canyon]

we have the cards

and for tutors

fighter class

replaces sfm

[fallow citrus]

sounds like it's closer to pioneer hammer

[twilit canyon]

lurrus is a big difference maker

and alchemy cards

of course

[fallow citrus]

oh facts

[twilit canyon]

outfitter makes it a real deck since it can replace puresteel's effect

pioneer doesnt has that

[fallow citrus]

oh yeah it makes the equip cost 1 right

you get to play normal kemba too

[twilit canyon]

yep

outfitter + dealer replicate puresteel

except that dealer will also keep drawing u more equipment

seasons pasta

yoooooo

traverse

its finally here

grim flayer too

[fallow citrus]

wonder if you would still play fireblade charger + scamp

[twilit canyon]

amalgam

finally

ohhhhhhhhhhh

spell queller

spirits got a massive buff in historic

[fallow citrus]

oh sheesh

[twilit canyon]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa arlinn

unfort though

minsc and boo exist in historic

bump in the night

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/shadows-of-the-past-card-list-and-schedule

yo wtf

[lusty trench]

Tfw you're trying to build a comprehensive strategy and then some guy launches a god damn hamster at you the size of a truck

[twilit canyon]

drogskol captain

lingering souls

theres actually a ton of sweet shadow of the past cards

i hope that when khans of tarkir remastered happens we just get fetches in historic though

just help us bridge that gap into modern

[lusty trench]

Me realising this means I can draft SoI

[twilit canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY02_LGtO-M

[lusty trench]

Oh this is nice

[sudden lava]

oooh, not my favorite sol ring alt art but that is cool

[dense berry]

affordable foils hopefully

[sudden lava]

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd7b45595bbe4068914b4da9e0becdefe5d9f2bf86edf944eec193d8f6d38a1d.png

the commander themes

Food commander oh boy

and simic elves

[twilit canyon]

im fucking cooking in this format

this deck is insanely fun

20 cantrip type effects

8 of them kill u

rahilda and agent

removal out the ass

and reach with helix and breach

and lurrus to ball

only cards im iffy on in the 75 are aether gust and rip apart

funnily enough tho

idt this is a snapcaster deck when snapcaster drops

theres just no room

maybe over an agent of raffine

and a rahilda

play 2 snap

but otherwise, this deck probs cant fit snapcaster

hm

yeah

i have convinced myself

2 snapcasters

reserved slot for them over agent and a rahilda

[golden plover]

https://i.imgur.com/c07RWg3.jpg

Here's the "connected map"

Still no clue why they didn't shoot for a collage since this really looks fucky

That one island is half the map, and then there's a bunch of overlap on random parts

[sudden lava]

Monogreen Eldrazi squirrel tribal

and since many squirrel token makers exist, you can use something like Jaheira to turn them into dorks to help get Emrakul and 15 Squirrels out

http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Jaheira-Friend-of-the-Forest-Variant-Battle-for-Baldurs-Gate-Spoiler.png

[clever sun]

You can just make infinite Squirrels

[sudden lava]

whats the combo for infinite squirrels?

[clever sun]

Earthcraft and Squirrel Nest

or Heliod, a Soul Sister, and Scurry Oak

[sudden lava]

oh damn you right

[twilit canyon]

slightly updated the side and a bit of the main

[clever sun]

This deck is really cool actually

[clever sun]

@twilit canyon are you gonna be playing Snapcaster here?

[twilit canyon]

im gonna give snappy a try

2/2 rahilda snap

but i think its better to just play 4 rahildas in the end

[clever sun]

Yeah fair

Snapcaster is so outdated 🥹

[twilit canyon]

i mean i think theres just a slight chance

if they unban bolt

but there is a rumor

that ragavan will be legal in historic

with march of the machines

so

idk

even then

i think snap just cant find its way into this deck

[copper pecan]

it's not a rumor, i'm pretty sure they confirmed ragavan is gonna be in historic

they don't want to do pre-bans anymore because people complained about it when they did it with strixhaven

[twilit canyon]

im so fucking glad

[copper pecan]

fantastic emote btw

[twilit canyon]

this deck is about to be insane

[fallow citrus]

oh shit ragavan in historic?

[twilit canyon]

i have it as a sticker too

[lusty trench]

Pogavan is aways blessed

[clever sun]

Historic is gonna be WILD

[lusty trench]

I'll delete this if it's too shit posty

[twilit canyon]

delete it cus ragavan isnt a chimpanzee

[lusty trench]

I didn't know

Joke ruined fuck

[twilit canyon]

lmao u actually deleted it

i was semi-joking

[clever sun]

If Ragavan was a chimpanzee he'd be a 5/4

Trample

Menace

[trail anvil]

izzet is gonna be so fuckin scary

[twilit canyon]

fwiw i think ragavan would be fine in historic in a same way that its fine in modern. this format has actual creature decks in it unlike legacy and ppl actively play a lot of removal spells or cause board states where ragavan cant break through just like in modern so it shouldnt be super oppressive
and most notably, we dont have daze or force of will to let us get greedy with ragavan in protecting it

copy-pasting this response i gave in another server

[atomic harness]

tell em kid

[fallow citrus]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-1-triumph-of-the-fleshless

[lusty trench]

Bro why did they make ajani so thick

[fallow citrus]

why not

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/episode-2-holding-your-breath

[atomic harness]

ajani got that dumpy

[copper pecan]

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